Soriano's Two HR Help Lead Cubs Over Astros 8-5, But The Chad Fox Mystery Deepens
by Al on May 8, 2009 8:00 AM CDT
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It's a good thing Alfonso Soriano hit two home runs last night, one of them in the ninth inning, because if Chad Fox had come into the game with only a 4-2 lead, we might not be talking about a Cubs victory this morning.
Of course, Fox probably wouldn't have been in the game at all with a 4-2 lead; the only reason Lou decided to give him some work is likely the fact that the Cubs' four-run ninth gave the club a six-run lead, and that's supposed to be safe enough to give the last guy in your bullpen some work.
Safe enough, maybe; but by the time Fox was done, Lou had to summon Kevin Gregg, even though it wasn't yet a save situation. Gregg did allow the Astros' final run to score, but threw only nine pitches in finishing off the 8-5 victory, the Cubs' sixth in their last seven games. With Milwaukee's loss to Cincinnati, the Cubs moved ahead of the Brewers into sole possession of second place, 2.5 games behind the Cardinals, going into this weekend's series against the Brew Crew at Miller Park (didn't we just do this Houston/Milwaukee trip? Thanks, bad schedule makers!).
Can we declare the Chad Fox experiment over, give him his gold watch, and send him off into retirement? Did he inherit the Neifi Perez Memorial Collection of compromising photos of Jim Hendry? He couldn't find the strike zone (8 strikes in 17 pitches, and several of those strikes were hit hard) and appears done. What did he do last night that Jeff Stevens couldn't do? Stevens, despite also having some control issues at Iowa, has given up only four hits in 13 innings for a 0.85 WHIP. I hope Jim Hendry recalls Stevens; he'd be the perfect last guy in the pen, plus, that would give the Cubs at least some positive return in the Mark DeRosa deal. And can we also declare the Joey Gathright experiment over? He misplayed a ball in CF in the 9th last night (getting signals crossed with Soriano) that wound up as an Ivan Rodriguez triple. I'd DFA Gathright today when Randy Wells is called up for tonight's start and keep Bobby Scales as a bench player.
The rest of the team did just fine last night, pounding out 14 hits off Russ Ortiz (again, I ask: why does this guy still have a major league uniform) and five Houston relievers, including a shelling of Felipe Paulino in the 9th (they'd almost have been better off with Ronny Paulino pitching). Meanwhile, Ted Lilly threw a solid six innings; his only real mistake was a two-run homer to Miguel Tejada, surprisingly Tejada's first of the year, which gave the Astros a brief 2-1 lead. They didn't score again until Fox came into the game in the 9th. Four Cubs had at least two hits, and Aramis Ramirez had three, raising his average to .369.
I suppose I protest too much. The club looked good last night; even Ryan Theriot, who got picked off third base and took the Cubs out of a possible big inning in the first, redeemed himself later by walking, doubling and scoring two runs. In addition to the 14 hits, the Cubs drew five walks and continue to be on a pace that will approach the team record for a season (650, set in 1975). There are, though, a couple of players on this roster that just don't belong there, Fox and Gathright. It's time to send them home.
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6-1 in May!
May this month never end! Lets pack Wrigley North!
"I'll tell you what's helped me my entire life. I look at baseball as a game. It's something where people can go out, enjoy and have fun. Nothing more." - Harry Caray
by goodstuff96 on May 8, 2009 8:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1... i'll be there tonight...
… anybody else?
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on May 8, 2009 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is the +1 for a win tonight?
Hope you get it.
remember
Sammy Jankis
by neverAcquiesce on May 8, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And in six weeks of baseball
the first win on a Thursday!!!!
by JFCubFan on May 8, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
we finally got the hang of Thursdays.
Oriole by nurture. Cub by marriage.
by wax eagle on May 8, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or finally got
wasted wednesdays under control
by Allie on May 8, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fox Not MLB Material
I root for Fox because of all his injury problems, but he’s had multiple opportunities to prove himself at the big league level since 2003. He simply isn’t good enough to be in the big leagues.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on May 8, 2009 8:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I have to believe Fox will be going to the DL soon...
so that he can collect MLB service time without hurting the team. I like the idea of calling up Stevens and seeing what he can do. I wouldn’t call him the last guy in the pen though – that would be Patton. But if Stevens could give us something, that’d give us five decent arms back there (Marmol, Heilman, Gregg, Guzman, and Stevens) for Piniella to work with.
As for Gathright, I wasn’t a fan of the idea to begin with. It made a bit more sense before the Cubs started using Hoffpauir as a corner OF and Fukudome got his bat going. But now, there’s really no value we’re getting from him. I don’t think Scales is worth much, so I wouldn’t be heartbroken to see him sent down. But he’s at least an extra IF, and he provides as much with the bat as Gathright likely will.
by SouthernCub on May 8, 2009 8:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Gathright
That career OPS of .630 is just simply too low in this day and age. He has exactly zero extra-base hits for the Cubs this season and only 38 extra-base hits in 1159 AB’s. He’s a punch ‘n judy hitter’s punch ’n judy hitter. This Ced Landrum-type has got to go.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on May 8, 2009 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're right
He’ll have some myserious soreness today and go on the DL for the rest of the year.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on May 8, 2009 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question
Maybe you know. If Fox is on the DL does he still get his ML salary? I would think so. If so than why would the Cubs “eat” this amount of money? Just because they are nice guys and want him to make his 10 years? Does not sound like good business sense to me. Also he burns a roster spot.
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"
by wild bill on May 8, 2009 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, he gets the ML minimum.
He doesn’t eat up a roster spot if they move him to the 60 day DL which removes a player from the 40 man roster spot. The player still earns ML service time ont he 60 day DL ( I think).
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on May 8, 2009 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point about the 60 day DL
Not sure
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on May 8, 2009 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How does the roster spot thing work if he's on the 60 day DL?
(I’m asking seriously)… isn’t he kind of in no-man’s land? Techincally on the roster without really being on the 40 man?
Or am I confused?
by Allie on May 8, 2009 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A player on the 60-day DL simply does not count vs. the 40-man roster limit.
