Baseball 101: Milton Bradley Needs To Go Back To Class. Cubs Lose 7-4 To Twins
The sun finally came out in Chicago this afternoon with pleasant temperatures, after what seemed like weeks on end of rain and thunderstorms, and, along with many other Chicagoans on a summer Friday, the Cubs and particularly right fielder Milton Bradley, decided to take the afternoon off.
Oh... wait. You mean they were supposed to show up at Wrigley Field and play a focused game of major league baseball today? Well, someone forgot to tell the offense for the first five innings, and then when that finally woke up in the sixth, someone forgot to put the thinking cap on Bradley, who made three major gaffes and the Cubs lost to the Twins 7-4.
Now. All of you here know I was not in favor of the Bradley signing -- my choice was Adam Dunn -- and even through all of Milton's troubles and injuries this year I have never, ever wanted him to fail. Oddly enough, the one gaffe that actually cost the Cubs a run -- the dropped fly ball in the top of the seventh after Milton had driven in two runs with a booming double off the right field wall -- I'm not going to really blame him for that. Late afternoon right field at Wrigley is a tough field to play, with the sun angling right into a fielder's eyes, and Bradley, having not seen the sun very often this season at home, just lost the ball in the sun. It happens. Had Milton caught the ball, that would have been two out in the inning and the next play was another fly ball to right, which would have ended the inning with no runs scoring.
Maybe that would have prevented gaffe #3, in which Milton forgot how many outs there were after catching another fly ball in the top of the eighth with runners on first and third with one out. He actually stood in the outfield as if to say, "Look! I caught that one!" and then pulled a Larry Walker when he flung the ball into the bleacher boxes behind him. A run scored -- which would have scored anyway on the deep fly ball, so that's NOT Milton's fault -- and Brendan Harris scampered to third. Fortunately, Justin Morneau flied to left and no further damage was done. They handed out Cubs license plate frames at the park today, but in the bleachers, we were given tickets to redeem for a frame after the game was over. Prescient? Maybe. Those frames would likely have rained down on Bradley after his mistake. (Note: I am NOT encouraging such behavior, only saying what might have happened.)
Backtracking to mistake #1, when Milton was on second after his double and Mike Fontenot was on third, he took off on a ground ball to short and was tagged easily. Derrek Lee was safe at first and a run scored. I'm not going to be too rough on Milton here either -- had he not gotten Joe Crede's attention by running, Lee would have been an easy out at first, with the run likely scoring anyway. So he cost the Cubs a base, and Geovany Soto popped up to end the inning.
I'm still not sold on Bradley as the big bat that's going to save this team. He seemed unfocused out there today, and he has yet to have any sustained stretch of hitting that would carry the team in the absence of Aramis Ramirez and the vanished bat of Alfonso Soriano. I repeat: I do not want Bradley to fail. But I'm getting a little tired of him always being the negative story.
All this on a day when, after being silent again for four innings, the Cubs finally scored a few runs -- more than they had the last two games combined; unfortunately, Randy Wells chose today to have his worst major league start thus far. He threw 78 pitches in 3.2 innings and never really had his best stuff. Meanwhile, Kevin Slowey was giving a pitching clinic, striking out ten and laying down a perfect sacrifice bunt in the sixth.
Now think about that: the Twins pitchers bat in only 15 or so games a year, yet two of them -- including a relief pitcher -- laid down absolutely beautiful sac bunts. This is yet another reason Ron Gardenhire is among the best managers in the game; his teams are always prepared and fundamentally sound. Joe Nathan, among the top closers for several years now, had no trouble with the Cubs in the 9th; I wondered why Kosuke Fukudome, who had never faced Nathan before, swung at the first pitch. Nathan threw only ten pitches in retiring the Cubs in the ninth, after Jose Mijares retired the two Cubs he faced in the seventh on two pitches and Matt Guerrier threw only four to get the last out in the eighth after Mijares got into a bit of trouble. Fundamentals... something the 2009 Cubs have had a lot of trouble with.
Finally, who let all these Twins fans into Chicago? They may have made up as much as 35-40% of the season-high paid crowd of 41,509, and they were as loud or louder than any game vs. the White Sox or Cardinals when Joe Mauer hit a two-run homer off Wells in the second inning. Props to Mauer, who is perhaps the best hitter in the game today. I find myself wondering why the Twins are a game under .500 -- the Cubs, now back to the .500 mark, are playing like a .500 team; sometimes looking really good, other times making mistakes and not taking advantage of opportunities.
So tonight, it's "Go White Sox, Royals and Indians", hoping those AL teams can help out the Cubs. My friend Phil is convinced, after seeing Alfonso Soriano at 2B for the first time this year with Micah Hoffpauir in LF in the 9th inning, that Lou will do that on a starting basis tomorrow. "Book it", Phil said. We'll see. At the very least, it would help the offense... I don't know how much more of Aaron Miles I can take. Even when Miles made a slick play in the fourth, retiring Mauer, he kind of slung the ball to D-Lee, still favoring his sore shoulder.
Enough. Let's get 'em tomorrow.
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As long as Bradley knows how many outs there are during the playoffs...
he’ll be fine.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 12, 2009 5:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Gotta get there first.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 12, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'll know. The telecasts have the outs and runners on at the top of the screen
Because the way the Cubs look now, that’ll be as close as he gets.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 12, 2009 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depressing
And true. :-(
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
by Allie on Jun 12, 2009 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeesh. Milton, buddy, que pasa?
As you may know, I like the guy and defend him. Hard to defend those plays, and I won’t try. Go get ’em tomorrow I guess.
by Orval Overall on Jun 12, 2009 5:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's wrong to focus on Bradley here
The cubs problem is their lack of offense. Milton Bradley didn’t lose this game for them and hasn’t taken them back to .500 It’s the line of .200ish hitters especially look at the last 30 days.
Soriano .181
Fukudome .197
Soto .239
The Blanco/Miles/Scales AAA monster .193
The only 2 people really hitting right now are Lee and Reed Johnson
by JonH on Jun 13, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are blunders okay if they don't hurt?
I know that isn’t what you mean, Al, but this is ridiculous. It is indicative of other problems to me. He just isn’t thinking. This is what happens on a scuffling team. He needs to get his act together. This kind of stuff spreads around the clubhouse. This team has had lots of mental blunders this year.
Let’s all hope this doesn’t lead to fans booing, and a explosion of some kind from Bradley.
by Nibbles on Jun 12, 2009 5:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Like I said...
… their decision to not give out the license plate frames in the bleachers turned out to be smart. That could have turned real ugly.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 12, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's not forget
The bullpen came in and gave up another 3 runs today!
