Cubs Find Lost Offense, Win In Comeback 6-5! Sun Rises In West, Cubs And Sox Fans Get Along ... Well, Nothing's Impossible, Right?
by Al on Jun 18, 2009 5:05 PM CDT
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In the bottom of the eighth, after Milton Bradley had struck out with two runners on base, I was sitting in the bleachers thinking gloomy thoughts along the lines of, "What on Earth can I write recapping this disaster?", when Derrek Lee and Geovany Soto suddenly brought life to the blue-shirted portion of today's sellout of 40,467 by slamming back-to-back homers, Lee's into the basket in right, Soto's deep to left-center. It was the Cubs' first multi-homer game since a 7-1 win over the Reds in Cincinnati on June 7, in which Ryan Theriot and Alfonso Soriano homered.
That tied a game that it appeared Carlos Marmol had put out of reach in favor of the White Sox in the top of the eighth by allowing the White Sox three solid hits and two runs. That's only the fourth time all year (in 33 appearances) that Marmol had to be lifted before an inning was over. I'm getting a little worried about him. Fortunately, Sean Marshall put out the fire (after walking Josh Fields) and Kevin Gregg threw a scoreless inning, helped by a nice defensive stop by Theriot, keeping the score tied.
Now, tell me this: even though Soriano has been in a monster slump, why on Earth would you pitch to him with first base open in a tie game with two out in the bottom of the ninth? Theriot hasn't exactly been setting the world on fire, and walking him sets up a force play. Sox fans in the bleachers couldn't believe Ozzie actually went to the mound to discuss it and then decided to pitch to him.
Sori delivered the game-winning single to CF, capping one of the best comebacks of the year and giving the Cubs a 6-5 win over the White Sox.
It is often said about wins like this that they can energize a team and send them on a winning streak. Of course, that's only true in hindsight; perhaps we will look back months from now and say, "That was the game that started the Cubs on their playoff run." All it is, for the moment, is a well-deserved win after the first seven innings were more-of-the-same; wasted opportunties with runners in scoring position, three double plays in the first six innings, and another fine pitching performance from Carlos Zambrano seemingly consigned to the "L" column. Incidentally, if you're thinking about starting the "DP-Lee" talk again after his DP grounder today, don't; that was DP #2 for Lee this year. His production since May 17 now is .362/.439/.574 with 5 doubles, 5 HR and 15 RBI in 94 at-bats.
Z had his heavy sinker working again; in the first five innings there were eight outs recorded on ground balls. The pitch count got a little elevated later and so did his pitches, one of which was driven into the LF bleachers by Alexei Ramirez for a two-run homer after Z's pitch count was already over 110. Lou had Aaron Heilman up in that inning, but apparently thought Z could get Ramirez after the second out was recorded.
I still think a major move needs to be made to pump up this offense; Aaron Miles, who did not start today but came into the game on a double switch in the 9th, grounded out with a chance to win the game and really should just be released. I'd still be in favor of getting Mark DeRosa back. Maybe the Tribe could just leave him here after the weekend. I don't mean to start the back-and-forth firestorm about DeRo again, but since he'll be in town...
In any case, the Cubs will have their hands full with Cliff Lee tomorrow; Lee nearly no-hit the Cardinals last Sunday, and we don't want any of that going on.
Finally, I received multiple emails about nastiness in the game threads today. I don't know how many times I need to play hall monitor and scold you, but the rules of this site are clear. Be passionate about baseball and the Cubs, but be nice to each other. If someone's bothering you, walk away. Thanks for your help in keeping this place an enjoyable place to be for everyone.
And now let's start a long winning streak!
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Now, tell me this: even though Soriano has been in a monster slump, why on Earth would you pitch to him with first base open in a tie game with two out in the bottom of the ninth? Theriot hasn’t exactly been setting the world on fire, and walking him sets up a force play. Sox fans in the bleachers couldn’t believe Ozzie actually went to the mound to discuss it and then decided to pitch to him.
I believe that’s a perfect example of Guillén’s narcissism and stubbornness. That move epitomizes his petulance, and I’m happy it came back to bite him in the ass.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jun 18, 2009 5:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree to a certain extent.
