Only 26 College Grads in Baseball
"Shockingly, while many current major leaguers had college experience, we found only 26 (including managers), who have earned degrees. The brainiest team was the A's, with three graduates and seven key members of the lineup having university experience."
Wall Street Journal-Who Has the Brainiest Team in Baseball?
Found this and was just floored by how low the amount of college grads there are in the majors. I know most of these guys are drafted right out of high school and most only go to college for a couple years but 26 players and managers in ALL of baseball, that is just ridiculous. That is less than 1 a team!
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A lot of guys can’t afford to go back to college once their scholarship is gone. Plus, they don’t have the motivation anymore, especially if they spend 3 or 4 years in the minors. I would be curious to see what the number is for guys who are drafted, but who do not go on to play in the big leagues.
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by Ross on Jun 18, 2009 4:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If you're counting guys taken in all 50 rounds of the draft
The number will be ridiculously high.
by Poloplaya14 on Jun 18, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?!
But Major League baseball players seem so intelligent
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by DTJchris on Jun 18, 2009 4:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
found this little gem:

"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
by DTJchris on Jun 18, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
classic.
this deserves to be green
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by LPLancer23 on Jun 18, 2009 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
26 - Not Surprising
College baseball players can’t take a lot of hours during their spring semesters because of all the class time that is missed because of road trips and the raw number of games played. What happens if you need to take a particular class to graduate and that class is only offered during the spring semester late in the afternoon or at night, when baseball games are scheduled?
To make matters worse, there are only 11.7 scholarships awarded to each Division I baseball team. In states like Tennessee and Georgia, players can get HOPE scholarships through the state lottery in addition to partial athletic scholarships. For most college players who won’t go on to even play AA baseball, baseball is not very financially rewarding. It quite frankly can get in the way of getting a college education. That hurts their financial rewards outside of baseball.
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by memphiscub on Jun 18, 2009 4:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Joe Girardi
Former Cub Joe Girardi got a degree in industrial engineering from Northwestern. That’s impressive!
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by memphiscub on Jun 18, 2009 4:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought that number would be higher
because every player seems to be an expert on chemistry
by CubbieBrian on Jun 18, 2009 4:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think DeRosa was the last Cub with a degree
I believe Shark graduated but I don’t think you count folks not on the 25 man roster. Needless to say not all intellect can be measured with college experience or a degree.
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by Doggie Stalker on Jun 18, 2009 4:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
did her graduate?
I thought he left after his junior year…
Beats me though…just going on memory.
by cubbot on Jun 18, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am nearly certain he did.
If we did go to the 40 man roster besides Shark, Fuld graduated from Stanford.
There are few Ivy leaguers out there including Asmus & Chris Young ( the pitcher). There is some rookie who I believe went to Yale.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 18, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are correct , he did NOT graduate
Left after Junior year but a little unclear if he maybe he later got a degree
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by Doggie Stalker on Jun 18, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DeRosa will wait until his career is over to complete his degree
Getting my degree is definitely something I’d be interested in, but it’s something that will have to wait until my career is done.
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by flachimesa on Jun 18, 2009 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a great thing to say
but in all honesty, if he has enough money, and depending on what he’s planning on doing post-playing days, why? It’s not like a normal BA degree is likely to further his career.
by chitownhawkeye on Jun 18, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That really does depend on what he plans on doing
If he’s a bright guy and doesn’t want to be in the baseball world for the rest of his life, having a BA will open up lots of doors for him. Although it might be more accurate to say that not having that degree would shut him out of lots of jobs he’s really perfectly qualified for.
by aldimond on Jun 19, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For some people....
It’s an important life goal to earn the degree. Particularly when you’re already a millionaire, you don’t use monetary incentive to make your decisions.
I generally think too many people go to college that have no business doing so, but if you are just going because you like learning and don’t need to worry about money…well, there’s nothing wrong with that.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 19, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Finally, someone said it....
As if a college degree has anything to do with baseball IQ. Or even intelligence in general.
