Cubs Find Lost Offense, Win In Comeback 6-5! Sun Rises In West, Cubs And Sox Fans Get Along ... Well, Nothing's Impossible, Right?
by Al Yellon on Jun 18, 2009 5:05 PM CDT
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PrintIn the bottom of the eighth, after Milton Bradley had struck out with two runners on base, I was sitting in the bleachers thinking gloomy thoughts along the lines of, "What on Earth can I write recapping this disaster?", when Derrek Lee and Geovany Soto suddenly brought life to the blue-shirted portion of today's sellout of 40,467 by slamming back-to-back homers, Lee's into the basket in right, Soto's deep to left-center. It was the Cubs' first multi-homer game since a 7-1 win over the Reds in Cincinnati on June 7, in which Ryan Theriot and Alfonso Soriano homered.
That tied a game that it appeared Carlos Marmol had put out of reach in favor of the White Sox in the top of the eighth by allowing the White Sox three solid hits and two runs. That's only the fourth time all year (in 33 appearances) that Marmol had to be lifted before an inning was over. I'm getting a little worried about him. Fortunately, Sean Marshall put out the fire (after walking Josh Fields) and Kevin Gregg threw a scoreless inning, helped by a nice defensive stop by Theriot, keeping the score tied.
Now, tell me this: even though Soriano has been in a monster slump, why on Earth would you pitch to him with first base open in a tie game with two out in the bottom of the ninth? Theriot hasn't exactly been setting the world on fire, and walking him sets up a force play. Sox fans in the bleachers couldn't believe Ozzie actually went to the mound to discuss it and then decided to pitch to him.
Sori delivered the game-winning single to CF, capping one of the best comebacks of the year and giving the Cubs a 6-5 win over the White Sox.
It is often said about wins like this that they can energize a team and send them on a winning streak. Of course, that's only true in hindsight; perhaps we will look back months from now and say, "That was the game that started the Cubs on their playoff run." All it is, for the moment, is a well-deserved win after the first seven innings were more-of-the-same; wasted opportunties with runners in scoring position, three double plays in the first six innings, and another fine pitching performance from Carlos Zambrano seemingly consigned to the "L" column. Incidentally, if you're thinking about starting the "DP-Lee" talk again after his DP grounder today, don't; that was DP #2 for Lee this year. His production since May 17 now is .362/.439/.574 with 5 doubles, 5 HR and 15 RBI in 94 at-bats.
Z had his heavy sinker working again; in the first five innings there were eight outs recorded on ground balls. The pitch count got a little elevated later and so did his pitches, one of which was driven into the LF bleachers by Alexei Ramirez for a two-run homer after Z's pitch count was already over 110. Lou had Aaron Heilman up in that inning, but apparently thought Z could get Ramirez after the second out was recorded.
I still think a major move needs to be made to pump up this offense; Aaron Miles, who did not start today but came into the game on a double switch in the 9th, grounded out with a chance to win the game and really should just be released. I'd still be in favor of getting Mark DeRosa back. Maybe the Tribe could just leave him here after the weekend. I don't mean to start the back-and-forth firestorm about DeRo again, but since he'll be in town...
In any case, the Cubs will have their hands full with Cliff Lee tomorrow; Lee nearly no-hit the Cardinals last Sunday, and we don't want any of that going on.
Finally, I received multiple emails about nastiness in the game threads today. I don't know how many times I need to play hall monitor and scold you, but the rules of this site are clear. Be passionate about baseball and the Cubs, but be nice to each other. If someone's bothering you, walk away. Thanks for your help in keeping this place an enjoyable place to be for everyone.
And now let's start a long winning streak!
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Now, tell me this: even though Soriano has been in a monster slump, why on Earth would you pitch to him with first base open in a tie game with two out in the bottom of the ninth? Theriot hasn’t exactly been setting the world on fire, and walking him sets up a force play. Sox fans in the bleachers couldn’t believe Ozzie actually went to the mound to discuss it and then decided to pitch to him.
I believe that’s a perfect example of Guillén’s narcissism and stubbornness. That move epitomizes his petulance, and I’m happy it came back to bite him in the ass.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
I agree to a certain extent.
Not sure about the narcissism part, but I’d guess Ozzie pitched to Soriano because he believed Alfonso would strike out to end the game and, in doing so, take the Cubs and their fans to a new low. Didn’t happen.
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Except that it wouldn't have ended the game.
Just prolonged it.
"I'll never forget how I felt last October." ~Kosuke Fukudome
It's still not as bad as pitching to Chipper Jones with 1B open in a game winning/losing situation, IMHO.
"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." ~ Frank Sinatra
Agree, that one was really bad.
But it’s past.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
Frankly....
…the way Soriano has been going, I think Theriot would have had a better chance to get a base hit to win the game. I would have done the same thing.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Agree fully.
Theriot is more of a contact guy, unlike Soriano who could get the Sox out of the inning with three of his patented whiffs. It didn’t turn out right for Ozzie, but I support the strategy.
"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." ~ Frank Sinatra
If Soriano was hot...
…it’s a different story, but he has been ice cold.
If your concern was giving up a homer, you walk him, but if your main concern is a base hit, i pitch to him every time.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I second the notion of starting a long winning streak!
"He can't hit, he can't field, he can't run—all he can do is beat you."
In regards to your question of why do
you pitch to Soriano in the 9th? Brenly claimed it was because Soriano was more prone to the strike out while Theriot is more of a contact hitter.
Not sure I agree with that assessment (easy to say now, I know)….but it’s not the dumbest idea in the world either.
Brenly does make a good point.
And he knows how a manager would think.
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True, but...
… the “by the book” move is to put him on.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I think Soriano has confused everyone by being so bad for so long.
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think it's
strategery? :P
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
he's wiley, that Soriano.
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Which is ironic, because he's blocking Jake Fox.
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no he's not!
Is Jake Fox a left-fielder? Jim Thome, THAT’s who’s blocking Jake Fox! :P
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, really.
Just about every DH in the AL is blocking Jake Fox.
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Well it's not............
……….like he crushed the game winning hit.
"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." ~ Frank Sinatra
The sun does rise in the east.
Reminds me of a line from Happy Gilmore: “Yeah, right. And Grizzly Adams had a beard.”
Heck of a win. Hopefully it is the one that we look back on come September and October.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
No worries.
I knew what you were going for.
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But a good day.
Just imagine if you had to have written that “Was 2008 as good as it Getz?” recap?
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I just hope this momentum carries into a strong series versus Cleveland.
They’ll be coming in licking their wounds after being swept.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
This might just be the chance the Cubs' offense needs.
Apart from Cliff Lee, that pitching staff is horrendous.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I think the Cubs have a shot against Clifton Phifer Lee.
Check out his splits this year: obviously, the numbers are still good, but he’s been ridiculous at home, decent on the road (the road numbers are also influenced from his first start this year in which he gave up 7 ER).
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
Probable pitchers for Cleveland:
Friday – Cliff Lee
Saturday – Tomo Ohka (who knew he was still in baseball)
Sunday – Jeremy Sowers (a soft-tossing lefty who wants to try and be Tom Glavine, with less-than-Glavine results thus far)
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Soft lefty?
Yikes.
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I was thinking
he’ll be unstoppable.
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions
he's like Doug Davis.
but worse. he hasn’t learned to hit spots yet.
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Maybe he can re-teach the Cubs to take walks.
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Seemed to work today.
Those 3 walks helped.
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The guy who pitched 7 innings and gave up 2 hits in a 10-0 win over the Cubs on 4/29?
o.0
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, that's who I'd compare him to.
But without location, and young – therefore prone to the letting the moment get to him.
(At least that’s what I’m telling myself when I see “soft-tossing lefty”)
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alright
well, I’ll hope it goes your way. :D
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions
You with all your stats and facts...
Boy oh boy oh boy
by BleedsbluinMI on Jun 18, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Man, Haren and Davis were just brutal on the Cubs.
