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Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0

by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 6, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 6, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

wait

yes. Stupid refresh.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 6, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LMAO

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 6, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rami

fouls another one off.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 6, 2009 9:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

First??

IF IT TAKES FOREVER!!

by Cubfansince1957 on May 6, 2009 9:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

it lies

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 6, 2009 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sob!!

IF IT TAKES FOREVER!!

by Cubfansince1957 on May 6, 2009 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ty for linky

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 6, 2009 9:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good AB for Rami

"Aramis Ramirez, with the guys I've ever played with in my career, is as clutch a hitter as I've seen. He smells it." -Ryan Dempster
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on May 6, 2009 9:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Couldn't you just hide from them?

Move to Alaska or something…

"Aramis Ramirez, with the guys I've ever played with in my career, is as clutch a hitter as I've seen. He smells it." -Ryan Dempster
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on May 6, 2009 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you live in Alaska now

home of the Wealth Spread.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 6, 2009 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you can just walk to russia from alaska

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."

by jkobus on May 6, 2009 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

can you shoot a moose

and offer them the meat as an offset?

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 6, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BOOOOOO

As someone who had to pay (A LOT) for the first time ever this year, I feel your pain.

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by Chris Dobbertean on May 6, 2009 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

get a job at the white house

Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton

by KaliCub on May 6, 2009 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't pay...you can get a cabinet post maybe!

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on May 6, 2009 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i just finished paying $2300

i know the pain

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 6, 2009 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

cmon, now...

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 6, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

[self deleted due to overt political statement}

"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will

by eswan9 on May 6, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

nope, Al wouldn't like me anymore

BTW agree 100%

"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will

by eswan9 on May 6, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no shit

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 6, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The IRS sent us

a check for $101.50 and on the same day sent us a statement saying we owed them $101.58. The 8 cents was the interest on the 101.50 we owed.

by sue369 on May 6, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that sucks

maybe you can just give it to me? I just discovered I can get all mine back thanks to the Midwestern Disaster thing..

by illinicubgirl on May 6, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm a poor grad student

So at least something is going my way. Tho I have a feeling I will not see the money for a LONG time.

by illinicubgirl on May 6, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

another foul

"I think they all have good stuff...and stuff wins up here" Lou Piniella

by left coast cubbie on May 6, 2009 9:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

ANOTHER foul ball

for Rami.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 6, 2009 9:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice battle here.

Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0

by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 6, 2009 9:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

who will have pitched

the 9th for us? heilman?

by brian custer on May 6, 2009 9:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Scales

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on May 6, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

One can dream?

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."

by jkobus on May 6, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Retire. His. Number.

"Aramis Ramirez, with the guys I've ever played with in my career, is as clutch a hitter as I've seen. He smells it." -Ryan Dempster
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on May 6, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

rofl

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 6, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is there an honor higher? Cause thats what he deserves

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."

by jkobus on May 6, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gregg

I would hope. It’s a save situation, and I have a bet, you see…

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 6, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

the closer... in a save opp?

Shirley, you’re kidding!

by Allie on May 6, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no, I'm not

and don’t call me Shirley!

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 6, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

she can call you what ever she wants

and you can’t stop her LOL

"That's what you live for. You live for the opportunity and when that day comes, you better be ready," Soto said. "I tried to make sure that whenever they gave me a chance, I was ready and I knew I had to take advantage of the opportunity."

by Madison Cub Fan on May 6, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Zambrano

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 6, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rami

grounds out to shot. Three outs. On to the bottom of the ninth!

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 6, 2009 9:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Rami's gotta be out of gas now.

Hope Lou doesn’t bench him tomorrow…..

"He can't hit, he can't field, he can't run—all he can do is beat you."

by Itchy on May 6, 2009 9:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

hope not

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 6, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rami

NICE PLAY! One out!

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 6, 2009 9:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Rami showing some leather

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 6, 2009 9:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Meh.

Nah.

