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Is it time to start worrying about Geo?

I apologize if this topic has been discussed at length in another place on this site, but I haven't seen many people talking about Geovany Soto lately. 

Last night against the Astros, Geo left 7 men on base.  As of the time I am writing this fanpost, he is batting .162/.296/.191.  That's not a misprint.  That's a .191 slugging percentage, folks.  With zero home runs and only four RBI.

I know he missed some time with his shoulder injury, but he has played in 22 of the 28 games so far this season, and has 81 plate appearances already.  Some people on this site have asked for Koye Hill to get more playing time, and we have seen that.  But Geo is our starting catcher.  After last night's performance, I'm starting to worry a little bit.  It doesn't help that Geo is on my fantasy team as well :)

 

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Answer to your question: yes.

It appears to me as if Geo has put on weight from last year.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on May 8, 2009 8:58 AM CDT reply actions  

How do you fix this?

If he has gained weight, and is out of shape, how do you fix something like that mid-season. I know that baseball isn’t something like basketball where you can “play yourself into shape” (a.k.a. The Shaq).

The Baseball season is grueling enough. How do you get a guy some extra time in the gym mid season to shed pounds?

by steinmer on May 8, 2009 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not necessarily

gym time, but get on the proper diet.

Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.

by TCobb1911 on May 8, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Which is what he was doing last year with Kerry Wood.

Maybe Wood’s departure got Geo off the diet.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on May 8, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Time for him to get him some

Seattle Sutton’s Aculpoco Taco Pie!

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 8, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Or Blanco's departure?

He was a good mentor to him. Although that would probably have nothing to do with his weight problem. Maybe it has something to do with his funk.

by katie casey on May 8, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Guys lift prior to or after games

Soto is probably working with the Cubs’ strength & conditioning coordinator, getting on the treadmill and doing some extra cardio to drop weight. They’ll also monitor his diet carefully.

Most teams will have some kind of chart to monitor weight throughout the season to make sure players aren’t gaining or losing too much weight.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Bill Potter on May 8, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree on the weight thing...

As I understand it, Geovany battled weight problem in the past. It is disappointing to say the least if he can’t make sure his weight and physical conditioning are up to snuff.

I sure hope he wasn’t a one year wonder ala Rick Wilkins. Sigh.

The window for winning a World Series may have waned.

by BLou on May 8, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd say some mild worrying is appropriate...

because:

1) As Al said, he’s overweight and appears out of shape, and
2) He’s battling a shoulder injury

Ordinarily, I’d dismiss his slow start due to sample size but there are identifiable factors that appear to be holding Geo back. Soto is an incredible asset to the lineup, and the Cubs are not the same team without a productive Geo.

Free Ronny Cedeno

by Kansas25 on May 8, 2009 9:02 AM CDT reply actions  

I believe it is time

to start worrying. What was all the B.S. that we heard about Soto coming to camp in great shape. I’m positive I heard that somewhere.

The biggest reason he’s not even close to himself is the thing I believe Al worried about when they brought him up. He almost refuses, or plain out can’t hit to right field. He pulls off outside pitches as bad as anyone I’ve seen.

The biggest reason it worries me is because they really do need his bat. He’s really a dead out at this point. I say play Hill. He has done nothing but show he’ll put up better numbers than Geo at this point. I hope like hell Geo pulls out of it.

Does anyone know what his weight is compared to last year?

Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.

by TCobb1911 on May 8, 2009 9:06 AM CDT reply actions  

I heard the same thing about him reporting in great shape.

I wonder if nagging injuries are affecting his workout routine.

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 8, 2009 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

soto

never thought i,d say this but koyie hill needs more playing time.geo has been terrible maybe he needs some rest.how about starting hill twice a week.trouble is lou will stay with his regulars no matter what.

by NOMAR on May 8, 2009 9:07 AM CDT reply actions  

Koyie has given us .303/.395/.424 so far

with some fairly solid defense too. I don’t see any reason why Soto should be starting so many games until he get things figured out. I’m not proposing he be benched, but until Koyie’s numbers fall (or Soto’s come back), what’s the harm in 2-3 starts a week?/

by madcow256 on May 8, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lou will stay with his regulars no matter what...