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Or, were the Cubs brutal on themselves?
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I guess that's the eternal question.
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What if "dog" was spelled
c-a-t?
by Craig in South Bend on Jun 18, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions
God would be spelled
Tac.
Good Tac. I swear to Tac. TACDAMMIT!
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Indeed.
They have made some poor pitchers look pretty good during the first two months of the year.
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Haren was brutal on the Cubs
Davis … well, the Cubs actually have been about .500 against him overall. But that stadium in Phoenix is a house of horrors for the Cubs.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 18, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions
That it is.
combine a wily lefty like Davis and that stadium, and it’s trouble.
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That's pretty much how I feel, too.
I recall thinking that Haren really was on that night – and he is a good pitcher. Davis just put the Cubs to sleep – they probably should’ve done more with the pitches he gave them.
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except when z almost hit for the cycle there this year
by jesus christos on Jun 18, 2009 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I was anxious to read your recap
because I was energized after this unthinkable win. Just another game was my thought and then blast-blast and we win in the 9th. This should go a long ways to getting this team back “on”!
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
I was reading the game threads, but 20 minutes
behind the game.
It was amazing to see how the two HR’s followed by a win changed the team and the thread.
A big shot of optomism booster right to the tuchus.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
or optimism.
Optomism sounds like a former stripper wtih 8 babies and bad eyesight.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
It would take a while to get through the comments.
Somewhere along the way, we all (or most) got caught in Overflow 1 and forgot to leave.
Final comment tally in Overflow Thread 1: 1228 comments
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no one
posted a jump, I think. I ended up having a meeting that ended right before the bottom of the 9th, and I figured out what had happened after the game was over. :D
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't post a jump
because I was sick of all the bitching and whining in the other thread. It was very nice in the one I was in.
well
I can’t argue with that.
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I blame myself.
I should’ve done it. But that thread was slowing my computer down to the point where I had to get off and I didn’t want to slog back through it to post a jump.
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We can all play the blame game.
I should have looked for Overflow 2, but I got caught up in the game.
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it's alright.
I’ll blame Daver too.
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
They don't call me Aaron Miles for nothin'.
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you have to pay them?
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Royalties.
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bah
copyright laws.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I blame you too
Linus: Life is rarely all one way, Charlie Brown. You win some, you lose some. Charlie Brown: Really? Gee, that'd be neat.
by CyberCyclist on Jun 18, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, yeah...join the club.
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey, I hit .317 last year!
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we don't care about
your fantasy baseball career.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions
aaron miles did help because if he beat out the throw reed would have waited to see if he needed to tag up on soris bloop
by jesus christos on Jun 18, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions
the whole feeling
changed. I have my own observations as to why that is, but at right now, I don’t give a darn. :D
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions
IT WAS AWESOME!
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Now I'm really bummed I missed it
Boo!
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
it was like
someone picked the game thread up, twirled it over their head a few times like a pizza dough, and slapped it down, just facing in the opposite direction.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank you. That was me paisano!
Go Green! Go White! GO STATE!
King Leonidas: Spartans! What is your profession?
Spartans: HA-OOH! HA-OOH! HA-OOH!
Damn
We win when I don’t watch… :-(
Bright side, I won’t be in town this weekend so maybe it’ll work out?
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
At least you can watch.
I don’t get WGN on my Dish Network, so very few Cubs games. This makes me actually look forward to when they are on FOX or ESPN. Cubs on those networks will make me watch.
P.S.: I’m working this weekend … urgh.
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 18, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I get WGN local
but I don’t have CSN or any of the others.
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The only time I get those is when I visit Chicago.
My grandmother gets them in her house near Elgin.
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 18, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Silly me.
My parents about 30 minutes away by car get WGN.
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 18, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions
for the cost of the gas
you could probably just add the superstation pkg to your Dish and get WGN
by LT on Jun 18, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm thinking of looking into that,
But I work evenings. I would still miss the Cubs. The only way I could catch the games is if I set the DVR to record them.
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 18, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Huge
Had to work, got home for the 8th, had to listen to “Hawk” and Stone complain about the non-strike call on Soriano ( that was strike 3) for at least the rest of the inning , How people listen to “Hawk”, anyways. I am with you Al, when Bradley went down, my hopes went down also. Lee’s homerun was huge, but Soto’s was bigger, if he can somehow get going, with Lee hitting and Bradley at least getting some hits, it would be big.
I wonder if any changes will take place now? I still think Soriano needs a day off, we will see. I am sure he will be in left tomorrow.
Good to see the club get excited, get a little juiced for a change, please continue.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
He had two days off earlier this week.
For me, at least, today buys him a deferral on the DL plan. Von Joshua did say that Soriano looked a lot better in the batting cage before the game (FWIW). I’m not sure what to do at this point.
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he was
2-4 today, right?
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
2-for-5.
I’m not sure what “looking better in the batting cage” means. Plenty of guys hit well in BP, then not in games.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
you know
looking GOOOOD. Heyo Mistah KOTT-ER!
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions
He was talking about Soriano's hitting mechanics.
Can’t remember exactly what he said – something about Soriano either getting started too early or too late.
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I would assume he's "looking better in the batting cages"
means he was even having some bad BP sessions, or his mechanics were still off, but today that wasn’t the case, at least to the god awful extent. I don’t think Joshua meant Soriano is looking better in the cages than he is in the game. I would hope a professional hitting coach understands the difference between batting practice fastballs, and live game pitches
by WanderingWanderer on Jun 18, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Do they throw low and away sliders
in batting practice? :)
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by CyberCyclist on Jun 18, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
if they don't, they should start
Couldn’t hurt for him to see what’s going on in a more relaxed environment.
by WanderingWanderer on Jun 18, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Had to work today and only followed the game now and then via blackberry...
Looks like I know what Im going to be watching tonight!
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
It's sure is nice to see the celebrating after walk offs.
That has to be contagious and hope we can continue. If losing with ineptness causes them to press harder, then a little success can have the same affect.
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True,
But I’d like to see them win a game and not have to jump around afterward (as in not a walk-off game).
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 18, 2009 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm all in favor of that too
I just want them to remember how it feels to win. It seems really infrequent lately.
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you would hope it was contagious, but we walked off Monday
and then played some bad baseball
by WanderingWanderer on Jun 18, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I would've pitched to Soriano there too.
He’s been atrocious the last month plus.
And please, just cut Aaron Miles. He contributes absolutely nothing. He is, literally, worthless.
Agreed on Miles.
Time to eat the sunk cost and just cut him.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
At this point
I’m thinking paying him NOT to play may be the wisest investment yet.
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
But then,
We’d still have to pay him money. He’s been a waste of $$$ so far this year.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 18, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions
But he can help the team by NOT playing!
That way, he can actually EARN his money!
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I have no problem with that.
Blanco won’t bring much to the plate, but he can play good defense and lay down a fine bunt. When Freel gets back, put him at third and Fontenot can go to second base vs. RHP. Blanco can still play 2B vs. LHP – he won’t hit, but it’ll take the heat off Fontenot and, as mentioned, Andy White still gives you defense.
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When Freel gets back, put him on the waiver wire.
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SOLD
to the man with the giant umbrella!
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
So Fontenot stays at third base?
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Ahhhhhhh, I see what you did there.
Is this wishful thinking or inside info?
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I do know they're considering it.
Don’t know how serious that interest is or where it might go.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
A sweep this weekend would go a long way to influencing Cleveland's thinking.
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Well, I've teased the DeRomantics in the past...
…but I’d like to see it happen, assuming it didn’t cost the Cubs too much. It really appears DeRo’s power is for real, and he’d take some pressure off Aramis, too.
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Plus, he's insurance for a continuing Fukudome slump
or a Bradley injury.
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A Bradley injury?
Singular? That’s optimism.
