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OWNERSHIP FIASCO: Tribune reopens talks for Cubs with Utay/Hindery group


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Talks to sell the storied Chicago Cubs baseball team have reopened with a rival bidding group, and are continuing alongside negotiations with the original Ricketts family buyers, sources familiar with the situation said on Thursday.

Tribune Co, which has been trying to sell the Cubs for more than two years, is talking to a group that includes private equity investors Marc Utay and Leo Hindery, three sources familiar with the situation said.

Spokesmen for Tribune Co and Ricketts said their talks are ongoing and Ricketts spokesman Dennis Culloton described them as positive. Utay and Hindery declined to comment.

And...

However, the deal was not finalized before an exclusivity period ended. Several sources said that Tribune is now able to negotiate with other buyers.

While the Ricketts group has lined up its financing, sources previously told Reuters that the sides cannot agree on the value of Cubs' broadcast contracts.

At this point, i'm beyond caring WHO owns this team... i just want the deal done so the team can begin moving on.There is work to be done on the field AND off the field, to Wrigley, with the farm system...

I was a Mark Cuban fan. Hopefully this will mean he can get back in to the mix as well. His last public reference to the whole thing i believe was this:

I knew that if they got the money they wanted for the team, well my bid was not going to be high enough anyway. If they didnt, or the other bidders couldnt come up with their money, they would come back to me.

I’m still waiting.

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This is the sale that never ends

Yes it goes on and on my friend. Some people, started following it not knowing what it was and they’ll continue following it forever just because!!!

Sigh.

There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons

by Allie on Jun 18, 2009 1:14 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

yep, fiasco is an apt description at this point.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Bill Potter on Jun 18, 2009 1:15 PM CDT reply actions  

wow.

I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.

by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 1:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Here's what I don't get

The only reason that this sale has taken as long as it has is because of Zell’s crazy financing demands. He’s making these demands to not have to pay capital gains tax… so basically he’s dragging things out in order to cheat the federal government out of money (nothing new there as far as business taxes and the wealthy are concerned). Yet, the bankruptcy itself is proceeding apace in (federal?) bankruptcy court. How is this allowed to work this way?

by Hilary Lee on Jun 18, 2009 1:34 PM CDT reply actions  

"Cheat" isn't quite the right word to use

It is the prerogative of every person and organization to reduce the amount of taxes they pay through whatever means possible within the letter of the law. The government isn’t entitled to any more money than their laws mandate. There is nothing unethical with how Zell would ideally want this sale to go down, from the perspective of taxes.

That said, as a Cubs fan who was happy when Ricketts ‘won’ the sale, and someone who would like to see the sale completed as soon as possible, it is incredibly frustrating to watch our organization sit in limbo as this drags out. Hopefully Zell will discover that he can’t find anyone who wants to take on that level of debt in this economy, and he is forced to complete the sale with Ricketts, taxes and all.

by madcow256 on Jun 18, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow. Cheat the government out of money? Just.......wow.

News Flash: It’s not the government’s money!

The founding fathers are rolling over in their graves.

"I'll never forget how I felt last October." ~Kosuke Fukudome

by Goodie1969 on Jun 18, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Let's cut the political talk now.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 18, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would call it civics, but your point is noted.

"I'll never forget how I felt last October." ~Kosuke Fukudome

by Goodie1969 on Jun 18, 2009 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think it's cheating as I believe he's going strictly by the book

It’s just that the laws allow a certain amount of leeway and he’s taking advantage of it.

I’m not advocating Zell’s actions as I believe its his greed that really cost him a good $150M. The sale should have been completed before any of us ever heard the words, “Bear Stearns collapse” on the news.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Jun 18, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I suppose "cheat"

was a poor choice of words. It’s just incredibly frustrating from my point of view as a Cubs fan to watch a sale get delayed so that Zell can stretch the loopholes to the breaking point….

by Hilary Lee on Jun 18, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is what blows my mind
Tribune Co and its banker, JP Morgan, have entered into
formal talks with the Utay/Hindery group and a deal could be
reached late next week, a third source said.

This quick? From talks just started? So how, they’d somehow find the financing for nearly the whole amount? Well I guess it can happen. Rickett’s banks got $65B cumulative TARP money. What’s a lousy $400M compared to $65B?

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Jun 18, 2009 3:20 PM CDT reply actions  

I know I'm gonna get flamed for this....