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by DrGalazkiewicz on Jun 18, 2009 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be interested to know the number of guys who earned their degree after college
Most players drafted in the June Amateur Draft have clauses requiring the school to pay their tuition to school, covering however many years of school they have left.
I’m not terribly surprised with these numbers, given the amount of time spent on the baseball field versus in a classroom for most of these guys in the spring and summer. I think it’d be more accurate to try and find how many guys receive their diploma (in a certain amount of time) when their careers are over.
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by Trey2317 on Jun 18, 2009 5:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
*after playing, not after college.
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by Trey2317 on Jun 18, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not surprised
Even though I am so in favor of advanced education, if I had a chance to play in the pro’s most likely meaning I would have been drafted in HS, I would have had to take that chance.
But once having been in MLB (not just a cup of coffee), I’d have to think that after earning all that money, I’d be hard pressed to convince myself to go back to college.
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by blackhawk24 on Jun 18, 2009 5:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm surprised it's that MANY.
Most college players, as noted above, leave school once they’re drafted and don’t come back.
Andre Dawson also had a college degree.
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by Al on Jun 18, 2009 5:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I dont see why this matters
Or if this was posted just out of general curiosity….if you can throw a piece of dead cow 90 miles an hour, what use do you have for a degree?
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jun 18, 2009 5:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Doug Glanville
graduated from University of Pennsylvania.
Jody Gerut graduated from Stanford.
by Clark Addison on Jun 18, 2009 6:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I wish I could find the commentary
I was reading the other day on the hypocricy about the NCAA and sport leagues not caring about baseball players being drafted coming out of high school, but football and basketball players needed at least a year of two in college.
The reason was that baseball is not a revenue sport, so it doesn’t affect them, whereas they want to keep talented players in the other sports as long as possible.
Of course, it’s not that clear cut, there are many reasons, not the least is baseball having an actual farm system unlike the other leagues to develop talent, but it was an interesting point, and there is probably some truth to it.
by chitownhawkeye on Jun 18, 2009 7:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That sounds interesting
The age restriction in the NBA is complete b.s. I wonder if the built in tradition and atmosphere of college basketball/football would be enough for the sports to flourish if all the McDonalds All Americans when straight to the pros; so often thats the argument cited by people who prefer college sports; the tradition and atmosphere
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jun 18, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go Out of High School or Stay At Least 2 Years
I wish the NBA would go back to allowing 18-year olds into the league. However, if you don’t go pro right after high school, then you ought to be required to stay in college for a minimum of two years before being drafted. I don’t see OJ Mayo or Derrick Rose going back to college to get their degrees. There have been scandals surrounding USC and Memphis, respectively, involving those players. I can’t stand one and done players. Go straight to the NBA or stay in college for at least 2 years.
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by memphiscub on Jun 19, 2009 7:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats the point though..
there is no need for Rose or Mayo to get their degree, it would be pointless in a practical sense. Isnt that the rule with MLB, if youre drafted after highschool, dont sign and go to college you have to wait until youre a Junior?
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jun 19, 2009 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some of these basketball players barely "graduate" (wink, wink) from high school
and don’t have the smarts to attend college other than to play basketball. For some, their ACT and SAT scores are lower than the requirements of a regular applicant.
They “attend” college for the minimum time and enter the draft at the earliest possible time.
OSU/Portland Trailblazer Greg Oden is a prime example of this. One and gone. Oden shouldn’t even have Ohio State University next to his name. He enrolled but was he really a student in the classroom? Hey, he did take History of Rock and Roll and Sociology as a freshmen at OSU.
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by flachimesa on Jun 19, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Derrick Rose
He allegedly had someone take the SAT for him. I know he was interested in other schools or coaches than the University of Memphis and John Calipari. I wonder if those other schools are glad Rose didn’t come. Rose is a prime example of someone who should have been allowed to go straight to the NBA out of high school. He was more than good enough to do that.
