Overflow Thread 3: Cubs vs. Dodgers, Thursday 5/28, 7:05 CT
by Al Yellon on May 28, 2009 9:45 PM CDT
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I really want to see Scales
MAKE THEM PAY!
"[I]f we get a Jumbotron, I can't pull the instant replay thing on all the rookies. Every time there's a good play, we're like, 'Oh, look at the replay,' and you get the rookies to look at the scoreboard." - Ryan Dempster, 2 January 2009
by CaughtInTheVines on May 28, 2009 9:53 PM CDT reply actions
good game
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
Bases loaded, one out!
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 28, 2009 9:53 PM CDT reply actions
clapidy clapidy claps
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
is this the we win in the 9th thread?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
HELLS YEAH
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions
wish i was @ wrigley right now....
not that u guys aren’t fun…but….
I know
It’s more fun in person.
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 28, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions
too many players used
no versatilty here, have to trust scales to come thru
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
not sure
but he weighs less, so less wind drag
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
the fat lady will sing
her Scales
"I showed him the cheese then punched him out with the yakker." -- Eck
good count
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
MAKE THEM PAY
"[I]f we get a Jumbotron, I can't pull the instant replay thing on all the rookies. Every time there's a good play, we're like, 'Oh, look at the replay,' and you get the rookies to look at the scoreboard." - Ryan Dempster, 2 January 2009
by CaughtInTheVines on May 28, 2009 9:55 PM CDT reply actions
LET'S GO SCALES!
Clap, clap, clap-clap-clap!
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 28, 2009 9:56 PM CDT reply actions
Scales
strikes out. Two outs. Bases loaded. Fox to the plate.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
at l;east swing it like you mean it
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
doh!
"[I]f we get a Jumbotron, I can't pull the instant replay thing on all the rookies. Every time there's a good play, we're like, 'Oh, look at the replay,' and you get the rookies to look at the scoreboard." - Ryan Dempster, 2 January 2009
by CaughtInTheVines on May 28, 2009 9:56 PM CDT reply actions
Okay, come on, Fox!
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 28, 2009 9:56 PM CDT reply actions
Let's see what everyone is talking about
Show us why you are sooo damn wanted by everyone Jake. Park that ball
The sun will shine in '69
I'll take a WP
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
That's what happens when you rely on Iowa to win a major league game
by WanderingWanderer on May 28, 2009 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah,
because the other guys on the team were hitting the ball all over the park.
"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." ~ Frank Sinatra
Pitches weren't that close
I can see where a minor leaguer whiffs on a close pitch, but both those were low and in the dirt. Methinks Scales and Fox were trying a little too hard to be the hero.
I should have said when you HAVE to rely on Iowa
because your “major leaguers” are either hurt, or terrible
by WanderingWanderer on May 28, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
very bad at bats in key situations the last two innings.
we should’ve won this game. we could not execute basic fundamentals. embarrassing.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie
by buckmulligan on May 28, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions
err, go get em tomorrow
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
:::::sigh:::::
"[I]f we get a Jumbotron, I can't pull the instant replay thing on all the rookies. Every time there's a good play, we're like, 'Oh, look at the replay,' and you get the rookies to look at the scoreboard." - Ryan Dempster, 2 January 2009
by CaughtInTheVines on May 28, 2009 9:58 PM CDT reply actions
Swung at ball two.
CaliCub, you jinxed it. I had my flag ready … I’ll make it tomorrow.
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 28, 2009 9:58 PM CDT reply actions
christ.
that was a tough one. not having much fun right now.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie
AUGH
S.O.B.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
scuffling...
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah." - Abe Simpson
Oh well. Lets get em tomorrow.
"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." ~ Frank Sinatra
Least clutch team ever
Rami in this inning sure would have been nice.
+many
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah." - Abe Simpson
Is Wells going to be another hard luck pitcher who can't get run support?
