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The Good Things Only Recap Of A Really Bad Cubs Loss, 8-2 To Dodgers

What could be going on in this conversation? You decide!

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What could be going on in this conversation? You decide!

Yes, I know. The Cubs lost 8-2 to the Dodgers Sunday night, and ESPN may as well have switched to Australian rules football by 7:30 Central time, because the game was pretty much over after the Dodgers batted around off Sean Marshall in the first inning. The only real hard hit was the two-run double by Mark Loretta over Mike Fontenot's head. There's one instance where the Cubs could have used a taller third baseman -- a nearly identical line drive hit by Derrek Lee was snagged by the 6-0 Loretta. Fontenot is listed at 5-8. Trust me on this one -- he's at least two inches shorter than that.

Anyway, I'm not going to dwell on that. While I know this season is not all puppies, butterflies and rainbows, let's look at some of the positive things both about last night's game and the 2009 Cubs:

  • The Cubs had a winning month of May at 15-13.
  • The best team in baseball came in and the Cubs fought them to a draw, and shut them out for the first time this season.
  • Last night, the bullpen threw 4.2 innings of four-hit ball and struck out eight.
  • Reed Johnson had three more hits and pushed his average to .295. (OK, one tiny little negative: he made an ill-advised dash to the plate trying to score in the second inning on a fly ball to short right and was gunned down easily by Dodgers RF Jamie Hoffmann.)
  • Jason Waddell threw very well in his major league debut.
  • Since the eight-game losing streak started, the Cubs are now 4-10. In those 14 games, the Cubs got outstanding starting pitching in 10 of them; in those 10 games they allowed 3, 2, 3, 4, 3, 1, 2, 2, 1 and 0 runs. If this team gets starting pitching like that in 71% of its remaining games, they will win a lot of games.
  • That doesn't mean they don't need more hitting. That wouldn't have helped last night, but pretty much the same starting lineup scored seven runs on Saturday and even last night, had nine hits and did have a chance to get back in the game after scoring two runs in the sixth. One more single, with runners on second and third, would have produced two more runs and made it a game at 8-4.
  • Two years ago tomorrow -- the day of Lou's calculated tirade at umpire Mark Wegner -- the Cubs stood at 22-31, nine games under .500 and 7.5 games out of first place. (They would be as many as 8.5 games out later in June.) By the end of that month Rob Bowen was their starting catcher. And yet, that team came back and made the playoffs.

For you ledge jumpers out there, this season is far from over. The Cubs' starting pitching is going to keep them in most games and they sit only 4.5 games out of first place (four in the loss column). Aramis Ramirez is still targeted to come back after the All-Star break, although he may have to have offseason shoulder surgery:

"I'm working to get the strength back and, hopefully, I won't need surgery," Ramirez told the Sun-Times on Sunday. "If at the end of the season, if it is still bothering me, then I'll have to do something. But if I rehab pretty good, and everything goes well, then I don't have to.

"If I have to have surgery, I'm going to have it right after the season. And I should be ready for the next season. I don't know if I'll be ready for spring training, but I should be ready for Opening Day."

In the meantime, enjoy this day off -- the first of four consecutive Monday off-days, a rarity in June. The Cubs will take advantage by tweaking the rotation for the upcoming road trip:

Manager Lou Piniella said Sunday the day off allows him the flexibility of giving Dempster an extra day of rest, using Sunday's starter, Sean Marshall, on Friday in Cincinnati and Dempster on Saturday. Dempster pitched seven scoreless innings Saturday against the Los Angeles Dodgers but has been battling the blister most of the season.

It's a new month, and here's another comparison point: despite all the turmoil of May, the Cubs are only four games worse than they were after 49 games in 2008 (29-20) -- something to keep you in a positive mood.

Finally, if you create a new FanPost today, you will probably go "Whoa!" when you see the new posting box and other new editing features. For a complete rundown on the new posting features -- particularly autotagging and the ability to tweet your posts via your own Twitter account, go here.

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Staying upbeat will be tough...........

………..if they don’t play .500 ball (or better) for the next 6 weeks. If they can manage to tread water while Ramirez is out, then I could see them making a strong run in the second half once he comes back.

However, if another NL Central team gets hot and/or the Cubs play poorly, Hendry could be “selling” at the trade deadline.

"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." ~ Frank Sinatra

by tville on Jun 1, 2009 8:28 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

Either is a possible scenario. There is no dominant team in the NL Central, and the Cubs do not have a difficult schedule this month.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jun 1, 2009 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

September could be a

month where we all start drinking, smoking, and pulling our hair out. The race for the NL Central could be so tight we have a different division leader each day that month

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 1, 2009 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about those of us who....

Already drink, smoke 2 packs a day, and have no hair.

If the world didn't suck we would all fall off.

by carolinacub on Jun 1, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

schedule your chemo

now

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you will move up to non filtered

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 1, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

+1

If it weren't for the gutter, my mind would be homeless.

by Cubsfanatic on Jun 1, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of scheduling

We have had the highest strength of schedule so far according to ESPN’s relative power index. Brewers are 4th, Reds are 11th, Cardinals are 20th.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/rpi

"The finish line is just the start of the next race."

by Sobenergy on Jun 1, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for posting this info.

That would indicate the Brewers have done well with a tough schedule. The Cardinals and Reds, not so much.

And the Cubs have yet to play the Nationals, who have a chance to get into 2003 Tigers territory this year. They have played the Cardinals in one series so far — St. Louis took two of three.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jun 1, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, Nationals are 28th in strength of schedule

and yet are 13 and 36. The rest of the year could be (even more) painful in Washington…

by Inkin on Jun 1, 2009 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And the Cubs still have 7 games left with them!

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jun 1, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

left?

have we played them at all yet?

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No.

OK, maybe “left” wasn’t the right word. We have ALL seven games still to play with the Nats.

Better?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jun 1, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no!

I want to play MORE games against the Nationals! :D

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is a much more challenging season than last year (and the year before) for so many reasons.

The Cubs only had the Brewers as competition last season. The Cardinals, even though they stayed somewhat close had too many problems to contend. Now, they — the Brewers…and, yes — the Reds are in the mix.

The Cubs have injury problems, a concern about middle relief, and minimal offensive output from at least 3 key players. If these three issues have some sort of solution, thern there’s a chance.

Just sayin’…

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jun 1, 2009 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't want to say it

But if the Cubs are out of it or really far behind would they consider having Aram have the surgery earlier if they think they’re out of it to give additional recovery time for 2010?

Also new Cubs lookalike. Koyie Hill and TJ Thyne. Maybe it’s just the hair :).

Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.

by cubstoseriesby100 on Jun 1, 2009 8:31 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Oops

TJ is kind of obscure. He plays Jack Hodgins on Bones. I’d post a picture but then I’d really get distracted.

Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.

by cubstoseriesby100 on Jun 1, 2009 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The words I picked up the most was

“ledge jumpers”.

So those who want to jump, have someone do a video of it and put it on YouTube.

Not even a 1/3rd of the way in. There’s so much more to go.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Jun 1, 2009 8:35 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Strongly Disagree

The term “ledge jumpers” is inflammatory and ignorant to be honest with you. Anyone with a negative view of what has transpired so far this season, or a belief that all of the positive commentary in the world won’t solve what ills this team, is generalized as a “ledge jumper”. Obviously, doing so is a convenient way of turning a blind eye to the failings of this team as it it currently constructed. By the same token, to my knowledge, a universal term does not exist for those that are eternally optimistic that all that is needed to turn this thing around is regression to the mean.

The fact of the matter is, this team is flawed. I think we all can recognize that. So to insist that the hitters will come around and the starting pitching will continue to keep up the current pace is way overly optiimistic. The reality is just as likely that the hitting will come around and the pitching will falter…or the hitting will continue to be mediocre or worse while the pitching will “regress to the mean”. The variables are endless and I haven’t even mentioned team defense.

The reality is this…this is a .500 team. It is not a consistent offense and nothing points to such consistency in the near future. You are what you are and right now, no matter how you want to rationalize it, this team is mediocre. Believe me, I want them to do much, much better than this but the stark reality is that it may be asking a lot.

Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?

by krummy12 on Jun 1, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Regarding "ledge jumpers"

I understand what you’re saying, but I don’t agree. In my book there is a big difference between those that have thoughtful criticism about this team that they can back up and people who simply use BCB as their soapbox when things are going bad.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Jun 1, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What? As opposed to the people who use BCB as a soapbox

to constantly tell us how great the Cubs are and how everything’s going to be fine/

It consistently boggles my mind that the “cheerleaders” don’t see that people also have every right to point out flaws with the team. Apparently, to some, free speech only exists when that speech is in complete agreement with what the want to believe.

by bluekoolaide on Jun 1, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No one's saying that.

This team clearly has flaws and we discuss them all the time. It’s the “the season is over” comments after one bad game (compare them to the remarks made after Saturday’s game) that don’e make sense.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jun 1, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, we try to discuss them

but are often called "ignorant’ and told to “go root for another team if we don’t believe in the Cubs”.

There are people on this site who think it’s acceptable to attack anybody who critcizes the Cubs-I’ve seen it countless times.

by bluekoolaide on Jun 1, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's wrong, too.

This is a place to discuss the good and bad, as long as you keep it clean.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jun 1, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

To me it's frustrating to read BCB

when the team is playing poorly. So many people come out of the woodwork to say how crappy the team is and to vent their frustration, without really bringing any real substance.

Again there is a big difference to me regarding people who criticizes the team thoughtfully and people who simply vent.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Jun 1, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree. You NEVER

see those posters in the game thread when we are winning. If we are not winning it becomes a bitchfest in the game threads. If we take the lead the people complaining disappear. Why can’t they be in the threads to cheer for this team like the rest of us? Why come in to just vent your venom? That’s what gets old.

by sue369 on Jun 1, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Disagree

What is the purpose for posting things when it’s going well? There are plenty of cheerleaders around here as it is. Another one isn’t necessary.

Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?

by krummy12 on Jun 1, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

necessary?

none of it’s necessary.

I just wish those who are so quick to condemn at us were also quick to celebrate with us.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's the purpose of coming

in the game threads and bitching? It solves nothing. If those who want to bitch and vent they could start their own thread. Why should those of us who support this team all game long in the game thread have to put up with your venting?

by sue369 on Jun 1, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

while I agree with what you are saying..

What exactly are you putting up with? You can choose not to read and more so not respond to whatever you don’t like right? If you don’t like an opinion or an assessment you can either ignore that or merely state your disagreement and move on. People actually make things worse by getting personal. It’s not like you actually have to “live” with those people under the same roof.

by cubsnlinux on Jun 1, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess

we disagree.

by sue369 on Jun 1, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you disagree that you can just ignore it?

how is there even a disagreement about that?

by WanderingWanderer on Jun 1, 2009 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's hard to ignore

all the posts that show up when something doesn’t go the way the people who aren’t already in the room post. We are all watching the same game. We see when the team isn’t playing well and we also see when players make mistakes and pitchers look like crap. We don’t need those who aren’t already in the thread to come in and tell us that.

Let them start their own thread and they can bitch all they want. There have been several people who use to be in the game threads who no longer partcipate because of the people who only come in to piss and moan. It may not bother you but it does bother a lot of people.

by sue369 on Jun 1, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Therein lies the problem

Why do you think that they are *telling you? It’s not as if they are saying “Hey Sue, Season over!!!!”.

Why do you need to think that they are talking to “You”? As I said let them have their say while you have your peace. Now, if they are getting personal with you then I would agree that you need to stand up for yourself.

by cubsnlinux on Jun 1, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's like riding the subway

and someone stands up in the middle of the car and starts singing Englebert Humperdink songs.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't mean to imply

they are saying it to me but the whole group who are already in the thread. We don’t have peace when they are in there. That’s the point. Those of us who are already in there have to read through all those posts just to comunicate with each other. All they do is cause some of us to leave. Let them start their own thread and the problem is solved.

by sue369 on Jun 1, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've said this before

it’s difficult to ignore something when you hit z to go to the next comment, and instead are sent back into an old debate. They say their piece, over and over again, and I can’t have my peace.

by chitownhawkeye on Jun 1, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It very well could be

Could the season be “over” right now? If you’re talking about a World Series and at the very least a trip to the NLCS, yes, absolutely it could be over right now. Could this team right the ship and rip off a prolonged winning stretch that gets them back comfortably in front of this division? Sure. But nearly 50 games into this season, there is a much greater book of evidence to suggest the former rather than the latter. Blind loyalty and winning apologists aside.

Similarly, some games are indeed over after the 2nd inning. Last night was a perfect example. Nothing suggested they were going to recover from a first inning 5-run deficit and no matter how many if’s and but’s you want to trot out there, the liklihood of a huge comeback last night was extremely slim. Those with blind loyalty will say there was a chance. Those that see the reality of what this team really is probably didn’t.

With the pendulum swinging wildly in both ways, the one true outcome of where this team is right now is where the truth lies. A .500 ballclub, just as their record indicates. Will they be better in stretches? Yes. Will they be worse? Yes. Is there anything on this current team that suggests they are far better than where they are…other than mean regression? I haven’t seen it.

Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?

by krummy12 on Jun 1, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Could the season be "over" right now? If you’re talking about a World Series and at the very least a trip to the NLCS, yes, absolutely it could be over right now. Could this team right the ship and rip off a prolonged winning stretch that gets them back comfortably in front of this division? Sure. But nearly 50 games into this season, there is a much greater book of evidence to suggest the former rather than the latter. Blind loyalty and winning apologists aside.

My sig on this board used to be a quote from Lou Piniella: “That’s the great thing about baseball. You never know what’s going to happen till you get the final out.”

The Cubs have come back from 5-run deficits before. They’ve come back to win the division from 4 games back before. I don’t see how you can say that you KNOW that these things won’t happen. And THAT’s what bothers me about the ledge-jumpers — they KNOW, without a DOUBT, that the game is over, and the season too — even when they’re wrong.

Someone was on the board friday during the game, and when the Dodgers went up 1-0, they were SURE that the game was over. Said so many times. Come the victory, they were nowhere to be found. That’s the other problem with the jumpers — rarely are they around to celebrate, but they ALWAYS pop up when we lose.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I may

The converse of that argument is equally valid. You quoted Piniella as saying you never know what’s going to happen and use it to support the argument that the Cubs could have come back. Doesn’t that same quote apply to the Cubs losing the next 25 games? I’m guessing that it does.

And not to support what you term the “ledge jumpers”, aside from scoring 7-runs on Saturday, I’m wondering just what exactly you have seen from that offense lately that would lead you to believe they could come back from a 5-run deficit? Mind you, coming back from 5-run deficits in the past are mutually exclusive events that have no bearing on the current make-up of this club and the direction that they have been headed lately. I would tend to believe that using the “they’ve done it before” argument is more likely to be viewed as the eternally optimistic view rather than one that is based rationally on current events.

Look, (not to use Lou’s favorite buzzword), I’m not being difficult here but I’m trying to point out that until this team starts winning, it’s recently mild winning ways notwithstanding, there really isn’t anything to hang our hats on that this team is capable of a grand turnaround. And I firmly believe that banking on Ramirez’ return is fool’s gold at best.

Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?

by krummy12 on Jun 1, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

but I'm not predicting

success. I’m simply watching the games, saying “these guys should be able to play better than this” and hoping. Regression to the mean is a valid, recognized evaluation tool.

THIS TEAM has come back from deficits. Up until Saturday, they’d lost all their one run games. By your logic, that means they could NEVER win a one run game, because this team isn’t last year’s team.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Regression to the mean

has been degraded into “things average out.” Not many people know that it arose from probability theory and the analysis of random phenomena.

by ol Pete on Jun 1, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It still applies...

the point is that when you observe a small sample, you’re more likely to have results that are inconsistent with the true mean (i.e., influenced by randomness). This applies whether you’re measuring the height of the population or whether you’re examining a player’s statistics through one month of a six-month season.

by SouthernCub on Jun 1, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Addendum: the key is...

identifying what the “true” mean is. It’s different for each player, and that’s the most difficult thing to assess moving forward.

