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I simply cannot fathom

Why in the f@#k Cotts is still on this team. He is simply god awful. Its pretty bad when you are seen warming up in the bullpen is everyone's first reaction is 'Oh god, here comes some runs'. If he is not DFA'ed, or taken somewhere and shot, in the next few days than the cubs organization is clueless. He is supposed to be a loogy, and he has given up 4 homers, ALL 4 TO LEFTIES. Our bullpen would be better made up of all righties instead of having him. After scoring 5 runs total in 6 games, our team finally hits and scores runs, only to have Cotts blow it. It is just utterly disgusting that he is still here.

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DFA Cotts.

Call up VITTERS, put MARSHALL in the ’pen.

Problem solved!

"It's hard to win 97 games, it's hard to win the division. Our attitude is if you get in every year, you get in most of the time, sooner or later you are going to knock that door down." -- Jim Hendry

by EJThunder on May 26, 2009 2:44 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

????

And who is the 5th starter ?

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on May 26, 2009 7:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unretire #31??

but I’m guessing he intends this to be done after Harden is back and Wells would be the 5th starter…

I think the problem with this is that there’s a good chance we’ll need to get Marshall back into the rotation later in the season (for whatever starter goes down next), and I seem to recall him not doing well in the past when he got shuffled a lot between the starting rotation and the bullpen.

by CubFanInCanberra (9387milesfromWrigley) on May 26, 2009 7:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Call up Vitters?

That is one of the worst ideas I’ve read on here in a while. Not only is it just a bad idea because you could screw up his growth as a player by throwing him to the wolves but you start the clock on his options. He can only play one position at this point and that position is currently anchored by the Cubs best player for the next couple years.

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by lemon20pie on May 26, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know Vitters isn't a pitcher, right?

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by dat cubfan daver on May 26, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

dave

logic was thrown out along time ago, we hvae come to the point of “the sky is falling” that there will be 100 different ideas within the next few days, and I doubt 1/3 are reasonably thought out.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 26, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was trying to figure out how Marshall in the pen helps Vitters...

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by dtpollitt on May 26, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think he's supposed to be a LOOGY

As a few have pointed out, he hasn’t really been too solid against lefties in general, and Lou doesn’t use him as one.

I like Lou, but it would probably be in his/Jim’s best interest to bring in/up a talented lefty who can get lefties out. He’s always very concerned about getting a matchup that gives his hitter the advantage statistically in regards to a lefty/righty matchup. He doesn’t seem to do that for his pitchers though.

by shoemile on May 26, 2009 2:50 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You're new here.

First, the title of this post doesn’t say anything about the post.

Second, your language is borderline unacceptable.

Please clean it up and give your post a better title. More people are likely to read it that way. Thanks.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 26, 2009 3:52 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This.

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by dat cubfan daver on May 26, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

time, I mean it.

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by dat cubfan daver on May 26, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hes in Philly

hes been very good over there in philly. they seem to have a couple extra leftys in da pen to spare. y not try and take him back?

It better happen...

by Chicago White Sux on May 26, 2009 7:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please tell me

You don’t also own the T-shirt to go with your screen name.

Nevermind – of course you do!

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by StevenABQ on May 26, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because Lou doesn't like him.

Either as a pitcher or as a person – the difference is immaterial.

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by dat cubfan daver on May 26, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cotts and Miles...

are both entirely worthless players. It’s ridiculous that the Cubs have two (three if you count Patton) players who aren’t good at anything.

by kanderber on May 26, 2009 7:29 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Patton has some value, at least.

He’s making the minimum salary and someone might be willing to trade for him.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 26, 2009 7:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay, even taking Patton out of the discussion...

The Cubs have one hitter who is completely inept and not good at defense, and one reliever who is just atrocious. It’s crazy to think that the ONLY reason either of them still has a job is because of how long they’ve been in the league/their contract. If these guys were rookies, they’d be long gone.

by kanderber on May 26, 2009 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Miles signing is still just ridiculous.

The fact that the Cubs spent all of their DeRosa savings on 2 years of Aaron Miles is just heartbreaking.

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by D98 on May 26, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Patton

… did throw two scoreless innings last night.

Right now I have more confidence in him than in Cotts or Heilman, and it’s not as if he (Patton) has had many opportunities. If I was Lou, I’d use Patton a bit more and give him the chance to sink or swim. Odds are probably good that he sinks, and then you get rid of him (let the Rox have him or whatever), but maybe he rises to the occasion.

