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So What Will Jim Hendry's (Cubs) Legacy Be?


 

Okay, as much as some people are going to disagree with me, I believe that, barring a miraculous turnaround destined for the baseball history books, this team is headed for one of the most disappointing seasons in its history.  So now, as Jim Hendry's career as a baseball GM is hanging by a thread, I thought it would be interesting to speculate on how he'll be thought about when we look back on his tenure.

As for me, I tend to believe that the worst thing that ever happened to Hendry was when MacPhail was let go and he was given control of the checkbook.  As much as I despised "Andy the clown",  I wonder if his stubbornly conservative ways were good for Hendry in that it made him have to search for solutions that didn't involve spending like a drunken sailor.  After all, Hendry was the guy who brought us players like Lee, Ramirez, Grudzielanek, Karros, etc., for next to nothing.  And let's not forget Kenny Lofton, a virtual throw-in in the Ramirez deal who became the best lead-off man (and a key to the second half surge in '03) that we'd had in years.

 Hendry is the ninth Cubs' GM of my life; looking back the only one that really stands out among that lot is Dallas Green and even he doesn't have three division titles to show for his tenure.  So, I think when I look back, I'll pobably have a tendency to be kind to him and remember the positives more than the negatives.  He did, after all, get us within five outs of the world series.  That's more than can be said for Salty Saltwell. 

I'd be interested though, to hear what thoughts the rest of you have about how we'll eventually come to view the "Hendry years".  Discuss.



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Its looking like a mixed bag for sure

And you bring up a good point that when he’s had the money, he hasnt spent it in the wisest of fashions.

But those trades in 2003 were essential, the Lee trade was also a great move, but he gave away Willis and Nolasco and his 09 moves arent looking to hot either

In the end, I think he’s going to get heavy criticism for not taking this team over the final hump and not always taking the longview in roster moves

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jun 14, 2009 12:05 AM CDT reply actions  

I wouldn't say he gave away WIllis

Matt Clement looked like an absolute steal for a while. He gave us a lot of quality innings.

by Poloplaya14 on Jun 14, 2009 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thats true

been Willis set the world on fire his first few seasons, he was great for them down the stretch and then won 22 games a few years later, while Clement always tantalized but never fulfilled his full potential, but I guess the same can be said for Dontrelle post-2005

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jun 14, 2009 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gave away Willis?

Are you saying you’d still want him? He had a decent 2003, 2004 was average, a very nice 2005, and he’s sadly been a train wreck ever since. Andlast I checked, Nolasco was sent to the minors.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Jun 14, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well you havent checked enough

Because Nolasco struck out 9 over 7 innings I believe in Toronto the otherday, and at first the Willis trade looked bad is what I was getting at…..Nolasco and Pinto for one year of Pierre was a bad deal, any way you slice it. Nolasco has a ridiculously high BABIP this year, so he’s had some bad luck, but he was pretty great in the second half last year and his first 2 starts since coming back up from New Orleans have been good, especially the one against the Jays, whereas Pierre did very little to help the Cubs besides getting 200 hits and a rag armed center field

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jun 14, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

The fact remains....

… Nolasco was sent to the minors. I can only imagine the angst around here if the Cubs had kept both pitchers, given their career arcs. For Exhibit A, see Wood and Prior.

And right about now, the Dodgers aren’t doing too much complaining about Juan Pierre.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Jun 14, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

That fact is irrelevant

When you look at the deeper numbers and realize his velocity is the same, the strikeouts are about the same, he’s just had horrible luck this year, so he went down for 10 days, it wasnt that big of a deal and Im sure he’ll have a better second half and he certainly would look good in our rotation now, I dont see what that has to do with Mark Prior. We could have Z, Harden, Lilly, Dempster and Nolasco now, Prior isnt in anyway related.

And so b/c Juan Pierre has had a good six week stretch that made trading two serviceable pitchers for one year of JPs service a good move? No way

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jun 14, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

We'll agree to disagree

I think you really underestimate the ability of some posters here to get all worked up over the problems of Willis and Nolasco had they remained Cubs and faced the same problems.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Jun 14, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

I see what youre saying

But people here were also clamoring to trade back for Nolasco, when you look at his numbers last year he looked to becoming a front line starter, and he still might, so in that regard, I think the Pierre trade was a mistake, and initially at least, the Willis deal looked bad, but time has erased that one.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jun 14, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

The most amazing thing Hendry did

was to trade Todd Hundley. How he was able to convince the Dodgers to give him live bodies for Hundley, I’ll never know.
But over all, Hendry’s legacy has to be the same as all the other ones I remember, and that is, he is a failure. The object is to get to the World Series (and win it) and the Cubs didn’t do it under his watch. I know he isn’t the one to hit or pitch, but he went after these players and signed them. If he deserves credit for winning divisions, he deserves blame for failure.

