Should Zambrano Have Started The Ninth? Guzman Fails, Cubs Lose To Astros 2-1
by Al Yellon on Jun 11, 2009 7:52 AM CDT
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PrintIn Carlos Zambrano's first full year in the starting rotation, 2003, Mike & I used to sit in the bleachers and note whether he'd get a lot of ground balls in the first inning. If he did, we'd say, "He's on today", and invariably, he was.
Z -- and his managers -- think he's a strikeout pitcher. But in reality, his best games are when he has his heavy sinker working and the other team pounds balls into the ground. Not only that, but that helps reduce his pitch count. That's what happened last night; after eight innings, he had thrown 104 pitches. We can all remember games when Z has thrown 100 pitches after five innings. Last night Z had only three strikeouts, but he didn't need to K people; he gave up only three singles and recorded twelve outs on ground balls, including a nice comebacker in which he himself started the Cubs' only DP of the game.
So in my opinion, there were about a zillion reasons to at least let Z start the ninth inning last night -- in addition to the not-ridiculous pitch count, Z was scheduled to be the first batter of the 10th inning had it gotten to extras. At that point you either bat for him, or let him bat for himself and then remove him. Or if he gets into trouble in the 9th, then have relievers ready to go.
Yes, Angel Guzman has been lights-out in his last few outings and, of course, Lou Piniella trusts him, just as he trusted Carlos Marmol in the first game of the 2007 NLDS against the Diamondbacks.
But the result was the same as that 2007 playoff game -- a loss, this time 2-1 to the Astros. In this case you also have to give the other guy some credit; Wandy Rodriguez kept the Cubs off-balance all night with his junkballs and Chris Sampson, who has become one of the better relievers in the National League, shut the offense down, allowing only two singles. All told the Cubs had only six singles and Geovany Soto's third home run of the season. That was also Geo's second home run in his last five games and in his last 16 games since May 12, he is hitting .308/.422/.500 with all three of his season HR, 10 walks, and 11 RBI. That's about 1/3 of the season to date; if Geo can keep this up for the rest of the season, he'll be just fine.
A win this afternoon will give the Cubs a winning road trip; with the Brewers losing again to the Rockies last night the Cubs lost no ground to them in the NL Central, remaining 2.5 games behind (and only one in the loss column). All the teams in the NL Central will be playing day games today (with the Reds and Nationals playing at a strange time, 4:35 EDT), before everyone in the division heads into the wilds of interleague play tomorrow -- save the Astros, who will take part in the necessary one NL game against the Diamondbacks this weekend.
The pregame thread for today's 1:05 pm CDT game will post at 11:30 am CDT.
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Our so-called "Ace" finally pitches like an ace.
And we can’t do a damn thing on offense to get a win. Ugh.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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Yep...
I don’t blame Lou for putting Guzman in as much as I blame the bats for going silent again.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
We've got to generate offense! This is pathetic.
Our pitching has been outstanding… and there are guys on this team who getting paid big, big contracts to drive in runs… and they’re doing squat.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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We Need to Get More Right-Handed!!!!
I haz blurg: hotbeans.wordpress.com
by digitalbenjamin on Jun 11, 2009 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions
LOL'd @digben
cereal was almost sprayed across my laptop.
You know DeRo is a right hander…. LOL
"That's what you live for. You live for the opportunity and when that day comes, you better be ready," Soto said. "I tried to make sure that whenever they gave me a chance, I was ready and I knew I had to take advantage of the opportunity."
by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 11, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Cereal @ 11?
late morning? :)
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
When was the last time the Cubs attempted a hit-and-run?
Just mix it up a bit and put some pressure on the defense. Fielding balls is much easier when you aren’t moving to cover a base – why not try to change things up?
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Bill Potter on Jun 11, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
The station-to-station baseball kills me sometimes.
When the offense is scuffling, make things happen. Soriano ran once last night – on a 3-2 count – which is predictable. Run him early in the count and let Theriot shoot the ball to the right side. That can be done.
Maybe if some of the Cubs’ struggling hitters are able to find some holes on ground balls because of a hit-and-run, their confidence goes up, and they start hitting better.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
Honestly
I can’t remember the Cubs had a real base stealer. 2006 Juan Pierre doesn’t count because that team was awful.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
Wasn't that part of the allure of Soriano?
Not only did he hit for power, he could run? He was coming off a 40-40 year when he signed with the Cubs.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
Yeah that was the idea
But two years of leg injuries have ruined that idea.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
unfortunate.
With Rodriguez being a lefty and Quintero having a good arm, straight steals may have been out of the question last night. However, I don’t think hitting and running was.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
Last Cubs Base Stealer?
Eric Young, probably, but that’s a while back. Even Kenny Lofton didn’t run too much, relatively, in his short stint here in ’03 (he was on pace for ~35 steals in 162 games).
Soriano ran on a 3-1
in that same at-bat- but Riot fouled it off. But that was the only time I saw a hit and run- agreed that it wouldn’t hurt to try more.
I didn't see most of Sunday's game, and it wasn't needed in Tuesday's game
They did a hit and run Saturday. It backfired, but was a good attempt.
Not a whole lot of opportunities to try it yesterday.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 11, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
I just think in general, it needs to be done more
Lou alluded to being able to play more “small ball” in spring training, and we haven’t seen much of it for the first 1/3 of the year.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
I agree...
The whole thing is magnified even more when people aren’t getting extra base hits and usually singles and solo homeruns.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
We're such a poor baserunning team as it is...
We get doubled-off… picked-off… caught stealing… make the 1st and 3rd out at 3rd base.
It’s really pathetic.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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And that has been the case
For many years. Seems like a constant problem for Cubs teams.
"They found a delivery in my flaw." - Dan Quisenberry
last night.
Soriano at first, Riot batting. Riot popped up, I think.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 11, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Last Night
Soriano ran on a 2-2 count in the 5th – Theriot fouled the ball off. He ran on the 3-2 pitch that Theriot flew out on, too.
Neither one of those are true hit-and-run counts, because you won’t have your batter swinging at a ball out of the strike zone with 2 strikes.
I just wish the Cubs would be a little more aggressive when the offense is struggling.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
Would be nice to get them moving... and get those infielders moving too.
Do it early in the count… so we don’t have to watch us get victimized by the strike ’em out throw ’em out DP, that we seem to run into so well this year.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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That's my thinking, too.
