Cubs Get New Hitting Coach, End Losing Streak: Theriot's Single Wins Game Over Twins 3-2
by Al on Jun 14, 2009 5:11 PM CDT
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Let me tell you a little story about a team replacing its hitting coach. The team in question was the 2001 White Sox, coming off a 95-win division championship season in 2000. They got off to a horrendous start -- 14-26 on May 20 -- and decided, as the Cubs did today, to fire their hitting coach.
That hitting coach was... Von Joshua, who was hired today to replace Gerald Perry as Cubs hitting coach.
Perry was a scapegoat rather than the real reason the Cubs had scored only six runs in the four-game losing streak, a streak that ended today in dramatic fashion when Ryan Theriot singled with the bases loaded and one out. The Cubs beat the Twins 3-2 and jumped up and down surrounding Theriot as if they had just won a postseason series, which was a little bit much. I guess you can forgive the Cubs some celebrating; it was their first walkoff win since May 16 vs. the Astros and the first time the strains of "Go Cubs Go" had been heard wafting over Wrigley Field at all since May 30.
I tweeted earlier today that replacing Perry with Joshua was the proverbial "rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic", which is a little overblown, of course -- the Cubs haven't played well but aren't really a sinking ship. The win today combined with the Brewers' loss to the White Sox brings the Cubs back to within 2.5 games of first place (and only one down in the loss column). The NL Central is once again becoming the "Comedy Central" -- the Brewers lost two of three to the White Sox at home; the Reds got swept by the Royals, and the Indians have a chance to take two of three from the Cardinals tonight.
Today's win was satisfying in many ways. Obviously, Von Joshua couldn't possibly have helped anyone on the team this soon after being hired, but the team had better at-bats and I was especially pleased to see Geovany Soto hit the ball hard three times; his first double, in the second inning, would likely have left the yard on another day when the wind wasn't blowing in. His single in the ninth sent Derrek Lee to third base -- that was a pretty daring move by D-Lee with the play right in front of him, but he got away with it, and that set up the intentional walk to Mike Fontenot, followed by Theriot's game-winning hit, the type of hit we have become accustomed to seeing him hit over the last couple of years, going to right field with a pitch up and out over the plate. In the postgame press conference Theriot credited Lee with "carrying us on our backs" the last couple of weeks; Lee's two hits today moved him up to .278/.360/.444 and I don't hear any calls to move him down in the lineup any more, do you? He's also got a 13-game hitting streak and has reached base in 23 straight games.
All of this was after Ted Lilly and Scott Baker had matching outstanding outings as starting pitchers. Baker gave the Cubs a pair of runs in seven; Lilly managed to get to two out in the eighth with that same pair allowed (one on Carlos Gomez's first HR of the year, a ball that was really pounded and that might have wound up on Waveland on another day). Lou was clearly trying to get Ted through the eighth to see if the Cubs could get him his 8th win, and I'm not so sure I'd have let him pitch to Delmon Young. At this point the team need wins any way they can get them, and individual stats need to take a back seat.
Watching the Twins play is like attending a baseball clinic. I don't think I have seen all year, and maybe not in several, a team as fundamentally sound as the Twins. With the hitters they have, their pitching must be awful for them to be only a .500 club; Joe Mauer is a hitting machine (now at .412) and about 20 plate appearances short of qualifying to appear on the leaderboards. The uncontested stolen base that Gomez took in the second inning clearly had to be setting up exactly what happened -- Nick Punto's perfect bunt single that scored Gomez -- and even though many of us in the stands and probably everyone in the Cubs dugout knew what was coming, the Twins executed it perfectly and scored a run after two were out and no one on base. The Cubs could take a lesson from this kind of execution.
It's hard to imagine that changing one coach would make all the difference for the Cubs' sinking offense, although I posted on this site in favor of promoting him from Iowa three years ago -- that link also, coincidentally, happens to be the recap of the famous Michael Barrett-A. J. Pierzynski fight game. Joshua is well-respected by the organization, especially those who came up in the system with him as the hitting coach at Triple-A, where he has been since 2006 (and at Double-A since then). The current Cubs who have had him in the minors as hitting coach are: Soto, Theriot, Fontenot and Micah Hoffpauir.
If he can do anything with Aaron Miles, it will be a miracle. Miles had three poor at-bats and again mishandled a ball in the field. Can we please see Andres Blanco out there every day? At least he can field his position.
That's the only complaint I have from a nice day's win, with fewer and less noisy Twins fans in attendance. Keep the faith. This is still shaping up as a winnable NL Central for the Cubs.
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Nice win
Let’s make it a trend.
"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott
by Reddevil on Jun 14, 2009 5:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Finally....
I was really beginning to wonder. It seemed like a month.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on Jun 14, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whew!
Feels good to see a win today-let’s keep it going versus the ChiSox
Oh Baby!
by cubswgnrocks on Jun 14, 2009 5:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
All 3 games are on WGN, so EVERYONE can share in the revelry.
Go Green! Go White! GO STATE!
King Leonidas: Spartans! What is your profession?
Spartans: HA-OOH! HA-OOH! HA-OOH!
by Zeke on Jun 14, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just FYI...
… Tuesday & Thursday are with Len & Bob on WGN, Wednesday’s WGN game is with the Sox announcers.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 14, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
that’ll be a radio day. Only one’s a night game anyway…
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 14, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stupid night games on Tuesday
Grr.
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
by Allie on Jun 14, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the 21st century. Teams do play games at night.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 14, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
And I usually like night games.
But Tuesdays make me grumpy, b/c I’m stuck in a drafty 4H barn from 6 until almost 9.
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
by Allie on Jun 14, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel your pain. I have to work on Tuesday night.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 14, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too. But I'll be done by 9pm edt, so I'll catch some of the game :)
Go Green! Go White! GO STATE!
King Leonidas: Spartans! What is your profession?
Spartans: HA-OOH! HA-OOH! HA-OOH!
by Zeke on Jun 14, 2009 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I obviously dislike the White Sox...
so I’m biased, but I don’t think there is a worse announcer in baseball than Ken Harrelson. Every time I hear “He Gone!” I want to throw a grammer book at my tv.
I’m sure he’s a nice guy and all, but damn it if he doesn’t drive me crazy. And of course there’s this.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 14, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm in the minority because I like Hawk
Not because he does any sort of a good job, but because I am very amused by both his ups and downs. Hearing him go nuts in anger over balls and strikes is hilarious and so is him having a Hawk-gasm after every Sox homer.
