Umpires Gone Wild
by Al on May 28, 2009 8:57 AM CDT
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This part of the "General Instructions To Umpires" that appears in MLB Rule 9 has been quoted on this site before, but this morning it bears repeating:
You are the only official representative of baseball on the ball field. It is often a trying position which requires the exercise of much patience and good judgment, but do not forget that the first essential in working out of a bad situation is to keep your own temper and self-control.
Many major league umpires seem to have forgotten that simple rule. It's a rule of courtesy and professionalism, more so than an "instruction". Instead, umpires seem to go out of their way to be confrontational; the Cubs have been involved in several incidents with umpires already this season. The players involved -- Milton Bradley, Ted Lilly and Carlos Zambrano -- are not blameless, certainly; but all three incidents could have wound up with different resolutions had the umpires simply walked away, at least until a coach or Lou Piniella could have come out of the dugout and helped defuse the situation. Does it seem to you as if Lou doesn't get out of his seat as fast as he used to? In an incident like yesterday's, the manager or a coach has to be in the player's face right away to help prevent things from escalating.
It's as if the umpires want to head home and watch themselves on "Baseball Tonight" or the MLB Network. Umpires are best when fans and players go home from the game and don't even think about them. They should be invisible, simply making their best decisions. Granted, some close calls are going to go against one team or another and arguments, like yesterday's, are going to ensue. When that happens the umpire has the responsibility to not allow the situation to escalate.
Mark Carlson failed in that responsibility yesterday. The video replays are clear. Carlson turned his arm into Carlos Zambrano almost as if to say, "I don't like what you're doing and so I'm going to initiate contact so I can file a report that will get you suspended." That's what set Z off -- I can't read lips, but if any of you can, take a look at the video. It appeared that Z said to him, "YOU touched ME -- I'm going to throw YOU out of the game!"
As Cubs fans, we don't see many of the close calls that involve other teams, so I can't say how many similar incidents there have been in recent years. We all did hear, though, about the incident involving umpire Paul Schrieber and the Tigers' Magglio Ordonez in which Schrieber put his arm on Ordonez after calling him out on strikes and Mags argued. Ordonez was at no time combative, as you can see in this video:
Schrieber was forced to apologize. This would have been a perfect opportunity for someone, anyone (I wouldn't expect the feckless Bud Selig to do it) in the commissioner's office to stand up and say that they weren't going to tolerate bad umpire behavior any more. They did so in the incident involving Bradley and umpire Mike Winters two years ago after which Winters was suspended for "escalating the situation". It seems to me that Mark Carlson "escalated" yesterday's "situation" by deliberately bumping Z so that he could file a report recommending a suspension. Even though Z himself admitted he shouldn't have done what he did:
"I apologize to [Carlson]," he said. "After he kicked me out, I should've gone to the clubhouse and kept watching the game."
... I believe the incident was made worse by Carlson. The last sentence of the "General Instructions To Umpires" linked above says:
Finally, be courteous, impartial and firm, and so compel respect from all.
Was Carlson firm? Yes. Was he courteous and impartial? I think not. This is a good moment for baseball to get umpires back on that path. Let's hope they take the opportunity.
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Its unfortunate
but nothing will be done until there’s a “serious” situation between a player or coach and an umpire. Instead of being proactive, most of society today is reactive.
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by blackhawk24 on May 28, 2009 9:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
YES AND SOONER THAN LATER....
There is going to be a major incident that occurs on the field . It’s a fine line for both umpires and players and the coaching staff . I would have thought that Soto could have got between Z and the ump before he did…..
by cubs north on May 28, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HEY!
I thought this was going to be a post with pictures of UMPIRES taking their shirts off.
“Umpires GONE WILD!”
by TheHawkRules on May 28, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
um
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HAHA!
There you go… need to post some more pictures and have everyone vote on worst UMPIRE picture.
by TheHawkRules on May 28, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 28, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
gee, thanks Al
that helped. :P :P :P
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
just for the hell of it
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 28, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about this one?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 28, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess
when I looked at that one on google image search, he didn’t look so big. Darn thumbnails…
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by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn kids!
GET OFFA MY LAWN!
(those are the fielders, man)
DON’T CARE!
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If memory serves correct
There was a game, where somebody put a hamburger down on top of 3rd base, or home plate for him…
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by SackMan on May 28, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Bradley incident when he was with the Pads wasn't serious enough
Nothing will be.
MLB doesn’t care, they keep getting the exposure from ESPN and stuff when their umps are out of control. They have no incentive to fix it.
by Allie on May 28, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
You hit it right on the head.
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by Chris Dobbertean on May 28, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm more concerned
with the attitude of these gatorade coolers…
by cozmotaylor123 on May 28, 2009 9:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey...
The only things we’ve actually hit in the last 9 games, are the Pirates and that Gatorade cooler. I say we take that thing on the road.
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by SackMan on May 28, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wants a restraining order
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by jkobus on May 28, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
Ha ha ha ha ha
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by slcathena on May 28, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw that in
the trib this morning. pretty funny stuff.
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by gwood on May 28, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Outstanding!
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by blackhawk24 on May 28, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel so special to have 7 recs :)
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by jkobus on May 28, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OR...
Players can shut up and play.
Carlson made the RIGHT call and he had to stand there and watch an overgrown brat charge him and yell at him. And not only was the manager pretty slow the respond, but the catcher was completely uninterested in helping.
How about we expect better of the players?
I do think Carlson overstepped, but I’m not interested in some clarion call for change, not when you have a sport that even allows Ted Lilly to hop the fence in the first place.
Baseball is the only sport that tolerates abuse of officials.
So here’s the deal. I have no problem suspending umps who don’t walk away.
But that MUST come with greater penalties for players and managers. In football and basketball, there are penalties for even stepping over the out-of-bounds line.
Give the umps less to walk away from before you suspend them for not walking away.
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by Worf on May 28, 2009 9:09 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
What does this mean?
Baseball is the only sport that tolerates abuse of officials.
First, what exactly is “abuse” to you? And how does baseball tolerate it in comparison to other sports?
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by tony412 on May 28, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The other major sports
have rules governing where a player not involved in a play can be at and what they are allowed to do. Also with basketball a ref has the recourse of a technical foul and in football the ref can call an unsportsmanlike penalty. As far as I know, there isn’t much an umpire can do to a player who oversteps boundaries aside from tossing them from the game.
