Zambrano's Childish Antics Overshadow Cubs' 5-2 Win Over Pirates
by Al on May 27, 2009 5:07 PM CDT
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Carlos Zambrano is one of my favorite players. He brings passion and joy to playing, he's always out there trying his best and bringing his "A" game every time he steps on the field. He got hurt attempting to catch the Marlins sleeping and beating out a bunt.
But really, Z -- it's time to grow up. You will be 28 years old on Monday. Your ranting and raving today is probably going to cost you a start -- replays clearly showed contact between you and plate umpire Mark Carlson, although it also appeared that Carlson deliberately advanced toward Z, almost as if he wanted to make contact himself so as to get another suspension to his credit -- and then, your histrionics in throwing the ball almost to the LF wall and your glove toward the dugout has to worry your manager. After throwing 114 pitches, you heave the ball 300 feet? Better have your shoulder looked at, too. I looked at a replay of the ejection and subsequent argument. After the contact was made, it looked as if Z turned to Carlson and said, "You touched me first, I'm ejecting YOU!" And he has a point. Umpires are out of control and I hope Bob Watson and the disciplinary people around him take a very close look at the video. Z was wrong; he certainly deserves a fine for his actions. But Carlson initiated the contact.
In his postgame remarks, Lou sounded like a rueful dad who's going to have to punish his favorite child: "I'm going to have to have a talk with Carlos", he said, sounding like he'd rather have several teeth pulled without anesthesia.
Replays on the play in question, incidentally, showed Nyjer Morgan's hand on the plate just before Z's tag after a pitch got away from Geovany Soto. Morgan was safe -- and I think Carlson may have given the Cubs a makeup call in the 8th when Soto scored on Andres Blanco's double down the line that made the score 4-2.
All of this took away from a nicely-pitched game by Z (why he was in the game in the 7th inning anyway is open to question, as he had thrown 108 pitches through six), and the Cubs' second win in the last 24 hours, 5-2 over the Pirates, marked by nice play from Reed Johnson in particular. Johnson made an outstanding running catch on a deep fly ball in the top of the 7th by Adam LaRoche, and then broke the tie in the bottom of the 8th with a solo homer, his second dinger this week. Milton Bradley tripled and looked, at last, as if he's finally running at full speed again; he also made a nice running catch in the ninth inning and doubled Freddy Sanchez, who had walked, off first base. Sanchez had nearly rounded third; why he was that far off base is inexplicable, but the Cubs will take it. Kevin Gregg registered his seventh save, but had Bradley not made the catch, it might have been nervous time again; Gregg walked two before striking out Nate McLouth to end it.
Also overshadowed today were the multiple roster moves by the Cubs. Andres Blanco, Jake Fox and Jason Waddell were all added to the roster, as we have discussed earlier today. Blanco started at 2B -- what a difference. He can actually field his position. Fox pinch-hit for Carlos Marmol in the 8th and after looking a bit lost for the first few pitches, he skied a RBI double to the wall in right-center. Incidentally, there has now been a Fox on the Cubs' 25-man roster at various times every year since 2005 (except 2006); Chad in 2005, 2008 and 2009, and Jake in 2007 and 2009. Yet they have never once appeared in the same game. Are we sure they're not the same Fox?
Kidding. But I'm not about this -- tonight is Jake Fox Jersey Day in Des Moines. Maybe they can send them all to Chicago and hand them out tomorrow.
It was chilly -- there were quite a number of people who must have driven in from the western or southern suburbs where it was in the 70's and who were way underdressed for the 55-degree temperature -- but the rain held off and when the sun made a few peeks from behind the gloomy gray overcast, big cheers erupted from the 22,000 or so of the announced 38,314 who actually showed up today. They saw the Cubs right their ship, just in time for the Dodgers to come to town tomorrow. Let's hope Z calms down and avoids suspension.
And grows up a little. (The umpires need to, too.)
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Wow
I utterly and completely and totally disagree with your headline.
Z won that game for us today. Man.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 27, 2009 5:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He did? How?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 27, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
6+ IP and 2 runs allowed.
It’s also up for debate that his blowup fired up his offense.
by MattHaggard on May 27, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree it fired up the team.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on May 27, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno.
“Fired up”? Guys got hits after Duke left the game, that’s the more likely reason.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 27, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry Al, but I
loved Z throwing out the ump!! Now that’s entertainment-he’s fun to watch and he’s good. I’m tired about hearing about immaturity. He cares, he really cares and I thought he was right about the call at the plate and it was funnier than heck when the ump bumped him, he threw him out.
who cares about the stupid Gatorade machine, he was frustrated and it is fun to watch someone who cares about his job.
by cubswin on May 27, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, he cares.
I wish his caring would avoid suspension.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 27, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and maybe
he won’t get suspended. It’s awfully clear from the video that he was bumped by the ump. We’ll see.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 27, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know that and I know that.
Unfortunately, MLB management has never been swayed by evidence and common sense.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 27, 2009 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they reduced Milton's suspension
to one game. Let’s see what happens.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 27, 2009 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd bet MY SOUL...
…Z gets a suspension! No question about it!
"I always tell the truth -- Even when I lie"
by calicubfan on May 27, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You make contact with an umpire
and your going to get suspended.
How long is to be determined, due to the fact that it does appear the umpire initiated the contact, but it is certain that there will be a suspension.
by cubsfaninatl on May 28, 2009 6:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we'll see.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
any attempt to rein in z is going to hurt this team. i admire z’s heart, courage & passion. umps are tin-plate dictators and i despise them.
by brian custer on May 28, 2009 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that run was dicey at best
I really thought Morgan was out.
by Allie on May 27, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe
But the fact is, even after several replays, it’s too close to tell… and quite honestly, Z was in the worst position to know one way or the other. There is no way he could see the hand come in behind him. He over reacted and he’s going to miss a start and several pinch hit possibilities. Considering that Harden is not close to coming back, it’s going to hurt.
I don’t believe his reaction fired up the team. Nobody went off last night and we scored several runs late.
by lohroffc on May 27, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of those runs was UNearned
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on May 27, 2009 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not mad at Z at all
Good to know somebody gives a crap. Morgan was safe, but I honestly don’t think Z could have known that from where he was.
Good for Z manning up and giving us some fire and passion.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on May 27, 2009 5:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree about the makeup call.
And that’s part of why I think Lou needs to lead the Cubs towards shutting up about the umps and focus on playing the teams that are the real “enemy.” Reed Johns’s leadership needs to be re-affirmed by Lou. He may be doing that in the clubhouse and we’ll never hear it. I hope he is.
Derrek Lee is good.
by DGU on May 27, 2009 5:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The real victim?
I feel sorry for that poor Gatorade machine.
by eths on May 27, 2009 5:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Or the repairman...
Who has to fix the damn thing… again.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on May 27, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I, for one, could stand to see MORE hissy fits being thrown by this team.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 27, 2009 5:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Because hissy fits win games?
Since when?
You want the whole team suspended?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 27, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I want the whole team to wake the hell up.
Did you not see them in San Diego? The were SLEEPWALKING through the games Al.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 27, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They woke up yesterday and continued today.
Had nothing to do with the tirade.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 27, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe.
maybe not. It seemed to me that they woke up more after the 7th today.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 27, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hissy fits are a sign of life beneath..
The hissy fits don’t win the games, but the fire in the belly that makes you so pissed about a run getting across to the plate to tie the game that you’ll argue with the ump, throw things, and beat up a water cooler.. that fire.. That wins games. I’ll take the hissy fits that come with that.
by DisCUBbobulated on May 27, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, and I did say....
… I like Z’s passion. But you have to channel it properly. Unfortunately, this is probably going to cost him a start or two.
Explain to me how that helps the team.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 27, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Z will be fresher for the playoffs.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 27, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bonds the team together.
Maybe the team says “it’s us vs. the world.”
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on May 27, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe.
Or, it hurts the team when he gets suspended. I’d rather he channel his passion into his pitching.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 27, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure but you and I know that's never going to happen.
If this kicks the team in the ass, then it’s worth 1-2 games without Z.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on May 27, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's not him.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 27, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, it worked for Dusty's team in 2004
/sarcasm
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on May 27, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WIthout the suspension
There wasn’t the outburst. Without the outburst, there wasn’t the passion. Without the passion, you lose. The thing with Z, is he can’t just be the convenient half of himself – it’s like your wife telling you she doesn’t like the part of you that jumps up and down during a homerun at the pub – you have to accept it all. The passion helps the team – and the suspension is a necessary evil that comes with that.
by DisCUBbobulated on May 27, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reed Johnson is the man
He kicked Bradley in the butt the other day, and then is the star of the game today. Nothing but the best effort out of him at all times, and unlike some scrappy guys, cough miles cough, Johnson has the some talent in him, which makes him fun to watch.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on May 27, 2009 5:17 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Whenever Johson is performing...
I always make it a point to get into a position so I can watch him.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 27, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who is this Johson you speak of?
I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...
by Jimmyeatworld on May 27, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
taint that something
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on May 28, 2009 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right.
That’s who won today’s game — Reed Johnson.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 27, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or Bradley.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 27, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True that.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 27, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed and recommended, because I haven't used all my "Recommended" HP/MP yet today.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on May 27, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
This certainly was a good first game at Wrigley for the year. Whatever else you might say about Carlos, it is like night and day with having to watch the stultifying Nats every night. (Don’t hate on them – my job is in DC.)