Taking Soto for example. Is the slap hitting OBP guy from the minors the true mean, or is it his 2008? Or is it somewhere in between? Without that, we don’t know to what type of numbers he should regress.

by SouthernCub on Jun 1, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're using the modern perversion of the term

It didn’t used to mean “average out.” It sounds more sophisticated but that is what you are saying.

by ol Pete on Jun 1, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn't trying to pick a fight with my comment earlier.

Maybe my idea of the term ledge jumper is different thant everyone elses. I’m totally down for people criticizing the team, as long as they are thoughtful responses rather than venting.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Jun 1, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Cubs Record since getting my MB Road Jersey: 3-1

by heine41 on Jun 1, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no

you’ve got it. The ledge-jumpers are the ones who pop up and scream “DEMPSTER SUCKS” or “GAME OVER” when the other team goes up 2-0 in the top of the first.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mean regression is relevant though...

As several players have performed below what they should be expected to do.

I don’t see this team as a World Series team myself, but I do think that the talent is greater than that of a .500 team. The PERFORMANCE to this point has been that of a .500 team, but the talent is above that.

The question, of course, will be whether or not the performance can match (or even outperform) the talent for an extend stretch. If it can, we could/should put ourselves back in control of the division.

by SouthernCub on Jun 1, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is no such thing as a "World Series" team until after any given team actually wins a World Series.

Did anyone think the 2006 Cardinals were a “World Series” team when they won the division with 83 wins? Of course not. If a team can manage to get into the playoffs which this Cubs team still could if Soto, Lee, Bradley, Fontenot and or Ramirez start to produce the way they are capable. My point is that there is no such thing as a “World Series” team because last season the Cubs had the best team in the National League and failed to get to the World Series. It’s a crap shoot once teams get into the playoffs and any team that gets there has a shot at winning it. All the Cubs need to focus on during the regular season is getting into the playoffs if that happens they could have a shot at winning it all.

by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jun 1, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Totally agree.

n/t

Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.

by TCobb1911 on Jun 1, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

there's a difference

between seeing where there are flaws and how to improve on them, and suggesting “game over” in the 2nd inning.

Also, I really wish people would learn and understand how the concept of “Freedom of Speech” applies in the US. For instance, it has NOTHING TO DO with your ability to post on a privately owned blog.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So then who sets the rules for what can be discussed on this site? You?

Apparently what you’re saying is that freedom of speech doesn’t apply here and so a few people (who don’t “own” this blog) are then allowed to dictate.

Al always seems reasonable and fair about things-and, yes, he has a right to dictate. But you have no more right to say what can or can’t be discussed than I do.

by bluekoolaide on Jun 1, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The community sets the rules

with Al being the biggest vote, of course.

But the 1st Amendment does not apply here. The 1st Amendment only applies to the government. So the GOVERNMENT can’t tell you what you can and cannot post on BCB. That’s all.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The community sets the rules...

What does that mean exactly? Who constitutes the “community”? What do we do? Take a vote before every game and then decide what can and can’t be discussed?
But let’s call it what it is-you’re conception of "community’ is obviously tied to a core group of regulars who are on this site WAY TOO MUCH and, because of that, think that they have some sort of inherent right to dictate to everybody else.
And please, get off the 1st Amendement rant-we get it.

by bluekoolaide on Jun 1, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no

it’s a standard that evolves from a base set of standards set by the owners of this site — SBN and Al.

But let’s call it what it is-you’re conception of "community’ is obviously tied to a core group of regulars who are on this site WAY TOO MUCH and, because of that, think that they have some sort of inherent right to dictate to everybody else.

First of all, you don’t get to decide “way too much” for anyone. I’m lucky — I get to sit on this board and talk about the Cubs all day if I want to, because my job gives me that kind of flexibility.

And no one is dictating to anyone else — but even if the 1st Amendment applied here (which it doesn’t), there’s nothing that suggests that I or anyone else cannot reply with a viewpoint that disagrees. You want to be able to come here and say “the Cubs suck, and this is why” and not get any talk back. That’s not going to happen.

And please, get off the 1st Amendement rant-we get it.

So, just so I get this straight — because I’m a regular, and I’m on this board “too much”, it’s wrong for me to tell someone what they can and cannot say (if I did that) because that’s dictating, but this above, that’s not, right? Because you aren’t on the board “too much”? Shall I claim that you’re attempting to impede my freedom of speech?

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm through wasting my energy with this.

I like arguments that actually involve intelligent give and take and, unlike you, I find differences of opinion interesting and even stimulating.

The difference between you and me is that I welcome these differences-I think that’s one of the things that makes life interesting. Also, my ego is not so out of whack that I believe I’m always right about everything.

I have no right to dictate to ANYONE, you included but, as you state above, YOU DO.

Okay, so I’m through with this. It’s a pointless exercise to argue with close minded people.

One thing that you, and all the other “cheerleaders” need to accept though-there are ALWAYS going to be people on sites like this that don’t agree with you and, as much as you’d like it to be the contrary, you simply can’t control them.

by bluekoolaide on Jun 1, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

what?

that’s amazing. You took what I said, and turned it completely around. That’s quite a pretzel.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Albert Pujols for Cubs Starting 1B in 2011

by heine41 on Jun 1, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Drew and him being on this board way too much.

there are some here who have posted 60 times that I feel are on here WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY too much

Quality >>>>>>>>>>>> Quantity

Drew just happens to embody both, IMO

Cubs Record since getting my MB Road Jersey: 3-1

by heine41 on Jun 1, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

aw, shucks

:D

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

just giving ya some positive feedback

don’t know who pee’d in bluekoolaid’s cheerios this morning

Albert Pujols for Cubs Starting 1B in 2011

by heine41 on Jun 1, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and suggesting "game over" in the 2nd inning.

Ok, no need to drag “game threads” into this discussion. We all know how they are. I view game threads as more like a running log of our collective thought processes. They are kind of like Twitter on *roids.

by cubsnlinux on Jun 1, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I tend to stay away from the game threads

There are a certain amount of people who spend a lot of time there and seem to regard them as their own private little society. Luckily I have plenty of friends in the non-cyber world that I can discuss the Cubs with.

by bluekoolaide on Jun 1, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Strongly Disagree?

I’m saying if people want to jump off the ledge after 49 GAMES, then go for it.

Yes, the team has issues, but more importantly they have issues they can solve.

What bothers me is there are some in the past couple weeks who have sworn off the team with >113 games to go.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Jun 1, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've pretty much given up on trying to reason with the "lovers' on this site

Here Krummy presents a perfectly reasonable, well worded post about the difference between honest criticism of the team and this ridiculous label “ledge jumper” and still some people completely ignore his perfectly valid argument and go back to the usual “ledge jumpers…blah…blah…blah”.

The cheerleaders will NEVER get that honest criticism is just as valid an approach to fandom as blind loyalty is.

by bluekoolaide on Jun 1, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

OK

What might you suggest to solve the problems that you believe are solvable? I’m not trying to be inflammatory myself here and really would like to hear what you believe will help this team solve it’s hitting woes. And if I may, I will eliminate the argument of “they have to hit better”…the mean regression argument if you will. Because quite honestly, despite what some may believe, Soto, Bradley, Fontenot…..etc…are just as likely to continue to hit .200 all year long as they are to right the ship. Perhaps this os one of those seasons where they don’t hit at all. So, aside from the mean regression argument, what exactly have you seen that would indicate this team is capable of internally solving it’s problems? Of course if there are external solutions that you believe will help, I’d like to hear them as well.

Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?

by krummy12 on Jun 1, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even though this pains me to say it

I actually agreed with Joe Morgan last night. His point was even with Ramy back in the lineup, he felt the Cubs took a step back from last years team. He also stated the Cubs over-reacted( the lefthandedness well discussed in these parts) after getting swept by the Dodgers last year.
 Sadly I agree. Cubs need, and soon for Soriano, Bradley, Soto, Lee and Fontenot to start hitting the ball. Goodness I don’t think I have seen a funk for so long for half the lineup. A lot of ball left, lets just don’t wait so long.
 One other thing, Fox looked overmatched last night, anyone else?

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Jun 1, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fox looked bad against Milton.

I’ll give him a pass on the Broxton AB. Lots of guys couldn’t catch up to what he was throwing last night.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Jun 1, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not particularly worried about Bradley or Soriano

Bradley’s always hit and there’s no reason to believe that he won’t this year.

Soriano is streaky-we all know that-he’ll have his “light’s out” perioids where he’ll carry the team and, unfortunately, his other periods where he’ll disappear.

I have SERIOUS doubts that Soto will ever reach last year’s heights again.

Lee is, unfortunately, on the downward point of his career-he’s basically a 10 hr, 60 RBI guy now which is not the kind of production we need out of our first baseman-esp. with our best hitter basically a non factor for the rest of the year.

Fontenot is what he is-a nice player who is much better sharing time then starting on a daily basis.

We definitely need offensive help but, apparently, Hendry’s hands are tied right now/

by bluekoolaide on Jun 1, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its ok.

We’ll sign Pujols in 2 years. Bet on it

Cubs Record since getting my MB Road Jersey: 3-1

by heine41 on Jun 1, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like this thinking

10 years 300 million. Just give it to him, we get Albert Pujols and we stab the Cardinals right in the heart. Lets do it.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jun 1, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I mean, It's not like the Cardinals are going to be able to afford it.

And we are going to have a nice little hole at 1st to fill :)

Cubs Record since getting my MB Road Jersey: 3-1

by heine41 on Jun 1, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Cards can't afford him and niether can the Cubs

The Cubs won’t have that kind of money to spend on Pujols it will be tied up in Soriano, Ramirez, Zambrano, and Dempster, to name a few. But the plan should be to let D-Lee go when his contract is up, move Ramirez to 1st Base, and let Josh Vitters take over at 3rd Base.

by tripdenten on Jun 1, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lee is a 10 HR, 60 RBI guy? Really?

I disagree with your assessment there. I’ll point you to Lee’s stats in May:
64 AB, 4 2B, 4 HR, 4 HR, .313/.403/.552 (.955 OPS)

That a HR every 16 AB. Now, granted this was a hot month. But even if he’s down to a HR every 25 AB, that’s 24 HR over a 600-AB season. When you add the high OBP, you still have a really productive hitter. Heck, even including his terrible April this year, he has 5 HR in 38 games. So, he’d be on pace to hit 20+ HR this year had he not missed a week and a half with injuries.

I don’t think we’re going to see the 35-HR seasons from Lee anymore, but 20-25 HR seems completely reasonable to me.

by SouthernCub on Jun 1, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bradley seems to be turning it around lately.

I remember seeing a stat last night that said something like since Aramis went down, he’s batting over .300. Lee had a real good May. Soriano, well is Soriano. Soto I’m very worried about.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Jun 1, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Soto, unfortunately, has reverted to what he was always thought to be;

a back-up catcher.

I predict he’ll be gone within two years and we’ll begin a "Rick Wilkins-type odyssey’ around the majors before hanging it up.

by bluekoolaide on Jun 1, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Suggestions?

1. Rami has to get back. He’s the best clutch guy and his presence forces opposing pitching staffs to approach other hitters differently.
2. Geo has to get a little rest and get back into a fitness program of some sorts. He looks out of shape. He needs to work extra hard in the cages with the hitting coach.
3. They need to re-capture some of their line up flexibility, whether by a trade or trying out other guys from the organization.
4. They’re going to need another starter now. Z was already on the DL, Harden is now. They’re missing a good southpaw in the ‘pen. To me, acquiring another starter puts Marshall in the ’pen and helps reduce Marmol’s exposure.
5. Harden coming back. Even if he does come back strong, they should still look at another starter unless suddenly there’s this ‘pen southpaw available, which I won’t count on.

I guess I’m not knocking the people saying they’re gonna have a hard time coming back as much as those who think they have no chance. We’ve been through this before. 2 years to the day to be exact. Z hammers Barrett in the Fri game against the Braves; Cubs lose. Next day, Lou blows a head gasket; Cubs lose. They begin to turn it around a little in June but won’t start putting things together until the end of the month. Still at the end of June they were 8.5GB.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Jun 1, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe you are on track

with 2-5.

Further, the team needs to sort out of Soto is an everyday catcher, if the combination of Soto/Hill is a workable platoon, or something else if neither is a solution this year.

As for #1, The Ramirez pre-injury needs to get back. After his playoff performances in 07 & 08, whether Ramirez is truly clutch is arguable, but I agree he is still the best clutch guy on the roster until Bradley finally shows more than flashes of his 2008 performance.

My biggest concern is every decision and roster seems to be to keep the team in the hunt until Ramirez returns. With no guarantee he can carry the team on his return or be 100%, this team probably has to do better than merely stay in the hunt.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on Jun 1, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget

The Cubs could have won every single day in the second half of 2007 but if Milwaukee doesn’t complete it’s free fall, it wouldn’t have mattered. They’re not at that point yet in 2009 but it seems to be pretty clear that there more variables are going to have to go the Cubs way for them to get in this mix. It’s not simply going to happen if a couple guys get hot for a week or so and then head back to their 2009 production to date.

Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?

by krummy12 on Jun 1, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The status quo will obviously not get it done...

I don’t think anyone is suggesting that, if things remain as is, we’ll win the division. The point is that there is still time for players like Bradley, Fontenot, and Soto to get better.

We’re not 8.5 back like we were in 2007. We’re 4.5 back. If players play the way they’re capable, that ground can certainly be made up. If they don’t, it’s unlikely that we’ll make up that ground.

by SouthernCub on Jun 1, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As for #1, yes that's

games 1-162. After that, Rami too failed to produce.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Jun 1, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh dear, not Twitter

does this mean we will be subjected to posts regarding what somebody had for lunch and how their day has been?

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jun 1, 2009 8:35 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No.

Actually, the posts here have been sent to Twitter since spring training, along with a few other things I have tweeted.

No lunch info, though.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jun 1, 2009 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then

Then I won’t sign up for twitter, Al. Finding out what you eat for lunch is actually the main reason to sign up :).

Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.

by cubstoseriesby100 on Jun 1, 2009 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thankfully I was occupied and unable to watch last night

Honestly after 2000+ games and tied all time, it only makes sense that we split the series.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jun 1, 2009 8:43 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

there is

a feeling of fate, isn’t there… :D

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

splitting would have been fine

but being blown out sucked.

by Allie on Jun 1, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Saturday and Sunday's outcomes had been reversed you probably wouldn't feel this way.

The Dodgers have yet to lose 3 in a row this season, currently they are the best team in the NL. I think the Cubs have to be glad to have taken 2 of 4 and had a winning home stand considering our offense isn’t firing on all cylinders right now.

by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jun 1, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is it me

or does it seem like Aramis’ return keeps getting pushed back? After the All Star break? That’s 10 weeks. Lou said the other day he would be back the first week of July, not the third. That only leaves 2 months of games left with Ramirez in the lineup. Who knows how he’ll be. I don’t see how they make up enough ground in 2 months.

I’m not ledge jumping. I think he should just have the operation. He probably won’t be anywhere near the Aramis we know when he first comes back, there’s already 4.5 games to make up, and the roster we have now is not good enough to catch Milwaukee on its own. Go ahead, say its only 4.5 games. Its just not good enough. There are too many holes.

Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.

by TCobb1911 on Jun 1, 2009 8:48 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No, it wasn't pushed back.

I think it was always targeted for after the All-Star break. There will be 73 games left, not “two months worth”. You can easily make up 4.5 games in 73 games’ time.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jun 1, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's saying that

they are 4.5 when he comes back. In my opinion this current roster is not good enough to hold the fort down that long. There are big holes and I expect them to be around 8 games back by the time he gets back.

There is no saying that Aramis will even come back that early. We’ll probably get the Aramis we know for 15-20 games. That’s not much. Of course you can make up 4.5 games in 73 games’ time, but again, I’ll bet good money they’re further out than that. You have too many AAA players filling important Major League roles.