"I'll never forget how I felt last October." ~Kosuke Fukudome
To rile up everyone on this board.
And just to play with Aaron Miles’ emotions.
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to clear payroll
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Career year
wrong side of 30 and a chance to get more LH.
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
He is well on his way to another career year
But I’ll drop it now
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
sure
we know that NOW. But at the time… You have to make your moves with the knowledge you know, not the knowledge you don’t know. Even if you don’t know you don’t know it.
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions
that never
gets old.
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Did someone mention Rummy?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
With the interest in Pedro, what
pitcher are they thinking of giving up.
I can’t imagine the Indians would want Harden with his health, cost, and contract up.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
The Indians probably would take Harden for the contract reason alone...
… their exposure would be limited to the rest of this year.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
can't we put them both on the waiver wire?
Freel is nothing but Aaron Miles II
by WanderingWanderer on Jun 18, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Good Call
As good of a game as Ozzie managed on Thursday, he did the opposite today. Yanking Gavin Floyd after only 90 pitches, when he was rolling, and pitching to Soriano in the 9th with first-base open were huge mistakes. Thanks, Ozzie!
Told you I was good luck ( so far)
I was SO pumped up. My first interleague game at Wrigley.Practically surrounded by Sox fans.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
The key to victory was Kalicub's bathroom breaks.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 18, 2009 5:32 PM CDT reply actions
hahahahaha
Not the way I wanted to be immortalized.
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Would you prefer if we used the picture from the first overflow thread?
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 18, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Which one was that, the outdoor toilet?
At least I would have a view. :)
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Worst. Shopping mall. Ever.
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So stoked for tomorrow now
I was really, really starting to not look forward to going to tomorrow’s game. I mean, I wanted to go, but it wasn’t the big deal it usually is to me. Now, I can’t wait to get into the bleachers, flag in hand, hopefully being able to fly it, and not use it to cover up from the rain.
by Craig in South Bend on Jun 18, 2009 5:34 PM CDT reply actions
WOW
I turned off my TV in the 8th.
I said to myself if they have a comeback I’ll read about it and be happy for them.
I went on here thinking you’d have a righful negative post.
This is a win they needed!
Will Dr. Crawdad show up, ya' think?
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
say his name
three times, and who knows?
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions
PAGING DR CRAWDAD
Crawdad, Crawdad. I’m betting we won’t see him
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
Probably later.
Expect a lot of condescending, backhanded compliments, though.
“Good to see the Cubs take advantage of that blown third strike call on Soriano. They haven’t been doing that lately.”
Stuff like that.
"I'll never forget how I felt last October." ~Kosuke Fukudome
Worst part?
He’s not wrong.
Time to string a few of those together.
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Thoughts on Marmol
Remember when he had a brief injury and was off for about 4 games? I feel like that was the turning point for him not throwing too well.
Anyone else have info. to back up that was when his decline started? He might be hurt.
He tweaked his knee
But he wasn’t really “on” before then.
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i was gald to see that lou
did NOT use heilman late in the game after warming him up and then not using him earlier. that kind of stuff kills aaron’s ability to be effective…
by brian custer on Jun 18, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Seems like we haven't seen Aaron in a while.
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maybe he is lou's doghouse
which, if true, would be at least a little bit unjust.
by brian custer on Jun 18, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Not at all
He was innefective when Lou brought him in relieve other relievers. Plus the other guys have been more effective (with the exception to unfortunately Marmol).
aaron's WHIP
is pretty good. he can be very effective under the right circumstances
by brian custer on Jun 18, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, it's 1.57. That's not particularly good...
…but it seems like he’s pitched a little better recently.
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How about the wrong circumstances
Lou brings him in with inherited runners.
If he starts an inning he pitches OK but that’s not what Lou wants him to do. Lou needs him to get out of jams and he fails. It’s not all Aaron’s fault. He failed at that on the Mets too. Lou should have known this in the past and not brought him in those situations.
Lou's bullpen managment will never make sense
At least not to me.
He does some really strange things.
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aaron's real problem
is BB’s. he just seems to need a batter or two to get his bearings; maybe a left-over trait from his starting days at Notre Dame. that option is not available when aaron comes in w/runners already on… aaron has a strong lively arm. hopefully he will find a niche…
by brian custer on Jun 18, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, he's given up a lot of hits, too - 27 in 28 IP.
And he’s not striking out enough hitters. His K:BB is under 2.
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It all comes back to the walks...
his K rate is fine. But when you’re walking six batters per 9 innings, it’s darn near impossible to have a 2:1 K:BB rate.
If he was walking 3 per 9 innings, he’d probably be having a pretty good season…
by SouthernCub on Jun 18, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good starting pitching
Has meant less use of bullpen.
But I’m all for us never signing another Cub with the first name Aaron again.
by ak123 on Jun 18, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The less Aaron the better, I say.
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I watched some of the game today...
…ON MY PHONE! How rad is that streaming video to iPhone? And it didn’t cost a thing since I already had it for radio!
As soon as I turned it on, the Cubs did too, with back to back dingers :)
Jackie likes the smell of cut grass, he used to play ball on Saturdays, Playin in the sun...
Cool. Can you do that same exact thing with like results
For say, every game the rest of the year?
Boy oh boy oh boy
by BleedsbluinMI on Jun 18, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I've been trying
When I turned on the radio feed yesterday they promptly gave up 2 runs… so I’ll work on it.
Jackie likes the smell of cut grass, he used to play ball on Saturdays, Playin in the sun...
Say your team is mired in a godawful offensive slump and you want them to break out of it...
…there’s an app for that.
"I'll never forget how I felt last October." ~Kosuke Fukudome
Awesome.
That means I should get at least an iTouch.
Question: Can you stream the game through the iPhone’s ATT connection, or can you do it only using Wi-Fi?
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 18, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions
With an iPhone?
AFAIK, both.
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I've heard that using the AT&T data service
is a real battery killer though, not so much with the Wi-Fi.
"I'll never forget how I felt last October." ~Kosuke Fukudome
Other way around
although I do know that if 3G isn’t available, and it switches over to Edge, then that tends to use a bit more juice.
by Craig in South Bend on Jun 18, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't have one
But my friend lives in a really rural area and she doesn’t have any problem.
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Both
And the 3G isn’t bad quality either… though it did have to play catch up on the stream more than a few times. WiFi was gold.
Jackie likes the smell of cut grass, he used to play ball on Saturdays, Playin in the sun...
Al, I'm glad the Cubs are considering trading for DeRosa, as you wrote above.
On the other hand, I think Mármol needs to rest. Let Guzmán set up for a few games.
I just found out about the win logging in here, since I’m still at the office. I just watched the video on MLB.com. My law clerk thought something had happened to me when he heard me screaming. Anyway, maybe I’ll watch it tonight on the archives.
Marmol hadn't pitched since 6/14.
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I forgot. That's even worse. Any thoughts on what to do?
I’d still give more responsibility to Guzmán while the coaches work with Mármol’s mechanics.
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 18, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I think I'd still keep mixing in Guzman and Ascanio...
…but Marmol also strikes me as a guy who needs fairly regular work to stay sharp – but not too much work or he gets overused. I don’t know what to do, to be honest.
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What's Marmol's option status?
Can we send him down so he can get straightened out?
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He does have one option left.
I wonder whether it’ll come to that. Hard to see right now, because he’s still a pretty high-profile guy. But maybe that would help at some point. Michael Wuertz went down last season and he’s been lights out for the A’s this season.
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If he continues to struggle, maybe.
But then again, Marmol had that stretch last year where he was completely useless, and the Cubs kept him up.
I think they’ll just try to balance throwing him regularly and keeping him fresh versus wearing his arm out.
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That was like 3 weeks
last year.
This has been a lot longer than that.
Didn’t see him today, but the last few times I’ve seen him pitch, he’s forcibly reminded me of Dontrelle Willis’ motion. Arms and legs everywhere with no idea where the ball is going.