Oh, by the way – nice win, nice rally!
by 08Cubs on May 27, 2009 5:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs are OUTLAWS?????
From Paul Sullivan:
Between Milton Bradley’s comments on an umpiring vendetta, Lilly’s criticism on Monday and Zambrano’s wild display, the Cubs are being viewed as a team full of outlaws.
Wow. Last season the Cubs are dissed for being too nice- so they go out and get a little “swagger” in Bradley to fuel Lilly, Big Z, et. al. Now they get dissed for finally displaying some sort of pulse.
Childish yes, but at least they are now showing SOMETHING other than a willingness to just drift on and on for the rest of the year.
I said DRAW partner!
Go Green! Go White! GO STATE!
King Leonidas: Spartans! What is your profession?
Spartans: HA-OOH! HA-OOH! HA-OOH!
by Zeke on May 27, 2009 5:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I can see that...
We just need a John Kruk type to bring ‘em down to earth with a box of ding dongs or the Cubs truly will become the most hated team in baseball. I’d rather let the Yankees keep that title.
by TheHawkRules on May 27, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the Cubs being the most hated team
Everyone hates the Yankees… but they win. A lot. I’d take that deal any day.
by Poloplaya14 on May 28, 2009 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really don't like Sullivan at all
This reads like something Mariotti would say.
by Allie on May 27, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In Sullivan's defense...
… he didn’t say HE viewed the team as a team of outlaws, he said they are “being viewed” that way. He didn’t identify who is doing that, though.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 27, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know...
…since I live away from Chicago, the Cubs are somewhat hated by some people. I think their jealous of all the attention the Cubs get nationwide… especially since in their eyes, their like… “the team has ever won anything, I can’t believe they…” I hear it all the time. Its really annoying.
by TheHawkRules on May 27, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
I’d rather have a team of outlaws than “nice” guys though.
by Allie on May 27, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care...
…what their labeled… as long as it comes with the title WORLD SERIES WINNERS! :O)
by TheHawkRules on May 27, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now on THAT, we can all agree.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 27, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely.
But outlaws seem more likely to close out a game when they have a chance. Nice guys don’t.
Why yes, I do have a bad-boy thing… why do you ask? LOL
by Allie on May 27, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A former Cub manager Leo Durocher liked to say "Nice guys finish last"
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on May 27, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nitpick alert
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on May 27, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you and Ralph Keyes insist....actually, I never heard Leo say it....
Guess you can’t trust all of what you read….
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on May 27, 2009 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was spun into a nifty "sound bite"
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on May 27, 2009 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. I wasn't getting on Sully...
Just taking some amusement at the turn of events from one year to the next.
2008 = Too nice.
2009 = OUTLAWS!
Imagine that!
I say EMBRACE it. Use “Green Grass and High Tides” as this years theme song…;)
Go Green! Go White! GO STATE!
King Leonidas: Spartans! What is your profession?
Spartans: HA-OOH! HA-OOH! HA-OOH!
by Zeke on May 27, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs have turned to the dark side of the force...
by TheHawkRules on May 27, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, it worked for Darth...
…for a while at least…
…then, not so much…
Go Green! Go White! GO STATE!
King Leonidas: Spartans! What is your profession?
Spartans: HA-OOH! HA-OOH! HA-OOH!
by Zeke on May 27, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those of the good side...
…find peace.
Those of the dark side… get a piece.
CUBS RULE! 09! OH YEAH BABY! YEAH!
by TheHawkRules on May 27, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love this! Outlaws!
Like the Oakland A’s of the 70’s who hated each other and their manager Dick Williams but won anyway? Great! Love it!
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 27, 2009 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nodding in agreement with the other commenters..
This is part of who Z is, and while not the most comfortable part, the end results is someone who gives us good starts and can dominate opposing hitters. Today was an excellent game – we were limping along in another low-scoring game that we would have lost a week ago -and the Cubs found the fire to win. Good stuff! Yes, Z might get suspended for a start, but that doesn’t bother me.
by DisCUBbobulated on May 27, 2009 5:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What are the chances Carlson has himself
in the umpire ejection fantasy league?
by Allie on May 27, 2009 5:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Least we won...
Last season… I remember talking about how I believe Fukudome’s patience rubbed off on the Cubs.
This season, I think MB’s problems have rubbed off on the Cubs.
I do believe what’s going on with the umpires is full of crap, but, the Cubs need to get hold of things before they start using it completely as an excuse for all of their problems. I think that’s happening with MB… then Lily, then Z.
Yeah, the UMPs stink… but, they are stinking with everyone. If the Cubs believe they are getting it worse than anyone else, then… it’s their own fault by not shutting up.
by TheHawkRules on May 27, 2009 5:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I have a feeling today was the end of Cubs and umpires fighting for a while
The message has been sent, and now its done.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on May 27, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope
…I just don’t want the Cubs to start blaming the umpires for losing… that will give them a reason to lose, not a reason to win.
by TheHawkRules on May 27, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you're right.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 27, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
After watching MB play this year, though
I actually kinda do think the umps are out to get him. There seem to be a lot of questionable called strikes on him. But maybe that’s just Bradley’s propensity to take close pitches.
by Poloplaya14 on May 28, 2009 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't mind a blow up
now and then because sometimes it does fire up the team. What I don’t understand is why a player or manager feels they need to get up so close to the umpire? They certainly can get their point across without being so close to the umpire and risking bumping into them.
Zambrano may have helped the team get fired up but then he may have hurt them by possibly getting a suspension. Kind of negates the whole thing.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
by tucsoncubsfan on May 27, 2009 5:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the ump
kept moving into Z and Z kept backing up.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 27, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
can't wait to see how this story grows and changes over time but that's a good start
by ol Pete on May 28, 2009 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you know what?
I’ve become convinced that you serve no functional purpose. Anyone who sees the video can see that the ump initiated the contact.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The “kept moving into Z” and “Z backing up” are pretty good. I don’t think you can find anyone who would write that as part of a description of the events.
by ol Pete on May 28, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Drew...
he’s baiting you… In the words of Admiral Akbar, “It’s a TRAP!!!”
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on May 28, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah poor Carlos having to retreat from the charging ump
Having a good laugh at the way the story changes and grows over time is “baiting.”
Kept moving into Z while Z kept backing up, who wouldn’t agree to that?
by ol Pete on May 28, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a troll like you.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah... the fanshot with the Felix Pie/Milton Bradley photo is gone
darn, that was funny.
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
by DTJchris on May 27, 2009 5:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
She was spamming.
Funny, but not funny at the same time.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 27, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What! I called her out on that! I wanted a reason for the screw-up!!
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on May 27, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um, because she's stupid?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 27, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had to watch it about 3 times to make sure it wasn't I that looked stupid for claiming it was Felix...
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on May 27, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In no way do I condone spamming
but fanshot made the spammer look incredibly stupid. I mean, a picture of Felix Pie, sideways, during a segment about Bradley, and then getting completely called out/made to look stupid, was priceless.
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
by DTJchris on May 27, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Need to sign...
…Rick Vaughn from the state penitentiary league. That would be nice.
by TheHawkRules on May 27, 2009 5:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't mix it up
It’s the California Penal League. ;)
Believe or Leave ~Cubswynn 9/9/2008
by slcathena on May 28, 2009 7:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He could throw
a couple high hard ones that our catchers get “crossed up” on.
"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg
by gwood on May 28, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
See the replay of the ejection here
I agree that the ump initiated the bump but Z shouldn’t have taken the bait — not surprised or upset he did. However taking a bat to the Gator-aid machine in the dugout seemed a little too much.
If the Cubs were an international soccer team they'd be called Scotland.
by mrtobby on May 27, 2009 5:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oopps
If the Cubs were an international soccer team they'd be called Scotland.
by mrtobby on May 27, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That replay...
… along with the video I posted, clearly show Carlson walking right into Z. The umpires have got to be placed under control.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 27, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I posted a fanshot with the video on the sidebar...
… it does look like the umpire initiated it. Of course Z’s going to take that bait, and the umpires know it.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 27, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there is no "look like" about it.
The ump moved into Z and had no reason to do so. Z’s shove was simply a response to the umpire moving in to him. The umpire initiated the contact without any question. He needs to be disciplined.
Ladies and gentlemen! It's 1985 all over again, but this time the offense goes to hell!
by Ross on May 27, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree completely.
But we have no MLB leadership that will stand up and say that, and then actually DO it.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 27, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought
it looked like they both made awkward movement towards each other and while the ump stopped his movement Z extended his arm into the umpire, probably expecting a bump that never came.
"Do you want a bunch of duds walking around with their shoulders slumped and having no emotions, no feelings?" Bradley said. "I don’t think the fans want that. I think they want a guy who’s going to get into the game and feel a little bit. I’ve always said, ‘I don’t really play baseball, I feel it.’ "
by Villeslgr on May 27, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley
I’m hoping that his season is the next Moises Alou. I think everyone remembers that after Alou signed here in 2002, he was both hurt and terrible throughout April and May. After that he heated up in June and gave the Cubs 2.5 years of good ball.
by Josh77 on May 27, 2009 5:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well OK, but if he starts peeing on his hands then we have to rethink this...