But he still gets his salary. I am not sure about 60-day DL service time. Generally, players are only placed on the 60-day DL if:
a) they are definitely out for the season, and/or
b) the team needs a roster spot and the player is not due back before the 60 days is up.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 8, 2009 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No need for the 60-day DL for now...
As we have LOTS of space on the 40-man roster. If Fox does go on the DL, it’ll be to the 15-day DL.
by SouthernCub on May 8, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe that he does get the money, yes
But it can’t be much more than league minimum. As far as the roster goes, it’s only 1 of 40.
It seems odd, but I think that this might be a case of doing something nice for someone now and getting a rep as a players’ GM – which helps to sign/retain free agents later.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on May 8, 2009 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
there could be something that we as fans would not be aware of. I am not sure of the league mini, but still a few hundred thousand dollars is a lot to throw away.
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"
by wild bill on May 8, 2009 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not something to be worried about
If they burn a few hundred thousand. Who cares?
by rlpete on May 8, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't
care at all, really. My point was coming more from a business sense.
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"
by wild bill on May 8, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How much does 300,000 (or whatever the real # is)
matter in a budget of $134 million?
by Allie on May 8, 2009 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To me
if my business and my money, it means a lot. But for others maybe not.
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"
by wild bill on May 8, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
$300K here, $300K there
Pretty soon you’re talking real money…
"Aramis Ramirez, with the guys I've ever played with in my career, is as clutch a hitter as I've seen. He smells it." -Ryan Dempster
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on May 8, 2009 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
:)
I think that it’s viewed as an investment, though — in other players per the whole “players’ GM” thing
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on May 8, 2009 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well it "matters"
but if its part of a plan to keep a player/agent happy by doing a good thing which could help you with another player of that agent…
its probably worth it, or at least Hendry probably thinks it is.
by Allie on May 8, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess
this falls under risk vs reward
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"
by wild bill on May 8, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Think of it this way
If $300k this year helps them sign (just for an example) Albert Pujols in 2 years for $1,000,000 less to play for the Cubs and Jim Hendry, is it worth it?
Ramirez, Lee and Zambrano all signed for less than they likely would have gotten on the open market to stay with the Cubs. I think there is a plan with all of this.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on May 8, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sort of
like the plan when they traded for Olsen and the Indians prospects to get Peavy:)
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"
by wild bill on May 8, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well . . .
I get what you are saying (and the humor that you said it with), but we don’t actually know that that was the plan. I tend to think that it’s likely, though.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on May 8, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dempster
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on May 8, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I had him in there, too, at first. I deleted it because the market collapsed shortly after the open market started — but you’re correct. Many people thought he gave the Cubs a discount when he signed.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on May 8, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
didn't it collapse
when he signed for less money? I thought that he was the gold standard last year, and so when he signed, everyone else went all-in, so to speak.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on May 8, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't recall
I thought it was a few weeks later.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on May 8, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe you are correct
Demp signed fairly early. The market collapsed shortly thereafter.
by dr stabbingworth on May 8, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guys I would prefer on the roster instead of Gathright
Put your answers here.
I’ll start: Chad Tracy, who might be a valuable pinch-hitter and get some life back in his bat if he’s not playing every day, and would come cheap from AZ.
Fontenot (fon-te-no): Cajun for "scrappy"
by zambranofan on May 8, 2009 8:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ryan Freel
At least he can play the infield
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on May 8, 2009 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except
that Freel is on the DL for a head injury after being hit in the head with a pickoff throw. A little reminiscent of Corey Koskie.
by rlpete on May 8, 2009 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forget it.
I don’t want Freel. Bobby Scales can do the same kind of job.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 8, 2009 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well a lot of people have been complaining about a lack of fire
and Freel plays, excuse the expression, balls out all the time, hes the new Dykstra
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on May 8, 2009 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He also bitched about his playing time in Baltimore...
…he’s not going to get much more here.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on May 8, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
winner vs loser
he might be more willing to be a role player on a good team rather than a role player on a bad team
Oriole by nurture. Cub by marriage.
by wax eagle on May 8, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not so sure....
“I’m bouncing off the walls. I have blisters on my hands from hitting every inning. It’s hard, but we’re winning. That’s the beauty of it right now. It’s about the Baltimore Orioles and not Ryan Freel. But of course you think about your situation, too, and where you stand and where you’ll stand after this year.
I read that as he wants to say the right thing, but not quite a “I’ll do whatever it takes” kind of comment.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on May 8, 2009 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My list
Kenny Lofton
Bob Dernier
Dom Dallessandro
Hack Wilson
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on May 8, 2009 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Frank "Wildfire" Schulte?
"Aramis Ramirez, with the guys I've ever played with in my career, is as clutch a hitter as I've seen. He smells it." -Ryan Dempster
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on May 8, 2009 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on May 8, 2009 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dernier
He might have lost a step in the last 20 years. At 52, he still might be faster than some DH’s around now. Dernier was a “power hitter” compared to what Gathright is now.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
by memphiscub on May 8, 2009 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Juan Pierre is a power hitter compared to Gathright
I can’t believe that some people actually mentioned Gathright as a leadoff option in Spring Training.
by rlpete on May 8, 2009 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess my scorecard is safe.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 8, 2009 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was that ever in doubt?
The only thing more shocking than Cable leading off with a HR… would be Zambrano deciding he wants to pitch left-handed to be more like Ted.
by Allie on May 8, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But could you blame the guy?
Who doesn’t strive to be more Ted-like?
remember
Sammy Jankis
by neverAcquiesce on May 8, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you ever specify
that Gathright’s lead off home run must come in the major leagues? Also, that it must come as a member of the Cubs’ organization?
You may want to keep that scorecard handy :P
"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg
by gwood on May 8, 2009 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
think Ty Cobb
would take a role in the pen?
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on May 8, 2009 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We could also offer it to Babe Ruth
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 8, 2009 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he'll take his payment
in hotdogs and beers.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on May 8, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And women.
remember
Sammy Jankis
by neverAcquiesce on May 8, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gathright is waived
as reported this morning. If he accepts the trip to the minors and passes through waivers. He might be an awesome guy. He just had no place on this roster and was not necessary. Scales, for now, makes much more sense.