I sit at home after the Cubs lose and wanna pound sand but I know I live in a state without that kinda land. I know in my heart Sori isn't a guess hitting hack and that Dero will never be back. Pitching is King, some do say and hopefully Aaron Miles doesn't play in a Cub uniform another day. By October this I know, to the playoffs we are for sure to go. Go Cubbies!!
by cubsluver22 on Jun 12, 2009 5:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sean Marshall did a pretty good job.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 12, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you trying to find stuff to
Bee otch about? So the bullpen gave up a couple runs in an extended outing…they have been doing alot better lately
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." --Alvin Dark
by preachermancubsfan on Jun 12, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
didn't have to try very hard.
those three runs were the difference
by WanderingWanderer on Jun 12, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
I sit at home after the Cubs lose and wanna pound sand but I know I live in a state without that kinda land. I know in my heart Sori isn't a guess hitting hack and that Dero will never be back. Pitching is King, some do say and hopefully Aaron Miles doesn't play in a Cub uniform another day. By October this I know, to the playoffs we are for sure to go. Go Cubbies!!
by cubsluver22 on Jun 13, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For God's sake
Besides Marshall (the long reliever), this was the mop up part of the bullpen.
Okay — Heilman needs to do better than this. The other guys are filler.
by vonde6 on Jun 12, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Surprised no words on Dome's day at the plate
3 K’s, 0 for 4.
Is he really spinning at the plate like a whirling dervish these days?
by JFCubFan on Jun 12, 2009 5:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he looks pretty bad.
But Slowey made a lot of Cubs look bad today, not just Fukudome.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 12, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's the whole problem...
with the cubs right now. None of them are working counts and taking pitches to see what a new pitcher has.
I have seen too much of the Cubs taking fastballs right down the middle and then swinging at the next pitch way out of the zone! I thought ML ball players could kill stuff down the middle of the plate? Gotta change the plate discipline, boys!
They are just ALL MESSED UP right now!
If you think you've seen it all...just wait!
by CubFanSince1970 on Jun 12, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, it seemed like they were taking pitches on Friday
the problem was that Slowey doesn’t walk too many guys, and was able to get ahead early in the count. When he was ahead, he put the Cubs away.
When the Cubs did work some walks, that was when they scored 3 runs in the 6th.
The problem to me seems that the Cubs are slow to recognize the pitcher – if Slowey is consistently getting ahead with first-pitch fastballs, then swing at the first pitch – it may the best one you see. If he was working behind, then yes, wait him out and sit on a fastball.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Jun 13, 2009 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it's a little scary seeing him go back to doing his helicoptor thing. Hope he doesn't keep that up.
by katie casey on Jun 12, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When is his hitting coach back?
July?
by chitownhawkeye on Jun 12, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His coach from Japan.
He was here a couple of weeks ago IIRC
by chitownhawkeye on Jun 12, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm starting to lose it.
I got so desperate in the eighth that I put on a rally cap. No, several rally caps. I put all five of my Cubs hats on top of my head and I wasn’t even drinking. This goes against all my values, against everything I stand for. I’m scared what I may do next. Will I try to start the wave? Will I start to enjoy listening to Sirott in the 5th inning? Help!
by katie casey on Jun 12, 2009 5:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Shh. Shh.
It’s three games, and Harden is going tomorrow. Calm your worried mind. We’ll get ’em tomorrow, I promise.
I hope.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jun 13, 2009 1:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley is a Baby!!!
After he got a talking to after his base running error he fell to pieces.
He cannot take it.
by FXDregs on Jun 12, 2009 6:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bradley & Mauer: A mixed bag from Al...
I’m with you on Milton – but Joe Mauer as “perhaps the best hitter in the game today”? Man, I’m gonna be doing some studying and comparing tonight.
Joe, you coulda made us proud!
by copingwiththecubs on Jun 12, 2009 6:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The guy is hitting .413/.488/.762
… with 13 HR and 39 RBI… and that’s having missed the first month of the season.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 12, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like him...
…he’s a fine hitter. But even that red-hot streak can’t beat Albert. Unless you’re parameter is the month and a half Mauer’s been back in action.
Joe, you coulda made us proud!
by copingwiththecubs on Jun 12, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, Mauer is a terrific defensive catcher.
Agreed that Pujols is a great hitter. But Mauer is pretty darn close.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 12, 2009 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
IMO there isn't a better 1-2 punch in baseball than
Mauer and Morneau. Two great hitters
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 12, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pujols may be the best player
but Mauer isn’t that far back at 1b.
He’s really good. Not just on this streak, he’s always been a plus defender at catcher and he’s won batting titles.
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
by Allie on Jun 12, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
More shoddy defensive play
Moving Sori to second is going to be another “gaffe.”
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
"Yeah, Moe, that team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I’ve seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked!" - Homer
by propheteer on Jun 12, 2009 6:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How much worse could it be?
Might as well call Fox back to play 3rd once he’s eligible to return.
At least they’d score once in a while.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 12, 2009 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watch for Hendry
to sign Michael Vick next.
by thermal54 on Jun 13, 2009 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It pains me to say
that I’m happy with my work schedule that I can’t watch most of these games. It feels like every time something goes well, something else goes poorly to offset it. Every time I think they’re turning a corner, the next game goes back to being flat.
It doesn’t feel like they’re progressing.
by chitownhawkeye on Jun 12, 2009 6:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I've been pretty against Soriano playing second
because it would basically ruin any defense we might have had. Now I don’t care, just freaking do it Lou. it doesn’t matter if we can catch the ball or not.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 12, 2009 6:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Unfocused mess of a game
Not too much to say about this one they just looked bad. The guy that looked the worst was the one who provided most of the offense, Bradley.
This is just a reprecussion of wasting so many good pitching perfromances, sooner or later you are going to have to outscore the other team and this team doesn’t seem to be able to do that right now.
Very worried right now.
by jeff_pico on Jun 12, 2009 6:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My guess is Waddell.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 12, 2009 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe patton?
the home run didn’t help his cause
by doofus cubs guy on Jun 12, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
even though he would go back to the rockies i know
by doofus cubs guy on Jun 12, 2009 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I figured it would be him.
Maybe he’ll get to come back up later, when they DFA Miles and/or Freel.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 12, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perfect... I was just saying to myself we need to go to 13 pitchers...
Sarcasm over. Why do we need 13 pitchers?!?!?
by SouthernCub on Jun 12, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, good. 13 pitchers.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 12, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TIme to end the Patton experiment
We need real help in the relief corps (it is actually a corpse right now)
by vonde6 on Jun 12, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fundamentals...
something THE CUBS have had a lot of trouble with.
/fixed
by TheRamZamDLEE on Jun 12, 2009 6:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He seems like a nice guy and everything
But just imagine how much better that 30M couldve been spent
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jun 12, 2009 6:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It amazes me to think some Cardinal fans were upset to see Aaron Miles leave.
The list of second basemen whom I would prefer to see wearing the blue pinstripes is too long to print here, so I will summarize it:
All of them.
"I'll never forget how I felt last October." ~Kosuke Fukudome
by Goodie1969 on Jun 12, 2009 6:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
As a Cardinal fan...
I cannot tell you how happy I was that he did not resign. He is the definition of a replacement level player. Anything he makes over the league minimum is too much. He refuses to walk and is below average at every defensive position.