Lou in fact did say he would be back the first week of July. It was said in an interview following one of their wins this week.

Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.

by TCobb1911 on Jun 1, 2009 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

if the roster is so weak

that losing ONE player means we can’t hold on, we’re not going to do anything in the playoffs anyway.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is some truth to that,

however losing one player, especially when he’s your best makes for drastic changes in your lineup and the way you are pitched. There are drastic changes to the physchology of a team. Players add more pressure trying to step up in his absence. Certain hitters won’t be pitched to, in order to get to Scales or Blacno. Instead of Ramirez hitting 5 you have Fontenot and Johnson when Kosuke doesn’t play. There is a massive difference.

Think of all the close low scoring games they lost during their 8 game skid. Not saying Aram would have won all of them but don’t you think the outcomes could have been a lot different?

Look at the 2006 Cardinals. If you take away Pujols (not comparing Aram and Albert, just using it as a reference) they don’t make the playoffs. They won the World Series. While I think that Albert to the Cardinals means a lot more than Aram to the Cubs, I think losing Aramis (just one person) does awful things to the lineup.

Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.

by TCobb1911 on Jun 1, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I agree that it's bad

but Rami slumps too. Who is to say he wouldn’t have?

We can’t play shoulda been. I mean, we can, but what’s the point? If the team is so weak that one player makes the difference between a .500 ball club and winning the WS…

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you.

I’d love for it to not matter (obviously). But given Aramis’ track record and the way he started off he was going to have an average “Aramis year” worst case scenario.

Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.

by TCobb1911 on Jun 1, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ramirez should have the surgery...

I would agree. That particular surgery involves pulling a pectoral muscle and tendon over the shoulder. Recovery time is only two weeks longer than recovery for a first-time dislocation. I trust the Cubs medical staff informed Ramirez and management about this and they elected to stick to immobilization and physical therapy. I had this same scenario happen to me and I speak from experience. However, I was never a high-level athlete.

There is a high chance Ramirez’s shoulder will separate/dislocate again without surgery. I hope he is able to get back to his playing level. But he will forever favor that arm and his swing may be affected.

Just my $0.02.

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Jun 1, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Aramis is going to be a huge question for this season

While I’m fine on with the plan of treading water till he comes back, Aramis more than likely won’t be back until August. Then there is an adjustment period, and of course we have to wonder if his power will be what it was before the shoulder injury.

I’m no longer counting on Aramis coming back and being a savior, unlike Soriano missing so much time last season, Aramis injury could directly sap his power and ability to be the great run producer. Odds are he won’t be Aramis Ramirez again till next season.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jun 1, 2009 8:49 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

We’d be better served, I believe, to completely count him out for this year-anything we do happen to get from him is gravy.

by bluekoolaide on Jun 1, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately

I agree, shoulders and ripping the ball work hand in hand. Hendry has to find a hitter somewhere even with Ramirez coming back.

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Jun 1, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is a .500 ballclub playing to it's capability

Where is this magical “burst” going to come from?

What’s going to change the lineup situation to make the Cub offense a juggernaut?

- We don’t know when or if Aramis Ramirez is coming back, or whether he is going to be any good the rest of the year given the severity of his injury. Also, he is only one player.

- Alfonso Soriano remains the same old guess hitting hack who disappears for weeks on end and is wretched when the games count the most.

- Derrek Lee is an old broken down player trying to reinvent himself as a slap hitter (he’s Doug Mientiewicz at this stage).

- Mike Fontenot is a 200 at bat max player. And a ground ball to 3rd base qualifies for being a hit over his head in most circumstances.

- Bobby Scales and Andy White are two craptastic journeyman minor leaguers.

- Geovany Soto is fat with an insanely slow bat. What’s going to happen to him during the dog days of summer behind the plate?!?

- Kosuke and Ryan Theriot are complementary ballplayers giving this team all they have to give already.

And lest we forget that vaunted Cub bullpen. Absolutely terrible.

Awww, come on guys, it's so simple maybe you need a refresher course. It's all ball bearings ...

by BLou on Jun 1, 2009 8:53 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

For one

of the first times I agree. People will kill you for ledge jumping but its absolute fact when you look at it. IF you step away from the emotion of being a Cubs fan, what you just typed, is exactly whats happening. No one here should get reality and fact confused with ledge jumping.

Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.

by TCobb1911 on Jun 1, 2009 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well you are right about Soto

Him and Koyie Hill should be splitting time, as sad as it is to say Hill is the better power threat. I’m just about done with Soto.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jun 1, 2009 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And for the love of God lets PLEASE stop with the insistence that Jim Hendry has the okay to spend even more money

Jim Hendry is like a crack addict. He’s already been handed a whopping $136 million to dish out on 2009 payroll yet that STILL isn’t enough to make this a winning ballclub. Nope. Hendry needs to keep going back to his dealer and ask for another hit. “Look Sam and Crane, if you just give me another $10 million I can get this right…THIS TIME FOR SURE !!!!”

Bah humbug.

FIRE JIM HENDRY. And take Crane Kenney and Oneri Fleita with him.

Awww, come on guys, it's so simple maybe you need a refresher course. It's all ball bearings ...

by BLou on Jun 1, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

...and another thing

Can somebody kindly get Geovany Soto the name of Prince Fielder’s pants tailor. If you’re going to be a fat bastard out on the baseball field at least order from the Prince Fielder XXXXXXXL pants collection.

Awww, come on guys, it's so simple maybe you need a refresher course. It's all ball bearings ...

by BLou on Jun 1, 2009 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is a great rant

Hendry F’d up bad. It all started with the massive panic and the “need to get left handed”. Guys like Milton Bradley and RIch Harden should be luxury items, especially on a team with such a large payroll.

Harden is back to being that luxury item thanks to Randy Wells, but the loss of DeRo (I know, I know I’ll leave it alone now) cost us the chance to have Bradley be that luxury item.

How you can’t have a legitimate plan to backup a player who gets hurt almost every year is beyond me. With the exception of last season Aramis has always been good for a two week groin strain, Fontenot shouldn’t even be the fill in for that amount of time.

Now just wait til next year when these backloaded contracts start to take off.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jun 1, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You guys make me chuckle

while there is something that resembles truth in what you all are saying I don’t think it’s really this bad. Sure Soto gained some weight and he’ll lose it. Sure DLee hasn’t hit like we’re accustomed. We have injuries and Aram may take longer to get back. But we’re not totally inept like you suggest.

Starting pitching is a plus; relievers are showing progress; hitters WILL start hitting with more consistency. My glass is over half full.

The only negative I have is if another team rolls out ten wins in a row or 20 out of 25 in June putting us way out of the race. That’s out of our control, but I have comfort in our division being fairly equal with each team capable of winning streaks and losing streaks.

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on Jun 1, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anybody, somebody give me reason to have hope for Soto

I like the guy, and thought he would be our catcher for the next 5 years, but holy crap he has sucked this season. He has NO power. .272 Slugging for the season. I’m willing to be given hope, but as of right now I think he is nothing more than an 8 place hitter that mostly gets singles.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jun 1, 2009 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Return to Fat + No Power = Former Juicer Innuendo

I love it how some say Soto will lose the weight. When?!?!? The friggin baseball season is two months old and he is playing !!! It’s not like Soto is at home during the offseason watching Oprah with a box of jelly donuts by his side.

Awww, come on guys, it's so simple maybe you need a refresher course. It's all ball bearings ...

by BLou on Jun 1, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hear

Blue Mike buys his coke at the same place Manny gets his woman pills.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't buy the juicer thing

I think he let the success get to his head and thought he didn’t have to work as hard.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jun 1, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's almost

worse, IMO. These guys are supposed to be competitive, never take anything for granted kind of people. If this is true, and Geo stopped working as hard because he had “made it”, that is a serious flaw that he needs to correct if he wants to stick at this level as a starter.

"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg

by gwood on Jun 1, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't want to keep slamming him here

But I don’t see any other way you go from power hitting stud to singles hitting fat guy. Guys get lazy, it happens.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jun 1, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plenty of time for the training staff to work with him

Maybe they can fit that in after they finish bandaging the Gatorade machine.

by dr stabbingworth on Jun 1, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Plus, in terms of power, did anyone notice Russell Martin has 0 HR’s this year? Yes, his other numbers are above Soto’s, but most wouldn’t call him done despite his lack of power so far this year.

Will Soto rebound and get back to his old self? Who knows, I sure hope he does. But I think it’s a little early to write his career off at this point being barely into his second season. Let Hill get more playing time, if anything is an incentive to lose weight and get back in shape, that would be it.

When I began playing the game, baseball was about as gentlemanly as a kick in the crotch. -Ty Cobb

by SotoRiot on Jun 1, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's why I mentioned last week

that I think Henry Blanco was a big reason why Soto was great last year. He kept his head in the game, helped him with his hitting or something else that made Soto the force that he was last year. That was one of the main reasons I didn’t like seeing Blanco go. As good as Soto was last year, he’s still young and still needs outside help.

"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse

by BigJohnAZ on Jun 1, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sophomore Slump?

While I agree with the gaining of weight and I’m frustrated with the lack of production, guys hit the slumps in their second years. I think it happens with such regularity that it’s known around baseball as a ‘Sophomore Slump’

The man can handle our pitching staff with the best of them, and he is an above average defensive catcher. I am happy with that alone.

The bat WILL come around. We just need to remove the microscope. Just give it some time. People seem to be content to throw away and dismiss Geo’s career based off of 200 PA.

Chillax :)

Cubs Record since getting my MB Road Jersey: 3-1

by heine41 on Jun 1, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chillax

heh. My brother in law says that to his kids all the time. :D

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's ok

my BIL is an athletic director. The athletic kind. I’m sure if anyone tried to do that, they’d get what’s coming to them…

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kind of a

freaky Monday don’t ya think?

by sue369 on Jun 1, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

something

has set BM off his feed. Of all the people to not return to 2008 form…

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was due...

there is a reason that he’s been banned like six times before.

by SouthernCub on Jun 1, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's always hilarious when people overreact

I was kidding. Of course he shouldn’t be punched in the scrote, but Chillax is a damn annoying term, and if I heard it as much as his BIL apparently said it, I’d need to take a break from it.

“Violence solves everything”? settle down

by WanderingWanderer on Jun 1, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ack

I’m fine and I don’t need to be told to settle down. There are people on here who say players should be shot or injured so when you say stupid stuff like that makes it seem like you meant it. How were we suppose to know you were kidding?

by sue369 on Jun 1, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

People dismiss him because

Soto wasn’t a major prospect until 2007 when he suddenly started hitting for power. Before that he was a singles hitting defesive minded catcher. He had a two year stretch of great production, but his overall history hints at that stretch being more of a fluke than his current production.

As far as a Sophomore slump goes, Evan Longoria is in his second season and he isn’t slumping. Sophomore slump is just a nice way of saying the league caught up to you.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jun 1, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Evan Longoria

Thank you for completely dispelling the notion of the SS.

Longoria is the minority.

Yes, the league adjusts and catches up with you. Then it is up to the hitter to make the adjustment too.

I don’t buy the steroids notion with Soto.

And who cares if we have a defensive minded catcher to hit in the eight hole? It just sucks this year and stands out because our team was built with an offensive catcher in mind.

I don’t care if my catcher hits 5 or 25 home runs. Has 40 or 100 RBIs. I want him to handle my pitching staff (which is paramount), block balls in the dirt and throw out runners. Anything else is icing, IMHO.

Cubs Record since getting my MB Road Jersey: 3-1

by heine41 on Jun 1, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The whole point is Soto is supposed to be ELITE

Longoria was Soto’s fellow ROY last season. Soto is supposed to be an elite player who produces at the top level of catchers. To me it isn’t acceptable that he has turned into a singles hitting powerless catcher.

Part of what makes (or is supposed to make) this team so great is that Soto can have a .285/20/80 season at the bottom of the lineup. I can find you 10 catchers who can play good defense and hit .250. What Soto has become this season isn’t something you should accept because it isn’t icing, not the way this team is supposed to play.

If you just want a slap hitting catcher who can handle the staff and play defense then Koyie Hill can play everyday, at least he is somewhat of a power threat.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jun 1, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Soto is not Longoria

Give the man some time is all I’m saying. Until he turns it around (which I believe he will) I feel he makes his contribution to the team. I’m not going to be blinded by the “sexier” stat categories.

Cubs Record since getting my MB Road Jersey: 3-1

by heine41 on Jun 1, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Level of production based on position should be somewhat similar

I’m not asking Soto to produce Longoria numbers. I’m saying that Longoria is an elite third baseman. Soto should be an elite catcher, he isn’t close to that.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jun 1, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Currently

Cubs Record since getting my MB Road Jersey: 3-1

by heine41 on Jun 1, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Soto returns to elite production

It will involve probably one of the most epic power hitting streaks ever. I don’t see that happening.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jun 1, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are being short sighted.

The man has a CAREER ahead of him.

Cubs Record since getting my MB Road Jersey: 3-1

by heine41 on Jun 1, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps not as an elite catcher though

If you want to talk about his career, look at his career so far. It suggests a lot of slap hitting and back-up catching.

Not to mention the future means nothing to me. There is a great chance this team is screwed for a few years soon. Contracts will be escalating out of control and they all have no-trade clauses attached. This years Cubs team was presented as a win now team, and that is how I’m judging all the players. Win NOW. There is no thought of the future with the construction of this team, and that is something I think we all know deep down.

Soto’s career doesn’t mean a damn thing to me right now. What matters is he is supposed to be one of our best hitters, and supposed to be an elite catcher. He isn’t.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jun 1, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hi, I'm June 1st, nice to meet you.

Let’s not throw the season or team under the bus just yet. I can’t wait to talk with you in August.

Cubs Record since getting my MB Road Jersey: 3-1

by heine41 on Jun 1, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not throwing the season or the team under the bus

I’m throwing Soto’s worthlessness under the bus. He is the main offensive concern on the team right now, and his lack of power is killing us with Aramis out.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jun 1, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You should write him a letter and tell him how you feel

I’m sure he will agree that he needs to be stepping up in Aramis’ absence

Albert Pujols for Cubs Starting 1B in 2011

by heine41 on Jun 1, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

don't worry

once I get to Wrigley this season I’ll inform him of his uselessness.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jun 1, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then he can fly out weakly to center twice

strike out twice and continue to drag the offense down.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jun 1, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oops

Albert Pujols for Cubs Starting 1B in 2011

by heine41 on Jun 1, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Things are looking up!

H/AB 5/16
R 1
HR 0
RBI 2
BB 5
K 3
AVG. .313
OPS. .789

Albert Pujols for Cubs Starting 1B in 2011

by heine41 on Jun 1, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How much time?

Do you want? 50 games isn’t enough…is 100? 150? 162? Oops, season is over and we’re still waiting. Since you want to define the guy by how long he goes at it, what is the window you’re looking at to figure out if he’s going to hit in 2009?

Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?

by krummy12 on Jun 1, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Since when does being a ROY make you elite?

It just means you had a good rookie season.

Here’s a list of all ROY.

Yes there are some elite players, but there’s also a lot of guys who flamed out or were just ok. I don’t think you can look at the record and believe that the Rookie of the Year Award is some sort of guarentee that that player will be an “elite” player.

If you do, then the problem is in your expectations; not in the players failure to automatically live up to them.

by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 1, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Soto produced at an elite level for a catcher last season

I expected a bit of regression this year, but not a complete loss of power. Soto should be an elite catcher based on what he showed us last season, that is my expectation of him.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jun 1, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In fact

How many people here didn’t expect Soto to produce like an elite catcher? Going into the season how many people said “I’ll be happy with Soto is he plays good defense and hits around .260 for the season even if he doesn’t hit homers and doubles anymore.”