I don’t think fox will be long for the big cubs either. Good speed on the fast ball last night, no control. At 38, he’s another goner.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on May 8, 2009 8:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Where did you hear this report?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 8, 2009 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sun Times
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on May 8, 2009 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had not seen the S-T yet today.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 8, 2009 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HOT DIGGITY DOG!
Let’s see how Bobby Scales can do!
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on May 8, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is good news.
Hope Bobby makes the most of this.
by sue369 on May 8, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
THANK GOD!
That guy sucks. And to think, we could have just used Pie in that roll instead for a lot less money, and some potential upside.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
by SackMan on May 8, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was watching CSN this morning
and they broadcast that “Monsters in the Morning” show. Steve Stone was on talking about Pie, and how he needs to stop trying to be a power hitter, and how Eric Patterson came up through the minors without anyone showing him how to bunt.
Not shocking by any means, but if we could have helped Pie get through his swinging issues…
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on May 8, 2009 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs don't show anyone how to bunt at the major league level either.
Have you watched our team try to sacrifice this year? It’s a joke.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
by SackMan on May 8, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zambrano
seems to be able to bunt fine. :P
A team this powerful shouldn’t be bunting all that much, IMO.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on May 8, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shouldn't have to bunt? Come on dude.
What are you talking about? It’s fundamental baseball. And it’s why the Cardinals are in 1st place.
Our pitchers fail way more than they succeed. And, I have to witness any position player on our team successfully sacrifice, while I’ve been watching a game.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
by SackMan on May 8, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"yet to witness"
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
by SackMan on May 8, 2009 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The cubs have 5,
3 by pitchers, and one by Aaron Miles, the other one by Theriot
Oriole by nurture. Cub by marriage.
by wax eagle on May 8, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where do you find that stat?
How many do the Cards have? The Dodgers?
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on May 8, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baseball Reference
The cards have 18, the dodgers have 7.
Oriole by nurture. Cub by marriage.
by wax eagle on May 8, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep... just found it.
13 of the 18 are from the pitching staff. So, the Cards position players have as many SHs as our entire roster. Pathetic.
Last year they had 71, and we had 65. I don’t know why we can’t do it in the early going this year.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
by SackMan on May 8, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it that we cannot
or that we have not needed to? How many failed attempts do we have?
Oriole by nurture. Cub by marriage.
by wax eagle on May 8, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish I could find that #
I’ve seen Harden succeed and fail.
I’ve seen Marshall fail (he’s horrible at it)
I’ve seen Dempster succeed and fail (and when, he succeeded, it was hardly textbook as he got tagged out while in the batters box by Molina)
I’ve seen Lily fail.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on May 8, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ted Lilly doesn't fail
He just choses to succeed less often so as not to intimidate his teammates.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on May 8, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
If it weren't for the gutter, my mind would be homeless.
by Cubsfanatic on May 8, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was a brilliant play by Molina
but you take the opportunities when you can. Keep in mind that more than a few times, we’ve had to pull our starting pitchers early, which means that Lou has either burned through pinch hitters, or had relief pitchers bunt — and they have even FEWER chances at the plate.
If the situation doesn’t call for it, don’t do it. I don’t think we can draw any conclusions over having five bunts in 25-ish games, vs another team having more.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on May 8, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They had 6 more SH than we did
and we led the NL in runs.
Getting down a bunt is important… but scoring runs matters more, doesn’t it?
by Allie on May 8, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You put yourself in a good opportunity to score runs
by sacrificing guys over to 2nd base… especially at the pitcher spot. And, you take yourself out of the DP.
I don’t know how you could downplay the significance of this.
And, in the late innings, or extra innings… it’s crucial to execute this.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on May 8, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not thrilled with our execution either
but I don’t think its as dire as you’re making it out to be.
When you have lots of guys on base, you leave lots on base. It happens.
I think we’re getting better and winning anyway. Marmol & Heilman looked really fantastic last night. Gregg allowed that run to score, but got out of trouble quickly. Theriot made a TOOTBLAN, but still scored 2 runs.
The team hasn’t peaked and still managed to win 6 of their last 7. I’ll take that.
by Allie on May 8, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Until our execution gets better
We’re not going to be a good enough team to win against the best competition.
It’s all the little things that add up.
Heck, Pujols stole 2nd off us in the late innings to get in position to score the winning run. If we had done a better job of holding the runner, maybe we could prevent that. Again, the little things…. and the Cards are good at that, and we’re not.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
by SackMan on May 8, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And execution improves
when you get a chance to work on it.
Serioulsy, Sack. We’re winning games and getting better. Why so mad?
by Allie on May 8, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
I am not reading he is mad or anything. I think he brings up very valid points. Yes we are winning games. But the past few teams we have played we should be winning them.
I agree with sack that when you play better teams you need to do the little things correctly, or you will not succeed.
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"
by wild bill on May 8, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with that
But I see improvement being made and cause for hope going forward.
And you get better execution when you get a chance to work on it. Bunting is probably hard to work on outside of game situations (ever see an AL pitcher try during interleague play?)….
by Allie on May 8, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I'm not seeing the improvement,
1. We’re getting picked off at every base…
2. We’ve made the 1st or 3rd out at third base on a handful of occasions.
3. We still can’t lay down a sacrifice bunt
4. We’re giving up uncontested stolen bases.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on May 8, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hyperbole much?
Sack, you’re better than this!
Yes. We’ve played sloppy and bad baseball. Does that mean we will ONLY play craptastic baseball all season?
by Allie on May 8, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No it doesn't
But, when I haven’t seen any signs of improvement yet… it’s alarming.
Are they practicing bunts?
Are they studying pitchers and catchers tendencies to avoid pickoffs?
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on May 8, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea
i’ll ask trammel next time i see him
by Allie on May 8, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because we're not improving.
We’re still playing the same crappy baseball we played last month.
I can tolerate fielding blunders, because that’s more of a talent issue with guys like Hoff and Soriano in the OF, or Fontenot getting some tiem at 3rd.
But, not being able to execute the fundamentals of the game is maddening.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on May 8, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and we're currently
50-50 with the Cards, who are arguably the best team in baseball.
What’s your point?
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by drewishdrewid on May 8, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
50-50 isnt good
it’s 50-50…you can’t go to playoffs being .500
by Cubs and Hawks fan on May 8, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're misreading
we’re not 50-50. We’re 50-50 against the Cardinals, not playing our best lineup.