I strongly disagree. First off even if Geo was raking Koyie hill would get about a start a week at least because of the physical beating you take as a catcher. Also as a catcher you get battered and bruised more than any other player. That is why it is very hard for a catcher to sustain a great offensive career. Another point I would like to bring up is the WBC. He is behind everyone hitting wise from playing in the WBC, also the weight issue could be related/caused by the WBC. Playing for Puerto Rico Geo DHed because Pudge is an icon in Puerto Rico and was also playing for a major league job. I believe his lack of time behind the dish in spring training combined with his injury has contributed to the weight gain some. Also remember all those WBC off days and a lot of games vs pitching that isnt major league quality. Lou has even said it himself that geo is behind offensively and defensively and is practically in spring training.

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by MandMexpress12 on May 8, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Man sorry for the grammer mistakes...

I did not proof read and was in a hurry. I am embarrassed about that….is there no edit function ?

"Cubs Win, Cubs Win, CUBS WIN!"

Steve McMichael: "I'm going to have to have a talk with that umpire down there." Angel Hernadez than ejected McMichael. 08/07/2001

by MandMexpress12 on May 8, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

not for comments.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 8, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

you can edit a signature though. :P

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on May 8, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

What dont u like about the signature?

The quotes are exactly what McMichael’s said. Remember him being drunk, and by his quote not making sense you could tell he was drunk.

"Cubs Win, Cubs Win, CUBS WIN!"

Steve McMichael: "I'm going to have to have a talk with that umpire down there." Angel Hernadez than ejected McMichael. 08/07/2001

by MandMexpress12 on May 8, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

just teasing a little on the

typo in your signature after you commented on wanting to edit the post with no recourse.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on May 8, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lol.

But its actually not a typo its a direct quote. I thought it was funny because he said that, it just showed how intoxicated and rowdy mcmichale was before he got ejected. You must not remember the incident?

"Cubs Win, Cubs Win, CUBS WIN!"

Steve McMichael: "I'm going to have to have a talk with that umpire down there." Angel Hernadez than ejected McMichael. 08/07/2001

by MandMexpress12 on May 8, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

i am guessing he is referring to....

than=then

"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"

by HIGGY on May 8, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

In response to both, I do remember the incident

and am referring to than vs. then.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on May 8, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought he said he was going to "have some speaks"

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by Shanghai Badger on May 8, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

That is correct!

"I'll never forget how I felt last October." ~Kosuke Fukudome

by Goodie1969 on May 8, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm worried as well

but I like that Lou is giving Geo the chance to work his way through it. He’s such a great leader of this pitching staff, he calles a good game behind the plate, and he’s good defensively. He has gone through slumps before, and I think that as a whole what he’s giving us right now is helping the team more than hurting it.

"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly

by ambrosiadreams on May 8, 2009 9:35 AM CDT reply actions  

Absolutely.

Last year on May 8th, Geo had 6 HR’s and 24 RBI’s with a line of .345/.447/.645/1.092.

I, too, would like to see Koyie Hill get more playing time as long as Geo keeps failing.

by kanderber on May 8, 2009 10:11 AM CDT reply actions  

There's no getting around his anemic numbers thus far.

So, yeah, worry away. He’s still the team’s starting catcher, so we’ll probably be getting plenty of opportunties to see him either continue to struggle or stage some sort of comeback. I certainly wouldn’t mind seeing Koyie Hill sprinkled a little more liberally into the Cubs starting lineups.

As a parting point of some optimism, however, I’d note that Geo has had less than 100 PAs and only 68 ABs, so he’s still got a long, long way to go.

