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Down Goes Perry


ESPN link here.  Perry becomes the first scapegoat of the season and AAA Iowa hitting coach Von Joshua gets the nod.  Not much of a surprise, as many on this site saw this coming.

 

I know very little about Von Joshua, but if he has anything to do with Fox's AAA numbers, he can't be too bad.

 

So, what's everyone think about this move?  I'm all for a little shakeup at this point.

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Yes
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Meh
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Sad reality of pro sports

that you can’t replace most of the 25 guys that aren’t doing their jobs, so you can the coach. Hendry said they need a different voice. Question is: will they listen?

I have nothing funny or creative to write.

by Canadian Cubs Fan on Jun 14, 2009 12:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good Q

"We are not equations with hats." -Dean Young

by Kegler on Jun 14, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Suzy Q

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by dat cubfan daver on Jun 14, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Suzy K

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 14, 2009 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly, is this going to change anything?

I'm a lefty, maybe Lou should give me a shot for a position in the bullpen!!

by Chanman25 on Jun 14, 2009 12:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nope

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark

by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jun 14, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

precisely

I'm a lefty, maybe Lou should give me a shot for a position in the bullpen!!

by Chanman25 on Jun 14, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Poor bastard

Bunch a professional ballplayers can’t hit, so here’s your walking papers. Von to the rescue!!

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark

by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jun 14, 2009 12:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Professional hitters shouldn't stay in a slump forever

and Joshua will get credit for “turning them around.”

hmmm….

"I knew we were in for a long season when we lined up for the national anthem on opening day and one of my players said, 'Every time I hear that song I have a bad game.'" - Jim Leyland

by flachimesa on Jun 14, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rotoworld puts it best

“The Cubs fired hitting coach Gerald Perry on Sunday and named Triple-A Iowa hitting coach Von Joshua as his replacement.
Milton Bradley deserves the most credit for Perry joining the ranks of the unemployed, but Geovany Soto, Mike Fontenot, Alfonso Soriano and Aaron Miles have surely played roles as well. Perry was in his third year as the Cubs’ hitting coach. He presided over what was the game’s best offense in 2008 (the Rangers scored more runs, but they had the DH and a terrific ballpark for hitters aiding them). "

I'm a lefty, maybe Lou should give me a shot for a position in the bullpen!!

by Chanman25 on Jun 14, 2009 12:27 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

It's just plain wierd, that all these guys aren't hitting all of a sudden...

But baseball’s an emotional sport, I guess. I remember playing in a big 13-14 tournament in Lacrosse, WI – we were a scrappy team from Po-dunk missouri with 1 1/2 good pitchers, a reliever who threw dirt, and solid fielding. We were just having a great time, and took out the best team in Ontario (they were hung over) as well as a team wth three hitters already being scouted by MLB teams – but that was it – we were just having fun. This team isn’t having fun, they’re pressing, and maybe not even caring. "

by DisCUBbobulated on Jun 14, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If they didn't care...

…they wouldn’t be pressing, you can’t have it both ways.

The vast majority of players want to succeed. If not for the team, than for their own pride. These guys are just in a collective funk!

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Jun 15, 2009 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not his fault?

are we saying that it’s not his fault the cubs can’t hit? that it’s the players fault for not hitting? what’s his job then? he’s got a very good track record but what has been the problem for the cubs the last month or so? hitting. as hitting coach, that’s his responsibility. if he can’t get through to them anymore, all the more reason to let him go.

by Hawk8 on Jun 14, 2009 12:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Do you think Perry told Fukudome to continue that spinning thang?

or Soriano to continue swinging at pitches outside the strike zone?

My thought is that millionaires just don’t listen to hitting coaches all that much.

"I knew we were in for a long season when we lined up for the national anthem on opening day and one of my players said, 'Every time I hear that song I have a bad game.'" - Jim Leyland

by flachimesa on Jun 14, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think too much credit goes to the hitting coach when the team is hitting good

See BleedsbluinMI’s comment below

"I knew we were in for a long season when we lined up for the national anthem on opening day and one of my players said, 'Every time I hear that song I have a bad game.'" - Jim Leyland

by flachimesa on Jun 14, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think most of us fans that aren't familiar with how a ML baseball team operates lacks understanding of what a hitting coach does.