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah." - Abe Simpson
Wow...now there's some statistical back up. SHEESH, that's awful.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah." - Abe Simpson
looks that way
He could easily have 3 wins already.
team has no abilty to hit on the clutch
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
Later all
I will go rest my neck 9AUIGH!!!)
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
All right, I'm off.
See you guys tomorrow. Let’s get them then.
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 28, 2009 10:00 PM CDT reply actions
Well it was fun all, a better result would have been nice
but there is always tomorrow. adios!
cmon, guys
it was a 2-1 game. We had chances to come back late in the game, and our bench nearly came through for us. I don’t see this as a terrible loss. It sucks, but Wells is REALLY becoming impressive, Guzman pitched well, and Scales and Fox are both doing well.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
+Non ledge jumpers
"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." ~ Frank Sinatra
And then the Godfather
and then Bull Durham
And drink scotch!
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
fair enough
enjoy them with whatever comfort food or drink you like
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
Just know that it was made in 1972
it’s pacing is different from today’s movies. Slower, more relaxed, etc…
Some people — my wife — can’t get that. I love her more than I love anything, but she doesn’t get old movies.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
I love gangster movies usually
I loved Scarface. I enjoyed the first couple seasons of the Sopranos.
This is much more relaxed
Please let us know when you’ve watched it. It’s worth an OT thread.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
Sorry Drew
This looked just like the Pads series. Nothing for 7 2/3 innings and a big ol tease in the ninth.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
that's baseball.
There’s no shame in getting beat by Randy Wolf, for pete’s sake. We kept it close, we played fairly good D (although I did miss the first few innings), we got beat, but the kids who have been called up look like they’re going to be able to make a real contribution. I mean, Bobby Scales was on a bus to Iowa yesterday, and he was very nearly a hero today.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I would agree
and I like Fox a lot
But it’s getting late early, you know?
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
9 losses in 11 games
and almost all of those losses because of a lack of offense. This wasn’t one game, it was the continuing of a trend
by WanderingWanderer on May 28, 2009 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
All true...
….and as they say, cold comfort is better than no comfort at all.
"[I]f we get a Jumbotron, I can't pull the instant replay thing on all the rookies. Every time there's a good play, we're like, 'Oh, look at the replay,' and you get the rookies to look at the scoreboard." - Ryan Dempster, 2 January 2009
by CaughtInTheVines on May 28, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
i see this as a terrible loss.
we should have won this game and couldn’t execute. in golf terms, we were just throwing strokes away out there. hate that kind of game. i’d rather get shutout like in the cardinals series.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie
by buckmulligan on May 28, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
we had multiple chances
and didn’t take advantage of them. Hard to happy with that.
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
Fair enough, but
I liken this to a postseason type game, given the level of competition. Sure, the Dodgers are the best team in MLB right now and other teams have lost one-run games to them, but you’d still like to see the Cubs find a way to win a tight contest against a tough opponent. That’s why I’m bummed about tonight.
"we" are? Really?
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah." - Abe Simpson
Lord, I would hate to see them sleeping.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah." - Abe Simpson
we scored 1 run. How are we waking up?
by WanderingWanderer on May 28, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
got some timely hits
just not timely enough.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
not timely enough? Dude, only in horshoes and handgrenades does close cut it.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah." - Abe Simpson
you have to be kidding me
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
I think that "not timely enough" will go down in history as the best line ever.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah." - Abe Simpson
seriously, no offense, but that might be one of
dumbest things I ever heard.
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
the "not timely enough" that is
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
I'm all for trying to find the silver lining, but that's nonsensical
I’m fairly certain I’ve seen you say on more than one occasion that the only stat that counts is the final score.
by WanderingWanderer on May 28, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions
wins
the only stat that counts is wins. We got hits, just not enough of them at the right time. I don’t see what’s so complicated about that.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
what's complicated is being content with it.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah." - Abe Simpson
who says I'm content?
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess I am reading that emotion into your posts. Sorry for implying.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah." - Abe Simpson
no
but I do try to take the positive away from any loss.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
to each their own. I find it harder to since I live in St. Louis and I get crap rubbed in my face constantly.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah." - Abe Simpson
well, ok
I guess.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions
You are the Ying to my Yang, the zig to my zag, etc...