"Do you want a bunch of duds walking around with their shoulders slumped and having no emotions, no feelings?" Bradley said. "I don’t think the fans want that. I think they want a guy who’s going to get into the game and feel a little bit. I’ve always said, ‘I don’t really play baseball, I feel it.’ "
by Villeslgr on May 28, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hockey has a half circle
and only the Capt or Asst Capt can talk to the ref when he is in it
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 28, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
in a word
no. The umps already have too much power. Being able to eject Ted Lilly from the bench in a game he’s not even playing in when he didn’t come onto the field is utter crap.
The ump has a job — be impartial, don’t create situations, remember that the game isn’t about you.
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by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, basically
The umps should shut up and take it while overgrown brats scream at them, and if they don’t walk away, then they get suspended?
No.
So basically, the umps have to be inhuman robots.
And I’m not saying Lilly should have been ejected from the bench.
I’m saying that hopping the fence should be an automatic, no-doubt about it suspension.
The umps will walk away a lot faster if they know the league has their backs.
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by Worf on May 28, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the umps have to be
IMPARTIAL and NOT CAUSE INCIDENTS.
The league has ALWAYS had the umps backs. Bud will NEVER take his umpires to task.
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by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
John Hirshbeck would like to disagree with you
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by Worf on May 28, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Know this
This incident does not happen if Zambrano doesn’t charge the ump like an idiot.
The incident was CAUSED by Zambrano. You can argue that the ump either didn’t defuse it or escalated it.
But this incident was NOT caused by the ump.
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by Worf on May 28, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can we agree on this?
Zambrano initiated the argument. The call was close and the call was right. Z had a right to argue the call, but needed to settle down or be pulled away, neither of which happened. That’s on Z and the Cubs.
The umpire did not turn away from Zambrano. Had he turned away and Z continued to follow, and no Cub players stopped Z, then the umpire would be right in throwing Z out. Instead, the ump turned into Z. That’s on the ump.
After the ump threw out Z, Z’s act was childish, which Z himself acknowledged.
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by DGU on May 28, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's fine with me
But where is the “right” to argue calls?
Seriously, where is that “right” in the rulebook?
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by Worf on May 28, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every
“right” does not have to be in the rulebook, that would be ludicrous and lead to a rulebook that was impossible to manage.
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by gwood on May 28, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, there is no right
So in theory, they can be thrown out immediately?
Basketball players get technical fouls and football players get unsportsmanlike conduct for less than was Z did BEFORE the ejection.
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by Worf on May 28, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Balls and Strikes
I would say that indeed it is implicit in the rulebook. A player CANNOT argue balls and strikes – doing so is grounds for ejection.
If it is specifically noted that they CANNOT argue a specific type of call, that seems to fairly clearly imply that some degree of arguing other types of calls is to be tolerated.
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by WGNstatic on May 28, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good reasoning
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by gwood on May 28, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you watch the NBA or NFL?
They argue just as much. They come running up to refs, yelling, waving and making all sorts of gestures. Coaches stand right behind refs on the sidelines and scream obscenities directly into their ears.
I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a ref in those sports argue back. I rarely see them even acknowledge the tirade of which they’re on the receiving end.
by Arbusto on May 28, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Add the NHL to that
Forgetting the fact a coach goes out onto the ice during a period, but none of the refs ever get in the face of a player.
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by blackhawk24 on May 28, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It just seems reasonable to me
that a player can be allowed momentary and brief vocalization when a close play goes the “wrong way.” It’s a tense game.
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by DGU on May 28, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure...I'd agree with that
But to charge the kneeling ump with fists clenched?
He could have been ejected for that alone. But then we’d have 1,000 posts bemoaning a quick trigger.
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by Worf on May 28, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the ump
was standing up as the play completed. He wasn’t on his knees like a guillotine victime.
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by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Z was already in full rant as the ump stood up
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by Worf on May 28, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're talking about
two seconds span of time. Maybe three at the most.
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by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd have to re-watch the video for the "clenched fists."
I know he was holding the ball in one hand which would look clenched.
Anyway, I agree that Z is intimidating whether his fists are clenched or not.
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by DGU on May 28, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the ump
initiated the contact. Had he done his job, Z would have gone back to the mound, pitched to another guy, and been done for the day.
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by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's too far.
We have no idea that Z would have calmed down eventually. There was definitely stuff brewing between the Cubs and both the umps in general and this particular crew.
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by DGU on May 28, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lou and Larry were on their way out at that point.
Had the ump not initiated contact, had the ump not continued to move in towards Z, there never would have been contact.
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by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lou showed no interest in
1) stopping Z
or
2) seriously reprimanding Z for what he did.
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by DGU on May 28, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
neither would I
had I seen an umpire bump one of my players.
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by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you really think
1) that the umps are out to get the Cubs?
2) that the Cubs are well served by making the umps the enemy?
3) that they’ll play better distracted by thinking the umps will still be out to get them each game?
Lou has a leadership role to take here that I’m surprised he’s not taking. There may be something to this, but I’m not seeing it yet.
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by DGU on May 28, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
that THIS umpire BUMPED Z. I think that in general, a lot of umps are missing a lot of calls.
That’s all I think.
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by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soto also seemed to be wondering where his next sandwich was
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by Worf on May 28, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw a video view
where you can see him walking in the background.
by ol Pete on May 28, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Had Z done his job
He’d have been out of the inning
His job is to block the plate
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by Worf on May 28, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
he tried to do his job. It’s the runner’s job to evade the block. Both are trying to get the runner out.
The UMP however, is supposed to call things impartially and fairly, and not instigage contact.
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by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The ump DID make the call
impartially and fairly
Z couldn’t handle it and had to charge the ump like a punk
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by Worf on May 28, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you left out the part
where the ump isn’t supposed to initiate contact.
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by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He didn't
He did turn toward Z, which he shouldn’t have done.
But Z took the bait perfectly. Not surprising, considering that Z has the brain cells of a trout.
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by Worf on May 28, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it doesn't matter if Z
is an autistic down’s syndrome child or not.
The umpires ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BAIT THE PLAYERS!
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please
let’s not talk about those maladies in this way or context.
People with autism and down’s syndrome can both show quite a bit of intelligence. I am glad to call people with both disabilities my friends.
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by DGU on May 28, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Initiating the argument
and initiating the contact are completely separate and need to viewed that way. the ump did cause the contact, worf. have you not watched the video?
by murphymj on May 28, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zambrano was walking away when the ump stepped toward him and leaned into him to provoke contact.
