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What Hendry did right, what he did wrong, and what might be done to fix things

I'd like to re-consider Jim Hendry's offseason, which now is under attack.  I'll add the qualifiers up front - I'm sure it's a lot harder to be a real GM then to armchair it.  I think Hendry has been a very good GM for the Cubs overall.  No, I don't think I know more than him.

This is a long fan post, which I'll be the first to say is not a good thing.  To help in reading it, I've bolded my main points and used the indent feature to separate the review from the proposed action sections.

The following decisions were made and up for review.

1. Signing Milton Bradley to a 2 year contract with a vesting option for games played.

2. Trading Mark DeRosa to give Mike Fontenot and Aaron Miles the 2B job.

3. Trading Jason Marquis to give Sean Marshall the 5th starter job.

4. Replacing Wood, Howry, and Wuertz with Gregg, Heilman, and Patton.

5. Sticking with Fukudome.

6. Giving Hoffpauir the 1st man off the bench role; replacing Blanco with Hill; providing no backup left-side of the IF role players either for the bench or AAA team.

7. Underselling Pie, Cedeno, and Ceda to help make 1-4 happen.

Star-divide

Reviewing these decisions so far.

1. Milton Bradley has been a disappointment in terms of batting results.  His approach has not looked bad.  His fielding has been ok.  It's possible his luck has just been bad.  Here is my concern.  The contract Jim gave Milton seemed smart, protecting the Cubs on that third year in case Milton was injured too much.  But I'm beginning to fear that the very clause which protects us in 2011 is hurting us in 2009.  Milton Bradley has a 12 M dollar incentive to play hurt.  I don't think signing Bradley was the mistake.  I think the incentive clause is starting to look like a mistake.

2. Against LHP, Aaron Miles has a .908 SLG; Fontenot has a .743 OPS v. RHP; That betters DeRosa's .697/.973 R/L split.  Jim Hendry was right that Fontenot/Miles could replace DeRosa at 2B.  The problem is twofold - 1) Lou has played Miles against RHP way too often and 2) Fontenot/Miles haven't just been used at 2B.  More on that later.  First, let's talk about this decision to go with Fontenot.  He hit .305/.395/.514 last year.  How do you not give him a shot, at least in a platoon role?  And DeRosa wasn't going to sit for a platoon role after his career year.  The only move that was fair to both Mark DeRosa and Mike Fontenot was to trade DeRosa.  The problem was not in trading DeRosa; it was failing to cover his position flexibility with the rest of the bench.

3. Jason Marquis has pitched well this year.  Good for him.  Sean Marshall has pitched better.  Good for us.  Well done, Jim Hendry.

4. The bullpen looks bad.  I don't need to go into detail.  The problem is that if you step back and look at all of baseball's lower-priced off-season relief moves, none really look that good.  When it comes to the bullpen, I throw my hands up wondering what could Hendry have done differently?  He appears to have been right to save money on Kerry Wood.

5. Fukudome has been this team's saving grace so far.  If Fukudome falls back again, he'll be a real enigma.  His SLG has fallen back in May, but this could just be the normal ebb and flow of baseball.  We'll see.

6. Hoffpauir and Hill look to be worthwhile risks paying off.  Over the last 7 days, Hoffpauir is 2/14 with 7 Ks.  Hopefully that also is just the normal ebb and flow hitters go through, because otherwise he's been a real asset with the bat.  It's the rest of the bench that is the disaster.  No backup was provided for 3B or SS.  Perhaps Jim expected Corey Koskie to play.  Even then, there was way too much "hope and faith" in Ramirez and Theriot - two players known to be at risk in regards to their durability.  This isn't just a problem that was exposed by bad luck.  It was going to be a problem season-long if Lou did not feel he had the options necessary to rest Theriot and Ramirez. 

7. I'm on record saying we undersold those guys.  Pie and Cedeno started the season very poorly - their first in the AL - but both have rebounded lately.  Over the last 14 days, Ronny's hitting .263/.300/.526 and Felix is hitting .242/.306/.455 in May.  Of course, that, too could be the normal ebb and flow of baseball, and regardles the OBPs look bad.  Again, to be clear, it's not that I think we need those guys on the team; I think we could have gotten more in trade had we handled things differently.