I know Rodriguez threw over a lot last night, but with advanced scouting, those moves should be being read, allowing the Cubs to take advantage of his high leg kick from the stretch.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Bill Potter on Jun 11, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
I thought they tried
a hit-and-run last night.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 11, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
From what I saw (and remember)
Soriano ran on a 2-2 count in the 5th – Theriot fouled the ball off. He ran on the 3-2 pitch that Theriot flew out on, too.
Neither one of those are true hit-and-run counts, because you won’t have your batter swinging at a ball out of the strike zone with 2 strikes.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Bill Potter on Jun 11, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
not sure, just guessing,
but theriot was running, the hitter swung and missed an outside pitch, and theriot was throw out by three steps.
but yeah, it’s sometimes wise.
All of our starters
have been pitching like aces recently and we can’t score enough runs to win. With the starts that we have been getting, it is a bit depressing that we haven’t gone on a big run here. It feels like several times recently that we have lost 2-1 or 3-2, etc.
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
We have to be able to score
more than one run though. If we push that run in an inning earlier we’d have gone into extras. We cannot continue to rely on our pitchers EVERY game!
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
I'm not going to solely place this one on Bradley but...
Lou needs to hit him lower or something. At least until he STARTS to hit. Seems like the past 2 nights he’s been up in critical times and he doesn’t deliver. I think he is trying way to hard and if they hit him lower he may not press as much. As for who hits 3rd? That’s another good question.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
Agreed...
I understand this happens in baseball, but you are right reduce the pressure for him.
Not going to lie, when he hit the foul wall yesterday i figured we lost him again for 15-30 days.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
Me too...
It happened right after the batting cramp and then to run into the wall?
Maybe vs. Lefties it’s time to move Lee back to 3?
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
Hit Bradley 6th
I am tired of the guy, well I was the day he signed to be honest, but he has to go lower in the lineup
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
Disagree
While it would seem like the right thing to do would be to move Bradley down, as bad as this current lineup has been, it really would be pointless to move him. Any pressure that he feels has been put on him by himself. Just watch him during and after an AB. He’s been overthinking this whole thing for quite some time now and it’s not helping him in the least. HIs confidence is probably at an all-time low and he’s fighting himself.
I’m not sure who would be more appropriate higher in the order, particularly against a LHP because they all have been fighting it. I’d really like for him to do well but until he believes this will turn around and he starts hitting the ball hard, he’s going to continue to be maddeningly poor. Ditto for Soriano who really needs to change his approach or .250 will be a stretch.
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
by krummy12 on Jun 11, 2009 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The problem is
The Cubs have to many people struggling at the plate, Soriano, Bradley, Fontenot, Miles
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
Bat 'em all 6th!
Move ’em all down….oh….wait….
"I knew we were in for a long season when we lined up for the national anthem on opening day and one of my players said, 'Every time I hear that song I have a bad game.'" - Jim Leyland
To me...
Bradley looks busy at the plate. I have not seen much of him before this year so I don’t know if this is how he has always been. The guys looks like he has ants in his pants and is not fully focusing on each pitch.
I root for him because in order for us to succeed he has to but I will admit I am getting tired of his lackluster performance. To me the biggest thing I see that tells me he is pressing is that it seems on 3-0, 3-1, and 3-2 counts he is swinging at a lot of pitches out of the zone trying to hit a five run homer instead of taking his walk. For someone who has shown a good batting eye up to those points, it is maddening.
"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb
by TheRiot Police on Jun 11, 2009 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
I agree with everything in your post. He needs to relax and that big hit will be there for him. Let the game come to him, instead of trying to hit that 5 run homer.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
Ted Lilly
laughs at your 5-run homer.
Linus: Life is rarely all one way, Charlie Brown. You win some, you lose some. Charlie Brown: Really? Gee, that'd be neat.
by CyberCyclist on Jun 11, 2009 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Ted Lilly is the only human who can actually hit a 5 run homer.
Of course he pitches it to himself as well.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
I'll give Zambrano a ton of credit
He did everything he was supposed to do.
He was absolutely fantastic. Maybe he’s woken up for the season and will be a good boy and a good pitcher.
Lou should be able to take out a pitcher in the 9th inning. The bullpen should be able to get one freaking inning.
The problem was the bats. I get that Fontenot needed a day off and Blanco probably did too, but I just can’t stand seeing Miles out there. Scales/Blanco at 2B and Fontenot at 3B until Ramirez gets back.
I’m a huge Dome fan, but he looked awful in his pinch-hit appearance. Those curves were wicked nasty, but he was down 0-2 before we could blink.
I’m ready for Lee back in the #3 spot. Bradley simply can’t be the #3 hitter.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
I was also wondering why Micah Hoffpauir wasn't the PH instead of Dome.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Dome looked like he just got up off the bench...
and strolled to the plate. No batting cage swings or nothing. Really looked bad and not prepared. I wonder if the coaches go over how a guy may pitch him… Say if you’re on the bench. Samson comes in, all the bench players should be looking at what the guy throws and how they’ve thrown to them in the past.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
Abosolutely
Dome was not at all ready to bat. Hoff should have gotten that at bat.
At very least, someone in the dugout should have all availble ready to go. Terrible sequence there that could have changed the result of the game.
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue." - George F. Will
I agree...
Doesn’t seem like Perry ever does anything but observe. You never see him talk to guys before an AB. You never see him pull out a binder of info. Maybe he does this in the clubhouse or something but sometimes the hitters look clueless.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
I am not giving Dome a pass
and as a pro you prepare yourself to play at a moment’s notice, but maybe he thought Lou would put Hoff in there instead of him and he just wasn’t ready?
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
Maybe
But as a big leaguer with a $40 mln plus contract, your job is to always be ready. I get paid a lot less than that, but if my boss needs me, I’m supposed to step up and not say, “Who me? You mean now?”
"They found a delivery in my flaw." - Dan Quisenberry
Miles
I’ve had many beefs with Miles and his return last night was no different. While he’s a better hitter from the right side, it has gotten to the point with him that he should be required to take two strikes in every AB. Because he has zero power and generally doesnt hit the ball hard, give him credit for a hard line drive single last night, his AB’s are similar whether the count is 0-2 or 3-1. In fact, for me, the most frustrating AB of the night was when he hit a routine flair on a 3-1 count later in the ball game. For someone with no power whatsoever, he absolutely has to take a pitch in that count. For him to swing away is mind numbingly dumb.
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
If I were to pitch to him
I would lob a fastball over the middle and watch him fly out weakly to center every time.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
?????????????