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King Leonidas: Spartans! What is your profession?
Spartans: HA-OOH! HA-OOH! HA-OOH!
by Zeke on May 27, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, Alou was pretty bad all year in 2002.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 27, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This team doesn't need hissy fits, or pissed off people.
This teams need healthy players, and players who should be hitting: Bradley, Lee, Soto, Fontenot and pitchers who will throw the ball with authority, Demp, and Z.
Play baseball fellas with some energy, not acting like a child.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on May 27, 2009 5:37 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
My point exactly.
Rec’d
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 27, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
Watching the game today, I could not help but wonder what effect these player tirades are having on the young kids that are trying to emulate their favorite Cubs players. It really sets a bad example.
wccubfan
by wccubfan on May 27, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want Z
to do whatever it takes to win games.
How about we let parents raise their own kids and tell them what Z did was wrong if you think so. I don’t BTW.
If Carlos Zambrano’s antics on the field has more effect on a child than the parent’s words do, then I would have to say the problem is the parent.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
by KaliCub on May 27, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think Z is doing what it takes to win games
If he misses two starts?
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by Worf on May 27, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're expecting him
to predict the future. We don’t know how many — if any at all — starts Z will miss.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 27, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
imho
he will get 5 games and will miss exactly no starts.
He pitched well, overreacted to the call, but the ump was approaching him and that’s what set him off.
If you want to debate Z the pitcher, I won’t go as far as you, I just want him to trust his stuff more and throw strikes. He gets into trouble when he nibbles and gets behind.
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by KaliCub on May 27, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way will baseball let him rig it to where he misses no starts
He will get 8 games and get it knocked down to 6 or 7.
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by Worf on May 27, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we shall see, either of us has no way of knowing.
I would really like to know if the ball toss alone would have gotten him something.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
by KaliCub on May 27, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll bet he doesn't miss a start
but gets an unusually large fine, insignificant for him, for not leaving after he was thrown out, throwing the ball onto the field, et cetera.
by ol Pete on May 28, 2009 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sports stars
aren’t contracted to be examples for your kids.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 27, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Make this green
"That's what you live for. You live for the opportunity and when that day comes, you better be ready," Soto said. "I tried to make sure that whenever they gave me a chance, I was ready and I knew I had to take advantage of the opportunity."
by Madison Cub Fan on May 27, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm gonna respectfully disagree here, Al.
I appreciate, value, and typically agree with you, but Zambrano is Zambrano, We ain’t gonna change that. He probably went one or two steps further than he shoulda, but this is nothing new. This team has been playing like crap, and if Dempster, Lilly, and Zambrano (notice—all pitchers…it hasn’t been their fault we’ve been losing) need to get fired up (along with Reed’s chat with GameBoard), then I’m all for it. This team has even stated it doesn’t know what it’s identity is (or for that matter, it’s leader). If it takes a few losing streaks or blow-ups like this, I’m all for it.
Dan
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on May 27, 2009 5:42 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Hey, look.
I know it was great theater, and Z was probably just about out of the game anyway at 114 pitches.
If the Cubs go on a long winning streak, maybe you can credit this for “waking them up”. I just worry that this may have cost him a suspension, which will hurt the team.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 27, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he's suspended
it would probably at most push his next start back a day or two
by cubsmania on May 27, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on off days and...
… appeals, etc.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 27, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the time they hear the appeal
hopefully Harden will be back… and it won’t even be a big deal.
by Allie on May 27, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs do have four Mondays off in June.
Maybe that’d work out. Still, you don’t want to see a player suspended at all.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 27, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At this rate...
Wells may get 25 starts this year. It’s all about timing…lol
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by carmen_fanzone on May 27, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many games do you think hed get?
I can’t imagine it being more than 5 games
by cubsmania on May 27, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Usually when a starting pitcher gets suspended....
… they do 6 games, to guarantee he has to miss a start.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 27, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or 7-8
No way he misses two. Even if he gets 10 games, I’m sure we could find a way to get him to miss only one start
by Poloplaya14 on May 28, 2009 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beckett got 6 and it was reduced to 5
I thought what he did was pretty bad too.
by ol Pete on May 28, 2009 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beckett was more deliberate
I saw it live, he definitely threw trying to hit Bobby Abreu. Zambrano didn’t try to cause his fight, the umpire clearly walked into Z and bumped him.
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 28, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Z alwasy pitches well every other start anyway...
he’ll just miss his “crappy start” and we’ll get him back for the next good one.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 27, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just hope
Z didn’t hurt his arm with that foolish throw to left field.
"They found a delivery in my flaw." - Dan Quisenberry
by danimal15 on May 27, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
pffft
that wasn’t a hard throw.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 27, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Waking them up
Honestly I think Z was just trying to win the strange competition going on between our pitchers. Lilly running over catchers, Zambrano punching them. Lilly getting tossed from the video room, dempster hitting the G machine Zambrano taking a bat to it. And Lou of all people wants to talk to Z about control his emotions. Are they shooting some reality show at Wrigley that no one knows about?
"Do you want a bunch of duds walking around with their shoulders slumped and having no emotions, no feelings?" Bradley said. "I don’t think the fans want that. I think they want a guy who’s going to get into the game and feel a little bit. I’ve always said, ‘I don’t really play baseball, I feel it.’ "
by Villeslgr on May 27, 2009 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This one is on the ump
Carlson clearly bumped Z, he clearly took a step towards him to initiate the contact. In fact, if you read Z’s lips afterwards, it looks like he says “You bumped me.” You can see it pretty clearly on the replay on ESPN.com.
Z deserves to be suspended for having his hissy-fit, but Carlson also needs to be disciplined for not backing away and instigating the contact. Umpires need to walk away.
Ladies and gentlemen! It's 1985 all over again, but this time the offense goes to hell!
by Ross on May 27, 2009 5:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The ump should be suspended
He clearly initiated the contact with z…..Im sure he wanted Z to get suspended for his “blowup”. Hopefully MLB finally makes a stance against the umps here.
Also I love that z had a tirade. I think it fired up the team and gave them the spark theyve been missing. Quit frankly, Ive been waiting for Lou to do it when they were in the 8 game losing streak.
by cubsmania on May 27, 2009 5:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You are assuming a thoughtful, logical, measured and rational response.
Does that sound in any way like a description of the rulers of Major League Baseball?
Nuh, uh.
Z will take it in the latkas and the ump will walk away scott free. You read it here first.
Go Green! Go White! GO STATE!
King Leonidas: Spartans! What is your profession?
Spartans: HA-OOH! HA-OOH! HA-OOH!
by Zeke on May 27, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
This reminds me a little of the incident with MB a few years ago in San Diego, but every time I see an umpire baiting a player like Carlson baited Z, I’m reminded of Tim Duncan getting two technical fouls when he was sitting on the bench talking with a teammate.
Granted, that was a more obvious example of an official going out of his way to eject a player, but Carlson should be suspended still.
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 28, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope the Dodgers are very, very scared of us this weekend.
Somethin’ lit a fire under our arses.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on May 27, 2009 5:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Now, on THAT we completely agree.
Incidentally, I stand by my headline. What are we talking about here? The win or Z?
Z’s antics overshadow the win. The headline is correct.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 27, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait...we won?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 27, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we're talking about Z
because of the headline, not the other way around.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 27, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why should the Dodgers be scared of the Cubs?
No Harden no “Z”, No Ramy, Cubs beat the Pirates 2 out of 3, WOW. The Dodgers buried us last year in the playoffs, they are doing just fine without Manny, hell Juan Pierre is hitting .400 for goodness sake. Dodgers scared, no, they are are a better team than the Cubs right now and they know it.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on May 27, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Broxton threw a 40+ pitch save today
in their sweep of the Rockies….so, at least the Cubs won’t see HIM tomorrow, in a potential save situation.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 27, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has an ump ever been suspended for any sort of misconduct?
by kanderber on May 27, 2009 5:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not to my knowledge.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 27, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes...
Mike Winters, the guy who egged on Milton Bradley a couple of years back.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,298174,00.html
Ladies and gentlemen! It's 1985 all over again, but this time the offense goes to hell!
by Ross on May 27, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the link.
This, obviously, isn’t as serious an incident as the Winters/Bradley one. But it’s the combined body of work that the umpires seem to be showing the Cubs — from Bradley to Lilly to Z — that needs to be examined.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 27, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're evaluated constantly - strike/ball calls, out calls, ejections
Everything is examined. But its like the call at the plate. Z goes psychotic, but is likely wrong in his judgement of the call. The pitching to Bradley was within the guidelines. Ironically Bradley cried about the ball being low when the controversy was whether it was outside. Lilly’s actions were laughable. And what you’re asking the umpires to do will never happen in baseball or any sport because it would spell disaster.
by ol Pete on May 28, 2009 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember watching that game...
… it was kinda weird, the whole situation. I’m glad the ump got it, and got it good…
by TheHawkRules on May 27, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grow up?
You want him to get a job in accounts receivable?
These guys are, after all, playing a children’s game.
by salparadise23 on May 27, 2009 5:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
True, but...
… how many players do you see acting like that?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 27, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Besides Z and Bradley?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 27, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 27, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To play devils advocate
I don’t think Z at 28 is nearly old enough to suggest that he grows up.
Once he gets to Lou’s, or Bobby Cox’s, age, maybe then.