Overall, my quibbles with Hendry are on smaller things.  It's just that these smaller things have added up this season and been magnified with Bradley, the big off-season acquisition, not hitting.  There were good moves in here, too.  In particular, I think at the end of the season, we are going to be glad with Mike Fontenot as a platooned 2B.

 

Alright - where can we go from here?

 

My view is that something needs to be done to give this team a shot in the arm and to help re-sort the bullpen and bench.  Pre-season, I'd have liked to see a guy like Maicer Izturis, Brandon Wood, or Wilson Betemit added to the roster.  But a move like that wouldn't help this team with the idea that management still believes and is expecting a turnaround.

I have my eye on Aubrey Huff.  He's hitting just ok, so far this season.  Andy McPhail is intending to trade him and now has the concern - what if Huff's 2009 follows 2007 and not 2008?  Did McPhail wait too long to trade Huff?  Hendry can offer to buy now, paying full price, saving McPhail some of that risk.  Huff played for Lou in Tampa and has played in the NL Central before, too.  He can play 3B now and gives us Bradley insurance in RF later.  The demand for Huff should be lower than for DeRosa, whose 2B skill and versatility make him more attractive to more clubs.  That means the price could easily be lower, too.  I also think the Cubs need Bradley insurance more than they need Fontenot insurance. 

The other real benefit to trading with Baltimore is that, especially in contrast to Cleveland, they should be shopping for young 1B/DH players, which is what we have to trade.  In 2006, the Rays sent Huff and cash to the Astros for Mitch Talbot and Ben Zobrist.  I think we can match that offer with an increase to pay respect to Huff's 2008 and to get this done earlier.

But I'd actually like to expand this trade to get George Sherrill, too.  He would solidify our bullpen as a strong LH late-inning guy.  Sherrill and Huff are getting paid 10.75 M dollars together.  So we would probably need some $$$ help from Baltimore to do this.  If the return was good enough, the O's have money to spare.

So, package Micah Hoffpauir, Jake Fox, Randy Wells, and Neal Cotts.  Hoffpauir and Fox go straight into Baltimore's lineup.  Wells goes into their tattered rotation.  Cotts helps cover innings.  Is that enough to get Baltimore to pay part of the salaries due to Huff and Sherrill?  There's no real marquee name there, but it's a lot of cheap talent with upside.  I imagine that some Cub fans will think it's too much.

But we get a real hitter to cover 3B and a real LH bullpen pitcher.  This would go a long way towards fixing the problems our roster faces.  The pressure comes off Marmol-Gregg.  Heilman moves to a multi-inning, mopup role.  Huff jumps into the middle of the lineup, taking pressure off Bradley.  We're still going to want a SS backup, but a smaller trade for a lesser-known player can look to fixing that later.  Maybe Baltimore is even willing to throw in Robert Andino somehow.

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Hoffpauir, Fox, Wells, and Cotts for Huff, Sherrill, and cash -
That's too much for the Cubs to give!
111 votes
That's not enough for the O's.
21 votes
Just right - get it done!
27 votes
The money just won't be there to make it work.
12 votes
Bah! Why bother with this team?
4 votes
I don't know; I want someone else....
17 votes

192 votes | Poll has closed

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Hoffpauir AND Fox?

Nope, too much. While Huff solves your 3B problem, temporarily, he’s not that great a 3B and has not played a single game there this year. Then what do you do with him after Ramirez comes back? Hoffpauir is probably a better hitter.

Also, I like Randy Wells and I think you would really hurt the starting rotation depth if you deal him.

Finally, why on Earth would the Orioles want Neal Cotts?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on May 25, 2009 9:38 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm not very good at balancing trades; what would you offer?

Huff’s not a great 3B, but did play there last year and could play all 4 corners when Ramirez got back, spelling 4 players who will all need days off down the stretch. He also may end up taking over RF when Bradley hits the DL.

At this point, comparing DeRosa and Huff and our current 3B options – which would you say we need more – offense or defense? Is Huff really worse than Fontenot/Scales/Freel defensively? Plus, maybe you disagree, but I think he may be cheaper in trade cost.