When we go play them again, we’ll have had Soto, Bradley, Rami and (hopefully) DLee back in the lineup for a while, and they’ll be (hopefully) getting hot.
We held the best team in baseball to a tie with our bench. Why don’t you recognize that’s a good thing?
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by drewishdrewid on May 8, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we have done
exactly what we are supposed to against them. We won the series at home and got a game in the series on the road. we also were not at full strength for most of those games. Lets see what happens when we are at full strength against them.
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by wax eagle on May 8, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
geeze o PETE.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on May 8, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quit picking
on Pete, for Pete’s sake.
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by wild bill on May 8, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you put yourself in better position to score runs
by moving the runners over with hits.
The only statistic that matters, in the end, is wins. We have more wins that losses, and we’ve only had our complete starting lineup play five or six times. I think we’re doing fine.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on May 8, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better fundamentals gives a better chance at winning
Just because the Cubs are winning doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be working on improving.
by dr stabbingworth on May 8, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
of course
I don’t think I said that this was not the case. That having been said, I still think it’s better to move runners with hits than with automatic outs.
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by drewishdrewid on May 8, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
uhh, well yeah of course it's better with hits
but in baseball, you fail getting a hit more times than not. Giving yourself up to move a baserunner over gives your team statistically a better chance of getting the runner over.
by Cubs and Hawks fan on May 8, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Outs are really valuable
so it’s not always clear whether bunting a guy over to 2nd base is a positive from a Runs Expected, statistical point of view.
That said, yes, I agree – anecdotally the 2009 Cubs are pretty bad at laying down bunts.
by false cognate on May 8, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs are DEAD LAST in the NL
I’d say that’s a noteworthy problem
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on May 8, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They are also 16-12
good for the 3rd best record in the league.
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by wax eagle on May 8, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
doesn't seem to be hurting the Dodgers any
and they only have 7. On the other hand, we’ve been HPB 12 times, and that puts us fourth in the league. Free baserunners, they’re like candy.
Yes, bunts can be useful, and yes, we should be better at them. But I’d say a bigger problem for us is our .251 batting average, and our 208 strikeouts.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on May 8, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't seen many Dodger games...
And since the stats don’t list attempts, I don’t know how well the Dodgers are executing.
But, I do know that the Cubs are failing to execute the sacrifice bunt time and time again. That’s the problem.
Fortunately, we’re getting bailed out by the long ball.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on May 8, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
another thing I think is more important to worry about
our pen is tied for the lead with 15 walks in 21 innings.
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by drewishdrewid on May 8, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes... that is awful
And I bet we’re #1 in walking the first batter faced out of the pen LOL
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on May 8, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bunt conversion rate
may be meaningful. But being last in number of bunts converted is neither good nor bad. Thats like saying stolen bases are good, while ignoring success rate.
Ball 4!
by californiachicagoan on May 8, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another interesting fact
over half of our Sac bunts have come at Busch…do we just play the cards tighter or does TLR bring out the manager in Lou?
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by wax eagle on May 8, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We've played a lot of tight games...
But, maybe TLR just rubs off on him.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on May 8, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to agree with this
No one on the Cardinals is afraid to bunt.
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by Shanghai Badger on May 8, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say "shouldn't have to bunt"
I said “shouldn’t be bunting all that much”.
There’s a difference.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on May 8, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow - this is national league baseball... you need to manufacture runs to win
all you need to do is look at the playoffs to see what depending on power can do for you
by Reed's Johnson on May 8, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we've manufactured plenty of runs
yesterday’s game, the day before, the day before that.
The only thing you need to win is to score more runs than the other guy. Doesn’t matter if that’s on a walk with bases loaded, home runs, or three doubles in a row, all things this team has done.
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by drewishdrewid on May 8, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, and
if this is the NL, and you need to manufacture runs, then that means that ALL PLAYERS are responsible for doing so.
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by drewishdrewid on May 8, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly – move guys over with sac bunts…
by Reed's Johnson on May 8, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
make runs
however you can make them.
You can’t move a guy over with a sac bunt unless he’s already on base.
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by drewishdrewid on May 8, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not this guy again...
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by dtpollitt on May 8, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not going to get sucked in
I promise.
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by drewishdrewid on May 8, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
league leader
We did have two of the top 10 in sacrifice hits last year.
by KyCubsFan on May 8, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was watching that too
Though, I do believe that Stone said Corey Patterson was the one who claimed he was never taught to bunt.
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by DamonBerryhillsMitt on May 8, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get them mixed up.
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by drewishdrewid on May 8, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eric and Corey...
or Stone and Harrelson?
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by ballhawk on May 8, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on May 8, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am so done with anything having to do with Felix Pie
We definitely could have developed more talent out of the guy, but it simply did not happen. Happy trails, Pie
by murphymj on May 8, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not here keep harping about him.
Just saying, from the basis of a financial decision, and a baseball decision: they wanted a 4th OF who bats from the left side, and can be used as a defensive replacement and pinch runner.
So, they paid more money for Gathright… who friggin sucks, instead of going with Pie
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Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on May 8, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It sounds like Gathright is
being sent down if accepts the assignmnet since he cleared waivers and Wells will be activated. I would not at be surprised to Fox is released due to the fact he is just not good enough to pitch in the Major Leagues anymore. Lou was not to happy after that 9th inning, looked like he was having some words with Soto. Stevens or Waddell would be good choices, my bet would be Stevens.
by cubdreamer on May 8, 2009 8:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Excellent news!
I think Bobby Scales can do the job of a versatile bench player who can play three IF positions, OF in a pinch, and hit well enough to be the 25th guy.
I agree re: Stevens. I suspect, as mentioned above, that they’ll find another “injury” to Fox so he can go to the DL and pile up enough service time to get to 10 years’ service.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 8, 2009 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al, how much time
on the DL or active service is needed for Fox to get credit for a year? I assume they would help him get his MLB pension.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on May 8, 2009 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At the beginning of the 2009 season...
… Fox had 9 years and 54 days of ML service time (expressed as “9.054” if you see it in a list). 172 days comprises a season, thus he needs 118 days of service time this year to get to 10 full years. That’s about four months; if he went on the DL now, he’d qualify by mid-September.