I’m just saying, in any other industry, this behaviour wouldn’t be tolerated. But this is entertainment, and bumping the ump aside, on field tantrums are part of the game.
by chitownhawkeye on May 27, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and...
… Ryan Freel left the game with a strained hamstring.
A DL stint for him would be welcomed — he’s been pretty useless.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 27, 2009 5:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Um, wouldn't a strained hammy suggest that some exertion was involved?
Did he pull it running off or on the field?
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King Leonidas: Spartans! What is your profession?
Spartans: HA-OOH! HA-OOH! HA-OOH!
by Zeke on May 27, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Base running
I can’t recall when exactly, but he pulled it on a base running play. He eased onto the base (I think it was 3rd) and immediately started grabbing his leg as if injured. In the top part of the next inning, Mike Fontenot replaced him.
Aqui viene el Toro Venezolano, Carlos Zambrano, a batear...el lanzamiento...A LO PROFUNDOOO...NOO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NOO...DIGALE QUE NO A ESA PELOTA!! GANAN LOS CACHORROS DE CHICAGO!!
by azul_cachorro on May 27, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When he hit his single....
…he rounded first and “slid” to stop when the OF gathered the ball quickly. He was limping back to first.
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by carmen_fanzone on May 27, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Freel...on base...BLEEP! Does not compute...
Go Green! Go White! GO STATE!
King Leonidas: Spartans! What is your profession?
Spartans: HA-OOH! HA-OOH! HA-OOH!
by Zeke on May 27, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love how all the problem children on the team
Miles, Cotts, Freel are being taken care of today. Patton better watch out.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on May 27, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cleanin' out Lou's doghouse...
Go Green! Go White! GO STATE!
King Leonidas: Spartans! What is your profession?
Spartans: HA-OOH! HA-OOH! HA-OOH!
by Zeke on May 27, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Today we settle all the family's business...
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
by KaliCub on May 27, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm out of player I don't like
which means I’m going to have to start hating Theriot again.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on May 27, 2009 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just when I think I'm out
they pull me back in.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
by KaliCub on May 27, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree my least favorite players are all leaving
but I there are still some pitchers in the bullpen that could use a lil of my dislike
"That's what you live for. You live for the opportunity and when that day comes, you better be ready," Soto said. "I tried to make sure that whenever they gave me a chance, I was ready and I knew I had to take advantage of the opportunity."
by Madison Cub Fan on May 27, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"Do you want a bunch of duds walking around with their shoulders slumped and having no emotions, no feelings?" Bradley said. "I don’t think the fans want that. I think they want a guy who’s going to get into the game and feel a little bit. I’ve always said, ‘I don’t really play baseball, I feel it.’ "
by Villeslgr on May 27, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard that Freel got a strained hamstring when he was racing Farney.
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on May 27, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who comes up?
Scales can’t come right back up after being sent down can he? I’m confused about some of the call-up/down rules.
Derrek Lee is good.
by DGU on May 27, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he can if there is an injury
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on May 27, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perfect time to recall The Substitute.
If he’s not back by the time the Cubs roll into SF, I’ll need to bring a sign.
by LeSaboteur on May 27, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fox, start at 1b
yes? no? maybe so? star 69?
I'm a lefty, maybe Lou should give me a shot for a position in the bullpen!!
by Chanman25 on May 27, 2009 5:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hoff
should be at 1b any opportunity he can get while lee is out……I was a hoff doubter but he has been solid
by cubsmania on May 27, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree...
…Fox should PH and be ready to DH in interleague play. That’s pretty much how Lou said he’d use him when he announced the call up.
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by carmen_fanzone on May 27, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Allright! I get to see Jake DH in all three games at Comerica in June!
And I’m a Tigers fan too, but how they are 4 games up is beyond me.
Go Green! Go White! GO STATE!
King Leonidas: Spartans! What is your profession?
Spartans: HA-OOH! HA-OOH! HA-OOH!
by Zeke on May 27, 2009 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JUST WONDERING ....
Will you be wearing a Cubs Shirt or Tigers ? Or neither ?
by cubs north on May 27, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good question. Definitely going "frocked" for both teams.
In 1984 I was going to cut apart both of my Cubs and Tigers caps and sew them back together as a double-billed cap. I would switch the front of the cap each half inning. Unfortunately, it was never needed ;(
My plan this year: Cubs shirts and Tigers cap and vice versa. I’ve got three games to accessorize.
Go Green! Go White! GO STATE!
King Leonidas: Spartans! What is your profession?
Spartans: HA-OOH! HA-OOH! HA-OOH!
by Zeke on May 28, 2009 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But against a lefty
I say bring on the Foxmeister!
by Poloplaya14 on May 28, 2009 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blanco at 3B?
I think Len and Bob mentioned something about Blanco playing third and first at Iowa – anyone think he should be played as a way to get Fonty to start hitting?
I prefer Fonty at 2B, playing in the Cajun Combo with The Riot.
Aqui viene el Toro Venezolano, Carlos Zambrano, a batear...el lanzamiento...A LO PROFUNDOOO...NOO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NOO...DIGALE QUE NO A ESA PELOTA!! GANAN LOS CACHORROS DE CHICAGO!!
by azul_cachorro on May 27, 2009 6:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Fonty has been hitting the last 4 games
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on May 27, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, I know...
Actually, I think I just enjoy seeing Fonty a little more at 2B. :D
Aqui viene el Toro Venezolano, Carlos Zambrano, a batear...el lanzamiento...A LO PROFUNDOOO...NOO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NOO...DIGALE QUE NO A ESA PELOTA!! GANAN LOS CACHORROS DE CHICAGO!!
by azul_cachorro on May 27, 2009 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta ask: would you translate your signature for me?
Go Green! Go White! GO STATE!
King Leonidas: Spartans! What is your profession?
Spartans: HA-OOH! HA-OOH! HA-OOH!
by Zeke on May 27, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's an ESPN Deportes broadcast
I like their Spanish play-by-play man, Ernesto Jerez.
That’s how he would call home runs.
“Here comes the Venezuelan Bull (nickname in Latin America), Carlos Zambrano, to bat…the pitch…DEEP…NOO, YOU CAN SAY NO TO THE BALL!! THE CHICAGO CUBS WIN!!”
Doesn’t sound too exciting, until you hear it for yourself.
I hope I get to hear him calling it on Sunday, when ESPN Deportes broadcast the Cubs-Dodgers game at 7. :D
Aqui viene el Toro Venezolano, Carlos Zambrano, a batear...el lanzamiento...A LO PROFUNDOOO...NOO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NOO...DIGALE QUE NO A ESA PELOTA!! GANAN LOS CACHORROS DE CHICAGO!!
by azul_cachorro on May 27, 2009 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way,
Jerez called the 2008 Home Run Derby.
He was so overwhelmed by Josh Hamilton’s performance, he let Big Z call one of the home runs…Big Z can definitely call games, lmao.
Aqui viene el Toro Venezolano, Carlos Zambrano, a batear...el lanzamiento...A LO PROFUNDOOO...NOO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NOO...DIGALE QUE NO A ESA PELOTA!! GANAN LOS CACHORROS DE CHICAGO!!
by azul_cachorro on May 27, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great. Thanks.
Go Green! Go White! GO STATE!
King Leonidas: Spartans! What is your profession?
Spartans: HA-OOH! HA-OOH! HA-OOH!
by Zeke on May 28, 2009 7:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and the replay showed....
Soto was safe at home. He got his hand under the tag.
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by carmen_fanzone on May 27, 2009 6:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Another thing about Z's ejection
Believe it or not, some kids still watch baseball. Some kids … no, a LOT of kids … LOVE Z precisely because he plays hard, is a heckuva pitcher, and is entertaining. How do you explain these kind of antics to young kids watching and looking up to the guy? I know ballplayers of every stripe love to abdicate their responsibilities as a role model when times are bad (and soak up the adulation when times are good), but the truth is, kids look up to them. How do you explain to a bunch of Little Leaguers, “Okay, watch Z because he hustles and play hard … oh yeah … erm, um … what he did today was bad, very bad.”
I completely agree with Al. This was childish and uncalled for. I love the guy, love watching him, and love his intensity. But he’s not 21 anymore. He’s the ace of the freaking staff now. Act like it and have some respect for the game and the uniform you wear.
"This chaos is killing me..." - David Bowie, 'Hallo Spaceboy'
by spaceboy2001 on May 27, 2009 6:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And if the team really needs to get 'fired up' like this ...
They shouldn’t be playing at the big league level. Having your manager get thrown out to fire up a team, or starting a fight with an umpire just to get motivated, is BUSH LEAGUE.
"This chaos is killing me..." - David Bowie, 'Hallo Spaceboy'
by spaceboy2001 on May 27, 2009 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And yet....
…..it’s worked many, many times in the history of baseball.
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by carmen_fanzone on May 27, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't make it right
By that logic, spitballs should still be allowed. After all, it worked many, many times in the history of baseball. In fact, several pitchers who relied exclusively on the spitter are in the Hall of Fame.
Just because it’s worked doesn’t make it right. If you need your manager to throw a hissy fit (or your star pitcher to act like a raving loon) to get motivated, you really need a new line of work.