"Aramis Ramirez, with the guys I've ever played with in my career, is as clutch a hitter as I've seen. He smells it." -Ryan Dempster
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on May 6, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rami is obviously not out of gas.

"Aramis Ramirez, with the guys I've ever played with in my career, is as clutch a hitter as I've seen. He smells it." -Ryan Dempster
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on May 6, 2009 9:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

of course not

there are a lot of Mexican eateries in Houston

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 6, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

IF IT TAKES FOREVER!!

by Cubfansince1957 on May 6, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hope he doesn't take in any cockfights tonight!

"He can't hit, he can't field, he can't run—all he can do is beat you."

by Itchy on May 6, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep. Looks great

"He can't hit, he can't field, he can't run—all he can do is beat you."

by Itchy on May 6, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jason Michael

pinch hitting for the Strohs. Gathright in center for the cubs, Johnson to right. I presume Sori is still in left, or maybe the Cubs have pulled the goalie.

Strike one.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 6, 2009 9:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep, Sori's still in left.

Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0

by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 6, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

Micahaels always makes me laugh cause when I google Jason Michaels (a genious comedy writer who interned at College Humor) he pops up and I have never known who he was
jason michaels college humor

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."

by jkobus on May 6, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He battles the pitcher, and makes a NICE play!

Way to go ARam!

Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0

by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 6, 2009 9:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

best player on the team

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on May 6, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

why do we call him that again?

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 6, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What do you use to jump a car?

Cables.

And thy aren’t good for anything else.

by Allie on May 6, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh, right.

I’ll make a note of it. :P

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 6, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Someone should put it in the dictionary.

Someone other than me. I’m lazy

by Allie on May 6, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I woulda

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"Aramis Ramirez, with the guys I've ever played with in my career, is as clutch a hitter as I've seen. He smells it." -Ryan Dempster
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on May 6, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

someone light the AL beacon!

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 6, 2009 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn

Someone wake Al up!

LOL

by Allie on May 6, 2009 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

what jumps cars

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 6, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

/me bows

Thank ye, m’good lady

by northernsails on May 6, 2009 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gregg seems to be

dealing tonight. That’s good.

K! Two outs!

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 6, 2009 9:53 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Gregg K's Michaels.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on May 6, 2009 9:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Pretty sure not

He likes giving up that 1 walk.

"Aramis Ramirez, with the guys I've ever played with in my career, is as clutch a hitter as I've seen. He smells it." -Ryan Dempster
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on May 6, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Strike one

1-1 on Matsui

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 6, 2009 9:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

2-2

on Matsui. Wrigley is hopping!

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 6, 2009 9:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on May 6, 2009 9:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Win!

That’s hilarious!

by northernsails on May 6, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOVE IT!!!

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 6, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You mean Vitruvian Man

"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse

by BigJohnAZ on May 6, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you've been busy

in the offseason. I’m telling you—- coffee table book.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 6, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

grounder to short

CUBS WIN! CUBS WIN! CUBS WIN!!!

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 6, 2009 9:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Cubs win!

"Aramis Ramirez, with the guys I've ever played with in my career, is as clutch a hitter as I've seen. He smells it." -Ryan Dempster
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on May 6, 2009 9:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah baby, way to start the trip

Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton

by KaliCub on May 6, 2009 9:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 6, 2009 9:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

CUBS WIN!!!!

Visit bloggingthebracket.com, SBNation's bracketology/hoops rambling site!

by Chris Dobbertean on May 6, 2009 9:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Great game everybody

Until tomorrow…have a great night

by murphymj on May 6, 2009 9:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Gregg does well when he throws stirkes.

:-)

Yay! Back just in time to sing!

by Allie on May 6, 2009 9:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Is tomorrow's game on WGN?

Asks those of us out in Colorado country?