Maybe, if a quality player, who isn’t good enough to go the NBA straight out of high school, has to stay in college for at least 2 years, that player will feign some token interest in college. That’s better than one and done.
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by memphiscub on Jun 19, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Football is a little different
only because I think you’d be hard pressed to name a kid coming out of high school who is physically or mentally prepared for the NFL. But yes, I don’t believe the NBA rules are actually designed with the players in mind.
by chitownhawkeye on Jun 19, 2009 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The rule was made with the NBA in mind, not the players
the extra year (players don’t have to go to college, can play overseas or NBA D-league) weeds out players who aren’t ready and keeps the caliber of NBA players higher.
I don’t think that there is anything hypocritical with the NBA making the rule, as long is it acknowledges it is about protecting league quality.
by TC Cubby on Jun 19, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't really believe
it’s about league quality so much as avoiding throwing a ton of money at a kid who won’t be able to handle the pressure and talent differential. Especially seeing how it’s a new rule and there are several high profile high schoolers playing now.
Personally, I’d argue that the quality aspect has dropped for years, one of the reasons I rarely watch the NBA anymore.
by chitownhawkeye on Jun 19, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why should the league have to protect quality?
Every team has a strong and obvious incentive to protect its own quality. The teams that rationally measure risk against reward when drafting and negotiating contracts with these high-school players will be at an advantage over those that don’t in every time frame. That doesn’t mean not signing high-schoolers at all — it means, perhaps, letting them fall a few draft spots and not paying them like the sure things that they aren’t.
by aldimond on Jun 19, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think if these kids go to college they should be required to get their degree or at least play 4 years.
Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!
by Cub Style on Jun 18, 2009 9:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why?
If an accounting or computer science major is offered a lucrative job at IBM after his sophomore year, without completing an actual degree, do you think he’d accept it? What about a fine arts major being offered a Broadway performing opportunity?
It’s all relative guys. It’s easy to say what’s good for someone else but the reality is, for a great portion of professional athletes, academic degrees are meaningless and pointless. And that’s just fine.
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by krummy12 on Jun 19, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about a "great portion" of pro athletes
I agree with your main point that people should have the freedom to leave college as they please, but I think it’s also important to realize that almost all pro athletes have to work after they retire from their sport. Baseball is probably the strongest example, where most players drafted even in the early rounds don’t make the big leagues. But consider the NBA or NFL. The majority of players drafted make close to the league minimum and play for maybe a handful of years. They will need to work again.
And I don’t think there are analogs in other fields. The fine arts scenario is vaguely possible, but there’s a glut of talent in the arts (I know lots of music majors… orchestras and the like must be nothing but pleased to look at the large number of instrumental performance graduates each year competing for the limited number of job openings; they practically don’t have to recruit at all, just post an audition notice and wait). The case I can think of where that sort of thing can happen is a person leaving school for a pop career (that is, pop music, meaning everything from being the next Britney to starting a punk band, or Hollywood acting). I did computer engineering and I can tell you that’s really exceedingly rare in the programming world these days — maybe someone that’s done exceptional open-source work could be an exception. Way more programmers leave school to start their own businesses than get hired for lucrative jobs by established companies before their degrees are complete. And in most other fields individual talent is less important than in computer programming, so companies (especially big stodgy ones like IBM) will wait for a “complete” product with a degree. For one, it would NEVER happen in accounting. The legal requirements for a person to work as an accountant are very tough in this post-Enron world. Accountancy is a five-year degree program that’s nearly impossible to complete early (I had a couple ACCY friends in college and several family members in the field).
We just have to recognize that professional athletics really is different from just about every other field out there. There are few where individual talent matters so much that major institutions in the field will go after talented players at a young age. And these players are (ostensibly) getting degrees in something unrelated to the field itself. Imagine a computer programmer getting educated by majoring in psychology and joining ACM as an “extra-curricular” (even if he really did spend almost all his time there). One could hardly blame that programmer for thinking he’d get educated better and faster on the job.
by aldimond on Jun 19, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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