Not sure about the narcissism part, but I’d guess Ozzie pitched to Soriano because he believed Alfonso would strike out to end the game and, in doing so, take the Cubs and their fans to a new low. Didn’t happen.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 18, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except that it wouldn't have ended the game.
Just prolonged it.
"I'll never forget how I felt last October." ~Kosuke Fukudome
by Goodie1969 on Jun 18, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's still not as bad as pitching to Chipper Jones with 1B open in a game winning/losing situation, IMHO.
"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." ~ Frank Sinatra
by DMCub on Jun 18, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree, that one was really bad.
But it’s past.
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by KaliCub on Jun 18, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frankly....
…the way Soriano has been going, I think Theriot would have had a better chance to get a base hit to win the game. I would have done the same thing.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Jun 18, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree fully.
Theriot is more of a contact guy, unlike Soriano who could get the Sox out of the inning with three of his patented whiffs. It didn’t turn out right for Ozzie, but I support the strategy.
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by tville on Jun 19, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Soriano was hot...
…it’s a different story, but he has been ice cold.
If your concern was giving up a homer, you walk him, but if your main concern is a base hit, i pitch to him every time.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Jun 19, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I second the notion of starting a long winning streak!
"He can't hit, he can't field, he can't run—all he can do is beat you."
by Itchy on Jun 18, 2009 5:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
In regards to your question of why do
you pitch to Soriano in the 9th? Brenly claimed it was because Soriano was more prone to the strike out while Theriot is more of a contact hitter.
Not sure I agree with that assessment (easy to say now, I know)….but it’s not the dumbest idea in the world either.
by Neifi Puppy on Jun 18, 2009 5:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Brenly does make a good point.
And he knows how a manager would think.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 18, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, but...
… the “by the book” move is to put him on.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 18, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Soriano has confused everyone by being so bad for so long.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 18, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
think it's
strategery? :P
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's wiley, that Soriano.
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by Trey2317 on Jun 18, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is ironic, because he's blocking Jake Fox.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 18, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no he's not!
Is Jake Fox a left-fielder? Jim Thome, THAT’s who’s blocking Jake Fox! :P
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, really.
Just about every DH in the AL is blocking Jake Fox.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 18, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well it's not............
……….like he crushed the game winning hit.
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by tville on Jun 19, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The sun does rise in the east.
Reminds me of a line from Happy Gilmore: “Yeah, right. And Grizzly Adams had a beard.”
Heck of a win. Hopefully it is the one that we look back on come September and October.
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by Trey2317 on Jun 18, 2009 5:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Crap.
I meant “west”. I’ll change it.
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by Al on Jun 18, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No worries.
I knew what you were going for.
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by Trey2317 on Jun 18, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So did I.
Long day.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 18, 2009 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But a good day.
Just imagine if you had to have written that “Was 2008 as good as it Getz?” recap?
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by Trey2317 on Jun 18, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
::: groan :::
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by Al on Jun 18, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just hope this momentum carries into a strong series versus Cleveland.
They’ll be coming in licking their wounds after being swept.
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by Trey2317 on Jun 18, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This might just be the chance the Cubs' offense needs.
Apart from Cliff Lee, that pitching staff is horrendous.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 18, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Cubs have a shot against Clifton Phifer Lee.
Check out his splits this year: obviously, the numbers are still good, but he’s been ridiculous at home, decent on the road (the road numbers are also influenced from his first start this year in which he gave up 7 ER).
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by Trey2317 on Jun 18, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probable pitchers for Cleveland:
Friday – Cliff Lee
Saturday – Tomo Ohka (who knew he was still in baseball)
Sunday – Jeremy Sowers (a soft-tossing lefty who wants to try and be Tom Glavine, with less-than-Glavine results thus far)
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by Trey2317 on Jun 18, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soft lefty?
Yikes.
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by Allie on Jun 18, 2009 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking
he’ll be unstoppable.
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's like Doug Davis.
but worse. he hasn’t learned to hit spots yet.
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by Trey2317 on Jun 18, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he can re-teach the Cubs to take walks.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 18, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seemed to work today.
Those 3 walks helped.
