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If Lou has no ideas, I think I do....

The sad reality is beginning to set in listening to Cubs post game (wgn 720) across Cubs nation, that Lou Pinella no longer has the fire in him to motivate a struggling team. He looked lost and content with the cubs struggles at the plate, and it appears even he has lost the "Cubbie Swagger" that he preached about the last two seasons. The fact is that any manager can manage a team that hits the cover off the ball for an entire summer. Lou went out last year, put a nice lineup together and sat back and watched the success with the rest of us. But, now losing 16 of 24, and with an offense so utterly atrocious, Lou is faced with the job of managing. Milton Bradley's lack of concentration is a reflection of the manager. Lou should have MET him at the steps  of the dugout or sent Reed in right after that play. But, instead he complements him in the post game today saying his hitting is coming around!!!?? I want the old Lou back. Gerald Perry could be the fall guy, but his firing would seem a bit cosmetic. Here's some ideas for JIM and LOU to ponder...

1. Our best hitter is in triple A....... ie Jake Fox, if he isn't up now, why ever call him up? We are keeping him down so Aaron Miles, has a roster spot? or Patton? This is almost worse than the Neifi Perez situation 

2. At some point someone is going to make a move. It is rumored the Cards are hot after Miguel Tejada. The Brewers have made it clear they will wait around to make sure they are in the race before they will look to make a move. Jim has been quiet and Crane Kenny suddenly makes it sound like we are barely making the utility bills. Cubs fans deserve better. Man up on your mistakes Hendry. Do something, anything....

3. Now it can be seen the damage of replacing great clubhouse guys with terrible ones. I would take Milton Bradley in the argument of "The worst possible club house guy" against anyone in the MLB,. Taking D-Ro and Woody off the field was only half the Damage, and arguably less damage then it has done in the club house. And how about our old friend HENRY BLANCO? Do you honestly think Geo would be struggling this much at the dish if Blanco was still in the dugout everyday? I hate how things like that are overlooked. Nice move Jim, I hope that saved enough to get Milton!!!

4. If Soriano is hurt, bench him! He is hitting .172 his month. Hoffpauir deserves Ab's and he can't be worse than Sori defensively. Fukudome is hitting his summer swoon in stride hitting around .150 with a .212 slugging percentage over the last 17 games, and this should spell a good week of Reed Johnson. Looking for a 2 hole hitter Lou??? Your man on this roster is Reed Johnson. As for Aaron Miles, he should not be playing above AA ball. period. I don't know what to say about Mike Fontenot, except today is his first 3 ab's he was up 1-0, 2-0, and 2-0 and got 3 90mph fastballs down the heart of the plate  and fouled them all off late. Those are the pitches you want to put in play big guy. What are you thinking up there? 

As Al says, keep the faith, which I am. I hope you will too. 

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The problem with Tejada is probably money.

If the Cubs can’t afford to take on DeRosa’s contract (which is supposedly one of the reasons they have, for now anyway, decided not to deal for him), Tejada makes more. If you want to move money off the current roster to make room for a hitter, Rich Harden is dealable. Seriously — the Cubs did fine pitching-wise while he was out, and I doubt he will be retained as a free agent. Why not get something for him?

I agree that something has to be done.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 14, 2009 4:05 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Absolutely agree

There’s no way we would go after him with guys like Wells, Shark, and Marshall all capable of stepping in and filling holes in the rotation who are significantly cheaper. I think Hendry can’t afford to go out and spend more money, especially with the ownership in the air and the economy. Why not get something for him?

"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher

by Musicdude10 on Jun 15, 2009 2:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Yankees have hitting....

Need pitching…..Why didn’t they want Marquis?

The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano

by kcjones on Jun 16, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gotta say I agree with most of the points here.

And as Al says, SOMETHING has to be done to shake these guys up. They’ve grown comfortable with (or perhaps accepting of) losing (despite the lip service to the contrary).

I’m now referring to Milton Bradley as “The Mistake By The Lake” (since Cleveland is no longer using it…). This deal was a bad one Cubs fans, and his offense doesn’t outweigh his downside and negative impact on the team. Sorry, but this one will haunt the team for a while to come.

Sad to see what has befallen the Cubs in just a few months.

Much like in the early 1970s, I think we’ll see this team broken up. The Cub nucleus of the late 60s and early 70s had their shots and couldn’t get it done. Deals were struck to try and fix the problems in 1970 and 1971, but they only made matters worse and ultimately that chemistry created a riff between the players and the manager (Leo the Lip). He seemed lost and unmotivated too back then (sounds familiar) and it cost him his job.