Your arguments conveniently ignore the actual facts. Z was walking away and the ump followed him in order to continue the conflict and that’s just plain wrong and the opposite of his job. Had the umpire not provoked contact in order to throw Z out this whole incident wouldn’t have continued to escalate. The umpire is just as much at fault if not moreso because it’s his job to keep his cool and not escalate an altercation. Carlson deserves as much of a suspension as Zambrano.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on May 28, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The umps should shut up and take it while overgrown brats scream at them, and if they don’t walk away, then they get suspended?
Yes. That is their job.
by dr stabbingworth on May 28, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
Fine..
I’m all for umps doing that.
IF players and managers are given harsher punishments for acting like idiots.
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by Worf on May 28, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rule against Idiots
Section 1: act like an child get fined
Section 2: act like an idiot get suspended
Section 3: act like an a$$ get suspended and fined.
by Arbusto on May 28, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guarantee you that umps would be a lot different today
Had Robbie Alomar gotten 30 games instead of 5.
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by Worf on May 28, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alomar was a much different situation
and what he did, you dont do that to ANYONE.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 28, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And baseball spat on the umpires all over again
By giving him 5 games and then letting him play in the playoffs.
But in drew’s world, the ump is supposed to say, “Thank you sir, may I have some more spittle!”
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by Worf on May 28, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
the ump is supposed to eject him from the game and not let the situation escalate.
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by gwood on May 28, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And if he would have ejected Z
There would be 1,000 posts on here talking about how the ump had a quick trigger and the fans didn’t come to see the ump and all that bull crap.
Fine, you’ve set the standard. The umps should just throw players out instead of letting them scream. Good to know where you stand.
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by Worf on May 28, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are twisting what I said
I was responding to your comment that an ump that get’s spit on should take it and ask for more. In that situation, the ump should eject the player and be done because that is his job.
There are plenty of civil (and some that go slightly beyond civil) arguments between players/coaches and the umps where no one should get ejected.
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by gwood on May 28, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zambrano was in full rant from the beginning
By YOUR standard, he should have been ejected almost immediately.
Zambrano was nowhere near civil.
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by Worf on May 28, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And maybe he should have
but that doesn’t mean the ump should initiate contact with the player
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by gwood on May 28, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I'm saying that if the ump throws him out
Then the argument is, “The umps have too quick a trigger!”
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by Worf on May 28, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That reaction
depends entirely on how the player is acting before they get kicked out.
If the player asks a simple question and gets tossed, yes that is too quick a trigger.
If the player throws a number of choice words at the ump, then he probably deserves to get tossed.
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by gwood on May 28, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ejections vs. Contact
We are really talking about 2 different things here. Having been an umpire, I don’t have any problem with an umpire making ejections. This is the one true judgement call umpires are paid to make, so on some level we need to allow them to do their job. Frankly, I think that umpires allow more arguing and screaming than perhaps they should.
That said, I was always trained to step back. It isn’t a matter of ignoring or taking the yelling, but it is the umpires job to avoid confrontation. To me, there is a higher standard for umpires in a conflict.
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by WGNstatic on May 28, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right on - A higher standard
We as fans pay to see these idiot num-nuts play a game that we love and they happen to be great at, not because they are intelligent, polite and well spoken. The rule book for the umps states what his job is, period. Maybe there should be a rule book for the players, but I haven’t seen one. And maybe because their job is to just go out there and play. They act up, they get tossed, fined and suspended.
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by tony412 on May 28, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not at all
stop putting words into my mouth. That situation is not this situation.
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by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But if that situation is handled better
A whole generation of umps are different.
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by Worf on May 28, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe,
maybe not. I think the umps have too much power already. Changing the reaction in that situation isn’t going to make a difference.
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by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right . . .
. . . and we’re seeing here a good example of how hard it is to walk away from someone and just diffuse a situation.
It’s human nature to get wild, to get crazy, and to want to be right at all costs. Right, guys?
How many BCBers would make good umpires? :-)
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by Edgewood on May 28, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Lilly is screaming things from the dugout, the ump was perfectly within his rights to eject him
it’s not like it’s the first time it’s ever happened. You are not allowed to show the umpire up, it’s been the rule for a LOOOOOOOOOONG time, screaming crap at the ump from the dugout falls in the “showing them up” category
by WanderingWanderer on May 28, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and I don't mean it's happened with Lilly before
I mean someone being ejected for yelling things from the dugout
by WanderingWanderer on May 28, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's still crap.
be the ump. focus on the damn game.
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by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WRONG
totally ignorant statement saying baseball is the only sport that tolerates abuse of officals.
Football coaches go berserk every Sunday on officials. Ever watch an NBA game where almost every calls is debated? Did you see Coach Q during Game 4 vs. DET?
Arguing with referees or officials is inherent in every sport. C’mon Worf, you are better than that.
by socalbob on May 28, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zambrano's behavior was inexcusable
Again, no problem at all with the tantrum and getting kicked out of the ballgame for arguing a bang-bang call at the plate. But that contact with the umpire is inexcusable. And lets be very honest here….Zambrano was acting in premeditated fashion and was loving every minute of his acting sequence out there.
1. Is it any wonder why the rest of the baseball world thinks Zambrano is an assclown?
2. Do the Cubs realize that they are increasingly pissing off an umpire union that is a band of brothers and known for metering out their own form of justice?
VERY disappointed with Lou Piniella yesterday. He let all of this unwind out of control without thinking about the consequences.
Awww, come on guys, it's so simple maybe you need a refresher course. It's all ball bearings ...
by BLou on May 28, 2009 9:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm disappointed in Soto
The catcher’s job is to control the pitcher. He must have been scared.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on May 28, 2009 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His mind was on the post-game spread in the lockerroom
Fat ass Soto doesnt’ walk out to the mound as many times as he used to. They need to put a rest station in between the mound and home plate. I can’t wait to see how Soto deals with the summer heat and humidity.
Awww, come on guys, it's so simple maybe you need a refresher course. It's all ball bearings ...
by BLou on May 28, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully it will cause him to sweat out some of that fat
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on May 28, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MAYBE HE SAW WHAT
Michael Barretts face looked like after his incident with Big Z…….
by cubs north on May 28, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If there's one guy that can control Z its Geo
Last season, about the same time IIRC, Z was starting to come unglued. Geo grabbed him by the jersey near the first buttoned button and said something that shut Z up right away. Can’t remember the game but it was at Wrigley.