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by Trey2317 on Jun 18, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The guy who pitched 7 innings and gave up 2 hits in a 10-0 win over the Cubs on 4/29?
o.0
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's who I'd compare him to.
But without location, and young – therefore prone to the letting the moment get to him.
(At least that’s what I’m telling myself when I see “soft-tossing lefty”)
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by Trey2317 on Jun 18, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
alright
well, I’ll hope it goes your way. :D
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You with all your stats and facts...
Boy oh boy oh boy
by BleedsbluinMI on Jun 18, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, Haren and Davis were just brutal on the Cubs.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 18, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or, were the Cubs brutal on themselves?
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by Trey2317 on Jun 18, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess that's the eternal question.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 18, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if "dog" was spelled
c-a-t?
by Craig in South Bend on Jun 18, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
God would be spelled
Tac.
Good Tac. I swear to Tac. TACDAMMIT!
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed.
They have made some poor pitchers look pretty good during the first two months of the year.
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by Trey2317 on Jun 18, 2009 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haren was brutal on the Cubs
Davis … well, the Cubs actually have been about .500 against him overall. But that stadium in Phoenix is a house of horrors for the Cubs.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 18, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That it is.
combine a wily lefty like Davis and that stadium, and it’s trouble.
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by Trey2317 on Jun 18, 2009 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's pretty much how I feel, too.
I recall thinking that Haren really was on that night – and he is a good pitcher. Davis just put the Cubs to sleep – they probably should’ve done more with the pitches he gave them.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 18, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
except when z almost hit for the cycle there this year
by jesus christos on Jun 18, 2009 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was anxious to read your recap
because I was energized after this unthinkable win. Just another game was my thought and then blast-blast and we win in the 9th. This should go a long ways to getting this team back “on”!
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on Jun 18, 2009 5:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I was reading the game threads, but 20 minutes
behind the game.
It was amazing to see how the two HR’s followed by a win changed the team and the thread.
A big shot of optomism booster right to the tuchus.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Jun 18, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or optimism.
Optomism sounds like a former stripper wtih 8 babies and bad eyesight.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Jun 18, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eww, no talk on premature optomism.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Jun 19, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would take a while to get through the comments.
Somewhere along the way, we all (or most) got caught in Overflow 1 and forgot to leave.
Final comment tally in Overflow Thread 1: 1228 comments
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by Trey2317 on Jun 18, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no one
posted a jump, I think. I ended up having a meeting that ended right before the bottom of the 9th, and I figured out what had happened after the game was over. :D
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't post a jump
because I was sick of all the bitching and whining in the other thread. It was very nice in the one I was in.
by sue369 on Jun 18, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
I can’t argue with that.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I blame myself.
I should’ve done it. But that thread was slowing my computer down to the point where I had to get off and I didn’t want to slog back through it to post a jump.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 18, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We can all play the blame game.
I should have looked for Overflow 2, but I got caught up in the game.
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by Trey2317 on Jun 18, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's alright.
I’ll blame Daver too.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They don't call me Aaron Miles for nothin'.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 18, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you have to pay them?
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Royalties.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 18, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bah
copyright laws.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I blame you too
Linus: Life is rarely all one way, Charlie Brown. You win some, you lose some. Charlie Brown: Really? Gee, that'd be neat.
by CyberCyclist on Jun 18, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, yeah...join the club.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 18, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I hit .317 last year!
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 18, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we don't care about
your fantasy baseball career.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
aaron miles did help because if he beat out the throw reed would have waited to see if he needed to tag up on soris bloop
by jesus christos on Jun 18, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the whole feeling
changed. I have my own observations as to why that is, but at right now, I don’t give a darn. :D
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
IT WAS AWESOME!
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 5:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Now I'm really bummed I missed it
Boo!
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by Allie on Jun 18, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was like
someone picked the game thread up, twirled it over their head a few times like a pizza dough, and slapped it down, just facing in the opposite direction.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you. That was me paisano!
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by Zeke on Jun 18, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn
We win when I don’t watch… :-(
Bright side, I won’t be in town this weekend so maybe it’ll work out?
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by Allie on Jun 18, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least you can watch.