Credit to The Cub Reporter for the service time chart.
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by Al on May 8, 2009 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, I wondered how that works
if partial years count as entire years or what.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on May 8, 2009 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It goes by days of service.
Each day you spend on a ML roster counts as one day, adding up to 172 days, which is a full season.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 8, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What does 10 years of ML service get him / any player?
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by JB 23 on May 8, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better
pension when he retires.
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by wax eagle on May 8, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I assumed that much....but it sure seems to be a lot of work
…to get him from 9 years to 10, so I would guess there is a dramatic increase in some sort of vesting or benefits.
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by JB 23 on May 8, 2009 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe so.
When I worked for the Indianapolis Indians, they had a couple guys shooting to get to Pittsburgh for one last shot at increasing their pension – among them was former Cub Terry Adams.
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by Trey2317 on May 8, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did see Lou
waving his hands around when he was talking to Soto leaving the field. Wish the camera would have stayed on them a bit longer.
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by tony412 on May 8, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Camera work
Has been pretty lousy for a few years now.
For example, any time Jacque Jones had a throw to the infield, the camera would cut away and not show the throw. They frequently cut out all of the side stuff that is interesting, especially if it is a sore spot with the fans.
Besides that, the production is getting pretty bad as well. Missing the beginning of an inning, having the wrong ball/strike count, updating the ball/strike count really slow, refusing to show replays on any play that gives the other team a bad break, etc.
by dr stabbingworth on May 8, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well you can blame the "missing beginning of an inning" on the increased # of commercials.
So it’s more of a need for increased revenue than a production quality issue. It’s been that way on the radio for several years as well. They often miss 1-2 pitches before coming back on the air.
I’ll defer to other tv production folks to agree/disagree with the other points.
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by ballhawk on May 8, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't disagree with anything that's been said above.
Production values have gone way down since Arne Harris’ passing.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 8, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With all due respect to Arne
They’d gone down before he passed.
The issues that I mentioned below, plus that horrible field-level, behind the plate camera all started on his watch.
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by Shanghai Badger on May 8, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's also happening
on the radio — especially missing the opening pitches of the inning.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on May 8, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It also seems like they're sponsoring more things during the game,
like the 15th out of the game.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on May 8, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever keeps it "free" is fine by me
because I foresee baseball going “premium” on local radio very soon.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on May 8, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how would they do that?
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on May 8, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
XM
and sell them exclusivity rights.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on May 8, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think there'd be a big
outcry about that.
"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella
by drewishdrewid on May 8, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree 100 percent with you
but in the age of incessant search for the very last penny, I wouldn’t put it past MLB to do it.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on May 8, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
XM is not exactly flourishing.
They were rumored to be going bankrupt a few months ago.
I think it’s more likely MLB will continue to find new revenue sources, like the MLB at Bat app for iPhones and iPods.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on May 8, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how?
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by MandMexpress12 on May 8, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really like Pat, but my biggest complaint about him is
Too often, he doesn’t mention the score at the start of a half-inning.
He could fake missing one pitch and most of us wouldn’t realize it, unless we were listening at the game.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on May 8, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's my complaint about most radio play by play people.
I remember an interview Pat Hughes gave and he said the score couldn’t be given to many times. I couldn’t agree more. Most of the time when you’re listening on the radio, you’re doing other things and are distracted.
I really admire Pat’s ability to do play by play while having a conversation with Ronnie without missing a beat. I’m not sure that skill is appreciated enough.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on May 8, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your last point is very valid
Not only does Pat deserve the Ford Frick Award for that alone, it’s borderline cannonization justification . . . .
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by Shanghai Badger on May 8, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Similar thoughts on Stone as well.
Stone has said and done much to annoy me in recent years, but I still remember fondly and with much respect his time with Harry in the booth. Could not have been easy trying to do PBP with Harry in da house…
…though it sure looked like fun. ;-)
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by ballhawk on May 8, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure it had to grate on him to always be deferential
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by Shanghai Badger on May 8, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Camera work...
They zoom in so close on the fielder that when a ball does drop, you have no idea where it is.
Also don’t see the need to isolate on the ball on a throw to first, or to show every runner crossing the plate when the play is developing somewhere else.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on May 8, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
people should proofread their posts
it could help them catch errors and get them corrected….it makes it alot easier for the reader to understand
by Cubs and Hawks fan on May 8, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think Lee should come back tonight?
He’s only 4 for 27 against Dave Bush.
by Allie on May 8, 2009 8:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well...
… Micah Hoffpauir is 0-for-3 lifetime vs. Bush. So it’s Lou’s call.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on May 8, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
I was just wondering if Lee’s neck thing is one of those “some days its fine other it sucks” or “time off would help” things.
Probably just depends on what Lee feels like after the plane ride.
by Allie on May 8, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lou was quoted as saying...
Lee wasn’t going on the DL and would play this weekend, but it also depended on how he felt after the plane ride. So, you’re right.
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by carmen_fanzone on May 8, 2009 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last night during the game
they said the plane ride didn’t bother that much. If it were me, I would think sleeping in different beds would do it. He just needs some time off, and a neck rub!
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on May 8, 2009 8:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't we all?
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by Clutch16 on May 8, 2009 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate missing all the comcast games
You miss all that kind of stuff.
Thanks for the update.
by Allie on May 8, 2009 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i've tried
but my reception has been awful.
i keep getting some spanish radio station with a bored female voice talking about state farm insurance in missouri.
by Allie on May 8, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MLB.com has all the WGN games
for $15 for the season. Beats listening about state farm.
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by mrtobby on May 8, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
but at this point, 15 bucks is money i don’t have.
so its gameday/gamethread and hope i don’t miss anything i’ll wish i hadn’t
by Allie on May 8, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you've got an iPhone...
… you can get the MLB at Bat 2009 app for $10, and get that same audio included. No commercials, too. Just plug the headphone jack in to some external speakers and… instant radio.
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by AndrewJStone on May 8, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
changes
the fact that fox even got a contract shows how sof hearted hendry must be.why continually waste time with this guy??lets hope lou sends him packing as fast as he did samardzja. looks like gathrights cub career came to a quick end too.no room at the inn joey.sorry.
by NOMAR on May 8, 2009 8:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure
Chad Fox and Shark are really comparable; the Shark was sent back down to stretch out more and work on his pitches. There’s simply nothing Chad Fox can do at this point. DL him, get him his 10 year pension, and then release him.