That’s was I hoped Geo did and I can’t explain why he didn’t yesterday. Unlike Barrett, I think Geo can stand his own to Z and his crazy antics.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on May 28, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
partly, it’s that Z didn’t really become unhinged till he was bumped by the ump. One thing that’s getting lost here is that Z didn’t have his best stuff yesterday, and struggled — and DIDN’T lose his sh!t. There was no way Soto would have been able to get between Z and the ump in the time between the ump bumped Z and Z went off.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again...
…the umpire is the one that initiated contact. What is so hard to understand about that?!?!
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on May 28, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen...
But then their flawed logic would be, well… flawed.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on May 28, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Premeditated?
really?!
"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg
by gwood on May 28, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Today, yes...
… yesterday, according to BLou, there was NO CONCEIVABLE WAY Zambrano had the mental acumen to premeditate something of this nature.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on May 28, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he does either
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on May 28, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Take it up with BLou. :-)
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on May 28, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I don't think Zambrano
has the sense God gave a turkey
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on May 28, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good thing he was blessed with a strong arm then, huh?
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on May 28, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
who was it who called BLou
“blunt but honest”? In this thread alone, he’s called Z an “assclown”, suggested that his reaction was “premeditated”, called Soto a “fat ass” and said that his mind wasn’t on the game.
It’s like listening to WGN PostGame. :(
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does BLou like
any of the current Cub players other than Theriot and Harden?
"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg
by gwood on May 28, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To BLou...
Give it up. You hate a good portion of the pitching staff. You detest 2/3rd of our starting outfield, spew bile about the front office, and second guess everything the manager does. Its fine. You hate the team. We get it.
SO LEAVE. Take a decade off. We’ll still be here, and maybe by then the Cubs staff will be in line with what you want.
You clearly aren’t enjoying this team, or even this game. Coming here and making a stink every time the team loses (or something doesn’t go the way you’d hoped) isn’t getting you anywhere, and its poisoning the environment for the rest of us. It has clearly made you delusional, to the point that you tell everyone who isn’t lock-step with your opinion to “go pound sand” and tell anybody here not playing your games how detestable you find them (including the young man who mentioned his classmate and friend had just taken his life a few weeks back). You are incapable of discourse without insult, and you are unable to break down the failures of this team (or at least your perception of them) without breaking the golden rule of this site, “don’t say anything here you wouldn’t say aloud in a room full of people”.
Your bitter, jaded attitude is predisposing most people against what, from time to time, can be valid, intelligent, well thought out points. You have, in fact, become your own worst enemy.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on May 28, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 17 recs
BLou also skips facts
And when given links and facts, he skips that as well.
He is not a waste of a post, but his post will start with one idea, and then veer into insulting people, stealing credability from a decent post.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 28, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just for the record...
… i grew to hate my beloved Iowa Hawkeye basketball team a few seasons back. In that case, players were being picked up for rape (repeatedly) and assault and credit card theft and on and on…. the coach was a slime ball, the athletic department was ignorant, and the play on the court sucked. I was done with it, and stopped buying tickets, paying attention… anything.
It wasn’t fun anymore. It wasn’t healthy. I focused on other pursuits, and fully intend on getting back in to them this year now that the coach has been replaced with a seemingly good guy and the team has been revamped to make me proud.
If you can’t support a team, why call yourself a fan? Why not just step away and find something you don’t hate to fill your free time? Seriously.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on May 28, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to nitpick...
…but the credit card theft was a football team thing. Dominique Douglas and Anthony Bowman were the guys that got caught up in that scandal.
OT: The Hawkeye football team this year is going to be good, REALLY good.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on May 28, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That WAS the football team, a couple of years later...
… and the reason i’m still a fan is Feretz kicked those players to the curb faster than you can say Nile Kinnick.
There was a credit card incident with some basketball players or recruits as well i believe, back in Alford’s heyday. Couple that with Pierce (twice!), and the general lack of good play on the court, and i was done.
Agree on the football team looking huge. Tough road schedule though.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on May 28, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You and a lot of people stopped following our Hawkeyes bball team.
Just when they looked like they were turning it around, everyone left the team. Pretty sad.
I don’t remember the credit card scandal with the bball team. But I don’t doubt it happened.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on May 28, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll try to dig through the Daily Iowan archives and see if i can find it...
… and to be honest, giving up Iowa Basketball was a harder decision than i thought it’d be. I enjoyed going to Carver, even though the vibe there generally isn’t great like it is for football. I thought there were a lot of stand-up guys on the team, and i honestly believed the guy in charge (Alford) was ruining it. Now that he’s gone and things look to be turning for the better, i’m back in.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on May 28, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's funny because Iowa use to love it's bball program.
Back in the days with Dr. Tom. When they use to play the theme to the exorcist before the tipoff. Those were the glory days.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on May 28, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The full court press was brutal.
As a Des Moines native, it broke my heart to see it at Drake. It should have been Dr. Tom in Iowa City till he wanted to leave, and Alford should have never stepped foot in the place.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on May 28, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bowlsby was too concerned with..
…making his mark at Iowa. He introduced three new coaches in the same year, Ferentz, Alford and the wrestling coach who I can’t think of.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on May 28, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those were good days...
The truly glorious was when Lute Olson was coach, and had unbelievable players like Ronnie Lester. Ronnie Lester is still the best basketball player I have ever seen. If not for his knee injuries his senior year, I am sure he would have been one of the 50 greatest NBA players of all time, and headed for the Hall of Fame soon…
I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...
by Jimmyeatworld on May 28, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never saw a 10-rec
before until today.
Excellent!
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on May 28, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love that sig
I have it up in my office.
It’s supposedly a definition contest won at Tex A&M a couple years ago.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on May 28, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In a twisted way, it really is the best way to describe it.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on May 28, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you Andrew
for saying this. He is beyond ridiculous.
by sue369 on May 28, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not defending Blou
but soto has put on weight.
"Do you want a bunch of duds walking around with their shoulders slumped and having no emotions, no feelings?" Bradley said. "I don’t think the fans want that. I think they want a guy who’s going to get into the game and feel a little bit. I’ve always said, ‘I don’t really play baseball, I feel it.’ "
by Villeslgr on May 28, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, and?
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and maybe he should have said it in a different way
but that doesn’t change the fact that Soto is overweight. Z also behaved like a child.
It seems far too often that a comment can be judged based on who says it. I don’t even know why I bothered to say that I wasn’t defending Blou. That was my fault. It’s my opinion and I stand behind. If it gets lumped in with things he says guess that’s how it has to be.