Eventually all the players who we Cub fans had grown to love and root for with all our heart were traded away in the early and mid-1970s and the team was gutted.

I know times are different now but I’m afraid the same thing is happening again. And it will not be pretty when it does.

Go Green! Go White! GO STATE!
King Leonidas: Spartans! What is your profession?
Spartans: HA-OOH! HA-OOH! HA-OOH!

by Zeke on Jun 14, 2009 6:40 AM CDT reply actions  

Your comments comparing Piniella to Durocher are spot-on, I think.

Finally, PK Wrigley had enough with Durocher and fired him — but got the wrong replacement, Whitey Lockman (another boring old Giants coach) and the team was getting old.

I’m not sure whether anyone replacing Lou at this point could change anything.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 14, 2009 7:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Now that I think about it, didn't "disinterested" Leo leave the Cubs in the middle of the pennant

race in 1969 to go to his grandson’s summer camp for a few days? Seems like “disinterested” Piniella is just taking a mental vacation from the Cubs for these past few weeks.

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Jun 14, 2009 7:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting comparison

and not an altogether inappropriate one.

From all I’ve read, Leo became completely withdrawn by 1972 and was managing in an extremely conservative, C.Y.A. style. No doubt his pride was wounded for failing to get the Cubs to the postseason in 1969 and 1970, which had to take a lot out of him. The near-mutiny in the clubhouse in 1971 also affected him, resulting in the team hiring Hank Aguirre as a “communications coach” who acted as a go-between between the team and the manager. And of course there was the media, relishing the opportunity to give it back to Leo in spades.

Now, Lou is still in relatively good communication with his players, and he hasn’t made enemies of the press. But he’s roughly the same age as Durocher was when things went south, and Lou has had to deal with two years of near-misses as Leo did. Managers like Lou and Leo are used to winning, and they’re used to seeing results when they put their foot down – so you can imagine how helpless they must feel when their teams keep losing even after all the yelling and screaming is done. It’s like having the rug pulled out from underneath them.

Ultimately the Cubs let Leo go and began plowing the team under by 1973. The same could very well happen to this edition of the Cubs in a year or two.

by CaliCub on Jun 14, 2009 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lou also lost interest in Tampa Bay...

… after management refused to uphold their promises to him to spend money to win, which led him to ask out of the last year of his deal.

I wonder if a “leave of absence” would help him — maybe let someone else run the team till the All-Star break, then let Lou come back.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 14, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't Sparky Anderson take a leave of absence?

I seem to remember he did at some point during his time as Tigers’ manager. Unfortunately I don’t think it helped the team much, as it happened during the late 80s or early 90s when Trammell, Whitaker, etc got old.

by CaliCub on Jun 14, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sparky

Didn’t he also think that the “Big Red Machine” was good because of his management?

by MN exile on Jun 14, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

He did. It was for "exhaustion" as I remember and didn't really seem to make a difference in the Tigers' play the rest of the year.

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King Leonidas: Spartans! What is your profession?
Spartans: HA-OOH! HA-OOH! HA-OOH!

by Zeke on Jun 14, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

While the comparison to Leo is apt,

the way Lou’s been sounding for a couple weeks now reminds me of how ol’ Dusty sounded many times in 04 and 05. Instead of fire or any real answers/ideas, we heard, “I don’t know, man” or “What am I supposed to do?” over and over again. And while Lou does have a hand in this season’s issues, it’s not just his managing errors or “senior moments” that are doing this team in. We aren’t hitting. Period.

As been said elsewhere, there are more than a couple players on our current roster that truly need to go, either via release or a deal. I wasn’t a fan of the Bradley signing, or of the Miles signing, or of letting Woody go. But what’s done is done. Now we have to figure out how to start winning ballgames again, and I think it begins with making some “real” moves, dealing a guy or two that still has value and that we can still get someone for who can make an immediate impact. Someone mentioned dealing Harden, and that’s a good start. As much as I’d love to see Bradley and others possibly dealt, I know that can’t happen.

In a way, rather than see this team flail away all summer, I’d rather see a fire sale and begin looking at next year. That is, IF we can’t figure this thing out in the next few weeks. Watching the same guys struggle and look apathetic while doing it grates on me. I know they’re trying, but damn what a difference between how our players look out there on the field and how others have looked. We play like we’re only half there, while the Twins, Astros, Cards, and just about everyone else we’ve faced plays to make things happen at any cost. Why is that, anyway?