I just am a little more doom and gloom knowing that I have to deal with shitheads the next day at work. Please keep that in mind when I vent (if possible). I am a loyal post reader, but I don’t take the time to actually log in and post frequently. You I can handle, Not Bruce makes me crazy though.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah." - Abe Simpson
I haven't seen NB on
in a few days, although I did take almost a week off.
I’ll keep in mind that you live in Cub Hell. :D
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
so the hits we got weren't timely
or we would have won right?
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
are you suggesting that more timely hits
would not have helped?
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm saying there is no such thing as "more timely"
there is only a timely hits, and we didn’t get them, or for that matter timely contact.
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
not more timely as in less timely
more timely as in fewer timely.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I am confused as to what you are saying here...
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah." - Abe Simpson
Sure wish we had some of that fight early in the game then
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah." - Abe Simpson
if by fighting back, you win striking out twice with the bases loaded......
by WanderingWanderer on May 28, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
THey had lots of life yesterday.....
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah." - Abe Simpson
Perhaps too much?
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah." - Abe Simpson
true I was just thinking that
I’m watching this year from the periphery and what I’m seeing is a struggling team that sometimes manages to put it in gear but mostly is grinding the clutch… I still think they’ll get it together in the next few weeks
I certainly hope so...
I am taking a beating down here in St. Louis. Stupid Cardinal fans……
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah." - Abe Simpson
It suck-diddily-ucks
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah." - Abe Simpson
Don't put up with any grief from them
I married one. DO NOT let them get a foothold. They will never let you forget it.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
You sorry, sorry individual. Damn.
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah." - Abe Simpson
absolutely
don’t get me wrong — I wanted to win too. But we didn’t exactly get crushed.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll apologize for the apologist...
Sorry, I just try to find the silver lining in every loss…..or something like that. Right?
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah." - Abe Simpson
I make no apologies
take the positive, leave the negative. Move on to the next game. What else can we do?
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I wish I did on weekdays. I will have to bank it for tomorrow!!!!!!
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah." - Abe Simpson
To alcohol! The cause of and solution to all of life's problems (and the cubs)
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah." - Abe Simpson
indeed!
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah." - Abe Simpson
She really doesn't like baseball
she’s more of a Cards fan in theory. She’ll watch the playoffs if I take her out for wings and beer.
But she’ll wear the Cards hat and snark at me.
Good thing she’s hot.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
This was finally a wise move on his part
"I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah." - Abe Simpson
later everyone, close games are like this
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
bullpen did well
bats seemed to have gone back to sleep. big chance at the end there. kinda sux
by brian custer on May 28, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Lacking the magic
I don’t want to base too much on one game, which I know is dangerous, but I have been watching this team all year, and I have to say, they just lack the magic that I’ve seen in the great Cub teams of my lifetime. The 1984 Cubs, the 1989 Cubs or last year’s squad, would have found a way to win tonight, even if they had hit into 4 double plays. Getting men on first and second with no one out in both the 8th and 9th and not being able to score is the mark of a team that just lacks that certain something. Maybe they’ll eventually find it – I hope so. But at the moment, I just don’t see a lot of life here.
"They found a delivery in my flaw." - Dan Quisenberry
Similar to the NLDS last year
Since ARam went down, the Cubs seem to be playing with the same kind of tightness they showed during the NLDS last October. Maybe overcompensation for their 3B going down?
Strike Zone
Soriano, Scales and Fox all expanded their strike zones and struck out on pitches that were no where near the strike zone.
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -- George Santayana (1863-1952)
Soriano has no strike zone
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
Watched the game on MLB
Dan Plesac had an interesting comment in the tird inning. He said Soriano is much more selective early in the game. But late in the game, you don’t haver to throw him a strike. He will strike himself out.
Guess he nailed that one.