Actually yes he is the worst announcer around, but I still like hearing him.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 14, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I imagine some Cubs fans will tune in to WGN on Wednesday because of Steve Stone.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 14, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stone is becoming annoying to me
I heard him today semi-mocking the Cubs for not keep Casee McGee. Earlier this season he said Milton and DeWayne wise are comparable players.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 14, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's no secret I like Stone...
…but him and Hawk together are terrible. Those two huge egos do not mesh well.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 14, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
really?
Who?
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 14, 2009 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think of Hawk as the Santo of the Sox
If you’re a Cub fan, you love Santo on the radio… If you’re not (or sometimes, even if you are) you wish he did more besides moan.
Hawk’s pretty much that guy, just on TV.
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
by Allie on Jun 14, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he's an "old crazy" as my friend calls them
They are best served being the color guy. Mike Shannon in STL is similar as well.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 14, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One thing I love about my fellow Sox fans ...
… is that they’re not afraid to call out The Hawk, as they did here.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Jun 14, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great; we're not afraid to call out Santo.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 14, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When? Where?
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Jun 14, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what
are your vaunted BCB search abilities deserting you?
There are plenty of people here who don’t like Santo. They all seem to like “Hawk” less, tho.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 14, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
I don’t like Santo on the radio at all, but I dislike Hawk even more.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 14, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you every use the user search feature?
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Jun 15, 2009 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
every = ever
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Jun 15, 2009 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've used it a coupla times.
But for, you know, substantive discussion, not “YOU SAID WHITE SOX!”
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 15, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is substantive...
… when the Cubbie fan poster claims that they never comment on the Sox. It proves their lying hypocrisy.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Jun 15, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Made you look
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 15, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As well, even in my posts above...
I joked about Santo lack of eloquence, which should hint to you how we view Ronnie. And while I know you won’t accept taking my word for it, I think it’s pretty common around here that we acknowledge Santo’s homer-ism, sometimes cluelessness, etc. (which again, I even noted in the post that you first criticized).
The difference in my mind though is that Santo is merely a color-man. Hawk is play-by-play.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 14, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I routinely call out Santo's broadcasting
As Drew said, what happened to your search abilities?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 15, 2009 6:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look at that
You got a whole bunch of new kids to play with. Good for you!
For posterity’s sake:
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jun 15, 2009 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not even really the homerism that bothers me...
‘cause you’re right, I find Santo’s to be endearing. For me, it’s really just his stupid catch-phrases and inability to use proper English. I can’t help but think of all the lil’ kids out there who will one day use “He gone” in job interviews when they grow up… :)
(Though I will admit that Santo isn’t exactly the Bard either.)
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 14, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Listening to Hawk is like wiggling a loose tooth.
Sometimes you can’t just can’t resist the pain.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 14, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BUT JUST REMEMBER....
It’s only one game,,,,You have to tune the Hawk out……Yes we wish the HAWK was gone..
by cubs north on Jun 14, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This again?
My god, 48 hours before the first ’09 Crosstown Classic game begins and the bitching about THE Hawk has begun already.
If bad grammar upsets you, I imagine you hate Ron Santo.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Jun 14, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ol' Diz knows the King's English
He knows the Queen’s English, too.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 14, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
this is sort of a Cubs blog. You might find a few people here who don’t like the Hawk. Too bad.
by LT on Jun 14, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
PSST...
… You don’t have to listen to the crazy old man.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Jun 14, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well technically I do...
if I want to watch the game on tv.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 14, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The mute button exists for a reason.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 14, 2009 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You could watch a game on mute?
The silence would drive me crazy (even more crazy than Harrelson would make me).
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 14, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just crank some tunes while you watch.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 14, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or put WGN radio
on at the same time.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 14, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you are outside Chicago, they won't sync up.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 15, 2009 4:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
even if you're in Chicago
they don’t sync up. But it’s better than the alternative.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 15, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you talking about you or Hawk
or are you the same person? Has anyone ever seen the two of you in the same place??
by LT on Jun 15, 2009 6:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ronnie...
Uses verbs. I consider this to be a plus.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 14, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um, oh, ah & da?
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Jun 14, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
see
now here’s where you’ve made your mistake. Santo is a homer, we all agree. He’s not terribly talented in the radio booth, we all agree — although I think his analysis has been getting better, not worse.
But he’s OUR homer. And we don’t come to your site to diss your guy. Of course, you don’t seem to go to your site much at all…
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 14, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Jun 14, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
who snores with n's?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 14, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're dyslexic
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
by Allie on Jun 14, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bad grammar is only the beginning when it comes to Hawk.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 15, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then that's the day
I hope Mets or Yankees are playing a day game.
There’s no chance I’ll get to watch WGN at work if they’re on.
by ak123 on Jun 14, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the seagulls gather to pay homage to one Theodore Roosevelt Lilly...
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jun 14, 2009 5:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmm. Dress those lines, mister!
Sloppy formation. Ted would NOT be pleased.
Go Green! Go White! GO STATE!
King Leonidas: Spartans! What is your profession?
Spartans: HA-OOH! HA-OOH! HA-OOH!
by Zeke on Jun 14, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
very nice
That brought on a fit of hysterical laughter
by burncruisin on Jun 14, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was a real nice win
Felt good, felt real good.
I’m really happy to see that Soto might have found some sort of power stroke again. He needs to keep it up (not his weight) because that is key to this offense.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 14, 2009 5:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
two complaints beyond Miles
Soriano and Fukudome looked pretty terrible.
Otherwise, great, great win.
by elgato on Jun 14, 2009 5:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah those three are the new axis of evil
At least with Soriano history says he will do better. With Fukudome, who knows how low he goes. Miles just needs to go away he is without question the worst player in baseball.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 14, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soriano
has to get going, enough already.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Jun 14, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's terrible.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 14, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liked Soriano's first AB
Hitting the ball hard to RF is a good sign, if he can do more of it.
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
by Allie on Jun 14, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soriano cost the Cubs a run, too.
That double in the second inning looked catchable from aisle 228, row 20.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 14, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This game didn't really deviate from the...
…“all pitch, little score” pattern the Cubs have established – and which cost Gerald Perry his job. But, hey, a win’s a win. I’m not going to complain.
By the way, Al, you wrote “Dmitri Young” in your recap – naturally, you meant his brother Delmon.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 14, 2009 5:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Man, those Youngs are confusing.
I could have written “Delwyn”, too, even though he’s not related. I’ll fix it.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 14, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've made that mistake, too.
And I never mind reading the name Dmitri Young – always thought that guy was fun to watch play the game.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 14, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice recap, Al
Today’s pregame thread might have been the most vile and depressing I’ve ever read. I realize these are trying times, but if the Cubs are upsetting you this much, it’s better to just walk away for a while.