I don’t think anybody thought that.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jun 1, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My point...

is that you’re basing your expection of elite play on ONE season of production. Would you do that for any player who wasn’t a rookie? (Truth be told, you should do that LESS with a rookie, given that they don’t have a track record).

People could hope that Soto would produce at an equal level sure, but to have an expectation for that is ludicrious. The track-record of other ROY winners proves that…

by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 1, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think I was expecting around

.270-5/18-20/70-75 from him

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jun 1, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never expected

him to produce the same way. I dunno about being happy with .260.

I’d be a lot happier if he could at least throw runners out. But I think his problems are affecting both his hitting and his throwing.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

if every sophomore slumped

we’d just call it “their second year”.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Incorrect...

this is a much better than .500 team playing below its capability.

- Bradley has had a horrific start and is just coming into form now. That will help.

- Lee had the following stat line for May: .313/.397/.563 (.960 OPS). That doesn’t sound broken down to me. His improvements have gone un-noted by you, but they’ve happened. That will help.

- The bullpen WAS terrible, but has actually been much better of late. And it will get even better when Marshall joins it. Guzman/Marshall, Marmol, and Gregg are a solid foursome. Most teams don’t go deeper than four pitchers in terms of quality in the bullpen.

by SouthernCub on Jun 1, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's never accuse Blou of being a "ledge jumper"

You can’t jump when you start in the gutter. This is not a post about the problems of the team and how to fix them, it is a typical hate filled rant against all the players and personal he deems unworthy. His brilliant mind details uses facts and analysis to dissect these problems.
I think all you need to know about his attitude is that he refers to Lee as a “Chocolate” Mienkiewicz which someone has now edited out.
It should be left in so we know who Blou is.

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on Jun 1, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see " Chocolate Mienkiewicz "

is actually in the post below. Like I said this tells about who Blou is.

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on Jun 1, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sticking up for BLou overall here...

Because I think he’s being silly…

But “Chocolate Mienkiewicz” doesn’t really strike me as offensive. If someone called me “Vanilla ______” I wouldn’t be offended either.

by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 1, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's an ignorant remark regardless of who is or is not offended by it.

Whether or not you find it offensive is actually irrelevant. Do you think DLee might find it insulting? Possibly or he would probably just consider the ignorant source it came from. This type of denigration is really unnecessary and it’s become routine around here which rightly bothers a lot of the commenters.

by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jun 1, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's silly.

I don’t want to get into a whole discussion of race, but…

The intended insult is in comparing him to Mienkiewicz. The term “chocolate” (like “vanilla”) is a metaphoric adjective that describes a skin-tone. It has no underlying positive or negative value attached to it. It’s just a statement of fact. I have white skin or I have black skin.

If someone thinks that noting the presence of a particular skin color is somehow denigrating, then by definition they’re a racist. (I.e. saying “He’s white” or “He’s black,” as if there is an underlying negative meaning to that).

But again, saying “Chocolate Mienkiewicz” is saying he has the talent of Minkiewicz but is black. It would be no different than saying a “tall Mienkiewicz” because DLee is extremely tall.

(By the way, think of your logic there. it’s “irrelevent who or who is not offended?” That leads me to ask: In theory, if NO ONE was offended by it, would it still be ignorant? I would think not…)

by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 1, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you incapable of realizing that he was actually insulting Lee and referencing his ethnicity in the process?

I never said you should find it offensive just as you shouldn’t tell others it’s not offensive. I didn’t say it was racist I said it was denigrating. To say he could have called him a “tall Mienkiewicz” is also irrelevant because he didn’t, did he? He has gone out of his way to put players down and throw in remarks about their ethnicity as well, it’s a pattern of obnoxious behavior. If you don’t mind it fine but don’t tell others what they shouldn’t be bothered by. It’s an ignorant remark and there are obviously people here who were offended so saying you weren’t offended is irrelevant to others. Your logic seems to be that I don’t mind it, so, nobody else should. It doesn’t work that way.

by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jun 1, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can appreciate (in the literal sense) that you and others have apparently taken offense.

But in my initial post I made ZERO reference to anyone else whatsoever. I merely said that it didn’t offend me. So where you got the idea that I was telling everyone to go suck an egg if they were offended or something is beyond me…

But after of your response, I am in the end suggesting that people should not be offended by it and I tried to politely explain why. Is it your suggestion that in the event that someone (however rationally or irrationally) is offended by something, then we must all agree to refrain from it?

To answer your points…

I didn’t say you said it was racist. I said that if one thinks the mere mention of skin tone is ipso facto denigrating, then that would make them a racist, by definition. That’s not really debatable.

Again: the intended insult was calling him comparable to Mienkievicz. Just because that’s an insult doesn’t mean that every aspect of the comment is also intended as an insult. A “black Mienkievicz” isn’t any more insulting than “Mienkievicz” simply because the word black was included. It’s irrelevent to the insult.

If he had said—for example’s sake—that DLee was a “muscular, Chocolate Mienkievicz,” would you assume that “muscular” is also intended as an insult merely because it was included in the sentence? Surely we can agree that such a suggestion flies in the face of logic. (That BLou didn’t actually phrase it this way—or by saying “tall Mienkievicz”—is to miss the point. I’m using these as examples to illustrate why your perception of the comment is mistaken).

Look, if there was an actual racist remark made I’d be among the first in line to castigate the person for it. But my point was this wasn’t some racial remark. It was an ANTI-Mienkievicz remark (that was stupid, btw).

Taking racial/ethnic offense at the drop of a hat about something that wasn’t racially/ethnically bigoted just lowers our ability to be rightfully indignant about comments that actually deserve our indignation.

Anyway, this is the last I’ll comment on it, but as always I’m happy to read your if you feel it necessary.

by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 1, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for your permission to respond. Your initial post was telling someone that didn't like the comment that you don't find it offensive.

Your initial post was telling someone else that didn’t like the comment that you didn’t find it offensive. At the very least you were implying that because you don’t take offense, others shouldn’t. This is why I told you your opinion, that it isn’t offensive, isn’t relevant to others when they feel it’s offensive and/or ignorant. I’m certainly not trying to over-blow an ignorant remark into some assault against humanity just saying that it’s offensive to others whether you think it should be or not. I never said it was racist nor did I say you should find it offensive on the other hand you have attempted to defend and justify in order to get me to believe it wasn’t offensive. I’m not telling you how to think, and would appreciate that courtesy in return.

 I think it’s funny that you believe you know the intent of the insult even though you weren’t the one that made the insult. I don’t know if the insult intended to offend but it did. My perception isn’t mistaken simply because you disagree with me and your attempting to make analogies with non-race based descriptions isn’t apt. Calling someone tall or muscular in no way equates with calling them “chocolate.” Your comparisons are totally out of context with what was actually said. The remark wasn’t anti-Mienkievicz it was anti-DLee and he was the target of the marginalization not Mienkievicz.

 Would you go up to Derrek Lee’s face and tell him he’s a “chocolate Mienkievicz?” Part of the so-called guidelines around here state that you shouldn’t make remarks you wouldn’t make to someone’s face. At the very least that remark fails to meet the guidelines. Feel free to go ahead and tell me how I shouldn’t feel that way and I’m incorrectly perceiving the intent of the guidelines.

by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jun 1, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you dislike him so much, just stop responding to his posts

Look, I’ve said this before and nobody here listens: If you want to get rid of a troll, ignore them. But nobody does that. If anything, people here are so easily suckered into responding that the trolls receive a disproportionate amount of responses! This results in more trolling.

Christ, look at the game threads sometime. I’ll bet 300 Tricky Dick Fun Bucks that Clutche gets more responses than anyone here.

by dr stabbingworth on Jun 1, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are totally correct

and I still can’t help myself.

Sorry

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on Jun 1, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

DeWayne Wise of the White Sox returned this past weekend

I believe he had a similar injury to Aramis, seperated shoulder, which happened the first week of the season. That should give us some hope for a somewhat quick return for Aramis.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jun 1, 2009 9:16 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

and now I hear on the radio that he came back two weeks early

so nevermind.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jun 1, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK, even that...

… puts Wise out for a little over two months if he comes back on the original schedule. That should target Aramis for right after the All-Star break, which was the original schedule.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jun 1, 2009 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't like

a lot of the moves Hendry made this off-season, and I said so on BCB, but if the Cubs start hitting to their potential they will be fine. DLee is older, and has less power, but he has proved he can still hit for average. You would think eventually him, Soriano and Bradley will get their averages, and numbers closer to what we have seen throughout their careers. Now if they all have down years, the Cubs are in trouble.

Regarding Aram, I wish we knew more regarding his shoulder. I’m in the camp if it looks like he will have to have surgery, do it now and make sure he is healthy for next year, unless when he is coming back in July the Cubs are playing well and not treading around .500. If it looks like this season is going no where at that point, he better be healthy for the start of spring training next year.

Chicago Cubs baseball is on the air...

by slocs55 on Jun 1, 2009 9:24 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Derrek Lee, the chocalate Doug Mientkiewicz

Awww, come on guys, it's so simple maybe you need a refresher course. It's all ball bearings ...

by BLou on Jun 1, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

.313/.397/.563 in May...

yup, he’s broken down – never to have a decent stretch of baseball again.

by SouthernCub on Jun 1, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you want ice with your Cubbie Kool-Aid?

There are an awful lot of hoped for ocurrences that some of you are banking on. Way too many to be plausible. The only thing good about this ballclub is the starting pitching. Which is the only thing buy the way that is keeping us afloat at around .500. Without that rotation we would be in the league of the Cleveland Indians right now.

Awww, come on guys, it's so simple maybe you need a refresher course. It's all ball bearings ...

by BLou on Jun 1, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In the last 15 games, Lee has a .900 OPS

There’s no reason to believe so many Cubs will continue to hit so poorly. While you are resigned to the worst case scenario, it is more likely that most of the players will move closer to their average.

by dr stabbingworth on Jun 1, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't try to argue with Blue Mike.

He was presented with facts that contradicted his position, and he proceeded to ignore them.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jun 1, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

The only hitter in the lineup who there is legitimate belief that he will hit better than he is? Milton Bradley.

Soriano? He is doing what the guess hitting hack always does. Severe bouts of awfulness punctuated by hot streaks.

Theriot and Kosuke? Playing to their max capability in my book.

Lee? He has devolved into a punchless slap hitter and the 6th most vital 1st baseman in the National League Central.

Fontenot? I’m not going to defend a role player who is bizarrely expected to play every day.

Scales, Blanco? They don’t belong here.

Miles? Milk just came up through my nose !

Soto? Former roid boy is my assessment. Good luck in waiting for his revival tour.

Awww, come on guys, it's so simple maybe you need a refresher course. It's all ball bearings ...

by BLou on Jun 1, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lee's stats in may? .313/.397/.563...

those aren’t punch hitter stats. But please feel free to ignore facts and assume everyone is playing up to potential right now.

by SouthernCub on Jun 1, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fine

Derrek Lee is a strength of the Cubs right now !!!!

Awww, come on guys, it's so simple maybe you need a refresher course. It's all ball bearings ...

by BLou on Jun 1, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's your ability

to appreciate the subtlety and byplay in conversations that’s your real strength.

o.0

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That would be correct...

it may or may not REMAIN correct, but at the moment it is accurate.

Obviously he’s not likely to top .900 OPS the rest of the season. But .800+ along with Bradley’s revival will make this offense much better.

But why let things like this get in the way of an opportunity to be negative, right?

by SouthernCub on Jun 1, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

in BM's world

minor leaguers never belong in the majors. MLB players just magically appear out of the ether.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So he's really Brian Cashman?

This explains a lot.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 1, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can understand taking an unbiased assessment of the situation,

but you’re going too far the other way. I was at Thursday’s game and saw Lee hit 3 balls hard to the right center wall, 1 fell for a double. Sori has done something right to be approaching 300 hr’s and have a .280 career average. Blanco definitely belongs in the majors defensively.

So if you ask people to take a realistic look at the Cubs, make sure you are taking one yourself.

Chicago Cubs baseball is on the air...

by slocs55 on Jun 1, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're dealing with BLou though...

he deals in absolutes. There is no such thing as middle ground.

by SouthernCub on Jun 1, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Us?

Which position have you been playing lately? “Us”…that’s laughable.

Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?

by krummy12 on Jun 1, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No kool-aid here, and no "hoped for occurrences" either...

Those are factual stats regarding Lee in May. That’s not hope – that’s evidence.

Do you think Bradley will continue to hit in the .220s all year?

Do you not agree that Guzman/Marmol are terrific setup men, Gregg (7 of 8 in save opportunities) has been solid as closer, and Marshall will add a shot in the arm to the bullpen? We’re not throwing Cotts and Heilman out there in key situations, and Marmol has gotten on track. That was a big part of the suckage of the bullpen.

And the rotation has been great despite a slow start from Zambrano AND Harden’s injury. Even that part of the team should get better.

by SouthernCub on Jun 1, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And what I'm saying is that the ingredients are there to be a .500 type ballclub

Which is precisely the level of play this team has produced. No, I do not adhere to the belief that this 2009 club is a sleeping giant about to take off to great heights.

Awww, come on guys, it's so simple maybe you need a refresher course. It's all ball bearings ...

by BLou on Jun 1, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, you said this team is playing to its ability at .500...

which I said was inaccurate.

They’ve played to .500 quality to this point, but many players have underperformed. They are an above-.500 team in talent but have only played .500 quality to this point.

Almost nobody has overachieved to this point, while many have underperformed and several have been injured. Thus, I think things will get better.

by SouthernCub on Jun 1, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who has underperformed?!?

Who?!?

Soto?!? Pre 2007 he was a non-prospect. Then in 2007 he magically transforms his body and starts to hit. But now look at him and form your own conclusions. Look at his bat speed while you’re at it too.

Who else?!? Fontenot? A 29 year old middle infielder who was very selectively used in 2008?

Awww, come on guys, it's so simple maybe you need a refresher course. It's all ball bearings ...

by BLou on Jun 1, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its not even

his bat speed. Its his pitch selection and approach. He’s trying to pull everything and opposing pitchers are just camping out on the corner.

Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.

by TCobb1911 on Jun 1, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

(sigh) - we've discussed this already...

Lee underperformed in April. Bradley underperformed in April and May. You seem to refuse to consider them, but they are one third of our “big bats.”

Soto has a .278 AVG and .376 OBP in May. I agree that we won’t see the power, but a .360+ OBP from a bottom-half hitter ain’t bad.

Soriano has had his down month in May. He’ll have better months, as we all know. It comes and goes with him.

by SouthernCub on Jun 1, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And that's just the offense...

You’ve failed to note the slow start for Marmol (which has gotten better), Zambrano, and Harden.

by SouthernCub on Jun 1, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem with Soriano

Is that he seems to ‘pad’ his stats by hitting bad pitching, which we haven’t seen much of yet. While this will be good for dispatching teams like the Pirates and Nationals, it doesn’t bode well for the playoffs; see: 2007, 2008.

by dr stabbingworth on Jun 1, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He hits good pitching too...

Someone posted his stats against guys like Peavy, Sabathia, etc. They’re pretty good.

Soriano just is streaky. He can hit good pitchers well and he can look foolish against bad pitchers.

by SouthernCub on Jun 1, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wish I could find the post last year

Somebody analyzed the Cubs vs. each team’s top three pitchers. Soriano’s numbers were not so good, which is an issue in the playoffs when all you see are the three best pitchers.

by dr stabbingworth on Jun 1, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's hit or miss...

he has hit some of the best pitchers really well, and some of the worst pitchers pretty poorly.

by SouthernCub on Jun 1, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Soriano does hit good pitchers so please stop propigating that myth.

As I posted a couple of days ago here are Sori’s numbers against some decent pitchers that he has faced at least 10 times.

