Honoring Cubs Greats: Cubs vs. Marlins, Sunday 5/3, 1:20 CT
The Cubs have retired four numbers in their history -- prior to today, when they will run #31 up the flagpole to honor Fergie Jenkins and Greg Maddux, who both wore it for the Cubs with great distinction. The following is excerpted from "Cubs By The Numbers"; if this whets your appetite (shameless promotion: I hope it does) and you have not yet ordered your copy, you can click that link and do it right now!
Here are the results of the four previous games with Cubs number retirement ceremonies, three of which resulted in wins and the fourth, a loss, was played mostly by bench players for a very good reason:
August 22, 1982, #14 retired for Ernie Banks: defeated the Padres, 8-7, in front of a modest crowd of 23,601; the Padres blew a 5-0 lead but the Cubs had to call on closer Lee Smith in the 9th with the tying run on base to save it. Two players in the game – Cubs Larry Bowa and Bill Buckner – had played against Ernie in the early 1970’s.
August 13, 1987, #26 retired for Billy Williams: defeated the Mets, 7-5, in front of a larger-than-usual weekday crowd of 35,033 (the reasons they chose a Thursday for this ceremony are lost to the mists of time). As in Ernie’s ceremony game, the visitors blew a 5-0 lead, and once again, Smith was summoned with two out in the ninth – this time, he nearly blew the game, loading the bases on two singles and a walk before striking out Dave Magadan to end it. Irony: Billy was traded for, among others, Manny Trillo, who pinch-hit in this game.
September 28, 2003, #10 retired for Ron Santo: Santo’s emotional speech, in which he said, "THIS is my Hall of Fame", came prior to a meaningless game, the last of the 2003 regular season. The Cubs had clinched the NL Central the day before and though a handful of regulars started, they were all lifted by the middle innings. The sub Cubs blew a 2-0 lead and lost to the Pirates 3-2 in front of 39,940.
August 28, 2005, #23 retired for Ryne Sandberg: Just a few weeks after his stirring Hall of Fame induction speech, Sandberg’s number was run up the right field flagpole before 38,763 on a gorgeous afternoon. The Cubs’ play was beautiful, too – they demolished the Marlins 14-3, including two homers from Derrek Lee.
So the Cubs once again play the Marlins on a day when a uniform number will be retired. The same result as four years ago would be nice, including the D-Lee performance.
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Ricky Nolasco's only two appearances (one relief stint and one start) against the team which foolishly traded him away for little in return were in 2006, and the last one, a 9-1 Marlins win in Miami on May 22, 2006, came almost three full years ago. Sean Marshall was his opposing starter, but apart from that, the only current Cub who played in that game was Aramis Ramirez, who accounted for the only Cub run with a homer off Nolasco. The only other 2009 Cubs who have ever faced him are Aaron Miles (1-for-7) and Alfonso Soriano (3-for-7, 2 HR).
One thing we know for sure today: Carlos Zambrano won't be available to pinch-hit, because he is starting. He is 4-1, 3.05 in his career in nine starts against the Marlins. Jorge Cantu (3-for-5, 1 HR) and Hanley Ramirez are the only current Marlins who have homered off Z; Florida's regular catcher, Ronny Paulino, is only 1-for-19 against Z, so maybe John Baker, the backup, will start this afternoon.
Today's game is on WGN -- and don't forget to tune in starting at 12:30 CDT for the #31 number retirement ceremony, also on WGN. For more games today see the MLB.com Mediacenter.
Baseball-reference.com game preview
Overflow comment threads will post today at 2:15, 3:15 and 4:00 pm CDT.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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Speaking of Ramirez,
Is he coming back today?
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 3, 2009 10:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nope. Fontenot at third.
Lineup:
LF Soriano
SS Theriot
CF Fukudome
1B Lee
RF Bradley
3B Fontenot
C Soto
2B Miles
P Zambrano.
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by cubs ftw on May 3, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I cant believe no one
has hit the DL this year. What a joke
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on May 3, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lou said that they didn't DL ARAM because he'd be back WAAAY before May 10th
We’re now only a week before that date, and ARAM has had exactly one at-bat (which blew up any chance of DLing him and actually having him back before the 10th) since he got hurt.
