Roster Moves: Fox down; Miles back
by Reddevil on Jun 10, 2009 12:35 AM CDT
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Muskat reports Jake Fox has been demoted in favor of Aaron Miles. Miles sounds upbeat here saying:
The boys have played pretty good, considering all that's happened. There are some good months ahead.
and
With all the injuries and some of the guys starting slow — it's a blessing to be where we're at.
Despite the whole "ending a sentence in a preposition" thing, I think Miles point is a good one. But that doesn't mean it is easy to see Jake Fox leave after going "5-for-12 (.417) with the big league team, including a pinch-hit double on Tuesday in the Cubs' 7-1 win over the Astros." According the the esteamed [sic], Carrie Muskat.
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I hate Aaron Miles so much.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 10, 2009 12:53 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Why do you have so much hate?
That’s meatball, I tell ya, meatball!
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by DTJchris on Jun 10, 2009 2:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I challenge your disdain for Miles against my disdain for Bradley.
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by dtpollitt on Jun 10, 2009 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a Hate Off!
1-2-3…GO!!!
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 10, 2009 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2009 Stats
AVG OBP SLG OPS HR/RBI/R/SB Age
Bradley: .208 .327 .368 .695 5/14/19/0 31
Miles : .204 .250 .265 .515 0/4/13/2 34
Its no contest. Bradley at least has tons of potential….Miles is at the end of his career
by Neifi Puppy on Jun 10, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MIles has him in age
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 10, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will tell you that NOBODY signed more autographs...
than Aaron Miles at the Iowa Cubs game the other night. It was almost like he was walking up and down the 3B line before the game looking for kids. You can at least give him credit for that, eh?
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by IowaCubs- on Jun 10, 2009 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like a politician looking for photo ops.
Seriously, Aaron Miles seems like a nice guy, and he plays the game hard. I feel a little bad for him at times. Is he even aware of the amount of ire he’s raising among knowledgable Cubs fans?
In any case, his skill set is just so limited and his contract so…immovable.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 10, 2009 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh... I know...
That was my denial talking.
Sigh…
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by IowaCubs- on Jun 10, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Among knowledgeable Cub fans"
Why should knowledgeable Cub fans be annoyed at Aaron Miles? He’s hit LH pitching, even while injured, which is really all he should have been doing on this roster. Aaron Miles can’t help his skill set. If you want to be annoyed at someone, be annoyed at Lou for the same backwards usage patterns that made Cedeno look worse than he was.
For the record, I'm glad the Cubs have a high payroll. Does anyone understand why the high payroll is something anyone should complain about?
by DGU on Jun 10, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that's kinda why I feel bad for him.
He does play hard and, well, he is what he is. I see he’s put up a .263/.300/.421 (.721 OPS) vs. LHP in 20 PAs this season so far. I guess that’s about what we can expect from him.
Ideally, the Cubs would have a legit 3B backup who could allow Fontenot to go back to 2B where he belongs and Miles could just hold LBR’s place vs. LHP – though I’m still not convinced Fontenot couldn’t play everyday at second base.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 10, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His #s v. LHP were better until just before he went to the DL
and on his career, he’s managed a .351 OBP v. LHP.
’
No kidding on the legit 3B backup. Our season would be much different, I think, had Corey Koskie worked out.
For the record, I'm glad the Cubs have a high payroll. Does anyone understand why the high payroll is something anyone should complain about?
by DGU on Jun 10, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
probably
Because when he’s in the majors, no fan in their right mind wants it.
I sit at home after the Cubs lose and wanna pound sand but I know I live in a state without that kinda land. I know in my heart Sori isn't a guess hitting hack and that Dero will never be back. Pitching is King, some do say and hopefully Aaron Miles doesn't play in a Cub uniform another day. By October this I know, to the playoffs we are for sure to go. Go Cubbies!!
by cubsluver22 on Jun 10, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was actually signing "Erin Mills" and taking money on the side for them.
He is a bad bad man.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 10, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can just picture it...
Reporter- “Lou, can you tell us why you recalled Miles?”
Lou – "Well, he can’t hit for power or average, fields kinda average for a guy known as a “glove man”, and we have at least three other guys who play the same positions he does, at least as well. But look, he signed a lot of autographs when he was down in Iowa. He got his reps signing his name, and that did the work he needed to do. So we called him up."