I love my Cubbies and always will but were becoming a pathetic joke more and more everyday!

I sit at home after the Cubs lose and wanna pound sand but I know I live in a state without that kinda land. I know in my heart Sori isn't a guess hitting hack and that Dero will never be back. Pitching is King, some do say and hopefully Aaron Miles doesn't play in a Cub uniform another day. By October this I know, to the playoffs we are for sure to go. Go Cubbies!!

by cubsluver22 on Jun 18, 2009 4:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Not even worth flaming.

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"

by AndrewJStone on Jun 18, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

really??

I sit at home after the Cubs lose and wanna pound sand but I know I live in a state without that kinda land. I know in my heart Sori isn't a guess hitting hack and that Dero will never be back. Pitching is King, some do say and hopefully Aaron Miles doesn't play in a Cub uniform another day. By October this I know, to the playoffs we are for sure to go. Go Cubbies!!

by cubsluver22 on Jun 18, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why???

Let’s see…we all love the Cubs. You’re pretty much dead-on with the pathetic joke especially in light of the expectations.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Jun 18, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I may flame you

for misspelling we’re, but what’s the point on the rest?

I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.

by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ever hear the saying...

there’s one born every minute?

I’ll believe it when they close the deal and it’s less than $850M-$900M.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Jun 18, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's no way Ricketts is buying

at the price he was offering. The economy has decreased the value of all professional franchises. Advertising revenue is down. The financing is one part of the deal but so are the broadcast rights.

I was just thinking though. Would this possibly mean that the Cubs would have some money to spend at the deadline? Here’s my reasoning. Zell does not want the on the field product to look bad through this as that would give any potential owner another bargaining chip. Now, I’m not saying that the Cubs are bringing in A-Rod, but maybe a $6/7M player. Prorated that would only be $2/3M for this year.

Also, if they are even sniffing Pedro, that would mean that Hendry, at least, doesn’t believe the well is totally dry.

by jerry morales rules on Jun 19, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

And can we end the Mark Cuban talk?

Seriously. The guy is out of the running. And he wasn’t the best choice, anyway.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 18, 2009 4:26 PM CDT reply actions  

The common sense "best choice" hasn't worked out too well to this point.

And a month ago, Utay was out of the running.

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"

by AndrewJStone on Jun 18, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Again, when it's over

I’ll believe it. Until then, who knows.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Jun 18, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why must the Cuban talk end?

Exclusivity period is over – which I would take to mean, at least in theory, that anyone/everyone is eligible again. Not quite sure where Cuban is on the pecking order, but if those above him encounter financial problems when it gets down to the nitty gritty, why couldn’t he emerge again as a serious option?

He’s got money and that’s what seems to be what motivates Zell (and I presume the bankruptcy court) the most. True, others appear to have had more money, but the guy with the most (Ricketts) is having problems, and who’s to say this Utay/Hindery group won’t have problems as well.

As for being the best choice (or not), to paraphrase William “Bill” Munny (Clint Eastwood) in Unforgiven right before he kills LIttle Bill Daggett (Gene Hackman)… “Best’s got nothin’ to do with it”

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jun 18, 2009 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

The point is, he DOESN'T have the money.

He wanted to leverage the deal even more than Ricketts does. He has specifically said he is out. Why bring it up again?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 18, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because he can afford Peavy

And Roberts

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 18, 2009 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

And you know this how?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 19, 2009 7:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

How do...

you know he doesn’t have the money?

I know you don’t like him because he doesn’t fit your definition of an owner and you have on your side, the good-‘ol-boys club that is stuck in the 70’s.

You’re starting to sound like an old grump-’noid with the constant undertones of, “I hate Mark Cuban”.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Jun 19, 2009 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

How do I know?

Because he came right out and said so.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 19, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Al, Al, Al . . . I didn't think that would have required this:

/sarcasm

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 19, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sigh.

Maybe not. But still….

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 19, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Let's look at the big picture...

…and hopefully the new owner will as well.

What is the big picture; work on fixing the reason this club needs Peavy and Roberts after spending the kind of money they have!

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Jun 19, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

It was a joke

Obviously a bad one

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 19, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yep

Mark Cuban is a paper tiger and didn’t meet the financial filter tests. As if that really matters anyway because there was a snowball’s chance in hell that Bud Selig and his fraternity of club owners were ever going to let Cuban join them.