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by drewishdrewid on May 8, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing
with the Shark that bothers me is this. They start him off in AAA to become a starter. Thye bring him back and put him in the pen. For what a couple weeks? Now he is back to become a starter again. Did he burn up an option with this move?
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by wild bill on May 8, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Options are by
year not by number. (i think)
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by wax eagle on May 8, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, option is a misleading term.
wax eagle is correct
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on May 8, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
as Wax Eagle and my alternate persona #1 say
options are by year, not by move. It wasn’t the best idea to bring Shark up, but perhaps Lou was casting a fond eye back to last year, when the lad came up and got us out of some jams. This year, his fastball isn’t enough. It’s a setback for him, but if we leave him down there for four months, he could get a sept callup and be valuable.
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by drewishdrewid on May 8, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this
Shark was great last year at the end of the year. But I think they have really screwed with him this year. If they wanted Fox up they should have brought him up instead of Shark. I hope they give Fox one more shot then we see Wadell or Stevens.
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by wax eagle on May 8, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
and that is the thought I attempted to write. I don’t understand that move at all. Show a comittment and keep him in AAA as a starter for the balance of the year, period. When the IA team season is over, call him up in Sept.
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by wild bill on May 8, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
or he could have been the spot guy today.
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by wax eagle on May 8, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which he could
have been if they did not make that move. Honestly I would have preferred watching him over Wells tonight. WIn or lose, I think our chances would have been better to win with Shark. Having said that, Wells will throw a shutout!
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by wild bill on May 8, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't know
much about Wells. I feel like Jeff is a pretty known quantity at this point. If he is good he will get guys out and is electric. when he is off he does not have much control and walks guys.
I hope that Wells enjoys his cup of coffee for now and can be a contributor as the season moves forward.
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by wax eagle on May 8, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You
know what I like about this and dream of. Let us say Wells comes up and does such a good to outstanding job and for that reason they can not send him down. That would be really cool.
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by wild bill on May 8, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be awesome.
I think even if he does a really excellent job he will end up back in Iowa for most of the rest of the season. The rotation is set for now, but he would allow some great flexibility in Sept and then next year (especially if Jeff is deemed ready).
There would be little pressure to resign Harden next year if Marshall has a good year (looking like #3 or 4) and Wells and Samardj are both looking good at the end of this year. (Id still love to resign Rich, but there would be less pressure to do so).
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by wax eagle on May 8, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you can
have a few young studs from the system pan out at the ML level, think of the possible trades that could be made. Everyone needs decent starting pitching. If your team has ample, you are in the cats bird seat (not sure what the heck that means)
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by wild bill on May 8, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too true
Texas and Washington both need pitching and have plenty of young position talent. Would be nice to trade for some of that
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by wax eagle on May 8, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the words
of Sam Kinneson, I like the way you think.
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"
by wild bill on May 8, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"I'm gonna be watching you..."
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on May 8, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe rushing him didn't give him time to work on his off-speed pitches
Although I think we all would like to see him help out the club, he may need a full season at AAA to be an effective starter. He moved up so fast, and it may be catching up to him.
by dr stabbingworth on May 8, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on both counts
Gathright and Fox have no business on this team. I wish them well and hope they move on.
by salparadise23 on May 8, 2009 9:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Fox
I am going to go against the sentiment here and just remind that it was one game. The guy has battled to get back to the major leagues so its not out of the equation that he was a little emotional… it was his first time back this year and 4th appearance since 2005. I am not saying that Fox is going to be good or that he would have even been my choice to be called up but he was having success at AAA and it was just one outing. I was not thrilled last night that he forced Lou to bring in Kevin Gregg, but now that he’s here I think we need to give him another game or two before we declare his career over.
by dmlichte on May 8, 2009 9:02 AM CDT reply actions 4 recs
He did have really good velocity
Maybe it was just 1 game jitters or something.
by Allie on May 8, 2009 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
94mph
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by drewishdrewid on May 8, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
thats what daver said…. er tweeted.
by Allie on May 8, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
like Ortiz - Fox
may not belong on a major league roster – however with 360 pitching spots to fill there are probably 40-50 ‘minor leaguers’ now pitching in the majors – rare is the team where everyone is happy with the full staff these days
by doofus cubs guy on May 8, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, thanks for the tweet shout-out.
Yeah, I agree with dmlichte – Fox’s velocity was good. He obviously had control problems, but if Gathright makes that catch, Chad very well may have finished the inning and perhaps a few more of us would be saying, “Fox showed some promise,” rather than “Send the bum off to Shady Oaks Retirement Home!”
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by dat cubfan daver on May 8, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mister, mister
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by wild bill on May 8, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Broken wings"?
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by dat cubfan daver on May 8, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Happy Gilmore
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"
by wild bill on May 8, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. I also
thought I read he stunk at first, but settled down.
I expect he will get one more chance in a non-clutch situation before any final decision is rendered.
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by N Oakley on May 8, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad we won...
but, we keep playing like garbage. It’s disgusting, and we’re not improving at all, despite the W-L record.
Last night, Theriot gets friggin picked off at 3rd base… that costs us a run = bad fundamental baseball.
Ted Lilly can’t lay down a friggin sacrfice bunt to move over runners to 2nd and 3rd. The next at bat by Soriano results in an inning ending DP = more bad fundamental baseball.
Joey Gathright comes in as a friggin defensive replacement in the 9th, and allows two triples = crappy baseball player who has no value to this team in the field or at the plate.
We better start to improve, because we don’t get to play Houston every week.
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by SackMan on May 8, 2009 9:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well... actually we kinda DO get to play HOU every week
at least for the next little while.
by Allie on May 8, 2009 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gath is gone.
We did win 8-5. I thought they played alright. Dome had some great catches, Hoff did alright at first.
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by drewishdrewid on May 8, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank god he's gone.
I didn’t read that news before my rant.