You’re blaming Miles for not taking all the way with a 3-1 count? You have to be selective, but taking all the way? Why don’t you just castrate him while you’re at it?
I knew our offense was more Moehler induced than being good again induced
This crap needs to stop happening every other night.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
Its a step in the right direction
since two weeks ago it was happening every night. I just wish we could get 4 or 5 runs a night.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
This season is like trying to run in chest high surf in Lake Michigan.
It’s slow going, stop and go, you make a little progress and then the undertow causes you to drift back to where you started. And it makes your privates retreat to shelter…
Yep. This season is a LOT like that.
Go Green! Go White! GO STATE!
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Spartans: HA-OOH! HA-OOH! HA-OOH!
Pretty good match up to do so...
Dempster v. Ortiz. I like our chances.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
Everyday's a good matchup with our rotation.
Score some friggin runs!
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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The stats are incredible.
The Cubs are
- in quality starts with 35
- in earned runs allowed with 216 (SF 215)
- in runs allowed with 232 (LA 230, SF 228)
- in ERA with 3.89
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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That should say #1, #2, #3, and #5
The # sign created some weird bullet formatting
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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Are these rankings
in the NL or MLB?
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jun 11, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions
MLB
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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That's very impressive.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jun 11, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Here's the link
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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"Z" mentioned
after the game that Lou made the right call taking him out of the game. I disagree, 104 pitches, let him go out there, if he runs into trouble get the pen in.
The inning the Astro’s scored there 1st run, Theriot was shaded towards second and Carlos Lee’s hit still got by him. Is Theriots range that bad, or am I missing something. It seems he really is slow to balls.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
Theriot would look good at 2nd base.
Poor range and weak arm do not make for a good major league shortstop.
but why would Lou put a second baseman @ 2nd?
"That's what you live for. You live for the opportunity and when that day comes, you better be ready," Soto said. "I tried to make sure that whenever they gave me a chance, I was ready and I knew I had to take advantage of the opportunity."
by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 11, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Why not? He has plenty to spare.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 11, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
so i wander over to espnchicago.com
and see that the Sox have started the annual “Wrigley is old and smells bad” stuff. Hopefully the Cubs players keep their mouths shut again.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
Or they could say the White Sox are old, and they smell bad.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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Funny thing is...
if Wrigley is old, dirty, and smells bad, AJ should take some of the bleach from his hair and clean it all for us. Then he would not have to complain any more.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
Agreed
I wasn’t going to say anything, Al, but since you said it, I’ll say I wholeheartedly agree about allowing Z out for the 9th.
However, it’s not fair to blame that decision by Piniella for the loss. It’s hard to win when the offense scores just once. I agree with the poster who said to move Bradley down in the lineup. Seems like every time a rally gets started, he comes up and hits into a DP.
"They found a delivery in my flaw." - Dan Quisenberry
Well, I should have figured YOU would be in favor of the 9th inning for Z.
You’re right also that it wouldn’t have been an issue if the offense had done its job.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
That's why
I said nothing in the first place. I figured you’d know how I feel. If he’d thrown 120 pitches through 8, I would have seen the point of taking him out at least a bit. But 104? Like you said, that’s what he usually throws through 5. If Z is that “on,” I don’t see the point of substituting for him. Go with your best.
"They found a delivery in my flaw." - Dan Quisenberry
Z had lost velocity AND control in the 8th...
He got behind the last three batters in the 8th and threw a couple pitches very far out of the strike zone… These are signs of fatigue.
If Z had gone in to the game in the 9th, the headline would have been, “Why the hell didn’t Lou use Guzamn in the 9th?”
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by IowaCubs- on Jun 11, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Al....
…could we please stop referring to Wandy as a “Junkballer”. His stuff is almost identical to that of Ted Lilly, he may even have a little more velocity on his fastball. This guy as of last year has started to figure things out and is actually a pretty decent backend of the rotation starter. The cubs got beat by a pretty decent pitcher last night. If Wandy’s a junkballer, then Lilly is to.
But that's...
….not how he’s referred to after he pitches a good game in the BCB game recap. Lately, Ted has even been referred to as the best starting pitcher on the staff. I guess Mark Buehrle, Maddux, and Glavine are all junk ballers? Why, because they don’t throw 95mph?
by troutfishin on Jun 11, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep all junkballers
It isn’t an insult, or shouldn’t be seen as one. A junkballer can be the ace of a staff, because they know how to locate their pitches and get guys out.
Plus Wandy isn’t close to the accomplished pitcher that the other names you mentioned.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
Did he say Junkballer?
Or did he say he was fooling the hitters with his junkballs. Big difference there.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
I hope Ted
doesn’t read this post. His anger will destroy all of the SBNation servers.
Linus: Life is rarely all one way, Charlie Brown. You win some, you lose some. Charlie Brown: Really? Gee, that'd be neat.
by CyberCyclist on Jun 11, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Hitter
Jim I hope you read this today. I have been a cub fan for many years close to seventy, and I say we should still get Jim Edmonds back and Dero no matter what the cost,,,JUST DO IT
Uh
Jim Edmonds – why?
Mark DeRosa – how?
by dr stabbingworth on Jun 11, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't faint everyone but
I think Lou made the right call or at the very least I would not think of 2nd guessing it. It is easy in retrospect to say
he should have left Z in but he had thrown a lot of pitches and Guzman had been very effective. There have been many instances this season where Lou’s use of the bullpen has been just plain lousy but this was not one of them. We need to start getting some damn runs for our starters.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
+Runs
Plus, it’s time to let game 1 of the 2007 NLDS go. They lost for the same reason that day – they didn’t score.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 11, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I didn't have a huge problem with Lou taking Z out either.
Maybe Carlos could’ve gotten the game to extras, maybe not. I wonder whether Lou was testing Guzman by pitching him in the ninth inning. I still think Angel will continue to be good this season, but last night was a good example of why it’s far too early to make Guzman closer.
As many others have noted, this team has got to figure out how to put more than one or two runs on the board. Seriously, seven or eight run explosions aren’t necessary. With this starting staff, just get three or four up there and we should have a lot of Ws to cheer about.
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Now that's not exactly correct.
They don’t hit Wandy in Houston but have hit him in Chicago.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jun 11, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm "glad" we're not lynching Bradley today. It seems so passé now
I personally wouldn’t pin this loss on anybody in particular. Other than Fukudome looking like his old self—looking at two perfectly hittable two-seamer strikes and flailing at a low-and-inside slider—the pitchers did good, and the offense performed at their current level.