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by daver on May 8, 2009 10:14 AM CDT reply actions  

Sadly...

Koye Hill getting more playing time doesn’t help my fantasy team :(

by steinmer on May 8, 2009 10:14 AM CDT reply actions  

Unless you pick him up!

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on May 8, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just don't try and pick up Geo

You’ll probably throw your back out with all the extra weight!

by lswaidz on May 8, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

maybe now

we know what happened do Derrek Lee.

by CubFan81 on May 8, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

In addition to the weight, the other thing to at least consider is performance enhancing drugs

I’m not indicting Geovany Soto. But in this sordid era of baseball the suspicion is legitimate to consider. Soto didn’t become a viable major league prospect until 2007 when he all of a sudden got into good physical condition and dominated at Triple A. Maybe in this era of enhanced testing Soto has been tripped up and has reverted back to his old physical condition????

It bears debate. The dropoff in his performance is alarming, as is the fattiness he has gained.

The window for winning a World Series may have waned.

by BLou on May 8, 2009 10:23 AM CDT reply actions  

That's what I'm most worried about

There have been whispers about Soto suddenly turning into an offensive machine after an undistinguished minor league career (up until a couple of years ago).

by bluekoolaide on May 8, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure it bears debate...

…given there’s little to no even circumstantial evidence beyond a sharp uptick in his offensive production. And it’s not like enhanced testing just started this season.

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by daver on May 8, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well...

Sounds like Manny and his chemistry team were able to fool the drug testers for quite a while. Maybe Soto latched on to a pharmaceutical formula that transformed him, but under increasingly rigorous testing had to abandon the juice for fear of being caught. It is definitely a plausible scenario to put on the table given his rapid rise from obscurity combined with phyisical transformation in 2007. Right now Soto looks flabby and fat.

The window for winning a World Series may have waned.

by BLou on May 8, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

I can't help but think...

…this brings us right back to the Fukudome debate. During spring training and very early in the season, Kosuke looked like he hadn’t changed his approach at the plate because he wasn’t having much success. Then he had success and many people were finally convinced that he had changed his approach, though they still presumably couldn’t detect any changes with their naked eyes.

Does Soto look heavier because he is heavier or because he’s not having any success at the plate? Would he suddenly look thinner if he had a two-homer night like Soriano did yesterday? Again, I just don’t trust my eyes when it comes to these things. I’d be more apt to believe his shoulder problem is slowing down his swing. Or maybe he’s just been unlucky.

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by daver on May 8, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Does he look as much like Benji Molina

as Kosuke looked like So Taguchi?

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 8, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm really not sure.

You can see a bunch of sideview shots of Soto last night here. His body shape doesn’t look all that different to me. Maybe it is. I dunno…again, I just don’t trust my eyes when it comes to these things.

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by daver on May 8, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

there is no reason

to consider this. None. You think he wasn’t tested last year, or the year he went nuts in PCL?

Bah. This is ridiculous. We’ve been pushed into gleefully suspecting EVERYONE in MLB of breaking the rules, and I simply refuse to believe that this is the case.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 8, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Manny was tested last year too

With testing becoming more enhanced it may be a case where guys like Manny and Soto were going to get tripped up. Soto might have been smart enough to abandon juicing while Manny continued to roll the dice.

The window for winning a World Series may have waned.

by BLou on May 8, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Or

Manny didn’t use last year and only got caught this year. Is that not possible?

Before you go any farther, defend the consistency of believing the testing when it says “guilty” but disbelieving it when it says “innocent.”

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 8, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Screw the hypocrisy

Yesterday I read a million posts labeling any player who has ever played for a Tony LaRussa team to be under a cloud of suspicion. And out of the other side of your mouth there are some of you naive enough to claim it heresay that Soto should fall under a cloud of suspicion.