Ladies and gentlemen! It's 1985 all over again, but this time the offense goes to hell!
by Ross on Jun 10, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll bet he's a great guy
and at home I’ll bet he’s Aaron Miles- the his friends probably like, but here is represents the Chicago Cubs. When you represent the Chicago Cubs by hitting .204 and playing crap defense I’m not gonna like you.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 10, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I'm no fan of his signing either.
But sometimes the vitriol against certain players can get out of hand.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 10, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope they teach Fox how to field
while he’s in Iowa.
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by Allie on Jun 10, 2009 1:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope they teach Miles how to hit
while he’s in Chicago.
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by Schwa on Jun 10, 2009 2:12 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
http://www.instantrimshot.com/
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by digitalbenjamin on Jun 10, 2009 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh... man... tears... laughing.
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by SackMan on Jun 10, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is Andres Blanco stil here???????????
I thought the position of Useless 25th Player was being held by David Patton.
by Poloplaya14 on Jun 10, 2009 2:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Andres is better in the infield than Miles
Probably hits better too. My God, this move makes me throw up in my mouth…
by Craig in South Bend on Jun 10, 2009 2:19 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Probably hits better too?
Seriously? Is that based on his career OBP of .294 or his career SLG of .318?
by Poloplaya14 on Jun 10, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need a SS
Blanco is the best defensive SS on the roster.
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by Allie on Jun 10, 2009 2:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't
we say the same thing about Cedeno last year? Look where that got him :P.
I agree though, Blanco is on the roster to back up Theriot at SS.
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by gwood on Jun 10, 2009 7:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You aren't seriously suggesting that Cedeno was good at defense are you?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 10, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he had his moments.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like the time he threw the ball toward the ump... while it was still in play? LOL.
The ump dodged the ball, and the Braves kept running around the bases.
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by SackMan on Jun 10, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ONEDEC's best moment was landing us...
…AARON HEILMAN! Oh man…
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by IowaCubs- on Jun 10, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heilman
was dominating last night. It’s not a complete reversal, but if he can replicate it, our bullpen looks a LOT better.
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heilman was charged with the tying run Sunday
but got out of a bases-loaded jam too, pitching relatively well.
(I hate myself for writing that, as I am the president of the "Aaron Heilman Sucks fanclub.)
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jun 10, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No he wasn't
Marmol was charged with the run, but Heilman was charged with the BS (which stands for blown save or bull shit statistic depending on your point of view).
by Poloplaya14 on Jun 10, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
(I hate myself for writing that, as I am the president of the "Aaron Heilman Sucks fanclub.)
wouldnt that be anit-fan club then?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 10, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd grown pretty tired of Heilman, too.
But he’s looked better of late. That three-pitch K last night was awesome. And he’s allowed only one run and one walk in his four outings so far this month.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 10, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You think a good middle infielder is useless?
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 10, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think if you're a position player that can't hit...
You better know how to play catcher, and you better be damn good at it too.
by Poloplaya14 on Jun 10, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Blanco
is hitting about as well as Miles right now.
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's true
But Miles’s sample size from this year is miniscule. His career numbers are much better than anything Blanco can spit out. That’s not saying that Miles is good (I know he’s not), but I am saying is that Blanco is even worse.
by Poloplaya14 on Jun 10, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suggest
that there’s no way to know that. And since Blanco’s defense is better…
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's no way to know anything for sure
but Blanco’s career minor league hitting stats don’t inspire much confidence. Miles is no slugger, but his career OBP numbers are good enough for a backup middle infielder. And you can say that he’s not good at SS, but he’s really not gonna be playing much SS with the Cubs current roster configuration. And I just don’t think Blanco’s that much better at 2B to account for the lack of offense you’re gonna get.
by Poloplaya14 on Jun 10, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neither one of them is a starting player...
…so, though offense would be nice, it’s probably going to be a matter of bad vs. worse. Now, granted, Blanco is probably the worse, but I believe his range and throwing arm more than make up for it.