$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.

by BLou on Jun 18, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just confirmed to ESPNChicago.com that Cuban WON'T get back in the mix.

http://vyous.com/sports/mlb/thecubs/2009/06/19/cuban-no-plans-to-reenter-cubs-mix—-espn

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"

by AndrewJStone on Jun 19, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, he does have some money.

Obviously it wasn’t enough money the first time around, hence Ricketts gaining exclusive negotiating rights. But if the Ricketts deal falls apart and whatever Utay/Hindery is offering doesn’t pass muster, etc…. Perhaps at some point the price tag and/or the underlying financial considerations will fall to a level where Cuban does become interested again.

Plenty of other stuff on this blog gets rehashed over and over again – don’t understand why the mere mention of Cuban gets you all emotional. I mean it’s not like he’s wearing a blue jersey or anything…

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jun 19, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Here's why.

Because so many people here thought he was the ONLY person who could “save” the Cubs. Nothing of the sort is true.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 19, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm a fan of a NEW owner in general, so the team can move forward.

As a younger guy, i’m probably just naturally drawn to Cuban… he connects with my generation well. I in no way believe he is the “ONLY” savior for the cubs. I just thought he’d be a good, passionate owner.

I’m still hoping Ricketts pulls through as Cuban has come out and explicitly said he won’t be getting involved again.

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"

by AndrewJStone on Jun 19, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting that you say "as a younger guy".

Tom Ricketts is eight years younger than Mark Cuban.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 19, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cuban has made a great deal of effot to communicate in ways my generation apprecaite.

As a blogger, i’m sure you can understand why a guy like Cuban might appeal to my demographic.

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"

by AndrewJStone on Jun 22, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Look for the sale to be completed in early-to-mid 2010

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Jun 18, 2009 4:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Sam Zell reminds me of a muppet

by CubbieBrian on Jun 18, 2009 4:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Reminds me of Gollum (from Lord of the Rings) personally.

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"

by AndrewJStone on Jun 18, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Rickets will never get his precious

by CubbieBrian on Jun 18, 2009 4:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Sam Zell is trying to get the best possible deal for himself while significantly reducing the amount of capital gains taxes he will pay

It’s called the world of high finance. And the sort of stuff that Zell pays rooms of highly paid lawyers, consultants and tax advisors to figure out for him. Zell WILL come out on top in the end. He didn’t get to where he is in the world of finance by being a pushover.

Besides, what has the lack of a real owner actually meant to the Cubs???? My Lord, Zell has already allowed the payroll to spiral to $136 million and has a hands-off approach to running the team. Isn’t that already a nirvana like situation for Jim Hendry? Careful what you wish for…a new owner is likely to pare back the payroll !!!

You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little messed up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?

by BLou on Jun 18, 2009 5:08 PM CDT reply actions  

You could be right

but for someone who’s made his coin in real-estate, he was pretty naive in thinking he was going to milk a buyer for more once the banking system nearly collapsed last year. The writing was on the wall even before Bear Stearns collapse.

I really believe he could have hit 10-figures if he wasn’t trying so hard to limit his tax exposure.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Jun 18, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bottom line -- Sam Zell being "owner" of the Cubs hasn't inteferred with a damn thing in the baseball operation

Under Zell the payroll has been allowed to zoom up to third highest in baseball at $136 million. Zell also isn’t interferring with the baseball operation. Hell, I bet he couldn’t even identify Jim Hendry out of a police lineup.

I gave up caring about the ownership saga. It hasn’t gotten in the way of anything. My issue is with Hendry building a dog.

You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little messed up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?

by BLou on Jun 18, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have to agree with BLou

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 18, 2009 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

The zzzz's were in his response to his Hendry bashing.

We’ve heard that argument already. It seems like anything he says anymore is the exact same thing regarding Hendry. It’s old.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Jun 19, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hard to argue with you there

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 19, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

like

a kind of bionic Lassie?

I thought that the payroll was already pretty high before Zell bought the team. Certainly, his refusal to deal quickly has cost him a lot of money.

I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.

by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

You are a strange odd little fellow

Go back to defending Sam-ME. I’m really getting sick of your horseshit when it comes to my posts.

You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little messed up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?

by BLou on Jun 18, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

That was hardly necessary

He made a joke. Lighten up, Francis.