The players are adults, not high school kids. They can take advice from the hitting coach, but it is up to them to make changes in their swing, how they approach at bats, etc. The hitting coach asissts the hitters by reviewing tape of past at-bats if a hitter is struggling to look for what may have changes. He can then work with him during bp to find the solution.

He can also look down the road to see upcoming pitchers they will be facing to plan how they want to approach him. This is a change to make a change, that’s all.

Boy oh boy oh boy

by BleedsbluinMI on Jun 14, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well a better approach to the pitchers we face would be welcome to see

and obviously Perry is not finding solutions to guy’s struggles. Again I think there is merit to this chnge,and whileI don’t expect our guys to start tearing the cover off the ball, it couldn’t make things worse.

Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."

by DC Cubbie on Jun 14, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My point is a hitting coach probably gets too much credit or blame

depending on the situation. He can help with prep and identifying flaws. It is up to the players if they listen and implement. How is he going to “make” them listen?

I’m not advocating for or against Perry. He has a good rep. and the players seem to like him. This is just how it goes, probably unfairly. It is just a byproduct of this ridiculously bad season so far.

Boy oh boy oh boy

by BleedsbluinMI on Jun 14, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i would agree with you

that coaches get too much praise/blame. however, a great teacher of the game is someone that can motivize players to change and be better. there has to be something about people like dave duncan, leo mazzone, and leroy smith that make them great teachers of the game. ultimately, if a coach is great at analysis but not at getting players to implement that analysis, that analysis is not useful. in a position like hitting coach or pitching coach, one’s ability to gain the trust of players so that they respect and use the advice given to them is what separates the best from the rest.

by Hawk8 on Jun 14, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is the hitting coach, and we aren't hitting

this isn’t exactly unjustified.

Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."

by DC Cubbie on Jun 14, 2009 12:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, must have been those stupid pills he took all winter

How come I don’t see any fanposts heaping praise on Larry Rothschild? Anyone notice what the pitching has been doing?

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 14, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent point

Rothschild has been much maligned around here, but I haven’t seen him get any credit for a lot of things, like Dempster’s 2008 season or Marmol’s conversion to a stud reliever.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 14, 2009 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Called it

Sorry, I usually don’t brag or take pride in this but I was the first one to say he’d be gone a month ago when this thing started.

And to be honest, he didn’t do so well helping the guys hit in October anyways.

by ak123 on Jun 14, 2009 12:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

clap, clap, clap.

nice work calling that the hitting coach in the last year of his contract on a team woefully underperforming offensively might get fired.

DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Jun 14, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

THANKS!

Considering when I suggested this would happen almost everyone on the board blasted me saying I was crazy.

by ak123 on Jun 14, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I liked Gerald but...

Maybe a change will do the boys good. I’m not sure we’ll have to see.

Heroes get remembered but legends never die

by CubbieBlue1138 on Jun 14, 2009 12:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Joshua is a quality coach

He worked for the South Siders from 1993 to 2001, and was largely credited with the success of Frank Thomas, among others.

Hopefully his ideas will be followed, since the Cubs seemed to be tuning out Perry.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Jun 14, 2009 12:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think that last sentence...

just about sums it up. Players can eventually tune out the voice they’ve been hearing for awhile. Even if Perry was doing just as good a job as he did when he first started, the players might not be responding as well as they initially did. That’s why even good coaches get fired, and why many find success in new positions.

Free Ronny Cedeno

by Kansas25 on Jun 14, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

See how this works out

Most of the season is yet to be played. If Perry wasn’t able to get through and Von Joshua can, then we should see improved hitting.

Borrowing the words of Scott Skyles, today was Gerald Perry’s day to be held accountable. Not fact, my imagination, but Perry could have been paid for the season and will get another coaching job in the majors by next season or before if he wants one.

by AboutTheCubs on Jun 14, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just wondering -- how many people on this board tune their boss out after a period of time

And find that’s justifiable for the boss getting fired?

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 14, 2009 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, if 13 guys in the office are tuning out 1 boss.

It’s easier to let the boss go and bring him someone else to re-motivate them, in theory.

Now, is my laziness at the office a result of not being motivated? Not really, and it definitely shouldn’t cost my boss his job. That said, if my entire office was lackadaisical, then it probably is an indictment of my boss, and his performance should be reviewed.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Jun 15, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's a reasonable response.