He hasn’t played enough ML innings at either 2B or SS to get definitive UZR numbers, but I would still maintain that he’s a better glove man at both positions than Aaron Miles. (FAR better at SS where the team REALLY needs depth.) The Cubs shouldn’t be counting on either player to do much at the plate – and neither should we.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 10, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
+1/recd
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think we'll get much out of either player BUT
I think Miles will give more than Blanco at the plate. And right now, I think the ability to play 2B is much more important, considering that’s where the hole in the lineup is right now. The ability to hit lefties is also more important, since that’s when Fontenot ideally sits on the bench. Taking that into account, I’ll take Miles since he can hit lefties reasonably well and he’s a decent second-baseman.
by Poloplaya14 on Jun 10, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aaron Miles career UZR numbers at 2B:
-5.9/-1.9 (in 3,579.1 innings). He’s a below league average second baseman – and that’s his natural position. Again, the marginal gain in batting average over Blaco probably won’t mean that much to the team.
Meanwhile, Blanco likely saves more runs in the field AND provides depth at the SS position. Do we really think Theriot can play almost every game of the season without risking injury or a severe offensive dropoff? This is about building a roster with depth – something Jim Hendry failed to do.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 11, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not a marginal gain in BA.
I’m convinced that Blanco will hit around or below the mendoza line. I also think a healthy Miles will hit about .270. That’s significant enough to make up for the lack of defense which isn’t as big as you think. Miles is only slightly below average, and Blanco is good, but not that good.
by Poloplaya14 on Jun 11, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Blanco is that good - defensively.
But, as mentioned, there isn’t enough data yet to say for sure.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 12, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he played
pretty good last night. Two hits, drove in two runs.
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My question is: Why is Miles back here????
2009:
Miles: .204/.250/.265 (98 AB)
Blanco: .250/.323/.357 (28 AB)
I’m significantly more confident in Blanco’s glovework too…
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by CubFanInCanberra (9387milesfromWrigley) on Jun 10, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
98 ABs means little.
Miles is a better hitter than that. Any reasonably intelligent person can see that by looking at his career numbers.
Also, 28 ABs means even less. Blanco is not that good. Any reasonably intelligent person can see that by looking at his career numbers.
by Poloplaya14 on Jun 10, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Miles is back
because he’s got the MLB contract, and he’s got seniority. Let’s be perfectly clear here — Blanco appears to have a much better glove, and nearly an equal bat. Miles appears to have declined significantly. However, I didn’t watch tonight’s game, so I don’t know he did.
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought they would....
send Blanco back and keep Fox due to all the inter-league games coming up. I’d rather have Fox DH than Bradley.
by montecarlo on Jun 10, 2009 5:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Fox could still do this.
Today is the 10th. The first possible DH game will be at Detroit on the 23rd.
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by Al on Jun 10, 2009 7:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it makes sense to keep Fox fresh...
with some regular AB’s. You never know when Bradley’s going to fart the wrong way.
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by IowaCubs- on Jun 10, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This makes no sense...
We don’t need Fontenot, Scales, Blanco, Theriot AND Miles on the roster. One of those four (and I’d vote for Miles or Scales) should be in the minors and Fox should be up for his bat as a PH.
by SouthernCub on Jun 10, 2009 6:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Miles
The boys have played pretty good, considering their $4 million backup 2B has been more worthless than tits on a bull. There are some good months ahead.
Fixed your quote, Aaron.
I’m with SWL. I hate him so much
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by Worf on Jun 10, 2009 7:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You're risking some meatball comments again.
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by Al on Jun 10, 2009 7:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fact alert!
It’s FIVE million dollars.
Sigh.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 10, 2009 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But we could probably trade him...
For Brian Roberts.
(aw shit, there goes denial again…)
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by IowaCubs- on Jun 10, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's silly....
…. to say you hate Aaron Miles. It isn’t like Miles is holding a gun to anyone’s head. To use a trite expression, hate’s a pretty strong word. Save it for something useful, that has nothing to do with the Cubs.
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by BeerCub on Jun 10, 2009 7:24 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Hate is a strong word
But not as strong as “blind hate” [Dan, you out there blind hating on Miles now?]
All kidding aside, I don’t hate Miles, I just hate what he does.
But when you think of it, since I don’t know him personally and likely never will, the only thing I know of him I pretty much hate.
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by StevenABQ on Jun 10, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to quote Dave Barry
who was talking about Rony Seikaly when he was with the Miami Heat.
“I hate Seikaly. I mean, not like I hated, say, Hitler, but I hate Seikaly more often.”
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by Worf on Jun 10, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey I think we all want Miles
out of town, but his contract won’t allow it at this point of the season. Blanco has done a decent job. I would of sent Scales down, thats me.