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -- George Santayana (1863-1952)
actually, it's with the bases empty, and anyone on
he wants to be the hero, and swings at everything with runners on. With the bases empty he’s somewhat selective
by WanderingWanderer on May 28, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Soriano
Isn’t capable of concentrating for more than a few pitchers per AB…if that. He’s lucky he has freakish strength for a guy his size or he’d be toiling in AA for the better part of the past decade.
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions
So Frustrating
Nothing you can really do. A team full of guys who simply do not execute. Fundamental baseball has been missing in Chicago for the last 5 or so years and it doesnt look like it is comig back soon. We were able to slug our way past it last year in the regular season and were exposed in the post season. Our injuries have exposed it earlier this year.
Goats of the game: Soriano, Theriot, Johnson.
Adios Playoffs
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
I am as pessimistic as they come but after 46 games,
that is a tad much huh?
"How's your mother?"
"She's on her way out."
"We all are. Act accordingly."
by louslovechild on May 28, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
No, they have no real threats in this lineup w/o Ramirez
And the bullpen is still shit, and Soriano still chases sliders
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Soriano being shit I agree with
Bullpen is straightening itself out. Fox, Scales, and Blanco, offensively and defensively, look better than other options. We will find our upswing.
"How's your mother?"
"She's on her way out."
"We all are. Act accordingly."
by louslovechild on May 28, 2009 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I didnt say Soriano was shit
I said he cant be relied on when it counts, D Lee has AAA power, Ramirez wont be the same when hes back, Soto’s in the quintessential sophomore slump, Fontenots being exposed….how can this team win the Division?
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by getting
more wins than anyone else in the division.
See, it’s basic math…
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
:D
night
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Playoffs are certainly still realistic
But it seems clear that this team does not “it.” Cant really define it, but it is some combination of fundamentals, clutchness and winning when you arent playing your best. The Cubs dont have either of those three right now.
wild card
at least, for sure. nl leaset & bwest suck
by brian custer on May 28, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions
we're fourth in our own division
not sure how you can claim we’re getting the wildcard “for sure”
by WanderingWanderer on May 28, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't know how long I can deal with this...
I’ve watched, listened, or gametracked at least a part of every single game this season, and it’s just as frustrating now as it was before.
It’s no longer early, it’s no longer injuries. I’m more than worried about the build of this team, and the fact that we had two might-as-well-be rookies in the clutch. Ramirez being out hurts, but it doesn’t equal five wins. This is reminding me so much of 2004 = a team of headcases, underachieving, restless natives (fans) booing every single bad thing that happens… don’t get me wrong, I remain completely optimistic, but I’m starting to realise that this isn’t going to be an easy season.
Make it happen baby: Cubs, Jaguars, FSU, Jazz, Thrashers.
I'll just try and beat the obligatory "Then leave" comments that will surely come
and say I don’t disagree with you
by WanderingWanderer on May 28, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Leave? Why?
I said I was still optimistic, even though there really isn’t much reason to feel that way.
I’m still here, no matter how it goes.
Make it happen baby: Cubs, Jaguars, FSU, Jazz, Thrashers.
by camnorris14 on May 28, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Optimism
No reason to ever be optimistic regarding the Cubs, is the way I see it. Expect the worst; hope for the best. So far, I’ve been watching them for 35 years, and the best has yet to happen.
"They found a delivery in my flaw." - Dan Quisenberry
Wasn't Rami's VORP = like 6 wins last year?
He’s really valuable…
but i agree with you on a lot of this. its not really “early” anymore. and this is starting to become a disturbing pattern.
With Billingsly going tomorrow,
runs will be at a minimum. Does Lou play Scales and Fox?
"How's your mother?"
"She's on her way out."
"We all are. Act accordingly."
I think the Fontenot experitment must end
Run scales and Fox out there and try to score some runs.
As poorly as Fontenot has hit
his fielding at third base is even worse. Fox cannot be a whole lot worse.
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -- George Santayana (1863-1952)
I dunno, that grounder was right at fox, and he still fumbled a bit.