Really not liking the way the team is handling injuries or the roster in general this year
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by BoVandy on May 3, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glad to hear they are showing
everything on WGN today.
by LT on May 3, 2009 10:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nicely written. Al.
Jack
derv
@themightycub
by derv on May 3, 2009 10:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
NOLASCO
LIGHT EM UP!
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on May 3, 2009 10:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I have no way of knowing.....
…but Zambrano’s 3rd straight PH appearance yesterday has to be a record for consecutive PHing appearances by a pitcher.
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by carmen_fanzone on May 3, 2009 10:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
not sure
Wood and Marquis had a bunch for the Cubs, and MIke Hampton is another who IIRC had quite a few
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by Cubbie-Tim on May 3, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but 3 games in a row? That was my point.
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by carmen_fanzone on May 3, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just did a little search:
Marquis had 2 consecutive ph appearances for St L
Hampton never had more than one
Wood had one career PH
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by carmen_fanzone on May 3, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Off the stalk a doggie
just kidding my seats are not that close to the field and I don’t think the ushers are going to let me get near him plus I would be too nervous to even ask for an autograph.
I do want to point out that I think the situation with Fergie is unfortunate. His number should have been retired years ago and never even given to Maddux. I think everyone here knows Madog is my all time favorite baseball player but
Fergie’s contributions to the Cubs are more significant and he should not have to share his moment. That said I am very grateful Maddux will be there today and he certainly deserves to be honored by the Cubs.. I just wish they could each have had their own day.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on May 3, 2009 10:55 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Fergie vs. Maddux...
I remember having this debate with someone probably a couple months ago. Can’t remember if it was on here, or via email with a friend, or what. But the bottom line was that Fergie and Greg have VERY similar numbers as members of the Cubs. I don’t see Fergie’s contributions being “more significant” at all.
by kanderber on May 3, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is silly
Late response but back from the game. Fergie won the VAST majority of his games for the Cubs and spent his most of his best years with them, Maddux won under 40% of his games with the Cubs and had only one of his best seasons with them. There is no question that Fergie was more important as a Cub or lets say had a more important career as a Cub, the fact that Maddux will go in as a Brave is clear evidence of this. I am second to no one or almost no one in my appreciation of Maddux and today really was wonderful but the fact remains he did not spend his best years with the Cubs and Fergie did.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on May 3, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, it's not silly.
Fergie was better as a Cub, no doubt. I don’t think anyone will debate that. My point was that it’s a lot closer than most people think. Some stats…
Maddux
133-112 record (.542 winning percent)
3.61 ERA
Jenkins
167-132 (.558 winning percent)
3.21 ERA
A lot of people, Cubs fans and non Cubs fans, tend to dismiss Greg’s numbers as a Cub just because he was SO good in Atlanta. But, he wasn’t nearly as “forgettable” as people often think.
by kanderber on May 4, 2009 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trust me I am the LAST person to think Maddux was "forgettable"
as a Cub. But those numbers as a Cub would not get his number retired. It was retired because he is the greatest pitcher of his era and the Cub fans love him but not because of his Cub numbers which I think is not the right thing mostly because it devalued Fergie
However I LOVED seeing the flag go up and am glad it is there.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on May 4, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Consider also...
… that Fergie’s first two full years as a Cub (1967-68) were extreme pitchers’ years. The entire era when he was a Cub was a lower-offense era than the era Maddux played in as a Cub.
The two Cub careers are pretty close, IMO.
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by Al Yellon on May 4, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know what you mean about being nervous.
A couple years ago, I was in Greg’s condo building on Lakeshore Drive doing work in another unit, and as I was leaving I got on the elevator, only to find myself riding with Maddux, his son, and their dog. I didn’t want to say anything stupid or even let on that I was a big Cubs fan so I just said, “How ya doin?” and then reached down to scratch his dog behind the ear. I commented on what a pretty dog she was, and he said “Thanks. Yeah, she’s great.” Typical understated Maddux. We reached the first floor and went separate ways but I was pretty glad to have kept my composure, but I’m sure he would have been cool either way. He just seemed like such a normal guy.