Miles needs to hit ASAP. I just can’t see the Cubs eating that contract 3 months into the season.
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by Grockcubs on Jun 10, 2009 7:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i don't want miles out of town
unless the other team foots the bill.
i’d prefer he hit .265 the rest of the way.
by tim815 on Jun 10, 2009 7:40 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
This makes me so angry.
We send a guy down who’s SLG is very likely to be higher than the guy’s OPS who is being called back up. Just so incredibly aggravating.
by kanderber on Jun 10, 2009 7:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
Good point
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by The Ryno and I Know on Jun 10, 2009 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A link
from a proper news source… because I admit I was a little embarrassed to admit I get my news from Facebook.
The only mention is midway through the story.
After the game, Jake Fox was optioned to Triple-A Iowa to make room for infielder Aaron Miles.
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by Reddevil on Jun 10, 2009 7:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'D RATHER HAVE NEIFI PEREZ
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by dtpollitt on Jun 10, 2009 7:56 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
liar
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by digitalbenjamin on Jun 10, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there
isn’t any difference.
I sit at home after the Cubs lose and wanna pound sand but I know I live in a state without that kinda land. I know in my heart Sori isn't a guess hitting hack and that Dero will never be back. Pitching is King, some do say and hopefully Aaron Miles doesn't play in a Cub uniform another day. By October this I know, to the playoffs we are for sure to go. Go Cubbies!!
by cubsluver22 on Jun 10, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt Lou will have Miles leading off
Day after Day after Day after Day……
Oh THE HORROR, THE HORROR
( the memory of that still brings shivers to my spine)
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by Doggie Stalker on Jun 10, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OH SNAP!
You may as well just ripped this man’s testicles off and used them for batting practice!
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 10, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would that help him hit for some power?
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 10, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, but he might be able to sing in a higher voice, though.
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by Trey2317 on Jun 10, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least he juiced and could hit for a bit of power...
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jun 10, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
define "bit"
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by IowaCubs- on Jun 10, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pop-ups to the outfield
as opposed to pop-ups to the pitcher. “It’s an improvement”!
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jun 10, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm feeling a little eSTEAMED myself.
we’ll see fox again. lou loves miles, and I don’t know why.
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by Mr Snrub on Jun 10, 2009 7:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What a joke
Miles goes away and we go 8-4. Fox is getting pinch hits, Blanco has come up and played defense, and Bobby Scales has even done a thing or two. WHY DO WE NEED THIS GUY?? Hendry has already eaten big contracts this season, just DFA Miles and end the nightmare.
The fact that I have to watch Aaron Miles play baseball again makes me sick.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 10, 2009 8:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ugh, maybe Hendry is holding out to trade him after this season
I’m not saying there will be any takers, however
by dr stabbingworth on Jun 10, 2009 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you have to have Miles come back
why is Bobby Scales still up here. At least Jake Fox can hit!
by cubdreamer on Jun 10, 2009 8:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Where do you play Fox
so he is not a total defensive liability? As for Miles, he hit .300 last year, clearly he knows how to hit.
by lookingdeadred on Jun 10, 2009 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Career .685 OPS - Miles does not hit...
And Fox provides a pinch hitting option with power from the right side of the plate. Neither Miles, Scales, nor Blanco provide that.
by SouthernCub on Jun 10, 2009 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
Scales and Miles are essentially redundant.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 10, 2009 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Miles and Blanco are redundant.
Switch-hitting backup middle-infielders. I think the choice is between the two of them.
by Poloplaya14 on Jun 10, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aaron Miles can't play shortstop.
Or, at least, he shouldn’t. Ever. Bobby Scales and Aaron Miles are both switch-hitting second baseman – they are redundant.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 10, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what annoys me most
is that we’re paying $5.5 mill to a guy who provides us with less defensive depth than either of the two minimum MLB wage guys.
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OPS is not a good stat for Miles since he gives you no slugging
With that being said his OBP numbers aren’t that good either. career .325
But agree that Fox should’ve been kept at least for the PHs that he gives us, while we have an overabundance of the same type of player.
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by KaliCub on Jun 10, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OPS is pretty much always a good measure...
The fact that he gives you absolutely no power is relevant. The fact that he also does not get on base is also relevant. Miles doesn’t get on base and doesn’t hit for any power. Thus, he’s not a good hitter – which is represented in his low OPS.