Please. You can’t have it both ways. The physical back and forth transformation of Soto combined with the rise and fall back again of his game makes the debate open. Especially in this sordid era of performance enhancing drugs plaguing baseball.

The window for winning a World Series may have waned.

by BLou on May 8, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Do you mean "you" plural or singular?

Because I’ll agree that the you-plural of BCB can’t have it both ways. We can’t pick on individual managers we don’t like and ignore our own players and coaches.

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 8, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry but I can't give the Cubs a free pass

just because they’re my team.

I know that he’s become very unpopular in these parts but Steve Stone has been making veiled references to Soto’s suspicious sudden power burst for awhile now.

The fact that he’s suddenly fallen off the face of the earth offensively is reason to have at least a seed of doubt.

by bluekoolaide on May 8, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

He had cold streaks last season, too.

And, as mentioned above, he has less than 100 PAs. I guess the speculation is inevitable, but I still think it’s virtually baseless and premature.

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by daver on May 8, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

very common for

a sophomore to have a slump. I’m not feeling any need to suspect anything.

Oriole by nurture. Cub by marriage.

by wax eagle on May 8, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Indeed

Shouldn’t we, if we’re playing this game of suspicion, be more concerned about the players who aren’t slumping?

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 8, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

yes and no

since steroids also help keep injurioes heathy. so if the slump is from a player who was healthy and is now injured it makes sense to speculate (if specuilation is what you are wanting).

Soto had injuries in the minors, then was healthy pretty much all last season, now is injured again this season, that would be more of a reason to speculate than the offensive production slumping.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 8, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

steve stone

is a… well, Al doesn’t like us to call names. I’m not going to take ANYTHING Steve Stone has to say without a boulder of salt.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 8, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Steve Stone

was the most professional, knowledgeable, honest and straight forward color man the cubs have had in my lifetime. IMHO the best color guy we have had in my lifetime. Him and Harray were must see TV, and Him and Chip were probably the best duo in the biz

"Cubs Win, Cubs Win, CUBS WIN!"

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by MandMexpress12 on May 8, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 8, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, and many agree with you.

However, he then had his public divorce from the Cubs and has been a run of the mill sports talk call baiter looking for ratings and I assume that persona allowed him to obtain his current job.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on May 8, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol

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by MandMexpress12 on May 8, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Suspicion of performance enhancing drugs is proper

I’m not saying Geovany Soto is guilty of anything. But I’m also not going to turn a blind eye to some compeling points of evidence. So I guess this is my way of saying that I’m not sure Soto is going to regain what he was in 2008. Also, that I won’t fall on the floor in shock to learn of him someday being handed one of those infamous 50 game suspensions.

by BLou on May 8, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think I'd use the word "inevitable" or perhaps "understandable"...

…instead of “proper.” But, again, I still see this topic as being almost impossible debate given the only evidence is a young player who had an outstanding rookie year and, in less than 100 PAs thus far, is struggling.

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by daver on May 8, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

to me

his (basically) injury free 2008 vs injuries pre 2008 and now in 2009 are the ONLY reason I would consider speculating.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 8, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

"proper"

You keep using that word. I don’t think it means what you think it does.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 8, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree that you don't give the Cubs a pass.

I’m making a distinction here between corporate guilt and individual guilt.

Soto and all the Cubs, including Ryne Sandberg, bear the corporate guilt of not cleaning up the game.

But to go farther than that in reference to particular individuals, while ignoring other individuals, is what I don’t like to see.

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 8, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

I can make as strong/weak case you are making about ANY of the Cubs.

You suggest that Soto’s no good now because he’s stopped; well, then, I can suggest that ______ is still good because he hasn’t stopped; and ______, who had a two week slump, must have been in that down cycle where he was trying to avoid detection because he knew he was going to be tested, and _______ couldn’t be playing so well at his age, and _________ stops juicing when he’s taken out of the leadoff spot to spite Lou (that last is a joke).