IF IT TAKES FOREVER!!

by Cubfansince1957 on May 6, 2009 9:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think so

At least. Its not listed on Dish yet.

by Allie on May 6, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

flying the W

good game, see you all next time

"I think they all have good stuff...and stuff wins up here" Lou Piniella

by left coast cubbie on May 6, 2009 9:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Harden has

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 6, 2009 9:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i wish i'd gotten to see him!

stupid comcast & night games.

by Allie on May 6, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

I’ll try to post it after every Cubs win, just like Northsider used to do.

Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0

by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 6, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

CUBS WIN!! CUBS WIN!! CUBS WIN!!

FLY IT!!!

I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...

by Jimmyeatworld on May 6, 2009 9:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The Original

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 6, 2009 9:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Much better.

"Aramis Ramirez, with the guys I've ever played with in my career, is as clutch a hitter as I've seen. He smells it." -Ryan Dempster
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on May 6, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Night all.

Great game, see you tomorrow night.

by sue369 on May 6, 2009 10:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

'Night, sue!

"Aramis Ramirez, with the guys I've ever played with in my career, is as clutch a hitter as I've seen. He smells it." -Ryan Dempster
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on May 6, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

alright everyone!

Good night, and we’ll see you tomorrow! GO CUBS GO!

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 6, 2009 10:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Another nice victory

Harden looked shaky early but dominant late. Offense in the first inning was all the Cubs needed. And they took advantage of some gifts.

Here’s hoping Lilly doesn’t get smacked around like he did last time in Houston and they get the sweep.

by Not Bruce Froemming on May 6, 2009 10:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Pretty solid night

Quality start leads to a win for Harden
Cubs scored all the runs they needed in the first
bullpen actually held the lead
Gregg looks a bit better

by northernsails on May 6, 2009 10:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Last.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on May 6, 2009 10:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Knucklehead.

"Aramis Ramirez, with the guys I've ever played with in my career, is as clutch a hitter as I've seen. He smells it." -Ryan Dempster
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on May 6, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha!

I win! :-P

by Allie on May 6, 2009 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like winning

And I love when Kevin Gregg throws strikes.

by Allie on May 6, 2009 10:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

1-2-3 is not a bad way to get your 5th save

"Aramis Ramirez, with the guys I've ever played with in my career, is as clutch a hitter as I've seen. He smells it." -Ryan Dempster
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on May 6, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure

Seemed that way, though. It was kind of a shock to not see that lead-off walk.

"Aramis Ramirez, with the guys I've ever played with in my career, is as clutch a hitter as I've seen. He smells it." -Ryan Dempster
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on May 6, 2009 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure seems like it but actually

He pitched two awesome innings in a Cards game saving Marmol’s ass.

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on May 6, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True.

Had forgotten about that. Had to put out Marmol’s fire and then shut ’em down in the 9th, as well.

"Aramis Ramirez, with the guys I've ever played with in my career, is as clutch a hitter as I've seen. He smells it." -Ryan Dempster
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on May 6, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He really was great in that outing

I hope we see more of that guy.

by Allie on May 6, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

in 12.2 IP, he has had four 1-2-3 innings

"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer

by BoVandy on May 6, 2009 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope

I’ll take that

by Allie on May 6, 2009 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still hate seeing all those guys LOB

but at least we’re getting them there, and pushed enough over. Nice game by Harden.

by chitownhawkeye on May 6, 2009 10:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think we clogged the bases too much tonight

"Oh Crap"
-Famous Last Words by General George Custer

by BoVandy on May 6, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Theriot - interesting note

He’s only the second player in the past 70 years to end a home run drought of at least 600 at-bats by homering in consecutive games, joining former Cub Gene Clines more than 30 years ago.

"He can't hit, he can't field, he can't run—all he can do is beat you."

by Itchy on May 6, 2009 10:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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Cubs By The Numbers is a history of the ballclub by uniform number, but the biographies help trace the history of our beloved team in a new way. For everyone who's a Cubs fan, anyone who ever wore the uniform is like family. Cubs By The Numbers reintroduces readers to some of their long-lost ancestors, even ones they think they already know.

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