Gonna be interesting when he has to range at all
by WanderingWanderer on May 28, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions
+1 fontenot is bringing nothing to the team right now.
give Fox a chance
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
I'd be willing to wager he won't play both
One will be in the lineup though. And to be fair, Scales is 2 for his last 18. The homer was nice, but he’s not exactly the instant offense he was when he was first called up
by WanderingWanderer on May 28, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions
To be honest
I don’t expect anything less than Billingsley shoving it up their ass tomorrow. Sad but true.
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
if by luck, you mean better play, and a better roster, then yes
by WanderingWanderer on May 28, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions
joe has some sort of pull
over these millionaire man-children. it is unexplainable…
by brian custer on May 28, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
he's actually a competent manager.
We just haven’t seen that for a long, long time in Chicago
by WanderingWanderer on May 28, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions
no concept of the strike zone
Soriano has no idea where the strike zone ala Slammin Sammy. If only he was asked to bunt, but I guess that’s beneath him. He has his nerve to tell cub fans to be patient. Come on Lou. Ask some of these guys to bunt when it’s called for. It’s called fundamentals.
I asked earlier in the game if anyone on this team actually has a sac bunt other than a pitcher
I honestly doubt it. You saw Reed Johnson try to lay one down, and it was sad. He is usually exactly the type of player who should be able to do that. Same with Theriot, but I never see them do it. Honestly this game could have been changed early on, when Lee lead off an inning with a double. If Reed bunts him over to third, many, many things could have happened to get him in.
Instead Reed swings away, grounds to third, and Lee is frozen at 2nd
by WanderingWanderer on May 28, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Johnson has
Fukudome has.
And Johnson moved two runners over to second and third with a sac grounder.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions
By luck
Screwing up two bunts and then getting lucky you hit the ball poorly is no substitute for competence.
Yea right
its a pure crapshoot. Come on now. Being an apologist is one thing but give me a break.
It counts
but it should not be taken as a sign of Johnson’s talent or fundamentals. He came up to bunt. He failed at that. Simply because the guys ended up at second third on a slow roller should not take away from the fact that he failed in a fairly routine task that he should excel at.
Good night all
enjoy talking to you all.
Rough night, but its a long season.
did he advance the runners?
yes. Baseball is a game where if you succeed three times out of ten, you have a shot at the hall of fame. Give me a break.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions
it was a FC, not a sac grounder
and it was after he failed miserably at laying down a bunt
by WanderingWanderer on May 28, 2009 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions
he moved the runners
which is what he was supposed to do. Who cares HOW he did it?
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I care. Because chances are it won't work out that way the next time he can't get a bunt down
fundamentals are an important part of the game. Yes luck plays a part, but good teams find a way to make their own luck.
by WanderingWanderer on May 28, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually
Johnson rounded out weakly to SS and both runners advanced. It wasn’t a sacrifice, but it achieved the same result.
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -- George Santayana (1863-1952)
we'd all be happier
had he shot one up the middle. But he moved the runners over.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
actually, I'd have been happier had he been able to execute the bunt he was asked to do
by WanderingWanderer on May 28, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions
that wasn't going to happen
bunting the runners over should have been a pretty doable task.
Nice strawman though
by WanderingWanderer on May 28, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions
wasn't trying to do strawman
i’m just annoyed we lost.
esp since we SHOULD be able to hit Wolf really well, and have in the past.
But according to certain posters on here, you would never ask Arod or Pujols or those guys to bunt so you cant ask Soriano.
1. He bats leadoff. If you want to bat leadoff, at least do some of the things leadoff hitters do.
2. He is not like Pujols or Arod. He is hitting 250. In his good years he can hit 280. He does not run well anymore, he doesnt pay good defense, he is very easy to pitch too and he doesnt mke the fundamental plays. Say whatever you like, you dont ask Pujols to bunt because chances are he is going to do something wel. You do ask Soriano to bunt because chances are he is going to flail away at low outside sliders.
exactly
and he sucks in the clutch because his lack of a strike zone
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
he runs better this year
than he did last year. He’s the best LF in the league. He’s made several very good running plays this month alone.