"Do you want a bunch of duds walking around with their shoulders slumped and having no emotions, no feelings?" Bradley said. "I don’t think the fans want that. I think they want a guy who’s going to get into the game and feel a little bit. I’ve always said, ‘I don’t really play baseball, I feel it.’ "
by Villeslgr on May 28, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A comment WILL be juged on who says it...
… if you have a history of thoughtful, productive comments, people will approach them with an open mind.
If not… well… think of that dude in your office who treats everyone like crap. You reap what you sew.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on May 28, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
that is how it should be. Unfortunately it doesn’t always work that way. Which is why my initial reaction was to distance my comment from his comment.
"Do you want a bunch of duds walking around with their shoulders slumped and having no emotions, no feelings?" Bradley said. "I don’t think the fans want that. I think they want a guy who’s going to get into the game and feel a little bit. I’ve always said, ‘I don’t really play baseball, I feel it.’ "
by Villeslgr on May 28, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So have i...
… care to call me a fatass?
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on May 28, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
FAT ASS!!!!!
I’ve put on weight too!
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on May 28, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If people are going to comment on the appearance of other by calling them ugly or fat then they should post a picture of themselves.
You have called Z ugly and now you are calling people fat perhaps we could see a picture of you in order to judge your appearance. If you are going to dish it out, I’m sure you won’t mind taking critiques of your looks. You seem to think it’s somehow relevant to a baseball discussion so if we are to properly judge your opinions we should see what you look like regardless of how painful it may be for the rest of us.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on May 28, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh unclench
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on May 28, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just curious if you want to stand up to the same scrutiny you put others under. Apparently not.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on May 28, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fine... here's my picture
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on May 28, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did I call
anyone a fatass? No I did not. Why would I call you a fatass? I don’t know you. Honestly I wouldn’t call anyone a fatass.
However weight is a relevant concern when it comes to a professional athlete.
"Do you want a bunch of duds walking around with their shoulders slumped and having no emotions, no feelings?" Bradley said. "I don’t think the fans want that. I think they want a guy who’s going to get into the game and feel a little bit. I’ve always said, ‘I don’t really play baseball, I feel it.’ "
by Villeslgr on May 28, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weight is relevent to a lot of things...
… including Soto’s performance. I’m not ignorant. It’s affected his game. I get that.
BLou had the option to call somebody a fatass, or say what YOU did…
but soto has put on weight.
You did a much more measured job, and he could learn from your example.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on May 28, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's the internet.
No need for the macho posturing.
"Do you want a bunch of duds walking around with their shoulders slumped and having no emotions, no feelings?" Bradley said. "I don’t think the fans want that. I think they want a guy who’s going to get into the game and feel a little bit. I’ve always said, ‘I don’t really play baseball, I feel it.’ "
by Villeslgr on May 28, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't even know what you are trying to communicate here.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on May 28, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was referring to the
“so have I care to call me a fatass”
No I would not care to call you a fatass. I’m not calling anyone a fatass.
"Do you want a bunch of duds walking around with their shoulders slumped and having no emotions, no feelings?" Bradley said. "I don’t think the fans want that. I think they want a guy who’s going to get into the game and feel a little bit. I’ve always said, ‘I don’t really play baseball, I feel it.’ "
by Villeslgr on May 28, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was
referring to BLou’s comment about Soto.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except
he replied to my comment.
"Do you want a bunch of duds walking around with their shoulders slumped and having no emotions, no feelings?" Bradley said. "I don’t think the fans want that. I think they want a guy who’s going to get into the game and feel a little bit. I’ve always said, ‘I don’t really play baseball, I feel it.’ "
by Villeslgr on May 28, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the thread was hard to follow...
BLou called Soto a fatass. I felt it wasn’t justified, even IF (and yes, i agree he has) he’s put on wight. Why go from stating the facts (“dude is a few pounds heavier”) to insulting (“fatass”)?
It wasn’t macho posturing… it was trying to bring to light his ignorance of Al’s “don’t say it here if you wouldn’t say it to their face” rule.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on May 28, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apologies
I was just confused as to why it came under my response. As I have said I wouldn’t call anyone a fatass.
"Do you want a bunch of duds walking around with their shoulders slumped and having no emotions, no feelings?" Bradley said. "I don’t think the fans want that. I think they want a guy who’s going to get into the game and feel a little bit. I’ve always said, ‘I don’t really play baseball, I feel it.’ "
by Villeslgr on May 28, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And i appreciate that...
… i wish BLou would learn from your example. THAT was my point.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on May 28, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Girls....
You’re ALL pretty, OK?
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on May 28, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So now you are deriding others by calling them girls.
Nice to know that you insult people by calling them female.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on May 28, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did it hurt?
The surgery you had to remove your sense of humor. Did it hurt?
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on May 28, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There was supposed to be something funny
about this?
I see nothing.
by Allie on May 28, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh please
You guys spent 30 posts debating who had a fat ass, who was responding to who and whether that was out of line.
I have a 10-year-old niece. I’ve heard her talk to her friends.
You guys nailed it.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on May 28, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You seem to be claiming that this conversation is beneath your maturity level yet you hurl insults in every direction.
You seem to find it acceptable to insult people by calling them fat, ugly, stupid, and now female. On top of all of that you just insulted your 10 year old niece, who I’m willing to bet could carry on a more intelligent conversation.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on May 28, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow...
You’re seeing a whole team of psychiatrists, aren’t you?
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on May 28, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
over the line, dood
quit while you’re ahead. Or at least even.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't get sanctimonious with me, drew
I have a nephew with autism and I ignored your silly and offensive comparison too.
One, I didn’t think you meant it like that and two, outrage bores me.
But you might want to take a look at the line you’re yapping about.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on May 28, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you doth protest
too much.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, now maybe I DO think
you meant it that way.
That tells me a lot.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on May 28, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
You guys spent 30 posts debating who had a fat ass, who was responding to who and whether that was out of line.
I have a 10-year-old niece. I’ve heard her talk to her friends.
You guys nailed it.
"Do you want a bunch of duds walking around with their shoulders slumped and having no emotions, no feelings?" Bradley said. "I don’t think the fans want that. I think they want a guy who’s going to get into the game and feel a little bit. I’ve always said, ‘I don’t really play baseball, I feel it.’ "
by Villeslgr on May 29, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you, Worf, need to drop this right now.
You’re pissing people off.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 28, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough Al
I respect your wishes.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on May 28, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, I don't think it's funny to put someone down by calling them female.