"I'll never forget how I felt last October." ~Kosuke Fukudome
by Goodie1969 on May 3, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just curious
but whats Jim Edmonds up too? I’m pretty sure he isnt playing right now, but did he have spring training with anyone? He really provided a lot for the Cubs last year and i think a player like him is something this team is sorely missing. Of course with all the injuries lately its really showing how weak our bench is.
by TJ3117 on May 3, 2009 11:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Do a search for Edmonds on this site...
…this was discussed in detail about a week ago
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by carmen_fanzone on May 3, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh
so sorry i dont constantly come to this site to see what is being discussed. i thought it was a simple question.
by TJ3117 on May 3, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you'll probably get more info there (in the old thread)...
…than posting it here, today.
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by carmen_fanzone on May 3, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Enjoy the game guys
Off to the game – cant wait for the Maddux ovation!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on May 3, 2009 11:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
putting the DVR on definitely
I want to remember this event for a long time
Movement to make Jeff Samardzija our closer!
by Chanman25 on May 3, 2009 11:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
#23 and #31 both retired vs the Marlins
is that due to Dawson being part of the Marlins, and allows him to be there since he was a part of both their careers.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 3, 2009 11:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Question
How exactly did Maddux end up with this number? I get that the Cubs don’t retire numbers very often, but you’d think they would have the foresight to NOT let someone else use certain numbers, just in case.
Both of these guys should have had their own ceremonies.
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by Worf on May 3, 2009 12:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Found this....
What’s interesting about Jenkins is that he didn’t want Number 31 when he first joined the Cubs. Originally, he requested Number 30, but Cubs clubhouse man Yosh Kawano informed Jenkins that young lefty Kenny Holtzman already wore that number."My birthday is December 13, so I reversed the numbers to make it 31," Jenkins once told a reporter.
When Maddux made the big leagues late in the 1986 season, he stepped into the Cubs clubhouse and without asking…was given Number 31.
"I remember walking down the stairs into the clubhouse. (The Number 31 jersey) was there in my locker. Being 20-years-old at the time, the last thing I was going to do was complain about my number. I was just happy to be there," Maddux told the Chicago Tribune last month. "I thought that was pretty cool that they gave me (Jenkins’) number."
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by carmen_fanzone on May 3, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember reading Yosh did the same with Ryno
he wanted 10 IIRC
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 3, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where did you find this?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al Yellon on May 3, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It sure would be nice to start leaving that .500 record in their rearview mirror.
The Cubs need to start building some traction, especially at home.
Let’s do it!!
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by LAcarl519 on May 3, 2009 12:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the way the team has played since Theriot's Slam
it seems as though they might be turning the corner here’s hoping this is another step in the right direction
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by BoVandy on May 3, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hoping D-Lee has a good performance....
that home run was a great sign.
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by Unique on May 3, 2009 12:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I am not trying to be a party pooper
but I am not still sold on him. I hope he proves me wrong.
by cubsnlinux on May 3, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guten Tag, everyone
Greetings from Landstuhl Regional Medical Center, Germany. Or at least, the USO right outside the hospital and also right outside my home for the next week, the lodging rooms.
There’s no wifi in the rooms which kills me but at least it is here in the USO.
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by sanantonecub on May 3, 2009 12:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My dad told me a story today about Maddux
and why he was sent down early in his career. Dawson had been HPB by the opposing team, and Frey told him DO NOT RETALIATE or you are heading abck to AAA. Maddux not only hit a batter to protect Dawson, by as he was leaving the dugout, he told Dawson “see you next season”
can anyone confirm this?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 3, 2009 12:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maddux never pitched when Frey he was the manager...
…and only got hit once (his 3rd season) during his first go around with the Cubs.
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by carmen_fanzone on May 3, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maddux was not the one hit I mentioned
Dawson was HBP
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 3, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, wait, I read it wrong....
..forget that 2nd part. Maddux came up in September his first year when Gene Micheal was manager.
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by carmen_fanzone on May 3, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Michael as well
and was too lazy to look it up.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 3, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frey was fired 2 months into the 86 season and Maddux made his debut as a pinch runner odd enough in sept of 86.
by AzCubfan24 on May 3, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
which is still
missing the main point of the question.