I don’t get WGN on my Dish Network, so very few Cubs games. This makes me actually look forward to when they are on FOX or ESPN. Cubs on those networks will make me watch.
P.S.: I’m working this weekend … urgh.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 18, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get WGN local
but I don’t have CSN or any of the others.
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by Allie on Jun 18, 2009 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only time I get those is when I visit Chicago.
My grandmother gets them in her house near Elgin.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 18, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Silly me.
My parents about 30 minutes away by car get WGN.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 18, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
for the cost of the gas
you could probably just add the superstation pkg to your Dish and get WGN
by LT on Jun 18, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm thinking of looking into that,
But I work evenings. I would still miss the Cubs. The only way I could catch the games is if I set the DVR to record them.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 18, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huge
Had to work, got home for the 8th, had to listen to “Hawk” and Stone complain about the non-strike call on Soriano ( that was strike 3) for at least the rest of the inning , How people listen to “Hawk”, anyways. I am with you Al, when Bradley went down, my hopes went down also. Lee’s homerun was huge, but Soto’s was bigger, if he can somehow get going, with Lee hitting and Bradley at least getting some hits, it would be big.
I wonder if any changes will take place now? I still think Soriano needs a day off, we will see. I am sure he will be in left tomorrow.
Good to see the club get excited, get a little juiced for a change, please continue.
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by Grockcubs on Jun 18, 2009 5:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He had two days off earlier this week.
For me, at least, today buys him a deferral on the DL plan. Von Joshua did say that Soriano looked a lot better in the batting cage before the game (FWIW). I’m not sure what to do at this point.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 18, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was
2-4 today, right?
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2-for-5.
I’m not sure what “looking better in the batting cage” means. Plenty of guys hit well in BP, then not in games.
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by Al on Jun 18, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you know
looking GOOOOD. Heyo Mistah KOTT-ER!
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was talking about Soriano's hitting mechanics.
Can’t remember exactly what he said – something about Soriano either getting started too early or too late.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 18, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would assume he's "looking better in the batting cages"
means he was even having some bad BP sessions, or his mechanics were still off, but today that wasn’t the case, at least to the god awful extent. I don’t think Joshua meant Soriano is looking better in the cages than he is in the game. I would hope a professional hitting coach understands the difference between batting practice fastballs, and live game pitches
by WanderingWanderer on Jun 18, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do they throw low and away sliders
in batting practice? :)
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by CyberCyclist on Jun 18, 2009 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if they don't, they should start
Couldn’t hurt for him to see what’s going on in a more relaxed environment.
by WanderingWanderer on Jun 18, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Had to work today and only followed the game now and then via blackberry...
Looks like I know what Im going to be watching tonight!
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by zevkalman on Jun 18, 2009 5:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's sure is nice to see the celebrating after walk offs.
That has to be contagious and hope we can continue. If losing with ineptness causes them to press harder, then a little success can have the same affect.
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by KaliCub on Jun 18, 2009 5:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
True,
But I’d like to see them win a game and not have to jump around afterward (as in not a walk-off game).
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 18, 2009 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm all in favor of that too
I just want them to remember how it feels to win. It seems really infrequent lately.
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by KaliCub on Jun 18, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you would hope it was contagious, but we walked off Monday
and then played some bad baseball
by WanderingWanderer on Jun 18, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would've pitched to Soriano there too.
He’s been atrocious the last month plus.
And please, just cut Aaron Miles. He contributes absolutely nothing. He is, literally, worthless.
by kanderber on Jun 18, 2009 5:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on Miles.
Time to eat the sunk cost and just cut him.
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by Al on Jun 18, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At this point
I’m thinking paying him NOT to play may be the wisest investment yet.
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by Allie on Jun 18, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But then,
We’d still have to pay him money. He’s been a waste of $$$ so far this year.
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 18, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he can help the team by NOT playing!
That way, he can actually EARN his money!
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by Al on Jun 18, 2009 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no problem with that.
Blanco won’t bring much to the plate, but he can play good defense and lay down a fine bunt. When Freel gets back, put him at third and Fontenot can go to second base vs. RHP. Blanco can still play 2B vs. LHP – he won’t hit, but it’ll take the heat off Fontenot and, as mentioned, Andy White still gives you defense.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 18, 2009 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When Freel gets back, put him on the waiver wire.