12-36, .333 avg vs. CC Sabathia
9-15, .600 avg vs. Kevin Brown
4-10, .400 avg vs. Jake Peavy
12-28, .429 avg vs. Chris Carpenter
13-35, .371 avg vs. Kelvim Escobar
10-24, .417 avg vs. Tom Glavine
6-17, .353 avg vs. Dan Haren
5-15, .333 avg vs. El Duque, Orlando Hernandez
11-27, .407 avg vs. Mark Mulder
11-36, .306 avg vs. Tim Wakefield
8-21, .381 avg vs. Dontrelle Willis
6-12, .500 avg vs. Andy Pettitte

There are some pretty decent pitchers on that list, some future Hall of Famers even, so can we end the, “Soriano can’t hit good pitchers,” remarks? He can hit good pitchers and he can fail against good pitchers. His career averages are not what they are because he’s only hit 4th and 5th starters.

by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jun 1, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Soriano

hits all kinds of pitching.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yep

and that’s who he is. Makes me crazy, but when he’s golfing pitches three inches off the dirt onto Waveland, everyone loves him.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

how quickly they forget

Cubs Record since getting my MB Road Jersey: 3-1

by heine41 on Jun 1, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like the guy

But he needs to do a little better than a .107 average in the playoffs this year. I don’t understand why a pitcher would throw him anything but sliders in the dirt.

by dr stabbingworth on Jun 1, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh

I agree. Actually, if you watch him, he’s batting better in general this year — more patience, more walks, more pokes into right field. He even lays off that slider in the dirt more.

He’s just slumping now.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If that means he will try to keep the winning WS ball

Fine with me.
Beyond that it it is offensive.

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on Jun 1, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please

It is not offensive or racist in the least bit. Political correctness run amok on your part.

Awww, come on guys, it's so simple maybe you need a refresher course. It's all ball bearings ...

by BLou on Jun 1, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, but it is offensive.

Do NOT make statements like this again.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jun 1, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lord, I apologize and please be there with the pygmies down there in New Guinea

Awww, come on guys, it's so simple maybe you need a refresher course. It's all ball bearings ...

by BLou on Jun 1, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

An apology with another insult.

Amazing.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jun 1, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I apologize for plagiarizing Larry the Cable Guy

Awww, come on guys, it's so simple maybe you need a refresher course. It's all ball bearings ...

by BLou on Jun 1, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know it's your site Al...

So we do and will go by your rules. But as I noted above, that strikes me like we’re making something offensive that shouldn’t be.

by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 1, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

just because you're not offended

doesn’t make it not offensive. BLou has a track-record, and it’s not a good one.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Acapulco made that point to me above...

While I understand the implicit logic in that, the reverse corrollary can be just as true: That someone takes offense to something doesn’t mean that it was (objectively) offensive by community standards.

I get that BLou has a record of some kind (you and I have politely discussed it before). That doesn’t mean that his comment was therefore racially offensive though.

by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 1, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

trust me

calling a black man “Chocolate [something]” is offensive by most community standards.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As a fellow black man, I concur.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 1, 2009 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

flagged as inappropriate

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Priceless

Say Drewish, did you put me on double-secret probation too ?!? Nuttier than squirrel excrement.

Awww, come on guys, it's so simple maybe you need a refresher course. It's all ball bearings ...

by BLou on Jun 1, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

did Grandma make you mow the lawn yesterday?

you’re very testy.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

flagged as offensive

Awww, come on guys, it's so simple maybe you need a refresher course. It's all ball bearings ...

by BLou on Jun 1, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That'd be tough...

considering offensive is not an option when flagging a comment.

After this and his outburst the other day (dropping a profanity-laced sand comment again), I’d imagine he’s walking a fine line to getting banned once again. His meltdown is coming.

Free Ronny Cedeno

by Kansas25 on Jun 1, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BLOU EXPOSED!

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LMAO at the magazine cover.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jun 1, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

very well played :)

Linus: Life is rarely all one way, Charlie Brown. You win some, you lose some. Charlie Brown: Really? Gee, that'd be neat.

by CyberCyclist on Jun 2, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are ignorant and insulting... on top of that you can't even spell chocolate.

I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...

by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 1, 2009 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

I didn’t even notice that…

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't believe that there was actually a discussion...

As to whether or not calling someone a “chocolate” anything was offensive or not. Trust me, it is offensive. In some areas of the country, (like Gary, IN), calling the wrong black man that would get you hurt in a bad way…

I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...

by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 1, 2009 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Obviously a lot of people thought that I'm wrong...

So I take that into consideration in how I think about it.

But 1) As far as I know, it’s not like there’s a lengthy history of “chocolate” being used as an epiphet, 2) With that in mind, I don’t see why it would be any more offensive that referring to a white guy as “Vanilla” (such as Jason “White Chocolate” Williams, for example). and 3) The Black community has used the term as a non-offensive synonym for “black” for soem tiem. (And of course, less seriously, this video was all the rage for a while.) :)

by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 1, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As I said though...

Obviously a number of people assure me it is offensive, so perhaps I was wrong.

by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 1, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It skirts a line we really don't need to go to. Referring to Lee's race was unecessary. It had

nothing to do with the argument and only brings in sentiment that doesn’t need to be here. Speaking as a black man who has actually lived in a black community, i can tell you that it can be offensive. Although I appreciate your vast knowledge of what is and what isn’t an insult in the black community. There are many terms, which I won’t go into, that black people use when describing other black people, that I find offensive. People seem to believe it’s OK if one black person says it to another. I do not. And believe me, if a white person used it it would be considered an insult. BLou says things like that all of the time. He shouts fire in a crowd and wondeers why everyone starts running. It’s silly and we really don’t need to get into these types of discussions here.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 1, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't mean to come off as if I'm the expert on the black community.

So apologies. I meant that that was what my friends (who are black) had told me.

by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 1, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't worry about it. I was just bustin' chops.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 1, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Part of the problem is referring to the "black community"...

As if there is some collective mindset that is unique only to black people. Trust me, there isn’t such a thing. People are people. I have lived in predominantly black populations for a good portion of my life, and I have never heard the term chocolate used to describe another black person; not once. As a matter of fact, when Ray Nagin referred to New Orleans as Chocolate City in the wake of Katrina, I know a lot of people who were offended.

I have however been called whitey and cracker, and it is offensive, it’s not a term of endearment by any stretch. I would take vanilla in the same way.

I’m not trying to come down on you, and I can see that you are reconsidering your viewpoint on this issue. Bringing someone’s race into play, when it is not necessary, is hardly ever an innocent mistake, on the contrary it is meant to derisive.

I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...

by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 1, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Twitter and Facebook

Ironically as one of the first people to jump on the blogging bandwagon I probably will be the last person on earth to get a twitter account.

And I just signed up for Facebook. Mostly to follow 3 wedding plans and 2 babies on the way of family and or/friends. (and thank God with all the showers and such NO CONFLICTS!)

Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.

by cubstoseriesby100 on Jun 1, 2009 9:27 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

facebook is

essentially mass Twitter.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, Twitter is mass Facebook.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jun 1, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's so zen.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What I think is missing from the positive analysis side is...

not related to where we are trending relative to last year or how many games are left in the season. How the Cubs trend relative to last year is irrelevant in my opinion. What I’d find most optimistic regarding the remainder of the year is that you have several very good offensive players (say what you want about DLee but he’s a good hitter) that have woefully underperformed to date and in my opinion the law of averages will see guys like Fontenot, Bradley, Lee and even Soriano (whose average is way down lately) get hot at some point as Reed Johnson has done.

Soto to me is the main offensive concern. He is have a LOT of very bad at bats and he is just not the same player right now.

by BeltwayCubsFan on Jun 1, 2009 9:48 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

HIs defense and ability to throw runners out has suffered as well. Teams seem to be able to run at will against him.

If he is injured they need to DL him and play Hill who is actually better behind the plate than he is right now.

by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jun 1, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I will agree with you Al

for the most part – except: “[Johnson] made an ill-advised dash to the plate…”

At the time, with Hoffman flat on his stomach, it was a calculated decent risk – light hitting Fonty, and the pitcher were coming up, and the throw/catch/tag needed to be perfect.

GREAT throw, and Russel Martin is MONEY. I wish we had him.

Reed Johnson was the MVP of the series. DLEE only has “warning track power” anymore, I am afraid – sigh -

by The E-Man on Jun 1, 2009 9:48 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I wish we had Matt Wieters !!

Memo to Tim Wilkens:

When hired by a franchise in “win-now” mode and with wretched history of drafting players out of high school, best advice is to use you high-round pick on the closest sure-thing and near ready major league ballplayer !!!.

Thanks,

Awww, come on guys, it's so simple maybe you need a refresher course. It's all ball bearings ...

by BLou on Jun 1, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BLou - Orioles picked

before the Cubs that year IIRC -

BEsides – Vitters is gonna be just fine.

by The E-Man on Jun 1, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Worth noting

Josh Donaldson is progressing nicely for the A’s but of course the Cubs traded him for some oft injured guy who often has no control when he does pitch. Oh I forgot that was the guy you said would save the Cubs.

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on Jun 1, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Harden was 5-1 with a .972 WHIP last year for the Cubs

Josh Donaldson was finally promoted to AA for the first time this year.

by dr stabbingworth on Jun 1, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can't fault the Cubs for that trade

Harden will be some other teams problem next season, and hopefully that is the last time a “great stuff when he is healthy” guy is on the cubs.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jun 1, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't fault them

Just that Blou loves to attack everyone as crappy and injury prone but somehow never mentions his obsession, Harden.

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on Jun 1, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let me guess...

Rich Harden refused to sign your autograph book. You have an awful lot of hatred in your veins for many things Cubs (Piniella, Harden). But we can’t call you out on it because that would be violation of the hypocrite oath that you are the center of around here. So instead we need to listen to a middle age stalker of Greg Maddux preach to some of us on how we are ledge-jumpers and hate mongerers.

Awww, come on guys, it's so simple maybe you need a refresher course. It's all ball bearings ...

by BLou on Jun 1, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

sigh.

flagged as inappropriate. It’s not right to personally attack people.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm no fan of Blou

his chiding someone on how they should mourn a death was an all-time eyebrow raising display of ego, but I’ve seen Not Bruce Froemming do nothing BUT personal attacks on this site, have you flagged him as well?

by WanderingWanderer on Jun 1, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sometimes, yes

But usually, NBF will at least acknowledge what he said. Blou does none of that.

by Allie on Jun 1, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

if by acknowledge

you mean he claims “they” deserved the personal attacks, then yes

by WanderingWanderer on Jun 1, 2009 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have in the past

not every time. But then, I don’t flag Blue Mike every time (I’d be very busy if I did that).

However, I see a difference.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thai food again?

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 1, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

mmm

Thai…

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol, not what I had in mind

But, you’re actually not far from the truth.

by Tate491 on Jun 1, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Warning track power against the wind...

Remember – the wind was blowing in. And Lee did have 4 HR this month and a .960 OPS in only 64 AB.

by SouthernCub on Jun 1, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wind was not blowing in to

left or center. Slightly to right.

I was there.

It didn’t bother KEnt.

Indeed you are correct that he did crank it up a notch in May – I hope it keeps improving. The team cannot thrive without A-Ram and no one else stepping up.

by The E-Man on Jun 1, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt it'll be better than May for Lee...

If you are expecting BETTER than a .960 OPS, you’re going to be disappointed. Very few players this side of Albert Pujols top that kind statline.

I think Lee will settle into the .850 OPS range. The power will be in the 20 HR range.

I also think we’re seeing the re-emergence of Milton Bradley. Hopefully he stays healthy enough for us to enjoy it.

by SouthernCub on Jun 1, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep. Bradley

Had a really nice game (’cept for the baserunning gaffe) Saturday.

AND – he drops down a bunt every now and then!

lol

How many power hitters do you see do that?

by The E-Man on Jun 1, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was surprising to say the least...

Especially given his injury history.

We’re going to need Bradley to heat up (which appears to be happening) and Soriano to hit one of his hot stretches.

by SouthernCub on Jun 1, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And if that happens...

watch out, especially if Lee continues to hit. If the Cubs offense ever clicks into gear (like it was for most of last season), then this team can reel off a significant winning streak or 20 out of 25 wins, as long as the pitching remains strong.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Jun 1, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lee isn't the problem

The problem is depending on a group of light hitting minor league players to replace your main RBI guy.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jun 1, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed -

It just is not going to happen -

BUT Jake Fox will be the DH in the AL Games!

by The E-Man on Jun 1, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That ball wasn't that far past the infield.

Johnson should have stayed put.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jun 1, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well - I'll agree to disagree

mid – RF

Play happened right in front of me.

Under the circumstances – not a terrible risk. Bradley’s was much worse Saturday.

by The E-Man on Jun 1, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was sitting right there too.

And he fell down. It was simply a great play.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Jun 1, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wondered

if Johnson got a late start from third or wasn’t running well, because it looked like it should have been a closer play than it was. I did see him looking to left field a couple times while running, which probably didn’t help.

DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Jun 1, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Reed Johnson has fantastic instincts. Gotta trust his judgment on that one, especially with some bad hitters behind him.

by dr stabbingworth on Jun 1, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The fact he got thrown out at home after the fielder fell down tells you he shouldn't have gone.

If Reed’s “instincts” were so good he wouldn’t have been out. It was an easy out at home which serves as proof that it was terrible judgment for him to run. I also blame Quade for not holding him at third. It’s inexcusable to get the third out at home when your team is down by 5. That’s just bad baseball. You are entitled to like Johnson and I do but that was a horrific base running error.

by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jun 1, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

was it an easy out?

I didn’t see it; Pat and Ron seemed to think that Hoffman (?) made an amazing play.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hoffman was very shallow and made a nice throw but it wasn't an amazing defensive play by any means.

Martin caught the ball and was waiting on Johnson to get to the plate. It was a very poor decision by Johnson to run because the fielder was so shallow. I would also say that Johnson’s only chance to score would have been to run through Martin and hope he dropped the ball but Johnson slid in feet first. Martin had the plate blocked and Johnson had zero chance of sliding in safe. I also think it’s magnified by the fact it was the 3rd out and his team was down by 5 not a smart decision. Unfortunately when a team is struggling offensively base running blunders seem to have more impact.

by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jun 1, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just throwin' it out there...

…do you think that Hendry would ever make a move if there was a big time OF stick available and move Sori to 2nd if times got real desperate?

Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.

by TCobb1911 on Jun 1, 2009 9:57 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

As a trade only -

It is debatable if there is any financial commitment to acquire anybody with the Ricketts/Zell mess…

by The E-Man on Jun 1, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Precisely HOW MUCH MONEY do you want Jim Hendry to spend???

The silver bullet solution to all the Cub woes is the pat answer by some of you that Hendry has even more money to go out and spend and that will be this team’s resurrection.

The payroll is already loaded with very many bad contracts and sits at $136 million. Meanwhile the new hoped for owner is taking on a debt load of $450 million to purchase the Cubs. Yet it is insisted that Hendry can keep spending and spending and spending until he finally gets this thing right?!?

Awww, come on guys, it's so simple maybe you need a refresher course. It's all ball bearings ...

by BLou on Jun 1, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no

DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Jun 1, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So Lou

for some strange reason told Marshall BEFORE his start that he was going to the bullpen, despite him being arguably our most effective starter, then AFTER he has a terrible outing he says he’s going to give him another start Friday?

I don’t get that.

Also, I don’t think there will be any big acquisitions. Hendry’s habit of backloading contracts is starting to bite him in the butt, as we have a 135 million dollar payroll, but a 100 million dollar team. No big contract on the team is tradeable, and I don’t think he can take on significant salary without dropping something comparable (as he did this off-season to bring on Bradley).

DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Jun 1, 2009 10:05 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't see the conflict in statements here...

Piniella probably said “you’re going back to the bullpen once Harden is healthy.” Thus, there are a couple more starts to be had.

That extra start on Friday was probably in the equation all along.

by SouthernCub on Jun 1, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

this makes the most sense

although I still wish Marshall was staying in.

Of course, who knows if Harden actually comes off the DL? Anyone have an update on him?