"Any old kind of a run wins it!"--Jack Brickhouse

by mattvegas on Jun 14, 2009 12:17 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Agreed.

You can’t write Hendry’s legacy until this season is over. If he can make a move or three to get this team into the playoffs, his stock goes way up.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 14, 2009 4:09 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

He cant though, thats the point

His painted himself into a corner with these ridiculous contracts and no trade clauses, who in their right mind would take on Aaron Miles and his 5M, and Soriano, Lee, Fukudome and Bradley are all here to stay as well b/c of the amounts/terms of their deals.

So the pessimist in me says his legacy is already written; he did an excellent job at keeping the guys he wanted, but he overpaid in a few instances, ignored reality in a few others and made some really nice moves (Lilly, Grudzielanek/Karros Hundely move, Aram etc etc.).

So like I was contending, its a mixed bag, which Im sure is true for most GMs, but Jimbo is going to get more grief b/c he’d gotten us so close but not over the final hump, which is exacerbated when you havent won since the days of the Model T

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jun 14, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Would it be unfair to say.....

…. some are willing to Hendry gets more grief because he’s done a better job than any other GM in the last 100 years because he got them closer than anyone else, but didn’t complete the job? And if so, how does doing a better job than anyone else in a 100 years mean he should get more grief?

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Jun 14, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

That is fair to say

Because of the money the team can spend now, expectations are higher than in years past, and some of the ancillary moves he’s made to get the team over the final hurdle have been head scratchers.

 So I suppose it would be like firing a manager after a string of losses in the NLCS; sure thats great to get there, but for whatever reason he couldnt get the final step, so sometimes a change would be needed.

Im sure it isnt fair to him, but thats what its going to look like IMO. I think his success has as much to do with the Powers That Be opening the purse strings a bit. Is Lou really that much better than Dusty? No, of course not, but he had the luxury of a 300M dollar spending spree, had previous GMs been given that kind of latitude might they have done a better job? Possibly….Hendry’s had more at his disposal than previous GMs, and he’s had mixed results was my contention, as have all GMs, but given the history of the team, its going to bring him more grief….which I think is fair. There are only 4-5 teams who can spend as much or more than us, and they all seem to be in contention and winning every year, where the Cubs do not.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jun 14, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed...

until your last sentence. The argument against the salary cap centers on the fact that money does not equal success. The Yankees have been down for awhile despite a massive payroll, the Mets can’t even make the playoffs with their salaries, and the Red Sox just recently formed a quality team.

Money is nothing if it is spent only on players. The Red Sox are currently thriving because they’ve found a nice balance between developing and drafting proper talent and then also spending the way they can.

Free Ronny Cedeno

by Kansas25 on Jun 14, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Red Sox are currently thriving

because Theo Epstein is a genius. The same can’t be said about Jim Hendry. He’s made some very nice moves, but he makes too many moves out of desperation in my opinion.

by Poloplaya14 on Jun 14, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good point

Hendry is a victim of rising expectations among Cub fans. If he cannot close the deal, he needs to be replaced.

by lookingdeadred on Jun 15, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ah yes, another chord from the song that says Jim Hendry can yet again spend himself out of dilemma

You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little messed up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?

by BLou on Jun 14, 2009 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Twice Agreed

I just don’t get this. Is it supposed to be trendy or cool or an attempt to look “smart” to proclaim this season a bust in mid-June? Hendry’s legacy? He’s not gone yet! The Cubs’ season? Since when does less than five games out on June 14 mean the season is over?

Sometimes I think blogs were the worst thing to happen to sports. Too many self styled know it alls.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Jun 14, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's no Ed Lynch

But he should certainly be remembered in a negative light. He did have a knack for convincing organizations to take on our dead bodies, and he did pull us out of the basement in the division, but he’s made some absurdly ridiculous moves over his career, with this past offseason being his most epic failure yet.

by Pre on Jun 14, 2009 2:32 AM CDT reply actions  

Oh, and...

I’m not trying to say Lynch was a good GM.

by Pre on Jun 14, 2009 2:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is absurd

If crap like this is what it now means to be a Cubs fan, I’d rather not be one.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 14, 2009 4:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why?