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by SackMan on May 8, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We were saying the same thing last year
When we were playing Pittsburgh every other week early in the season.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 8, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure would like to
play Pitt right now… seems everyone else is beating up on them pretty easily these days. Lost 3 to Mil at end of April, followed by losing 2 of 3 to Cincy, followed by losing the next 2 to Mil, then losing the next 2 to STL.
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by tony412 on May 8, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We play them about three weeks from now
Not soon enough, IMO. It’s right before our series against the LA Dodgers.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on May 8, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are about to get your wish, Al
Gordon W. reports:
To make room on the roster for pitcher Randy Wells to start tonight, the Cubs plan to send speedy outfielder Joey Gathright to the minors this afternoon — if he accepts the assignment — when the waiver period on him expires, sources confirmed Thursday.
by dfrancon on May 8, 2009 9:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good.
What took them so long?
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by Al on May 8, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tought to admit you made a mistake
That was a bad signing.
by dr stabbingworth on May 8, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This along with
the Bako signing had me shaking my head this past off season.
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by wild bill on May 8, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Miles signing put me into full body convulsions...
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by ballhawk on May 8, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bako made sense to me,
signing a veteran catcher to a non-guaranteed deal is what I consider an insurance sign.
Miles, on the other hand is a puzzle but I’ll reserve judgement untio the end of the season.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on May 8, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed...
Though I might have just paid a bit more for Blanco (after declining his more expensive option) rather than signing Bako. Miles was just a poor decision.
by SouthernCub on May 8, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they signed Joey in part,
because of the uncertainty with Fukudome. I don’t think they really knew what they’d get out of him this year.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on May 8, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How did Theriot get picked off of 3rd?
I didn’t see the game.
by kanderber on May 8, 2009 9:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Scrappily?
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by Shanghai Badger on May 8, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too far of a lead and Pudge nailed him
The call was very close – Theriot was not happy about it at all.
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by Clutch16 on May 8, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Theriot made a huge stink about it, and Quade had to get between him and the ump
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by SackMan on May 8, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was at the game
and they didn’t show a replay. Was it the right call? From my vantage point, the throw beat him handily, but I thought he got his hand on the bag before the tag was applied, as the throw was about waist high.
by false cognate on May 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was a very close call.
Theriot may have gotten his hand on the bag before the tag, but the throw beat him, so the ump went with that. It seems like Theriot gets called out on a lot of close baserunning plays. Part of me feels bad for him and another part of me thinks that he’s just not as fast as he thinks he is. He’s almost as fast as he thinks he is, but not quite.
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by dat cubfan daver on May 8, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alfonso Soriano
Since, Alfonso Soriano really gets raked over the coals when he’s underperforming, how about a tip of the cap while he’s playing so well? He’s hitting .276/.344/.569. Projecting his counting stats out over a whole season 146 Rs, 48 HRs, 92 RBIs, 21 SBs.
The one disappointing note – that patience we had seen before has ticked back down to career expectations; he’s only walked twice since he was moved back to the lead-off spot.
Derrek Lee is good.
by DGU on May 8, 2009 9:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
those would be some nice numbers.
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by drewishdrewid on May 8, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still..
…. .344 is a decent OBA to go with a .276 average. If he could keep the OBA around .350 all year, that’d be just fine for him leading off, with the other things he contributes.
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by Al on May 8, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't even be implying a possible complaint
if we hadn’t been tempted by the possibility of so much more the first two weeks of the season. Fwiw, Soriano’s OBP is below .300 since being moved back to the lead-off spot, with quite a bit of that coming from a .250ish AVG.
Derrek Lee is good.
by DGU on May 8, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said it during the 1st week of the season...
and I’ll say it again. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Soriano is the NL MVP this year.
by kanderber on May 8, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're looking good with that prediction
although Albert Pujols may lap the field if he keeps going all season long at this pace.
Derrek Lee is good.
by DGU on May 8, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pujols may win the triple crown.
It’ll be fun to watch and see if he can do it.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on May 8, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And if he wins the triple crown
it won’t matter if the Cardinals fade down the stretch and end up in 4th place, Pujols will get MVP.
Derrek Lee is good.
by DGU on May 8, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But MVP's are supposed to be only awarded to teams that make the playoffs...
Even though Pujols claimed that, he had no problem snagging the award last year.
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by Fishbone2 on May 8, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Riggggght.
Because it’s his fault he was given an award?
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by dtpollitt on May 8, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't you think that Pujols was somewhat hypocritical?
For saying himeself, “MVP’s should be on playoff teams”, then in fact take it when HE wasn’t on a playoff team.
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by Fishbone2 on May 8, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not like he went out and purchased an MVP award.
It’s not his fault that he was the best player on the planet and won awards for it. This is a stupid friggin’ argument. I know what he said, you can’t blame a guy for (1) being pissed that he’s winning individual awards and not team ones and (2) for being the best player in MLB.
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by dtpollitt on May 8, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't it be both?
I thought he deserved the MVP but I also thought it was hypocritical of him to say what he said in 2006 and then win the MVP last year.
I think Albert is a great player but he says dumb things sometimes and I have no problem calling him out when he does, just like any other player.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on May 8, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to know how this scenario would play out in a way that would please you:
“Thanks guys, gee wiz, but I can’t accept the most coveted award in our sport. I’d rather give it to Matt Kemp or Prince Fielder…at least they made the playoffs. Hell, even Jamie Moyer could take it.”
I’m sure we can find contradictory statements from every player. This is a problem with too much media—there doesn’t need to be this type of micro-analysis. You don’t turn down an MVP award. An ambassador for the game of baseball doesn’t do that. I took Albert’s statement to mean that he cares much more about his team’s success than his individual success, which to me is a mark of a stand-up teammate, not of someone that’s being hypocritical.
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by dtpollitt on May 8, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the lesson here is to be careful of what you say.
The gracious thing to say in 2006 would have been to congratulated Ryan Howard on his award and leave it at that. He chose to comment further and frankly, it sounded like sour grapes.
I just find it humorous that the same situation happened again 2 years later with the parties reversed.
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by cowsarecool220 on May 8, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the lesson is to not try and find nitpicky things to argue about
Pujols said he thought the MVP should be from a playoff team. So what? The voters didn’t agree with him and gave him the award last year. I don’t see anything wrong with what Pujols did.
by rlpete on May 8, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who's arguing?