My anaology is flawed. A boss can fire/discipline people. The hitting coach really can’t.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 15, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He can add input on whether or not to send a guy down

so that’s probably the closest it comes on the firing/disciplining, especially during ST.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Jun 15, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True, but he doesn't have much authority there

and none with vets.

My spelling is also flawed, btw.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 15, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And few bosses make so much less than their employees

Along with not being guaranteed any of that money if they are fired.

by madcow256 on Jun 15, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Makes little, if any difference.

The Padres have fired 3 hitting coaches in a year. In their case, they don’t have hitting talent. Better hitters are what they need.

As earlier mentioned, this is change for the sake of changes. MLB hitters rarely listen to anybody, anyway.

This is a team slump, it may be a combination of injuries, and players having down years. Just as most Cubs had very good years the past two years — the unexpected is taking place — most are having down years. Some may be nearing the end of their careers. Others may have had their career years already, some seem to be out of shape.

That’s baseball. This may be an off year, with our expectations set too high because we want the team to win badly. But, wishing won’t make it so.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jun 14, 2009 1:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

In the end

it seems to be just that type of year. Add in a that the team seems lackadaisical what ever happens. There is little passion on the team and, win or lose, tomorrow’s another day. The fact that we’re still in the hunt reinforces the lack of urgency that exists on the team.

At the end of the day, when the fans are more concerned than the team, shame on the team.

If you like Selig's handling of the steroid issue, you'll love his choice for next Cub owner.

by tharr on Jun 14, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Still stand by your "lack of passion" comment

after what happened in the ninth inning today?

This is why armchair psychoanalysis is dangerous.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 14, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll tell you another dangerous conclusion

Assuming that an isolated incident validates a trend. The fact that it was noteworthy merely reinforces the image of passivity on the team.

If you like Selig's handling of the steroid issue, you'll love his choice for next Cub owner.

by tharr on Jun 14, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes, one inning does not change

the lack of passion this team has shown…to suggest otherwise is laughable.

Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."

by DC Cubbie on Jun 14, 2009 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just because they don't demonstrate it every second

doesn’t mean they don’t have it.

And just because you don’t see something doesn’t mean it didn’t happen, either. You have no idea what goes on in the clubhouse.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 14, 2009 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But I do know

what happens on the field. Clearly this team is essentially passive. Do you suggest otherwise? Perhaps you have some personal insight that I and most Cub fans have overlooked. Please share.

Your logic seems the same as watching a .122 hitter get a game winning hit and then concluding he is an essential ingredient to the team’s success.

If you like Selig's handling of the steroid issue, you'll love his choice for next Cub owner.

by tharr on Jun 14, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

*Sigh*

Quantifiable things, like batting average, are obvious and apparent to anybody. Emotions aren’t.

I realize Chicago fans love coaches and players who stomp and scream and yell and make jackasses of themselves in public. But just because you don’t do that doesn’t make you any less passionate. It might even be a sign of maturity.

Tom Kelly looked like he was asleep on the bench throughout his career. Still, he was able to manage the Twins to two World Series titles.

I don’t think understanding this concept requires a three-digit IQ, but maybe I’m wrong.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 14, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you have some personal insight...

…backing up your assertion that Cubs players lack passion or motivation? Have you been in the clubhouse? In the dugout? Did DLee lack passion when he took a chance on running to third base yesterday? Did Geo lack passion when he smoked those three hits yesterday? Have the starting pitchers lacked passion in shutting down countless opponents at this point?

Look, I’m as frustrated with this team’s offense as anyone. But this type of comment drives me crazy. I would assert that YOU lack passion because this team hasn’t given you much to cheer about this season. And that’s just about where any discussion of “passion” or “intensity” should end. None of us have any idea how any of the players truly feel.

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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 15, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

I think comments about the team “lacking passion” are more a projection of the poster’s feelings than anything else.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 15, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

I’d rank comments like that among my top ten “Pet Peavys.”

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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 15, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ISWYDT

I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.

by drewishdrewid on Jun 15, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I
See
What
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I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.

by drewishdrewid on Jun 15, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Check

Learn something new every day.

by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 15, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nail on the head!!!!

One of the most difficult things to gauge, is the impact of a hitting coach on a team’s offensive performance. For the most part, these guys are psychologists first, and coaches second and you are completely correct in stating hitters rarely head their direction.