People in St. Louis would have you believe that he is a gold golv caliber defender at ever position on the diamond and has batting crown potential. These are the same people who do not know what OPS means and think that when a player “scrappy” that translates into being good.
by Salti Cracker on Jun 12, 2009 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
Apparently I need some work proofreading as well. Miles just gets me so worked up I lose focus.
by Salti Cracker on Jun 12, 2009 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's been getting us worked up all season.
It’s not just you. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve gotten irritated this season by his impatient approach at the plate. He tends to take very few pitches per appearance. Hopefully someone here can come up with pitches per appearance.
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 12, 2009 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's awful
Over the winter they were replaying the 2006 World Series and there was a crucial at-bat in Game 4 in the 8th. Molina led off the inning with a walk and all Miles had to do was a lay a bunt down to move a runner to second putting him in scoring position. He did not get the bunt down, and then swung after a couple pitches out of the zone “staying alive” before hitting into a force out at second. Eckstein bailed him out by doubling and driving home the game winning run, but that story is a symbol of how frustratingly crappy the guy is to have on your team. I wish I could tell you it will get better, but I do not want to lie to you.
by Salti Cracker on Jun 12, 2009 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just looked at the box score from that game.
If what he’s been like this season is any indication, I can understand why you’re happy you got rid of him. That at-bat you describe sounds a lot like what he’s been like so far for us, and, as you say, it may not get better.
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 13, 2009 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't wait to finally see Wells win one.
by katie casey on Jun 12, 2009 6:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He's deserved and pitched well enough to have two or three wins.
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 12, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow - Still in the race
Given the lack of hitting, run scoring, poor defense and now today a MILTON MOMENT,
the team is still in the thick of the race
Did I every tell you how much I like the Rockies last week ?
Lets only hope we are still here when RAMI gets back
"If The Phone Doesn't Ring, It's Me"
by parrotinct on Jun 12, 2009 6:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bradley and booing.
I’ve been in his corner but not now. The booing he will suffer will not rival LaTroy Hawkins, it will surpass it and maybe set a Cubs booing record. For 10 million a year and three fingers and an infield and outfield that signal outs, it’s not too much to ask to know how many outs there are. I wish he were hitting .321 as last year but now more than ever I think he’s going to be booed every time he comes up and will not be long for a beautiful cubs uniform. I just don’t see him bouncing back from this AT ALL. If he stays in the Cubs lineup all summer after this, it will be a long summer.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on Jun 12, 2009 6:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I...2...3...yer out
Bradley can’t count. The rest of the team swings badly at the first pitch. Innings over after 5 pitches. I can’t stand it anymore. And to hear my neighbors yap about their beloved Twinkies. I’m sick. I want to leave St Paul…NOW
"It was a wise Man that invented Beer" (Plato)
by LarryCubFan on Jun 13, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Today was the day Milton became a cub!
Is that hitting for the “cubbie occurance” cycle? Oi.
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
by Allie on Jun 12, 2009 6:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I didn't like Lou's reaction after Bradley's mental cramp.
I was watching the Twins broadcast on EI (no WGN on my cable system; bit…). After Bradley threw the ball away and the runners advanced, the camera showed Lou sitting in the dugout chuckling.
You know, the players weren’t laughing; Bradley wasn’t; the fans certainly weren’t. Everyone was embarrassed, angry or both, except the manager. Why? What was so funny? Losing? Has Lou stopped caring?
Lou Piniella lost my respect when he announced that the Soriano “experiment” was over after only trying it for a couple of days. (Only in Chicago putting your top HR hitter to bat 3rd is an “experiment”. Come up with a better explanation, please!) Now, with his lackadaisical attitude, after his urge to dismantle this team during the winter and leaving it with no offense and no bench, I believe it’s time for Lou to seriously think what he is doing (or not doing).
There. That’s my rant. Agree or disagree, or don’t care. I just had to vent. (Thanks for the chance, Al)
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 12, 2009 6:45 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
maybe I missed it but I thought he looked pretty mad? I didn't specifically think he was chuckling.
Maybe its one of those things where he laughs to keep from crying.
by jeff_pico on Jun 12, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on what broadcast we saw.
That’s TV. I watched the Twins broadcast. They showed Lou laughing after Bradley’s mistake in the 8th.
I just saw the Cubs broadcast on MLB. com and they showed Lou frowning and very serious.
Different moments, different pictures.
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 12, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lou on the pregame
wanted to shake up the lineup and put veterans up early and be able to hit and run and do what it takes at the bottom of the order. Instead, I think he needs to pick up some players by the back of the neck and shake them up. I could take losing but not like this. I’m tired of all the frustration associated with our team. It’s time to put an extension cord in the shower and give this team a jolt!
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on Jun 12, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was listening
to WFAN out of New York today coming home from work. Jerry Manuel was being interviewed. He made the comparison of his Mets and Phillies, He said " We are playing with a spark, The Phillies play with a fire" Insert the Cubs with playing with a spark, or maybe no spark.
This team right now has no belly, no guts. Goodness Soriano at 2b, oh my. This will be interesting. But you know, what else are you suppose to do? Miles, Scales, and Blanco, yikes.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Jun 12, 2009 6:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Put the blame squarely where it belongs
right on Jim Hendry. He has done this to Lou like Dusty got the shaft in 2006. Crappy decisions must not be excused. We need an owner in place that someone has to answer to.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on Jun 12, 2009 6:51 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Meh
This team should play better than this. The guys are out there that have perfromed in the past. This team isn’t suffereing from a lack of talent.
by jeff_pico on Jun 12, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Should, could, maybe
if.
They just are not.
by The E-Man on Jun 12, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not now, not yet
102 games to go.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 12, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I admire your
perseverance to optimism with the Cubs Bruce. You are a good guy.
I just don’t see it and pray to the baseball gods I am wrong.
We are “counting” on everything being OK when A-Ram returns.
Will it be too late.
by The E-Man on Jun 12, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
So how is it Hendry’s fault that guys that have produced in the majors before aren’t?
Sure 2b is a complete black hole but other teams could have a black hole and hit them 8th and not have to worry about it.
by jeff_pico on Jun 12, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
C'mon Pico
trading the best insurance policy in baseball for a combo of Miles and Fontenot?
by The E-Man on Jun 12, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Super Derosa would cure all the problems on this team?
It goes way deeper than that.. they are ALL slumping. One guy isn’t going to change the season around.
by jeff_pico on Jun 12, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is on Soriano, Bradley, Lee, Soto
Those 4 were all expected to hit…so far they haven’t although Lee has started to turn it around.
by jeff_pico on Jun 12, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You may notice
Lee is one of the only ones hitting?
by The E-Man on Jun 12, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not saying that
but he may be worth 4-5 more wins than we have now in A-RAM’S ABSENCE.
by The E-Man on Jun 12, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think you can solely blame Hendry.