"This chaos is killing me..." - David Bowie, 'Hallo Spaceboy'
by spaceboy2001 on May 27, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure Earl Weaver and Billy Martin...
…would disagree. It’s part of the game, it’s been shown to “fire up” teams in the past. Just because you don’t think it’s “right” doesn’t mean it isn’t something that is used to motivate teams.
Oh, and spitballs are illegal…arguments with umpires are still allowed, so your analogy is pretty pointless.
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by carmen_fanzone on May 27, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It has?
Name some occasions on which a player’s tirade “fired a team up” and then they started winning.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 27, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was focusing more on the manager statement....
…but let me think about the player’s angle and see if I can come up with some examples…
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by carmen_fanzone on May 27, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Managers can do this...
… as Lou did two years ago. That, however, was calculated, as Lou clearly admitted later on.
I’m not sure it works the same way with a player.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 27, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think a player fires up a team by beefing with the umps
A player can do it by throwing inside, or reacting to getting thrown at inside, or sliding hard, or reacting to getting slid hard on…etc.
I’m not sure other players really care that Zambrano beefed with the umps again. And I’m reasonably sure the Dodgers won’t be intimidated by it.
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by Worf on May 27, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, there have been plenty of managers....
…who used a tossing to fire up a dead team without it being “calculated”.
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by carmen_fanzone on May 27, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or, to be cynical...
who took credit for a winning streak shortly after they lost their temper.
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by Worf on May 27, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like when?
Name some teams and managers and specific incidents you can cite that “fired up a dead team” to a winning streak or a playoff spot.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 27, 2009 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't that true of the Z-Barrett slugfest?
Don’t remember much about the team’s situation right then, but it seemed they perked up after that.
Fontenot (fon-te-no): Cajun for "scrappy"
by zambranofan on May 27, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because Lou took the focus off the fight with his tirade the next day.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 27, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So if Lou blows up tomorrow
we’ll have a pattern!
by chitownhawkeye on May 27, 2009 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Billy Martin, Yankees, Game 2 of the 77 playoffs vs the Royals
…on the sliding interference call, to name one.
I’m sure there are instances of Earl Weaver, young Lou in Cincy,and even the man across town doing the same thing.
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by carmen_fanzone on May 27, 2009 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Barrett/Oswalt tilt in 04
Fired up the Astros who marched all the way to the NLCS.
by CaliCub on May 27, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kirk Gibson ST in 1988
Chided the Dodgers for not taking their work seriously and being more concerned with the ol’ shoe polish in the cap gag. Team went onto win 94 games and the World Series.
by CaliCub on May 27, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1980 World Series, Dickie Noles
Brushed back George Brett and sent him sprawling in the dirt, Royals didn’t put up a fight, Phillies went onto win Games 5 and 6.
by CaliCub on May 27, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its entertainment
Z goes off more than most players. But do you really think most major leaguers act like choir boys. Is it better because you can’t hear every F* word that gets thrown around on the field?
My point is that Zambrano is worst than most, but just about every ballplayer has his less than shining moment during his career that kids shouldn’t try to replicate.
by jeff_pico on May 27, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I coach little league and talk to them like little people.
Just like anything in life, you tell them that it was bad and they shouldn’t do it. You cannot shelter all the bad things in the world from the view of the kids, just use it as a life lesson.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
by KaliCub on May 27, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying you should shelter them ...
I didn’t say that or even imply it. You’re right, you can’t shelter them from everything. But you can certainly try as hell to make sure that they learn from what they see.
My two baseball heroes growing up were Pete Rose and Ryne Sandberg. So I don’t need to be lectured about some ballplayers being less than choir boys.
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by spaceboy2001 on May 27, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
woah, who's lecturing...
you asked…How do you explain to a bunch of Little Leaguers, "Okay, watch Z because he hustles and play hard … oh yeah … erm, um … what he did today was bad, very bad."
Your question, not mine. I was merely giving advice from someone that, uh, coaches little leaguers. I also talked to them about Manny situation. Lifes about choices right?
So my view from the Z incident doesn’t even take into account whether kids are watching the games or not. As long as they don’t start taking bats to the umps.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
by KaliCub on May 27, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
I think we agree more than we disagree on this one. What you’re saying is fair and well reasoned.
"This chaos is killing me..." - David Bowie, 'Hallo Spaceboy'
by spaceboy2001 on May 27, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Raise your own kids. Any fool that let's his kids emulate pro atheletes
gets what he deserves. I am sick of using “the kids” as an excuse for anything. He’s going to get punished, you TEACH kids they are responsible for THEIR actions. I thought it was great he cares and I thought it was really funny when he threw the ump out of the game!
by cubswin on May 27, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And you see, this is the demographic you're worried about
A 9-year-old. So, I think you have the right to be concerned.
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by Worf on May 27, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kids emulate whatever they see
You might be able to teach youth they are responsible for their own actions but it’s pretty tough for a kid to comprehend that.
"Do you want a bunch of duds walking around with their shoulders slumped and having no emotions, no feelings?" Bradley said. "I don’t think the fans want that. I think they want a guy who’s going to get into the game and feel a little bit. I’ve always said, ‘I don’t really play baseball, I feel it.’ "
by Villeslgr on May 27, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
actually, it’s not. Be a good parent, and you’ll see how not tough it is.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 27, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is absolutely not.
Kids have many mentors (parents, grandparents, teachers, preachers, coaches, etc.) in their life. They understand much more than you think.
by sue369 on May 27, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To both
I’ll admit I have no children of my own. I do however work with children and you might be surprised at some of the things that a child will say and do when away from their parents and around their peers. Often they might not even know the meaning of what they are doing, they are simply imitating something they have seen.
As far as comprehension I guess my experiences are different. Up until a certain age I’ve noticed that kids don’t fully realize the consequences of their actions. Especially when many of their actions are dictated by an adult. I’ve noticed that moreso than understanding responsibility they are simply following directives that lead to right/acceptable behavior.
"Do you want a bunch of duds walking around with their shoulders slumped and having no emotions, no feelings?" Bradley said. "I don’t think the fans want that. I think they want a guy who’s going to get into the game and feel a little bit. I’ve always said, ‘I don’t really play baseball, I feel it.’ "
by Villeslgr on May 27, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adults imitate things
they see too. What should we do about that?
by sue369 on May 27, 2009 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not advocating anything
I’m not trying to solve a problem. I’m not concerned with what adults do, because they are obviously not children. The ability of a child’s mind to comprehend certain concepts is what I was talking about not the behavior of an adult.
I’m not seeing the discussion being oh you are doing this something needs to be done. I’m only saying that I think somethings can be beyond a child’s comprehension level regardless of how often they are told or taught it.
An adult that behaves like a child? Well I believe that is what started this thread.
"Do you want a bunch of duds walking around with their shoulders slumped and having no emotions, no feelings?" Bradley said. "I don’t think the fans want that. I think they want a guy who’s going to get into the game and feel a little bit. I’ve always said, ‘I don’t really play baseball, I feel it.’ "
by Villeslgr on May 27, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The ability of a child’s mind to comprehend certain concepts is what I was talking about not the behavior of an adult.
Kids are way smarter than you give them credit for.
by Allie on May 27, 2009 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kids are very smart
However there are still things that they are unable to comprehend. Being unable to comprehend something does not mean that you are not smart. It just means you don’t have the tools or the maturity yet.
"Do you want a bunch of duds walking around with their shoulders slumped and having no emotions, no feelings?" Bradley said. "I don’t think the fans want that. I think they want a guy who’s going to get into the game and feel a little bit. I’ve always said, ‘I don’t really play baseball, I feel it.’ "
by Villeslgr on May 27, 2009 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
but even young kids can “get it” if you put things in words they understand.
My niece plays soccer and she knows that the celebrations you see on TV aren’t appropriate for her because in her words “their games are bigger”. And she’s 8.
Everything for her can be a teaching moment, if you’re willing to raise your kids instead of letting the world teach her.
by Allie on May 27, 2009 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, no
Kids learn what they’re taught. If THIS is the only thing they see, then sure, they’ll learn its okay. But if you teach them that this is NOT okay and let them see Z suspended/kicked off the field, they’ll realize this is obviously not okay.
by Allie on May 27, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From what i have noticed
Kids do what they are told. As they get older they then begin to understand the logic behind what they are being told.
I tried to separate with age by using kids and youth but I guess that didn’t come across clearly.
My bad.
"Do you want a bunch of duds walking around with their shoulders slumped and having no emotions, no feelings?" Bradley said. "I don’t think the fans want that. I think they want a guy who’s going to get into the game and feel a little bit. I’ve always said, ‘I don’t really play baseball, I feel it.’ "
by Villeslgr on May 27, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Won't someone
think about the children?
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by Gibbon Jockey on May 27, 2009 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, please....
Yeah, that’s right. Snide remarks and snark are totally appropriate and called for. What was I thinking? God forbid you actually give a s**t and care about what you see and hear.
And yeah, I get it that it’s entertainment. But let’s face it. We wouldn’t be hear commenting on a blog about it if we didn’t think it mattered just a little bit more than that. So don’t give me the whole “it’s just entertainment” excuse. It doesn’t wash.
And as for teaching kids that they are responsible for their actions … duh. I agree with you. But do you really think Z was saying to himself, “Gee, I need to be responsible for my actions.” No, he wasn’t. He was carrying on like a jackass precisely because the ump made a call that he didn’t agree with. And instead of accepting the call (even if you’re angry about it) and bearing down the strike the next guy out, he threw a temper tantrum.