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Right.
I just don’t see a scenario in which the Cubs take their 8th-inning man and send him to Iowa.
I could see the Cubs using him in low-leverage situations for a while and using Guzman and Ascanio in higher-leverage situations.
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But if he's ineffective
and not getting it back…. you’re going to have to do something.
We’re already holding too many pitchers we don’t trust in the ‘pen, I don’t see how you can add Marmol to that list.
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I think the Cubs are too stubborn to send him down.
Finding some “arm trouble” to DL him and give him a rehab assignment, maybe.
But if you’re going to demote people based on performance, Marmol is probably second or third in that line.
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Not so much performance
but to get him a chance to get some work without the pressure of always having to be “on”, you know?
I’d rather he found “it” up here, but if he doesn’t… I just think something is going to have to happen.
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Yeah, I understand what you're saying.
I think he might find himself pitching the 6th or 7th inning in a few games, just to throw some low-leverage innings to see if he can find “it.”
If he struggles in those outings, then yes, I would think Iowa becomes an option.
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Marmol would have to clear Optional Assignment Waivers
before he can be optioned to the minors.
"I knew we were in for a long season when we lined up for the national anthem on opening day and one of my players said, 'Every time I hear that song I have a bad game.'" - Jim Leyland
Yeah. I don't think Mármol has been overworked.
He’s just been inconsistent, to say the least.
I would work on his mechanics and give more responsibility to Guzmán until and if Mármol gets back on the right track. Meanwhile, Mármol can be used in situations with less pressure instead of setting up for the closer.
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 18, 2009 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't care who you are
but no one who saw Soriano make that catch in the Cub’s bullpen in the top of the 7th can say he’s a slacker or lacks passion. That was an extremely difficult play, and he could have slacked off on it without any complaint — he had to dodge Heilman, nearly ran into the wall, and did run into a security guard. That was ballsy.
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 6:00 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
props to Sori for that one, especially going over the mound
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I'd forgotten about that play because of what followed
but you’re right, Drew. That was a helluva play, especially if his knee is still bugging him.
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I've never understood the questions about Soriano's heart
Just because guys don’t all play balls out like RJ doesn’t mean they don’t care.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
Its not that
Soriano is more talented and a better natural athlete. He’s running hard but b/c he’s so smooth, he doesn’t have the look of Reed’s effort.
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Thats what I mean
RJ or even Miles look like they are giving 110%. Soriano is giving 110% too, he just does it naturally.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
I agree..
I think a lot of the perception about Soriano’s effort is because he’s really tentative going back on balls hit over his head. So his lack of comfort comes across as indifference or lack of effort because he doesn’t go full out.
As such, he plays deep. He’s less afraid to charge the ball. The play today was in front of him, so he went for it. And made a great play.
Hopefully the base hits (and the non-base hit in the first inning that was lined into the corner but caught) get him going. It goes without saying that he’s REALLY due for a decent stretch of hitting. I mean, he’s OPSing less than Milton Bradley at this point in the season.
I think this whole "passion" thing has been overblown
Everybody looks more “passionate” when they’re winning. Lack of passion hasn’t been this team’s problem. In fact, I think the problem might be too much passion.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 18, 2009 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I've had my problems with Soriano's approach at the plate
I’ve never had a problem with his approach to the game. He’s not a slacker.
by WanderingWanderer on Jun 18, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Man this feels good
We needed this terribly.
"Check the magic of a winning season and there are always reasons beyond the talent." Ned Colleti
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jun 18, 2009 6:04 PM CDT reply actions
Most important question
Was this the game?
It seems eerily familiar to 2007 game vs. the Brewers.
Maybe this is the kind of game that jumpstarts everyone.
If we win this series, I think we’re going in the right direction!
We won't know for weeks
But it could be.
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What put so much emphasis on this being what you think it may be
because if it isn’t, you’re just going to be disappointed. Just look at it for what it was, a good, hard fought, come from behind win.
by Craig in South Bend on Jun 18, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I say this after every win
But these are the kinds of games that we as fans look at and say “they turned it around”.
Well, this series is over for the time being.
But I know what you mean – a strong showing against the Indians would definitely be a sign that this team is truly on the mend.
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Still thinking we have a game tomorrow
The rainout has confused me!
Tomorrow is the big game
Their ace, who happens to be coming off a near no-no. The offense needs to take off.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
We don't have problems with Aces
It’s the pitchers who have a 4.80 ERA that we make look like a Cy Young winner.
Sad but true...
"Check the magic of a winning season and there are always reasons beyond the talent." Ned Colleti
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jun 18, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions
we didnt make moehler look like lincecum
by jesus christos on Jun 18, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes but...
We’ve made enough pitchers look like 90’s Maddux.
It's better than that game IMO.
Bigger, we have to wait to judge. But we had 9 innings to come back from Rich Hill’s 5-run 1st in that Brewers game. We were down by 4 with 2 outs in the 8th today, and we won it in 9. With as many extra inning affairs as the Cubs have been involved this year, it’s pretty huge that they were able to win without forcing extras in that spot.
"I'll never forget how I felt last October." ~Kosuke Fukudome
So maybe it was like the 2008 Brewers game or the 2008 White Sox game?
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It's different in this way for me...
…It was arguably a better comeback than those other games, but it still doesn’t seem bigger in terms of the season yet. I felt like I could believe in those teams, ‘07 & ’08. Those wins felt like they meant something bigger than just one game, like they were on their way somewhere. I was so skeptical of this team going into today’s game that even a win this dramatic feels good, but tempered with the perspective of the first 61 games.
"I'll never forget how I felt last October." ~Kosuke Fukudome
That's well put.
Hopefully this is the game that finally lights a fuse. We’ll find out eventually.
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We do have to wait to judge.
The game today did have the makings of momentum changing win. Lou said he was going to have make some hard decisions; I think everyone and his mother thought that meant Fonzie either out of the line-up, or dropped out of the lead-off spot. Neither of these things happened. Instead Soriano goes 2-5, getting both the game tying RBI, and then the game winning RBI.
Derrek Lee? What else can I say but right now that guy is the calmest, coolest, leader of this team. He’s been doing it with his bat, with a little more power, as evidenced by today’s 3-run shot. He’s also been the calmest, before he started hitting, and after; even during this recent stretch where he has been the only one hitting. In ‘06, when D. Lee went down, I instantly got the feeling that the season could be over. I didn’t have, and still don’t have, that same feeling about Ramirez going down. As bad as this team has been, I still think the division is winnable, and if not, certainly the wild card.
It all depends on whether this loosens up the hitters, and if they continue to listen to Von & Lou. Lou said in the presser that Von has been working with the guys to, “take the ball to RF, stay on the ball longer, be selective.” This is the perfect approach for a team pressing, and continuing to slump. Relax, put the bat on the ball, remember what got you here…
I realize this is essentially me wishing that today’s game has a momentum changing effect for the Cubs team this year. I can’t help it, I’m a Cubs fan, and I still believe in this team.
I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 18, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
That's the point I made in one of the other threads
Maybe it will be just like that game. It has the potential. Time will tell.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 18, 2009 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought that game
was the last one we won. Or the one before that. :D
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Also of note...
the last two pictures following wins have involved Bradley bear-hugging the guy who got the winning hit (he was the guy mauling Theriot as well). For all the bashers of his character, he seems to genuinely have a passion for the game and for his teammates.
It looks like the hits are starting to come for Bradley. He’s up to .243 and the OPS is up to .741. Hopefully the power will come soon.
Was there a pic of him doing the
“you can’t see me” to Soriano as he ran at him?