He does one thing sort of okay – hit singles. He does everything else pretty poorly. Thus, he’s not a good hitter.
by SouthernCub on Jun 10, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree he is not a good hitter.
All I’m saying is that I would take a high OBP singles/walks guy with no slugging, while his OPS would be low, that same player would be useful. Let me be clear, Miles is not useful in either of our scenarios.
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by KaliCub on Jun 10, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That kinda player would need to have some speed, though.
Miles doesn’t have that either.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 10, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But I hear he can sign a really good autograph.
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by KaliCub on Jun 10, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that a high-OBP guy can offset some OPS loss.
Ultimately, you want to avoid making outs AND do damage. If you can’t do damage, you should at least avoid making outs.
And as you and I agree, Miles does neither of those things.
by SouthernCub on Jun 10, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was my only point.
This roster move was a real head scratcher.
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by KaliCub on Jun 10, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Career .351 from the right side of the plate.
by Poloplaya14 on Jun 10, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Note taken
At least tolerable as a backup IF, against just lefties.
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by KaliCub on Jun 10, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fox can hit off of the bench as well
fill in in Right or left field for a game. He would be no more of a liability in the field than Hoffpauir.
by cubdreamer on Jun 10, 2009 8:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We don't know that.
Fox has played exactly one inning in RF. Hoffpauir has turned himself into a decent outfielder (to my surprise).
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by Al on Jun 10, 2009 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
didn't Fox
start one game in right? I don’t think he made any plays at all. Reed Johnson ran 2/3 of the way across right to make a catch for him.
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He actually has 29 innings in RF...
He played 22 innings in RF in 2007, and 7 innings in RF (in one start) this year.
by SouthernCub on Jun 10, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't you remember the game in SF?
Fox in RF. It was chilling, and not in a good way.
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by Ross on Jun 10, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Saying that Fox is no more a liability in RF than Hoffapuir
is not an endorsement. Hoffpauir is a brutal RF, but at least he can play 1b. Fox can only play PH/DH.
by lookingdeadred on Jun 10, 2009 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hoff did have...
A nice catch out in RF last week.
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by CubsBullsBears on Jun 10, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the one where he fell on his back?
I’ll say one thing about that — he did actually catch the ball.
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The one that prompted Jerry Hairston to slam his helmet, IIRC.
I think Bradley or Fukudome makes that catch much, much easier than Micah made it look. Who knows if Fox would have gotten it, though.
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by Trey2317 on Jun 10, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn't pretty...
But it did save 2 runs (maybe more?) IIRC.
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by CubsBullsBears on Jun 10, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Fox played right for most of the game on Saturday but in any case
He adds some punch off of the bench.What does Scales give you that Blanco doesn’t? In my opinion nothing , so why have 4 second baseman on the roster when you can have Fox from the rightside and Hoffpauir from the leftside coming off the bench to hit in a key spot?
by cubdreamer on Jun 10, 2009 8:45 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
View this as Fox is going down
to get lots of defensive work at 3rd and the corner outfield spots and will be back by July for good. At least that would be a logical explanation to me.
by Cubsfan Waveland on Jun 10, 2009 8:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We'll have to see whether Fox plays 3B in Iowa.
Honestly, by the time he gets enough reps in real games, Aramis will be back. But that doesn’t change the fact that the Cubs still need a backup third baseman going forward. Is Jake Fox that guy? It’s hard to believe, given his awful defensive reputation. But if he could pull off a miracle and learn to play the position at least semi-competently, his stock would certainly rise. If anything, it may open up the trade market to moving him to an NL team.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 10, 2009 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even if Fox can get his defense up to "subpar"
he will make our bats stronger at both 3B and 2B. I think that’s why we need to keep trying with him.
by madcow256 on Jun 10, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right.
And even when Aramis gets back, the Cubs still need someone to back him up.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 10, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fox vs. Scales
That Fox played RF din a game does not make him a RF. Soriano used to play 2b, but he was never any good at it. When Lou puts Fox in the field, he hopes that no one hist the ball Fox’s way because it will be quite an adventure if it happens.
That said, at this point in time, with interleague play coming, I would rather have Fox than Scales. But since they chose to send Fox down , hopefully it will be to have him learn how to play somewhere in the field so they can actually use him.
by lookingdeadred on Jun 10, 2009 8:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I understand the logic
Blanco can play defense at shortstop and 2nd base. Miles is being paid $5 million. Fox can’t play the field and is third on the depth chart at 1st base. Sometimes life is unfair. If Fox does want a viable major league future then he has to become tolerable enough to plop in the field.