Just as Joe Torre didn’t become a genious when he joined the Yankees, Gerald Perry hasn’t forgot what he knows about hitting.

This could very well be a year where things just don’t come together, and that usually happens when a club feels they have it in the bag (after two straight division winning seasons). You have to prove yourself everyday, and for some reason, alot of guys are falling short of doing that.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Jun 14, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you look at AAA call-ups

over the past few years under Von Joshua, they are hitting well at AAA and they come in and hit at the MLB level. Soto, Theriot, Fontenot, Scales, and on and on. Many of these guys go back to Von for help instead of Perry. Whatever he says, they believe in him. We’ll see!

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on Jun 14, 2009 1:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If he can help Soto regain his ROY form - that alone makes this a good move

"There are no curses here...Games are won and lost on the baseball field" - Lou Piniella

by El Borto on Jun 14, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's Funny

I just finished a book called “Sweet Lou, A Life In Baseball”, by Melissa Isaacson. Several different players, coaches and managers independently and at different times from the mid-80’s to last year are quoted as saying Lou Piniella is one of the best hitting coaches they’ve ever seen. And yet, who gets fired here? Gerald Perry.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Jun 14, 2009 1:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I finished George Castle's book on Lou a couple weeks back.

It recounts much the same thing. Lou was a very hitting-focused player.

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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 14, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Piniella probably is...

…one of the better hitting minds in the game. Problem is, he can only preach what he believes, he can’t go up to bat for them.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Jun 14, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow..

I’m surprised to hear that. I’m not saying he isn’t, but one of the more public things he’s done is try to get Theriot to “drive the ball more” (swing for home runs) and that has been disasterous. I’m sure he’s given much more sound advice behind the scenes.

The journey is the reward!

by wicubfan on Jun 15, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Disastrous?

Hardly. Theriot is having a fine year, keeping his BA up while hitting for more power. .283/.343/.430 is fine production. If he could get the OPS over .800 — and at .773 he has a real shot at that — he’s a very good offensive player.

He didn’t swing for a HR yesterday — he went with the pitch to RF — and it won the game.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jun 15, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

His

stats are good, but his situational hitting doesn’t seem as good this year. There seems to have been a lot of times that a single to RF would’ve done the trick, but he’s swinging for the highlight reel. Maybe yesterday’s single is a sign that he’s decided to temper his quest for power with a little baseball IQ. We shall see.

DEJESUS!!!

by tomas21 on Jun 15, 2009 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Theriot..

was among the league leaders in hitting when Piniella gave the advice. Theriot’s overall season is not a disaster, but the point is that since Piniella’s advice, Theriot’s batting average plummeted and only very recently has started to rebound.

The larger question to me is, why tell a guy like that to “drive the ball” more? He is never going to be a 15 home run guy. Heck, he probably isn’t even a 10 home run guy. If he’s hitting .330, just let him be. That’s as good as he’s going to be..

The journey is the reward!

by wicubfan on Jun 16, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, "driving the ball" doesn't necessarily mean hitting home runs.

I think Lou, whether he realized it or not, was trying to get Theriot to raise his OPS – which is more valuable than batting average.

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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 16, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus,

He ain’t gonna hit .330.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 16, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok..

I certainly can be wrong. But my opinion is that Theriot was trying to hit home runs after he was told to drive the ball more. Whether it was Lou’s intention or not, my opinion is thats how Theriot took it.

Again, just my opinion, but I think he’s got alot better chance of hitting .330 than hitting 15 homeruns

The journey is the reward!

by wicubfan on Jun 16, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We could fashion a wager on that

With the proceeds going to Cubs Care. I’d take the HRs and you can have the average . . . . I may not win, but I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t lose.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 16, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Piniella...

…had a pretty successful career because he worked hard to become a legit hitter. He wasn’t a “5 tool” guy by any stretch, and had to think his way to the level of success he had. These are usually the guys who are best suited to give advice. Problem is, players have to be willing to listen, and we are in an era where that is by no means a given.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Jun 15, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Next

should be Lou. Perry was the scapegoat. The whole lineup doesn’t hit, so it must be Perry. Please. Players need to look in the mirror. Unfortunately, Soriano at this stage in his career will not change, Fukudome who knows who he listens to, Is Soto a one year wonder? Ramy is hurt, so blame Perry.
 Lou needs to evaluate himself, how about it Lou?