I think he went out and got this team because Lou asked him to.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 12, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding
I have said before Hendry’s big problem is getting the players the managers want instead of building his one team like Theo and others. Lou wanted a more " versatile " and left handed team & Hendry got it for him. I am convinced that if Lou told Hendry I want Ibanez not Bradley than Hendry would have gone after Ibanez. They share the blame here.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 12, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The blame game
is counterproductive at this time of the season. The only important issue now is improving the team immediately. We are under performing on offense and over performing in starting pitching. At the end of the season we can assess blame.
It does seem that moving Soriano to 2nd will only create another net loss for the team. Fontenot who should be platooning at 2B is playing out of position at 3B. Now we’re supposed to put a gimpy Soriano at 2B? Then add Hoffpauir to the mix as someone out of position. This is the thought process of the captain of the Titanic. Just bring back Fox and put him at 3B. Hit him 5th and move Fontenot to 2B.
If you like Selig's handling of the steroid issue, you'll love his choice for next Cub owner.
by tharr on Jun 12, 2009 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It makes sense. We need more hitting. Why are we not taking advantage of Fox's bat?
Good point, Tharr.
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 12, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
because this is the freakin NATIONAL LEAGUE
and you have to be able to PLAY A POSITION!
Fox hasn’t yet showed that he can do that.
My friend Phil is convinced, after seeing Alfonso Soriano at 2B for the first time this year with Micah Hoffpauir in LF in the 9th inning, that Lou will do that on a starting basis tomorrow. “Book it”, Phil said. We’ll see.
I highly doubt this.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 12, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand. All we're saying is we need to score more runs.
A defensive trade-off may be necessary.
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 12, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if that defensive trade off
loses more runs than it nets, it’s not a good trade. Just saying.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 12, 2009 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And if it's a net gain
then do it. The point is, until we actually see him play we can only guess at how the move would work out for us. Can you offer another suggestion to improve the offense without
1. Waiting for ARam to return
2. Making a trade which seems unlikely
3. Hoping we’ll break out of the slump tomorrow.
If you like Selig's handling of the steroid issue, you'll love his choice for next Cub owner.
by tharr on Jun 12, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm simpy going to trust
Alan Trammel. Fox was working with him before being sent back down; I can’t imagine that if Fox were ready, Trammel would have had him sit. To me, that’s a big indictment of Fox’s defensive abilities.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 12, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I appreciate what you're saying
BUT desperate times call for desperate measures.
If you like Selig's handling of the steroid issue, you'll love his choice for next Cub owner.
by tharr on Jun 13, 2009 1:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's how I look at it.
When the Twins go up 2-0 in the 3rd, how did that feel, knowing how the offense has performed? Did it feel like it was 10-0, Twins, given the offense?
I would take Fox at 3B (with Fontenot at 2B), or in LF, or Hoffpauir in LF with Soriano at 2B, if it meant that the Cubs could win some 7-4 games instead of relying on 3-2 wins or the occasional 7-1 win versus the Brian Moehler’s of the world.
At some point, the Cubs will have to sacrifice defense for offense over the next month, given the offensive struggles. And if Fox can be a part of that and actually provide a spark and some offense, then I’m all for it.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Trey2317 on Jun 13, 2009 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
YEP YOU SAID IT.....
I wish I could tell people that it may get better…..The bottom line is that it may not….They need a owner in place to deal with some real issues and that they don’t have….
by cubs north on Jun 12, 2009 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The booing...
I am REALLY trying to not boo this year.
It is hard.
I booed Miles after his one-pitch feeble out – but I was so surprised by what Bradley did that I put my head in my hands.
Finally, with this Bradley-occurrence today, I predict it will be the beginning for the end this year as a productive player. The fans have turned on him with everything it was so obvious to me. It is going to be JJ redux – and then some, imo.
Jim Hendry – you truly sucked this offseason and we are all stuck with your bullshit!
by The E-Man on Jun 12, 2009 6:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's funny
I kept track of the game using the Yahoo box score like I usually do (it’s less graphic intensive than Gameday) and I had no idea Bradley was the goat. I figured “At least Milton got some hits and scored some runs!”
"I don't think anybody's paying attention to the Cubs." - Prince Fielder
by jasoniniowa on Jun 12, 2009 6:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He went from almost hitting
a GRand Slam – to complete “knuckle-head”
by The E-Man on Jun 12, 2009 6:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's kind.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on Jun 12, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
- sigh -
what can we say. $10MM a year.
On the DL every 10 games.
Suspension.
Hitting around .200
Takes too many pitches!
The GM was sold a false bill of sale!
by The E-Man on Jun 12, 2009 7:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Takes too many pitches?
I understand what you’re saying, but I’d like some of the other players to take a couple instead of hacking at the first thing they see.
Striking out looking is painful, but 5 pitch innings hurt more, IMHO.
by chitownhawkeye on Jun 12, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He said "takes too many pitches", not just "takes pitches"
There’s a difference. It’s good to take pitches but not to take too many of them. You have to know when to swing at them. I believe that’s what E-Man meant and said.
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 12, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think Hendry did his homework
on milton. After being on seven teams in 10 years and traded four times, you think jim might have and tried to find out why.
by hoppy91 on Jun 12, 2009 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My, but you're chatty.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jun 13, 2009 2:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley and lou need to get their cliches in sync.
From MLB (Muskrat):
Bradley: “If I stayed [on second base], maybe he [Joe crede] throws home and we don’t score a run.”
Lou:
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 12, 2009 7:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
wow
Bradley, Bradley. At this rate I don’t know if this guy is going to survive Chicago. Its an obvious base running blunder and Quade chewed him out for it, which was VERY surprising to see on the field. Thats a pretty BS excuse. He should just stop talking to the media before it gets any worse.
by jeff_pico on Jun 12, 2009 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My bad. Incomplete post.
I clicked on the “post” button before I finished writing.
I completed the post below.
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 12, 2009 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley and Lou need to get their cliches in sync (My bad. Incomplete post above.)
From MLB (Muskat):
Bradley: "If I stayed [on second base], maybe he [Joe crede] throws home and we don’t score a run."
Lou: “That was a bad baserunning play.”
Lou: “I’m sure he’s somewhat embarrassed by it.”
Bradley: “I wasn’t embarrassed.”
Milton, please, man up.
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 12, 2009 7:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
read the rest of his comments too
…I wasn’t a Bradley hater before this game…I wasn’t a Bradley hater after he had all those gaffe’s today…but I am a Bradley hater after those stupid post game comments.
by desmoCubbie on Jun 12, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
stunning comments....anything short of an apology is abusrd.
……I have lost all respect for that clown. I was in RF today and literally turned around in embarrassment.
by JB 23 on Jun 12, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We were betw. 3rd and home
pretty close. Did the RF bleachers tear him a new one? Or all scramble after the ball??
by The E-Man on Jun 12, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about an apology
but his “Sue Me” line doesn’t sit well with me. With all apologies to Dennis Green, Milton Bradley is who I thought he was. An average bat who had a career year last year, and has some attitude problems
by WanderingWanderer on Jun 12, 2009 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except
it’s entirely possible that Bradley’s right about the first one.