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
yeah he did
you can kind of see it on the mlb highlight, but I was hoping there would be a better angle. I’m watching the CSN replay right now, maybe they will have it.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
I think Milton Bradley
LOVES to play baseball. I really do. I’m sure the money doesn’t hurt, but he strikes me as the kind of guy who would be managing little league or playing in a softball-beer league if he wasn’t a pro.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions
He said earlier this season
that he doesn’t play baseball, he feels it. I found that interesting, and illuminating.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 18, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Stop it!
You’re going to make me cry.
I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 18, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions
As if this team hadn't had you
on the verge of tears already. :)
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 18, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions
that was my sig line
for a while. I really want him to stick with the team.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope he didnt hurt himself
picking up Soriano at the end of the game.
Cub fan since 1969 and Im not taking my avatar down until they show up in a playoff series.
Is it okay for grown men to cry?
We won a lot of games this way last year, and I was really pumped to hear Pat and Ron going ape-s* when Soriano plated Johnson… kinda nostaligic since last year seems like eons ago to me :-) hopefully that walk-off will be the spark Sori needs and we’ll finally get some offense going. Another think I thought of on my 40 mile drive home, we still (I think) have the least games played this year because of rainouts, we could get several half-games back when we make those up and other teams may have off days… My optimism has been renewed! Whoo, great win!!
It reminds me...
… of Santo crying about a Sox walk-off win in ‘03 the day AFTER. And the Tribune’s Paul Sullivan blasting the Brewers for their win over the Cubs in their home opener. Sullivan said that the Brewers were celebrating like they’d won the World Series. No doubt Sullivan won’t whip out that put-down on the Cubs today.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
Sullivan is a bitter hobbit.
I’m not sure a lot of Cubs fans are too concerned with his sentiments.
"I'll never forget how I felt last October." ~Kosuke Fukudome
Ok, but...
… a lot of concern about what the sentiments of what some call a bitter old man, The Hawk Harrelson.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
Zzzz
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 18, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions
So were mine...
… in 2005 when the White Sox won the World Series in a sweep!
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
you must be so proud...
your like an annoying grandma that wants to always show us pictures of your ugly grandkids. We don’t care.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 18, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just saw the highlights on SportsNite...
With Hawk’s commentary in the background, jeeze, what an unprofessional whiner. That pitch was borderline (ball IMO) low and away, and he just keeps whining about it for the entire inning. Makes me more thankful for Len and Bob every time I hear him.
Someday we'll go all the way...
He invented the battting glove don't ya know?
Seriously though. Hawk is a huge homer, (as we all know). He harped, and harped, and harped some more about that pitch. Earlier in the game he agreed with Stoney on a pitch, that AJ brought back with his glove. He didn’t say the same thing, even though the pitch and receipt of the ball to Fonzie was very similar. Selective Hawk is. A homer Hawk is.
I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 18, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions
and to me
that’s one of the differences between Santo and Hawk. Santo will talk about what we’re not doing right. He’ll complain about the Cubs players screwing up.
I don’t get the feeling that the WS announcers are like that.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Ron's a homer too...
But I’ve never heard him say that games will be “played under a protest” or gripe about a strike call for an entire inning. A few “Oh gee wiz”s and a “boy o boy” and that’s pretty much the end of it.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 18, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions
and if
the ump is squeezing their pitcher but not ours, he’ll talk about it. He’ll talk about how we got lucky on a call.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions
And he'll bitch about every call that goes against the Cubs
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 18, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions
eh
sometimes. Sometimes, he sees it the way it is. Hawk was complaining about that not-strike on Soriano in the next inning.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
His first reaction is almost always to bitch
He’ll admit to being wrong, but he’ll usually whine out the “offending” umpire’s name first.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 18, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I dunno
I listen to almost every game on the radio. Maybe I’m not paying as much attention.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Or when a Cub does it . . . ?
No offense, but you do tend to ignore the “home team’s” foibles.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 18, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I suppose that's a possibility as well.
Still, I’m glad I don’t have to listen to Hawk. It was worth it to see the game reply, but never again…
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 19, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions
what bugged me most was
Harrelson seemed to ignore the Getz error that started the whole mess for the Sox.
is that the one where Stoney
went on and on about how the front of the infield is soft and the back of the infield is like a trampoline?
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 19, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions
On and on?
He didn’t do that, but yes that is where he mentioned it. To me it didn’t come across as making an excuse for Getz. Why does BB get props for giving his professional analysis of the game but not Stone?
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
Stoney talked about it
for a good five minutes. Got into how the water table is different under wrigley. Bob would have said “the back of the infield is bouncy, and that’s why you gotta adjust”.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 19, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah because BB
never goes off onto long tangents about his second guessing of Lou’s managerial decisions. Never….
I just think that because Stone is now a Sox announcer he doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt and people expect him to be snarky.
For instance, he is getting a lot of flak for saying Geo wouldn’t steal. Well HELLO, there was no one in the world that thought Geo would steal. Let it go Cubs fans, let it go.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
it’s what they CHOOSE to talk about and make big deals out of.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 19, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Yet you overlook what BB
CHOOSES to talk about. Bottom line, it’s a double standard plain and simple.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
except
I don’t. We make fun of BB’s marriage schtick all the time.
I think that BB is a much better broadcaster than Stone.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 19, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
BB is always second guessing Pinella.
He always has stories that pretain to situation’s based off of his own experience. Stone has information about how the field plays and you jump all over him.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
BB has managerial experience and speaks from that. When he says something stupid we jump on him.
Stoney was COMPLAINING about the field to excuse Getz’s error.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 19, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Okay.
If you are going to hold Stone to a standard that he can’t comment on something he has knowledge of and BB can, then that is a double standard. This discussion is going nowhere because you refuse to be an objective fan about this.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
Your team won and 5 hours later you're still bitching about The Hawk.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
Try again, Mr. Thin-Skinned Paranoid
I was talking about Santo.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 18, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, there are no posts here...
… in this discussion about The Hawk HOURS after the game.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
Nice rationalization, chief
Mine wasn’t. You know, the one that you replied to?
Can’t you be a man and admit you were wrong?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 18, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions
You know, I've obviously stuck up for you at times
But you’re getting ridiculous in here. You’re going after someone else in this thread who was celebrating the Cubs winning like he was mocking the White Sox losing, and now you’re bitching at me for something that I didn’t do.
Oh, yeah. . .Cubs fans are obsessed with the White Sox. Whatever, Doc. Nice inferiority complex.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 18, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Inferiority complex this...
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
nice, wish we had a ring
now explain how it has anything to do with the conversation
by WanderingWanderer on Jun 18, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I bet that leaves a mark on the hookers faces huh?
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 18, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Check your mom's face.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
I will when she gets home from your house.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 18, 2009 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for proving my point better than I ever could
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 18, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions
White Sox: stolen name from the Cubs' original White Stockings name &
speaking of “White” Stockings, why does a team that calls itself the "White " Sox always wear black sox?
Their uni color scheme is among the worst in all sports!
Hard for genuine White Sox fans (another oxymoron) to admit or even be aware that their team’s roots originated with cheap Charlie Comiskey stealing the castoff name originally used by the Cubs!
But then there IS the history of the White, always wearing black, Sox – cheap ownership with little originality, and forever doomed to languish in the shadow of our beloved Cubbies!
by GeneticCubsFan on Jun 19, 2009 2:29 AM CDT up reply actions
you know
those rings are really ugly. Not just this one in particular, I think ALL the WS rings are chintzy.
Way to prove his point, tho.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 19, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions
I think there was a game a few years ago,
When Hawk took issue with a runner interference call against the White Sox. I seem to remember him saying “This is BS” for about five minutes, and this was on the air in a game against the Cubs.
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 18, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah I was at that game at US Cellular...
And I was told Hawk kept saying that that game would be played under a protest with the league.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 18, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, it was this one:
“Never seen anything like that in my whole career, as a player coming up from Little League, to D-ball, to C-ball, to A-ball, to Triple-A, to the big leagues, never seen that. Well you still got three guys on the bases, they already called two of them out. … This is absolutely B.S…..Dadgum right this game’s gonna be played under protest.”