It’s a loss. Those happen. Seventy-plus times this season, apparently. Let’s go get them today.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
Wait a sec...
You are glad we’re not lynching Bradley, but then you go ahead and put some blame on Fukudome?
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
No blame on Fukudome
He’s been good all year and I pointed out one mistake. And there is a reason why I used quotation marks on the word “glad.” I just can’t stand Bradley and find it funny how there is blind faith in his “abilities” here.
So I apologize if I came off the wrong way.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
Cool. Understand...
I read into your statement incorrectly. Turns out i completely agree with you.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
I am with you
I don’t get the love for Bradley, never did, never will, what a waste of 30 million dollars, and hopefully it will be “only” 20 million. He is my all time least favorite Cub, and its early in his career with the Cubs, please end now.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
All-time least-favorite?!
Wow. I’ll have to think about it, but I still dislike Neifi more, and LaTroy may be in the running as well.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
I've never been able to stand Moises Alou
and his endless complaining to umpires.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jun 11, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Totally right
I was blinded by my Neifi rage I forgot about Todd.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
Neifi's performance wasn't his fault.
It was his manager’s, for using him in ways he wasn’t suited for. Same for LaTroy.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Always thought he should have changed his name to Tokk Hunkley
Because you could always count on him for 3 “K’s” and no “D”
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 11, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Moises was the best Cub hitter in 2004
So I have fond memories of him.
Aaron Miles is my all time least favorite Cub. He was the second he signed here.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
Will you still feel this way...
…if Bradley explodes later this month/season and helps carry the team for a week or three?
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Personally...
My opinions would not change. I am bitter though, i wasnt a fan pre-signing, currently, or future.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
I'm trying - struggling - to be patient.
I honestly believe Milton Bradley is an immensely talented baseball player. Whether he’ll actually prove that to Cubs fans this season remains to be seen.
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I think there's little doubt the talent is there
Whether or not it shows this year, as you say, remains to be seen.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 11, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions
I am complete agreement with you...
I was thinking about this on the way to work. I bet he has a great year next year, Jim signs someone else to play RF, the cycles repeats.
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+1
I just don’t see how he could “explode.” Nothing has come out yet of his “cramp” after grounding out in the 3rd, but I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the next excuse.
I respect Daver’s faith and devotion 100 percent, as well as that of other people here who just won’t give up on the guy. I just cannot share the same those feelings.
If Bradley carries the team for a “week or three,” I will gladly eat crow about his performance, but I won’t about his public persona.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
What about his public persona with the Cubs has bothered you?
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Tuesday's fit of rage at the plate is one example
Telling the umps where the pitches were located is another.
Shutting out the press (meh, I’ll give that one a pass).
Stubbornness regarding his [apparent] health and “talking Lou into” starting him.
Just four examples I can come up off the top of my head.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
Z breaks his bat after strikeouts all the time
who cares? At least Bradley didn’t use his knee
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
I think it's interesting
that Bradley gets taken to task for stuff that’s far outshadowed by recent incidents with Riot and Lilly.
When Riot was called out at second for “oversliding the bag”, the third base coach had to get between him and the ump. We heard NOTHING about it here. Riot probably should have been thrown out of that game.
And when Bradley talks to the press, people don’t like what he has to say.
If he doesn’t play, people say he’s lazy. If he does play, people say he shouldn’t be playing hurt.
He can’t win.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 11, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
exactly
Theriot has quite the whining problem this season. Espcially after he gets thrown out running the bases.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
You'd thikn he'd be used to that by now . . . .
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 11, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Theriot
I didn’t see that play . . . I’d have commented.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 11, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
he made a fuss
and a big fuss for around 20-30 seconds, which is quite a long time.
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 11, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Was he out?
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 11, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Called out but replay showed he really wasn't.
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Then he had a gripe
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 11, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Wasn't really close either. I could see it in real time.
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and so did Bradley
but Bradley gets taken to the cleaners for arguing.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 11, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Actually, he was supported a lot on this site
I realize one poster that we’re talking with disagrees.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 11, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
well
maybe not taken to the cleaners. But there was a lot of anger.
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 11, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
it was a play
where he slid to the bag, and then either overslid or lost contact. Again, I didn’t see it, so I don’t know for sure.
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 11, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
He never lost contact with the bag.
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Talking Lou into playing
I think any competitive player does that. Why does that bother you? Not challenging you, just wondering.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 11, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Because maybe--
(make sure that when you read this, realize I’m only speculating and DO NOT know anything first-hand):
Bradley knows he’s not 100 percent yet he is trying to “help” by going out there injured. Any competitive player will try to help all the time, but a SMART competitive player will know he’s not helping when he can’t run full-speed or see a pitch coming out the pitcher’s hand.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
Fair enough
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 11, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
how's he going to get better at seeing pitches
come out of a pitcher’s hand if he’s not up there at the plate?
His legs appear to be ok now — again, the diving play he made the other day seems to indicate that physically, he’s alright, although I did hear that he may have done something again last night.
He’s scuffling at the plate. But the only way to get better is to bat. We waited for Lee to get it together, and he did.
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 11, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Iowa stint?
Last night, Bradley grounded out for a double play. Right after swinging, he grimaced, held his upper thigh, ran to first, and went down to stretch his foot. He continued playing nevertheless.
Again, I fully respect the faith you guys have for Bradley. I just don’t see how hindering the big league team now will help him.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
I wouldn't necessarily
be against him going to Iowa, but doesn’t he need to be on the DL first?
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 11, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes, and even then, he'd have to agree to the rehab stint
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 11, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
He plays with a lot of passion.
I don’t see why that’s a bad thing. And, as Drew points out below, it’s not like Milton is the only player on the team – or in baseball – who occasionally talks back to an umpire or talks his way into the lineup.
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Dave, you got your wrong alter-ego - that was me.
I figure it’s been a while since I made a mambochicken post….
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 11, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
do we reach again?
:D
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 11, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I should've written "above." I meant this post by Drew:
I think it’s interesting that Bradley gets taken to task for stuff that’s far outshadowed by recent incidents with Riot and Lilly.
When Riot was called out at second for "oversliding the bag", the third base coach had to get between him and the ump. We heard NOTHING about it here. Riot probably should have been thrown out of that game.