I’m still hoping we can turn it around, but day in and day out, it’s looking less and less likely.

"We are not equations with hats." -Dean Young

by Kegler on Jun 14, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can you blame him?

Lou’s big deal seems to be that he expects his players to go out and try hard and love the game like he does. When he doesn’t get that from his players, he’s not going to want to try. I think this is Lou’s way of showing that he can’t use the players he was given. Yes, it is his job to go out and manage. But he’s not going to explode if it won’t do anything.

"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher

by Musicdude10 on Jun 15, 2009 2:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

The issue I have with that idea is....

… these are the players that Lou supposedly told Hendry he wanted.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 15, 2009 4:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Al, I remember Lockman was almost revered by Cubs players.

If memory serves, he was running the AAA club before he was hired and some of the players had him coming up to the majors. Maybe he was on Leo’s coaching staff by then, but I don’t think so…

Things get fuzzy as the years go by, so I may not have the timeline quite right…

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King Leonidas: Spartans! What is your profession?
Spartans: HA-OOH! HA-OOH! HA-OOH!

by Zeke on Jun 14, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well to be fair to Milton

He hasnt gone T.O. on anybody to the best of your knowledge, so thats not really fair. The problem, as it has been all along, is that he is the hitting equivalent of Mark Prior; other worldly talent, fragile health. And to boot, he simply hasnt been that good while he’s been in there.

His balls to the wall attitude was something many people around here welcomed, so I dont know that we can say for sure he’s a divisive personality in the clubhouse; hes just been really, really bad so far and definitely not worth 10M

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jun 14, 2009 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly. Fans tend to think that their impression of a player is the

same as the players in the clubhouse. In all reality, we have no clue how Bradley is perceived inside the clubhouse. We can, however, look at a stat sheet, and that’s a different matter altogether.

"Enough foreplay- let's get crackin'"- Fred Garvin

by davidalanu on Jun 14, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

True

Bradley could be a fine teammate, but if he isn’t playing and in the groove then how is he supposed to be the fiery leader they wanted.

by ChiefT on Jun 15, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

IF the absensce of Henry Blanco is Soto's problem

Then Soto is worthless and has no intestinal fortitude. I’m not implying Blanco didn’t help Soto last year, but at some point they were going to be separated one way or another.

Is Blanco supposed to caddy for Soto for 15 years?

I’ve heard nothing to suggest that that move was motivated by money, other than fans speculating. My understanding is, the Cubs weren’t happy with Blanco’s defensive effort in the second half of last year.

I’ve been vocal about Hendy and Piniella making this mess with a lot of their moves, but Soto’s failure is on Soto. To think Blanco’s absence accounts for 100% of the difference in Soto’s game is naive.

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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 14, 2009 8:59 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

Blanco also is old

With a catcher, the health issues and risks for them increase steadily with every passing year. It was smart to go younger

"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher

by Musicdude10 on Jun 15, 2009 2:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Koyie Hill

Soto’s problem is that he sat around in the off season and got lazy. His throwing mechanics are trashed and he didn’t get a spring training because he was riding the bench in the WBC. If they can get his defense to come around his confidence at the plate will return. Blanco was a good release since Koyie Hill has been a more than serviceable sub.

by ChiefT on Jun 15, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Better to have a struggling Soto out there

than a no-talent ain’t never gonna hit big league pitchers Koyie Hill out there. At least with Soto there is the hope he will get better.

by lookingdeadred on Jun 16, 2009 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Geez, a little harsh, don'tcha think?

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by daver on Jun 16, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Have you seen Hill's batting numbers?

A career .200 hitter (even worse as a Cub) is hardly a serviceable sub.

by lookingdeadred on Jun 17, 2009 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, and the sky is blue. (Actually rather gray right now.)

He’s a backup catcher. If he could hit, he’d be a starter somewhere. The Cubs just need him to be sound defensively and to call a good game. Any offense he brings to the table is a gift.

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by daver on Jun 17, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

you missed my point

ChiefT posted: “Koyie Hill has been a more than serviceable sub.”

My point is Hill is a barely serviceable sub. He is fine defensively, the first priority with a catcher, but he is not a big league hitter, that is why I would prefer a struggling Soto get most of the starts, at least with him (Soto) there is the chance for improvement.

by lookingdeadred on Jun 19, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't get it

he Cubs can’t score if their lives dependend on it, and they are carrying 13 pitchers. Is this a cruel joke or something?

Miles should have never been signed, and now he is hurting the Cubs both by the money he is making and because our GM won’t admit to making a mistake (ridiculous mistake that everybody knew except him) and he occupies a precious roster spot.