(6/24/07 vs Cubs – after double-play was reversed by the umpires after an interference call. The entire rant he would never mention the fact that Juan Uribe was in the direct path of Mark Derosa)
"I'll never forget how I felt last October." ~Kosuke Fukudome
Yep that's it.
I remember thinking, “He really should not be saying this on the air. What if there are kids watching this?”
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 18, 2009 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Because the rule was enforced properly
Bob went over between innings of that game and explained to Hawk the rule.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
Oh, I totally agree...
Let me fix that, “Hawk is an EXTREME homer.”
I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 18, 2009 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions
What inning call are you talking about?
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
8th inning...
It was a 1-2 count on Sori. it was a low and away pitch called a ball, and AJ pulled it back and framed it about a good six inches further in the strike zone. After Lee and Soto homered, Hawk kept on attributing the whole collapse to THAT call.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 18, 2009 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions
It was a strike.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
Ball.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 18, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Toe mato!
I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 18, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions
It was close and could have easily..
… been called a strike (as I think it should have). Oh, well. It happens. I would have been better for the Sox had Linebrink went all Milton Bradley or Carlos Zambrano on the ump and got tossed.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
I = it
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
That would be funny.
I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 18, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah...
… and it might have rescued this game for the Sox. And it would have had the added bonus of getting rid of Linebrink for a few games.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
You're down on Linebrink?
Ozzie was too.
I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 18, 2009 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Linebrink escapes much damage to his stats because of the error, but he blows…games that is.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
How did you like Soriano's catch in the bullpen that saved a run?
Do you think Dye would have made that catch?
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jun 18, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Soriano finally makes a good play and you pipe in?
How do you like Soriano’s 6 errors?
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
when he wins the ball game against the White Sox, I don’t mind ’em as much.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Had to chime in considering you think Dye is a better fielder.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jun 19, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions
I especially like Chris Getz's error to start the Cubs' rally in the 8th.
Your superstar of the future seems to be having some error issues of his own over at 3rd. What’s Ozzie call him? Oh, yeah, Bacon.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jun 19, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just got home from work, and almost didn’t check this because when I last looked the cubs were down 3-1 or something and I was just like “not again…” now I’m going to find the archived version of the game and watch it. YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Believe or Leave ~Cubswynn 9/9/2008
Enjoy!
It was a wild comeback. I posted “You can put it on the board—Yes!!!!” in the overflow threads when the Cubs hit their home runs in the eighth inning.
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 18, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Check next weekend.
I will make the following posts.
For any Cubs home run: “You can put it on the board—Yes!!!!”
For any White Sox batter who strikes out: “He gone!”
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 18, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Congratulations to the Cubs!
Sorry to say that I didn’t get to see any of the game. In spite of the outcome, I would have enjoyed being at the game or watching it on TV rather than attend the conference I had to attend, but such is life.
Glad to see though that the Sox are playing a bit better and outplayed the Cubs for 16 innings. The Sox BP was a concern of mine going into the season, so no surprise to me that BP blew what appears to be another very good start by the Sox starters.
On from here, not sure what this win or loss means to either team. Lots of talks in previous years about momentum and turning points after Crosstown games, and I’m not sure it’s actually worked out that way. We’ll see.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
I have three words for the White Sox:
Beat. The. Reds.
"I'll never forget how I felt last October." ~Kosuke Fukudome
I have three words for the Cubs:
Beat. The. Tigers.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
We'll see if we can't knock the Tribe down a notch or two for you as well...
I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 18, 2009 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions
We'll do our best,
Against both the Indians and the Tigers for you.
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 18, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I would make that deal in a New York minute.
We’ll win three if you do. ;)
Believe or Leave ~Cubswynn 9/9/2008
Hopefully...
This was a turning point for us. But here’s to you guys sweeping the Reds!
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 18, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Hallelujah!
HAAAA-le-le-jah!
HAAAA-le-lu-jah!
Hallelujah, Hallelujah, Ha-LE-EH-lu-jah!
"Bite my shiny metal ass!" -- Bender Bending Rodriguez
"Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead."
by The Jade Scorpion on Jun 18, 2009 7:31 PM CDT reply actions
Watching the replay on CSN
Steve Stone just dared Soto to run, said “he is no threat to steal a base”
HAHAHAHA owned. Geo steals second.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
now we get a "He gone" on Fontenot
He didn’t strike out
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
holy crap
I’m watching the replay, it’s in the bottom of the sixth.
White Sox fans listen to these guys EVERY GAME???
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions
gotta get through the seventh first
but… does anyone really take this Hawk guy, with his faux-redneck BS, seriously?
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions
All the Sox fans I know profess hatred of them
But they also scream he gone and mercy during games all the time, so really its just a pretend hatred.
I like listening to Hawk when the Sox aren’t playing the Cubs because of how funny and stupid he is. I don’t think he is good by any means, and I could never listen to him every night.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
really
I’m just amazed at the badness. It’s so… HOKEY. Seriously. And I grew up listening to Phil Rizzuto, for pete’s sake.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions
First career SB.
Must have been a botched hit-and-run. Only his 2nd career SB attempt.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
know where i can find a replay his theft?
by jesus christos on Jun 18, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
The game is archived on MLB.com...
… you should be able to shuttle through and find it.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I have to give heavy-handed
props to DLEE. He has really come on – and getting back to his offensive norms. GREAT JOB!
How interesting that the two Cubs that have been sucking eggs, actually helped in the W: Soto and Soriano.
With the team at the bottom of the NL with RISP, I hope these key hits starts a trend. As lou stated that Von Joshua is working with the Cubs to tale the ball opposite field and stay on the pitch longer.
I really felt that a loss in this game would have ended the season – a downward spiral. There is HOPE for me at least for another 30 days perhaps. lol
However – the team seemingly is “waiting for A-Ram to get back,,,and then we’ll be alright.”
They MUST get over that way of thinking and believe he MIGHT NOT come back- or – may not produce like the “Old Rammy” for a while. Other teams have done it – because it is very unlikely that Crane Kenny will approve any acquisitions of consequence, imo.
Oh, I AGREE, Al
Aaron Miles is killing us. We have enough of those guys that actually are worth something.
I'm watching the replay of the game on CSN right now...
and I didn’t realize that Steve Stone is the color commentator for the Chicago White Sox now. I really liked listening to the guy when he was with the Cubs. He makes listening to White Sox games bearable.
at least he doesn't do thejoining in with the "YES" that the old color guy did
that was embarassing for him on soooooooooo many levels
by WanderingWanderer on Jun 18, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Here's an interesting question for everyone...
Where do you honestly (realistically) think the Cubs will be at the All-Star break? The way the offense has sputtered, I would be thrilled if they were 5-6 games over .500 and only 2-3 games back of either Milwaukee or St. Louis. As long as we’re in a position to make a run once A Ram gets back, I’d be happy…
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
that's about how I see it
we need to be within striking distance when Rami gets back. But if we can go on a run before that, well, all the better.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions
"when Rami gets back..."
Again, we do not know what we will be getting. Too many here think he steps in with the “Cape”, and starts smacking it right away.
no
but he will probably be able to play his position, which sends Fonty back to second. That’s a big step, as far as I’m concerned.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah but even if he comes back a little subpar
you got the emotional lift of him being in the lineup and Fonty back at his normal position. And no Miles in the lineup.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
the annoying thing about this offense is we could very well be atleast 4 games ahead if we won half of the 1 run games
by jesus christos on Jun 18, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I think that's what we're all hoping for
If we can go on a small run now, we should be able to do that.
by chitownhawkeye on Jun 18, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Good point...
It WOULD put Miles on the bench.
Aaron Miles = David Patton, then.