In any case, as members of the mambochicken collective, we all share equally in the brillance we impart upon the baseball-loving public.
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ONE OF US! ONE OF US!
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 11, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
The mambo chicken collective... LOL.
I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 11, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
It's ok, I forgive me
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 11, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
I appreciate my sense of gratitude and forgiveness.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 11, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Sadly
I don’t see him “exploding” In his 10 year career he has one year that he was at an All-star level, last year. His other years are rather average years. I just don’t see him going off, If he gets 16 homeruns, scores 60 and knocks in 60 I will be surprised.
This is not what the Cubs invested 30 million for. And yes you could say that for Dome, but at least Dome fields his position and this year Dome has been solid.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
Dome...
Was somewhat of an unknown though. Last year was his “rookie” year so i give some slack there.
But people really forget about the team bradley was on last year. When you have a guy like Kinsler (who probably would have won the MVP if not for getting hurt) setting the table making things happen, the lineup is in a good spot.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
Guys usually step it up a notch in their FA year too.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
Bradley doesn't field his position?
he made an amazing catch the other day.
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 11, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Milton Bradley plays good defense.
And time will tell on his numbers. We’ll see.
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Uhh...
The first two pitches to Fukudome were not two-seamers…they were overhand curveballs…and good ones at that. If a guy is going to drop two overhand hammers on you with the first two pitches, you tip your cap. He probably should have recognized the normal pitch pattern to him is down and in, ahead in the count, but I’ve got no problem with him taking quality major league breaking balls for strikes on the first two pitches.
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
Hitting Coach?
I know that everyone loves our current hitting coach but is he doing the job? Maybe it is time to try something new or at least bring in some help. Fukudome’s coach did a great job with him early in the season. He is coming back. Maybe he can work with all the boys?
Anyone got ideas for other hitting coaches who could possibly help?
I want my Macias!
Billy Williams is 70 years old and retired.
Plus, much as I love Billy, he wasn’t that good a hitting coach.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
That might have had something to do with something else
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
He got him the pills?
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
Jeff Pentland is generally regarded as the coach that got Sosa going
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 11, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Correct.
Pentland was hired after the 1997 season and worked with Sosa that offseason.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
That off season...what about the other 8 years after that?
When Sosa started out on the Cubs, he was a strikeout machine. The strikeouts began to degress once Billy was hired.
by Cubs and Hawks fan on Jun 11, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Al's right re: strikeouts
In fact, they stayed high most of his career.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 11, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Hmmm.
The Cubs led the league in runs scored last year. The hitting coach last year was Gerald Perry.
The hitting coach this year is Gerald Perry. Suddenly he’s lost the ability to be a good hitting coach?
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When you build a team..
With streaky hitters, this is what you get as an end result. Streaks during the season of poor hitting.
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Not to nitpick here... but...
Isn’t just about every hitter in the game, a streak hitter? Otherwise, hitting .400 wouldn’t be a milestone. Nor would 56 consecutive games with a hit.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
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True
show me a team with no streaky hitters and a flawless lineup.
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I've never heard of a guy
who went 1-4 everyday for entire season.
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Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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True...
Tough to agrue that. I just think this team counts on Soriano a lot, and he has to be one of the streakest hitters in the game (good and bad).
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
Soriano
It’s common to paint Soriano as “streaky” but my take is a bit different. I just think he’s a below average major league hitter with freakish hand strength. I’ve said that before so I apologize for the redundancy. But his approach is what makes him streaky. He doens’t change it…ever. He looks to hit fastballs, middle-in, on almost every pitch. Very, very rarely tries to drive the ball the other way, only doing so when he’s a tick late through the zone. With that log he uses so that he can cheat on fastballs in, the balls he hits to right center are because he’s a tad tardy. Otherwise, he’s a pull-hitting hacker, prone to getting overmatched by better SP’s that can keep the ball away from him with bite.
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
I was avoiding...
being attacked by the “Soriano for Prez” people, but i totally agree with everything you said. I was just being politically correct.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
Was it just a fluke that he hit his homer to right center in Cincy?
He almost put one out to right center again last night. I’m not standing up for him but just interested on getting your take when he does hit it to right.
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Really?
Question: What was the pitch that Soriano hit for his home run in the 14th inning to beat the Reds?
Answer: Breaking ball
Guess he can hit something other than a fastball. He hit a pitcher’s mistake, which is what hitters do.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jun 11, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Honestly...
Ask yourself would you ever throw Soriano a fastball, or even an off speed pitch in the zone? Or would you throw him sliders low and away in the dirt? Every single pitch.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
you can't just count on him to miss those balls
some of them, he golfs into the stands.
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 11, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
i am talking the ones...
that bounce at the plate or before – that he seems to always swing at.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
he's not swinging at all of them
I’m the first to say that Sori is still in some kind of weird extended funk. Longest I’ve seen him do, or at least it seems like it.
But he will get back on track, and when he does, this team will be nearly unbeatable.
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 11, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
If Ramirez comes back productive, they could score a lot of runs
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 11, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
My point is pitchers make mistakes.
Hitters like Soriano hit those mistakes a long way.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jun 11, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Sometimes I wish pitchers would do this...
…so that he could finally learn to lay off those pitches. I think the reason he keeps falling for the low-and-away junk is he continues to get the occasional fastball.
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I am surprised that anyone throws him fastballs
I’d throw him nothing but garbage until he proves that he’ll take a walk 2 or 3 times.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 11, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
The reason is that pitchers sometimes make mistakes
with breaking balls. If a pitcher hangs a breaking ball, Soriano hits that a long way too.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jun 11, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
in 256 PAs
Soriano has 21 walks. Just under 10%.
Of course, if he walked more, people would say “We’re not paying him $136 mill to walk!”
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 11, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
He is our leadoff hitter though....
So walking isnt all that bad.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
That's the criticism I've often heard about Frank Thomas.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jun 11, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not knocking him, I'm just saying how I'd approach pitching him
And, that’s under 60 walks in a full season — that’s nothing great.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 11, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
I know
I was putting up the number for informational purposes.
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 11, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
This amuses me
A 40-40 guy a “below average hitter” Just becase he has a free swinging approach doesn’t mean he relies totally on hand strength. I’ve seen him hit plenty of breaking balls out of the park, and beat up on plenty of great major league pitchers. Hell last season he was the only player in the NL who could hit CC Sabathia.
He wasn’t a tad tardy on that homer the other day was he? What about the one in Atlanta where he took it to right center?