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 8, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Final word from me on this

I have not indicted Geovany Soto of taking performance enhancing drugs. What I HAVE said is that I am suspicious about Soto and steroids. I’m not going to ignore the tangible things we can see with our eyes and the movement of his performance trend line the last three seasons of professional baseball. Or discount the whispers of the past that Steve Stone and others have noted.

by BLou on May 8, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

then why not suspect Lee?

He had a big season and then declined. Rami didn’t hit nearly as well in Pittsburgh as he does in Chicago. And obviously, Koskue Fukudome MUST have been on the juice in Japan, because he fell off so badly last year.

Circumstantial evidence is called that for a reason, and you have to have a LOT of it to make a legitimate case. You do NOT have “a lot of it”.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 8, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

The physical back and forth transformation of Soto combined with the rise and fall back again of his game makes the debate open.

Disagree. People gain and lose weight all the time, and it has nothing to do with drugs.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 8, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, that's a problem too then

If Soto, as a professional athlete, can’t keep himself in reasonable shape, then I’d say that, alone is a bad sign.

by bluekoolaide on May 8, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't deny

that it’s a problem. He’s no Prince Fielder, but I think it could be a problem.

Or, he could simply be slumping early in the season.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 8, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not accusing or saying geo is clean....

but there are plenty of PEDs that do not show up in urine or blood tests.

"Cubs Win, Cubs Win, CUBS WIN!"

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by MandMexpress12 on May 8, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

so then

can I accuse you of juicing?

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 8, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

If I was MLB player....

I was just pointing out a fact

"Cubs Win, Cubs Win, CUBS WIN!"

Steve McMichael: "I'm going to have to have a talk with that umpire down there." Angel Hernadez than ejected McMichael. 08/07/2001

by MandMexpress12 on May 8, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

why do you have to be an MLB player

to be accused of something with absolutely no evidence or precedent?

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 8, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am not accusing geo or anyone at all for that matter.

I actually am defending Geo for his play and believe he will turn it around. However, with this conversation and the manny thing yesterday I was just playing devils advocate.

"Cubs Win, Cubs Win, CUBS WIN!"

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by MandMexpress12 on May 8, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why?

If the criteria is only, “they played better than expected,” then drag Fontenot, Theriot, Hoffpauir, Dempster, and Marmol into this mud, too.

Otherwise, and especially when we have other explanations like injuries and weight management issues, why not keep your poorly-veiled accusations to yourself?

ML ballplayers have poorly protected their own corporate reputations by resisting strong testing, but two wrongs don’t make a right and it’s still right to protect people’s individual reputations when there is nothing approaching proof.

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 8, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Look at Soto's physical form pre 2007, 2007-2008, and now

The suspicion is legitimate. If its unfair of me to be suspicious then this is the type of garbage major league baseball and its player union have allowed to happen.

The window for winning a World Series may have waned.

by BLou on May 8, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree that MLB and the players' union is at fault for failing to protect the age's identity.

But it’s different to pick on individual players, just based on statistical anomalies. There are plenty of one or two year wonders, even apart from PEDs. And there are plenty of catchers, in particular, who struggle their second full season because they are much more banged up after donning the tools of ignorance for so long.

I’ll call the whole age guilty, because they all refused to clean up their sport. But it’s different to drag one or two players’ names up while ignoring others with similar statistical cases.

Derrek Lee is good.

by DGU on May 8, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

sure why not

we havent worried in about a week, lets start again

SARCASM!!!

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 8, 2009 10:47 AM CDT reply actions  

Worry

why worry. If he goes 1-5 like last night his average goes up~

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on May 8, 2009 11:55 AM CDT reply actions  

Now that's what I call lookin' on the sunny side.

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by daver on May 8, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

better

than looking and Geo’s hind side, accordingly to some of the posters it is getting very large.

"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"

by wild bill on May 8, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

So large, in fact, that it's hard to ignore...apparently.