I think we can all live with that
Although I’d still rather see Miles on the park bench somewhere
by chitownhawkeye on Jun 18, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I wish he equaled David Patton
then we could just cut him, and he’d be the Rockies’ problem, with no financial repercussions
by WanderingWanderer on Jun 18, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Hard to say
even the Padres managed to string together 10 straight wins and lose 6 straight twice.
"I knew we were in for a long season when we lined up for the national anthem on opening day and one of my players said, 'Every time I hear that song I have a bad game.'" - Jim Leyland
HAHAHA
Hawk screams “Hell yes” after an Alexei homer. The bottom of the eighth is going to be too much fun.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
still
I winced when he hit it.
Also, how come Stone has to do PxP for him?
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions
The top of the eighth might hurt a bit
I think Hawk gets an inning off a game to just do color, so Stone does an inning idk why.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
huh.
Hawk is there, and Stone is saying things like “the shortstop is way back” and “the Sox pen is up and running”.
Weird.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Much like Santo
I don’t think Hawk looks for things like that, he just watches the ball and screams.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
I know Santo is a homer
and I know that he loses his way sometimes, but no way is Santo half as bad as this.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions
IMO
Santo’s problem is keeping up with everything going on, and him screaming OH YESSSS is probably annoying to other fans.
I would agree that he isn’t as bad as Hawk, but Pat Hughes probably helps with that.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
probably.
Stone is no good at keeping Hawk on the rails, if today was any indication.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I love Ron because he's a Cub to the very core
but he’s one of the worst broadcasters in professional sports. His grunts and groans are bad, his screaming OVER the play by play is worse, and his rambling conversations, where he forgets what he was talking about, but continues on, drowning out the action on the field is the topper.
by WanderingWanderer on Jun 18, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed on every point
Including your subject line
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 18, 2009 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, it's especially satisfying to listen to how smug Harrelson and Stone sound...
…before the comeback.
by bluekoolaide on Jun 18, 2009 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions
This bottom of the eighth is going to be too much fun
We just made it through that, now the fun starts. Yes! Hell Yes!
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
lol
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions
whine whine whine
Hawk wanted a strike 3 batters ago and that caused that homer.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
Prolly caused that homer too
Obviously the bad pitches after weren’t a factor. YES! HELL YES!
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
I'm watching the replay
and listening to Hawk crying about the missed called strike on Sori. HAHAHA!!!!!!! Lee and Geo both went yard. Pretty quiet in the booth.
Unreal
My friend and I were watching it, and we counted Hawk making reference to that pitch nine times in ONE-HALF INNING.
And the thing is, it was a borderline call. It wasn’t a lead-pipe strike. It’s a pitch you see at leat three-four times in every game, and it could have gone either way.
I can’t stand Hawk, and this just made me dislike him even more. What an arse.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 18, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
God, I've never heard an announcer whine so much
If I was a Sox fan I’d be embarrassed by him
by bluekoolaide on Jun 18, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Hands down
he is the worst announcer in MLB.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 18, 2009 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions
that's what I hate most about Hawk
his rhubarb conversational style is one thing, but the fact that he just goes dead quiet when the other team scores is so freaking unprofessional, it’s astounding.
by WanderingWanderer on Jun 18, 2009 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions
after Soto's hr yesterday
in the replay, you can hear him making some kind of noise. A “hhrra” or something. I can’t decide exactly what it was he was doing… or if I really wanna know…
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 19, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions
hey am i the only one celebrating these homeruns as if they were live?
"It’s up to Miles to keep the Cubs alive"
I still have the Geo game from last year on my DVR.
I watch it whenever I’m feeling too jaded about this team. It helps.
"I'll never forget how I felt last October." ~Kosuke Fukudome
heck no.
I just finished on my Tivo, and did a little dance.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Jesus Milton
Remember the out count. Missed that the first game
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
man this guy still crying about the soriano AB, how unprofessional is this old guy?
"It’s up to Miles to keep the Cubs alive"
He isn't going to stop
Next week when we play them again, Hawk will still be crying about it.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
Regardless of my feelings of Chicago trying to get the Olympics
I like hearing/seeing Michael Jordan as much as possible. Great commercials only because M.J. is in them.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
Please, don't tease me...
Talk about addition by subtraction.
by bluekoolaide on Jun 18, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions
And this ballgame is OVAH!!!
Cubs win 6-5 YES! HELL YES!
Suck it Hawk. Now go sweep the Reds
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
I wonder if Hawk...
was muttering in his sleep about the 1-2 ball to Soriano…He wouldn’t let it go. Finally at least Stone blamed the 2 misses by Linebrink to Lee and Soto. The pitch to Soto was off by a foot in the inner half. Screw you Hawk and your hillbilly Hell Yeah
I got goosebumps watching the replay...
Hearing thousands of Cubs fans singing “Go Cubs Go” with a demoralized Hawk and Stoney in the background… Priceless.
Someday we'll go all the way...
Soriano and Milton doing the Jon Cena thing to each other is classic stuff
We need a picture of that. Anybody have DVR and the game still on?
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
Man if this win doesn't pump these guys up and get them going, then they are all coldblooded
"It’s up to Miles to keep the Cubs alive"
Caption
Two of the most hated Cubs embrace in celebration (perhaps because of all the extra money Jim Hendry gave them?)
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
Wish it was just them
Someone is hogging the foreground.
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
Caption
We earned our paycheck today! We really did!
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 18, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Caption
Owww …..my back! Ill be on the DL for 2 weeks now.
Cub fan since 1969 and Im not taking my avatar down until they show up in a playoff series.
Brewers dont play
Cards Lose!
Reds Lose!
CUBS WIN!
Pirates Lose!
Astros win.
Nice day in the NL Central
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
And of course, all I hear from Sox fans is that they gave the game away.
Late-inning clutch 2-out HRs doesn’t mean it was given away. It was simply taken. But they’ll NEEEEEVER admit the obvious fact that the Cubs just came back and took it. There wasn’t 5 unearned runs surrendered in the 8th and 9th correct?
Do they EVER admit when they just GOT BEAT.
"What the hell, let's review it." - Dale Tallon
"They are!" - Pat Foley
"What a farce." - Dale Tallon
Tough to admit...
Do they EVER admit when they just GOT BEAT.
The Sox gave the Cubs the opportunity and the Cubs took advantage of it and the Cubs won it. It happens. Good for the Cubs.
But this “do they EVER admit…” applies to your fans as well. In 2003 there probably were (and probably still are) Cubs fans who say the Cubs gave it away and not that the Marlins “came back and took it” or that the ’03 Cubs just got beat.
Al and other Cubs fans still can’t “EVER admit” that the Sox ‘just took it’ in 2005. They’ll regularly temper any comment with comments on how they got “lucky.”
It’s perspective, semantics and a lack of candor that’s very common.
Then there is a Cubbie fan who is a regular in the Sox NG, who still can’t swallow that the ‘05 Sox “just won it,” and can’t give them any credit or just move on. This Cubbie fan in the Sox NG had this to say yesterday:
The 2005 WHite Sox would have never won a Championship without the use of steroids by players like Konerko. - Cubbie fan in the Sox NG, 6/18/2009
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
Yeah, I did. I told my friends that the Marlins were the better team.
They won the World Series. And I never heard anyone say the Sox would have never won in 2005 without Konerko taking PED’s. Never.
Never say never.
And I never heard anyone say the Sox would have never won in 2005 without Konerko taking PED’s. Never.
A Cubs fan who posts regularly in the Sox NG has been making this accusation. Anything, anything for this particular Cubs fan to tarnish the White Sox.
This Cubs fan regularly posts horribly racist, incendiary comments in the Sox NG. Cubs fans regularly post on White Sox Interactive…
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
That's a ridiculous assertion about Konerko.
