okay, just a thought, not a rumor, hope I don't get blasted...
by IVYHOPESDreams on Jun 11, 2009 11:06 AM CDT
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So as we all know the CUBS NEED another bat in this lineup. Yes, Ramirez will come back eventually, but there is no guarantee he will swing the bat like he did for a while. With the cubs contract situations in LF, RF, CF, 1B, 3B, they don't have a lot of options as far as trading for bats. So what if they went after Miguel Tejada to play SS and moved Theriot to 2b. I'm not bashing Theriot, but I think he could play a better 2b for us than our current crop of 2b and Tejada would definetly be an offensive upgrade. Currently Tejada is hitting .355, 6hr, 33rbi, .378 obp and .521 slugging. The RBI and BA would be leading our team. Houston is 26-31, only 6 games out and with their history they may think they are still in it. However, they have a need for some young pitching and that is one asset we have in the minors. Granted I would hate to send them a couple of guys only to have them beat on us the next few years.
So let me have it...
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Ugh.
That’s one of the most bloated contracts in the game. Plus, he just turned 35. He NEVER walks — he has SIX this year.
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by Al Yellon on Jun 11, 2009 11:08 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
There are players capable of playing well after the age of 35.
You seem to be against every acquistion of a player over that age even though they’re mostly just going to be with the Cubs for only a year or half a year. Also, Tejada’s in the last year of his deal and probably has around $6 or $7million left on his deal. The lack of walks certainly isn’t good though.
by Corey Patterson on Jun 11, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Not disagreeing with your point
but I suspect that there will be less players capable of playing well over 35 with the new drug testing.
Maybe...
Didn’t Julio Franco play some second base? We could leave Theriot at SS and bring in Franco’s big bat. He’s got to have some pop left in that bat of his…
With the current drug testing going on
players over 35 are not going to have the value they have had the last 10 years
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by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jun 12, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
now are we sure hes 35 now?
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by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jun 12, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Also, a friendly suggestion on a title for your post.
“Just a thought”… doesn’t really tell anyone what’s inside.
“Should The Cubs Get Tejada?” would have been better.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I might be in the minority
But I actually feel Theriot has picked up his defense/range this year at SS. Yes he’s made a few errors but I don’t see as many balls being hit past him.
Well good sir, you would be correct.
2007 – 7.7
2008 – .7
2009 – 9.2
Career – 3.7
It looks like he’s doing a bit better this year than last year, yes. And FWIW, his rating @ 2B is 21.7. We need to move him to 2B, which is a big “Duh” in my book.
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by puckishcubsfan on Jun 11, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Nope.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
Theriot
I don’t think that there is anything wrong wtih Theriot at SS. The Cubs need a 2b and Tejada has an expiring contract that the astros are likely to deal. I saw posted on MLBTRADERUMORS that the cardinals are also interested in Tejada. Much rather see him in a cub uni than cardinal red.
by IVYHOPESDreams on Jun 11, 2009 11:24 AM CDT reply actions
The Cubs have a second baseman.
His name is Mike Fontenot and he’s currently playing third. What the Cubs need is a bona fide backup third baseman.
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We still don't know whether Fontenot is a starting second baseman...
…because he hasn’t played second base.
Number of games at 2B this season: 17
Number of games at 3B this season: 25
And even if Lou decides to soft-pedal LBR’s ABs vs. LHP, we’ve got Aaron “The Immovable Object” Miles to take those ABs.
And do you really think Lou would platoonn Theriot and Fontenot? Because that would mean LBR would get the vast majority of ABs.
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Never said Theroit and Fontenot would be a platoon
If we were theoretically making a run at an SS, I assume we’d try to fit Theriot or one or more of our 2Bs in the deal somehow.
Either way, I don’t see a deal for an SS happening this year.
Fontenot is good
but hes kind of like a mini young DeRosa, you can use him in many different places, so we need a specified 2nd baseman who hits more consistently, so Fontenot can come off the bench and play where he is needed the most on any given day.
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by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jun 12, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Not sure I would agree he can play many different places.
You can stick him at SS and 3B in an emergency – as the Cubs are doing. But I wouldn’t consider him a utility player. He’s put up very good UZR numbers at second base. Couple that with the potential in his bat, and I still see him as at least a strong platoon 2B – and, yes, maybe even a starter still.
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Theriot is significantly better at 2B.
Moving him there would let Fontenot be a supersub of sorts, and I don’t think he should be playing everyday. The problem is finding a good SS without giving up too much. Tejada’s overrated (doesn’t walk and limited power) and will take too much to get.
we discussed this in another thread
a week or so ago, as we charted off the main thread topic. I said there and will say it again, no thanks. he is the poster boy for post roids career fall off, and after ripping him apart for being busted, why would i want to support him? no thanks still.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
I dunno, he's having a pretty productive year so far
Explain how that makes him the poster boy for steroids fall off?
by madcow256 on Jun 11, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Count me as a no, as well.