For that matter, maybe it’s time for a suspension of all the rebuilding talk, trading away all the key parts of the team, etc. 2.5 games out with 102 to play doesn’t exactly put you in selling mode. As long as the pitching is this good, the Cubs have more than a ghost of a chance.
Things haven’t gone swimmingly this year, but maybe everybody got spoiled by how easy it all seemed last year. I saw some hopeful things today. We’ll see if they take hold against those yokels from the South Side (although I admit I was pulling for them today, despite Hawk acting like they just won Game 7 of the World Series).
As Al might say, onward.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 14, 2009 5:21 PM CDT reply actions 4 recs
very well said
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jun 14, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and the Cards are being no-hit by Lee and the Indians as I type
2-0 Indians through 7 innings
"I knew we were in for a long season when we lined up for the national anthem on opening day and one of my players said, 'Every time I hear that song I have a bad game.'" - Jim Leyland
by flachimesa on Jun 14, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad I wasn't
home to be in the threads today then.
by sue369 on Jun 14, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It got better once the game actually started
But yesterday’s loss left a bad taste in everyone’s mouth.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jun 14, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Twins play baseball the way it is meant to be played.
TEAM. FUNDAMENTALS. SMART.
No me, me, me.
Their first run was a thing of beauty.
This is why year after year, they get the most out of their limited resources – playing in a smaller market and in a terrible ballpark. It’ll be interesting to see what happens next year when the Target Center opens.
Why they aren’t higher in the ALC standings, I don’t know. But the Tigers appreciate it.
Go Green! Go White! GO STATE!
King Leonidas: Spartans! What is your profession?
Spartans: HA-OOH! HA-OOH! HA-OOH!
by Zeke on Jun 14, 2009 5:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Having Joe Mauer and Justin Morneau
helps maximize those limited resources too. I don’t know that there is a better hitter in the game right now than Joe Mauer.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 14, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He sure looked it this weekend. Sweet swing.
And sure, it helps to have players of that caliber. KEEPING them is always the trick in places like Minnesota, Pittsburgh, KC, etc.
Go Green! Go White! GO STATE!
King Leonidas: Spartans! What is your profession?
Spartans: HA-OOH! HA-OOH! HA-OOH!
by Zeke on Jun 14, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well if the Twins can't keep him
I sure would love to see him playing on the Cubs.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 14, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It seems like
the Twins want to keep Mauer, Morneau, Cuddyer and Nathan for the long haul, then mix and match everywhere else.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 14, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You do worse than having that kind of foundation
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
by Allie on Jun 14, 2009 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny. My home inspector said the same thing to me one time.
I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.
by dat cubfan daver on Jun 14, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My good friend is a Twins fan.
He keeps me posted and says outside of Nathan they have had bullpen issues. They are 11-21 on the road I believe.
But they draft well, trade well, and coach well.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Jun 14, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Len said this was only their second road series win this season.
Hard to believe.
Go Green! Go White! GO STATE!
King Leonidas: Spartans! What is your profession?
Spartans: HA-OOH! HA-OOH! HA-OOH!
by Zeke on Jun 14, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Their bullpen is weak
Their starters are OK. But I love the way the position players play.
The Twins are my favorite AL team. Big Rod Carew fan when I was a kid, and big Kirby Puckett fan as an adult.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 14, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess what I like most about the Twins is that they simply respect the game and play it like it's SUPPOSED to be played.
Refreshing in this day and age.
Go Green! Go White! GO STATE!
King Leonidas: Spartans! What is your profession?
Spartans: HA-OOH! HA-OOH! HA-OOH!
by Zeke on Jun 14, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
and they make the most out of limited resources. McPhail was not a good boss in Chicago, but he was a wunderkind in Minnesota. And Terry Ryan probably was even better.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 14, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is amazing
The Cubs have had the worst hitting month in my memory, and sit 2.5 back, incredible. Maybe 86 wins will win the division.
Something has to give with Soriano, is he hurt? or is he just clueless at the plate right now? And Dome has to take a break, give Reed some starts.
Just glad to see Soto rip the ball.
Lets have a good run Cubs.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Jun 14, 2009 5:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The thing I noticed
Was that DLee really came across as the teams leader today and I like that. The guy is back to being a “professional hitter” the last couple weeks.
That ninth inning was a great display of what the team can accomplish. Plus, they scored in three different innings which has been a rarity.
This is a good win to take into a series with the White Sox!
by ak123 on Jun 14, 2009 5:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I have a hard time writing this, but thanks to A. J. Pierzynski.
His hit gave the Sox the lead and win vs. the Brewers.
He’s still a jerk.
Go Green! Go White! GO STATE!
King Leonidas: Spartans! What is your profession?
Spartans: HA-OOH! HA-OOH! HA-OOH!
by Zeke on Jun 14, 2009 5:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, he is
but today he was “our” jerk.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 14, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im looking forward to that series.
I’ve got tix to the wednesday game and i can’t wait to see what happens at that game. i wouldn’t mind seeing soto take a whack or two at a.j. i’m not promoting violence but i really do not like that guy. that commercial with him and the whole left hand thing? was that supposed to be funny? it made him look like more of a jerk than normal. and thats quite an accomplishment
It better happen...
by Chicago White Sux on Jun 14, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I used to be of the "he's a jerk" mentality
then I met the guy before a game and talked with him for awhile. Really really nice, pleasant and very engaging. Of course, it probably helped I was wearing a Florida basketball shirt… ;-)
Sure he’s quite the little instigator and annoying s.o.b. on the field, but until Soto came out of nowhere, I wouldn’t have minded AJ coming in to take over catching duties. Sometimes being a jerk is ok if – as NBF pointed out above – he’s our jerk.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jun 14, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like him on the radio
He’s on the drive time show on ESPNradio once a week or something. He’s actually really funny and comes across as smart.
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
by Allie on Jun 14, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think A.J. is a pretty sharp guy
and he knows exactly what he’s doing. If he’s on your team, you love him. If he isn’t, you hate him. He can handle the criticism.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 14, 2009 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly.
The only place he didn’t get along was San Francisco, which is why they let him leave via free agency after having sent Joe Nathan AND two others to the Twins for him — one of the best deals in Twins history.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 14, 2009 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Francisco Liriano
was in that deal, too.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 14, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even better for the Twins.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 14, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always enjoyed mentioning that trade...
to my friends in San Francisco. For some reason, they never found it as amusing… :)
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 14, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you need to read more about him
his teammates don’t “love him” in fact quite a few of them dislike him. They tolerate him because he’s fairly productive for a catcher. Think Jeff Kent
by WanderingWanderer on Jun 14, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not right!