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
Soriano was a 40-40 guy ONCE.
Only once, okay may 1 1/2 has he had 39 HRs one year. He is not a 40-40 guy. Sorry.
He has hit 40 HRs once in his career, and stolen 40 3 times in his career.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
A 40-40 season has never been done twice by one guy
So by your definition nobody is a 40-40 guy.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
And i would stand by that...
40-40 is a nice achievement, but to call a guy a 40-40 guy when they do it once, is a little bit of an overstatement.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
But isn't Fonzie the only player EVER to be a 40-40 guy?
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by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 11, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
A nice achievement?
Its one of the most exclusive elite clubs in baseball.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
That doesn't mean greatness, though
It wasn’t something that was considered years ago.
Mickey Mantle was quoted as saying if he’d known it would be such a big deal, he’d have done it a few times. Maybe not a humble statement, but a believable one considering the source.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 11, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Considering that names that have done it
and the names that are threats to do it. I would say you have to be a great hitter to achieve it.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
I disagree
Most players have career years. The fact that the players that have done 40-40 have had other good HR years doesn’t make them great hitters.
There are lots of hitters in MLB history that were better hitters over their careers than Canseco – and certainly Soriano. The fact that those players didn’t have the same baserunning speed (or in Mantle’s case, the inclination to steal so many bases) doesn’t make any of them less of a hitter.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 11, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
*
The HR’s don’t alone make them great hitters.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 11, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
agreed, but
the fact that they were able to display both that kind of power and speed is what makes those seasons unique; rare even. which is why we doled out $136M for one of them.
not that i would take Soriano over Ted Williams or anything, but it’s still a fantastic season.
I'm not disputing that
But too often, people look at rarities in sports and equate them with greatness.
For example – hitting for the cycle.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 11, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
What about the 40 doubles Soriano hit that season?
Does that make him more of a great hitter? My point is a 40-40 season is an awesome achievement that shouldn’t be ignored simply because people don’t like the way Soriano approaches hitting. The guy is one of the elite hitters in baseball right now.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
See above
I’m not knocking Soriano. I am saying a 40-40 (and even another 40) season doesn’t make someone a great hitter. It means he had a great season.
And the 40 steals says nothing about his hitting prowress.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 11, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
And he most certainly is NOT
One of the elite hitters in baseball right now
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 11, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
sadly
have to agree with Badger here- we’re paying him like one, and expected him to be one, but he’s not even the best hitter on this team.
no one that strikes out as often as he does and is as bad with pitch recognition as he is is an elite hitter. good yes, not elite.
How is he not an elite hitter in the game?
Because he is in a funk right now? Lance Berkman, Jimmy Rollins, and Grady Siezmore must not be eilite hitters either.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
Because he's hit .300 ONCE
Because his career totals are
.280/.327/.516
I think he’s an above average offensive force. He’s no where near Lance Berkman, for example.
.300/.412/.557
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 11, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Elite hitters
Albert Pujols
.334/.426/.625
Alex Rodriguez
.305/.389/.577
Bug-eyed HR staring freak
.303/.361/.582
David Wright
.312/.394/.532
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 11, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Indeed
Not a big fan of his demeanor, but he’s a hell of a good hitter.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 11, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Absolutely.
I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.
I think cf82 was checking to see if that's who I meant
Not commenting on my inclusion of Braun on the list
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 11, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
Firing a hitting coach in mid-season when everything was good prior to the season is a panic move to me. Was Perry good last year when Soto broke out and Fontenot exceeded all expectations and now after 2 months in 2009 is he bad?
I'm not saying to fire Gerald Perry
Let’s just another set of eyes in there to work with the guys. When golfers go into a slump a lot of time their coaches bring in some help to see if they are missing anything.
I want my Macias!
Lou Piniella provides back-up to Perry
on working with the hitters.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jun 11, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
In fact
I think Pat Hughes last night said Piniella had picked up some sort of flaw in Bradley’s swing and pointed it out to him.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 11, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions
It was also mentioned
by Kasper on the TV broadcast
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by TheRiot Police on Jun 11, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
No one
Every team has slumps, every team loses games, every team has good games thrown against them.
It’s pretty easy to blame coaches when things are going bad. How do we know what discussions are going on between coaches and players? You can tell someone things, but that doesn’t mean they listen.
Milton Bradley has been in the Major Leagues for years. It’s Gerald Perry’s fault that he’s stinking up the joint?
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 11, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I wouldn't blame the hitting coach either. I would rarely blame any coach for a loss.
It’s the players who play the game.
by Cubs and Hawks fan on Jun 11, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Except for one
I think “Waving Wendell” lost the Cubs a game or two
"They found a delivery in my flaw." - Dan Quisenberry
So Lou lets Z pitch an extra inning
Then what?
Guzman comes in later & blows it anyway. If the offense can’t produce runs you can’t win games!
Not necessarily.
Maybe the Cubs score in the 10th and win it.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Play enough innings and they score eventually
But 9 should be ample opportunitiy, no?
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 11, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
the other team
didn’t score their first run till halfway through, and their last run late.
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 11, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Point is, hard to blame the loss on Zambrano pitching the 9th
He deserved to win, but Rodriguez probably did, too.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 11, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
oh, ok.
Yes. I agree.
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 11, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
*not pitching the 9th
But you knew that
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 11, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
True
But they went 14 innings the other day with the Reds before scoring. Guess I am a little skeptical they could score runs before Guzman (or another RP) comes in. But your’re right, who knows what would have happened with an extra 3 ABs in the 10th?
Roster nonsense
From Paul Sullivan’s Notebook:
Fox received only 12 at-bats in 12 games after being called up May 27, hitting .417. He made only one start in right field, but went 5-for-6 in pinch-hitting opportunities.
“My gosh, don’t tell me that,” Piniella said. “It was either [Fox] or send [Bobby] Scales out. Those were the two options.”
Scales, who came into Wednesday with a .226 average, got the nod because the Cubs lack infield depth.
Wait a minute, they’re the same basic player. Why do the Cubs need both of them on the active roster? Plus, Blanco is still there, too.
At least Lou said Fox would be back for the interleague trips to Detroit and Chicago.
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Scales started at 3rd last night...
Fox would not have been allowed to do that. That’s the difference.
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Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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I suppose.
I don’t understand the logic of having three players, each of whom serve as the backup for one infield spot (Scales – 3rd, Miles – 2nd, Blanco – SS). Just doesn’t make sense to me, unless Fontenot is back to truly being a platoon player, with Miles playing versus LHPs.