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marshall to the pen is the right move

Marshall is needed in that pen big time. And he partially solves the lefty dilemma in the pen. But it’s funny how some of you are already lining up to attack the living daylights out of Piniella on this move.

Awww, come on guys, it's so simple maybe you need a refresher course. It's all ball bearings ...

by BLou on Jun 1, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

but not

the night before? Or the night before that?

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well the Cubs won those games

So how could it remind you of a playoff game?

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jun 1, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

heh

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think drew's point is that....

to some people here the cubs record looks like: L L – - L – L L – - – - L L L L – - – - – L -

Instead of : LLWWLWLLWWWWLLLLWWWWWLW

Cubs Record since getting my MB Road Jersey: 3-1

by heine41 on Jun 1, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

oooh!

that’s a very good way of putting it. I may use that again. :D

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well that is no way to look at it

we never win that way.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jun 1, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just feel that some people don't have anything to talk about on here if the Cubs are winning

You take the good WITH the bad, and vice versa.

Plus, no rain, no rainbows :)

Cubs Record since getting my MB Road Jersey: 3-1

by heine41 on Jun 1, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's so true.

If the Cubs are playing like crap, you can be sure that 10 new fan posts will be started to discuss that. But not the other way around. So unfortunately I’ve learnd just to avoid BCB during those times.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Jun 1, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha well then that makes you fair-weathered :-P

Albert Pujols for Cubs Starting 1B in 2011

by heine41 on Jun 1, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair weather BCB'er, maybe.

But another big reason is because since moving to Chicago, I actually attend games rather than sit in the game threads. So far I’ve been to 10 games through two months…not sure if you’d call that fair weathered!

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Jun 1, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was BEYOND kidding of course

I was in no way questioning your loyalty.

Just commenting on how irratating the boards can get here when we are losing

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by heine41 on Jun 1, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

now I'm jealous

by this point in the season last year, I’d gone to at least two or three games. Still waiting for my first.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've made it to 3 so far

About my normal pace living in Central Illinois

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by heine41 on Jun 1, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've been incredibly lucky so far.

Last year I went to 10 games…total

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Jun 1, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Edward Tufte would be proud

That is a nice information display.

by dr stabbingworth on Jun 1, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol thanks

School is making me learned

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by heine41 on Jun 1, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm really tired of the ledge-jumper vs. non-ledge-jumper debates

I’m sure I’m not the only one.

There are a lot of things to be optimistic about. I was stunned when I saw the Cubs finished May with a winning record despite the losing streak. The bullpen is looking better, the starters have been good and Lee, Bradley, Fontenot and Johnson seem to be hitting better.

Soto is the main concern, IMO. I think Koyie Hill should get more playing time.

by elgato on Jun 1, 2009 11:04 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed about the debate.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Jun 1, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not about Soto?

If there’s any reason to be optimistic about Soto that I haven’t considered, I’d love to hear it. And I mean that sincerely.

by elgato on Jun 1, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Soto is done

We will be lucky to get .250/10/50 out of him this season, which is just pathetic considering what he should be doing.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jun 1, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

.278/.376/.354 in May...

The power numbers were the only thing missing from his month, but those are pretty good offensive numbers for a catcher.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see the power not return. But the guy has been hitting well in May otherwise.

by SouthernCub on Jun 1, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My point about Soto is

His power is very important to this offense, without it he isn’t anything special.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jun 1, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with that...

Without the power, he becomes a Mike Scioscia type of catcher – solid defensively but unimpressive offensively.

His OBP skills are still pretty good though. But the power is what made him an All-Star. Without it, he doesn’t stand out.

by SouthernCub on Jun 1, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure he is aware and EVEN MORE frustrated with his lack of production than we are.

It’s hard to break out of slumps when you are a catcher, many many many more responsibilities than other position players.

He’ll bounce back

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by heine41 on Jun 1, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just don't see anything ...

that indicates you’re right, though I agree with your qualifiers about catchers.

I like Geo (he’s my girlfriend’s favorite player, FWIW). And players can break out of slumps at any time, of course. I just don’t see any reason, at this moment, to predict that he’ll bounce back.

by elgato on Jun 1, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not saying it will be next week, next month or by October

The optimist in me just feels he will not blow for the rest of my life

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by heine41 on Jun 1, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

god, me too :)

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by heine41 on Jun 1, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh no, scroll up.

I was saying the same thing about Soto above. I’m seriously worried about him. I was just specifically responding to the debate comment. I come on here to discuss the Cubs, not to watch personality battles.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Jun 1, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gotta say I'd agree, too

.250BA/12-15 HR is about it.

Unfortunately, he’s coming up with RISP and just failing miserably so far after 2 months.

And – his throws yesterday were Kendall-like. Ugh!

by The E-Man on Jun 1, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It sure seems like ...

Soto has failed to drive in more runners this season than any other Cub. But I have no stats to back that up.

The Ramirez injury seems to have overexposed Geo at a bad time. Instead of struggling in the seventh or eighth hole, he’s often hitting — and not driving in runs — in the sixth spot.

Oh, and if stats completely destroy these points, I apologize. :)

by elgato on Jun 1, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Soto has driven in runs in 14.7% of his chances

which is better than Miles, Freel, Blanco, and Gathright.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jun 1, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not great company

And I’d imagine that Geo’s had more chances than those guys, especially Gathright and Blanco.

by elgato on Jun 1, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Jun 1, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In his defense

Soriano is right above him at 15.3%. Dome leads with 31.9%, Aramis with 29.3%.

Still it would be nice for our ROY supposed superstar catcher to drive in more runs.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jun 1, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

also ...

Soto’s in more of an RBI spot than Dome (who platoons), Sori (who leads off) and Aramis (who would be our big RBI guy if he was healthy).

My GUESS is that Soto has had more chances than any of the other three.

by elgato on Jun 1, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's closer than you'd think...

Soto has 49 PA with RISP. Soriano has 44.

by SouthernCub on Jun 1, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

in the first 2 months of the '09 season

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by heine41 on Jun 1, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm going to guess lower on the power numbers...

and slightly higher on the average. I think he’ll end up around .260 for the average (hitting .275 the rest of the way like he did in May), but with 5-10 HR.

by SouthernCub on Jun 1, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looked it up

Soto – in 39 AB’s with RISP, he is batting a robust .205

An OPS of .565

That SUCKS

by The E-Man on Jun 1, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm assuming that was meant to be a reply elsewhere...

otherwise, non sequitur.

But yes – so far this season he has not hit well with RISP. He’s also not hit well overall. That .205/.360/.205 corresponds to a large degree with the .216/.336/.272 numbers he’s posted for the season.

When you are struggling overall, you can expect to be struggling with RISP as well.

by SouthernCub on Jun 1, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Might as well work Fox out back there too.

Given how Soto was throwing the ball to second yesterday, I wonder if his shoulder is still bothering him. If it wasn’t, don’t bother with Fox, but he’s caught since he was 10 – I’m sure he hasn’t forgotten how to do it.

I don’t think he could be much worse than Soto is right now, and if indeed Soto is hurting, maybe a DL stint wouldn’t hurt. Then start Hill with Fox backing him up.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Jun 1, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder how the pitchers would respond to Fox

Soto probably will get a longer leash because of his game-calling skills.

by elgato on Jun 1, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've been wondering that about his shoulder too

Considering the amount of abuse a catcher takes, he may not be completely healthy till next year (if that is the case).

by chitownhawkeye on Jun 1, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fukudome

in contrast to Soto -

26 AB’s with RISP – .423BA with a 1200+ OPS

by The E-Man on Jun 1, 2009 11:37 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nor would I

HAd Lou or Hendry – Mark DeRosa would be on the team, and we’d be all bubbly about the first place Cubs. lol

by The E-Man on Jun 1, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

re: payroll and DeRosa

The argument’s been made a few times that keeping DeRosa and signing Bradley would have been possible without the signing of Miles, Gathright, etc. But here’s a point that I haven’t seen made on this site:

Should the Cubs have re-signed Dempster for $13 million a year for four years? That’s a lot of money the Cubs could have used to keep DeRosa, among other possible moves.

by elgato on Jun 1, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Dempster signing was (and still is) highly debatable...

He was paid handsomely for one fantastic year, in spite of a history of being mediocre or bad.

Hopefully, he gets the ERA under 4 and makes the deal seem reasonable. But it’s very possible that he was overpaid this offseason, and that that payroll could have been used to keep DeRosa for another year (or find a suitable replacement) and fill in holes in the bullpen.

Let’s hope he gets it back on track.

by SouthernCub on Jun 1, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

frankly ...

I hope Dempster ends the year with better numbers than Marquis, for Hendry’s sake.

by elgato on Jun 1, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I suspect that he will...

Marquis has generally been a fast starter who fades in the second half. But we’ll see.

That said, I was okay with getting rid of Marquis.

by SouthernCub on Jun 1, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Meeee tooooo

Too many cardinals hanging around our club the last 3 years

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by heine41 on Jun 1, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Cardinal thing had nothing to do with it for me...

I was fine with what Edmonds wound up doing for us last year, and I’d be fine with Wainright, Carpenter, or Pujols on the team.

But Marquis was just a mediocre pitcher, and saving $5 million on him was worth it when we had much cheaper alternatives.

by SouthernCub on Jun 1, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

But Marquis was a cheaper option than Dempster.

by elgato on Jun 1, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, assuming Dempster remains mediocre...

I would have been okay with keeping Marquis if Dempster remains a 4.50-5.00 ERA guy.

by SouthernCub on Jun 1, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I.E. Kerry Wood

My dad and I joke about having just that ‘one good day at work’ and to get myself PAID!

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by heine41 on Jun 1, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

based on Wood's numbers

… and his injury history, I think the Cubs made the right call on Wood. And he was my favorite Cub, FTR. I wish the Cubs had taken a harder look at Orlando Hudson (though signing him would have made a DeRosa trade necessary).

by elgato on Jun 1, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just saying, he struck out 20 guys as a Rook

and was pretty much set for life. yes I know he won a bunch of games as well

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by heine41 on Jun 1, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not sure I understand your point ...

“and was pretty much set for life”?

Are you saying he should have accepted less money? Because that’s a different argument.

by elgato on Jun 1, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree on Wood...

the guy was going to be expensive, and he was/is a big injury risk.

I wouldn’t have traded for Gregg, who I think isn’t really an upgrade over a guy like Wuertz. But I was okay with not overpaying for Wood.

by SouthernCub on Jun 1, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or possibly trading for Gregg and keeping Wuertz.

Not sure why Hendry traded Wuertz and is willing to waste a roster spot on Patton. Not a good decision. Not to mention if you had kept Wuertz you wouldn’t have had to trade Cedeno to get Heilman. Cedeno would have been a much better cost controlled option as a back up infielder than Aaron Miles. Cedeno can actually back up 3rd, SS and 2nd unlike Miles.

by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jun 1, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me neither

He’s been good thus far.

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Jun 1, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and how ready was everyone ready to ship Dome out for a bag of balls last year.

We just got to be patient people

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by heine41 on Jun 1, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll eat crow about that one

ON THE RECORD: I, Jose Manuel Hernandez Lagunes, aka “chilango2,” was wrong about Kosuke Fukudome.

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Jun 1, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

THIS IS A MODEL CITIZEN RIGHT HERE!!!!

+198723 BCB Points

Now go buy your momma something nice

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by heine41 on Jun 1, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't even know if you were wrong

He hit really well in April & May last year. Lets see how he continues to adjust as the season goes on.

He’s been great… but there is a LOT of season left.

by Allie on Jun 1, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

:(

In the interests of ending that thought with a positive comment to ensure no jinx occurs…

“…but I’m very confident that Fukudome will win the triple crown this year.”

:)

by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 1, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dome was hitting .298 at the end of May last year

he’s hitting .308 at the end of May this year. I’m with Allie, the crow eating can commence if he puts together a good June, July, August, and September.

He was actually more consistent last year in April and May as well, hitting .305 in April and .293 in May last year, compared to .323 in April this year, and only .277 in May

I certainly hope that doesn’t mean he’s trending back downwards, because if his bat continues to regress, and it bottoms out before someone else in the lineup heats up, we’re in real trouble

by WanderingWanderer on Jun 1, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

one has nothing to do with the other

the other conversation was whether or not Hendry put a good team together. That was completely based on who the best player, coming into this season was for this team. I couldn’t know how Bradley’s season was going to go, and I still wasn’t overly excited about him, because his career has been pretty mediocre. Also a contributing factor was signing a player who is oft-injured to a three year deal, that will have him 35 years old when the contract is up

This discussion is about whether people were “wrong” about Dome. To answer that question of course you have to wait and see how he finishes the year.

by WanderingWanderer on Jun 2, 2009 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

because his career has been pretty mediocre

He’s got a career OPS of .823. And most importantly, here’s his Postseason line:

.310 .383 .667 1.050

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 2, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My point here is if you can't judge Fukudome now then you shouldn't judge Bradley now either. Be consistent.

Bradley has not been a mediocre player as Drew points out. The other problem with your argument is you keep mentioning Bradley’s age even though at the end of his deal he will still be younger than Abreu or Ibanez are right now.

by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jun 2, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

I didn’t think he was a bust, personally. Just thought he was going to perform in the .260-.270 range with a high-.300’s OBP consistently. And he for sure was a plus fielder even when his bat failed him.

by The E-Man on Jun 1, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think we'll see him settle into the .270-.280/.380-.400/.400-.420 range...

His May stat line was .277/.415/.415. That seems about right – maybe a bit lower in OBP.

I figured he’d be a .780-.820 OPS guy. I think he’ll end up around .850 in OPS for the season this year thanks to the great April.

by SouthernCub on Jun 1, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I think most would agree with you

I just know that even I as a average joe go through rough patches in life. But I turn it around.

I can imagine the same thing happens to a ballplayer at the plate

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by heine41 on Jun 1, 2009 11:48 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Quick Bobby Scales quest for 5 hits update

He has 3 of the 5 needed, including a clutch pinch hit homer.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jun 1, 2009 12:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Can he play catcher?

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 1, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bobby's gonna get Nancy Kerriganed

Watch out for dark, sandy tunnels, Bobby!

by dr stabbingworth on Jun 1, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is that a "verb" you coined?

He was “Kerriganed”? lol

“Kerriganed”: v. to be hit upon the kneecap before a competition takes place, causing the party to have to sit the event out…"

by The E-Man on Jun 1, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bobby Scales fever returns !!!!

Two weeks ago there were 492 separate threads devoted to this outstanding find and how the Cubs had stashed in the system a cross between Ron Santo and Mike Schmidt that Lou Piniella was too senile to realize.

Awww, come on guys, it's so simple maybe you need a refresher course. It's all ball bearings ...

by BLou on Jun 1, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't get mad...

You’re did make an outrageous statement, even though I agree that he’s being overrated by some on this board.

by SouthernCub on Jun 1, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's a decent

back up. But he’s not some bottom feeder, either.

Some people can’t just enjoy the story…

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed...

It’s nice that he’s getting his moment and he’s taken advantage of it. I don’t see him being much more than a AAAA player.

But at the same time, it was silly to say he’d not get 5 more hits as a Cub.

by SouthernCub on Jun 1, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's also

VERY likable, seen as replacing Aaron Miles who has become NOT likable. Scales is a storybook right now — high minor leagues for years, gutting it out every season, always putting off the decision to quit, substitute teacher in the offseason…

He probably won’t stick, although I think he’d be a great fifth infielder on the bench. But he’s something people can feel good about.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and like you said

he isn’t aaron miles- which means I love him. Nothing wrong with liking a guy who clearly loves the game of baseball. Especially with the A-Rods and Mannys of the world running around.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jun 1, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't have a problem

“liking” Aaron Miles as a person I suppose, but its not his fault that Hendry completely overpaid for his mediocre skills and our manager is not Tony LaRussa.

by The E-Man on Jun 1, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My problem with Miles

Is exactly what you said isn’t is fault, and I know it isn’t his fault, but I still blame him and hate him for that.