You think fans of any other team in any other sport dont second guess their owners/execs? If people didnt care this much, we’d be the Pirates

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jun 14, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Legacy? "Eat donuts and cut a lot of big checks"

You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little messed up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?

by BLou on Jun 14, 2009 9:53 AM CDT reply actions  

But enough about you

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Jun 14, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Replace "big" with "bad"

And I will add that the donut comment is rather juvenile.

Free Ronny Cedeno

by Kansas25 on Jun 14, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I'd rather not have that kind of stuff here.

Stick to criticisms of his work, not his appearance.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 14, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Cubs have made it to the playoffs three times this decade.

And it could have been five (2001, 2004). And people think Jim Hendry’s a BAD general manager?

The goal of a general manager is to get his team to the playoffs (or at least in contention). The playoffs are a crapshoot, so I’m not worrying about that. Jim Hendry has done an admirable job with the Cubs in establishing them as a perennial contender instead of a cellar dweller.

"Those are my principles, and if you don’t like them, well, I have others." - Groucho Marx

by Keith on Jun 14, 2009 9:53 AM CDT reply actions  

Agreed

He ain’t perfect, but no one can name one that’s done better in he last hundred years.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Jun 14, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's sort of what I was getting at

I’ve lived through so many horrible Cubs GM’s that, unfortunately, my standards have been lowered.

Of course, the ultimate goal is a world’s championship but, over the years, I’ve learned to be happy with even the very limited success that Hendry has had.

by bluekoolaide on Jun 14, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1

Hendry will be remembered, for the most part, positively. And there’s no guarantee that this is his last year, either. The new owners may decide to keep him. It’s not like the season is even half over yet.

I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.

by drewishdrewid on Jun 14, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes but it's a little easier to contend

when you have such a big payroll. With the resources at Jim’s disposal, the bar has to be set a little bit higher. For that reason, I’d say he’s average to below-average as a GM.

by Poloplaya14 on Jun 14, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

He ain’t perfect, but no one can name one that’s done better in he last hundred years.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Jun 14, 2009 10:21 AM CDT reply actions  

Please delete me, let me go.......

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Jun 14, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's done pretty well, but is far from perfect

I definitely had Hendry’s back before this off-season, when the DeRo trade didn’t lead to anything, and he brought in Bradley. It’s like the chick that thinks she can change the bad boy. Bradley’s track record was far too long and extensive for us to expect anything different.

Abreu or Ibanez would have been far better, and that’s not hindsight speaking…many of us were saying this during the off season.

That trade for Juan Pierre was horrible.

I have nothing funny or creative to write.

by Canadian Cubs Fan on Jun 14, 2009 10:23 AM CDT reply actions  

I can't even fault him for the Pierre trade because, at the time, I thought it was great

Pierre seemed to be exactly the tablesetter we needed, he had already had success in that role and Nolasco was a promising but unproven young pitcher.

Of course it turned out to be terrible but, at the time, who really could have predicted that?

by bluekoolaide on Jun 14, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good point.

I have nothing funny or creative to write.

by Canadian Cubs Fan on Jun 14, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Whoa, whoa.

I’ll tell you who could have predicted it — essentially everyone on this site!

It was pretty obvious that Jim’s move to get Juan Pierre was awful at the time. He was overpaying for a consolation prize after getting spurned by Furcal. The reaction here was almost uniformly negative.

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by D98 on Jun 15, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

His legacy will be complicated IMO

He made some awesome trades and some stupid ones. After 2003 and 2004 the new solution became throw money at problems instead of making sound baseball decisions. The Soriano contract was necessary because it signaled a willingness to win, but other contracts haven’t been so smart.

Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.

by nji232 on Jun 14, 2009 10:40 AM CDT reply actions  

An Old School Team Player

Jim Hendry is by all accounts an affable, amiable guy that gets on well with the folks above and below him. He seems to genuinely like the players he acquires and will do what he can to keep them satisfied financially. Doesn’t seem like he has an ego and is a tireless worker.

But I don’t think I’d classify him as a visionary baseball leader who sets the tone of the organization a la Dallas Green, John Schuerholz, and Billy Beane. He strikes me as someone very willing to do his share within the parameters of his job, assuming that those parameters are established by someone else. He’ll rely on the team President to set the payroll, and the manager to share in the architecture of the major league roster.

In terms of philosophy, Hendry is still old-school at heart. He likes toolsy players and values intangibles perhaps a little more than they’re actually worth. Lately he’s come around to recognizing the value of OBP as non-out-making, but he hasn’t wholly embraced the statistical revolution the way the Athletics and Red Sox have.