On a purely superficial level, I’ve never liked Miggy Stardust. That aside, he’s actually NOT a good defensive shortstop (-32.9/-4.3 career UZR). And for all the Cubs fans who hated DLee’s GIDP last season – Miggy led the league with 32. Throw in his contract size and his inability to draw walks (not to mention his annoying hot dogging on the basepaths) – no thanks!
Looks like the Cardinals may make a run at him. (See bottom of article.) Geez, that Khalil Greene deal has turned out pretty disastrously for them. One wonders whether the ’Stros would deal him within the division, though.
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What are the odds Tejada stays at his current level of production until October?
I don’t think they’re too high, which means he will come back to Earth – and probably in a big way. I wouldn’t want him on the team when he does that – there are enough guys struggling as is.
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What do you advocate giving up for Tejada?
And keep in mind, in-division trading is more difficult.
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I look forward to this response.
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The fact you pointed out
you hoped you don’t get blasted makes me believe you didn’t think this out.
Two word response: No money
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.
Bingo.
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Well in his defense
Every good idea on here gets blasted just as much as a bad idea.
That being said, I don’t agree with this post.
Tejada is having a better year than expected, however with the size of the contract and the fact the Cubs are in the same division i don’t see this happening. He isn’t a great defensive player and as everyone has mentioned, is very impatient at the plate. Font is hitting .385 since June 1 and when Aram comes back (He took grounders yesterday) Font will go back to second. Tejada isn’t going to fix our offensive woes anyway, it’s not one guy that is not hitting, it’s damn near the entire lineup. I think we need a right fielder before we need a short stop.
It's not a terrible thought
but the Astros never have fire sales and they certainly don’t trade within their division. And we certainly don’t want his contract unless the Astros eat most of it, which they won’t.
The Astros are kind of a dysfunctional organization.
Agree
They would never trade him to the Cubs.
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really...
Really, you wouldn’t want a guy who is leading the league in batting average and hits? I hate the steroid just as much as you guys, but I am not sure Tejada is much different than many of the players in the steroid era. He just got caught…Not saying that makes it okay, but if it would take a couple of young arms to get him then I say go ahead. It won’t happen, I know, but like I said before, it would be an upgrade to our lineup.
Batting average and hits are overrated statistics.
His BABIP is a ridiculous and unsustainable .364.. For comparison, his BABIP in ‘08 and ’07 respectively were .303 and .304 respectively. He will come way back down to earth. Since he doesn’t walk, his career OBP is .342. For comparison, Aaron Miles’ career OBP from the right side is .351. He also doesn’t hit for power anymore. 18 HRs in ‘07, 13 in ’08, 6 this year. Ryan Theriot also has 6 this year. He’s also a below-average defender.
Now this I completely agree with.
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OBP
the most important stat in baseball, and it grows with the number of walks you get.. which is something Tejada lacks.
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by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jun 12, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Nah,
go get another reliever and pray ARAM revives the lineup. Not much we can do with the players we got, their contracts etc. Unless, we sign Barry Bonds and move Sori to 2b.
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If youre gonna get him, why not let him play third?
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Miggy Stardust has never played third base at the major league level.
He’s been nothing but a shortstop (and not a particularly good one) his entire career.
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right, so why bring him in to play SS
when most older SS get converted to third was my point. I doubt he’s an upgrade over Theriot, but he’d be better a third than Fontenot, offensively speaking
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Do you really think Tejada would be happy...
…as Aramis Ramirez’s backup?
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better
a Theriot back up :=)
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Miguel Tejada is a 35 year old 'roider who is bad defensively
Why on earth would we want Tejada? God no.
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It wont happen
But unlike others in here, its a legit idea. Tejada is at the point in his career where he could be shopped around for mid season upgrades/playoff pushes. He is actually better then some guys you would get in those situations. He is on top of the league on some offensive statistics, which means he is making contact with the ball. Who, other then Theriot, on the team right now is consistently making contact with the ball and getting on base?
Tejada may come back to Earth a little bit, but he has shown through his career that he could hit, so the idea isnt a bad one.
Billy Beane would hate to acquire Tejada at this point in his career with his lucrative contract because of one thing though, his OBP is not good, which is the most important stat in baseball, which means he doesnt walk. So now after ranting about the pros and cons, you would have to put me down as a no as well, but definitely a thought to be had
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by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jun 12, 2009 12:01 PM CDT reply actions
Who, other then Theriot, on the team right now is consistently making contact with the ball and getting on base?
Lee. Soto has been hitting better as well. And Ted Lilly.
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 12, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Yea.. Lee and Soto have stepped it up
I am just saying, consistently, since the beginning of last season until now, him and Aram are are most consistent players… oh.. and Ted Lilly.
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by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jun 12, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
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