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Jun 14, 2009 2:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow

And some how, some way, Aaron Miles continues to have a job. Gerald Perry could do what Miles is doing…on the field…yet, he’s released. Go figure.

Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?

by krummy12 on Jun 14, 2009 3:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think DLee said it best in the post game

For anyone who heard, he basically said whichever team gets Perry, gets one of the best guys out there.

I personally am glad he’s gone. If for nothing else, the team could use someone new for guidance but I like what Derrek Lee had to say.

by ak123 on Jun 14, 2009 4:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Plus now

you get to tell people how you called it over a month ago.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark

by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jun 14, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha true

I hate bragging that I was right about someone losing their job.

But it’s very rare that I actually correctly predict something on this forum.

by ak123 on Jun 14, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Curious attitude

I don’t know if firing the hitting coach will result in the club hitting better. But to me, it’s odd that when the team’s pitchers struggle many here ask for Rothschild’s head on a platter but the reaction isn’t the same with Perry when the team isn’t hitting. Curious.

by Fraggin Judge on Jun 14, 2009 4:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Desperation move

Assinine.

You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little messed up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?

by BLou on Jun 14, 2009 5:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL...

You never cease to make me laugh.

Of course it is a desperation move. But something needed to be done, something to send a signal that the status quo was unacceptable. Gerald Perry was a sacrificial lamb in every sense of the term. The only question now is whether or not it will make any difference.

The best thing that can come from this is that the Cubs get a renewed focus and intensity, driven by the knowledge that it is their responsibility that Gerald Perry is no longer employed.

Ladies and gentlemen! It's 1985 all over again, but this time the offense goes to hell!

by Ross on Jun 14, 2009 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it's not exactly

an unprecedented move, either. When pitchers don’t do well, the pitching coach is fired a lot of the time.

I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.

by drewishdrewid on Jun 15, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes..

and firing Piniella at this stage is too drastic…but can it be far behind if they continue to underperform??

The journey is the reward!

by wicubfan on Jun 15, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The standings will play a huge role.

Yes, the Cubs have underperformed, but they’re still very much in contention.

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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 15, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ned Yost

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 15, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

...is collecting unemployment?

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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 15, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Indeed

Was fired during a pennant race, although unprecedented and for good reason.

Just wanted to see how you’d reply to his name only . . . .

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 15, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

AAAAAH!

ahem.

I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.

by drewishdrewid on Jun 15, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I miss Ned Yost in the Brewer dugout

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 15, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only history

ll determine the wisdom of Perry’s firing. In the meantime, let the speculation continue. Meanwhile it was a pleasure to see the Cubs break out the big lumber and pummel the Twins pitching staff into submission with 8 hits and 1 intentional walk. Happy days are here again.

If you like Selig's handling of the steroid issue, you'll love his choice for next Cub owner.

by tharr on Jun 14, 2009 8:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

ill take the win...

but 3 runs isn’t exactly “big lumber” or “pummel” of any pitching staff…

by desmoCubbie on Jun 15, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry

I neglected to indicate the sarcasm intended.

If you like Selig's handling of the steroid issue, you'll love his choice for next Cub owner.

by tharr on Jun 15, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

why not

Rockies got rid of thier coach and they are on a 10 game winning streak

by dhouse on Jun 15, 2009 9:37 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

11

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 15, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

AAA

Could send Perry to triple A

by dhouse on Jun 15, 2009 9:40 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Peavy

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 15, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or we could make Jake Fox the hitting coach.

Do you see what I did there?

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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 15, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That job's taken...

we’re grooming Bonds right now as a AAA hitting coach.

Free Ronny Cedeno

by Kansas25 on Jun 15, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, he's gotta start somewhere.

DesMoines area nightclubs – LOOK OUT!

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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 15, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Des Moines...

should be hopping. The Cubs just realized how much money is due in backloaded contracts and have decided Iowa is the easiest place to boost revenue. Rumor has it that Jeff Kent will become the third base coach while Bonds is the hitting coach and 1st base coach. Should be entertaining. We’re also rumored to be signing Roger Clemens as AAA pitching coach, and I’m just about positive that we’ve also selected our next AAA manager: Jose Canseco.

Sidenote: we’ll also be releasing Ryan Freel but will retain the rights to Farney, who will help Jake Fox play third.

Free Ronny Cedeno

by Kansas25 on Jun 15, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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