One of my biggest criticisms of Hendry is creating markets for mediocre-to-poor players where those markets don’t exist. He’ll bid against himself for the likes of Neifi Perez and Aaron Miles, giving them sizeble contracts that tie up funds which could be better allocated to truly talented players. It’s hard to sign a top FA when the necessary funds are being eaten up by replacement level veterans.

Another criticism is the lack of a fully functional farm system that can churn out the caliber of young, cost effective talent needed as cornerstones for long-term success. Pieces here and there have helped acquire Derrek Lee, Aramis Ramirez, and Rich Harden – great moves on Hendry’s part, and I applaud those trades. But those types of transactions aren’t counterbalanced by the presence of home-grown, bonafide talent throughout the rest of the roster. Whereas the Twins and Red Sox can keep reloading from within, the Cubs haven’t enjoyed the type of minor league system needed to do so.

Someday I think we’ll be able to look back and see Jim Hendry as the face of the transition of the Cubs from a corporate profit machine to a premier big market franchise. His time as General Manager has come when the team has begun to stir from its 75-year slumber, induced by the death of a passionate owner that spared no effort to win. Assuming the new owner has William Wrigley Jr’s desire to win, that person will bring in a different GM with the kind of younger and better ideas that get the Cubs to the World Series. But a portion of that future success will be built on the groundwork Jim Hendry has laid in his own way, helping to point the organization back in the right direction.

by CaliCub on Jun 14, 2009 11:18 AM CDT reply actions  

Well said...

….and I’ll add this; when the Cubs opened the check book a few years back, Hendry was a good guy to have to go after FA’s. The reason is; he is likable and respected by agents and players for doing what he says he will do, and that is key in getting FA’s to come onboard.

Beyond that, there is a lot more to building a sustained level of success with a baseball franchis, and some of the other areas, haven’t been tended to nearly as well.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Jun 14, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Although I think sometimes that works against him as he’d rather overspend at times than risk harsh negotiation and angering the player.

by Poloplaya14 on Jun 14, 2009 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have a feeling what Hendry's legacy...

…will be with the Cubs, but lets see how everything plays out before going there.

I have said for the longest time, the most important position within a baseball organization is the GM. If you give me a good GM over a period of years, that guy can win championships with managers who are average and above, but you rarely see teams sustain success with average to below average GM’s.

Hendry has some good qualties (ability to sign his own, FA’s and has made some deft trades). His achilles heel has been his inability to build a development system that can produce any consistant level of position player prospects. As a GM, your job becomes so much easier, when the developmental spigot has some flow to it. Lastly, Hendry has always struggled to understand the value of certain qualities in a lineup, and this has contributed to some inconsistant (easily scoutable) Cub teams in the past.

I like Hendry as a person, and think he busts his tail to succeed, he just lacks that instinct for the game (like a Dallas Green had), that gets you over the top.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Jun 14, 2009 11:19 AM CDT reply actions  

jim

his teams have made the playoffs 3 years. 1946 to 1983 0 times. i,d say his biggest screwup was last winter dismantling a 97 win team. the man has done a decent job but nobody is perfect.

by NOMAR on Jun 14, 2009 12:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Hungry Jim's the only guy other than Dallas Green...

whom I felt certain was burning to win a World Series. That alone, despite the mixed bag of signings and his inability to craft a true team, makes his time here a positive. Hendry understands the urgency to win, like every other successful GM in the game. Not that I necessarily classify him as a “successful” GM, but he sure ain’t a flop. His assets are strong, but no stronger than his negatives. He dries me batty but thank all the gods in all the heavens we’ve ever invented, he isn’t Lynch/Himes/Frey. Yuck, it makes me sick just to think of those three.

Joe, you coulda made us proud!

by copingwiththecubs on Jun 14, 2009 2:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Jim Hendry would be nothing without the big payroll

His farm system remains a joke. If not for the ability to cut blank checks Hendry would have been horribly exposed long ago.

You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little messed up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?

by BLou on Jun 14, 2009 6:01 PM CDT reply actions  

Negative legacy

After this year and all the bad, long, NTC contracts on the books, he has completely limited this franchises’ options at the trade deadline and beyond.

"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus

"Yeah, Moe, that team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I’ve seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked!" - Homer

by propheteer on Jun 14, 2009 11:51 PM CDT reply actions  

If this team ends the season

at or around .500 and presumably out of the playoffs, I think he will be gone. That would leave his legacy as the guy who got them close but could not close the deal.

by lookingdeadred on Jun 15, 2009 9:47 AM CDT reply actions  

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