Also he is still a Cardinal in my mind, and unlike Edmonds who came over and started bashing them right away, Miles still loves those little Redbird bastards.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jun 1, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope you're joking...

because otherwise, I think that’s a terrible rationale for disliking Miles.

Disliking him because he’s an unproductive player who can only play 2B would be fine. But saying he’s a Cardinal? Silly. I’d take Pujols in a heartbeat. He could go have dinner with the Cards every night, wear a Cardinals tee-shirt to post-game interviews, and if he hit a 1.000+ OPS for us I’d be just fine with it.

by SouthernCub on Jun 1, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It all goes back to his lack of production and inability

to be good at baseball. The being BFFs with all his redbird buddies doesn’t help. If he OPS’d 1.000 then I would love him, but since he is unable to play baseball at a major league level, he shouldn’t be friends with the enemy.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jun 1, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Disagree with the last sentence...

what you really hate his is lack of production. I think it’s petty to be annoyed by his friendships when all you really care about is his productivity.

by SouthernCub on Jun 1, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

Hey everybody, Bobby Scales is “VERY likable” and that is why we should like him !!!!!! And based on Drewish’s inside sources Aaron Miles is “NOT likable.”

If only Peter Gammons could report like this !!!! Thanks Drewish !!!!!

Awww, come on guys, it's so simple maybe you need a refresher course. It's all ball bearings ...

by BLou on Jun 1, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I get

that you don’t understand it. It’s a little sad, actually…

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, no, no....no revisionist comments here ladies and gentlemen

Bobby Scales was defined in very different terms around here a few weeks ago. And those few of us who called out b.s. were lambasted.

Awww, come on guys, it's so simple maybe you need a refresher course. It's all ball bearings ...

by BLou on Jun 1, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've never said Scales was anything more than what he is...

You paint with an oversized broad brush, BLou. If one person says Scales is the answer, according to you everyone says it.

My only beef with you on Scales was the five hit thing. Go and check your facts.

by SouthernCub on Jun 1, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

5 hit thing was said to make a point that Scales does not belong at this level

But of course you are smart enough to have realized my point and instead want to engage in the feeding frenzy.

Awww, come on guys, it's so simple maybe you need a refresher course. It's all ball bearings ...

by BLou on Jun 1, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't have argued further...

had you not so adamantly stated it repeatedly. In fact, you went so far as to pat yourself on the back when he was sent down, even though anyone and everyone should have realized that the end of the bench will be fluid for the next few months and he was going to come back.

If you had said “yeah, the 5-hit thing was hyperbole” when I first pointed out the folly, I’d have left you alone from there. But you stood adamantly by that statement rather than conceding a bit of folly.

by SouthernCub on Jun 1, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BOBBY HAS gotten

THREE hits and ONE HR since May 20th

IS that more than Soto?

by The E-Man on Jun 1, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Soto is actually 8-29 since May 20...

along with 6 BB, for a line of .276/.400/.310.

Aside from the power, that’s pretty good production (especially from a catcher).

by SouthernCub on Jun 1, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its ok

Scales has four walks with less AB’s. They have each failed to deliver in key moments with RISP during that period.

by The E-Man on Jun 1, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whatever...

Soto has definitely outperformed Scales the last few weeks. His RISP numbers this season are down and in line with his season numbers.

If Soto keeps hitting better like he has in May, I expect his RISP numbers to go up accordingly. There is such a thing as too small a sample size. Looking at production w/RISP over a 10-day span is an example of such a thing.

by SouthernCub on Jun 1, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I also believe Soto's BABIP was below average when he was struggling.

It’s also possible that his luck hasn’t been particularly good. He, Bradley, and Fontenot have all had a lot of hard hit balls that were right at fielders. One has to believe that those kinds of things tend to even out over the course of a season. It also seems silly that you would have to defend Soto as a better hitter than Scales. Hard to believe anyone would believe differently.

by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jun 1, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we're not expecting him to replace Soto

:D

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But he's got that "VERY likable" thing going for him, right Drewish????

Awww, come on guys, it's so simple maybe you need a refresher course. It's all ball bearings ...

by BLou on Jun 1, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

Scales is a great story, and that’s why people are happy to see him with the big club. It doesn’t hurt that he plays as well as some of these other guys.

somewhere along the line, I think you lost your love for baseball. I think it’s very sad. What’s better than Bobby Scales’ story? Not much.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed, it's the minor league grinder

cup of coffee success story. It’s why all like the Hoffpauir & Fox stories.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on Jun 1, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and its something Hollywood made a movie about

The Rookie, about a 30+ year old rookie. Never got anywhere, but was a great story, one you can look to for inspiration and motivation.

For those who are not aware of the movie, here is a link to it http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0265662/

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 1, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

one of my favorite movies.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it needs to be pointed out

and this is the last time I’m going to say anything about it, because I don’t want to be bagging on Scales, but the reason the Rays were able to even give him a shot, is because they were HORRIBLE. I’m all for a good story, but I’m not for honoring a good story, if it takes up a spot on a roster for a team trying to compete

by WanderingWanderer on Jun 1, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plan Ds are rarely expected to pan out...

the Cubs have had several middle infield prospects come up to the big leagues in recent years (Theriot, Fontenot, Cedeno). It’s unrealistic to expect the train to keep on rolling.

We’re a couple of years away from having another suitable middle infield player.

by SouthernCub on Jun 1, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you're missing the point

in a season where the Cubs haven’t performed as well as they should, Bobby Scales has had a story we can enjoy. I’m sure no one entertains any hopes that he’s going to turn into a major league shortstop with power and range. But he’s at least one bright point we can look at.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 2, 2009 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Except, of course....

…Jim Morris was out of baseball for 10 years, unlike Bobby Scales.

Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team

by carmen_fanzone on Jun 1, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's better than Bobby Scales' story? How about winning more games?

I like Scales as much as the rest. I hope he turns around the prodigious slump he’s in right now, and I don’t blame him for our struggles, so hopefully no one takes it that way,

But we are competing for a spot in the playoffs. Chad Fox was a nice story when he got back to the majors. Despite the fact that no one other than Jim Hendry thought he should have actually been pitching for us.

I like nice stories as much as the next guy, but other than three at-bats, Scales is getting dominated now that he’s seen more major league pitching. My concern is that there really isn’t anyone other than a 31 year old journeyman we can call up? Is our farm system really that bad?

by WanderingWanderer on Jun 1, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There are many guys better, however, Hendry

has the $$$ to afford other guys tied up in Miles and Freel and Scales is outperforming those two.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on Jun 1, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What’s better than Bobby Scales’ story? How about winning more games?

How about both?

When you call up career minor-leaguers, you’re rarely going to get tons of hitting. There’s a reason why they live there most of the time.

Scales has 11 hits, is hittin g.275-ish, and has an OPS of .808. That ain’t bad for a replacement player.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we could do with more

avgs around .275, not less.

by Allie on Jun 1, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you don't think

“scales doens’t belong in the majors” isn’t advocating for less scales?

alrighty, then.

by Allie on Jun 1, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scales isn't hitting .275 or anything close, so advocating for less Scales

isn’t advocating for less .275 hitters, which is what your statement implied.

by WanderingWanderer on Jun 1, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excuse me

for not having seen his recent stats and trusting Drew’s post.

Yikes. No wonder I stay out of the losing threads….

by Allie on Jun 1, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you got sanctimonious with me

not the other way around Allie, don’t act like someone jumped up and down on you.

by WanderingWanderer on Jun 1, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd take both

but that isn’t happening

and he isn’t hitting anywhere near .275 unless you consider .239 close

by WanderingWanderer on Jun 1, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, although the .352 OBP is still nice...

Of course, looking at those numbers overlooks the fact that in the last 30 PA he has just three hits and has gotten on base just seven times.

It appears that pitchers may be figuring him out. Can he adjust? We’ll see.

by SouthernCub on Jun 1, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

my mistake

I mis-remembered it.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's still

succeeding nearly 1/4 of the time.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And, and, and

the guys other teams are willing to get rid of right now aren’t producing much more, if any more, than that, but at a much higher cost.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on Jun 1, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love SCALES

He is better than PUJOLS!

by The E-Man on Jun 1, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man, I can't type...

“You’re the one that made…” not “You’re did make”

Uggh, me’s English skills are no good.

by SouthernCub on Jun 1, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh thank goodness

I thought I’d gone crazy trying to figure out what you meant there.

by Allie on Jun 1, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nobody is claiming Bobby Scales is some awesome player

at least I haven’t seen that. SImply he is a replacement level player who should be on this team instead of a certain DL’d overpaid utility player. He can sit here and fill a role while Aramis is out, nobody thinks he is going to have amazing production, just that he is a better option that Aaron Miles and Ryan Freel.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jun 1, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly this

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey Drew

I have an OT question for ya ~ you’re a BSG guy, right?

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark

by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jun 1, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

right up until

the last 40-ish minutes of the finale, yes.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

K, well I'm a ways off from that.

I just finished the first season and was going to pick up the 2nd. But Best Buy has two different Season 2’s…a 2.0 and a 2.5. Was the season broken up in two or something? I just wanna make sure I buy the right one.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark

by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jun 1, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Season 2 is broken up.

Season 2.0 is the first half of the season. Season 2.5 is the second half. You need to get both.

Season 3 is a single boxed set. Season 4 is like season 2.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, that's kinda what I thought

It’s weird though, Amazon is selling 2.0 and 2.5 together for like $40, while Best Buy is charging like $45 for each of them. The drastic difference in price was kind of confusing me. I didn’t know if maybe 2.5 was a limited edition version of 2.0 or something. One other thing, I thought I remember hearing that they did a made for tv movie that went along with one of those seasons? Is that true, or am I mis-remembering? I appreciate the knowledge!

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark

by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jun 1, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BestBuy

is trying to make a killing. I never buy DVDs from brick and mortar stores anymore.

There’s “Razor”, which is a movie that takes place at around the same time as season 2, with some flashbacks. It’s included in the Season 3 Box set, like the miniseries is included in the Season 1 set.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cool

Thanks for the help!

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark

by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jun 1, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he might be a better option than those two

but the fact remains, he wouldn’t be a better option for most major league clubs. Just another testament to how poorly Hendry put this team together

by WanderingWanderer on Jun 1, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm gonna go

with option number 2, Wally.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That will always be a debate that can't be settled

and will always be argued by how you viewed the moves that put this team together.

For instance, if you viewed the Milton Bradley move as a shrewd get that filled a hole in right field, it’s all on Milton under performing.

If you saw it as Jim signing a guy who ALWAYS misses SOME time due to injuries, and who was coming off a career year, thanks to getting to play DH quite a bit. (Two aspects that didn’t bode well for playing for the Cubs) then you probably didn’t see him as a good fit.

If you saw Milton as someone who was finally putting together his potential with his output on the field, you probably think this is just Milton underperforming, and Hendry is a victim of that.

If you saw Milton as someone who was neither the great bat (career average under .270) or power hitter we needed (career high of 22 homeruns) then again, you saw it as a poor fit, and Hendry trying to fit a round peg in a square hole.

There are quite a few other players and positions that certainly have two sides to them, but for the record, I’ll take option number 1

by WanderingWanderer on Jun 1, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What if you saw Bradley as a better option than Edmonds?

Apparently Hendry rightly saw Bradley as a better option than bringing back an over-the-hill Jim Edmonds. There is no doubt in my mind that Bradley will end up performing better than Edmonds would have this season.

by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jun 1, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sorry but that's not a relevant argument

for one, Bradley didn’t replace Edmonds, he replaced Dome. for another, there were LOTS of better options than Edmonds. And in my view, there were better options than Bradley.

It was never a Bradley OR Edmonds situation. Edmonds wasn’t coming back no matter who else we got.

by WanderingWanderer on Jun 1, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll try this again

there were other options, and for cheaper, than Bradley

Again, it was not EVER Bradley or Edmonds, it was Bradley, or Abreu, or Dunn, or Ibanez, or attempting to work out a trade. It was NEVER, EVER Bradley or Edmonds

by WanderingWanderer on Jun 1, 2009 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bradley was actually the best choice to replace Edmonds if you looked at the skill levels of the available players.

You seem to have missed my point that Hendry had to fill a hole left by Edmonds not Fukudome as you suggest. Since there weren’t any center fielders available Fukudome was moved to center but Edmonds spot was the vacated spot Bradley was filling. Your assertion that Bradley only put up good numbers last season because he was a DH is unfounded and he had put up good career numbers on the whole as well as the fact that he had a better defensive record than Dunn, or aging players like Ibanez and Abreu.
 The 2009 season is far from over and it remains to be seen if the other “options” will outperform Bradley. One thing is certain and that is that based upon the information available Bradley was projected to be a better all-around player than any of the other players available. If I remember correctly 110 games of Bradley along with a replacement level player in right would be more valuable than Abreu, Dunn or Ibanez. It’s a little too soon to say that the Bradley deal was a bust and that he won’t be worth the money. Of course, if someone already had a pre-conceived judgment of Bradley then they would be looking to jump on Hendry for signing him considering his slow start.

by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jun 1, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Guy, Edmonds wasn't coming back

Even if we didn’t get Bradley, Edmonds still wasn’t coming back.

That’s like saying we got Dempster, because Maddux didn’t come back. One wasn’t the replacement for the other.

My “pre-conceived” notion of Bradley is based entirely on his career, which is exactly how your “pre-conceived” notions that Bradley is the better fit came from, you just looked at the stats differently than I did. As for “aging” Bradley is no spring chicken, he’ll be 35 when his contract is up.

“One thing is certain and that is that based upon the information available Bradley was projected to be a better all-around player than any of the other players available.”

Who’s information? Who’s projections? Obviously the Phillies felt Ibanez was a better fit for them, so there wasn’t a uniform projection saying Bradley was clearly the better choice.

by WanderingWanderer on Jun 1, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Guy, Dude. Buddy, Bro-ham, I'm well aware Edmonds wasn't coming back.

You seem to have missed my point so I won’t bother to reiterate it. ZIPS, CHONE, and Marcel all projected Bradley to be a better offensive player than Dunn, Abreu or Ibanez and he’s also rated higher defensively. I’m just attempting to provide what was the unbiased statistical analysis of the players’ actual performances.

by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jun 1, 2009 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bro-ham?

AHAHHAHAHAHAHA…

sigh…

I hate off days.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haven't heard that one in a while.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 1, 2009 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They did?

They picked up Bradley and didn’t pick up Edmonds, but I don’t think the two are related. Bradley came in because they didn’t know if Dome was going to be able to get his bat back up to snuff.

Edmonds wasn’t coming back. And that’s probably a good thing.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How can they not be related?

Reed Johnson has not been good against righties in his career and there is no way Hendry was coming into the season with him as the every day center fielder. Fukudome was moved to center because there weren’t any decent options available to put in center. Obviously Fukudome was a better option to move to center than Bradley. Hendry knew he had to find another bat to replace the loss of Edmonds who was a major contributor from the left side last season. Hendry knew he was stuck with Fukudome and simply had to hope he would produce.

by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jun 1, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are talking in circles. no one evr said that Edmonds was coming back. We

heard you the first three times you said it. Edmonds left and had to be replaced. Dome is still here, Sori is still here and Edmonds is not. So by that logic, Bradley took his spot.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 1, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's replying

to WW, not you. :)

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you Drew.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 1, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ha, thought it was other way around but my point still stands.

I don’t understand why people continue to refute that we had to pick up Bradley because we were losing Edmonds. Had there been a center fielder better than Bradley available then I’m sure he would have been put in center and Fukudome would have stayed in right.

by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jun 1, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've been under the impression

that the corner OF spots are where you stash your guys who don’t play great D but have big bats, whereas CF is where you put your less-well-hitting guy who does have good D.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's usually the case, but RF is the exception. You need to have a good

arm out there to stop the first-to-third crap. Although Jacque Jones throws a monkey wrench into that theory.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 1, 2009 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

RF in wrigley

right?