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 18, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't say he interfered with baseball operations

I said his greed in an effort to limit his tax liability blinded him of the impending market collapse.

He’s a real-estate mogul. The flatlining of the housing market in late 2006 / early 2007 should have sent a chill up his spine.

He likely could have offset a vast majority of the additional tax liability if he sold the team much sooner; before the banking crisis.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Jun 19, 2009 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

I will

venture a guess that this is a ploy by Zell to gain back some leverage and to pressure Ricketts into some concessions. It certainly does not allow Ricketts to wait out Zell/Bankruptcy if Rickets feels the threat is real. It certainly makes me question Zell a little bit and whether there was some backroom dealings going on with the other bidders during the exclusive negotiating period

I guess another way to look at was the 2nd place bidder were continuing to work their deal in the hopes that they could swoop in and steal it away once the exclusive negotiating period expired.

"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb

by TheRiot Police on Jun 18, 2009 8:46 PM CDT reply actions  

I should not

that I did not read the article before I posted this…

"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb

by TheRiot Police on Jun 18, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you are correct.

… regarding this being an attempt to get leverage over Ricketts. We’ll see. Note that all the articles say that the Ricketts group is still negotiating.

My take on it is that eventually, the Ricketts group winds up closing the deal.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 18, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

At what cost??

We have become a 3 ring circus. When its all said and done Zell is gonna handcuff the new owner so bad that were gonna have to start over yet again. Were gonna moan, groan, and complain about not winning but at the end of the day Ricketts or whomever buys the Cubs are buying them for profit. We have this year and maybe next to win one. If we don’t well I foresee us having to wait at least another 10-15 years!

I sit at home after the Cubs lose and wanna pound sand but I know I live in a state without that kinda land. I know in my heart Sori isn't a guess hitting hack and that Dero will never be back. Pitching is King, some do say and hopefully Aaron Miles doesn't play in a Cub uniform another day. By October this I know, to the playoffs we are for sure to go. Go Cubbies!!

by cubsluver22 on Jun 18, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Huh????

So what do you want to do? A whopping $136 million payroll isn’t big enough for you?!? How much more money do you want Jim Hendry to have to spend?!? Is the “solution” to keep spending and spending and spending seeing how the first $136 million has gotten us a .500 style ballclub chocked full of some mega-awful back-loaded contracts?!?!?

Where has Sam Zell failed in his role as interim owner? I have a real hard time understanding that one. He has given Hendry the stars and the moon.

$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.

by BLou on Jun 18, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup....

the districts with the highest spend per student are some of the worse. For exhibit A, I give you the Washington, DC school system. But no one wants to tackle the real problem and it isn’t just the Gov’t.

Blou is right about the Hendry spend. He’s done too many back-loaded deals. Regardless of that even though its big, the lack of a sale has put the Cubs on the fence, not on one side of it or the other.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Jun 19, 2009 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

I, for once, agree with you.

Zell hasn’t handicapped this team… the money has certainly been spent to win. And with good result, of late.

I’m more interested in the ownership issue in that i want to see progress off the field as well. The upgrades being made to Wrigley year to year are minimal at best. Where is the triangle building? Where is the massive nine digit overhaul the field needs to harness the extra revenue and give the great fan experience that other big market / big spending teams (Yanks, Red Sox, Dodgers) give? When is our scouting, farm system, and front office (all of which lack compared to the other big market teams) going to get adequate attention?

Zell and the Trib have been understandably wrapped up in other things the last few years. We’ve been howling for saber metric analysis… but we don’t have an owner paying attention to that sort of thing, and by most accounts, the current office space in Wrigley is bursting at the seams and the staff can’t much expand without moving or renovating.

There are so many ways this new owner, if interested, can help build this team beyond payroll. We don’t know where whoever gets the team will take payroll, and can only speculate on that. But any owner who didn’t start on the process of building the team in other areas wouldn’t be bidding this seriously. And THAT is why i’m so interested in the new ownership ordeal.

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"

by AndrewJStone on Jun 18, 2009 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

No

what I’m saying is whoever buys the team will pay far more than its worth. In order for them to get things back to a + side in the profit margin, they will have to blow this whole thing up and start over. Thats probably a good thing but its gonna be more years and years yet again that we don’t see a contending team.