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by Bill Potter on Jun 11, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
+1
Even if LBR goes to a platoon role, can’t Blanco cover for him those days? Or is he strictly Riot’s backup on those days and we can’t risk it?
Either way, Fox should be with this team.
With offense being the major problem for this team
Blanco should have been sent down instead of Fox. We already have two other switch hitting middle infielders in Miles and Scales. Fox’s bat on the bench is much more valuable then Blanco’s glove on the bench.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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I would agree.
Miles’ contract gums up the works. And I shudder at the thought of what happens when Freel comes back.
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by Bill Potter on Jun 11, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions
don't remind me
I completely forgot about him.. ugh.
I think Blanco has real value in that he can back up SS. Scales and LBR have 2B and 3B. Fox is 3B/PH- that’s fine with me.
We all agree where the problem lies.
Damned if you do... damned if you don't.
Blanco can back up SS.
But, Scales can start at 3rd, when we face a lefty.
If I had to choose… I’d keep Scales.
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Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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Yes, Blanco provides depth at SS - that's why he should stay.
And Fox isn’t a 3B/PH – he’s only a PH. That’s the root of the problem: This team still has no qualified backup third baseman.
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Hopefully that's what Fox will be working on.
That said, Houston might not have been the worst place in the world for him to get his feet wet. Only Bourne can bunt, and I’m not sure we’ve seen him do that in either of the games thus far.
Sure, Fox may have butchered a play, but if it’s ok to throw him out there in a 1-run game versus LA, I don’t see why giving him a game against a station-to-station team like Houston is out of the question.
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by Bill Potter on Jun 11, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
That's a good point.
Houston probably would’ve been a good team to throw Fox into the fire at 3B. But, again, I guess we have to defer to Alan Trammell on his readiness. I believe the Twins have decent speed, so Fox probably couldn’t have stayed there for that series.
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I agree.
Trammell obviously sees more than any of us, so I’ll trust his word. The Twins would not be a good team for Fox to see at 3B, I think, as long as they’re still playing small ball.
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by Bill Potter on Jun 11, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
I believe Len mentioned last night,
that the Cubs lead MLB in defensive efficiency, according to John Dewan.
There are two approaches you can take when a team has trouble scoring runs but is pitching very well. You can try to add more offense by sacrificing some defense or put the best defense on the field to do everything you can to stop the other team from scoring.
You can find an argument for either approach but it appears Lou has chosen the 2nd.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jun 11, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
I can understand that.
I just wish that if the Cubs were going to go defense-first, they’d shake things up offensively then and not play station-to-station baseball.
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by Bill Potter on Jun 11, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree.
The fact that Lou isn’t trying to do more on the basepaths makes it appear all the more that he’s phoning it in to a certain extent this season.
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I can see that.
I’m spoiled in the sense that the first Cubs’ team I really remember following was the ’89 Cubs, and Zimmer would hit-and-run in just about any situation (even at 6, I knew a bases loaded hit-and-run was crazy). In doing so, he opened up holes and probably helped the team score a run or two.
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by Bill Potter on Jun 11, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Freel could simply be released.
Remember, the Cubs are only paying him what Gathright was getting. Most of his deal is being picked up by the Orioles.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
It's not like the Cubs have problems completely washing their hands of players they acquire
Both guys from the Wuertz deal are gone already, IIRC.
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by Bill Potter on Jun 11, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Twins second basemen are horrible.
Maybe they’ll see one they like this weekend.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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You think they could trade us...
Mauer and Morneau for Miles? If they must need a two for two i guess we could give them someone from the pen.
What….it could happen.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
Nope
SackMan and I were on the case yesterday and the answer we got is that the Twins will seek help from within and will [probably] not trade.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
Whoa....
Did you try and have them throw in Nathan and we will give them Gregg?
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
HAHHAHAHAHA
Imagine how cool that’d be…
No, we only suggested giving them one of our plethora of 2B. Their farm system is loaded with solid players who may help down the line.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
A VERY GOOD POINT...........
Talk about Nervous Nellie ??? Who knows what they will dream up ….
And, I'll add... they're NOT the same basic player.
One guy switch hits and can play 3 infield positions.
The other guy can’t play any infield positions adequately enough.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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Miles and Scales?
I don’t see the need for 2 switch-hitting utilitymen on the active roster. Three if you count Blanco.
If Fontenot and Miles are now in a platoon, then this kind of makes sense, as you need Scales to play 3B when Fontenot is on the bench (Blanco hasn’t played there).
However, outside of Bourne, who on Houston can/will bunt for a hit that would expose Fox’s lack of playing time over at third?
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by Bill Potter on Jun 11, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions
I mis-read your comment and thought is was a Fox - Scales comparison for some reason.
Yes, Miles… Scales… and Blanco are are the same basic player. I have no idea why we need all of them on the roster, when Fox’s bat is more valuable at the moment, than any one of them.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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No worries.
Yeah, my issue is more of a Miles=Scales=Blanco, essentially. And while they each may play at different spots in the infield, there’s no need for all 3, not when Fox actually hits the ball.
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by Bill Potter on Jun 11, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
5 for 6 as a PH.
Too bad that one Zero, was in the 9th vs the Dodgers with the tying and winning runs in scoring position.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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Agreed.
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by Bill Potter on Jun 11, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
So does anyone know
how the pitching match ups stack up for the crosstown classic next week?
I think we don’t face Buehrle…
I think it will line up to be:
Z, Demp and Wells
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jun 11, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Buehrle goes Sunday for them
So we miss him. I’m guessing Danks for sure, probably Floyd,
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
The probable pitchers on the Cubs website
has Danks on Tuesday, so right now it’s Floyd Wednesday and Richard Thursday.
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by Bill Potter on Jun 11, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Those guys are good pitchers
If Richard faces Wells there might not be a hit from either team.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
If today get rained out, we could get Buehrle, Danks, Floyd...
…but with how Ozzie shuffles the rotation, at times, after rainouts/off-days who knows?
Lots of day baseball in MLB today!
Always makes the day go faster to listen to a variety of games on the radio via mlb.com.
I have serious doubts if the Sox and Tigers will play today.
Will summer EVER come? I’m sick of the wisky washy weather.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jun 11, 2009 10:12 AM CDT reply actions
Boy, no kidding about the weather.