We have determined that it was not with Frey as Mgr, but what about the HBP?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 3, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was 7 years old then. Sorry I cant remember.
by AzCubfan24 on May 3, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One would think that would be a story that someone else on here would have heard before.
by AzCubfan24 on May 3, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly, and is why I asked
I was 10 in 86 so I would not remember first hand (most likely)
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 3, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe this game?
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHN/CHN198707070.shtml
But that doesn’t work because it was a home game and Maddux hit Santiago at the top of the inning and Dawson the bottom.
Maddux was 5-7 at the time.
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by carmen_fanzone on May 3, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think my dad is just too hung over personally
and confusing games, or players….who knows
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 3, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
errr.......Dawson got hit the bottom of the inning.
That’s the only game that year that Maddux had an HBP when Dawson got HBP.
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by carmen_fanzone on May 3, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I think it works.
Dawson homered in the bottom of the 1st, and when he batted in the bottom of the 3rd, Eric Show hit him. Then in the top of the 4th, Maddux strikes out the first two batters, and then hits Benito Santiago. (Santiago is then caught stealing.)
Both Show and Maddux were taken out of the game after those HBPs.
And the next day, my older daughter was born. And this Spring she graduates from college, magna cum laude and phi beta kappa. Not that I’m bragging or anything…
by ChipSet on May 3, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe...
… the reason Maddux hit Santiago (instead of the first batter of the inning) is that he blamed Santiago for calling the pitch that Show threw that hit Dawson.
Congrats to your daughter!
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by Al Yellon on May 4, 2009 3:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His only HPB his first year was vs. Pittsburgh
2nd year he only had 4, and wasn’t having a great season, so maybe it was one of those games?
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by carmen_fanzone on May 3, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont see a gap in his starts
long enough to be accurate with his story.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 3, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, there may have been a chance for him to be sent down...
…but I don’t think he ever was.
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by carmen_fanzone on May 3, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
unless it was a game in October
oh well, I was just curious if anyone knew anything about it being true or not
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by Cubbie-Tim on May 3, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have heard this story before..
I think I read it in “Banks to Sandberg to Grace”
Guy at bar: "Do you just like that hat or do you like Chicago?"
Me: "I'm in Love, Obsessed and Addicted to the Chicago Cubs!"
by KC in OK on May 3, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
found it pg 211 under Rick Sutcliffe
“Maddux was pitching that day, and they told Maddux before that game if he didn’t win, he was going to get sent back to the minors. It was the bottom of the forth when that happened, and I told Maddux “You need three outs to get the win. You get those three outs.”
He said “No, I’m going to hit the first guy.”
Guy at bar: "Do you just like that hat or do you like Chicago?"
Me: "I'm in Love, Obsessed and Addicted to the Chicago Cubs!"
by KC in OK on May 3, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is a very true story but a few facts are wrong
You can check out my profile of Maddux in Al’s 100 greatest Cubs for more details.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on May 3, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any chance Maddux and Fergie
drop the ceremonial puck Tuesday at the Hawks game?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on May 3, 2009 12:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
deserving ceremony
What great memories those guys provide.
by coral on May 3, 2009 1:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jenkins pure joy, Maddox bittersweet
Jenkinswas part of that late 60s team, including the ’69 Cubs, which in my mind was the best Cubs team of all time, should have been in the World Series that year. That team was the team of my childhood, they were all heros to me, and Jenkins was one of those heros. I have his baseball card for every year he was a Cub.
Maddox is bitter sweet because he should have been a career Cub. He could have been a key part of a resurgence of the Cubs as a playoff caliber team. The Cubs let him get away, and there will always be some bitterness in my heart about that. Terrible mistake, that a day like this sort of brings back.
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by letsplay2two on May 3, 2009 1:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Al's been unusually prescient lately
So the Cubs once again play the Marlins on a day when a uniform number will be retired. The same result as four years ago would be nice, including the D-Lee performance.
Who does your palm reading?
by northernsails on May 3, 2009 4:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I wish I could be as prescient with lottery numbers.
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