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

right

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 1, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is interesting

because I thought it was the other way around. Johnson was moved into a platoon with Dome in center because Dome struggles hitting lefties, and so was a good platoon partner for him. Bradley was brought in to be the bat that we thought Dome was, but wasn’t (last year). Edmonds wasn’t coming back because there wasn’t room for him, because we got Gathright instead, and because (I thought) pretty much everyone thought Edmonds was done.

So Edmonds left because Dome was moving into Center, where he could platoon and where his bat wasn’t as important, and Bradley was brought in to be in right, and carry a big stick.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's real simple

Hendry could have found a way to keep DeRo and sign Bradley, either by not signing Miles, Gathright and Gaudin (gets you to about $5 million), or keeping Marquis instead of signing Dempster to the huge contract. Or some combination.

I like the first scenario the best. It’s true that Fontenot wouldn’t have gotten his chance. But Mike might be best suited for a part-time role.

The mistake Hendry made — and a lot of us mentioned it in the offseason — was not having a clear backup to Ramirez when the season started.

by elgato on Jun 1, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He didn't

“opt out” he retired b/c he wasn’t healthy.

by Allie on Jun 1, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

By "opted out" I meant he chose not to return. It wasn't meant as a put down.

He was healthy enough to play as he had medical clearance he simply chose not to continue because he was afraid of future injury. I don’t blame him at all nor was I blaming him for choosing to quit rather than risk another head injury. He most likely made the right decision.

by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jun 1, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

they've admitted

that they wanted to give Fonty a shot; he’s cost controlled, and it gave them the flexibility to trade DeRosa to build the farm.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes, and since this is a team that is supposed to win now

I think that was a mistake. If we’re going into rebuilding mode, then go into rebuilding mode, but don’t trade a key cog so you can sort of rebuild.

by WanderingWanderer on Jun 1, 2009 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They projected

Fonty higher than he’s turned out to be. I don’t think they thought of using him as a rebuilding block. They thought he’d produce close to what he did last year.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not talking about Fonty being the building block

you said they traded DeRosa to rebuild the farm system.

Though I believe projecting Fonty to be better than he is definitely falls into what I said earlier, some will see that as Hendry not putting together a very good team, others will see that as a powerless Hendry watching an under performing Fontenot

by WanderingWanderer on Jun 1, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh, I see.

My point was that they thought that they could trade DeRosa to strengthen the farm without weakening the team because they thought Fonty could replace him without a significant drop-off.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No argument there Drew

I don’t disagree with the point you were making, I’m just not sure I agree with the team’s rationale

by WanderingWanderer on Jun 1, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well

I’m not sure I agree with it either, but it’s over now… :D

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This teams best baseball is ahead of them

However, last years team would of kept up with the Dodgers last night. We had plenty of chances to at least catch up within 3 runs.

But this team will have better days. But I’m really, really worried about Geovany Soto.

Tamia Lynn Davis:
Born: August 18, 2008

by Unique on Jun 1, 2009 12:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

"However, last years team would of kept up with the Dodgers last night."

The team that showed up in the playoffs or the one that played the regular season?

by cubsnlinux on Jun 1, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the DLee hate

is partially a product of how he is used. Much like the Corey Patterson hate was 70% Dusty’s insistence on batting him leadoff, my guess is that if DLee was batting 6th we’d be far more gentle. With a slugging percentage that ranks beyond Theroit, Scales, Koyie Hill and, yes, Carlos Zambarno, there is a VERY STRONG argument to slide him down in the order but of course that is territory that has been covered again and again and it won’t happen.

It is too bad Soriano completely falls apart when hitting anything other than leadoff, because until Ramirez comes back the offense would benefit greatly from sliding him into the cleanup spot or fifth to give some protection to Bradley so he can see some better pitches.

by BeltwayCubsFan on Jun 1, 2009 1:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Again, Lee's stats in May: .313/.403/.552 (.960 OPS)

People are still too caught up in the HORRENDOUS April stats to realize that Lee was really good this past month.

by SouthernCub on Jun 1, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree...

He’s not the #3 slugger that he used to be, or that we’d like in that spot, but that doesn’t mean he’s a horrible player now. But he can still be productive hitting 5th or 6th when Aramis comes back full-strength (hopefully).

Someday we'll go all the way...

by CubsBullsBears on Jun 1, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd argue he can still be productive hitting #3 or #4...

as is evidenced by his .313/.403/.552 line in May.

by SouthernCub on Jun 1, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course, if we had a BETTER option...

I’d be fine with him hitting #5. But until Ramirez gets back and until Bradley gets really rolling, Lee is our best bet in the #3 or #4 spot.

by SouthernCub on Jun 1, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great Point,

Ignoring Soriano (who only produces in leadoff), Ramirez (injured), Bradley (stalled), Soto (something), The choices at #3 are Fontenot, Scales, Theriot, & Dome/Johnson, doesn’t appear any everyday player is left to bat at #3 right now other than Lee.

If Ramirez was back 100%, I’d advocate him in that position, but he’s not.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on Jun 1, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fukudome has done a fine job as the three hitter

and I would say that IF he can sustain his play (and I still think that is a big IF) he should stay in that spot when Aramis comes back.

Soriano, Theriot, Fukudome, Aramis, Lee, Bradley, Fontenot, Soto, pitcher

Obviously switch Ted and somebody when he starts.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jun 1, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I assume the problem with Dome is he's still

a platoon player with Johnson. If Lou’s goal is for defined roles, the CF position cannot be the #3 as Johnson isn’t spongeworthy as #3.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on Jun 1, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

true true

and the platoon has worked to perfection, see RJ this week. Perhaps Bradley and Johnson switch on those days.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jun 1, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well said good sir.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 1, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's a very interesting point.

We talk about the Dodgers playing over their heads. Surely, the Reds are playing over their heads too…

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

First, that's nonsense, secondly, ave you ever typed a post that didn't include namecalling?

the problem with your argument is among other things, what if quite a few players played over their heads last year?

Milton Bradley is coming off a career season last year, and still came into this year with numbers that average .268, about 14-15 home runs, and somewhere around 50 RBI

Fontenot had a career year last year in limited duty, some think (thought) that meant he’d produce even more as an everyday player, but so far that hasn’t been the case

Theriot had a career year in 2008

Dempster had a career year

Soto certainly had a career year.

Secondly, it’s a lot easier to fail, than it is to succeed in baseball, it’s why the argument that what must comes up must go down can apply, but not, whatever must go down, must come up.

Is Bradley going to hit .205 the rest of the season? Of course not. It doesn’t mean he couldn’t hit .230, or .240 and continue to be a less than productive member of this team

by WanderingWanderer on Jun 1, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

why is it nonsense?

It’s called an average for a reason.

And if we go around saying that Soto’s first year in the bigs was a career year, I don’t think that’s very fair to him. It’s a very small sample size, as far as years in the bigs go.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

“Soto certanly had a career year.” Certainly? How do you know that? Unless you just enjoy being miserable, I guess.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 1, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

but it's the ONLY

season of his career to date. You have a sample size of 1.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

if you're going to argue that players always fall back to average, which you just did

then there’s really no reason to assume there are several players who are going to improve. As I said, Dempster had a career year, Theriot had a career year, Bradley had a career year, Fontenot had a career year

by WanderingWanderer on Jun 1, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not always

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that if

you’re going to say “these guys are all playing under their level”, it’s reasonable to assume that they have the potential to rebound, just like a guy who is playing over his head (Juan Pierre) has the potential to drop.

And that it’s unfair to suggest that Soto has already had his career year when we have no idea how his career will shake out.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's also reasonable to assume that some players will have better seasons than their

averages suggest, and some will have worse. Thinking that doesn’t make you a hypocrite.

by WanderingWanderer on Jun 1, 2009 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As far as namecalling goes

It reminds me of what German soccer coach Franz Beckenbauer said after his team got drilled in the last World Cup: “You could have put all our players in a sack and hit it, and whoever got hit would deserve it.”

As Frank Zappa put it, “You are what you is.”

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 1, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bruce - you crack me up

man! lol

“I’d bet you would say there was no way they could sustain that level. And that would make you a hypocrite.”

And a glass of “STFU”? Where’d you get that one, buddy?

Its just “Stink-Foot” to me! lol

by The E-Man on Jun 1, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I got it from the golf course, E

Funny what goes through your mind out there sometimes.

Frankly, I’d rather have weasels rip my flesh than be a Gloomy Gus all day … :) (Glad to see you’re back. Hang in there, buddy.)

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 1, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he cracks me up too

though probably for different reasons. Immature guys with internet muscles always crack me up

by WanderingWanderer on Jun 1, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like yourself?

If this thread is any indication, you’re the Charles Atlas of BCB right now.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 2, 2009 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not Bruce Froemming stars in ...

“How to Use a Straw Man to Make a Point.”

by elgato on Jun 1, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How is that a straw man?

It’s called consistency. Bobby Scales started out hot, but I knew there was no way he could keep it up. Meanwhile, some around here think Milton Bradley will hit .225 or so all season.

If you choose to believe the former, you have to choose to believe Scales will hit .300-plus all season, too.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 1, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, you'd just need to believe that Scales will hit .239 all season...

as Bradley is currently hitting .224, and Scales is currently hitting .239.

Each player needs to be taken into his own perspective. One can expect Bradley to bounce back and another player not to do so, depending upon the player’s particular circumstances.

That said, the key is having a legitimate reason for believing a player will (or will not) bounce back. Otherwise, it’s baseless pessimism (or baseless optimism – there are those folks too).

by SouthernCub on Jun 1, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True, that

Thanks for putting it in a much better way than I did.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 1, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not questioning your assumptions about Cubs players

I’m questioning your assumptions about fans.

“If guys like Lee, Bradley, et al, were hitting ABOVE their averages, what would you say?

“I’d bet you would say there was no way they could sustain that level. And that would make you a hypocrite.”

That’s a straw man strategy — advancing your point by contesting a point no one has made.

by elgato on Jun 2, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know as well as I do

that many of the same people advocating Point A also would be advocating Point B, were it true.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 2, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and for what it's worth ...

I believe Lee and Bradley will keep getting better, especially Milton. But it’s hard to assume players with less history to use as a gauge (namely, Soto) will do the same.

by elgato on Jun 2, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1 and rec'd!

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Jun 2, 2009 6:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is it just me

or were there an ungodly amount of drunk people in the bleachers last night? I sat in the last section of left field and saw one dude get kicked out for being drunk but not before he borrowed some blue paint from another group of drunk people and tried to make a “C” on his chest which essectially was blue paint all over him. One dude was celebrating his 21st birthday and was actually passed out, head in lap, by the 3rd inning. We had a extremly loud dude talking smack to Will Ohmen, after being told 10 times by the usher to watch his language, he eventually was on the verge of falling asleep and ended up leaving in the 6th. Security seemed to be extremly busy last night. This is really the first time that I have ever seen this many drunk people and I go to plenty of games. Not that I care, really, they were just having fun but it made me wonder what the deal was. True it was a night game and most people are probably off work but there had to be something else. Festival, block party, who knows.

when asked about his performance against the Reds - Lieber said the following
"Well obviously I made some bad pitches today, left to many over the plate and they got good wood on the ball. The only good thing was that I was able to get back into the clubhouse earlier then I planned so I could eat."

by 1060 W Addison on Jun 1, 2009 4:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

One reason I do not sit

in the bleachers often is that other than being 400 ft. from the infield action, sitting next to sweaty/smelly frat-boys, having to stand in-line hours before a game to get a seat, and watching the endless meaningless game of “throwing the ball back” – or Ronnie Woo Woo – is I’m too old for most of that shit. Its the party zone in the Bleachers. Which is great – but was great when I was in my 20’s, not so much when I’m 50. But that’s just me. To each, his own, for sure -and I totally respect that.

by The E-Man on Jun 1, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love the bleachers

but my back is getting to the point where I can’t sit there for three hours. That’s my biggest complaint — no seat-backs.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know - I can dig it

Have to constantly remind myself – “Sit up!” “Stop slouching!” etc.

Once or twice a year I’ll go and just stand mostly and watch…

by The E-Man on Jun 1, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually = at 16

when I would cut school once in a while, we’d sit and banter with Jose Cardenal – replete with Afro. I liked them at that time – and THE PRICE WAS RIGHT.

by The E-Man on Jun 1, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 1, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nicely Played.

It is really sick someone has that tatooed on their bicep.

What a life.

by The E-Man on Jun 1, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

...

is that god?

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It has worsened...

each season for the past several years.

On games where I don’t have my STs (share ‘em with several folks) and do go to the bleachers, I go to mid-week day games. Even week-end games in the bleachers is getting crazy. Hey, I don’t mind the beer consumption if people know how to manage it. In fact a beer an inning for the first few innings is just right. Getting loud (not vulgar & stupid) and having a good time while actually watching the game is fine. Not knowing much about baseball, being there to be seen, getting wasted and acting a fool just seems like its taken off recently though; sad.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Jun 2, 2009 6:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

While I've found this whole thread to be more stressful to read than normal...

I’ve regained some of my smile by listening to the Oakland A’s announcers in their game tonight against the White Sox refer to the lesser Chicago team’s players as “Palehosers” :)

by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 1, 2009 7:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

in that vein, if our final record is better than the Whitesox

than no matter how bad the season goes, at least one thing will go right. The fact that classless fools like Kenny Williams and Ozzie Guillen can have ANY success burns me up

by WanderingWanderer on Jun 1, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Classless fools? Isn't that a bit strong? Don't you think that the "Let's hate everything Whitesox"

rhetoric is wasted energy? They are not all idiots over there. And last I checked, they did win a title a few years back.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 1, 2009 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, it doesn't actually take any real energy for me to dislike Ozzie or Kenny

it’s not like I come home at the end of the day tuckered out because of that 30 seconds I spent disliking the Whitesox front office and manager.

by WanderingWanderer on Jun 2, 2009 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

wait

did you just make a personal attack on Kenny Williams and Ozzie Guillen?

(poke)

:D

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 1, 2009 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no

but I’ll be convinced you’re a hypocrite.

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 2, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

To me it has...

always been being totally indifferent to what happens 9 miles south. I don’t care where they finish. I care where the Birds, Crew & the other 3 division teams finish.

Unlike a vast majority of Cubs fans, there’s a vocal group who roots for the team 9 miles south that appears to be more obsessed with the fortunes of the Cubs than the Twinkies, Cats and Tribe. How sad that the Cubs in most seasons have only 6 games that affect their team; this season being different (15) as the Cubs play most of the rest of the ALC (3 Twinkies & 3 Tribe here, 3 at the Cats).

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Jun 2, 2009 6:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What a load of BS!

"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009

by DrCrawdad on Jun 2, 2009 7:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

CRAWDAD ATTACK!

"I don’t really play baseball, I feel it." -- Milton Bradley

by drewishdrewid on Jun 2, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Monday night at The Cell...

… I was at the Sox game vs. the A’s. I sat in three different places – RF corner, LF bleachers and behind finally about 15 rows behind homeplate. In each seating area and as I walked around beautiful US Cellular Field I saw many Cubbie fans gallivanting around in their Cubbie duds.

I didn’t see a single Sox fan harassing these hapless Cubbie fans, except for the Cubbie fans in the LF bleachers. They weren’t content to watch a ballgame. They came to cause trouble – taunting Sox fans, booing the Sox and cheering the A’s. (Reminds me of the Sox home opener in 2002 when there was a Cubbie fan going up and down the upper deck seating section directly behind homeplate heckling the Sox and Sox fans.)

No doubt these Cubbie assclowns from the LF bleachers went home boasting how cool they are and putting down Sox fans, saying that Sox fans are obsessed with the Cubbies. One of those asshats may have been you.

"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009

by DrCrawdad on Jun 3, 2009 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cards and Brewers lose

and Mets too. Not bad for an off day.

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

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