But I totally agree with everyone that’s stated that we can no longer afford to have this guy filling a roster spot if he’s only going to pitch once a month.

by CubFanInCanberra (9387milesfromWrigley) on May 26, 2009 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The cure is straightforward

Cut Neal Cotts

Move Sean Marshall to the pen

Keep Randy Wells in the rotation

Awww, come on guys, it's so simple maybe you need a refresher course. It's all ball bearings ...

by BLou on May 26, 2009 7:39 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sorry but your wonder boy is INJURED

and we do need a 5th starter. I am all in favor of getting rid of Cotts but that just means bringing up Stevens or Waddell which is fine because they could not be worse.

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on May 26, 2009 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

Lets not get Waddell-fever please. I think after about two major league appearances we would come to understand that he is nothing to get amped up about. Stevens is a different story. I mercifully end the insane David Patton experiment and call up Stevens.

When Harden comes off the DL from his scheduled rest (which is cute way the Cubs have of limiting his number of starts so he can last a season) then move Marshall to the pen where he can be very valuable to this club. Wells is serviceable enough to handle the 5th starter chores. Marshall is more valuable in the pen given the nightmarish nature of the pen.

Awww, come on guys, it's so simple maybe you need a refresher course. It's all ball bearings ...

by BLou on May 26, 2009 7:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh how "cute"

He can not pitch without being injured but call it what you want. Stevens it probably better than Waddell but I suppose you want a lefty.

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on May 26, 2009 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The deal with Harden is that he needs to be milked along

We all knew that going in. But fact is when he is on the mound he is often times THE BEST pitcher on this entire Cub staff. Yep, better than Zambrano, Lilly and even Marmol. So if the price for Harden’s upside is the need to baby him along at times then I’m willing to pay that price.

Awww, come on guys, it's so simple maybe you need a refresher course. It's all ball bearings ...

by BLou on May 26, 2009 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I seriously doubt this

was planned. When you have a team struggling to score runs, the last thing you want to do is take one of your lights out starters (when he is on) and put him on the DL for rest.

They may have had such plans to DL him for “rest” at some point this season but I seriously doubt that they wanted to use that option right now.

"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb

by TheRiot Police on May 26, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If your "best" pitcher

only makes half or fewer his starts than he is NOT the best pitcher and even when he DOES start he is wildly uneven.

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on May 26, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I forget the rational for keeping Harden as a SP...

I know it’s been brought up for Harden to move to the pen and shot down, but I forget why. It’s an interesting question, given Harden’s incredible stuff and fragile arm, if you had a choice of putting Marhsall or Harden in the Pen, what data would you use to make that decision? It would be interesting to see actual splits between the two against both R and L handed batters.

by DisCUBbobulated on May 26, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Harden is not an option for the pen

He has stated that his arm is the type that needs several days of recovery time in between pitching. Oakland investigated the possibility two seasons ago and abandoned the thought. Harden is a starting pitcher, period. And when healthy, he is ace-caliber.

Awww, come on guys, it's so simple maybe you need a refresher course. It's all ball bearings ...

by BLou on May 26, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oakland investigated the possibility two seasons ago

link?

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 26, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha

you really expect one?

by sue369 on May 26, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no

and I actually expected him to reply that I am just another (insert ignorant name calling) and that I have no knowledge, since he knows better

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 26, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Two Seasons Ago he pitched a little releif..

Here’s the link. He also did some relief Gigs in 2005 and 2003, and there are several cases where he came in off of two days rest and pitched well. This article from Oakland in 2007 offer some discussion.

So… I want Harden to be an ace-pitcher too. I hope he can be. But if he can’t be, and injuries continue to be the rule and not the exception, and he can relief pitch – why the hell not? It would be better than nothing.

by DisCUBbobulated on May 26, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BLou will skip your comment

there are too much facts you provide and he is not one for facts

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 26, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Could we plase

stop with wanting to do bodily harm to our players? It’s fine if you don’t kike them but to want them to be shot or injured is stupid.

by sue369 on May 26, 2009 10:20 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

plase = please

I really need to spellcheck before I post.

by sue369 on May 26, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LMAO

welcome to my world

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 26, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know it's Tues.

but it seems like Monday. :-(

by sue369 on May 26, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd

Have some perspective, everyone.

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by Chris Dobbertean on May 26, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

The whole “should be taken out back and shot” is not only just flat out stupid, but it’s the type of drivel you regularly see on NSBB. Not here.

by kanderber on May 26, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, as one of the few who have dared defend Neal Cotts...