Definitely the starting rotation depth is hit, but this is one of the selling points for the O’s who just saw Koji Uehara take an injury hit. Would you do the trade if I replaced Wells with Ascanio or Hart?

The O’s need guys who can log innings. Cotts can log innings and maybe he rights the ship in a different organization the same way all the other LH relievers we have traded have. Cotts is better suited to the 1-2 inning role than the LOOGY role.

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 25, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Right now...

… Huff is hitting .266/.337/.473 with 7 HR and 36 RBI.

DeRosa is hitting .254/.319/.428 with 7 HR and 30 RBI.

Huff’s contract is a little larger than DeRo’s, so you’d have more money to pay. You might have to give better players to the Indians.

I think I’d do the deal including Ascanio — I doubt the Orioles want Hart back (remember, he came here in the Freddie Bynum deal).
Huff is probably about the equal of Fontenot/Scales/Freel at 3B; he does have the versatility to play the outfield.

If the deal were Fox/Ascanio/Cotts and maybe one more low level prospect, I’d be more inclined to do it.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on May 25, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're right that Huff and DeRosa aren't THAT far off as hitters,

but Huff adds LH SLG and a reputation as a hitter that DeRosa doesn’t have. And Huff also has more upside as a hitter. The impact of putting Huff into the middle of the lineup is something DeRosa can’t give. (Of course, Huff can’t play 2B.)

One of the big things here, for me, is that we know other teams have inquired about DeRosa. We haven’t heard such rumors about Huff – and when the trade deadline comes, Huff may not really stand out among the Beltres, Overbays, Rolens, Kouzmanoffs, Atkins, etc. I think the price on Huff plus cash could be significantly less than the price on DeRosa w/o cash compensation. I also think Baltimore is one of the few places that might have interest in Hoff/Fox, which really helps in that overall price, too, given that they are really mostly extraneous to our team’s shot at winning.

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 25, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Here's one small-sample-size thing in favor of Huff.

13-for-30 lifetime in Wrigley Field (.433, but with no homers).

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on May 25, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

agaisnt Cubs pitching

now in a Cubs uniform. Would those be the same facing other pitchers?

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 25, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd say Hoffpauir OR Fox (preferably Fox)

and a AAA level reliever like Stevens or Ascanio (Wells is too valuable right now as a swing guy) and a lower level guy (Tyler Colvin?) if we can get them both. Throw in Cotts if they want him.

by Poloplaya14 on May 25, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Defense

Al, you’re too hung up on defense, particularly when you’re talking about a team that has little to no offense to speak of. Who cares if Huff isn’t Brooks Robinson at 3B? They need offense and they need it now. Where do you play him when Ramirez comes back? How about 3B? I think it’s pretty bold to believe that Ramirez will be able to come back as anything more than a shell of his former self for the balance of 2009. I think it would be similarly foolish to believe he’ll be able to play nearly every day once he is able to return. Play Huff as often as you need to at 3B.

If you want to win now, you do something like this proposed deal. If you don’t, you sit there and lament at how bad the offense is all season long. Unfortunately, those appear to be the two options right now.

Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?

by krummy12 on May 25, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the thoughtful discussion DGU

(my brain is too tired this morning to come up with a point-by-point response… but this is good stuff.) Now let’s get Pittsburg tonight)

by digitalbenjamin on May 25, 2009 9:38 AM CDT reply actions  

Underselling...

Pie and Cedeno?? What more could you have gotten for them. Their both not very good. That’s classic Cub Fan bias for under performing players.

As far as the bullpen goes, Hendry could have signed some of the kazillion cheap, high upside guys out there like Saito, Beimel, etc.

I didn't get the players I wanted in the offseason!! Hopefully I get what I want in the Regular Season---The World Series Trophy!! Go Cubbies!!

by cubsluver22 on May 25, 2009 10:51 AM CDT reply actions  

Yeah

Pie: .190/.269/.310.
Cedeño: .188/.250/.375.

Had Hendry kept these two guys because he wasn’t offered a “proper” return he would get even less for them now. Those are awful, awful numbers.