Jeff Kent is said to be a racist J.F. AJ is no Jeff Kent. Bad comparison.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Jun 14, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're right.
The main difference is that some of his teammates and most opponents dislike him.
I’ve never read a positive reported item about Kent the person and his relationship to his teammates. I’ve posted before the NYT article about Kent in the minors.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Jun 15, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kinda like Bill Laimbeer, eh?
Go Green! Go White! GO STATE!
King Leonidas: Spartans! What is your profession?
Spartans: HA-OOH! HA-OOH! HA-OOH!
by Zeke on Jun 14, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good comparison...
… but IIRC Laimbeer was a dirty player at times, AJ is not dirty. Irritant to opponents? Yes.
But the comparison to Laimbeer is a good one in that if he’s your guy you love him. AJ does make mistakes, but he’s a very alert, smart baseball player. And AJ’s a good baserunner too, in spite of not having great speed.
As Al observed, and it’s what I’ve respected about the Twins is that they have a baseball factory. Guys that come up with the Twins know how to play baseball. AJ is from that system.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Jun 14, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there are plenty of guys who think AJ is dirty
by WanderingWanderer on Jun 14, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Plenty?" Name them.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Jun 14, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Michael Barrett
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 14, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?
Barrett took a (wussy) sucker punch at AJ. Later Barrett even admitted that AJ didn’t do anything wrong.
Try again.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Jun 14, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 14, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is this so fun to watch?
I don’t even remember that game…
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
by Allie on Jun 14, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure I didn't see the game at all
but this is a great thing to watch…
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 15, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember the game
and this clip never gets old.
by sue369 on Jun 15, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love the one with Barrett fighting with Zambrano.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Jun 14, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Michael Barrett how quickly he went from Cubbie hero to the dearly departed.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Jun 14, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was never a Cub hero.
The team did absolutely nothing while he was here. They won AFTER he left and it’s no coincidence. He stinks at catching.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jun 14, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BS! Barrett was celebrated as though he helped his team win a World Series...
… oh, sorry that’s what AJ Pierzynski did.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Jun 14, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea what you're talking about.
The Cubs never even went to the playoffs when Barrett was with the Cubs.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jun 14, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not by anyone I know
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
by Allie on Jun 14, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With all due respect, where have you been?
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Jun 14, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NW Indiana
Surrounded by WS fans, actually.
I’m the only Cub fan left alive in my family.
But of the Cub fans I know, no one celebrated Barrett as anything other than a guy with a decent right hook and a really crappy catcher.
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
by Allie on Jun 14, 2009 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Once Barrett started showing who he was, he was far from celebrated
It was a cheap shot on AJ, and I was happy to see him go after that
Boy oh boy oh boy
by BleedsbluinMI on Jun 14, 2009 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubbie fans celebrated Barrett as a folk hero for his weasel sucker-punch, and man still do.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Jun 14, 2009 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
man=many
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Jun 14, 2009 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not true. I'm a Cubs fan and did not celebrate it
Maybe you didn’t read my post. It was a cheap shot and he needed to go. Please don’t tell me what I and other Cub’s fans thought about it.
Boy oh boy oh boy
by BleedsbluinMI on Jun 14, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, brother
So now that you’re not getting a rise from the group out of your usual material, it’s time to make stuff up, I see.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 15, 2009 6:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there's a difference between appreciating
a one-time success and turning someone into a folk hero.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 15, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Escobar, pitcher with the Angels
(He throws at him everytime he faces him after the ’05 ALCS)
You may not think it was a dirty play but Escobar CLEARLY thinks it was a dirty play.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jun 14, 2009 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What did AJ do in the '05 ALCS that was dirty?
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Jun 14, 2009 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying he did anything dirty.
You asked what players think AJ is dirty and Escobar thinks he is dirty.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jun 14, 2009 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you know what Escobar thinks?
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Jun 14, 2009 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you supposing he throws at him all the time...
Because he thinks he plays the game the right way?
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 14, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now this is silly.
YOU asked the question. He throws at AJ every chance he gets. Do you think he’s just saying hello?
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jun 14, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nuthin' like a little chin music
to say hello!
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
by Allie on Jun 14, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Escobar is a sore loser.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Jun 14, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then WHY doesn't he throw at any other White Sox?
Joe Crede hit the double to score the run and he doesn’t throw at him!
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jun 14, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many times has Escobar thrown at AJ?
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Jun 14, 2009 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since, I don't follow the White Sox,
I haven’t been keeping count. Since you’re a Sox expert, I’m sure you have that information at hand.
There is a Sox site on SBN, I bet there are plenty of White Sox fans who have the information you are seeking. Since this is a Cubs site, we really don’t chronicle the team on the southside.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jun 14, 2009 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When pressed...
… for proof of your assertion run, dodge and turn the table.
You made the assertion, apparently based on BS, and can’t provide a shred of proof.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Jun 14, 2009 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm confused
What are you guys even arguing about anymore?
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
by Allie on Jun 14, 2009 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cowsarecool220 vs. cowsarecool220
(Escobar throws at him everytime he faces him after the ’05 ALCS) You may not think it was a dirty play but Escobar CLEARLY thinks it was a dirty play…He throws at AJ every chance he gets. Do you think he’s just saying hello?
cowsarecool220, were you following the Sox to make this observation? If not, what was it based on?
Since, I don’t follow the White Sox, I haven’t been keeping count.
So you don’t follow the Sox? Then clearly your observation on Escobar throwing at AJ is bullshit.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Jun 14, 2009 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I follow BASEBALL!
You asked a question and I answered it. However, I do not have quotes from players at hand nor can I give you dates of games where these incidents happened.
However, I DO have general baseball knowledge of MLB teams. And yes, I do recall a couple of incidents after the 2005 ALCS.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jun 15, 2009 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let it go
Who the hell cares?
You appear to want to argue just for the sake of arguing. Yours is not the only valid opinion.
Boy oh boy oh boy
by BleedsbluinMI on Jun 14, 2009 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Just give me some truth"
The poster makes a claim then when pressed for proof resorts to a dodge.
It’s revealing when the poster claims to have an informed observation about the Sox but later disavows that.
‘I said I knew something about the Sox, but I don’t know (Richard) about them actually.’
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Jun 14, 2009 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK. I take it upon myself to proclaim:
DrCrawdad is now hereby the desginated AJ Pierzynski expert on this site. His opinions are not to be challenged.
You win. Let’s move on.