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by Al on Jun 18, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
SOLD
to the man with the giant umbrella!
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Fontenot stays at third base?
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 18, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Until they get DeRosa back.
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by Al on Jun 18, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahhhhhhh, I see what you did there.
Is this wishful thinking or inside info?
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 18, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do know they're considering it.
Don’t know how serious that interest is or where it might go.
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by Al on Jun 18, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A sweep this weekend would go a long way to influencing Cleveland's thinking.
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by Trey2317 on Jun 18, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I've teased the DeRomantics in the past...
…but I’d like to see it happen, assuming it didn’t cost the Cubs too much. It really appears DeRo’s power is for real, and he’d take some pressure off Aramis, too.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 18, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, he's insurance for a continuing Fukudome slump
or a Bradley injury.
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by Trey2317 on Jun 18, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A Bradley injury?
Singular? That’s optimism.
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by Goodie1969 on Jun 18, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why did we trade him again?
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 18, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To rile up everyone on this board.
And just to play with Aaron Miles’ emotions.
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by Trey2317 on Jun 18, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
to clear payroll
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Career year
wrong side of 30 and a chance to get more LH.
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by Allie on Jun 18, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is well on his way to another career year
But I’ll drop it now
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 18, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure
we know that NOW. But at the time… You have to make your moves with the knowledge you know, not the knowledge you don’t know. Even if you don’t know you don’t know it.
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
Donald Rumsfeld.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 18, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that never
gets old.
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did someone mention Rummy?
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by Clutch16 on Jun 19, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With the interest in Pedro, what
pitcher are they thinking of giving up.
I can’t imagine the Indians would want Harden with his health, cost, and contract up.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Jun 19, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Indians probably would take Harden for the contract reason alone...
… their exposure would be limited to the rest of this year.
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by Al on Jun 19, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
can't we put them both on the waiver wire?
Freel is nothing but Aaron Miles II
by WanderingWanderer on Jun 18, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
simply amazing...
I'm a lefty, maybe Lou should give me a shot for a position in the bullpen!!
by Chanman25 on Jun 18, 2009 5:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good Call
As good of a game as Ozzie managed on Thursday, he did the opposite today. Yanking Gavin Floyd after only 90 pitches, when he was rolling, and pitching to Soriano in the 9th with first-base open were huge mistakes. Thanks, Ozzie!
by tripdenten on Jun 18, 2009 5:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Told you I was good luck ( so far)
I was SO pumped up. My first interleague game at Wrigley.Practically surrounded by Sox fans.
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by Doggie Stalker on Jun 18, 2009 5:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Great win
This weekend is key
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 18, 2009 5:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The key to victory was Kalicub's bathroom breaks.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 18, 2009 5:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hahahahaha
Not the way I wanted to be immortalized.
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by KaliCub on Jun 18, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would you prefer if we used the picture from the first overflow thread?
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by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 18, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which one was that, the outdoor toilet?
At least I would have a view. :)
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by KaliCub on Jun 18, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Worst. Shopping mall. Ever.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 18, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So stoked for tomorrow now
I was really, really starting to not look forward to going to tomorrow’s game. I mean, I wanted to go, but it wasn’t the big deal it usually is to me. Now, I can’t wait to get into the bleachers, flag in hand, hopefully being able to fly it, and not use it to cover up from the rain.
by Craig in South Bend on Jun 18, 2009 5:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
WOW
I turned off my TV in the 8th.
I said to myself if they have a comeback I’ll read about it and be happy for them.
I went on here thinking you’d have a righful negative post.
This is a win they needed!
by ak123 on Jun 18, 2009 5:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Will Dr. Crawdad show up, ya' think?
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by zevkalman on Jun 18, 2009 5:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
::: crickets :::
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by Al on Jun 18, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
say his name
three times, and who knows?
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
PAGING DR CRAWDAD
Crawdad, Crawdad. I’m betting we won’t see him
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 18, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably later.
Expect a lot of condescending, backhanded compliments, though.