I don’t know how you define “being responsible for your actions,” but somehow I doubt that means “throw a temper tantrum.”
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by spaceboy2001 on May 27, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ssssh
the grown-ups are talking
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by Worf on May 27, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that obviously means you are
not to be taken seriously. You seem to have a daily rant about the Cubs, do you think people think you should be the GM? LOL!!!!
by cubswin on May 27, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
people react
in different ways. Again, this doesn’t work if you decide that Z is a raging lunatic, but then, I don’t think he is.
There’s nothing wrong with getting fired up about a game. You tell the kids “he’s going to get in trouble for that, and if you do it, you’ll get in trouble too.”
Z has no responsibility to your children.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 27, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
your entire argument proves your weakness
what? a kid sees Z blow up on television so that undermines all the work her/his parents or coaches did in trying to teach how one should act in a baseball game or in stressful situations? Gimme a break.
This incident is poor form, but if there is even the slightest hint of gravity to the outcome then it’s YOUR failings as a parent or coach. Do your freaking job and raise your kids well, don’t piss and moan when they see something that you don’t agree with because, guess what, you’ve got a lifetime of those moment to deal with, the least of which is a professional athlete throwing a tantrum.
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by Gibbon Jockey on May 27, 2009 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you explain it by saying
look at what a great player he is! He’s passionate about the game, and he stands up for what he believes in!
But of course, if you think what he did was wrong, I guess that doesn’t work.
What he did today was, in my opinion, not “bad”. He was ticked off, he was goaded by the ump, and he gets to have a human reaction.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 27, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Gatorade Machine
… initiated the contact with Z.
Watch the replay very carefully and you’ll see it.
by 08Cubs on May 27, 2009 6:31 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
That machine
is a punk and had it coming. :-)
by chitownhawkeye on May 27, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That Machine
also taunted Demp on Monday…Demp reacted by punching it….
At least Demp punched it with his left, hehe.
Aqui viene el Toro Venezolano, Carlos Zambrano, a batear...el lanzamiento...A LO PROFUNDOOO...NOO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NOO...DIGALE QUE NO A ESA PELOTA!! GANAN LOS CACHORROS DE CHICAGO!!
by azul_cachorro on May 27, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think
the Gatorade Machine will be the most hated thing about the season this year? :P
Aqui viene el Toro Venezolano, Carlos Zambrano, a batear...el lanzamiento...A LO PROFUNDOOO...NOO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NOO...DIGALE QUE NO A ESA PELOTA!! GANAN LOS CACHORROS DE CHICAGO!!
by azul_cachorro on May 27, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have watched the replay 5 times now
I do not see the ump initiating contact. I see the ump on one knee to make the CORRECT call — funny how that is getting lost — and then standing up when Zambrano is towering over him.
Zambrano CHARGED the ump as well.
I will say that Zambrano’s bump is pretty light. There appears to be very little contact at all between the two men.
Len & Bob immediately say, “Carlos bumped him” and Pat & Ron (so I’m told) didn’t make any allegations toward the ump.
You honestly think Santo, in the heat of the moment, is going to give one rat’s butt about MLB and protecting umps?
So, I disagree with what has become the cause celebre on this board. “The ump started it!”
Let’s review:
Carlos made a wild pitch and failed to adequately block the plate. Then he charged the ump, bumped him (lightly) and acted like an idiot afterwards. And, as Al pointed out, risked his arm and Larry Rothchild’s safety (Not to mention ruined everyone’s chances for yummy Gatorade)
I further disagree with the notion that this is “what this team needs.” The team needs its second-best pitcher to not get suspended at least one start. The team needs its second-best pitcher not to rip his shoulder out.
And forgive me if I’m not planning my vacation around a World Series parade because of two out of three against Pittsburgh. Los Angeles is another matter.
So, I disagree. And I challenge anyone to really find me a replay that shows some egregious behavior by the ump.
He was on one knee. He had every right to stand up when a 6’6" guy is charging at him.
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by Worf on May 27, 2009 6:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You are watching the wrong replay
He was not on his knee at the point of the argument when Z bumped him. You are correct that Z charged him, but there was a gap until the ump moved towards him and made contact. Z shoved the umps left arm with his right hand, the ump tossed him and Z responded by yelling “You touched me” or something similar before having his tantrum.
Ladies and gentlemen! It's 1985 all over again, but this time the offense goes to hell!
by Ross on May 27, 2009 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just watched ESPN's replay
And see the angle you’re talking about. I had been watching Cubs.com’s replay, which I figured would show Zambrano in the best possible light.
That makes it much more clear what happened. And I still blame Zambrano.
The ump is indeed moving closer to Zambrano, and Zambrano brushes him away. While this angle does damn the ump more, it also damns Zambrano because contact is much more severe than I thought.
I do not see the ump touching him first.
But let us say he did. And the ump should be disciplined.
That does not excuse Zambrano for charging a kneeling ump. It does not excuse him from throwing equipment.
The Cubs should actually add a game’s suspension to whatever he gets from MLB.
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by Worf on May 27, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Worf, you seem to hate the team, why not just go away.
Your posts are usually wrong and an just seem to be a childish attempt to show that you are a baseball god. Guess what-wrong on all counts.
by cubswin on May 27, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, more personal attacks
Don’t worry, I won’t bump you.
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by Worf on May 27, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Other than the last sentence, I agree completely with what Worf said
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by Shanghai Badger on May 27, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Z should have taken the charge...
I, too, think Morgan was safe and I think the ump was in the right position to make the call.
When Carlson hit him, Z should have just flopped like a soccer player and writhed around. Probably would have looked something like this:
http://failblog.org/2009/05/27/headbutt-fail/
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by Ross on May 27, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your bias against Zambrano is obviously altering your perception of reality.
Zambrano’s contact was a minimal brush off after the Ump clearly initiated contact. I don’t know how you can say Z charged the ump when he was already standing at home plate. That is just silly. I hope you endorse MLB and the Cubs suspending Lilly for charging out of the dugout to confront the umpire in a game he wasn’t even pitching in. Lilly wasn’t even in the heat of battle like Z was today. Should the Cubs suspend Dempster for smashing the gatorade machine? You need to be consistent when judging the actions of Cubs’ pitchers. It’s too bad Zambrano let the call get to him because he had a really good outing up to that point.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on May 27, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
He charged the ump
The ump was on one knee and Zambrano was charging him. It was a charge of three steps, but a charge nonetheless.
The ump has every right to stand up and not be towered over by a 6’6" man.
I think the Cubs should suspend Zambrano for a game for risking damage to their property. His pitching arm is THEIR property and they paid $90 million for it.
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by Worf on May 27, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Z didn't charge the ump that's just a falst exaggeration and undermines any credibility your argument may have had.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on May 27, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oy vey
You didn’t see that?
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by Worf on May 27, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not the way you
describe it, no.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 27, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Call it whatever you want
But Z moved very quickly towards the Ump in an aggressive manner and was right on top of the ump has he went to stand up.
"Do you want a bunch of duds walking around with their shoulders slumped and having no emotions, no feelings?" Bradley said. "I don’t think the fans want that. I think they want a guy who’s going to get into the game and feel a little bit. I’ve always said, ‘I don’t really play baseball, I feel it.’ "
by Villeslgr on May 27, 2009 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Cubs should suspend Zambrano for a game for risking damage to their property. His pitching arm is THEIR property and they paid $90 million for it.
The Players’ Association would like to have a few words.
So would the civil rights division of the Department of Justice. The Cubs don’t OWN Carlos Zambrano. They pay him a fee for a service.
You’re just agitating now to get responses — a lot like that ump today.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 27, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he were arm-wrestling on the side with his pitching arm
They could void his contract. I see no difference
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by Worf on May 27, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cite
show me where, in his contract, it says he can’t arm wrestle.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 27, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most players have a clause like that
motorcycling, pickup basketball, etc…
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by Worf on May 27, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not sufficient.
show me.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 27, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeff Kent
had to lie to the media and the team about his motorcycle accident
Despite the team’s success that season, Kent’s relationship with the Giants had soured. The Giants front office had lost confidence in Kent after an incident during spring training left him with a broken wrist. Kent had initially claimed that the wrist was broken while washing his truck; ensuing media reports indicated that Kent had crashed his motorcycle while performing wheelies and other stunts, in direct violation of his contract.7
From wikipedia.
It’s a standard feature of most baseball contracts. Most sports contracts, actually. Michael Jordan specifically negotiated a “love of the game” clause, stating he could play pick-up basketball.
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by Worf on May 27, 2009 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
S.H.O.W. M.E.
There’s a hell of a difference between a motorcycle accident and arm-wrestling.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 27, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do not have Zambrano's contract in front of me
But I am positive an all-purpose clause exists.
These guys are paid because of what they can do with their bodies. If they endanger that, they are useless.
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by Worf on May 27, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Once again, you state "facts" that you have
no knowledge of. Very humorous indeed.
by cubswin on May 27, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you cannot make
statements of fact if you don’t have the facts.
Either way, what happens on the field IS part of baseball, and therefore, doesn’t apply anyway.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 27, 2009 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs should actually add a game’s suspension to whatever he gets from MLB.
