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The talk about the late 70's Cub teams and how there was no animosity between the Giants and Cubs existing.

 In the late 70's or early 80's there was a huge Giants-Cubs on the field brawl. It ended the moment Cubs coach Peanut Lowery fell on the ground with a heart attack. Maybe Al remembers this more clearly than my old mind?

  These were among the last years that you could walk up to Wrigley on game day and get a seat anywhere in the park of your choosing. And for less than 10 bucks.

 I hate the Giants. But I once caught a Willie Mays HR while sitting in the LF bleachers, in the early to mid 60's. I also caught a HR ball hit by Cal Ripken, in Baltimore. In other words. If you hit a HR to me....you're instantly in the HOF.

"The Cubs will be in heaven in 77'  "

 Ed

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of SB Nation or Al Yellon, managing editor (unless it's a FanPost posted by Al). FanPost opinions are valued expressions of opinion by passionate and knowledgeable baseball fans.

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Nah, this is fine here. Interesting old story.

I don’t recall Peanuts Lowrey having an on-field heart attack, though.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on May 5, 2009 7:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have a vague recollection

Wouldn’t have thought it was a heart attack, but it’s stuck back there in my mind somewhere…

Fontenot (fon-te-no): Cajun for "scrappy"

by cubzfan on May 5, 2009 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

I presume the esteemed author is no relation?

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by daver on May 5, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Can

you let one post go by without making a comment like this. I mean is it really necessary?

by tizzle on May 5, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

uh oh

the pink hat guy is my father

by joeschmitt on May 5, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

nice post

I didn't get the players I wanted in the offseason!! Hopefully I get what I want in the Regular Season---The World Series Trophy!! Go Cubbies!!

by cubsluver22 on May 5, 2009 7:51 AM CDT reply actions  

1989 NLCS

That;s the only time I can remember any real rivalry between the Giants and Cubs. I don’t remember the late 1970’s, but I don’t recall any big rivalry between the two clubs in the early 1980’s. The Cubs had a big rivalry with the Mets back then in “epic” battles for next to last place in the NL East.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on May 5, 2009 8:06 AM CDT reply actions  

I went to the three games of the 1989 NLCS in San Francisco.

Giants fans were cordial and welcoming and praised Mark Grace for his amazing series (he hit .647 in a losing cause).

What a contrast from the Padres fans in 1984, who were horrendous.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on May 5, 2009 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

22 - Clark

I find it ironic that the CTA bus line “22 – Clark” can take you from downtown Chicago to Wrigley Field and back again. 22 was Clark’s number with San Francisco.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on May 5, 2009 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Mays HR -- Did you throw it back?

I remember (must of been 69 or 70) Mays in center, and left-center fleld bleacher fans chanting “Willie Mays, Superstar, who in the hell do you think you are?”, to the tune of JC Superstar. We could tell from his looks back he hated that. Which made it even sweeter.

by BatCubFan on May 5, 2009 9:23 AM CDT reply actions  

That. Is. Awesome.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on May 5, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

From what I have read....

the bleacher chants from the 1960’s and 70’s, at least in the creativity category, blow away the bleacher chants today. Personally, I get a bit tired of “Left field sucks” and “Right field sucks”. I’m not a bleacher regular though, (I’m usually in Terrace Reserve level seats in the grandstand to try to be cost efficient) so maybe there are some chants that I’m not aware of.

"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on May 5, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

you know that commercial -

where the guy at that staff meeting is jettisoned out the window for suggesting no more Miller Lite? That’s what should happen to the people who start and/or participate in the innane “L/F – R.F. sucks” chant. Press a button — launch them onto Waveland or Sheffield.

Yes, I can confirm, IMHO, the chanting and heckling in the old days was more creative. My personal fav, while not exactly rocket science, was “14-18-11-10, c’mon infield do it again” after every ground out.

by BatCubFan on May 5, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Amen to that

And if you think THAT’s bad, do you know what passes for clever chanting in the student section at Camp Randall?

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on May 5, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

There were a lot of fights last night between Cubs and Giants fans.

When did this series become so heated?

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on May 5, 2009 9:31 AM CDT reply actions  

Cubs fans

are jittery with the uneven play (although that’s hopefully gone now) and the Giants suck on the road.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 5, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

ESPN's mike and mike

reported this am that dodgers/giants was the #1 perceived rivalry in baseball

yanks/sox was #2 and cubs/cardinals a distant 6th…..SIXTH???

no way…

forbes mag list:

http://www.forbes.com/2009/04/28/baseball-best-rivalries-lifestyle-sports-baseball.html

by 12to23to17 on May 5, 2009 10:36 AM CDT reply actions  

Have you ever been to a Dodgers/Giants game?

It’s pretty brutal. I saw people throwing full bottles of water as hard as they could at opposing fans. It was crazy.

Not saying that it deserves the #1 ranking, but it’s pretty intense.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on May 5, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cubs-Cardinals

I believe the rivalry was put 6th because the Cubs and Cardinals have not been in the pennant race together too often. Though, recent history would show otherwise. 1973 (maybe), 1989, 2001, 2003, and 2007 (maybe) would be years that they competed with each other until close to the end of the season.

In 1973, the Cardinals finished only 1.5 games behind the Mets with the Cubs finishing 5 behind New York. Okay, neither team finished in first that year. The Cubs were just 77-84.