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by daver on May 8, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

No...

Let him get back into shape then shake out that Sophomore slump.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on May 8, 2009 12:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Geo is a major concern

Looks overweight and can’t drive the ball anymore. They keep saying it looks like he is seeing the ball better and might be coming out of his slump, but it isn’t happening.

Hey the Cubs are good again! This will be a good test of a sig jinx.

by nji232 on May 8, 2009 12:26 PM CDT reply actions  

I know that Len and BB were starting to talk about it the other night

BB mentioned usually when you get to 100 ab’s, you start to worry a little bit.

Unfortunately, all of this speculation won’t play out for awhile. If he continues to flounder, he’ll get a semi-pass as possibly succumbing to a sophomore slump. And maybe that’s what this is. I HOPE that’s what this is.

Still, until he starts hitting, the ghost of Rick Wilkins is going to be haunting him.

by bluekoolaide on May 8, 2009 12:45 PM CDT reply actions  

How come no mention of the WBC?

I think that is a major component. Lou himself has even said he is still basically in Spring Training. Not catching in WBC hurt. Not hitting vs MLB caliber pitching hurt. All those WBC off days hurt. His defense was suspect and just looked rusty, his arm looked weak, and Brenly mentioned his foot worked looked slow. Well recently Geo has thrown some great throws and Bob says his foot work is much better. Normally in spring training and at the beginning of season hitting is the last thing to come around. In the Florida series he had a couple of well struck balls driven to right, probably would have had a home run or 2 but wind was blowing in. So hopefully that means his offensive break out is right around the corner. And even last year geovany is a streaky hitter. Remember he got off to great start, had a rough spot including that Washington series, got hot again, slumped. I believe just a matter of time until he breaks out of it in big way.

"Cubs Win, Cubs Win, CUBS WIN!"

Steve McMichael: "I'm going to have to have a talk with that umpire down there." Angel Hernadez than ejected McMichael. 08/07/2001

by MandMexpress12 on May 8, 2009 1:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Fukudome

that is reason #1 I will not allow WBC to be blamed.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 8, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fukudome,

was benched in the WBC. Just pointing it out.

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Steve McMichael: "I'm going to have to have a talk with that umpire down there." Angel Hernadez than ejected McMichael. 08/07/2001

by MandMexpress12 on May 8, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

so was Soto, essentially.

He only played a few innings.

"That’s the great thing about baseball, you never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out." — Lou Piniella

by drewishdrewid on May 8, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think his point was...

… Fukudome was benched for poor play in the WBC. Yet, he came back to the Cubs and has been very good so far this year.

Geo didn’t play much in the WBC, not for poor play, but by design. He came back to the Cubs and played poorly.

Thus, don’t blame the WBC.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on May 8, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

exactly

glad someone understood it.

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 8, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yah I understood it.

Al what do you think of GEO’s early struggles so far and what do you attribute them to? He was very streaky last year. I was more alarmed about his weight, slow defense, and lackluster throws. The defense seems to be back.

"Cubs Win, Cubs Win, CUBS WIN!"

Steve McMichael: "I'm going to have to have a talk with that umpire down there." Angel Hernadez than ejected McMichael. 08/07/2001

by MandMexpress12 on May 8, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the weight has a lot to do with it.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on May 8, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree.

As someone that has an ongoing struggle with weight myself, I can see how just a couple extra pounds would slow him up, screw up his timing, etc. I can also see that being an explanation for any rapid gain or loss without it having anything whatsoever to do with drugs.

by katie casey on May 8, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the WBC

Should be played in the winter. That would eliminate a lot of talks about that stuff.

"Check the magic of a winning season and there are always reasons beyond the talent." Ned Colleti

by wrigleyrocker12 on May 8, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

cant blame the WBC

here is my reasoning behind that

http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2009/5/8/870067/please-stop-blaming-the-wbc-for

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on May 8, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

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