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by BLou on Jun 10, 2009 8:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My only disagreement with the move...
is that it makes no sense to keep two light-hit/no-hit middle infielders on the bench. Fox provided a power RH bat as a pinch hitter, which I feel is worth more than a second middle-infield backup.
I’m guessing he’ll get recalled for the interleague play. Perhaps this is just allowing him to get regular AB until that time, so that he’s not rusty when the time comes. At that point, he and Hoffpauir will platoon at DH.
by SouthernCub on Jun 10, 2009 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 light-hit middle infielders
Miles, Blanco, and Scales.
Blanco is the only true SS backup in that group, though, which is why I’d want him to keep his spot on the roster, horrible hitting aside.
by madcow256 on Jun 10, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two light-hit middle infielders ON THE BENCH
One of those three light-hit middle infielders has to play as a starter.
by SouthernCub on Jun 10, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, right.
Unfortunately, one of them does have to play. And eventually we can add Freel to the mix too! sigh
by madcow256 on Jun 10, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that Blanco should be up because he is the best shortstop on the current roster
but why is Scales still up here?
by cubdreamer on Jun 10, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope he's back to DH
for those interleague games coming up.
by salparadise23 on Jun 10, 2009 8:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
I’d like to see Fox at DH as well, but I think there might be other options:
1. Hoff
2. I could see Bradley (holding breath to see if he can stay healthy that long) DH – the irony of the Indians series is killing me – while Johnson and Kosuke fill in the outfield slots.
by socalicubsfan on Jun 10, 2009 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fox v. Hoff
Jake Fox came up May 27 and hit .417/.429/.583 in 14 PAs.
Andres Blanco came up May 27 and hit .250/.323/.357 in 33 PAs.
Since May 27 Hoffpauir has “hit” .200/.200/.267 in 15 PAs.
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by DGU on Jun 10, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
June 23: Jake Fox up, Scales or Blanco down to AAA
July 15: Aramis Ramirez back, remaining one of Scales or Blanco down, or Miles dealt
I wouldn’t mind having both Hoffpauir and Fox available as regular PHers.
Fontenot (fon-te-no): Cajun for "scrappy"
by zambranofan on Jun 10, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t mind having both Hoffpauir and Fox available as regular PHers.
Can we really take two roster spots for a pair of guys who can really only field one position between the two of them?
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems doubful.
And I’d really like to see Andy White stick with the big league team.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 10, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hoffpauir has shown so far
that he’s a competent 1B/OF backup, not just a PH.
Fox, though . . .
by madcow256 on Jun 10, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's a competent 1b
he’s a tolerable OF, maybe.
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Just go to 11 pitchers.
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by DGU on Jun 10, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahahahahahahahahahahhahahahhahahhaaa!
snifff… oh, man…. that’s funny… :P
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if by July 15 Fox could play 3B competently?
Then I think he has to be up to spell Ramirez on occasion.
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by Trey2317 on Jun 10, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be an ideal, if highly doubtful, solution.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 10, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if Jake Fox can learn to play 3B consistently
in 35 days, why hasn’t he done so up till now?
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that's the $50 million question. (Not sure how I came up with that figure.)
My faint hope is that it has finally dawned on the organization that Jake Fox would fill a glaring need at third base and they’ll at least make a decent effort at trying to make him fit there. Why this wasn’t obvious coming out of spring training – or at the very least when Aramis went down – I have no idea.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 10, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It seems to me
When you have a guy practically begging to try a new position so that he could be an asset to the big league club, you might as well give him a chance.
I think if Fox was given the opportunity to play any position consistently, he might do alright – he seems like a hard worker who will try anything to reach the Major Leagues.
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by Trey2317 on Jun 10, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
is it possible
that’s he’s simply not good enough? Daver likes to talk about how Fox is supposed to be working with Trammel on playing 3rd, and it seems that so far, Fox hasn’t progressed enough. Fox played a game in right field, and the one ball that was hit to him was fielded by Reed Johnson, who came to the middle of right field to make the catch — ie, it wasn’t in any kind of overlap zone.
Maybe the kid just can’t use a glove.
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he apparently hasn't progressed enough...