The second one, eh. Brain fart. Didn’t cost us anything.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 12, 2009 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone who saw it said Crede was conceding the run
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 12, 2009 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley is a waste of human flesh...
Bradley is the worse thing to happen to the Cubs since Steve Bartman. This guy is a piece of sh*t who should return his $30 million to the Cubs. He’s a worthless sack of cr*p who goes on the DL for a hang nail. Hope he doesn’t play 75 games so we can be done with this idiot.
by cubssuk09 on Jun 12, 2009 8:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You've waited since May 22 to say this?
Interesting first comment.
"I'll never forget how I felt last October." ~Kosuke Fukudome
by Goodie1969 on Jun 12, 2009 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love comments
from people who say they should return the money. As if you would do that in his shoes. Sure, it’s turning out of the bad roster and salary move, but seriously, guys who are signing for this sort of cash aren’t suddenly going to become altruistic and tell the team they don’t need to honor the contract.
This is the difference between the strength of the MLB players union, and the NFL players union. There, they can dump you and cut loses. Here, you’re getting paid.
by chitownhawkeye on Jun 12, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I share your sentiments on Bradley
while I was in favor of signing Abreu instead, I wish Milton nothing but the best and want him to succeed. I will want him to succeed for as long as he is a Cub, but in my mind it’s painful to watch sometimes knowing that there were other options out there which I think were a better fit for our team. Yes, he lost a ball in the sun and that’s certainly not his fault (in fact, I thought he deked the runner fairly well on that play), but not knowing how many outs there are is inexcusable, and if I were Lou Piniella I would’ve pulled him out of the game immediately had the personnel been available.
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jun 12, 2009 8:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Personally, I wasn't
angry about him losing a ball in the sun. It is one of, if not – THE – hardest RF sun field in the MLB. And, the guy has been a DH recently for Pete’s sake!
However, the manager has to put the team in the best position to win.
Dome does not lose the ball in the RF sun – as far as I can recall.
Also – I’d have to say with a fair amount of certainty in my opinion, that Fukudome would have caught at least the ball that Bradley missed on the dive in RF, saving a run.
by The E-Man on Jun 12, 2009 8:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
here is my issue...I sat in RF today
… after losing the ball in the sun, Bradley was obsessed with what the fans were saying etc. (which was incredibly mild from my experience, most of the vocal heckling was from Twins fans) He was so consumed with “proving himself” that he obviously lost count of the outs and was more concerned with trying to prove himself to the fans (which is immature and pointless) than playing the game.
More concerning to me is that Lou didn’t immediately send him home after the fact…anything short of a significant reprimand is a lack of leadership because the players will have his back…..and please don’t give the " he knows he made a mistake BS" and "he is a veteran" He is unfocused, lacking discipline and a mess right now.
by JB 23 on Jun 12, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dome has lost the ball in the sun
more than once. He’s made boneheaded plays more than once. He’s missed balls diving more than once.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 12, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I repeat: I do not want Bradley to fail. But I’m getting a little tired of him always being the negative story.
He’s the negative story because you chose to make him so. You could have led off with “Milton Bradley provided half the runs scored by the Cubs today, and batted .500 for the day but had some errors in a day punctuated with Randy Wells’ worst start of the season” and it would have been just as true.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 12, 2009 8:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I do think that this was written looking at his season as a whole
batting .220 with multiple baserunning and fielding gaffes, along with trips to the DL and him grabbing his leg every other game, and I’m sure you can see why it gets frustrating for some of us.
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jun 12, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
as far as I know
Bradley’s been on the DL once. He’s played three times as many games as Ramirez. He’s hitting better than Soto and Soriano.
I’m frustrated too. But let’s be reasonable.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 12, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Valid points
but, hitting better than Soriano and Soto is not good enough. Incidentally, Soriano is hitting .237 while Bradley is hitting .224, so that statement is not true. Nevertheless, I understand your point. He is not THE reason we are struggling, but he is part of it. Finger pointing is easy since he is a new acquisition, and I think that’s something we should all be careful of. There are quite a few members of our team that are underachieving so far this year, let’s hope they all pick it up so we can go on a nice winning streak.
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jun 12, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry
I meant to say “in may and june”.
I just think Bradley gets a lot of crap that other players don’t get, and I really don’t think it’s deserved a lot of the time.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 12, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a pile of crap
and anybody who doesn’t believe that is living in a pollyana fantasy world. He can’t play a lick of defense in the outfield because he can’t run or count to three. He was listening to the fans in RF today instead of paying attention to the game. His head is up his ass and plays only for himself. All that being said, playing Aaron Miles is even a bigger mistake than having Bradley out there. Lou only plays him becasue they’re paying him more than any other 2nd basemen he’s got. He hasn’t earned the right to even be considered a starter and yet he gets the start. Lou is out of mind and did not play to win today with Miles out there and letting Patton come in to give up the final nail in the coffin.
"He can't hit, he can't field, he can't run—all he can do is beat you."
by Itchy on Jun 13, 2009 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The above post
is a pile of crap. A big, stinking, maggot-filled pile of it.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 13, 2009 1:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The above post
should not be allowed on this site.
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Jun 13, 2009 7:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's an easy retort to that post, but . . .
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 13, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was thinking the same thing
i bet you would have gotten that retort at Bizzaro you know where…
by LT on Jun 13, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right...
The story could have just as easily been: “Randy Wells finally had his first rough outing” or “the pitching couldn’t contain the Twins bats”
I think this is more of a complaint about Bradley’s season than his game, which was good at the plate (he nearly had a 3rd hit and third RBI late in the game) but bad in the field and on the bases.
But you’re right – Bradley’s gaffes weren’t the only negative stories of the game, and they weren’t the entirety of his performance.
by SouthernCub on Jun 12, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. And I, for one, am not blaming this loss on Bradley
by any stretch of the imagination. But, in general, I am very frustrated with his play to this point. Today, it was all about pitching (or lack thereof)
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jun 12, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's certainly a true statement, but.......
it doesn’t paint an accurate picture. It was Wells’ FIRST poor start of the season and one of MANY poor performances by Bradley this year.
How about:
You could have led off with "Milton Bradley finally provided half the runs scored by the Cubs today, and batted .500 for the day to raise his anemic average to about .220 but had some errors and an inexcusable blunder in a day punctuated with Randy Wells’ first poor start of the season"
If you had to choose just one characteristic that would get you through life, choose a sense of humor.
by Clutche on Jun 12, 2009 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The three worst contracts in baseball
might be in our outfield
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
by DC Cubbie on Jun 12, 2009 8:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The contracts are bad, but they aren't the worst...
Jason Schmidt, Barry Zito, Gary Matthews Jr, Eric Chavez, Andruw Jones, and others have to be in consideration.
But I agree that we’re not getting the bang for the buck so far from our OF, where we have about $40 million invested this year.
by SouthernCub on Jun 12, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Soriano’s contract is among the ugliest in baseball right now. Kosuke is ridiculously overpaid for what he is. And Bradley is a ticking timebomb of a mess.
Jim Hendry continues to cut blank checks to make up for his deficiencies in building a strong minor league system. Even the LA Dodgers, NY Yankees and Boston Red Sox understand the importance of a strong farm system as formula for winning.
You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little messed up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?
by BLou on Jun 12, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a .500 style ballclub finding a way to play .500 type baseball
At this point can anybody say with a straight face that ugly games like this are surprising to them? These ugly games have become standard fare for the 2009 Cubs.
This is not a good ballclub. We will struggle all season long to get to the 83 or 84 win mark.
You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little messed up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?
by BLou on Jun 12, 2009 9:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What makes me mad and sad is...
that you may be right.
I wish this team to suceed. But it’s painful to watch them play right now.
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 12, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah really
hate to see BLou actually making sense :(
by jeff_pico on Jun 12, 2009 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except that BLou is not correct...
this is a team with above-.500 talent but several players underperforming and dealing with a few key injuries.
Have the Cubs performed like a .500 team to this point? Absolutely. But Soriano, Lee, Soto, and Bradley have underperformed overall to this point, and Ramirez has been out for a month.
It’s not a .500-caliber team. It’s a talented team underperforming.
by SouthernCub on Jun 12, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hope your right
but as every day passes not much changes. Its definitely not too late.
by jeff_pico on Jun 12, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I don't know if it WILL get better or not...
Just that it CAN get better.
by SouthernCub on Jun 12, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to respectfully disagree with that assessment
The rationalization process that continues to be employed when talking Soriano, Soto, Bradley and the Cub offense has passed it’s expiration date. What you’re also not paying enough attention to is the fact that the Cubs have been blessed with exceptional starting pitching for weeks. Without the starting pitching coming through the way it has we would be 10 games under .500 at this point.
You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little messed up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?
by BLou on Jun 12, 2009 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you don't think those guys I mentioned are underperforming?
If so, then we’ll have to agree to disagree.
by SouthernCub on Jun 12, 2009 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with both of you.
The guys you mentioned ARE underperforming, but they are underperforming so much that without the excellent starting pitching we would be 10 games under .500 at this point.
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jun 12, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But I don't think the starting rotation is wildly overperforming...
aside from Wells, but we haven’t actually been very successful in his starts anyway. And he’s been replacing the injured Harden, who is talented.
In other words, we should EXPECT the rotation to pitch well. They’re doing what we should expect from them. Thus, the 10 games under comment is irrelevant. The good starting pitching isn’t likely to suddenly go away.
by SouthernCub on Jun 12, 2009 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very well said
and I see where you’re coming from. And, I agree with you. The good starting pitching isn’t going to go away, I expect. It has been exceptionally good over the past couple of weeks though, and I don’t think it’s realistic to expect it to stay THAT good for the rest of the year.
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jun 12, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But it won't HAVE to be that good all year
As the offense has been exceptionally BAD during that stretch.
by SouthernCub on Jun 12, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely.
there’s no way the offense will be this bad all year. I just hope we snap out of this funk soon so that we can run off a hot steak.
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jun 12, 2009 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too... me too...
I’m not saying things will get better. Just that it can get better, and maybe even should get better.
by SouthernCub on Jun 12, 2009 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
Yes, Soriano the guess hitting hack is underperforming. Eventually he will go on one or two of his patented hot streaks and have the glitzy personal statistics to show for it. I can’t stand the guy, but that’s a whole other discussion thread.
Yes, Bradley will get going.
Soto? He was a one-year wonder and my suspicions of him being a former juicer won’t be swayed. We have a crisis behind the plate. Unless of course you are convinced Koyie Hill is something more than what he is.
Lee? He’s in decline phase and giving this team about what he has to give at this point.
Kosuke? He is what he is and doing about what he is ever going to do. Lord help us if he disappears like he did in 2008.
Theriot? He is an overachiever who gives you everything he’s got. I’m hard pressed to think he will do more than what he is going at present.
Fontenot? A journeyman minor leaguer being horribly over-exposed in a role he is unsuited for. Waiting for him to heat up is not advisable.
Ramirez? Without question the best and most important member of the Cub offense since 2003. But I’m not expecting him to carry this team on his back when / if he returns. In fact at this stage I’m inclined to see him go under the knife and get that shoulder fixed for the long haul.
You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little messed up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?
by BLou on Jun 12, 2009 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree to disagree on Soto and Lee...
And thank you for agreeing that Soriano and Bradley are underperforming. You have just proved my point – that the team is underperforming, and thus is better than a .500 team (in talent) but has simply been a .500 team (in performance).
by SouthernCub on Jun 12, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The starting pitching won't maintain this sort of goodness all summer
Not during the dog days of summer at Wrigley and not with that bullpen of ours. The starting pitching is an asset, but unfortunately we were unable to take full advantage of them doing a strong job for a couple months.
My honest to goodness win projection total for the season? 79 wins. Yep.
You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little messed up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?
by BLou on Jun 12, 2009 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure it will
the starting pitching has been exactly as good as it was last year. Why do you think it will get worse?
by SouthernCub on Jun 12, 2009 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Law of averages says injuries and ineffectiveness will bite
Look, I’m not saying the starting pitching isn’t good. It is good. But we did not take advantage of a strong and healthy streak chalked in by this group. And when you don’t do those sorts of things then at the end of the season you look in hindsight and realize why you didn’t win nearly as many games as you thought your team was good enough to do.
Rich Harden has been on the shelf, but Randy Wells has been pitching over his head and we have hardly noticed.
You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little messed up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?
by BLou on Jun 12, 2009 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Injuries and ineffectiveness have already bitten
The law of averages would suggest we’re due for some good fortune soon.
by SouthernCub on Jun 12, 2009 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We shall have to disagree on that
You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little messed up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?
by BLou on Jun 12, 2009 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really hope you're right.
To this point, even bad luck would be better than the luck we’ve gotten.
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 12, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is no law of averages...just so u know.
by desmoCubbie on Jun 13, 2009 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, there's Vern Law...
…and his career ERA+ was 101. That’s pretty close to average, yes?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jun 13, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You seem to be under the mistaken impression...
that the starting pitching has been uncharacteristically good this year. It hasn’t. It’s been on aggregate exactly what we expected, in spite of Harden underperforming and being injured.
The starting pitching shouldn’t be expected to get worse, while the offense should get better (especially when Ramirez comes back). Hence, it’s an above-.500 team in talent.
by SouthernCub on Jun 12, 2009 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So the starting pitching will get worse
but the hitting won’t get better.
You make absolutely no sense.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 12, 2009 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just finish over .500 and complete the sale to Ricketts
and I’ll be happy with 2009.
by CaliCub on Jun 12, 2009 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have higher expectations
though of course you did not say how far over .500
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 12, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
which is why baseball
is a team sport. Because of the exceptional pitching, we’re NOT 10 games under .500, and still within striking distance of first place.
This isn’t a .500 team. It may end up playing .500 baseball, but the potential is much greater.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 12, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, go soak your head.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jun 13, 2009 2:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cards lose
Kerry would have gotten the save but silly Indians scored two extra runs in the bottom 8th so not a save situation
Alas Brewers up 3-2 on White Sox.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 12, 2009 9:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Milton really is a piece of garbage
I admit when I am wrong about a ballplayer, and I was wrong about Bradley. I am extraordinarily dumbfounded by his excuse making and refusal to be held accountable. I don’t blame him for having a bad day. Those things do happen. But man this guy is toxic. More toxic then I could have ever imagined. I thought he had turned a new leaf in Texas last year. But I was wrong.
Milton is a bad dude. It will be very interesting to see how he handles the crowd at Wrigley. Cub fans read the papers and listen to the radio Milton. Your mouth is going to bury you alive in this city. If it hasn’t already.
You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little messed up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?
by BLou on Jun 12, 2009 9:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I have to admit, his postgame comments did irk me quite a bit
And I know that I’m not alone in that thought.
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jun 12, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are we going to see " 1 out" and "2 out" cards in the bleachers...........
to replace “K” cards
If you had to choose just one characteristic that would get you through life, choose a sense of humor.
by Clutche on Jun 12, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, but what we are going to see and hear is the jackasses riding his ass hard
And it will be interesting to see how Bradley reacts. This is a man with a violent and angry past who has also been known to run up into the stands. This is also a team with an element of fans who have also been known to flash ugly racist hatred toward players. Remember Jacque Jones? He was a nice guy who wasn’t very at baseball with the Cubs and some of the fans absolutely brutalized the guy in a highly reprehensible manner. Milton ain’t even a nice guy. So imagine the formula that could be brewing.
You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little messed up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?
by BLou on Jun 12, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure he could have defused the situation........
with an apology instead of a line of B.S.
If you had to choose just one characteristic that would get you through life, choose a sense of humor.
by Clutche on Jun 12, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you there...
It’s not a good mix. Bradley has never been the type to handle adversity well, and Cubs fans can be brutal on struggling players.
Hopefully he starts hitting really soon and has some positive moments. Otherwise, it could get ugly really fast.
by SouthernCub on Jun 12, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On another note
Al, the Twins fans were, in part, there courtesy of Joe Mauer. Len said that Mauer had literally bought hundreds of tickets for this series. Other than that, I figure most were your basic baseball tourists, who seldom get the chance to see their team at Wrigley.
by helen on Jun 12, 2009 9:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I just hope they were nicer than Cardinals fans.
Even White Sox fans at Wrigley were nicer. I hope the Twins fans could talk baseball to Cubs fans.
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 12, 2009 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, they were.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 13, 2009 5:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's good.
I went to a Cubs-Cardinals game at Wrigley in July 2006. After the Cubs won, some Cardinals fans who were sore losers aimed chewing gum in my direction.
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 13, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Mauer bought "hundreds" of tickets.
But there were a lot more Twins fans there than that.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 13, 2009 5:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree, I would say it was about 50% Twins fans, certainly where I was sitting.
…and on the whole they were great fans, asking questions about the Cubs, Wrigley etc.
by JB 23 on Jun 13, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
13 pitchers?
With our low octane offense does this make sense at all? How would that have worked out last week with all the extra inning games, Lou? Scales at least looked like he wants to be out on the field.
by Nibbles on Jun 12, 2009 9:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It makes no sense to carry 13 pitchers...
but the team has committed itself to keeping Patton on the roster, and Waddell has been productive. We’re going to carry 13 pitchers but only use 11.
by SouthernCub on Jun 12, 2009 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our Bench is paper thin...
I understand that Fox is brutal in the field but we somehow managed to survive with D ward on our team for 2 years. Ward was not exactly flashing leather out there. Micah has emerged as a servicable piece in the outfield so it takes some of the liability off carrying Fox.
Our bench consists of Blanco, Reed, Micah, and Hill. Hill is not really an option most days since you have to keep your backup catcher on the bench till the last possible moment. I guess lets hope that Z is in the cage everyday taking BP…we are going to need his Bat in PH situations.
"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb
by TheRiot Police on Jun 12, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ward
is equivalent to Hoffpauir, not Fox. Ward could play a passable first and OF.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 12, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
I am willing to give it a try at this point. I would at least like for him to give you the opportunity to prove you write. :).
"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb
by TheRiot Police on Jun 12, 2009 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately
Hoffpauir’s bat has cooled down to resemble Ward’s lately.
by madcow256 on Jun 13, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reds lose
Brewers beating the crap out of White Sox , something I would love on almost any other day.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 12, 2009 9:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It could be worse today
you could be a Mets Fan watching your ace closer induce a pop up to AROD only to see your aging 2nd basemen drop it and allow the tying and game winning run to score. It was brutal.
"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb
by TheRiot Police on Jun 12, 2009 10:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Is that how they scored ?
I was channel surfing and I heard a scream out my window. I knew it meant the Yankees had scored but I assumed it was a hit. Yankees Vs Mets is sort of like Cardinals Vs Brewers. Exhausted bullpens and bad plays are about the only thing I root for.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 12, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Runners on 1st and 2nd…2 outs…a Can of Corn to Castillo just into the outfield grass, hit the heal of his glove and popped out. Did not use two hands…but not sure if it would have mattered.
"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb
by TheRiot Police on Jun 12, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am gonna keep my fingers crossed
That Milton turns it around in the second half.. his bat is slowly coming back, but mistakes like what he did today can add up…
The absence of Ramirez is hurting the entire offense.. Lee and Bradley will improve with Ramirez’s return, kind of like A-Rods return to the Yankees and how that improved the rest of their lineup. Still not an excuse, but things will look up from here..
……I hope
Don't assault me and I won't assault you, because you don't know what I will, or won't, do. I'm going to end it with that. - Milton Bradley 2003 to Paul Lo Duca
by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jun 12, 2009 10:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Excuse me if this has been mentioned at some point in the past...
but with all the Jim Hendry off-season blunders that have been covered over and over again, shouldn’t the non-re-signing of Jim Edmonds be added to this list?
Seems like the Cubs could really use him right now… He was the type of hitter who could come through once in awhile in important situations as a (drum roll) LEFT-HANDED bat, and also play solid defense.
Now I understand they had plenty of outfielders and no sensible place for Edmonds with the acquisition of Bradley, but I sure wouldn’t mind having Edmonds in the lineup in a time like this…he was dependable.
Sorry for the rant, I have just been trying to think about what is wrong with this team in comparison to last year without using the word “Mark” or “Derosa.”
Everyone knows it, but Hendry really missed the “Mark” this offseason.
by mic on Jun 12, 2009 11:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If Edmonds was such a sure thing
someone else would have picked him up. Instead, he’s serving drinks at his bar and modeling cut-off tees.
I grew to like Jim Edmonds. He did very well last year. But defense, especially in the outfield, is NOT our problem, and there’s no guarantee Edmonds was going to be able to continue to hit. He was used carefully and well last year. But Dome in CF is better.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 12, 2009 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is the defense not a problem? Everything is a problem with this team.
The defense has been poor this season. Soriano does not know how to cut of a ball and Bradley out there in right today was really pathetic. I’m not going to go into all the “what ifs” because none of his blunders turned out to be really costly and the Cubs are stuck with the players on their roster. But I can tell you Edmonds/Fukudome (whoever would be in right if Edmonds was on the team) would have 1. Kept track of the ball in the sun 2. Known how many outs there were and 3. Made that diving catch.
I won’t keep ragging on Bradley, and I know that two of the three things I named are excusable (especially not making the diving catch), but my point is that it would be nice to have a complete player—or at least one who knows the fundamentals of the game.
Also about your comment—“there’s no guarantee Edmonds was going to be able to continue to hit.” What is that supposed to mean? Are we not allowed to look at his previous years’ numbers as some indication? His numbers were excellent for a player being paid the league minimum. The Cubs probably could have re-signed him for cheap again this year, since nobody else picked him up. They had their chance to. I thought we were guaranteed Bradley would hit?
by mic on Jun 12, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True that about Edmonds.
I wasn’t too sure why they signed him last year, but after he turned things around in June 2008 (including hitting two opposite-field shots in one inning at a game I went to last year), I started thinking they might give some thought to keeping him.
Do you think he could have kept it up for this year?
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 12, 2009 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't really think
he wanted to come back. He was interviewed about month ago at Joe Buck’s golf tourney in STL and he indicated that he was enjoying retirement and spending time with his young children.
Since he has shown no signs of Farveitis…I will take him at his word.
"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb
by TheRiot Police on Jun 12, 2009 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's good.
For someone to do what Favre is doing just drives me crazy. I’m glad Edmonds is enjoying his retirement, and I hope he continues to enjoy it.
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 12, 2009 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The one thing that
I thought Lou did right today…was the lineup.
He appeared to attempt to try to lengthing the lineup so there was not so much dead weight at the back end. It did not work, but I liked the attempt.
"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb
by TheRiot Police on Jun 12, 2009 11:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
With Scales and Fox sent down, A-Ram out and Fontenot playing 3B:
Who are the IF backups now? Hoffpauir for 1B, Miles and Soriano for the rest? Ouch! “Great job”, Jim and Lou! (in sarcasm font) Meanwhile, we have 13 pitchers on the roster. Beautiful! (in sarcasm font)
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 12, 2009 11:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good point...
so we should be expecting to see Soriano at 2B pretty often in the next couple of games…?
by mic on Jun 12, 2009 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wheres Blanco?
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
by Allie on Jun 12, 2009 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On 2B.
Unless Miles is the second baseman, then Blanco backs up.
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 13, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blacno is the backup middle infielder - not Soriano...
Soriano is the emergency backup.
Our backups are:
Hill – C
Blanco – 2B/SS
Hoffpauir – 1B/OF
Johnson – OF
by SouthernCub on Jun 13, 2009 7:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not optimistic for the rest of the season
And I’m usually optimistic by nature.
I can’t believe it, but I am in complete agreement with BLou on the topic of Hendry
This organization is a mess. No minor league system, and when not allowed to spend like a drunken sailor, Hendry has no ability to improve a ballclub.
Two years for Miles. Joey Gathright. 12 (now 13) pitchers. Yeah, he’s made some good trades, but the Marlins and Pirates were in giveaway mode with Lee, Ramirez, Lofton. The Pierre trade looked stupid to most Cub fans when it happened. None of us were happy with the 2008-2009 off-season.
Hendry deserves a bit of a pass for Soriano – they were trying to change the mindset of the Cubs not being a premiere destination for free-agents, and he was the best out there at the time. I was ok with the Bradley signing – but there’s got to be discipline. Piniella and/or Hendry has to get the reins on Bradley, Zambrano . . .
Maybe it’s the NyQuil causing this, but I am not excited at all about Cubs baseball right now. I think the Cardinals are the best team in the division – but I will watch again tomorrow to see if the Cubs can get back to 2.5 games out.
Maybe they should carry 25 pitchers – the pitchers are the only ones doing anything, anyway.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 12, 2009 11:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The same Cardinals team
that just got swept by the Rockies and got schooled tonight by the Indians?
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 13, 2009 1:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
At least they have a winning record.
I did say someof it might be the NyQuil, but the Cubs have yet to show the ability to go on a sustained winning streak. There are a lot of holes on the team.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 13, 2009 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Twins fans around me in the bleachers today
were by far the biggest douche bags I have ever been around out there, bigger that Cardinal, Brewer, or any other fans(I have never been out there with Sox fans though). It was just the guys I was sitting near, it was Twins fans all over, in the concourse, streets, and in Murphy’s.
"He can't hit, he can't field, he can't run—all he can do is beat you."
by Itchy on Jun 13, 2009 12:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Correction
I meant: It wasn’t just the guys I was sitting near, it was Twins fans all over, in the concourse, streets, and in Murphy’s.
"He can't hit, he can't field, he can't run—all he can do is beat you."
by Itchy on Jun 13, 2009 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Been out there with Sox fans
They’re fun – kinda like your little brother bragging about how much shinier his Christmas toys are than yours. Then you look at them, and remind them that the toys they’re playing with are really the tinsel off the tree, and that a hunk of that “toy” is currently hanging out of the cat’s butt.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jun 13, 2009 2:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
*remind *him*
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jun 13, 2009 2:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Were your parents veterinary proctologists?
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Jun 13, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watching the Twins play baseball is a joy and testament to the essence of the sport.
Making the MOST of what you have. Fundamentally sound in all aspects of the game. Not complaining or whining at the umpires when things don’t go right. No excuses.
A total team effort with great coaching and managing.
People look at the Twins and wonder how they stay in contention every year as a small market team in a bad ballpark. Well, the “how” was in full display Friday afternoon at Wrigley.
And I’m saying this as a die-hard Cubs and Tigers fan.
The Twins simply do the game proud.
Go Green! Go White! GO STATE!
King Leonidas: Spartans! What is your profession?
Spartans: HA-OOH! HA-OOH! HA-OOH!
by Zeke on Jun 13, 2009 6:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. Playing the game with respect, and with fundamentals.
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Jun 13, 2009 7:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Painful
That’s the only word I have for this team right now.
by rlpete on Jun 13, 2009 8:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bradley would be hard pressed to get off to a worse start to his Cubs career.
His day of bloopers yesterday (at least tossing the ball to the fans) wasn’t that costly but not the kind of game to have when you have been slow to contribute (and when you lose at home).
I m beginning to have some small doubts about this team putting anything together, but there’s still plenty of time to get it going and there are some quality players on this team. Still in good position just painful to watch games like yesterday.
by DudeVf11 on Jun 13, 2009 9:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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