“Good to see the Cubs take advantage of that blown third strike call on Soriano. They haven’t been doing that lately.”
Stuff like that.
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by Goodie1969 on Jun 18, 2009 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Worst part?
He’s not wrong.
Time to string a few of those together.
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by Allie on Jun 18, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thoughts on Marmol
Remember when he had a brief injury and was off for about 4 games? I feel like that was the turning point for him not throwing too well.
Anyone else have info. to back up that was when his decline started? He might be hurt.
by ak123 on Jun 18, 2009 5:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He tweaked his knee
But he wasn’t really “on” before then.
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by Allie on Jun 18, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was gald to see that lou
did NOT use heilman late in the game after warming him up and then not using him earlier. that kind of stuff kills aaron’s ability to be effective…
by brian custer on Jun 18, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems like we haven't seen Aaron in a while.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 18, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe he is lou's doghouse
which, if true, would be at least a little bit unjust.
by brian custer on Jun 18, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not at all
He was innefective when Lou brought him in relieve other relievers. Plus the other guys have been more effective (with the exception to unfortunately Marmol).
by ak123 on Jun 18, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
aaron's WHIP
is pretty good. he can be very effective under the right circumstances
by brian custer on Jun 18, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, it's 1.57. That's not particularly good...
…but it seems like he’s pitched a little better recently.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 18, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about the wrong circumstances
Lou brings him in with inherited runners.
If he starts an inning he pitches OK but that’s not what Lou wants him to do. Lou needs him to get out of jams and he fails. It’s not all Aaron’s fault. He failed at that on the Mets too. Lou should have known this in the past and not brought him in those situations.
by ak123 on Jun 18, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lou's bullpen managment will never make sense
At least not to me.
He does some really strange things.
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by Allie on Jun 18, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
aaron's real problem
is BB’s. he just seems to need a batter or two to get his bearings; maybe a left-over trait from his starting days at Notre Dame. that option is not available when aaron comes in w/runners already on… aaron has a strong lively arm. hopefully he will find a niche…
by brian custer on Jun 18, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he's given up a lot of hits, too - 27 in 28 IP.
And he’s not striking out enough hitters. His K:BB is under 2.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 18, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It all comes back to the walks...
his K rate is fine. But when you’re walking six batters per 9 innings, it’s darn near impossible to have a 2:1 K:BB rate.
If he was walking 3 per 9 innings, he’d probably be having a pretty good season…
by SouthernCub on Jun 18, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good starting pitching
Has meant less use of bullpen.
But I’m all for us never signing another Cub with the first name Aaron again.
by ak123 on Jun 18, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The less Aaron the better, I say.
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by Allie on Jun 18, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I watched some of the game today...
…ON MY PHONE! How rad is that streaming video to iPhone? And it didn’t cost a thing since I already had it for radio!
As soon as I turned it on, the Cubs did too, with back to back dingers :)
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by PacificCub on Jun 18, 2009 5:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cool. Can you do that same exact thing with like results
For say, every game the rest of the year?
Boy oh boy oh boy
by BleedsbluinMI on Jun 18, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been trying
When I turned on the radio feed yesterday they promptly gave up 2 runs… so I’ll work on it.
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by PacificCub on Jun 18, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Say your team is mired in a godawful offensive slump and you want them to break out of it...
…there’s an app for that.
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by Goodie1969 on Jun 18, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome.
That means I should get at least an iTouch.
Question: Can you stream the game through the iPhone’s ATT connection, or can you do it only using Wi-Fi?
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 18, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With an iPhone?
AFAIK, both.
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by Allie on Jun 18, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've heard that using the AT&T data service
is a real battery killer though, not so much with the Wi-Fi.
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by Goodie1969 on Jun 18, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Other way around
although I do know that if 3G isn’t available, and it switches over to Edge, then that tends to use a bit more juice.
by Craig in South Bend on Jun 18, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't have one
But my friend lives in a really rural area and she doesn’t have any problem.
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by Allie on Jun 18, 2009 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Both
And the 3G isn’t bad quality either… though it did have to play catch up on the stream more than a few times. WiFi was gold.