You don’t ask Soriano to bunt.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Good night all!
Off to finish this scotch. The morn will get here very early!
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
Night, kiddo
Hey, sorry if I was a jerk over the that one thing earlier in the day I lost track of who was who there, but I remember you were involved.
See more movies!
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
I might try some Baileys
I like the sweet stuff
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on May 28, 2009 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Say it outloud,
the Cubs are relying heavily one players from AAA. That does not get you into the playoffs. There is no way to dispute that.
Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.
I never thought I'd end a game...
Breaking an oscillating fan, and calling bob costas a bad name, lol…
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." --Alvin Dark
by preachermancubsfan on May 28, 2009 10:30 PM CDT reply actions
The Bigger Picture
Look, I have my reservations about the Cubs making the postseason this year. I’m even doubting they end up with more than 83 wins. So I try looking at the bigger picture and assess if they have the type of organization that, year-in and year-out, will be a contender.
My answer is “yes”…if the Ricketts sale goes through soon, and if the new ownership will realize the value of a productive farm system. Crane Kenney has been on record saying how much he wants to emulate the Red Sox organization, and I hope that includes their resurgent minor league system along with the cool ballpark and the nationwide fan base.
The next best thing to world championships and pennants is consecutive years of contention. And by that I don’t mean the mediocre “competitive within the division” soft stuff that Andy MacPhail peddled for 12 years. I’m talking a Braves-like run of 10+ postseason appearances fueled by wise spending and well-rounded farm products. Which I think is entirely doable so long as Tom Ricketts doesn’t turn cheap and the scouting-development department is well funded and well staffed.
With the revenue the Cubs can bring in
and the market they play in, there is no reason for them not to be able to have a run like the Braves did… If we’re able to get the right people in charge and do the right things.
And if the sale ever finally gets completed.
You hit the nail on the head
“If we can get the right people in charge” I’m not remotely certain we have that right now
by WanderingWanderer on May 28, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
We may
or we may not.
But we need someone who KNOWS who can tell. Does Theo Epstein have a younger brother or something? He’s done pretty well.
What (or who) is holding up the sale?
Is Tom Ricketts waiting for a loan to come through? Is Sam Zell waffling? Is the Trib still waiting for the 2/3 owner majority to approve the transaction?
Ricketts is having problems coming up with the money, and the Tribune going through bankruptcy isn't helping
by WanderingWanderer on May 28, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not really sure
all the finacial stuff is completely over my head.
Apparently Zell is trying to make Ricketts pay closing costs and Ricketts doesn’t agree. Or something.
But its dragging. And I’d like for it to stop. :-P
LOU PINIELLA IS AN ABSOLUTE IDIOT
And should be fired. how does Hoofpauer sit on the bench while we watch Scales and fox bat in the 9th?
See ya LOu…..good riddance you overrated old piece of shit!
No one has been more critical of Lou than me
but there was NOTHING wrong with Scales and Fox batting. Scales already had a homer and Fox had hit both in the inning before and in his previous at bat yesterday. Hoff is not THAT good . Lou has made many, many bad moves but that was not one of them.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on May 28, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Respectfully disagree.
You need a ball in the air. Hoff is your best choice. I don’t care if Sori has to come in and plat 2B. You need to make sure you get that run in before you can worry about making it to the 10th. With Hoff’s plate coverage and ability to put the ball in the air he was certainly the best choice. No doubt about it.
Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.
I agree, Jessica. The thing that confuses me is why he had Blanco
and Fontenot in the game batting back-to-back. Wolf’s splits verus lefties is sick. No way LBR should have been in this game. Scales should have been at second or third base. I think that move backfired on Lou bigtime.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on May 28, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I think maybe Lou should give Soriano a game off..
…does anyone agree?
by Cubs and Hawks fan on May 29, 2009 2:13 PM CDT reply actions
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