I sit at home after the Cubs lose and wanna pound sand but I know I live in a state without that kinda land. I know in my heart Sori isn't a guess hitting hack and that Dero will never be back. Pitching is King, some do say and hopefully Aaron Miles doesn't play in a Cub uniform another day. By October this I know, to the playoffs we are for sure to go. Go Cubbies!!

by cubsluver22 on Jun 19, 2009 6:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think he's simply looking for resolution soon

Zell hasn’t interfered with baseball operations in 2007, 2008. It appears however to be the case this year with the deal in limbo. Therefore, if a deal were already struck, or very, very soon, at a minimum everyone would know where the Cubs stand; regardless of being able to spend more or not. They’d at least know their answer.

I don’t know how much the new owner is going to get handcuffed. It’s obviously a sticking point in the Ricketts deal since they are coming up with about half of the total purchase price themselves.

IMO Zell’s insistence on highly leveraged debt has cut into the sales price. If he moved quickly (in 2007) before the banking collapse – and I can’t state this any more clearly – it’s quite possible Zell could have grossed over $1B in the transaction.

Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.

by blackhawk24 on Jun 19, 2009 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Absolutely true.

If Zell thinks he is going to get more money from others by opening up the bids again, he is mistaken.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 19, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

you can't possibly

be suggesting that Zell has screwed this up. He’s sharp as a tack! He’s a fireplug! He’s a tiger made out of real tiger!

I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.

by drewishdrewid on Jun 19, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Even sharp people...

…can get in over their capabilities, and we’ll see how this plays out.

He is banking on Ricketts looking at this purchase as more emotional than objective, and if the emotion takes over, Zell will get his way.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Jun 19, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know Ricketts

but I doubt he’s earned his millions (billions?) by being emotional. Zell is not in the best position here.

by jerry morales rules on Jun 19, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think Tom Ricketts, who Zell is dealing with has 'earned' millions per se...

… that’d be J. Joe Ricketts who build the company now known as TD Ameritrade.

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by AndrewJStone on Jun 19, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tom Ricketts has earned plenty of money on his own.

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by Al Yellon on Jun 19, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Undoubtedly. But inheriting an empire isn't the same as building one from scratch.

I’m all for Ricketts, don’t get me wrong. He was my second choice all along, and all along i recognized the chances of Cuban getting the team were not likely. I think Ricketts will do a fine job, and i’m excited for the next chapter in ownership for the Cubs as i honestly believe anybody bidding to buy this team will have to take it in a good direction to draw the revenue they hope.

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by AndrewJStone on Jun 22, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

IMO he's banking on Ricketts' feeling the pressure...

from Utay and Co being involved and will value less, the potential of the renegotiated TV contracts; which is what I understand is holding this up.

TribCo wants to keep things status quo once the existing TV contracts expire. Ricketts wants to control who he can sell those rights to once the contracts expire. IIRC, the difference is in the $50M range in valuation.

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by blackhawk24 on Jun 19, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ah Sarcasm Meter...

I’ll go out on a limb that if the team sold in the 1st 9-12 months it was on the block, Mr. Zell would have got about $1.1B.

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by blackhawk24 on Jun 19, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Or at least $1 billion...

… which is about $150 million more than he’s going to get now.

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by Al Yellon on Jun 19, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Honestly...

…I’m surprised the price has held up as well as it has, considering what has happened in the last 12 months.

I was thinking it would drop to around 800 mil, or maybe even 750.

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by MPH73 on Jun 19, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Probably not more money

But more financing by the buyer. Ricketts’ proposal was about 50/50. IMO, Zell is looking for more like 85/15; 85% financing that is.

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by blackhawk24 on Jun 19, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Excuse my ignorance...

…and maybe you can help me understand this.

Why is it beneficial for Zell to have the purchaser put down less cash? Would this not work the same way as you or I purchasing a house from a seller – whether we put down 10% cash or 50%, the sellar still gets a check for the agreed upon sale price at closing.

I know these deals are a bit more complex, but I am missing something here.

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by MPH73 on Jun 19, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

My rudimentary understanding is

The more that is financed, the less that is subject to capital gains taxes.

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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 19, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

You're not missing much at all

The more financed the more tax savings for Zell.

It’s due to the capital gains from the deal. TribCo bought the Cubs IIRC for around $20.5M in 1981. They’re now selling it for much more.

I don’t know the actual laws on this. I’d have to ask my buddy who’s in lawyer in commercial real-estate for details.

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by blackhawk24 on Jun 19, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

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