…let me just say that I’m kinda done with him, too. He’s gone from a guy who can’t throw strikes to a guy who can’t throw quality strikes. I almost want the Cubs to release him simply as a statement that the team is taking this losing streak seriously. Bring up Stevens and make the call as to whether Wells or Marshall should go to the pen when Harden is ready to come back. Sorry, Neal. My patience is up.

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by dat cubfan daver on May 26, 2009 10:56 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

His ERA was 3.00 back when he wasn't throwing strikes...

Look at April 21, when he had walked 5 batters in his first three innings. He’s only walked 4 since, only to see hitters smack around what Lou told him was “good stuff” when he pressured him into throwing more strikes. I like lou, but I’m not sure about him as a relief pitching coach – I think different approaches could have gotten more out of Cotts.

by DisCUBbobulated on May 26, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Call it the Bob Howry Principle.

As long as the guy is throwing strikes, Lou will go to him – even if he’s getting hit all over the field. Of course, the walks aren’t a good thing either, but there’s got to be some happy medium.

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by dat cubfan daver on May 26, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Daver....

Are you okay. You are normally Mr. Postivity Pants and level headed, but several of your posts today are very defeatist in nature.

"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb

by TheRiot Police on May 26, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like to choose reasonability over negativity...

…so maybe I do come off as a member of the Rainbow Brigade. But even I’m not immune to an eight-game losing streak. I never thought I’d see this level of failure from this team – even after they lost Aramis.

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by dat cubfan daver on May 26, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd

Is it just the angry fan in us that wants the Cubs to “make a statement”? I don’t know, because “making a statement” sure seems like a good idea to me, too.

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 26, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lack of foresight

I think the problem is that there was a lack of foresight, or whatever you want to call it, on the part of Hendry and Lou agreed or went along with it. What I mean is that they didn’t think about the worse case scenario of what happens when injuries strike. This has been compounded by the injuries coming early and often. If there was no more than an injury or 2 that required a DL stint to position players then a day here or there of Miles, Gathright or Hill wouldn’t be hard to stomach at all. But with injuries, day to day status of Ramirez, Bradley, Lee and the failure of Fontenot to hit consistently caused the use of Miles WAY TOO often. Lou had no confidence in Gathright and probably rightfully so. Then it created situations where there was a short bench forcing the use of Zambrano as a pinch hitter….I know the fans love to see Z come in to pinch hit and that he is a good hitter for a pitcher but, that’s just it….he’s a good hitter for a pitcher not a guy a team has on their bench to pinch hit. Then there is the idea of the “need” to have a lefty in the bullpen. They need people in the pen who can get batters out, period. Seems to me that most picthers, and hitters for that matter, move up through the minors pitching, hitting against both right handers and left handers. If they can’t get out both, hit both then how do they have enough success to get to the majors????

Well, this was long and rambling. But, I think the Cubs are now reaping what they sowed in spring training in that they failed to forsee/plan for the bumps in the road and put the best arms, regardless of which arm they throw with, in the pen and have a bench that can provide help when needed especially for extended periods of time. On the bright side there are still 4 months left in the season so nothing is so broken that it can’t be fixed. They just have to man up, be willing to “back up the bus” so to speak and replace the pieces that need to be replaced. Spin that it is not a “panic mode” just the “tweaking” of the roster that needs to be done to this team competative.

by Rkfd Die Hard on May 26, 2009 12:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

About Gathright....

… he played for Lou in Tampa. Lou knew all about him and wanted the team to get “faster”. Unfortunately, that was Gathright’s only baseball skill.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 26, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I swear every spring Lou says:

“We want to get faster and more athletic.”

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by dat cubfan daver on May 26, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And, just like the lefty obsession...

… that’s not the reason the Cubs lost the NLDS.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on May 26, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

p.s.

…………left a word out at the end should be………..“tweaking” of the roster that needs to be done to MAKE this team competative.

by Rkfd Die Hard on May 26, 2009 12:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Changes must be coming

The definition of insane is repeating the same action over and over again, and expecting a different outcome. I’m not at ledge-jumpy as many around here, but am starting to worry about the coming months, especially with our pen.

The offense? Lee & Soto seem to be coming around a bit, and Theriot and Soriano had good AB’s last night, so I think there’s hope there. Just no more injuries please!

I also fear the Dempster we’re seeing this year is more likely the Dempster we’re going to get for the next 3 or 4…inconsistant at best.

Positives? I’m pleasantly surprised by Wells, Marshall has pitched pretty well, and Fukudome has had a pretty solid start.

Go get’em tonight, boys!

I have nothing funny or creative to write.

by Canadian Cubs Fan on May 26, 2009 1:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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