I hope Sox fans just ignore that guy. There can be reasonable discussion about the merits of the two teams without that kind of crap.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Then there is this Sox fan who posts regularly here
And made a baseless accusation last night in this very thread. When presented with facts that he was wrong, he initially tried to deflect, then simply ignored the discussion.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 19, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
a Cubs fan posting incessantly
on a White Sox board?
Why, I have no idea what that must feel like.
o.0
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 19, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions
also
Harrelson career HRs = 131
Santo career HRs = 342
Harrelson AS games = 1
Santo AS games = 9
Harrelson Gold Gloves = 0
Santo Gold Gloves = 5
Harrelson Failed PGA bids = 1
Santo Failed PGA bids = 0
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 18, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
in addition to the fact that Hawk always blames one ball/strike call in a game...
to starting everything. He probably says if my teammates didn’t make so many outs when I played…I’d have more RBI.
and apparently
Alexi was playing farther back as shortstop than he has seen in FIFTY YEARS — that’s FIFTY YEARS of watching baseball.
Did he mention it was FIFTY YEARS?
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 19, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions
In defense of Hendry re: Miles
I’ll be the first to agree Miles has been a disaster in every way, but sometimes a dropoff like this is impossible to forecast. Here was a guy whose OBP had risen in 4 successive years (in other words his #s were not declining), his average pulling nearly 400 ab per year the last two years was over .290, and defensively he was actually pretty competent last year.
We can certainly debate the 2 year contract Hendry offered Miles and criticize him for that, but if Miles was matching his recent numbers and hitting .300 in 400 ab this year I doubt we would be complaining.
A lot of people were complaining the second he was signed
He has never done anything good his whole career, and his .317 BA was a mirage. Hendry tries to “sell high” on DeRosa and gets burned, while he signs Aaron Miles at his ultimate “high” point.
Thats a lot like Z’s first two ABs yesterday, big swings and big misses.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
Congrats to Lee, Soto, Soriano, Johnson & Hofffpauir..........
Hoffpauir?? He did start the rally in the 8th with a shot that handcuffed the 2nd baseman that was RULED an error………..just saying
If you had to choose just one characteristic that would get you through life, choose a sense of humor.
I'll give you that one.
I thought that was going to be ruled a hit. Since it was an error, all four runs off Linebrink became unearned.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Hawk and Stone blamed Wrigley
The infield was hard in back and soft in front, meaning poor Getz never had a chance, in their mind.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
Blame Wrigley
Do other organ-I-zations continually rag on the Northside park like our Southside friends? Just askin’…
BTW, I like the Cell. Just sayin’.
The STL tv guys aren't big fans
Wrigley’s wind has wronged the Cardinals every time they play there. The walls are too close, the baskets only catch Cubs homers, and the wind changes in the Cubs favor at all times.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
Wait, they blamed the park that was re-sodded and leveled by the same people who did Comiskey?
Ridiculous.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Bill Potter on Jun 19, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
They did not blame Wrigley.
Stop that. They were simply saying that the dirt at Wrigley is softer up front than it was in the back. Can anyone say this isn’t true? Had BB made that same comment, no one would have said anything. But because it came from Stone (Sox announcer) everyone is jumping all over him.
Moreover, they kept saying that all the runs were unearned, which to me implied that they blamed it on Getz’s error rather than Wrigley. Now the fantom 3rd call strike on Soriano is a different story, Hawk was being a baby about that.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
actually I would be ripping Brenley if he said that too
its stupid to say something like that. Be a better baseball player, Andres Blanco had no issues with that infield.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
Again, he wasn't make excuses for Getz in my opinion.
Stop making me defend the White Sox!!! hahaha. This feels like my Jason Marquis defending last year.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
Fair enough
Nobody should have to defend those guys.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
no
they said the runs were un-earned because that’s the way the official scorer called the play.
Stoney went at length about how while the guy who had re-done wrigley was great, the water table, blah blah blah, front soft, back trampoline, blah blah blah…
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 19, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm going to go home and listen how long he talked about it.
30 seconds is my guess. I just think Cubs fans need to be a little more objective at times, that’s all I’m saying. To me it was an interesting note about how the field plays at Wrigley.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
everyone
perceives things differently. I think he was making excuses for Getz’s error.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 19, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Congratulate Getz
who misplayed the ball.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 19, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions
I got into it with Scott Podsednik out in the bleachers.
I was giving him crap about striking out the inning before, he turned around and said something (which I couldn’t hear). Then I started mimicking his strike out with my arms and that really got him going. He said “I don’t swing like that” over and over. It was pretty funny. I’ve never seen a player get into it with a fan like that before.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
I never understood why fans heckle players
Does this make people feel good about themselves? Proud? Big guy in the bleachers?
Just wondering.
"I knew we were in for a long season when we lined up for the national anthem on opening day and one of my players said, 'Every time I hear that song I have a bad game.'" - Jim Leyland
Listening to Bruce Levine right now
He HATES Milton. Said the hot streak for Milton was all singles implying that it isn’t as good.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
Milton
is never gonna get a fair shake from the press. EVER.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 19, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Jake Fox is in the lineup
ESPN 1000 reported on their update that Fox will play third and bat sixth today.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
Interesting
Looking at the stats, Cleveland doesn’t lay down too many bunts (21 sacrifice bunts on the year), so this may be a game in which the Cubs can protect Fox defensively at third.
I wonder who plays second – Fontenot, Blanco, or the Ancient Mariner.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Bill Potter on Jun 19, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
against Lee
Fontenot should be left at home. Knowing Lou it is Miles playing second.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
Probably.
Though I’d like to see how Blanco hits right-handed.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
by Bill Potter on Jun 19, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions
If I remember right
I think Blanco said after he came up that he can’t hit righty anymore, but then he bunted righty yesterday. Either way I’m playing Blanco everyday because he is at least an equal hitter and a way better fielder.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
His VOM (Value Over Miles)
is pretty high right now, given his defense. Come to think of it, I’m going to judge the other 24 players on the active roster by this scale from now on.
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by Bill Potter on Jun 19, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Okay...
Please name a player, current or past, with a negative VOM.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
percieved or actual?
Pie.
Cedeno
EPatt.
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 19, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
I like it...
Unfortunatley, it doesn’t look like there will be a game today.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 19, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Heavy storms hitting the north side right now.
I’m not leaving my house till they stop. Enough of sitting in the rain.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
no,
he needs to DANCE.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 19, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Pretty dark in the loop right now...
But no rain yet.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 19, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh, I think there will be
They’ve had so many rainouts, they don’t want another. There will be windows and likely a long day.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 19, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't they have to be done a certain time per city law?
Or do they just have to start the game and that law no longer applies?
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
Once they start, they're ok IIRC
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 19, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Nice
Well hopefully they start the game on time, get it stated and then play the waiting game.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
Or get a nice lead, play 4 1/2 and call it!
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 19, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
No, they don't have to be done by a certain time.
But, they do have a noon start tomorrow. They wouldn’t want to have a five-hour rain delay like they had in NY yesterday.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
true, but at the same time
we don’t want to play 60 days in a row at the end of the season.
A rainout gives us a shot at an extra Aramis game, so either way I’m okay with whatever happens.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
Actually...
… a rainout today probably means a DH tomorrow. The Cubs and Indians have ONE common off-day: September 10. Playing on that day would require the Cubs to play 34 days in a row (since they are already likely making up the Sox rainout on September 3). There’s no way they’d approve that.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Any ideas on how a DH would work tomorrow, Al?
I ask only because I have tickets for tomorrow and would be driving up from Indianapolis.
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by Bill Potter on Jun 19, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd likely be a conventional DH, not a day-night.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
RAPTURE!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 19, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Crapture
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 19, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions
over under on
Jake Fox needs to be sent back to AAA/Jake Fox needs to play over Soriano permanently fan posts by 4pm?
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 19, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
The way things have been going lately around here
I’ll take the over.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 19, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions
the line is 1.5
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by Bill Potter on Jun 19, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
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