Boy oh boy oh boy
by BleedsbluinMI on Jun 14, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kind of like how you know so much about what Cub fans think of Michael Barrett
Apparently, you can read the minds of an ENTIRE FAN BASE, but cowsarecool can’t infer what Escobar thinks.
Neat!
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 15, 2009 7:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Jun 15, 2009 7:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
now that's
some irony right there.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 15, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that's irrefutable logic.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 15, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't even bother
You did what he asked and he won’t admit you did it.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 14, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Escobar supposedly throws at AJ AND he supposedly ...
… does this because you claim to know what Escobar thinks.
Do you have any proof or substantiation for this claim? How about a quote? Anything other than your abilities as a mind reader?
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Jun 14, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Examples do not back the claim that AJ is dirty.
AJ is an irritant, clearly, but dirty? I don’t ever remember hearing that. Nothing between AJ and Escobar falls anything near the category of dirty and certainly nothing like Bill Laimbeer’s antics.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Jun 14, 2009 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What exactly are you hoping to get out of this?
And if you would prefer something more easily cited, why not acknowledge that I already mentioned about Justin Morneau and Ron Gardenhire going off that Pierzynskis was dirty to the umps and press after he twice tried to cleate Morneau while running down the line to first…
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 14, 2009 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Examples of the "plenty" of players...
… who think AJ is dirty. There have been examples of contested plays but none where AJ did anything dirty.
This is a discussion group. When people assert something as a fact, they should be able to back that up.
he twice tried to cleate Morneau while running down the line to first…
So how did AJ try to cleat Morneau twice on one play?
If it’s the Twins complaining, take it that they don’t like their tactics used against them.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Jun 14, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was two different plays...
On May 28, 2007, in a game versus the Minnesota Twins, Pierzynski twice ran down the first base line with his feet on the inside of the base, possibly nipping Twins first baseman Justin Morneau with his spikes. Twins manager Ron Gardenhire was furious with the umpires, which resulted in a long tirade. However, he was not ejected. Pierzynski denied any attempt to step on Morneau.
For an article on the affair, see here.
The article seems to make clear (both in what is said, and what is implied) that the Twins don’t much like AJ’s manner of play. It’s irrelevent whether they’re right; they believe they are.
Look, I get that you refuse to believe that Pierzynski is actually dirty. That’s your prerogative and you may be right. But there are plenty of stories out there than indicate that many people think he breaks unwritten rules (ie is dirty). Asking us to supply a detailed list of every one of them is unrealistic and silly; all the moreso if you refuse to accept examples in lieu of an exhaustive list.
Which is why there really isn’t any point in our continuing arguing about it…
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 14, 2009 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One example proof of plenty?
Yeah, it’s damn crazy to demand that there be examples to back-up an assertion, an assertion made as though it were a fact.
So far “plenty” is the tenuous example of a play involving Morneau. They didn’t like the play, no one in the article said nor intimated that this play was dirty.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Jun 14, 2009 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
This is really that important to you? Whether or not AJ is dirty? WHO CARES???
It won’t matter what “proof” or examples someone gives, you have your mind made up. That’s fine, why keep arguing it?
Boy oh boy oh boy
by BleedsbluinMI on Jun 14, 2009 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently he was asking a rhetorical question.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jun 15, 2009 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 15, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last season his fellow players could have voted him into the ASG
They didn’t for a reason, I’ll bet a number of them think he is rather dirty.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 14, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure Justin Morneau and Ron Gardenhire do...
After that cleating attempt a couple years ago…
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 14, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joshua cerainly couldn't
have helped today, since he hadn’t arrived from Iowa yet.
These are the things you miss by being at the game and not watching on TV, Al! :-)
by Josh77 on Jun 14, 2009 5:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Look how good a job he did without even being there!
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by Al on Jun 14, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh boy, I can sense an onslaught of Joshuaisms ahead...
Von Joshua once advanced a runner by just thinking about hitting it to right field
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jun 14, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only after Ted Lilly showed him how to do that.
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by Al on Jun 14, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I call shennagians
Lou’s now brought in ANOTHER LHH.
The handedness must stop.
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by Allie on Jun 14, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Brewers, BTW,
went 1-5 on their homestand.
This division is eminently winnable.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 14, 2009 5:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the entire division is pretty craptastic right now, I agree with you.
Rob Neyer posted the other day about how even the Astros have a chance at this point. Astros!
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by dtpollitt on Jun 14, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's pretty scary given the state of their pitching staff.
And a reason they probably won’t deal Miguel Tejada, at least not right now.
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by Al on Jun 14, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs couldn't touch Russ Ortiz
but I read where he had pitched 18 scoreless innings in a row, including that game. Obviously, he wasn’t just vexing the Cubs.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 14, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most of those were in relief
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jun 14, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still
18 innings is 18 innings. Gotta count for something.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 14, 2009 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You bet
But tossing one inning of relief in 7 games is different than tossing 7 innings in one game. In the latter scenario, the batters get a chance to face the pitcher again, presumably after he’s already shown them his good stuff and may be tiring. That’s a luxury that most batters don’t get against your typical reliever.
I’m just wondering what happened with Ortiz – he was washed up, finished, kaput, done when the Braves gave up on him in disgust, and he certainly wasn’t changing any minds about that assessment in Houston when he first showed up there. He gets shoved in the ‘pen, and all of a sudden he’s unhittable. I just don’t get it.
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by Clutch16 on Jun 14, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Astros always do better in the second half
But the fact no one has run away with this division is a good thing.
Now if we could get on a roll and start putting pressure on everyone else….
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by Allie on Jun 14, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At this moment...
… 22 of the 30 teams are within six games of a playoff spot.
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by Al on Jun 14, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All Cubs need to do
Is win 3 more games than anyone else in the division. That’s not the most difficult thing to do…
by ak123 on Jun 14, 2009 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take one more game than anyone else right now.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on Jun 14, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Had the same thought
but given that we’re 2.5 games back, we need to win 3 more than the leader does, from this point forward.
by ChipSet on Jun 14, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, how many of us knew Theriot was going to hit a ball to the right side?
It’s gonna be either:
1 – A chopper to the middle of the right side, forcing the 2B to move to his left
or
2 – A bloop single right over the 2B head.
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by dtpollitt on Jun 14, 2009 5:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Or he was going to do what he's been doing
swinging for the fences and striking out with a huge swing.
Like that first swing of that AB? Hoff-like hugeness. But he shortened up. More of that, please, Ryan. :-)
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by Allie on Jun 14, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally agreed!
Ryan did exactly what he needed to do in that situation: put the ball in play to the right side. Of course, I’m sure Von Joshua told him to – telepathically, of course.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 14, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
EXACTLY!