And finally, I had been a very vocal supported of Lou in the past, but I don’t like one bit the way he is sounding lately. It is very clear now that the Cubs hitters have a problem dealing with pressure and he doesn’t seem to recognize it and/or doesn’t know how to deal with it. The Cubs could have won the last two games in the Houston series by scoring 4 runs. But no, they score 4 runs in the game when the pitching happens to be bad. That one example to exemplifies how I feel about these Cubs.

by Luis on Jun 14, 2009 9:49 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Yup, same as yesterday

Any game of the last four except friday’s the could have won with 3 runs scores. The only one they couldn’t, is where they scored 4. From what we’ve seen of the Cubs, I don’t think that’s coincidence.

by Luis on Jun 14, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

2 in game 3

It never gets to extras then.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 14, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I really hope

… that the changes Al predicts are roster changes, not coaching changes. The easiest move is to recall Jake Fox and dump somebody in the pen.

I don’t see a trade coming. But I wouldn’t be shocked if someone gets released.

by elgato on Jun 14, 2009 10:23 AM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, his low batting average is killing the team.

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by daver on Jun 14, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Disagree with soto

I think Blanco may have had a positive effect on soto’s pitch calling and defense but I don’t think he was the reason for his success at the plate last year…………eventhough blanco was a veteran, it wasn’t like he was a big presence at the plate over his cub career.

And hoffpauir is worse than soriano in the field, less range and doesn’t have soriano’s arm. But I agree he should play so soriano can get healthy.

by cubsmania on Jun 14, 2009 10:49 AM CDT reply actions  

Lou seems lost, but is there correlation to 2007?

I remember that year Lou waited 50-60 games with the players he had and ran them out there everyday to see what they could prove to him…….then he made his mark by changing things around to his liking after that.

Maybe he feels that he needs to give people some time to prove themselves with all the personell changes from last year, and he’s been waiting back to get a feel for all his players and now he’s going to make his mark and change things around to his liking in the next few days.

I’m with others thinking that Lou may have lost it, but at the same time it seems like he must have some plan……

by cubsmania on Jun 14, 2009 10:57 AM CDT reply actions  

Lou has a plan.

I so want to believe that.

"We are not equations with hats." -Dean Young

by Kegler on Jun 14, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, that was also Lou's FIRST year.

I think he wanted to see what he really had when the bell was rung to start the season. I thought it was a reasonable approach rather than making pre-determined judgements about players based on reputation or rumor.

But then he ACTED and DID something. He didn’t just sit back and say “What can you do”?

I think someone once said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. “THIS time for SURE” as Bullwinkle used to say…

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by Zeke on Jun 14, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know he hasnt acted....

I’m saying maybe he will very soon…….or atleast I can hope!!!

by cubsmania on Jun 15, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would take Milton Bradley in the argument of “The worst possible club house guy” against anyone in the MLB

But the people who have played with him wouldn’t. How, exactly does your experience from the other side of the TV screen trump theirs?

Hoffpauir deserves Ab’s and he can’t be worse than Sori defensively.

If I’d had liquid in my mouth, I’d have spit it all over the screen.

This isn’t fantasy ball. That being said, if Sori is hurt, he SHOULD sit. But Johnson should go in for him, not Hoffpauir.

I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.

by drewishdrewid on Jun 14, 2009 11:05 AM CDT reply actions  

Honesty...

Drew,

Do you really think that baseball players tell you what they really think of one another? It’s a big social club and for the most part they support one another. Even Kerry Wood will say nice things about Sammy Sosa even though half of Chicagoland thinks that Woody took the baseball bat of the infamous boom box.

Johnson needs to go into centerfield for the black hole that his Kosuke Fukudome. So if you are going to rest Soriano, it pretty much has to be Hoffpauir. Unless the Cubs make a trade or bring an outfielder up from the system. Maybe they could give Jason Dubois another shot for a week or two so Fonsie can rest his sore knees?

by FrankSereno on Jun 14, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think

that players find ways to make it known when they don’t like someone. Kerry Wood is a perfect example. When asked about Sosa’s chances of getting into the HOF, he talks about Sosa’s numbers, because they are facts, and can’t be argued with. He doesn’t say “I liked playing with Sosa.” He doesn’t say “Sosa’s a great guy.” He says “His numbers are amazing, and you can’t argue with that.”