…to play in major league games. But that doesn’t mean he hasn’t made some progress. Maybe if he goes back to Iowa, keeps doing 3B drills and plays the position in live games every day, he’ll get to the point where Lou/Trammell would give him a legit chance in the big leagues.
I’d say it’s absolutely a long shot. But, given Fox’s bat, it’s a long shot worth taking. What have the Cubs got to lose – besides perhaps a few games at the Triple A level?
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 10, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's possible.
I’m biased, and I want to see Fox succeed in a Cubs uniform.
I’m not sure the Cubs have given him enough of a chance to emerge as a decent defender. Since he was told to quit catching, he’s shuttled from 1B to LF to RF, and now he’s working at 3B. I think if he focused solely on one, he could be fine. In 35 days, he might not be able to play an adequate 3B, but give him a year at it, and I think he might be valuable over there.
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by Trey2317 on Jun 10, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fox at 3b
You actually think a guy can learn to be a big league 3b in a month?
by lookingdeadred on Jun 11, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily
But Fontenot learned it in roughly the same time, so there is a precedent.
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by Trey2317 on Jun 11, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bad comparison
Fontenot is a natural infielder, something that cannot be said of Fox. It will take Fox a lot more time to learn to play 3b.
by lookingdeadred on Jun 11, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And at least Fox could have the benefit...
…of a couple/few weeks of playing 3B at the Triple A level.
He could have had many more weeks than that if the Cubs organization had been thinking ahead.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 11, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which tells us why they should never get Giles
Because Giles spelled backwards . . . .
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 10, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
AGGGHHH!!!
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 10, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You just blew my mind.
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by IowaCubs- on Jun 10, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand
Can’t we just move Aaron Miles to the 60 Day Disabled List and be done with it?
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by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jun 10, 2009 10:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He can file a grievance with the player's association.
Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!
by Cub Style on Jun 10, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
Yeah, I know. I was just a joke (and a pipe dream).
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by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jun 10, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
*It was just a joke
I’m not a joke…I’m for real.
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by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jun 10, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The guy's fought off a kidnapper with a gun...
…so whoever you choose to disable him better be pretty damn tough.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 10, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like a job
for Theodore.
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by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jun 10, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL.
You know the best part about this? I agree with you.
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 10, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We've got the Twins coming to town this weekend.
Andd, according to MLB Trade Rumors, they might be looking to improve at 2B.
So, now is Miles chance to shine for a weekend and help us win some games, and help himself get traded.
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by SackMan on Jun 10, 2009 10:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes
The Twins need 2B and a DH. But what could be pried from them? I’d love to have Cuddyer, Morneau, and Mauer.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jun 10, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a coincidence.
We have both a 2B and a DH available.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 10, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But the Twins are thin at the ML level
I’m positive their farm is teeming with talent, but I don’t know what would be useful to the Cubs right now.
But here’s my dream trade: Fox, Miles and Scales plus cash considerations for Joe Nathan.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jun 10, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares what we get from them... as long as we can move a contract like Miles.
We’ll pick up the remainder of his year’s deal, just to get him out the door.
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by SackMan on Jun 10, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously...
Miles will snag us no better than a Single-A Pitcher
And I’ll make that deal in a second
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by Worf on Jun 10, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Twins are a great opportunity to move him.
Their second basemen are crap… and they’re 4 games back in a crappy division.
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by SackMan on Jun 10, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sadly... I would expect Miles to start all 3 games this weekend against the Twins for this very reason.
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by SackMan on Jun 10, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You raise good points
If the Cubs eat most of Miles contract, they will take him, and I don’t think this is highly-desirable.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jun 10, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His contract really isn't awful...
It’s about what you would expect for an average veteran 2B.
It’s just that… he’s not performing to the value of of it right now. If we pick up the remainder of the deal this year, then it’s probably a very do-able trade.
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by SackMan on Jun 10, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coming from the Twins organization
A Single-A pitcher is gold!
Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!
by Cub Style on Jun 10, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hm, well, I think Fox could genuinely help the Twins.
I fear they’d probably frown on Miles and Scales because of their age (among other reasons).
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 10, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They have Kubel DHing...
Who is basically, well, Jake Fox.
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by IowaCubs- on Jun 10, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Argh!