You MUST be joking.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 27, 2009 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are a fool if you think he didn't block
the plate properly. The ump blew the call and you ALWAYS think you are smarter than everyone else. It’s pathetic reading your slop. You act like the teenager here.
by cubswin on May 27, 2009 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The runner got his hand in
Ergo, the plate wasn’t properly blocked.
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by Worf on May 27, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which hand got in?
The one blocked by Z’s foot or the one he tagged?
by cubswin on May 27, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The left hand
The one he got in. It was the right call. It was a good call.
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by Worf on May 27, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can't even articulate your argument
without making it personsal. THAT, sir or madam, is what is pathetic.
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by Worf on May 27, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are pathetic and arrogant. So sad.
by cubswin on May 27, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stop the namecalling!
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 27, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Gatorade Machine
didn’t break, as one of the Cubs’ trainers later found out. He served himself a drink from it, lol.
That thing is bulletproof. Or rather, Cubs-Starting-Pitchers-proof.
Aqui viene el Toro Venezolano, Carlos Zambrano, a batear...el lanzamiento...A LO PROFUNDOOO...NOO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NOO...DIGALE QUE NO A ESA PELOTA!! GANAN LOS CACHORROS DE CHICAGO!!
by azul_cachorro on May 27, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Were there wood splinters in the liquid?
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by Worf on May 27, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't Kyle Farnsworth take a whack at the Gatorade machine, too?
I know he injured his hand beating up on a wall fan, but I thought I remembered him busting up a Gatorade machine, too.
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by spaceboy2001 on May 27, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the gatorade dispenser..
..is new this year. farnsworth went off on a couple gatorade coolers.
by bikemonkey on May 27, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ted Lilly hasn't had his chance yet
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on May 27, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When Lilly gets done
Gatorade will actually siphon off your electrolytes
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by Worf on May 27, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lucky for the gatorade machine
Ted saves most of his anger for unsuspecting catchers.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on May 27, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure
everyone in the clubhouse will get their chance at beating up the Machine.
Big Z does not endorse Gatorade. Last year, he got out of a game angered by his performance and grabbed a couple coolers and trashed them around the dugout.
I’m sure many of you saw that.
Aqui viene el Toro Venezolano, Carlos Zambrano, a batear...el lanzamiento...A LO PROFUNDOOO...NOO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NOO...DIGALE QUE NO A ESA PELOTA!! GANAN LOS CACHORROS DE CHICAGO!!
by azul_cachorro on May 27, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bravo!
applause
Can’t tell you enough how much I agree with you, Worf. Absolutely 100% agreed.
"This chaos is killing me..." - David Bowie, 'Hallo Spaceboy'
by spaceboy2001 on May 27, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't be afraid of these people
The chorus is growing. Z opened a lot of eyes today as to who he is.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on May 27, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we know who he is...
and some of us are amused that some of you are throwing a bigger fit about Z fit than Z did when he threw it.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 27, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did throw my dog across the yard
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by Worf on May 27, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry, Worf
you’re wrong. The ump was down on one knee, yes, and Z did move towards him, but then the ump advanced several steps, with Z moving backwards, till the ump bumped Z.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 27, 2009 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Respectfully disagree
The ump moved into Z. He initiated contact. I don’t know how you can miss that if you keep watching the replay.
There’s really nothing more I can say — if you cannot see that motion by the ump. Even jackass Vasgergian mentioned that on the MLB Net.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 27, 2009 6:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the contact was at the very least mutual. I don’t know if the ump was ‘baiting’ him or not.
Either way Z gets a suspension, he misses one scheduled start and starts the day after the suspension is lifted. The Cubs will survive and the game was won.
Now lets try to win3 out of 4 from the Dodgers.
by jeff_pico on May 27, 2009 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ump made first contact, Z responded
The video is clear. Carlson moved into Z. Period. He had no reason to do so. Z responded by pushing his arm away. He should not have done that, but there can be no debate about who bumped who first.
Carlson escalated it by moving forward. Umps are supposed to turn around and walk away, not bait the player into a bigger argument.
Ladies and gentlemen! It's 1985 all over again, but this time the offense goes to hell!
by Ross on May 27, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The question is whether the ump TOUCHED Zambrano
There is no question that the ump moved toward him. But I still do not agree that First Contact — heh – was made by the ump.
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by Worf on May 27, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if Z
would’ve styed still then the ump was going to bump him. He was pushing him away before the umps contact was made.
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by KaliCub on May 27, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'll never know, will we?
If the evil genius ump was baiting the player, then he would have stopped short and when Z walked away, he would have gnashed his teeth, twirled his mustache and said, “Curses, foiled again!”
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by Worf on May 27, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WRONG
umpires are not supposed to turn around and walk away. That’s crazy and would lead to bigger, longer arguments.
by ol Pete on May 28, 2009 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are
as always, incorrect.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Z-antics
I’ve been a lifelong Cub fan. I like Z but didn’t think it was wise to sign him to the long term contract he received. Over and done, let’s move on. He needs to grow up and I mean big time. Pinella needs to discipline him and make it hurt. I can understand a once in a blue moon tantrum but this is a character flaw that needs to be dealt with. Management needs to earn there money and fine him or suspend him for a game. Sit him down and have a heart to heart with him and explain the way things will be. He is not above the team. I wouldn’t let my child do that on the ball field when he was growing up and I can’t condone it from a grown man. There is a respect for authority which he seems to be lacking and now is the time to learn about it before it gets any worse. Those who condone his actions need to face life and reality and grow up themselves. Enough said on this, I will not argue or visit this subject again unless it continues. I want to see the Cubs win as much as anyone, but lets win in a way we can be proud of with sportmanship and a respect for others, not filled with tantrums and fits.
by Higgy5 on May 27, 2009 7:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not as pure as you -- but I respect the sentiment
If I truly believed Z’s antics helped the team, I’d support them. But they do not. In the short-term, he is out for at least a start. In the long-term, he is building a reputation of clownishness that umps (and managers) will remember and even exploit.
I’m not a believer in winning the “right way.” To me, if you look up and see you scored more runs, you know you played the game “the right way.”
Zambrano isn’t helping.
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by Worf on May 27, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree.
Z is a horse. In addition to his staff ace status, he’s probably the most “complete” pitcher in the NL. Sure, he can’t throw a major-league curve, but his fielding and hitting are superb. Any team would be glad to snatch up his contract.
by LeSaboteur on May 27, 2009 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said
Well said, Higgy5. (wild applause)
"This chaos is killing me..." - David Bowie, 'Hallo Spaceboy'
by spaceboy2001 on May 27, 2009 7:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's pretty straightforward
Here’s the video. Pretty clear to me who hit who first.
Ladies and gentlemen! It's 1985 all over again, but this time the offense goes to hell!
by Ross on May 27, 2009 7:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The ump probably initiated the contact, what does that prove? If Z backs off even though being tossed and tells the ump he blew the call, which replay shows the ump probably made the right call, then he doesn’t continue to tarnish his already growing reputation as a hothead with childish behavior. He shows maturity that comes with growing up. He starts reversing his character in a positive way.
by Higgy5 on May 27, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Ross.
Some don’t like facts to get in the way of their dislike of Z
by cubswin on May 27, 2009 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that the ump made a small move that resulted in contact
but the irony is that the carefully edited segment that Ross posted isn’t conclusive. It makes it look like a simultaneous move.
by ol Pete on May 28, 2009 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Time for Z to enroll
in an Anger Management program. I was afraid he’d hurt himself or someone else in the tunnel. Jack Nicholson is probably free.
by santo4hof on May 27, 2009 7:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you Al. Z needs to grow up. The umpires are getting more and more agressive.
Does anyone else think Z shouldn’t have even started the 7th inning? He was already at 105 pitches. I thought Lou should have gome with Guzman(7th), Marmol (8th) and Gregg in the 9th. They were all rested. All of this would have been avoided.
by Rick B on May 27, 2009 7:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Is it time to let Dennis Rodman
give a seminar to the Cubs about antics with refs?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 27, 2009 7:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
didn't we win
a couple of championships with Rodman?
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
by KaliCub on May 27, 2009 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rodman has five rings
When Zambrano gets five rings, he can moon the umps for all I care
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by Worf on May 27, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you miss the point
Rodman didn’t change himself to try to win. He won as the person he is.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 27, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right... which means he shut up and played when it was needed
Haven’t seen that from Z yet.
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by Worf on May 27, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you kidding?
were you IN chicago when he was with the Bulls? Rodman was out there ALL THE TIME. When he thought the refs blew a call, he made DAMN sure they knew it.
You can’t change the past to match your definition of the facts. Come ON.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 27, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?
Rodman was way more over the top than Z ever was today.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
by KaliCub on May 27, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He still won five rings
Part of it was that he knew when to turn it on and off.
Also, he had Jordan and Pippen, and Isaiah and Dumars, keeping control of him when needed.
Z has no one like that.
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by Worf on May 27, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Z
needs to kick a cameraman in the nads then
by LT on May 27, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
More importantly...
He needs to change his hair color every week.
by kanderber on May 27, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Part of it was that he knew when to turn it on and off.
o.0 Rodman. DENNIS RODMAN?
yeah, ok. He’s not Data. There was never any off switch. And you make it sound like Z is a blathering fool running through the town square.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 27, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you'd just allow technical balks like I want
Then Z could have gotten one, the batter would have gotten first base and nothing else would have happened!