There is a time and place for a HR swing and likewise a normal, go with the pitch swing. Theriot is probably so juiced by the HR’s that he thinks he’s The Machine! I keed I keed…
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by BigJohnAZ on Jun 14, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good win today.
nice to see them come up with some clutch hits and not have to take it into extras.
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 14, 2009 6:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Im so happy to see the W
This team has been spiraling a little this week. D. Lee has been a rock for this team.
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by jkobus on Jun 14, 2009 6:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
D.Lee..
D. Lee has been a rock for this team.
This wasn’t something you could’ve expected to hear around here last month… :) Wherever we fell in that debate, I think we all can agree we’re happy that the circumstances have changed.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 14, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I'm glad the debate is over
That stuff brought out some of the worst of BCB.
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"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jun 14, 2009 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about the Z being a pitcher argument
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by jkobus on Jun 14, 2009 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was one thread
DLee was a month’s worth.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jun 14, 2009 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about the Theriot being a SS argument?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 14, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still ongoing, AFAIC
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jun 14, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
People are still claiming that he is?
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 14, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lou remains convinced
Lord knows why.
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by Allie on Jun 14, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he HAS looked confused lately
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 15, 2009 7:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With Johan's meltdown today
Ted is moving up the ranks to start the ASG. Just got to keep winning.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 14, 2009 6:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Matt Cain would like to have a word with Ted.
Much as I like Lilly, it looks like Cain is the All-Star starter unless he falters.
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by Al on Jun 14, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cain is really really good
If Ted doesn’t start, he still only probably throws 2 innings. That’s fine with me.
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by Allie on Jun 14, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well Ted will have to do something about that
I still think he has some work to do, but he is moving up the list.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 14, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chad Billingsley might have a bit of a claim, too.
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by Al on Jun 14, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dan Haren too
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by Allie on Jun 14, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haren's been a hard luck loser so far this year
he could have 4 more wins, easy.
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by BigJohnAZ on Jun 14, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm happy to say that I had the foresight...
to draft Lilly, Billingsley, and Cain this year in my fantasy team. Yes, yes, I know I’m a genius. :-p
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 14, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Soriano makes the ASG
And Lilly isn’t chosen to pitch that would be a damn shame.
by ak123 on Jun 14, 2009 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure Lilly will get picked if he keeps pitching like this.
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by Al on Jun 14, 2009 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about Ozzie's comments about playing at Wrigley? I'm not sure if he feels that
way or if he does it just to stir up shit. It’s really kind of tiring by now. He makes some comment about how lousy Wrigley is, the sportswriters pickup on it and make a big deal, the fans go crazy. How about a new act?
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"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 14, 2009 6:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
if he doesn't like playing here
they can forfeit the games.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 14, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'm tired of it, too.
It’s clearly gamesmanship, and the Cubs (and the MSM sportswriters) should just ignore him.
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by Al on Jun 14, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
He does it every year. Boring.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 14, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Osgood is managing the Sox?
Woah.
Go Green! Go White! GO STATE!
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by Zeke on Jun 14, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy crap the Rockies have won 11 straight.
Why don’t we get to play the Mariners?
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 14, 2009 6:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's not all vs. Seattle, you know.
The Rockies also swept the Cardinals and Brewers during their streak. On the road.
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by Al on Jun 14, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess they should have dumped Hurdle long ago.
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"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 14, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why they're my new BFF.
Seriously, I draw a little hope from their streak. I mean, they looked pretty awful earlier this season. The Padres ripped off quite a win streak at one point, too. I hope the Cubs have one in them.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 14, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why don't the Cubs get to play the Royals?
When was the last time they played each other? Not the last time the two Centrals went at it.
That’s what I don’t like about interleague play. It can be unfair.
The Reds, for example, played last year in Toronto. Made sense, since the NL Central played the AL East. But this year, the Reds are playing in Toronto again. Why?
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 14, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cardinals played the Tigers three years in a row I think
Some strange scheduling thing.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 14, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And again this year.
The Tigers play the Pirates, Cards, Brewers and Cubs this year. Cubs fans would do well to root, root, root for the tabbies!
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by Zeke on Jun 14, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The interleague schedules for some teams make no sense.
The White Sox are playing the NL Central… but not the Cardinals. Instead, they get the Dodgers.
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by Al on Jun 14, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is the NL Central has 6 teams.
The rest of the divisions have 5 (with the AL West havng 4) teams.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jun 14, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yet another example of the MLB conspiracy to keep the Cubs out of the WS!
We have to beat out 5 other teams for a division title while everyone else only has to beat 4.
Damn “The Man”! And Chico too for that matter.
“The Man” is always trying to keep us down.
Bummer dude.
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by Zeke on Jun 14, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Power to the people! WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE!
Go Green! Go White! GO STATE!
King Leonidas: Spartans! What is your profession?
Spartans: HA-OOH! HA-OOH! HA-OOH!
by Zeke on Jun 14, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if there were a conspiracy
there would be at least one good team in our division
by tim815 on Jun 14, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its possible.....
That the schedule makers had a 50th year anniversary of 59’ World Series match up in mind thus they play LA instead of the Cardinals. Its too bad too since a SoX vs. Cards match up would have likely been played in StL thus encouraging me to make a trip down there.
by Big Ed Walsh on Jun 14, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure that would've helped us.
KC just swept the Reds.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 14, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
KC always does really good in interleague games
Or so my Royals fans friends claim. Idk about the actual numbers, but they do seem to raise their game against the NL.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 14, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In 2006...
… when they lost 100 games, the Royals were 10-8 in interleague.
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by Al on Jun 14, 2009 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe the Royals also won
the series against the Cardinals last year.
If you’re going to play a division in interleague, then play it (except if you have a natural rival). In Cincy’s case, if they had to play Toronto again, why not have the Blue Jays go to Cincinnati this time?
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 14, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stop using logic!
Don’t you know MLB doesn’t operate that way? :-P
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by Allie on Jun 14, 2009 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure that AL folks...
wouldn’t say they raised their game. They’d just say it illustrates the disperity between the two leagues. (I’m not endorsing that viewpoint, btw.. But I guess you could argue that’s a possibility).
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 14, 2009 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
AL has smarter front offices
than the NL.
pretty much across the board.
about the only nl teams that value their minors properly are the dodgers, marlins, and brewers.
no bosox, twins, angels, rays, etc…
by tim815 on Jun 14, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait developing your own talent is important?