And I see Kubel doesn’t play third base either.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 10, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Kubel has very iffy legs
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jun 10, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looking to improve
I think if anyone takes Miles it’s going to be a charity/pity thing.
by Craig in South Bend on Jun 10, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily
I bet there are managers/GMs out there with the same amount of love for Miles as Lou/Jim. The Twins are much too smart in their scouting to take Miles though. They would for sure like Fox and Blanco.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jun 10, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you looked at the Twins second basemen?
Their starter, Alexi Casilla, is 5’9" 160, and batting .180
Their backup, Matt Tolbert, is batting .184.
I’d say Miles could certainly help them.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Jun 10, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
when you get below the mendoza line
previously ugly things start to look pretty. It’s like having beer goggles, but in baseball.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The winner...
.. in the funniest comment of this thread category… is…
(fumbles with envelope)
… Drew!
Pumping sunshine for the Cubs since 1968 (yeah, that's right I was a Cubs fan in the womb!)
by CubFanInCanberra (9387milesfromWrigley) on Jun 10, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you want to ask the Minneapolis Star-Tribune's beat writer about this
there is a live chat at noon today.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jun 10, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cool... I'll join the chat. Thanks for posting!
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Jun 10, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're very welcome
In the interest of not double-posting and having the question answered, can you please ask?
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jun 10, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah... I'll ask.
I’ll type it up very nicely.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Jun 10, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Man
I just got called into a meeting, so I won’t be able to follow. Can you please post the answer here? Thanks again.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jun 10, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question submitted
Hey Joe,
The Twins need to improve at 2B, with Casilla batting .180, and Tolbert batting .184. They’ll see a Cubs team this weekend, who suddenly have a lot of depth at 2B. They could be trying to showcase Aaron Miles. Any interest there by the Twins? Miles has been struggling, and is just returning from a 15 day DL stint today. But he’s a career .285 switch hitter, and is playing under a budget friendly two-year, $4.9 million contract, compared to some more expensive options like Freddy Sanchez or Mark DeRosa.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
by SackMan on Jun 10, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nicely worded!
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 10, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A question about Freddy Sanchez just came in.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Jun 10, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now that I think about it.
It was probably too long of a question. Ugh.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Jun 10, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you Barry?
12:46 [Comment From Barry]
Are the Twins in any position to entertain trade talks? The Cubs have a glut of 2B. You see a trade happening there?
12:47 Joe C.: Again, I’d be surprised if the Twins made an in-season trade to improve themselves. Help will have to come from within.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jun 10, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope... but I was just about to post this.
I’ve never done these sort of chat questions before. So, I didn’t know I should have been sooooo brief with my question.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Jun 10, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well,
There go our dreams of unloading Miles.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jun 10, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All my fault. I let the team down.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Jun 10, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't beat yourself up too much.
I’ve sat in on a couple MLBTR chats and fired off a few fairly brief questions – none of which saw the light of day. I think it’s pretty arbitrary which ones get chosen to be answered.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 10, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
for MLBTR chats
ask the question as a player. They like that a lot.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 10, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I think I tried...
…submitting one as “Jim Hendry” one time.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 10, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I submitted mine before the "open" of the chat.
When I saw how brief the questions were, I thought… Oh crap. No way mine gets picked. LOL.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Jun 10, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Man
At least the gist of the question was asked. Somebody must’ve been lurking here and asked. Now we know the Twins won’t pursue a trade. Ergo, Miles shouldn’t be “showcased” this weekend. I wouldn’t hold my breath though.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jun 10, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now we gotta figure out who else needs help at 2B?
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Jun 10, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont think
he is gonna answer the above question
by desmoCubbie on Jun 10, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that you Tolbert?!
I’m hungover…You could have at least you were from the Yankees.
Sorry, couldn’t resist.
by Craig in South Bend on Jun 10, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they're looking to improve at 2B...
Then they’re not going to be interested in Aaron Miles, who clearly isn’t good at baseball.
by kanderber on Jun 10, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome Back
We’ll be happy to have Jake Fox back in Iowa though.
D'Angelo loves Bobby Scales!
by Rosana on Jun 10, 2009 12:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"Gee Dub" via Twitter
Fox plan is to let him play daily again at AAA and make him eligible to return for interleague road games in 11-12 days.
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by Reddevil on Jun 10, 2009 4:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yup.
Although the question remains: AT WHAT POSITION will he play daily at Triple A?
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 10, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better be 3B.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Jun 10, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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