I kid cause I loves ya drew. I’m going to bed soon!
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by Worf on May 27, 2009 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And
Z doesn’t do this every game either.
I really don’t remember Rodman ever being a good civilized player.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
by KaliCub on May 27, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember him getting clutch rebounds though
And making Karl Malone look silly.
Rings. Z wins rings, he can act like this.
Until then, he’s just a clown.
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by Worf on May 27, 2009 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you miss the point
Rodman acted the fool all the way to the championships not just after.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
by KaliCub on May 27, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone got a link to a replay of the play in question...
…and Z’s meltdown? Thanks!
"I always tell the truth -- Even when I lie"
by calicubfan on May 27, 2009 7:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
i missed it and cannot comment on what happened or not
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 27, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This shows a piece of it...
…but it doesn’t show him throwing the ball or glove.
"I always tell the truth -- Even when I lie"
by calicubfan on May 27, 2009 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So how about Jake Fox?
We’ve finally seen him (and boy does he look goofy without the goatee) in a Cubs uniform.
I wasn’t initially impressed, but he did work that eight-pitch AB and smack a nice double.
by LeSaboteur on May 27, 2009 7:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
it was a nice double
and a very good AB. I don’t think we have to worry about him being overpowered by ML pitchers, and he didn’t flail at the low and away stuff.
However, we’ve yet to see him on the field.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 27, 2009 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Baseball Reference...
…is to be believed, I would rather he never take the field. “A notch below horrific” is positively amazing. I suspect he’ll become that go to guy off the bench we’ve been looking for.
With Freel out (gone?), I’d bring back The Substitute to platoon the infield. The addition of Andy White looks promising; the Cubs could have quite a platoon going…
by LeSaboteur on May 27, 2009 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This I agree with
Baseball reference had him as a “shut your eyes and swing hitter” and I didn’t see that at all.
First major league at-bat and it’s an 8-pitch at-bat resulting in a double? Awesome. And it would have been a good at-bat even if it was a long fly.
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by Worf on May 27, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry sir, but baseball reference..
…also shows that that was NOT his first major league at-bat. He had 15 PA’s in 2007.
by bikemonkey on May 27, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can we change the subject?
Like to how great Reed Johnson’s catch in the ivy was. I’d almost rather talk about how Gregg scared me with his walks at this point.
Oh and I need to apologize to everyone. I changed my nail polish from my normal Cubbie blue to cow patches a week and a half ago (it’s a silly thing I do for work). I didn’t realize that it could have possibly caused the slump until I changed it back to blue and they suddenly started winning again. Sorry.
by katie casey on May 27, 2009 8:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
J'ACCUSE!
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 27, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know the feeling
When I stopped wearing the tangerine-colored thongs, they started winning.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on May 27, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
out mental image.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
by KaliCub on May 27, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't you dare change that color again.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 27, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glad you didn't reply to Worf.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
by KaliCub on May 27, 2009 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I won't.
July would be the next time to do that, but they are playing the Cardinals then. I’d rather risk bad luck at work than get swept again.
by katie casey on May 28, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder what Z's teammates were thinking...
during Zambrano’s thing today. Were they thinking “geez what’s this idiot doing?” Or were they thinking “haha this is great?” Or did it fire them up to see their starting pitcher react accordingly?
I’m going with a combination of the latter two.
by kanderber on May 27, 2009 9:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Someone said they
were laughing when he hit the Gatorade machine.
by sue369 on May 27, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Marmol the proud papa of a baby boy or baby girl?
With all the nonsense that went on today, I haven’t heard any info about the newest Cub.
Anybody have any info?
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on May 27, 2009 9:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
L&B said baby girl
Coraline? Something like that.
by Allie on May 27, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks!
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on May 27, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Charlie Marbles
is a Neil Gaiman fan? That’s awesome.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 27, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's his second child.
I didn’t even know he was married.
by sue369 on May 27, 2009 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
judging from some pictures that have been floating around the web
there’s a question as to whether HE knows he’s married
by WanderingWanderer on May 28, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My only and final thought on the game: Gregg didn't deserve a save.
2 freakin’ walks in the 9th with an almost-HR including a base running blunder? Nope….
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on May 27, 2009 9:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
three outs.
THAT’s what counts for a save.
Of course he deserved it.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 27, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did Jordan ever sang the 7th inning stretch?
Why don’t they bring him often?
by cubsnlinux on May 27, 2009 10:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know. Is
that something he would even do?
by sue369 on May 27, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My vote would go to Farney. Freel tells me that Farney is a great singer.
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on May 27, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he might not. But that's what the great Cubs marketing team there for
by cubsnlinux on May 27, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
would he not be a White Sox fan.
He did play for them.
"Do you want a bunch of duds walking around with their shoulders slumped and having no emotions, no feelings?" Bradley said. "I don’t think the fans want that. I think they want a guy who’s going to get into the game and feel a little bit. I’ve always said, ‘I don’t really play baseball, I feel it.’ "
by Villeslgr on May 27, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why do we need a conductor anyway?
why not just have the organ play?
by Allie on May 27, 2009 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
jordan
i’m about 95% sure he has sung once or twice. couldn’t give you dates but he has done it.
Also can we keep D-Lee out of the lineup? I think the Hoff is twice the hitter he is at this point. I’ll give up the D.
"Hello again, everybody. It's a bee-yooo-tiful day for baseball." -Harry Caray
by louisiana lumberman on May 28, 2009 12:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Check the numbers, DLee has
had a way better May than Hoff and was one of the few Cubs hitting before he got sick.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on May 28, 2009 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Additionally, there is a whole other half to the game...
… some call it “defense”, i believe. Yeah… Lee is better at that.
I want Hoff’s bat in the lineup as much as anyone. I just don’t want it at the expense of one our better hitters in May, and one of our better defensive players holding down an inexperienced infield.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on May 28, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel sory for that new water-cooler machine.
Check on MLB.com for Bradley saying that he told teamates he wouldn’t be the one to break the machine. he was right.
by Fraggin Judge on May 28, 2009 4:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It fired up the team
I get it. Reed Johnson saw Zambrano and said I’m going to hit a HR.
The antics didn’t do crap except get him suspended.
by rlpete on May 28, 2009 8:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Here is my take: After Soriano's error (reason why Morgan was even on 3rd)...
Z was ready to snap. Someone probably should have went out after THAT play to talk to him… Soto, Lou, Rothschild, ANYONE…Maybe the outcome would have been different. Carlson clearly initiates the contact but Z probably shouldn’t have been in that situation in the first place. I am sure he is going to get 10 days for the contact and the ball throw.
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by Fishbone2 on May 28, 2009 8:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Makes sense – good point, but I don’t think he’ll get a long suspension.
by ol Pete on May 28, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am sure he will get 5 for contact...
and another 5 for inciting the crowd with the ball throw. 2 games for a position player or 2 starts for a pitcher.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on May 28, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're sure?
I’d say the umpire giving the slight shoulder into Z will muddy things up. MLB can sidestep the whole thing with a few days and a big fine. That’s my guess. None of it will matter.
by ol Pete on May 28, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't be surprised...
The way the Cubs have been lately with the incidents with Bradley, Lilly, now Z. I wouldn’t be surprised if MLB said, “enough is enough” and comes down hard. Z created a pretty big side show yesterday. MLB frowns upon that. Carlson did muddy things up but the bottom line is you can’t do what Z did and expect it not to “matter.”
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on May 28, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would have to agree with that
I’m afraid MLB is going to crack down
by WanderingWanderer on May 28, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cubs
maybe z and bradley can get this team fired up.we need johnson out there more often too.dont use the injuries as an excuse. step it up and get the job done.
by NOMAR on May 28, 2009 8:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wait, we can't use the fact that many of our best players...
… haven’t been on the field to drive in runs, play defense, pitch at a high level… as a reason we haven’t won as many games?
So, by that logic, talent on the field doesn’t matter?
Its all luck?
We shouldn’t play the games?
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on May 28, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why do people think screaming, whining, and bitching fires anyone up?
When one of my teammates freaked out like Zambrano did (or something close to it, I’ve never personally seen anyone lose it the way he did), or constantly blames the umps the way Bradley does, we usually rolled our eyes and went about our business.
The number of people who think Z’s freakout had more to do with the win than Zach Duke leaving the ball game blows my mind
by WanderingWanderer on May 28, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quick thought about umpires
I am reading a book called Pillars of the Earth, there is a line in the book that says something like, a young, strong man can get into a fight, but a wise man can stay out of a fight. This came to mind when thinking about umpires over the past year or two. They are major league umps, it should be very simple for them to keep control of a situation without being confrontational.
But this is similar to PED’s, and the splintering bats, little will be done until something forces MLB to take action.
Chicago Cubs baseball is on the air...
by slocs55 on May 28, 2009 8:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Very
good book you are reading!
"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg
by gwood on May 28, 2009 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My friend just gave it to me last week.
Only 50 pages in but it definitely has my attention, will tell you how I like it when I finish it in 10 years.
Chicago Cubs baseball is on the air...
by slocs55 on May 28, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it’s never time to grow up. Way to go Z. give him a piece of your mind.
by stonepiano on May 28, 2009 9:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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