If that’s your idea of humor then maybe Zambrano isn’t the only one with maturity issues.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on May 28, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh.
Just when Villeslgr and i had figured it out, reached an understanding, and moved on…
Oh well.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on May 28, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was replying to Worf not you so, if you've moved on don't reply to me. Or did you just have to get that Ugh, out? It added a lot to the discourse.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on May 28, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
uh
that was a reply to Worf.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was a bit of a suprise
to see when I came to the site. Oh well. Atleast we’re pretty.
"Do you want a bunch of duds walking around with their shoulders slumped and having no emotions, no feelings?" Bradley said. "I don’t think the fans want that. I think they want a guy who’s going to get into the game and feel a little bit. I’ve always said, ‘I don’t really play baseball, I feel it.’ "
by Villeslgr on May 29, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on don’t you know it was all premeditated?
Carlson, all the Pirates, Soto were all in on it.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by cubstoseriesby100 on May 28, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The way Zambrano immediatly reacted he was heading for an ejection
how would you react if you had him in your face like that. The ump made the call and Zambrano just went nuts. Plus he post ejection scene, if I were the Cubs I would suspend him for his actions with the bat in the dugout, he was swinging a bat rather close to Larry Rothschild’s face. For his post ejection antics I’d suspend him for 10 games (2 Starts).
Bloop
by justin007000 on May 28, 2009 9:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I would think Larry Rothschild is very pissed off and for good reason
Lou Piniella should internally punish Zambrano for his actions that were in defiance of Rothschild and put Rothschild in significant harm’s way.
Awww, come on guys, it's so simple maybe you need a refresher course. It's all ball bearings ...
by BLou on May 28, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It looked like he almost caught a bat swing in the dugout
by ol Pete on May 28, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a few times he came close to catching one
does being a Cubs Pitching Coach come with hazard pay?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 28, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's when the nonsense will end
When Zambrano hurts someone else. Or breaks his own hand.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on May 28, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's already hurt someone.
And we traded that guy away.
Sean Marshall is a good starter.
by DGU on May 28, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
...and that
helped the Cubs.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on May 28, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Z was just doing what everyone else wanted to...
… or, would you rather forgo last season’s performance by Soto and hold on to Barrett?
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on May 28, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying anyone wants Barrett back.
I’m saying Z hit his starting C.
Is Sean Marshall our most dependable starter?
by DGU on May 28, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
either Z or Barrett would say they were particularly proud of that. On the other hand, Prince shoved one of his teammates across teh dugout last year, didn’t he?
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was just to get the last soy doughnut though.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 28, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another
Another so called Cub fan who hates Zambrano so much they want the Cubs to lose.
Soto and Zambrano and there’s a lot of people here who trash Soriano and Ramirez here while letting others slide.
Pattern perhaps?
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by cubstoseriesby100 on May 28, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet a good portion of the black and hispanic outfielders...
… both Cubs and otherwise, would agree.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on May 28, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm actually a reds fan dropping by
and i would love for Zambrano to pitch for Cincinnati, but i think what did was totally out of line.
Bloop
by justin007000 on May 28, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would suggest
that you watch the videotape again. Note where the ump bumps into Z.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if i were the ump
i would have ejected him right when he got in my face, no need to react like that. I don’t think he should be suspended for bumping the umpire, and perhaps the umpire should be reprimanded for that, I think he should be suspended for throwing a ball to the warning track, throwing his glove, and taking a bat to the Gatorade dispenser. Regardless of who made contact with whom Zambrano should not have reacted like that.
Bloop
by justin007000 on May 28, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure
the ump has no say on what Z does to the gatorade dispenser.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That dispenser needs to go on the DL, though.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 28, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can see Gatorade
maybe doing a commercial from these last couple of games. It will be interesting tonight to see if the machine is fixed.
by sue369 on May 28, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
670 the score just had the guy
who repairs the Gatorade Machine on. He explained that he is an employee of Pepsi Co not the Cubs, and that Dempster did a lot less damage than Z (no doubt) and it will be functional tonight, but will be without a top since he had to order a new one.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 28, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh for god's sake. Race baiting? Really?
I’ve seen plenty of hate for Theriot, and Fontenot, is there some racism against Cajuns going on?
How about the hatred for Cotts, Heilman, Howry, Eyre, Gregg, Freel, Miles, and Barrett. All white last time I checked.
I’m not naive enough to think there’s no racism in this country, and certainly there are SOME Cubs fans who hate certain players because of their ethnicity and skin color, but I think we can all do without the blanket statement and generalizations
by WanderingWanderer on May 28, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There’s a lot of personal attacks against some of these players I mentioned where the attacks on others focus on their play.
And there are a few here that tend to focus their attacks on certain players.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by cubstoseriesby100 on May 28, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The cubs fans have a history of it...
… not saying its relevant in this conversation, as Z’s behavoir is enough to turn some off no matter his ethnicity, but:
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on May 28, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey!
don’t lump us blind ones into that.
by Allie on May 28, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that didn't work...
… 2nd try: link
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on May 28, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're far too lenient on Big Z
In the post yesterday, you rightly called out Z for being a baby. Yes, the umpire could have done better – but given Zambrano’s reputation, would you expect anything less than a complete meltdown from him, if you were an umpire?
People like Zambrano and Bradley need to realize that yes, they’re going to get the short end of the stick on stuff. Umpires are people too – offend them enough and they’ll certainly remember it. Little angelic kids get away with a lot more than the true brats do.
by rencelas on May 28, 2009 9:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Z did act like a baby...
… AFTER Carlson’s bumping of him.
Neither person is totally blameless. But the umpire is supposed to be in control of the situation and calm it down, not make it worse.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 28, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how can you calm an *adult* down in that situation when he doesn't want to calm down?
You can wake up a person who is sleeping but not one who is pretending to be sleeping. We should accept that Umpires have the final say on all the calls and most of the time they are right and being human sometimes they are wrong. If you don’t like that then replace umpires with technology. But if you want it the traditional way then you got to accept that umpires are also humans. Expressing your displeasure at a call is one thing and throwing wild tantrums is completely different be it Bradley, Z, Lou, Lilly or whoever. What other sport allows/condones you to climb fences and run into the playing area to throw a fit when you are not even in the starting lineup?
This is simply highly paid grown up athletes acting like unruly kids. For this same reason I think managers it BS to allow managers and coaches to run onto the field to argue calls.
by cubsnlinux on May 28, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s not supposed to calm Z down, he’s supposed to calm the situation down by being in control and staying cool. Basically being the bigger person because his call will ultimately stand and that is his only job…to make the calls.