June 11 and outside my window right now it’s 56 degrees.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I'm sorry,
But I’ve got 70 here in Vermont. It’s rainy, though.
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 11, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm coming to visit you!
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jun 11, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm feeling so down
it feels like seasonal affective disorder. This shouldn’t happen in June! And what’s worse is that it should continue until late next week. Ugh.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
what I wondered
and this is because I listen to the games now instead of watching them on tv — could Dome have laid out and caught that ball that drove in the winning run? Pat said he played it on a bounce.
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I don't think it was high enough...
…but in any case, there was only one out and he’d never have stopped the runner from tagging if he laid out (Tejada never left third until he saw the bounce).
oh, I thought
there were two outs. Never mind, then.
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 11, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
it could have taken an unreal catch
and odds are Tejada scores on it anyway. Dome tried to fake Tejada out and throw him out at home.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
How come
you don’t watch games anymore? Len and/or Bob peeve you off or somethin’?
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by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jun 11, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions
I switched
from a laptop to a desktop that’s VERRRA fast. But it’s not in my living room. So I put the radio on, and sit in the office with the wife and there ya go. :D
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 11, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Cool!
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by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jun 11, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Some Twins advance scouting
here. Looks like they’re heating up a bit. Their starting pitching should be very hittable though.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
How hard can it be to hit a guy named Slowey?
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 11, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
The good news is the cubs play the twinkies in Chicago.
The Twins are much less potent on the road than at home, particularly for NL teams. I think the Twins have an unreal home field advantage to NL teams in the metrodome since there aren’t any turf or non-opening roof stadiums in the NL.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jun 11, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
TEJADA SCORES....
Either way ….Looking back I would have left Big Z in ………
Guzman got squeezed
Was it me, or did it really look like Guzman got squeezed something fierce last night. The umps zone wasn’t that small the whole game, and then Guzman get in and it freakin shrinks.
Also, that was a horrible call saying Hunter didn’t swing on his walk. the bat broke past the front of the plate, it should have been a K.
by Don't Fear the Reaper on Jun 11, 2009 10:27 AM CDT reply actions
Z wasn't getting the low strike either...
I did think Pence swung but that call can go either way every day in MLB. If the Cubs hit a little more they win. Don’t think the umps did a horrible job.
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Pence - Did he Swing or not???
Pence’s hands did not break the plate’s barrier, but his bat did. He turned his hips and rotated his body, thus bringing his bat across the plate. So am I supposed to say it is not a swing if you keep the your wrists locked, bat pointed at the umpire, and then rotate your body around so the bat goes through the zone? No! It pisses me off when line umps miss calls on swings.
by Don't Fear the Reaper on Jun 11, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Z and Ks
Al makes a great point about Z and Ks, and one which I’ve discussed before but not on this board. When Z tries to strike everyone out, he’s far less effective. He ends up walking a lot of hitters and building high pitch counts early in the game, forcing him to leave after 6 or 7 innings.
I didn’t watch too much of last night’s game, but due to his low pitch count and low strikeout numbers, I’m assuming Z was focusing more on getting batters out than on striking them out. He has excellent “stuff,” and most times his stuff is good enough to cause outs without a strikeout. If he’s finally learning this, he’ll prosper.
As one HOF pitcher (Sandy Koufax) once said, “I became a good pitcher when I stopped trying to make them miss the ball and started trying to make them hit it.”
"They found a delivery in my flaw." - Dan Quisenberry
The Astros also "helped" Z out by swing early in the count.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jun 11, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
All I know is he threw one of the tightest Sliders I've ever seen him throw
to strike Bourne out later in the game. It was after he didn’t get a strike call. Seemed like he harnessed his frustration and put it into that pitch. Loved it!
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I don't know if this was commented on the pre-game or game threads yesterday:
Ron Santo was on MLBN last night. They’re showing “This Old Cub” Sunday night at 8 p.m. Just a heads-up to those who haven’t seen it.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
What did Ronny say in the interview?
Anything of note?
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by cowsarecool220 on Jun 11, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Poor guy was sounding extra-confused last night
but no, nothing relevant.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
I'm fine with Lou taking Z out.
It’s not like it was a must win. If he leaves him in, we are all screaming “who didn’t you take him out!” Guzman didn’t do his job, that’s not Lou’s fault.
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Via Twittermyer:
Lineup in houston: sori, riot, fuky, lee, hoff (rf), font, hill, blanco, demp.
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I'm about to puke in my mouth saying this...
…but I’m actually glad to see Micah in the starting lineup.
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Thank God the Miles and Mr. .200 are on the bench!!
I hope they on the bench tomorrow when the bitter Itchy is attending the game vs. the Twins!
"He can't hit, he can't field, he can't run—all he can do is beat you."
Is there ever a point
where Soriano gets dropped in the lineup because of his poor performance at leadoff? I know this topic has been beaten to death at least in regards to the type of hitter he is, ie a power hitter should bat lower in the lineup. My question, however, is strictly performance related. Piniella has sent other players down the order (Lee, Fukudome, Soto) because they didn’t produce. Why not Soriano? Piniella even gave Soto a few days off and that seemed to work well. Why not with Soriano?
by jerry morales rules on Jun 11, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t have agreed with leaving Z in to start the ninth. Guzman has been pitching great and to second guess after a guy has one not so great inning and the Cubs lose is stupid. IMO Easy to second guess Lou from the couch. ;)
It is a no win decision for the manager if it ends up a loss
Starter is cruising along, gets into 8th or 9th.
Leave him in, or pull em and put in your best relief?
Leave in the starter, and the opposing team gets a hit for a winning run in a tight game, and the manger is blasted.
Take him out, and the relief blows a great starting pitching performance……
Well, the relief should be blasted. In todays game, where pitchers as a rule do not pitch complete games, and more attention is given to daving arms for a long hot summer of baseball. Lou made the right baseball decision.
The fact that it did not turn out good is not his fault. It is the relief pitcher’s fault. That is their job, get outs, alow no runs. Otherwise, what are they there for taking up roster space?
Al is doing to ole second guessing thing. But Lou had a make the decision, and he made the right one. The player on the field did not do his job. (and well, the batter did do his job, sometimes the opposing player simply plays better and negates the best desicion a manager can make.
That is why games are not won on paper, but on the field with real people, etc.
The most fun I ever had in my life was hittin' a baseball. And the best sound I ever heard in my life was a ball hit with a bat. Powww! (Ted Williams)
by letsplay2two on Jun 11, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
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