Maybe, just maybe, Hendry did not get anything better because noone thought much of these two players.

by Luis on May 25, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Cubs marketing department

should look into offering Pie and Cedeno pinatas.

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 25, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Where is

John McDonough when you need him!?!?

by Luis on May 25, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Cubs marketing department

should look into selling Hendry pinatas, these days.

by helen on May 26, 2009 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pie and Cedeno

Jim Hendry stuck with Pie for as long as he did because he was a top prospect who good things were expected from. It didn’t work out. These things happen. It would have been foolhardy to trade Pie before the Cubs came to full verdict on his future. Cedeno? Hard to get worked up over Ronny Cedeno. He isn’t much of a ballplayer.

Awww, come on guys, it's so simple maybe you need a refresher course. It's all ball bearings ...

by BLou on May 25, 2009 11:05 AM CDT reply actions  

I'll just acknowledge your P.O.V. here; I'm not interested in rehashing the old Pie-Cedeno debates.

I only included it here because I wanted a comprehensive view of the off-season. I definitely understand that others see those moves as clearing dead weight from the roster, in which case, Hendry’s off-season looks even better in your eyes.

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 25, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

It is impossible to justify the length and dollar amount

of the Aaron Miles deal. IMO he is the worst player in baseball, and we get the “pleasure” of watching him pop out next season as well.

Also Hendry traded for Aaron Heilman who probably is one of the top-5 worst regular relief pitchers in baseball.

Two pathetic deals that really make me question how intelligent Hendry is.

It is okay to be critical of your team. It doesn't make you a dumb fan or a bad fan.

by nji232 on May 25, 2009 11:27 AM CDT reply actions  

I haven't gotten too bent out of shape on the Miles dollar figure

because Hendry does this every year. He gives a totally outside-the-market deal to a role player who he likes and who generally works hard to make the most out of his limited talents. Maybe it buys him goodwill with other free agents. Maybe it’s just Jim’s way of being Santa Claus with the Cubs’ money. But the Miles deal was not appreciably worse than the Neifi and Blanco deals.

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 25, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

He got lucky with the Blanco deal

basically getting the best offensive season of Blanco’s career last season. (I do have stats to back that up). Neifi is another example of an awful stupid deal, its just a waste of money on a replacement level player who won’t help the team at all.

AAA middle infielders can do the same thing for less money.

It is okay to be critical of your team. It doesn't make you a dumb fan or a bad fan.

by nji232 on May 25, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

I totally agree.

I’m just recognizing that this is S.O.P. for Jim Hendry and that if I was a just-barely-ML-able ballplayer who worked hard, I’d be glad Jim Hendry turned me into a millionaire. The flip side is that Bobby Scale sure would have been glad just to get the 400K all season, and he sure looks just as useful (if not moreso) than Aaron Miles.

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 25, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would prefer the Cubs not be charity cases to career average players

but if thats how Hendry wants to operate fine.

It is okay to be critical of your team. It doesn't make you a dumb fan or a bad fan.

by nji232 on May 25, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you are half right

he seems to catch lightening in a bottle often enough that he tries to catch it too often

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 25, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

cedeno for heilman right?

so, that means he’s still hurting the cubs.

by burncruisin on May 25, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just love it when fans automatically think

that one of ‘their’ players who is having a terrible season is ‘automatically’ the ‘worst’ players in baseball.

Unless you have the stats to place Miles/Heilman at the BOTTOM of their respective positions, it’s a laughable comment.

Or, possibly you haven’t seen the Washington Nationals attempt to hit, pitch and field this year.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 25, 2009 11:35 AM CDT reply actions  

Last season Heilman had

a 5.21 ERA, a 3-8 record, 5 blown saves, 10 HRs and 48 runs allowed in 76 innings. That puts him at the bottom of relief pitchers who pitched similar amount of innings, which is what I said he was.

As for Miles, I clearly said it is MY opinion he is the worst player in baseball. I thought this before he was on the Cubs and I will think it long after his pathetic useless bat and even more useless defense leave the team.