On the other hand, plenty of players DO talk about how much they like Bradley, how much they like playing with him, how hard they think he plays. There was a fanshot about this.

http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2009/6/3/897891/jon-heyman-on-milton-bradley#comments

The Cubs players quoted LIKE BRADLEY and they say so.

If you play Johnson when you should play Dome, Johnson is going to be terribly exposed.

I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.

by drewishdrewid on Jun 14, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

lou

i think the players feared lou in 07 and thats why they turned it around the 2nd half.as lou gets older he gets softer. i can see him opting out after this year the way things are going.that seems to be his style. i think the fire is burning out in lou.lets not forget hendry and the players.the new additions were terrible and the regulars are having terrible season. what a shame with the pitching we are getting. this division is easily winnable but not the way we are playing.

by NOMAR on Jun 14, 2009 11:46 AM CDT reply actions  

The usual Cubs M.O. -- fire the manager

And start another round of “rebuilding.” Because it’s always the manager’s fault.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 14, 2009 1:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Our best hitter

is Derrek Lee. Not Jake Fox.

Tamia Lynn Davis:
Born: August 18, 2008

by Unique on Jun 14, 2009 1:26 PM CDT reply actions  

I think our best hitter...

is on the DL. But yes, Jake Fox is not our best hitter. But I would like to see him get some time.

Free Ronny Cedeno

by Kansas25 on Jun 14, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lou Piniella may be tired and disinterested, but he ain't the problem

The problem is $220 million invested in a starting outfield that is awful. The problem is a one-year wonder behind the plate. The problem is the infield being littered with journeyman smurfs. The problem is a bullpen that is awful.

Lou? Yeah, he looks exhausted and like he wants to quit.

You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little messed up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?

by BLou on Jun 14, 2009 6:05 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

....do you have the correct gear for this type of baiting?

Youre act is as tired

Heavens to mergatroid is it ever type.

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"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Jun 14, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rec'd for journeyman smurfs alone

I don’t care what the rest says. That’s hilarious.

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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 14, 2009 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

smurftastic.

take a look at the winning game thread. You’ll find something to make you smile.

I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.

by drewishdrewid on Jun 14, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, that's so much to sift through

How about a link?

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 14, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2009/6/14/908556/overflow-thread-3-cubs-vs-twins#16979799

I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.

by drewishdrewid on Jun 14, 2009 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ah, nicely done!

Thanks for the link.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 14, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Still like Peanuts, though. Even if Dan and VCF don't . . . .

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Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 14, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good grief!

That’s pretty awesome.

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by daver on Jun 15, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

thank my lovely and talented wife

she did all the work.

I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.

by drewishdrewid on Jun 15, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bullpen and lack of offense....

Offense gets u thru the season….you have to get there first…..u win in the playoffs with AN ACE AND A CLOSER.

Wood and Dempster..though good…were not “lights out” closers. Cubs have a great starting staff…BUT…not an ace….there are 2 “2’s” and 2 “3’s”….it wins a lot o reg. seasson games but not a lot of playoff games. Bullpen…needs to be A1….top dog…best pens win. Cubs haven’t had it and still don’t.. Gregg is a downgrade from both Wood and Demp in the closer role…

See…
Hammels, Lidge
Beckett (Schilling), Pappelbon
Carp, Wainwright
Garcia (Contreras), Jenks
Schilling (Lowe /Martinez), Foulke

Face it….we aren’t putting any Cub starters (or relievers) in “that kind of light”

As for getting “to the playoffs”….the good…2 GB in loss column…the “bad”….this offense isn’t goign to get it done…

The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano

by kcjones on Jun 16, 2009 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jake Fox our best hitter????

Seriously, who makes up this crap? Good Lord.

You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little messed up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?

by BLou on Jun 14, 2009 6:06 PM CDT reply actions  

...........yawn

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"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip

by Hammer on Jun 14, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can we please

Can we please end this at besf goofy idea that is a cancer in Chicago sports that because a manager or head coach doesn’t have a hissy fit he lacks fire?

I have to admit though that little press conference aired at the start of the broadcast was really truly bizarre.

Yes I write fluffy fanfiction. I said it. If you want to read some email me for where it is.

by puckishcubsfan on Jun 14, 2009 8:18 PM CDT reply actions  

My Jake Fox statement was a bit of an overstatement, but.....

Who would you honestly take over him BLOU? The only hitter going into today’s game i would have taken at the plate is Dlee. If you don’t think he should be getting Ab’s now then your crazy. It’s almost unthinkable that his bat is in Iowa while Aaron Miles is in the lineup everyday as he is still trying to hit a ball 250 ft in the air for the first time this year.

by cliffyhoops03 on Jun 14, 2009 10:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Stats vs Chemistry...