I thought you just handed out big contracts to other teams talent
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 14, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, yeah. you're right
and bunting is for wussies
by tim815 on Jun 14, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The unbalanced schedule stuff is weird
And interleague is now forcing them to invent some kind of rivalry. In the bigger markets with 2 teams, they’re natural/easy… but, its weird.
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by Allie on Jun 14, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was at a Cubs/Royals game in KC in 1998
I don’t remember then playing since then but I imagine thay had to have played in 2001.
by burncruisin on Jun 14, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember them playing in KC that year, too
Not sure about 2001.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 14, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs and Royals played a series each year from 1997-2001, but not since.
1997, 1999 and 2001 were at Wrigley. 1998 and 2000 were in KC.
Cubs have won 9 of the 15 — 3-3 in KC, 6-3 at Wrigley.
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by Al on Jun 14, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs at KC is a series I want to go to someday
It’s kind of strange – I’m not from KC, I don’t root for the Royals, and I have absolutely zero connections to that part of the country. Yet I think it would be neat to see the Cubs play the Royals at Kauffman Stadium. It just seems like a nice, pastoral place with a mellow Midwest atmosphere. Of course I could be totally wrong but that’s the impression I get.
by CaliCub on Jun 14, 2009 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is
I haven’t seen the remodeled version of Kauffman, but I liked the old one quite a bit. I’ve heard the new version is pretty nice. Used to go there a lot when I lived in Columbia, Mo., which is about two hours away.
I’d like to go to a Cubs series in KC sometime, too. I can’t believe it’s been so long since they’ve played there. Aside from the stadium, KC is a great city. The Plaza area is pretty, and the Negro Leagues museum is supposed to be outstanding. Plus you can’t beat the barbecue.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 14, 2009 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a gorgeous stadium. The $250M they threw into the renovations was money well spent. I've been three times thus far in 2009.
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by dtpollitt on Jun 15, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kauffman is a great stadium
Although the nicest stadium that I’ve seen the Cubs play in on the road is Camden Yards. That stadium is absolutely stunning, with the warehouse in the right field backdrop and Babe Ruth’s childhood home is very near, I heard a rumor the ball park is built on the spot but I don’t think that is true. If you ever get there, Boog’s Barbecue has the greatest stadium food of all time.
by burncruisin on Jun 16, 2009 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and they're still 10.5 games out of first
makes one even more grateful that the Cubs, despite their poor start, are just 2.5 games from the top of the division.
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by Trey2317 on Jun 14, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This just in from @STATS_MLB:
Ryan Theriot of the #Cubs had his first career walkoff hit with a bottom of the 9th single against the Twins.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 14, 2009 6:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That can't be right
Didn’t he get the game winning hit in Rich Harden’s first start as a Cub?
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 14, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Impossible.
@STATS_MLB is never wrong.
Seriously, I don’t recall that game exactly – it would be worth looking up.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 14, 2009 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was wrong
Reed Mantle got that hit
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 14, 2009 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats what they said on SportsCenter too
I know he’s scored a GW run before…
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by Allie on Jun 14, 2009 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's had others
But they were in extra innings.
He got the walkoff hit for the Cubs to win their 10,000 game last year. Kerry Wood was winning pitcher vs. Colorado.
Check it, I’m 99% sure I’m right on this and I haven’t looked it up.
by ak123 on Jun 14, 2009 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait now that I think about it
That game might have been away lol.
I’m so glad I didn’t write I’m 100% I’m right on this.
by ak123 on Jun 14, 2009 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said...
…don’t mess with @STATS_MLB. They’re like the Borg.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 14, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't Wood notch the save in that one?
Not sure if it was home or away, but an S kinda guarantees there wasn’t a walk-off.
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"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jun 14, 2009 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was a win
And I was wrong, it was away. I think Marmol got the save that game.
But I definitely know that Wood got the win because everyone felt after that game it was only fitting his name would be attached to that victory.
by ak123 on Jun 14, 2009 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone know if CSN will have a special on the Crosstown series tomorrow night?
I thought I read that somewhere but verification would be good
Oh Baby!
by cubswgnrocks on Jun 14, 2009 6:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it was supposed to be from 7-10 CT?
Oh Baby!
by cubswgnrocks on Jun 14, 2009 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Btw Al...
The only area where I disagree with your recap is about the Cubs celebrating the win. I thought it was encouraging that they could show that level of enthusiam after how much they’ve struggled. Clearly they still care.
In a related sense, I also liked seeing Soriano cheering on his teammates during their at-bats, despite his struggles. I even saw Milton smiling at one point.
Anyway, the jumping up and down didn’t strike me personally as tacky and over-done. (Though again, I’m not exactly impartial…)
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 14, 2009 6:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's pretty much de rigeur for every team nowadays when a walkoff occurs.
I agree – the Cubs need to seize on any little lift they can get right now. Personally, I thought it was a little ridiculous when the Astros did it the second time Blum came through. But, like I said, everyone does it.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 14, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also thought the celebration
was over-the-top, but all teams do this now. Everything is to be celebrated. Linebackers dance, WR’s sign the goalpost, etc.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jun 14, 2009 6:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And that's why I rarely watch the NFL and NBA
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by BigJohnAZ on Jun 14, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a huge NHL fan
I’m now a bit bothered by some of the goal celebrations. Hockey used to be somewhat immune from over-the-top antics. Patrick Kane seems to be following the lead of Sergei Federov — but Kane isn’t as bad — yet. Federov’s juvenile jump-at-the-glass and then slide-to-center-ice-while-furiously-pumping is just way too much for one damn goal.
Gale Sayers once said that when you score a touchdown, act like you’ve been there before. But that era is gone. Only LaDanian Tomlinson seems to ‘get it.’ He — for the most part, anyway — after scoring, just hands the ball to an official, if one is close.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jun 14, 2009 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even though the Cubs celebration today didn't bother me...
I definitely agree that overall celebrations in sports have gotten ridiculous. This is especially true in the NFL…
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 14, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dear Ted Lilly:
Thank you for pitching a great game.
Sincerely,
Your eternal admirer.
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Jun 14, 2009 7:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pouring gas on the fire
Dero just went yard…..
by LT on Jun 14, 2009 7:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
But he wouldn't be better than Miles
right? We’re just being emotional.
by hmlee on Jun 14, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just say DeRosa during the Sunday night game
Joe Morgan still telling the same Bobby Cox knew he could hit story.
I miss DeRo.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 14, 2009 7:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, he is
helping the Cubs tonight. :)
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 14, 2009 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good
Though the Cardinals are looking at trading for him, they got more reason after that homer.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 14, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh
I think I would puke if he were in a St. Louis uni
by hmlee on Jun 14, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure they'd just hand the WS trophy to St. Louis
should that occur, but I’m not sure the Cardinals are going to be adding anybody of significance anytime soon.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 14, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
11 Homeruns
44 RBI’s and 42 runs scored. crazy
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Jun 14, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lee has a no-hitter
through 5.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 14, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Santana got taken out behind the wood shed today.