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by PacificCub on Jun 18, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care what you say
I lurves me my Geo
by Emelie on Jun 18, 2009 5:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Al, I'm glad the Cubs are considering trading for DeRosa, as you wrote above.
On the other hand, I think Mármol needs to rest. Let Guzmán set up for a few games.
I just found out about the win logging in here, since I’m still at the office. I just watched the video on MLB.com. My law clerk thought something had happened to me when he heard me screaming. Anyway, maybe I’ll watch it tonight on the archives.
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 18, 2009 5:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Close the deal tomorrow night Hendry!
Plays for Cleveland tomorrow, Cubs on Saturday & Sunday.
by JFCubFan on Jun 18, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marmol hadn't pitched since 6/14.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 18, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot. That's even worse. Any thoughts on what to do?
I’d still give more responsibility to Guzmán while the coaches work with Mármol’s mechanics.
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 18, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I think I'd still keep mixing in Guzman and Ascanio...
…but Marmol also strikes me as a guy who needs fairly regular work to stay sharp – but not too much work or he gets overused. I don’t know what to do, to be honest.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 18, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's Marmol's option status?
Can we send him down so he can get straightened out?
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by Allie on Jun 18, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He does have one option left.
I wonder whether it’ll come to that. Hard to see right now, because he’s still a pretty high-profile guy. But maybe that would help at some point. Michael Wuertz went down last season and he’s been lights out for the A’s this season.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 18, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he continues to struggle, maybe.
But then again, Marmol had that stretch last year where he was completely useless, and the Cubs kept him up.
I think they’ll just try to balance throwing him regularly and keeping him fresh versus wearing his arm out.
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by Trey2317 on Jun 18, 2009 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was like 3 weeks
last year.
This has been a lot longer than that.
Didn’t see him today, but the last few times I’ve seen him pitch, he’s forcibly reminded me of Dontrelle Willis’ motion. Arms and legs everywhere with no idea where the ball is going.
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by Allie on Jun 18, 2009 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right.
I just don’t see a scenario in which the Cubs take their 8th-inning man and send him to Iowa.
I could see the Cubs using him in low-leverage situations for a while and using Guzman and Ascanio in higher-leverage situations.
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by Trey2317 on Jun 18, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But if he's ineffective
and not getting it back…. you’re going to have to do something.
We’re already holding too many pitchers we don’t trust in the ‘pen, I don’t see how you can add Marmol to that list.
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by Allie on Jun 18, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Cubs are too stubborn to send him down.
Finding some “arm trouble” to DL him and give him a rehab assignment, maybe.
But if you’re going to demote people based on performance, Marmol is probably second or third in that line.
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by Trey2317 on Jun 18, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not so much performance
but to get him a chance to get some work without the pressure of always having to be “on”, you know?
I’d rather he found “it” up here, but if he doesn’t… I just think something is going to have to happen.
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by Allie on Jun 18, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I understand what you're saying.
I think he might find himself pitching the 6th or 7th inning in a few games, just to throw some low-leverage innings to see if he can find “it.”
If he struggles in those outings, then yes, I would think Iowa becomes an option.
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by Trey2317 on Jun 18, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marmol would have to clear Optional Assignment Waivers
before he can be optioned to the minors.
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by flachimesa on Jun 18, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But that's only two games ago.
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by Al on Jun 18, 2009 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. I don't think Mármol has been overworked.
He’s just been inconsistent, to say the least.
I would work on his mechanics and give more responsibility to Guzmán until and if Mármol gets back on the right track. Meanwhile, Mármol can be used in situations with less pressure instead of setting up for the closer.
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 18, 2009 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care who you are
but no one who saw Soriano make that catch in the Cub’s bullpen in the top of the 7th can say he’s a slacker or lacks passion. That was an extremely difficult play, and he could have slacked off on it without any complaint — he had to dodge Heilman, nearly ran into the wall, and did run into a security guard. That was ballsy.
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 6:00 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
props to Sori for that one, especially going over the mound
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by KaliCub on Jun 18, 2009 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd forgotten about that play because of what followed
but you’re right, Drew. That was a helluva play, especially if his knee is still bugging him.