I continue to be completely mystified why SO many historically good Cubs hitters (especially Soriano and Bradley) have continued to have awful years at the same time. If defies all probability, as the chances of multiple players on a team hitting so far below their career averages – even below their career worst years – cannot be explained, unless…

Unless you consider that there is some other factor that is impacting everyone. Was ARAM that important to the rest of this lineup? Did we have a bad hitting coach? Is Lou losing it? Has the team lost it’s heart? Somethings up, right?

I’m still willing to wait until the all star break to make any assessments about the team, and give these guys a chance to rediscover the offiense they have no reasonable excure to have lost. After that, I’ll start with my conspiracy theories..

by DisCUBbobulated on Jun 14, 2009 11:12 PM CDT reply actions  

good post

It is a mystery as to why some Cub hitters are having the worst year career wise this year. Perry is the sacrificial lamb for the team’s hitting problems, but only a fool would say he is to blame. Maybe Soto’s year last year was a fluke, but guys like Bradley, Soriano and Miles, are proven big league hitters and for whatever reason are having career worst years. Logic tells you they will turn it around, but this game is not always logical.

by lookingdeadred on Jun 15, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Soriano leading off

Okay, I know that this is the tired old argument. But with offense struggling like it has been and Soriano struggling to hit how long can we continue with him as our leadoff hitter. Lou dropped him in the order during the st. louis series earlier this year, and he struggled, but two days isn’t long enough to determine the result. Heck, we have seen him hit leadoff for two and half years with up and down results. Also, why do we continue to hear the argument that this team doesn’t have anyone to leadoff from Lou. Theriot would be a great leadoff hitter.

by IVYHOPESDreams on Jun 15, 2009 12:01 PM CDT reply actions  

which Theriot?

swinging for the fences Theriot? Or the Theriot who surfaced just long enough to poke a base hit into right today?

I think it’s moot. Lou wants Sori batting first.

I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.

by drewishdrewid on Jun 15, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're absolutely right.

This is a tired, old argument. Just search the site for “Soriano leadoff hitter,” and you’ll have more feedback on this topic than you could ever read in a single lifetime.

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by daver on Jun 15, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I gave up on this one...

…a long time ago, and frankly just don’t care where they hit him.

Until they get a clear cut leadoff hitter, I’m not sure it matters a whole lot at this point.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Jun 15, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's quite a bit packed in to this post.

But the timing is not yet ripe for a big deal or a big change. So changes of personnel are likely to be from within and some managers may not believe in AAA guys to the point where they get burried even when brought up. But apparently big changes are in order soon and I take that to mean Lou will soon make a major decision about who sits and who plays.

All of the off season stuff isn’t relevant now. The new owners will evaluate Hendry when the time comes.

But I will say this for Hendry, getting rid of Derosa wasn’t a bad idea per se, it makes sense. But they could have replaced from within instead of taking a chance on Miles. Signing Bradley wasn’t bad per se, he’s a helluva of an offensive talent (maybe in more ways than one LOL), but it’s risky because of the extremely high injury risk and the intangibles risk. Okay, so you gotta have a quality backup when you sign a guy ike Bradley. Also, consider Dome, still not sure what you have there and so another reason for that same quality backup. In fact, it might have made more sense to keep Deros and add Bradley just so you’d have a veteran backup for the OF slot that’s going to get a lot of ABs. The peripheral players were very poor choices.

I am a Wood fan, but I totally see a valid reason for letting him walk. This kind of “deal” does make sense if you want to be smarter managing the roster but I wish they would have chosen another guy. The guys counted on to step up and contribute have been inconsistent.

If w were getting decent production from Soto it would soften the problems but until recently he’s been pretty bad. I don’t think anyone can be faulted there, it happens (well, maybe Soto if he’s not in playing shape).

Soriano is a streaky player, you take the good with the bad and given his bad recently he could be injured.

There are some moves that can be made internally to tweak the roster and the manager can make some changes as to who plays more and who sits, but one of the things that ha bugged me is that we keep playing this damn season short-handed because the Manager won’t use the roster that is there or he and/or the GM have a preference to keep 1-2 too many pitcher around. The latter is not worth 15 wins, but it’s aggravating that we take this approach and it could be worth a win. This season, one or two wins could be the difference in making the playoffs, so you have to use your roster better.

by DudeVf11 on Jun 18, 2009 10:44 AM CDT reply actions  

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