It is okay to be critical of your team. It doesn't make you a dumb fan or a bad fan.

by nji232 on May 25, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'll go a step further on Heilman

His -1.69 WPA last year was good for fifth worse among qualified relief pitchers.

It is okay to be critical of your team. It doesn't make you a dumb fan or a bad fan.

by nji232 on May 25, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Another sad WPA note

Kevin Gregg was had a -0.97 WPA, good for 16th worst in the league. So essentially this offseason Hendry traded for two of the 15 worst relief pitchers in baseball.

It is okay to be critical of your team. It doesn't make you a dumb fan or a bad fan.

by nji232 on May 25, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

How about taking it further

Check out many inherited runs he gave up. He’s not very good.

by ak123 on May 25, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Stats

I’m backing NJI here. You don’t need stats to make the short leap to the belief that Miles could very well be the worst 2B in baseball getting regular AB’s. Just watch him with regularity and you’ll be able to discern his complete futility at the plate.

Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?

by krummy12 on May 25, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hoffpauir, Fox, Wells, and Cotts for Huff, Sherrill, and cash -

interesting, but no.

IMHO

Wells has been too strong filling in for injured pitchers this season,
Hoff has been pretty consistant this season while playing LF, RF and 1B,
Fox and Cotts can be moved no problem.

now Fox and Cotts will not get much in return likely, but then again this is good ol Andy we are talkign about in Baltimore so who knows

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 25, 2009 11:40 AM CDT reply actions  

I wish Hoff or Fox could play 3B. They can't.

Huff can. And once you get Huff, Hoff becomes redundant.

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 25, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

"good ol Andy" is the big problem with getting him to make a deal now.

As the poll stands now, the vast majority of people responding think I’ve offered too much. But here’s the problem. We want Andy McPhail to sell early and to use up both of his best 2009 sell-off trade pieces and to pay freight. That’s a lot to ask from a team that’s developed a reputation of taking the Cubs junk and getting nothing out of it. Sure, that reputation goes back pre-Andy with the Sammy Sosa trade, but Andy’s the one with a Cub connection. He has to get something out of this deal that has long-term value to the O’s.

I think it’s worth giving him that in order to give a shot in the arm to the Cubs.

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 25, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have come to question

This team’s character. Perhaps character is not the right word. I know they give the effort and want to win. I just don’t know if they are what you call “winners”. There are things that happen to this ballclub that should not happen. Last year in the NLCS they did not hit, again. But they also commited 4 errors in one game, and the pitching was not up to par either.

Can they handle the pressure?

There were a lot of times that the Chicago Bulls crumbled under pressure, where noone could buy a basket. But they had a guy like Jordan who excelled under pressure and took the load off everyone. The Cubs have noone like that. Soriano is the team’s best payed hitter and is the worst under pressure. Zambrano is the best paid pitcher and you can’t count on him. That is not a good recipe for success.

by Luis on May 25, 2009 11:48 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Conclusion

Unless you trade for a superstar, I don’t think it will make much of a difference. Either the guys who are with the club now respond or they don’t. It’s up to them.

by Luis on May 25, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

I totally agree with needing to get a star if you're going to make a deal.

Aubrey Huff just barely makes that criteria, I believe. Twice he’s gotten MVP votes and last year he won a silver slugger. I’d rather be able to get a more legit All-Star, but I don’t think any are available right now, or feasible with our trade pieces.

Another option is also on the O’s; he’s a two-time All-Star, a SS winner, and a one-time MVP vote-getter – Melvin Mora, but I tend to think he’d have less of a psychological impact than Huff. He’d also be a whole lot less useful. The positive is that, I think, he would cost not much at all to get in trade.

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 25, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Look at Z's last two post season starts

I dont know how you can say you cant count on him; 6 IP, 1ER, 8Ks vs the Dbacks, when Lou inexplicably took him out to save him for game four. And then last year against LA, 6.1IP, 3 ER, 7K, another quality start, Zambrano is hardly the problem.

Soriano, DeRosa, Lee et al flailing at any slider thrown to them by the Dodgers was the problem

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on May 25, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Z has stepped up to the plate in his starts

The team crumbled around him

It is okay to be critical of your team. It doesn't make you a dumb fan or a bad fan.

by nji232 on May 25, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pretty much

1 great start, 1 average start. That’s Zambrano.