9 ER.
by salparadise23 on Jun 14, 2009 8:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I never know who to root for
in the subway series. I want them both to lose.
by salparadise23 on Jun 14, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wasn't
but i really loathe the mets.
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
by Allie on Jun 14, 2009 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I watched none of the 2000 World Series
Even if it’s a matchup I don’t really care about, like 2005, I’ll at least watch a few innings or maybe the last game. But I didn’t even do that much in 2000. Mets vs. Yankees was a big BFD for me.
by CaliCub on Jun 14, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless you live in NY like Doggie
for most of us that were around in 69 it is much easier to pull for the yankees to beat the Mets
by LT on Jun 15, 2009 6:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm in Red Sox country.
That results in me being forced to cheer against the Yankees in nearly every game.
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 14, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lee was batting 4th
So thats down from the original order this year, but a .444 slg pct is hardly Earth shattering, Theriot is at .430
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jun 14, 2009 8:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well Lee isn't a power hitter
Ideally he would hit second in a fully healthy fully producing Cubs lineup.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 14, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Third
Dome bats second.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 14, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since April and May are no longer here
Dome should be placed safely down in the lineup. Actually if Dome wasn’t sliding I think him hitting third would be better, plus it gives the lefty between Lee and Aramis that Lou desperately needs.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 14, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
he seems to feel more pressure batting second. Lee is a fine 3-hole hitter.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 14, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 14, 2009 9:11 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Keep that for the Cleveland series?
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 14, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta give props
to DLEE. He himself admitted he stunk, and he certainly was accountable during his funk. He has been the only one hitting consistently recently. Also, Bradley is trying hard and certainly gives it his all, even though he has “issues”. Both today, and yesterday, he managed to get on in the 9th inning to give his team a chance to win. Nice game from Soto, too! My jaw dropped!
Finally, I as well was there Friday and Saturday. Joe Mauer is a friggin’ BEAST! It is hard to hate Twins fans – they were just so “darned nice!” – and their organization really teaches their players to believe in their system – which is solid defense, having high baseball IQ, throwing strikes, and situational hitting. I wonder if they administer stringent written exams!
As we have all been acknowledging, you can’t fire 25 guys – or the GM with the way the ownership issue is – so the hitting coach is them trying to “do something”.
by The E-Man on Jun 14, 2009 9:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sadly...they could have just flip-flopped Bradley and Perry and probably got the same "improvement" they were looking for.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 14, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Greetings everyone.
New member here, just wanting to celebrate this win with fellow Cubbie fans. Especially since they avoided the sweep to the Twinkies, who I can’t stand.
Glad to be here,and go Cubs!
by owllover711 on Jun 14, 2009 9:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Welcome to BCB! We hope you enjoy your stay...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 14, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Freaky
I’ll go with the cliché, instead.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jun 14, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 14, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you!
What a beautiful picture; where’d you find it?
by owllover711 on Jun 14, 2009 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's SWL
If it’s not in his photobucket, it doesn’t exist…
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jun 14, 2009 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I download all my pictures from...
the internet.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 14, 2009 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Behold the power of google!
:-)
Also, welcome aboard.
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
by Allie on Jun 14, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya
"Some people want it to happen, some wish it would happen, others make it happen"
~ Michael Jordan
by ChiBullsFan on Jun 14, 2009 10:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dynamite drop in Monty!
That broadcast school really paid off! :-p :)
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 14, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's not the best color man in the league for nothing.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 14, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good to hear they won today.
Really happy Geo had some great hits today. Hopefully he keeps that going.
I agree with Theriot that Derrek is carrying this team right now.
by sue369 on Jun 14, 2009 10:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Eh
Derrek is doing a damn good job… but I think the starters are carrying this team. They’re the only reason we’re not even with the Astros.
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
by Allie on Jun 14, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good thing about baseball
1 game is all you need to start a winning streak and every day is a new day. Everyone knows this team is capable of winning…so lets hope they can go on a tear.
Plus I looking around, Cubs are the only team not hitting. Brewers aren’t as bad as the Cubs but look at JJ Hardy and Mike Cameron’s numbers.
by ak123 on Jun 14, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I agree
But the starters are the back bone of the team. They’re the reason we’ve been able to tread water while the offense scuffled.
Hopefully this is the game that gets the guys swinging the bats good again.
I just hope the off day doesn’t monkey with that. Plus, the off day is annoying. I’d like to get this WS series over with so that people on both sides can act sane again.
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
by Allie on Jun 14, 2009 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh they are still
losing with the starters doing so well. Derrek is the only one who has hit well lately. That was my point.
by sue369 on Jun 15, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DLee showed up as the true captain today
I felt the turning point was in the 9th inning when he was safe tagging up. You could see DLee pound his fist in excitement. That was something that had been lost in the last few weeks.
Seeing the team cheer after the victory was awesome. They really needed it and hopefully it’s a good momentum to carry them into Tuesday.
by ak123 on Jun 14, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's swap players with the Twins
Our #7 for theirs.
by JFCubFan on Jun 14, 2009 10:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If only we could be so lucky
And he hits lefty so Hendry and Lou would go nuts.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 14, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Caption suggestion
“They can take our lives, but they’ll never take my scrappy!”
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jun 15, 2009 12:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And a question
Watching the replay of Geo’s hit in the 9th, Tolbert just missed a diving stop on the ball. This allowed Lee to advance to 3rd in dramatic fashion. Does Crede make that stop?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jun 15, 2009 12:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good point.
Crede just might have.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 15, 2009 4:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I kinda thought
Dome’s last at bat at least looked better. No helicopter swings and he battled quite awhile. While he flew out it was a well hit ball.
by iowacubfan69 on Jun 15, 2009 6:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
He had some bad swings, but the times he made contact I thought they were generally good cuts. His fly out to center, for example, was solid contact.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 15, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is this helicopter swing something he was doing in Japan, too?
I can’t imagine that swing providing any power, even if he did make contact.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 15, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My impression is that it depends on what point he's making contact in the swing...
Ichiro, for example, does a similar running swing. Both Dome and him get away with it when they aren’t bailing out before their contact point. It seems like Dome gets his timing screwed up (particularly on outside fastballs) and consequently is moving away from the pitch when he should be driving it.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 15, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's not keeping
his shoulder down long enough.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 15, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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