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by tony412 on May 28, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correct!
If Carlson had walked AWAY from Z instead of toward him, maybe Lou or a coach could have kept Z out of harm’s way.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 28, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or Z would have been bored
jumping up and down without an Ump in his face, result:
Z doesnt have a tirade to this escalated peak, and its not as big a deal now
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 28, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But, Z was turning and walking away, he wasn't jumping up and down when the ump bumped into him.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on May 28, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and my comment
was what might happen if the ump was not in his face, not about what did happen with the ump in his face.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 28, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I misunderstood you then, sorry about that.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on May 28, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
its cool
no worries
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 28, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
that I could expect an umpire to walk away, but they certainly shouldn’t approach the player. Z said his piece and was preparing to walk away when Carlson bumped him, which escalated the situation.
I think as long as the ump does not approach the player, or follow the player to the dugout after tossing him as some are want to do, the ump is helping gain control of the situation.
"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg
by gwood on May 28, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd agree with that.
Carlson did not have control yesterday.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 28, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not in the slightest
"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg
by gwood on May 28, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Z also did not have control yesterday
The Ump failed in his duties of defusing the situation however it’s far too easy to simply blame the ump for his failures. At some point adults must take responsibility for their actions. I find it hard to believe that a player should be allowed to behave like a child and be held to a lower standard of responsibility than the umpire.
"Do you want a bunch of duds walking around with their shoulders slumped and having no emotions, no feelings?" Bradley said. "I don’t think the fans want that. I think they want a guy who’s going to get into the game and feel a little bit. I’ve always said, ‘I don’t really play baseball, I feel it.’ "
by Villeslgr on May 28, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they are to walk away
that is EXPECTED per their guidelines. they are not to be confrontational
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 28, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read it
as they are just required to keep their own temper and self-control. IMO that doesn’t require walking away. I recall seeing a lot of umps walking away after tossing a player and I think that is the right thing to do, but I don’t think they have to walk away right away.
"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg
by gwood on May 28, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But it does require not leaning into someone's face
to yell a little louder.
by Allie on May 28, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are?
I wouldn’t say the umpire was hostile or argumentative either.
by ol Pete on May 28, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's because
you can’t see the hand in front of your face that’s blocking your ability to see the video.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
I remember your argument that Bradley’s hat didn’t contact the ump’s hat. I posted a link to the video and it seemed to have no effect on you.
by ol Pete on May 28, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the hats did contact
the difference is that you think Bradley made the contact happen, and the rest of us (bluemike excluded) know the truth.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you can't blame me
for something I haven’t done, just like you can’t blame Bradley for instigating contact in his situation, when he didn’t.
"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley
by drewishdrewid on May 28, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He probably would have, but then it wouldn't have been
the ump initiating contact.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on May 28, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The ump didn't need to walk away, thought it would have been nice.
The ump should have stood his ground and not made any move at all toward Z. By getting closer to Zambrano, the ump escalated the situation and caused the intial contact. Z then made matters much worse by using his arm to clear space between Z and the ump.
I predict both will see some suspension.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on May 28, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or Z chases him down and gets back in his face
I’ve seen that plenty of times
by WanderingWanderer on May 28, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MLB does not "allow/condone"
climbing of fences and running onto the field to throw a fit. Lilly will be fined, as he should be, as are other players/managers that go overboard. The difference with MLB versus the other sports is that in the other sports, the players and coaches can argue with the refs without interrupting the play of the game. In the NBA and the NFL the refs are right next to the coaches or can be with little effort by the player/coach. In MLB, the only reason we notice is because the game is paused while the manager/player argues and the only thing to watch is the argument.
Have you ever seen replays in football where the coaches is laying into the ref on the sideline? It’s at least as bad as what Z did or Lou tends to do.
"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg
by gwood on May 28, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's how I saw it
FROM THE TOP:
The ump is on one knee when he made the call (Correct position — correct call)
Z charges him while he’s still on his knee and is already in full rant — yelling, fists clenched, etc…
The ump stands up, which he has every right and reason to do. There is no way he can get control of the situation from his knees. He also can’t be expected to scoot away from the situation. (Although I guess some would expect that)
Z is arguing and the ump is pointing at the plate, a clear “He got the plate” gesture. (Again, the CORRECT call — funny how no one blames Z for not blocking the plate enough)
Z won’t let it go. Soto and Pinella are nowhere to be found.
The ump turns toward Z, but DOES NOT MAKE CONTACT. I can buy that he was hoping Z would touch him. It was unprofessional and immature by the ump, almost a “put your hand two inches from someone’s face to see if they will snap” routine.
Then Z fulfills everyone’s expectations by brushing the ump and he’s ejected. Lou and Soto just then appear in the video.
Z goes into his histronics, which I don’t believe for a second are premeditated. We’re not talking about someone who has shown a lot of control, folks.
Conclusion:
Z accelerated the situation, charged the ump and the ump did not have much of a chance to walk away. There is a fine line between walking away and backing down.
The ump, when he had the chance to walk away, did not.
Z behaved like a brat BEFORE AND AFTER the ejection.
10 games for Z, knocked down to 7 or 8.
Nothing for the ump except a private talking to and double-secret probation.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on May 28, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are definitely incorrect when you say the ump "DOES NOT MAKE CONTACT."
The replay from behind home plate shows the ump clearly brushes up against Carlos before Carlos gives him the shrug off gesture. Had the ump not touched him Z wouldn’t have shrugged him off. That’s why Z gave pointed at the ump and gave him the ejection sign. Z knew the ump touched him first which is why told him I’m ejecting you. The umpire clearly was following Z as Z was walking away when the contact was initiated, it should also be noted that the contact escalated the whole incident. The ump is as much to blame as Z.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on May 28, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's repeated that same
comment in almost every thread. I think he thinks if he repeats it oftern enough it will be the truth when it’s not.
by sue369 on May 28, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We're also talking about a sport, Al
That suspended a player a measly five non-playoff games for spitting in an umpire’s face.
Baseball has NOT shown that it will protect umps in arguments. It has no interest in limiting idiocy from players and managers.
Back in the 80s, the umpire’s union head announced that there would be a no-tolerance policy for Billy Martin. He’d gone too far in an argument and was suspended some joke amount.
They were going to eject him the moment he stepped onto the field.
Baseball slapped it down.