And obviously 2 start is a very small sample anyway. We know what he has done in season openers. We know that he threw a no hitter and followed it up with a horrendous outing. In 2007 he had a 3.91 ERA, and in 2008 he had a 3.91 ERA. This year he is at 4.64. In 2007 and 2008 he also had a less than 2:1 K:BB ratio. He is always at a 100 pitches in 5-6 innings. Hardly the definition of an ace.

He is good, but he is no ace and he hasn’t even been great in recent memory. He is not a guy that you count on to step up when things are going bad. That’s just reality.

by Luis on May 25, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

who cares about opening day?

his past two post season starts have been Quality Starts, that should be enough to win….he is far from the problem

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on May 25, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

What are you talking about?

DeRosa’s the only one who did ANY kind of hitting for us in last year’s postseason. More of the reason as to why I am still frustrated with the trade.

The guy was a role player and a team player. Not to mention his depth on this Cubs roster would’ve answered a whole lot of questions had he still been here…

by AeroZach on May 25, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't Lee...

hit, like, .565 in the series?

Free Ronny Cedeno

by Kansas25 on May 25, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is one of the most intelligent posts

I’ve read here in weeks. Certainly in the last 24 hours.

Thanks for putting it together. Great read, and a lot of food for thought. (I agree with most of it.)

by Not Bruce Froemming on May 25, 2009 12:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Crazy thought

I don’t even know who he could trade but our starting staff has proven that they can all be serviceable. I mean in the 6 of the 7 games they had an ERA close to 2.00.

Could we trade one of our good arms for a power hitter 2B or RF? I’m not even going to look at the list as to who may fit that profile but that seems the most likely and would hurt us the least.

by ak123 on May 25, 2009 12:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Power-hitting 2B/RFs

There aren’t too many 2Bs that are potential power hitters. I’d say there are no more than 8 2B who you might hope to get and keep their SLG over .450. Most of those guys aren’t available and Mike Fontenot is one of those guys. Of the ones we could consider trading for, say, Dan Uggla, maybe Kelly Johnson, they’re struggling just as much as Fontenot – so why not stick with Fontenot for now and see if he can turn it around?

As for power-hitting RFs, Aubrey Huff fits that description with the added bonus of being able to play 3B in the meantime. I don’t think there’s anyone else out there available at this point in the season with more power.

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 25, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

For one, Uggla has a track record whereas Fontenot does not

But were it not for our pitching, who knows how bad we’d be at this point…..Lets face it, our best hitter is out to July and our bullpen is atrocious

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on May 25, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lilly or Dempster

Let’s face it…we have a strong enough rotation to be without one of them. We would prefer NOT to give up a strong starter but right now we need someone who can hit/throw strikes in the 7th more than someone who can get a quality start.

by ak123 on May 25, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

not lilly

i dont care what anyone else thinks, lilly is our best, most consistent pitcher. I would like to see him sign a second contract with the cubs.

by burncruisin on May 25, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like Lilly too a lot

But that’s how much I feel we don’t need him if we could get a proven slugger to score some runs.

by ak123 on May 25, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldnt want Huff, Sherrill would be good

I certainly wouldnt give up Lilly or Dempster, not to mention the fact that the Os wouldnt take on Dempsters salary

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on May 25, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Very true

I wouldn’t be surprised if the move occured tonight.

But would adding Jake Fox in LF be enough? I was a Bradley supporter at the beginning but I really think he’s the key for benching to get this slump over. He did hit a monster HR in Wrigley though….

by ak123 on May 25, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know what my stance really is.

Moving Soriano to 2B weakens defense at both 2B and LF (significantly), but the real question lies in the true potential of Hoff. Fox in LF wouldn’t be the play; it’d be Hoff to left and Fox to Hoff’s role. I believe someone said Hoff is 2 for his last 14. Did he play over his head for the first chunk of the season or can he contribute in a greater role?

We’re getting burned by turning a productive bit piece into a regular (Fonty) so we’d be risking a repeat mistake while downgrading our defense. We also have to contend with Soriano’s mental capacity to stay focused at a new position. I don’t believe it would be wise to juggle Soriano between left and second, so I would assume this would be a season-permanent risk.

I’m not positive, but I’d imagine left would be an easier position to fill via trade if Hoff doesn’t pan out.

I like the thought, but ultimately don’t believe it is worth the risk.

Free Ronny Cedeno

by Kansas25 on May 25, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dont think anyones last 20 ABs are a fair argument

when on a 7 game losing streak and pretty much no one has hit.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 25, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's a tough spot

Because no one is really hitting right now….But Soriano being at 2B wouldn’t be a permanant thing. It would last until Ramirez is back. At this point I’d try anything once.

by ak123 on May 25, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pie and Cedeno were worthless

That’s just my opinion; I jsut don’t think guys with OBPs that low are worth anything. Maybe Hendry could’ve had more, maybe he got the best he could. Who knows?
My evaluation of Jim’s moves:
-Bradley was a good signing. Nobody could predict he would flop, and I still think he could be what Moises Alou was: flop the first year, 2 good years after that.
-I liked the DeRosa trade. Too bad Fontenot hasn’t produced.
-Sticking with Fukudome was obviously good, but I don’t give Jim too much credit. It was borderline impossible to trade him with that contract.
-I hated Jason Marquis, so I loved that move.
-Hated the Gregg deal, but only because I think Ceda was undersold, like you said.
-Putting together a bullpen is a crapshoot. I don’t put that on Jim.
-Signing Miles was a big mistake in my opinion. There were guys just as good that could’ve been had for less.
-Lack of a backup 3rd baseman was a mistake, too. Not saying I saw Ramirez’s injury coming, but still.
-I was against not resigning Blanco, but I guess Jim was right to give Hill a shot.

by Poloplaya14 on May 25, 2009 6:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Oh and Gathright was a bad signing too

but I guess there was little risk involved, so…

by Poloplaya14 on May 25, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

You totally missed

how the Cubs wasted money on Dempster.

SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!

by CubFaninCA on May 25, 2009 10:25 PM CDT reply actions  

I know.

Somehow that came back into my mind last night. Wonder why…

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 26, 2009 6:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

solutions

Please, let’s forget Batimore – if their talent was any good they wouldn’t be in last place. MacFail did a lousy job with the Cubs, why would we want to have any part of what he is doing in Baltimore (other than, as a poor evaluator of talent, he might let some good young guy go for a mediocre veteran). Let’s look the other way – Texas. They need a 1B who can catch the ball, a DH who can hit, and another pitcher. We need an interim 3B, and some stability in the bullpen. How’s this for an idea:

D Lee, Fox, Heilman, Gregg (probably wishful thinking that we can get rid of these two – maybe Cotts or Kevin Hart might have to be substituted) for Blalock, CJ Wilson, and maybe Andruw

Blalock can fill in at 3B til A-Ram returns, then move to 1B (while stillbeing a back up @ 3B). He is proven lefty power for the middle of the line up and he’s younger than Lee with stats that pretty much match up. Wilson can move into Marmol’s set up role or be a closer, and Jones adds the RH punch off the bench that we don’t currently have .

by oakmtnrun on May 26, 2009 10:51 AM CDT reply actions  

Fox is the right guy

If the Cubs are looking to make a deal to help the club then Fox is the right guy to be part of the deal especially if they’re looking to the AL for help. His value will never be higher than it is right now. He obviously is not a part of any plan to help/improve the Cubs and with his limited defensive skills he probably doesn’t fit into any NL team plans. Hendry needs to be working the phones and do a deal now if that is the way he’s going to go. To wait for Fox to cool off…any cooling off will look drastic with the way he has been hitting….will only force Hendry to include more or better players going the other way in a deal.

by Rkfd Die Hard on May 26, 2009 1:33 PM CDT reply actions  

2nd base

after watching the rays lose their 2nd baseman for the season on an attempt to break up a dp thats the last place i would want fonsie.

by NOMAR on May 30, 2009 5:26 PM CDT reply actions  

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