We’ve had an interesting discussing.
I find it interesting to hear other people’s point of view on subjects such as this one.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on May 8, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not fair
to say he was being hypocritical when he made that statement in 2006. Obviously if he knew he would win it last year w/o making the playoffs, I doubt he would have said it.
I think he felt he deserved the award in ‘06 and used the team’s success to bolster his argument.
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by DMCub on May 8, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, how about we call it ungracious?
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by cowsarecool220 on May 8, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is at least fair
Look, I’m not a Pujols apologist. I was angered when in 2006 he said Glavine “was not good at all” after shutting the Cards down for 7 innings.
BTW, what is the point you are trying to make? I understand it is amusing that he won the award w/o making the playoffs, and that he scoffed at that idea a few years prior…..but where are you going with this?
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by DMCub on May 8, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe we've just been discussing MVP's and triple crowns.
However, I think the lesson here is to be careful what you say in the heat of the moment. Because of what Albert said 2 years earlier, he looked foolish last year. Athletes are some of the most competitive people in the world but it is important how you win and lose.
Albert made an ungracious statement in 2006 that make him look like a hypocrite in 2008 when the same situation happened with the parties were reversed.
Maybe that’s a better way of summarizing my thoughts.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on May 8, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what did he say last year when he won it?
If he came out and said MVPs should go to the best player regardless of if their team makes the playoffs or not, then yeah, I can see why you might think him to look foolish, and yes, even hypocritical.
But assuming he said the usual niceties in accepting the award last year, then I don’t think he looked foolish at all. Remember, he doesn’t control the voting – if the voters want to vote for him, they’re going to vote for him. It’s the voters’ philosophy on what MVP really means that matters here – not Albert’s or any other player’s.
And I don’t think you honestly believe he should have refused the award, do you?
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by ballhawk on May 8, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, he shouldn't refuse the award.
I don’t recall Albert saying much of anything, beyond the usual niceties.
Maybe he learned his lesson?
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on May 8, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He said that in 2006 when Ryan Howard won the award
and the Phillies didn’t make the playoffs.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on May 8, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where in the rules
is it that only players on playoff teams should win MVPs?
Some idiot sportswriters say that, but don’t forget, three of them voted for Edinson Volquez for ROY last season despite him not being a rookie.
Soriano is having a great season. Pujols is unquestionably having a better one.
by Josh77 on May 8, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Albert himself said that in 2006.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on May 8, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some Hawk guy won it on a poor team.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on May 8, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and for the record, Pujols AVERAGES an MVP season every year of his career:
.335/.426/.626, with an OPS+ of 171, 42 HR, and 129 RBI. Average.
In his career, his MVP voting:
2001 – 4th to Bonds, Sosa, and Gonzo, all who have cheated/accused
2002 – 2nd to Bonds, I hate Barry Bonds
2003 – 2nd to Bonds, I really hate Barry Bonds
2004 – 3rd to Bonds and Beltre, both of whom have cheated/accused
2005 – Won MVP
2006 – 2nd to Howard
2007 – 9th, which was his only down year – .327/.429/.568 with 32 HR and 103 RBI
2008 – Won MVP
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by dtpollitt on May 8, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
down year
that’s a down year? Wow.
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by drewishdrewid on May 8, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pujols is a beast
Always forget until you see how otherworldly his numbers are.
I wish he played in another division so I could really enjoy watching him.
by Allie on May 8, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think anyone is arguing that Albert doesn't deserve
to win the MVP virtually every year with the numbers he puts up, it’s just that he said something dumb in 2006 when Ryan Howard won the MVP.
It just seemed like sour grapes when he said it and then he went on to win the MVP in 2008 when the Cards didn’t make the playoffs.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on May 8, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I kind of think it depends on if there
are any stand-out players on playoff teams.
That’s assuming the Cardinals don’t make the playoffs.
I think the NL Central will product 2 playoff teams.
Personally, I think it would be fun to watch a Cubs/Cards NLCS.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on May 8, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd personally think it was fun
to win a playoff game. or 11.
by Allie on May 8, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, we'd both have to win 3 to face each other in the playoffs!
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on May 8, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh i agree
that’d be fun. i can’t even imagine how crazy central Illinois would be.
by Allie on May 8, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What Do We Owe Fox?
Chad Fox is not a “lifelong” Cub. He was given an opporfunity a few years ago and unfortunately blew out his arm. He wants to pitch — I fully understand that. But at some point in his life, he has to accept the fact that he can no longer deliver at the major league level.
Chad Fox owes the Cubs a great deal of thanks for allowing him to continue this long. But his time is up.
What I don’t want to see is a repeat of a game — I think it was last year — where Lou put him in and the game was much closer. Fox wound up losing that game.
Watching the game on EI last night, gave me some thought about a possible destination for Fox if he really wants to continue his career. He is from the Houston area according to the lousy Houston TV guys. Considering how bad the Astros pitching corps is, maybe they would take him. Obviously, nothing in return. But it would guarantee that he would not show up in a Cubs’ uniform again.
by ceegeewow on May 8, 2009 9:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you're missing the big picture
It’s not so much a favor to Fox as it is goodwill in general — see some of the comments above.
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by Shanghai Badger on May 8, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They can give him the goodwill on the major league DL.
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by Al on May 8, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here is a question
would his salary be covered by insurance on the DL?
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by wax eagle on May 8, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, teams only attempt to insure
long-term, big money contracts. And even then, they have trouble due to the cost.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on May 8, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, insurance companies aren't in the business of just handing out free money...
Insurance is expensive to purchase, especially for MLB contracts. And insurance companies are really good at assessing risk in their favor. I can’t imagine that the Cubs would have paid money to purchase insurance for Fox, given how (relatively) little he makes and how likely he is to get hurt (meaning insurance would be more expensive in his case).
by SouthernCub on May 8, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The kind of goodwill from an organization...
goodwill that can combat some of the ugliness we hear brought up around the league regarding what it’s like to play here.
When some players complain to Torii Hunter about how rough the fans can be here, it’s nice to be able to say that we will make sure that you are taken care of in other ways.
by JCD on May 8, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We should get something back in a trade
Maybe a box of balls and a palette of fertilizer?
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