DO NOT make this a one-sided change. You want umps to walk away? Fine.
Tell players and managers to do so as well.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on May 28, 2009 9:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A bit of perspective
The MLB has a fair share of its umpiring issues, but look at the NFL and NBA. In the NFL Ed Hoculi blew a call and forced a rule change, that call cost a team a win, which means an official was responsible for 1/16 of two teams seasons.
In the NBA the officiating continues to set all time lows. Everybody knows that David Stern has been ordering his officials to put certain teams in the finals, and in one case completley decide the finals. It is horrible again this season, last night the Lakers were probably given a few gift calls, the night before LeBron James was given calls that no other player would have gotten. I haven’t seen an umpire ignore a fastball down the middle for strike 3 just because Albert Pujols was batting.
The MLB umpiring can be improved, but if you look around there are leagues that are much worse off.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on May 28, 2009 9:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You are right about that
despite our complaints, I think the MLB umps do the best job of all of the major sports’ officials, except maybe hockey, you never hear anything about hockey officials.
It seems like Stern is turning the NBA into the WWE, setting up matches and all.
"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg
by gwood on May 28, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hockey used to be horrible
until the league finally took a stand (in the rule book) about 3rd man in, leaving the bench and a significant suspension for stick-related incidents. Before that took place, individual refs’ thinking held too much of a variant from game to game and also from the beginning of a game to the end of a game. What also improved hockey’s calling of a game was the 2-ref system implemented more recently.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on May 28, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very True
Although I love to complain about the 2-ref system whenever a call doesn’t go my team’s way.
by wallrock on May 28, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They haven't mastered it quite yet
There’s a couple more – relatively minor IMO – rules changes that would make it better than it is today.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
by blackhawk24 on May 28, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sadly, I truly believe one reason you don't hear as much about hockey refs
is because it’s the least popular (ratings wise) of the four major sports. Less people see a ref screw up, there’s less complaining.
Every hockey game I’ve ever gone to, there has been a perceived “terrible call” by the crowd.
by WanderingWanderer on May 28, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least the NFL will publicly
talk about the officiating/rule changes.
MLB is hopelessly backwards on everything.
by Allie on May 28, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but MLB is worlds ahead
in their blackoput policy
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 28, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trendsetters.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on May 28, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Umps are not to approach the argument with guns blazing
they are to defuse and walk away. Umps do not seem to understand that. Their egos are getting in the way of doing their job. MLB Umps need to remember they are there to be invisible and impartial, not to be the side show.
I agree Z was wrong, but so was the Ump, and BOTH should be suspended for their actions (if Z cannot touch the Ump, same goes with the Ump touching Z).
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 28, 2009 9:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How was the umpire wrong ?!?
He let Zambrano argue then rightfully tossed him from the game and turned away. It was the assclown immature baby Zambrano who took things to the next step. And it was Zambrano’s actions that led to the contact of the umpire as the umpire tried to point Zambrano off the field.
The umpire did nothing wrong in this circumstance.
Awww, come on guys, it's so simple maybe you need a refresher course. It's all ball bearings ...
by BLou on May 28, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
two things
1. he touched Z (they both touched each other once)
2. he went towards Z didnt back away, which he is to do per Umpire regulations
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 28, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not going to argue with you on this
When Zambrano is suspended for makign contact with the umpire you get back to me. The umpire was standing his ground and trying to diffuse the situation while Lou Piniella inexcusably sat in the background with a shit-eating grin on his face.
The umpire did nothing wrong and will be vindicated. You are wrong.
Awww, come on guys, it's so simple maybe you need a refresher course. It's all ball bearings ...
by BLou on May 28, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you deny
That the umpire touched Zambrano?
by Old Style & Ivy on May 28, 2009 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WATCH THE REPLAY
The reason why there was contact is because the ump bumped into Z. Stop making things up.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on May 28, 2009 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here we go again
The rules are explicit. A player may not come into physical contact with an umpire. When contact happens the player is always in the wrong. Zambrano did not back down and did not start heading off the field when the ump turned around to show him out. Zambrano is more guilty of the crime then Drew Peterson. And the suspension is a coming boys and girls.
Awww, come on guys, it's so simple maybe you need a refresher course. It's all ball bearings ...
by BLou on May 28, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So let's see.
The umpire initiates the physical contact and it’s the player’s fault? How does that work?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 28, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al
I have posted a link below, which explains quite a bit about what is expected from an Ump. This is the same link I provided during the MB saga. BLou ignored it then, and will probably continue toignore it now. This link explain where (in both situations) the Ump was wrong.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 28, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
which, if you review the play
IMHO the UImp INITIATED the contact with Z
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 28, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't think El Toro charging and screaming
a few inches away from the umps face caused anything? Initiate and initial are two different words. If you want to argue that initial contact was made by the umpire, I’ll agree, but I don’t agree that the ump initiated contact.
by ol Pete on May 28, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh c'mon.
There was no reason for the ump to bump into Z. Get real.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on May 28, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes and it's ridiculous.
Since when is it okay to escalate a situation by getting physical with a player?
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on May 28, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha okay.
I must not understand what the reply but means.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on May 28, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are being thick headed
Sure, Z shouldn’t have thrown the initial fit.
No umpire, with a screaming pitcher 12 inches away should take TWO STEPS towards that person and nudge them with his shoulder. Duh.
Believe or Leave ~Cubswynn 9/9/2008
by slcathena on May 28, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that is a response to pointing out that Z charged him screaming how? Is it a response to the distinction between the words initiate and initial?
I guess you think that Z wasn’t charging and screaming.
by ol Pete on May 28, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are we back in middle school?
Words are words, they don’t deserve a physical response. It’s pretty simple.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on May 28, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sticks and stones
may break my bones, but names will never hurt me
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 28, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, uh...
are you saying initiate and initial don’t have different meanings? Or that Z never charged or screamed?
by ol Pete on May 28, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Give it up.
The ump could stand there all he wants and scream back at him. There was NO REASON to bump Z. None. You are simply wrong on this.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on May 28, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why don't you respond
to what I wrote? Even worse, you make up something to attribute to me.
by ol Pete on May 28, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have responded.
You aren’t listening. Z started the argument (words), but that does not mean the ump should have escalated it to the next level by getting physical. What about that doesn’t make sense?
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on May 28, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no you haven't
I never attributed anything to the contact between the two. I talked about the different meanings of two words. I pointed out that Z charged the ump screaming.
by ol Pete on May 28, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs