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A Premptive Strike Against Those Who'll Crucify Bradley...


We all have mental hiccups at work, at home, in life. We all make the occasional brain fart. We just don't go to work in front of a million people every afternoon.

Yes, it was bad. Yes, it altered the game (although no runs scored that wouldn't have anyways). And yes, Milton needs to focus. Its probably Lou's job to inspire that focus, but who knows where he's been of late.

That being said, Bradley also showed some good focus today on his 2 RBI double in the 6th. Not only at the plate, but on the bases. And the Cubs finally put up multiple runs today (four of them).

So lets give Bradley a break. He's on our team, key to our success, and a struggling at his job. None of us would want to be under the microscope he is right now.

Go Cubs!

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Thats true

I once left work, on my first day no less, five minutes early and got harangued for it the next day.

In all honestly, I was laughing when he did that

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jun 12, 2009 5:18 PM CDT reply actions  

To be totally honest, i feel like he's pressing. Trying TOO hard.

That doesn’t explain the fielding brain fart, as defense has been the place where he’s been solid this far this season, but yeah. At the plate, he looks to be pressing, not trying too little.

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"

by AndrewJStone on Jun 12, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

See my recap for my thoughts.

If this post gets too contentious, profane or insulting, it will be deleted.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 12, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not trying to stir up contention, Al...

… sorry if it came across that way.

I honestly feel for the guy. Maybe he’s just not build for cubs-level pressure?

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"

by AndrewJStone on Jun 12, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, I didn't mean you were being contentious, I know you weren't.

I just don’t want others to start.

PS. I edited your post to fix the title.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 12, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I, too, would encourage discretion...

…and calm, contemplative silence at this very difficult time.

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by daver on Jun 12, 2009 5:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Im not gonna sit and boo him

But I am not going to expect anything from him when he is at the plate. I am usually one of the more positive Cubs fans. I still think some people can turn it around. But I am hoping off the Milton train. He has only come to disappoint me over and over again. He was signed as someone who was going to come in and seriously help us win, he hasn’t done that

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by jkobus on Jun 12, 2009 5:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Not good at all today

He took a poor route on the ball he dived for. He made a blunder on the basepaths. There just isn’t enough goodwill built up for me right now to feel sorry for him. If he was hitting .300 I would be feeling more generous.

by Nibbles on Jun 12, 2009 5:27 PM CDT reply actions  

He didn't see the ball b/c of the sun...

That’s why it wasn’t deemed an error. That is why he took a poor route.

The base-running was a calculated risk. Crede could have gone home with that ball, Bradley didn’t have to go, but in essence what he did was ensure that he was the out, instead of the runner heading home.

Throwing the ball in the stands? Bad. He needs to know how many outs there are. He was obviously taking crap from somebody in the RF bleachers, and wanted to “show them”, in the future it would work much better if it is actually the third out.

You don’t have to feel sorry for him, but it would help if you understood the situation(s).

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by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 12, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1 for the (not so) subtle sarcasm

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by gridiron_assassin on Jun 12, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just think....

…..at some point Bradley apologists are going to have to realize that there is a point -- yes, there really is -- when we CAN criticize Milton Bradley without being too “hasty,” ’"judgemental," or “impatient.”

There was an awful lot of money, and two guarantetd years, given to Milton Bradley to perform — not to mention (as inherent by said signing) a TON of grace given him in overlooking his history. What has been reapt so far is return is worthy of criticism, and heavy criticism at that.

“It was a bad day” just doesn’t quite cut it when used so often to try and quash criticism of a player who has been consistently bad.

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by The Jade Scorpion on Jun 12, 2009 5:31 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Agree, this game deserves criticism. It was a bad game.

I think where we’d draw the line is with people who use a bad game as more than that.

by Orval Overall on Jun 12, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you were only criticizing the game....

…..Then we do not agree.

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"Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead."

by The Jade Scorpion on Jun 12, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks Jade

I may be more pessimistic than others, but I believe this signing will go down as Hendrys downfall along with the Miles and Fukodome’s signings. Cubs are stuck with 3 players that no one would want for the money they are making.

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by Grockcubs on Jun 12, 2009 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Which is why.....

….I would really like Hendry to find a way to dump the players, and if possible find a way to eat only the remainder of the 2009 salary in exchange for a very cheaply acquired veteran.

Honestly, I would not mind having to add Lee in (or someone like him) in order to make it happen.

I’m not GM of the Cubs. But if I were, I’d probably be trying to unload Bradley, Miles, Fukudome, Lee, and a few others with the sole hope of ending future committments (or minimizing them) to big-contract players as such. I would try and open up as much 2009-2010 salary as I could to try and retool for next season after this one is over.

Oh well, maybe they’ll just turn things around somehow……

"Bite my shiny metal ass!" -- Bender Bending Rodriguez

"Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead."

by The Jade Scorpion on Jun 12, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

because the offseason

wasn’t enough of a retooling?

Wow.

I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.

by drewishdrewid on Jun 12, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

That would be giving up this season AND next season

at the LEAST. It is not like we have a farm system that is loaded.

by vonde6 on Jun 12, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

3.5 games out and you would go into rebuilding mode.

Ohhhkayyyy…..

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by daver on Jun 13, 2009 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

The White Sox did that once

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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 13, 2009 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

ONLY ONCE!

I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.

by drewishdrewid on Jun 13, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Say one thing for Bradley...

he’s adding a lot of stories to “Cubs lore”. In ten years we’ll be laughing about it.

As for crucifying him…I’m not in the mood to crucify any one person (not even Hendry). We had our window, it’s closed now. It’s getting to be time to admit the obvious; this team is going nowhere. Hopefully the ownership gets sorted out soon and Rickett’s (or whoever) backs up the truck and starts over. Maybe we’ll get lucky. After all, look at how quickly Dallas Green turned around the Cubs in the early 80’s.

by bluekoolaide on Jun 12, 2009 5:37 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm usually the guy....

….wanting to add talent for the rest of the season.

But I’m almost to the point where I’d prefer trading some veterans to the highest bidder in exchange for talent that could either be kept or turned into acquisition leverage in the offseason. Maybe try a more thorough retooling this offseason after clearing some room and adding some prospects with real trade value.

Just don’t do it half-assed, that’s all I’d ask.

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"Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead."

by The Jade Scorpion on Jun 12, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree completely

I wouldn’t have any problem with the Cubs starting to rebuild-it might actually get me semi-excited again.

by bluekoolaide on Jun 12, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Finding a way to open up a lot of salary....

….and perhaps add some youngstahs with trade value, in an overt sign that it will be a busy coming offseason, would be exciting indeed.

"Bite my shiny metal ass!" -- Bender Bending Rodriguez

"Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead."

by The Jade Scorpion on Jun 12, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pretty crazy talk

for a team that’s still only 2.5/3.5 games out with 102 to play.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 12, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh come on.....

….besides the “anything can happen” meme,
is there really any reason to believe this team will win the World Series this year?

Why not retool and reload for 2010?

"Bite my shiny metal ass!" -- Bender Bending Rodriguez

"Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead."

by The Jade Scorpion on Jun 12, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know what's going to happen

and neither do you.

I suggest retooling and reloading for 2010 is something teams like the Pirates and Nationals should be thinking about now, not the Cubs.

We’ll see what’s what at the trade deadline.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 12, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

And you had every reason

to believe the Cubs would win the WS last year. How did that work out?

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 12, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Every reason?

Not quite.

Just a good hope that they might pull it off.

"Bite my shiny metal ass!" -- Bender Bending Rodriguez

"Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead."

by The Jade Scorpion on Jun 12, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

97 victories

is every reason, any way you look at it.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 12, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Every reason to believe they COULD win it...

not every reason to believe they WOULD. It is foolish to think any team WILL win a world series in any given year.

I mean, 97 wins didn’t exactly make the Cubs stand out as the overall favorite last year. The D-Rays had 97 wins in a much tougher division and the Angels won 100 games.

The Cubs should have been the favorite to make the World Series – not to win it. But even as the favorite, the probability was below 50% that they’d make it to the World Series.

by SouthernCub on Jun 12, 2009 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

The reason I emphasized it

is to point out his inconsistency. There’s no reason to believe this team will win the WS. Therefore, there should be every reason to think what appears to be a a much-better team would win it.

I agree with your assessment.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 12, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Which team appears to be much better?

I argued last year’s team appeared to be the better team than this year’s version before the season, and I still hold to that contention.

Therefore, I think last year’s team had a better chance to win it than this year’s team did before the season started.

That said, I definitely think this year’s team should be doing better than it is doing.

by SouthernCub on Jun 13, 2009 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Right, and since there wasn't reason to believe...

that last year’s team would win it, there’s no reason to believe this year’s team will win it.

Last year’s team had a better chance of winning a world series, but even then they certainly weren’t the favorite. That would have been the Angels or the Rays.

In short, I’m not sure what your point is.

by SouthernCub on Jun 13, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

And why would

The Angels or Rays be more of a favorite than the Cubs, considering their records were all virtually the same?

If your sole mission in your life is to be a burr under my saddle, fine. If you think you’re giving me a taste of my own medicine, fine.

But I think you just might be a bit of a mental case.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 13, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lol... not a mental case...

Not sure why you’re so easily irritated.

As for why the Rays and Angels would be bigger favorites? The Rays matched the Cubs record despite playing in a tougher division, and the Angels had the best record in baseball.

I didn’t say that the Cubs weren’t capable of winning it last year. You just seemed to imply that the Cubs were the favorites (“every reason to believe that they would win it last year”). I merely disagreed with it, saying that the Cubs certainly had the talent to win it but weren’t by any means the hands-down favorites.

I’m sorry you seem to take disagreement so personally.

by SouthernCub on Jun 13, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

This whole retool for 2010 thing is

idiotic. If you unload like that, you are on a three-year comeback plan at best.

by vonde6 on Jun 12, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

its baseball

and the unpredictable happens all the time. Honestly, there is so much stuff in baseball where you can say " wow i never thought so and so would do this" or stuff like that. Did anyone honestly think Theriot would go on any kind of power surge this year? Did anyone actually think Dempster would have been that good last year? Who would have predicted at the beginning of the year that Greinke would be as good as he is? How about the Rockies making it to the world series? not many. its baseball and this game always brings the unpredictable that what makes it so much fun to follow and watch. You never know who or when a team or player is going to get hot and you never know whats going to happen. thats why you actually play the games.

by Glacier on Jun 12, 2009 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

this season is far from over

We were what 5 games under .500 in 2003 when we won the division? We were 8 games back in 2007. We are currently 3.5 games back in the middle of June and we haven’t played our best baseball yet. It is WAY too soon to give up on 2009.

by burncruisin on Jun 12, 2009 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've no interest in crucifying anyone, but I will say...

1) Comparing what Bradley does for a living to the average joe is a false comparison. Bradley plays at a level – and is compensated at such a level – that mistakes like he made today shouldn’t be acceptable. I’ll agree with the notion that even the best humans have bad days, that’s fine, but don’t shroud it in this fabrication.

2) it didn’t alter the game.

3) It’s not Lou’s job to keep the guy in RF apprised of how many outs there are. As a manager I would expect that. Especially with everyone from the infield shaking fingers at me from the last out to make sure I knew.

D) Don’t be so sure about that microscope. I’d bet a lot of people would love to trade places with Milton Bradley.

All that said, the guy was bad today. Let it go and move on to tomorrow.

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by Gibbon Jockey on Jun 12, 2009 5:49 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I agree with point 1 in particular.

Bradley’s job is to perform in front of people for a living. That should NOT be an excuse.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 12, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll modify point 1, if I may.

Everyone makes mistakes on the job. That doesn’t excuse it. A worker has to take responsibility for those mistakes and make the necessary adjustments to avoid making more mistakes everyday. That’s what Bradley isn’t doing. It’s a new gaffe everyday, at bat, running or on the field.

by Fraggin Judge on Jun 12, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

If Aaron Miles did this,

no one would be sympathetic.

Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!

by Cub Style on Jun 12, 2009 5:49 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Good point.

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by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 12, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think with Miles bad shoulder

he could toss the ball into the right field bleacher boxes.

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by Gibbon Jockey on Jun 12, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

That would be extremely impressive though

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by gridiron_assassin on Jun 12, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

In all fairness...

…Miles did make a pretty nice defensive play yesterday.

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by daver on Jun 13, 2009 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bradley Apologist

I admit I was in favor of signing gameboard and I still think it was a god idea. I still believe he’ll hit and get his average around the .280 mark this season. All that being said, what he did today is unforgivable. Any of the three blunders I could live with, but not all three and definitely not all in the same game. But for those that say he is a defensive liability, don’t you remember the sliding catch he made in Houston? Wait until the end of the year and judge him on his whole body (there’s a phrase I never thought I use talking about Bradley) of work.

by CubbieFaninOhio on Jun 12, 2009 6:25 PM CDT reply actions  

Funny

Did we expect anything else from Milton? His career has been nothing but conterversy. He has been abused by the press and fans, some justified some not. He has always been hurt which has led to speculation of his desire to play. This is just par for the course.
 I did not want him here. I do not feel sorry for Milton the majority of his problems he brings on himself.
 He is a Cub, I hope he helps the Cubs win, but this won’t be the last time Milton takes the headlines in a negative way. Get use to it.

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by Grockcubs on Jun 12, 2009 6:35 PM CDT reply actions  

2009 Cubs With Milton Bradley playing in a game = 19-26
2009 Cubs Without Milton Bradley playing in a game = 10-3

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 12, 2009 6:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Sometimes you just can't quantify a player's worth!

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by dtpollitt on Jun 12, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you sure about this?

He’s really played in 45 games?

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by Goodie1969 on Jun 12, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's true...

though at least 6 of those were pinch hit appearances.

by SouthernCub on Jun 12, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

And only 16 RBIs!

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by propheteer on Jun 13, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Today's Stats:

Milton Bradley 2-4 (.500) with 2 RBIs

Rest of the Cubs offense: 4-29 (.138) with 2 RBIs from D. Lee

by Neifi Puppy on Jun 12, 2009 7:54 PM CDT reply actions  

The act is excusable.......

his post-game response is not

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by Clutche on Jun 12, 2009 10:04 PM CDT reply actions  

I'll agree with that...

Though I highly doubt that people would have excused him had he said “I screwed up today – I’m sorry,” anyway.

The post-game response is just adding fuel to the fire for people who are already frustrated.

by SouthernCub on Jun 12, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree.

He should have been more contrite. The “sue me” thing was pretty ridiculous. FWIW, I saw video of his statements and he did look pretty embarassed – even if he was trying to act nonchalant about it.

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by daver on Jun 13, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

To some people who hold him to a higher standard, his post-game response is not...

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by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 12, 2009 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

He admitted a mistake. Why is that bad?

I’m no Bradley apologist, but for fans to throw the warm-up ball back on the field in the ninth is classless garbage.

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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 12, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

The All-Star Break

is what Bradley needs more than anything. The guy is under absolutely immense pressure to perform and needs some time off to unload and get refocused. If we’d cool off a little and not be so hard on the guy, maybe he’d start to pick it up. I think that our expectations are causing him to try too hard.

I’m not excusing what he did in the field today, but I’m not going to act like this is the final straw or anything. Anyone who calls him a defensive liability but supported signing Dunn or Abreu is a hypocrite.

by Pre on Jun 12, 2009 10:33 PM CDT reply actions  

The All-Star break is a month away.

Who knows what sorts of things could happen to him in the next month?

FWIW, I think Bradley’s defense has been, in general, just fine. Count me in the camp that was willing to live with Dunn’s defense to get the bat. Oh, and to have someone who doesn’t miss games.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 13, 2009 4:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, Dunn hasn't exactly lit up the league

and I’d rather not have both corner outfield spots occupied by less-than-stellar defenders. Still, Dunn would easily be leading this team in RBI, and I suppose you could make the argument that he’d be worth it. I think that Milton is a long-term investment and will payoff better over the long run.

Oh, I wasn’t trying to call anyone in particular a hypocrite, just anyone who ignores Dunn’s defense while trying to attack Bradley’s as a reason why he shouldn’t have been signed. I agree that his defense has been just fine. There have a been a couple of bad plays (like the botched catch against the Pirates), but overall he’s made some fine plays.

by Pre on Jun 13, 2009 5:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dunn hasn't lit up the league?

He’s hitting .263/.404 /.545 with 17 HR (ranks fifth in the NL) and 45 RBI (tied for sixth). His .949 OPS ranks 12th. He is leading the league in walks with 50.

No Cub hitter is anywhere close to these numbers. Oh, and Dunn hasn’t missed a game this year.

Dunn would have been a better choice in the offseason. He would be a better choice now. He would be a better choice next year. Jim Hendry screwed this one up.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 13, 2009 7:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

exactly

and his numbers would be better at Wrigley and in a lineup with better hitters. WHY would you take Milton Bradley when Dunn was the same price? I was with you as well, but I do think I’m more willing than most to cut Bradley some slack.

But man…Dunn would look really really good in our lineup right now. You’d think after all those years of him pounding the ball against us, Hendry would think it wise to pick him up…

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by CubbyBlues on Jun 13, 2009 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Cubs don't want sluggers who struggle in the field.

Even if they’re in their system. See: Fox, Jake. Only Hoffpauir seems to have cracked the code, and I’m not sure how yet.

Instead, the Cubs are fielding an active roster that includes 3 switch-hitting utilitymen. At this point, their pride (if that’s what it is) in trying to win 2-1 games with light-hitting outfit is preventing them from putting in players who can hit the ball in the lineup.

If Soriano moves to 2B, with Hoffpauir in LF, and the Cubs start winning some 6-4 games? I’m fine with it, because at least we will all know that 4 runs can be overcome, as opposed to seeing 2-0 deficits that feel like 10-0 deficits.

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by Bill Potter on Jun 13, 2009 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

I’d take the somewhat worse defense (could it be worse than Bradley yesterday?) if it’d make the offense better.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 13, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly Al

Dunn was the choice, goodness, Hendry dropped the ball, and dropped again when signing Miles.

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by Grockcubs on Jun 13, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Milton Bradley plays good defense.

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by daver on Jun 13, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

What?

Why did he play 20 something games in the outfield for the Rangers last year if he so good at defense?
 The Rangers have gold glovers all through there outfield I am sure.

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by Grockcubs on Jun 13, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

This may come as a surprise to you...

…but he was recovering from an injury.

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by daver on Jun 13, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not a surprise to me

However expecting him to play 140 games in right field after playing in 20 the year before is a surprise to me.
 I am sorry I don’t follow baseball that much, so keep me informed.

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by Grockcubs on Jun 13, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I honestly don't think anyone was expecting him to play 140 games.

Not even Jim Hendry.

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by daver on Jun 14, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

He was recovering from a major knee injury late in 2007...

That’s why he DHed last year. Prior to the injury, he was a VERY good defensive outfielder. He’s probably not quite as good as he was before the knee injury, but he’s still pretty good defensively (yesterday notwithstanding).

The fact that he DHed last year is not a strong argument.

by SouthernCub on Jun 13, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Milton Bradley is a garbage human being

I’ve come full circle on my opinion of him. The fact that he is significantly struggling to hit is not the main issue with Bradley. Rather it is his total unaccountability and deflection of responsibility for anything. That and the fact that he is forever not healthy enough to play yet doesn’t go on the DL.

I thought Bradley turned a new leaf in Texas. I thought wrong. He’s toxic. Absolutely so.

You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little messed up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?

by BLou on Jun 12, 2009 10:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Tell him to his face

It’s pretty easy to hide behind your monitor like a coward and say that he’s a “garbage human being.”

by Pre on Jun 12, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Toxic BS

I think that he cares. I am okay for him being called out for being lackadaisical, but “garbage human being” is a statement that can only come from one.

by vonde6 on Jun 12, 2009 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Garbage Human Being?

Do you know this guy?.. he has his flaws, you have your flaws, I have my flaws.. he is in the public eye and these flaws of his become a focal point for the media to thrive on and meet their deadlines… he is where they and a lot of other fans go to when it comes to bringing the Cubs down, or when it comes to finding a story.. dig deeper at Milton. That is all you see of him… so dont take it to, “Garbage human being.”

The Cubs are at fault in the signing… IF it doesnt pan out. They paid him knowing he gets injured a lot, and they paid him knowing he could be a bit temperamental.. that’s not his fault.

As far as his play is concerned he needs to step it up and stop making dumb mistakes. When Ramirez returns, the rest of our offense will improve, i.e. the return of A-Rod helping the rest of their offense. The second half will have people changing their minds about Bradley… I hope.

Don't assault me and I won't assault you, because you don't know what I will, or won't, do. I'm going to end it with that. - Milton Bradley 2003 to Paul Lo Duca

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jun 12, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Acquaint yourself with Milton's history in Montreal, Cleveland. Los Angeles, San Diego and Texas

Then get back to me to challenge the use of the term “toxic” or “garbage human being.” Milton’s mouth and his rage have forever been his undoing. Now he is adding a new twist to things in Chicago via unwillingness to be accountable on the baseball field.

You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little messed up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?

by BLou on Jun 12, 2009 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I understand his past

But to dig at him as deeply as you did is digging a little to far, crossing that line.. as usual

Don't assault me and I won't assault you, because you don't know what I will, or won't, do. I'm going to end it with that. - Milton Bradley 2003 to Paul Lo Duca

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Jun 12, 2009 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Everyone knows his history

But that doesn’t excuse your comments. Everyone has their flaws; Gameboard doesn’t mean any harm, and to call him “human garbage” is completely uncalled for. That’s just plain classless.

by Pre on Jun 12, 2009 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with all the above posters who called BLou out for his comment.

It was inappropriate. Namecalling is not permitted on this site. Express your opinion about Bradley (or anyone else) in a nicer way, and people might be more receptive.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 13, 2009 4:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

I will not call him garbage

only murders and rapist deserve that term, however Milton has been for his WHOLE career more pain in the backside for what he is worth. And the Cubs have this problem for at least this year and next.
 This will be a long two seasons with Milton. I just don’t get how people thought this was a good signing? Especially Hendry. He is always freaking hurt and he is always good for some sort of blow up, mental dump 3 to 4 times a year.

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Jun 13, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

I won't assassinate Bradley's character...

but as a ballplayer, he’s the type of guy I’d have stayed ten miles away from if I’d been wearing Hungry Jim’s roomy trousers last off-season. I prefer calm, measured players like Aramis, Sandberg and Maddux. Not that I think anyone can easily match their stats, but I’d look for guys who match their disposition. Lilly, too. Bradley looks like a 7th grader with ADD when he’s on the bench. He expends every once of energy every second of the game. That saps the player throughout the long season. The most successful players know how to parcel out their exertions in order to have reserves in the long run.

Joe, you coulda made us proud!

by copingwiththecubs on Jun 13, 2009 8:22 AM CDT reply actions  

Unfortunately, MB's behavior isn't a surprise. "Experts" said that the Cubs were too "nice" in 2008.

So they went in a different direction in the off-season to make themselves “edgier”. You reap what you sow.

My issue with yesterday’s game was that Bradley’s actions were a symptom of a larger problem.

This team is playing “station to station” baseball hoping for a 3 run homer. They are unfocused, inattentive and frankly, appear unmotivated. They seem to be going through the motions and it manifests itself in their play this season.

And this isn’t new. This started back in Spring Training. I saw them play in 3 games in March. They lost all 3. I know “it’s only ST”, but the seeds of a winner are sown in ST.

I’m not a ledge jumper. I believe there is still time to correct this. But it has to start TODAY – not “hope things will eventually turn around”.

I’m glad to hear that apparently Lou has finally seen enough and is going to make changes.

We’ll see what those are in the next few days.

But it all starts “between the ears”.

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by Zeke on Jun 13, 2009 9:49 AM CDT reply actions  

I appreciate you defending the indefensable

But Bradley has performed consistantly poorly all year long. He was an injury prone DH when we got him so the results should not suprise anyone. I had hopes he would step things up after ARam got hurt but he continues to disappoint.

A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five.

by copes006 on Jun 13, 2009 9:50 AM CDT reply actions  

I think he deserves a break from over reaction but not because...

…millions of people don’t watch me work. Pressure to perform is part of the game, especially when you get paid multi-millions per year. The over-reactions might be less likely had he conducted himself in the past in a more professional manner. Aside from that, he had a bad day on the bases and in the field yesterday, but produced at the plate. All he can do is try again today and play smart and approach the game as a pro. I hope that he pulls it off because we have taken a huge risk with bringing him in and we need the returns like right now.

by DudeVf11 on Jun 13, 2009 9:52 AM CDT reply actions  

I was at the game yesterday and the centerfield scoreboard out counter wasn't working.

It makes me feel sick thinking that professional athletes may actually rely on the scoreboard to inform them of the number of outs in the inning.

"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar-tissue." -George F. Will

by In Piniella We Trustiella on Jun 13, 2009 11:46 AM CDT reply actions  

bradley

please this was a huge mistake signing this guy. on of the many reasons this team sucks so bad.

by NOMAR on Jun 13, 2009 12:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Milton Bradley is a small part of why we are mediocre

In case you haven’t noticed, over half the team just isn’t hitting. DLee is about the only guy that you count on to get on base these days, and Soriano and Kosuke are seemingly going 0-4 or 1-5 most days. Theriot is really, really inconsistent depending on if he’s in slugger mode or not. Geo has picked it up a little but is still slumping badly. We need Aramis back for both offensive and defensive reasons (defense at third has been poor and has cost us runs).

Milton isn’t the only one that isn’t hitting, and he isn’t the only one that isn’t hitting that is getting paid a lot of money. Let’s not put so much of the blame on him.

by Pre on Jun 13, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

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