In 1989, St. Louis finished third and 7 games behind the first-place Cubs. The Cardinals were the last team to be mathematically eliminated by the Cubs. St. Louis, at one point in September, was only a half-game behind Chicago. The Mets finished second at 6 games back.

In 2001, the Astros and Cards tied for the NL Central title finishing 5 games ahead of the Cubs. The Cubs led the NL Central that season as late as mid-August.

In 2003, Chicago finished just 3 games ahead of third-place St. Louis in the division. Houston finished 1 game out.

In 2007, the Cubs finished 7 games ahead of the third-place Cardinals with the Brewers finishing 2 games behind. I would note that St. Louis wasn’t in contention after mid-September, when they lost 3 out of 4 to the Cubs in a series at Busch Stadium. The Cardinals were just 78-84.

I would argue since 2001 that the Cubs-Cardinals rivalry has become very meaningful.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on May 5, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Cubs-Cards rivalry is unique in another way....

which has been discussed here many times. Most of the big rivalries in sports that any sports fan would rattle off (Yankees-Red Sox, Giants-Dodgers, Bears-Packers, UNC-Duke, Ohio State-Michigan, etc.) are entertaining in the sense that there is a raw, visceral hatred among not only the fans, but seemingly between the players on each side too. As intense as the Cubs-Cardinals rivalry is, this is a rivalry built on mutual respect, even though most Cards fans will never admit that. They are knowledgeable enough fans to respect Cub fans and what we have going here. Cub fans, likewise, respect the fact that they have an illustrious history (much to our chagrin) of winning and that St. Louis is a great baseball town. You often see groups of friends, or families, or even husband-wife and boyfriend-girlfriend combos which are on opposite sides of the rivalry. I just can’t seem to think of another rivalry in which this is the case, unless maybe it’s Cubs-Sox are another one of the inter-city rivalries around baseball. But the Cubs-Sox rivalry, although it’s very intense, is not really well-known outside of this area.

"Don't complain to me about the stormy weather, boys. Just bring the ship into port." --Steve Stone, September 2004

by ctcoff99 on May 5, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Rec'd.

I enjoy the Cubs/Cardinals rivalry. It is heated on the field, but as you said, there is a great deal of mutual respect, and I have seen some Cardinals fans give that respect back.

Who’d really want to hate like Yankees/Red Sox? Ugh.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on May 5, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I lived in San Diego

for 11 years. Been to numerous Cubs games in Los Angeles, San Francisco and San Diego. By far Padre fans are the most obnoxious, unknowledgable out there. San Francisco is a close second in the obnoxious department but are more knowledgable about their players and the game.

LA fans couldn’t care less… Just there to be seen.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance 1B/Manager 1908 World Champion Chicago Cubs

by imknowdummy on May 5, 2009 11:43 AM CDT reply actions  

I'll second that

I’ve been to 15 or so Cubs vs Dodgers games in LA over the last 6 years. Many of the fans are not even pretending to pay attention… not all, but many. Though I have to say I sometimes see the same “day at the park with the fam” scene at Wrigley, too.

I’ll be in SD tomorrow to meet up with an old friend and catch the game at Petco vs AZ – should be interesting, since I don’t care who wins :)

Jackie likes the smell of cut grass, he used to play ball on Saturdays, Playin in the sun...

by PacificCub on May 5, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

SD is the worst? Have you been to Miller Park?

My latest trip there was for the Peoria-WI Rapids game. Someone hit a drive down the left-field line, and a Brewer fan behind me said, “There’s a gapper.” Later, with the bases loaded, a squibber was hit on the third base line. Brenly grabbed it and tagged the lead runner on his way to the plate, prompting another Brewer fan to yell, “Bad baserunning” — apparently, he’s not familiar with the concept of a forceout.

And then, there’s the reaction that you get if you wear gear supporting another team.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on May 5, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's everywhere unfortunately

dumb-asses that is.

In the Wrigley BLEACHERS a few years ago I had a guy ask what a 4-6-3 was.

However it seems that the left-coast seems to be more “attendees” than “fans”. I base that on experience having been to baseball games at the 3 NL parks years ago (Candlestick and Jack Murphy as well as Chavez Ravine) and a bit more recently the 2 NHL arenas (Forum and duck pond).

Most egregious was for the Dodgers. Come late, sit on their hands, leave early. If the organ or scoreboard ever blew a fuse, you’d be able to hear crickets chirping.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on May 6, 2009 7:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, I know the idiots are everywhere - including Wrigley Field

To my second point, I’ve been to Cub games in New York, Cincinatti, St. Louis, Montreal, Los Angeles (although I was very young at the time) and I’ve never seen the hostility that I see in Milwaukee.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on May 6, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Must be a San Diego thing...

…have been to several NFL games involving the Chargers and have found their fans to also be incredibly obnoxious and unknowledgable. Must be lots of dual Padre/Charger ticketholders…or just something in the water in SanDiego!

by NashCub on May 5, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just front-runners,

and, they are pissed off fans since so many people who have relocated to SD from elsewhere — bring their own loyalties to the ball park. I saw Padres fans (season ticket holders) take off their home jerseys for Red Sox gear when Boston came to town.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on May 5, 2009 5:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Dodger Fans Are NOT Pacificists

Not all, mind you, are gang members attending a baseball game, but there’s enough displaced Raider fans at Chavez Ravine these days to make going to a game a dicey proposition for an opposing fan. I haven’t been to a game there in over three years.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on May 6, 2009 7:23 AM CDT reply actions  

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