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by Trey2317 on Jun 18, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've never understood the questions about Soriano's heart
Just because guys don’t all play balls out like RJ doesn’t mean they don’t care.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 18, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its not that
Soriano is more talented and a better natural athlete. He’s running hard but b/c he’s so smooth, he doesn’t have the look of Reed’s effort.
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by Allie on Jun 18, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats what I mean
RJ or even Miles look like they are giving 110%. Soriano is giving 110% too, he just does it naturally.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 18, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree..
I think a lot of the perception about Soriano’s effort is because he’s really tentative going back on balls hit over his head. So his lack of comfort comes across as indifference or lack of effort because he doesn’t go full out.
As such, he plays deep. He’s less afraid to charge the ball. The play today was in front of him, so he went for it. And made a great play.
Hopefully the base hits (and the non-base hit in the first inning that was lined into the corner but caught) get him going. It goes without saying that he’s REALLY due for a decent stretch of hitting. I mean, he’s OPSing less than Milton Bradley at this point in the season.
by SouthernCub on Jun 18, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this whole "passion" thing has been overblown
Everybody looks more “passionate” when they’re winning. Lack of passion hasn’t been this team’s problem. In fact, I think the problem might be too much passion.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 18, 2009 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've had my problems with Soriano's approach at the plate
I’ve never had a problem with his approach to the game. He’s not a slacker.
by WanderingWanderer on Jun 18, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man this feels good
We needed this terribly.
"Check the magic of a winning season and there are always reasons beyond the talent." Ned Colleti
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jun 18, 2009 6:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Most important question
Was this the game?
It seems eerily familiar to 2007 game vs. the Brewers.
Maybe this is the kind of game that jumpstarts everyone.
If we win this series, I think we’re going in the right direction!
by ak123 on Jun 18, 2009 6:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We won't know for weeks
But it could be.
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by Allie on Jun 18, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What put so much emphasis on this being what you think it may be
because if it isn’t, you’re just going to be disappointed. Just look at it for what it was, a good, hard fought, come from behind win.
by Craig in South Bend on Jun 18, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say this after every win
But these are the kinds of games that we as fans look at and say “they turned it around”.
by ak123 on Jun 18, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, this series is over for the time being.
But I know what you mean – a strong showing against the Indians would definitely be a sign that this team is truly on the mend.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 18, 2009 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still thinking we have a game tomorrow
The rainout has confused me!
by ak123 on Jun 18, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tomorrow is the big game
Their ace, who happens to be coming off a near no-no. The offense needs to take off.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 18, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don't have problems with Aces
It’s the pitchers who have a 4.80 ERA that we make look like a Cy Young winner.
by ak123 on Jun 18, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sad but true...
"Check the magic of a winning season and there are always reasons beyond the talent." Ned Colleti
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jun 18, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we didnt make moehler look like lincecum
by jesus christos on Jun 18, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes but...
We’ve made enough pitchers look like 90’s Maddux.
by ak123 on Jun 18, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's better than that game IMO.
Bigger, we have to wait to judge. But we had 9 innings to come back from Rich Hill’s 5-run 1st in that Brewers game. We were down by 4 with 2 outs in the 8th today, and we won it in 9. With as many extra inning affairs as the Cubs have been involved this year, it’s pretty huge that they were able to win without forcing extras in that spot.
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by Goodie1969 on Jun 18, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So maybe it was like the 2008 Brewers game or the 2008 White Sox game?
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by Trey2317 on Jun 18, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's different in this way for me...
…It was arguably a better comeback than those other games, but it still doesn’t seem bigger in terms of the season yet. I felt like I could believe in those teams, ‘07 & ’08. Those wins felt like they meant something bigger than just one game, like they were on their way somewhere. I was so skeptical of this team going into today’s game that even a win this dramatic feels good, but tempered with the perspective of the first 61 games.
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by Goodie1969 on Jun 18, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's well put.
Hopefully this is the game that finally lights a fuse. We’ll find out eventually.
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by Trey2317 on Jun 18, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We do have to wait to judge.
The game today did have the makings of momentum changing win. Lou said he was going to have make some hard decisions; I think everyone and his mother thought that meant Fonzie either out of the line-up, or dropped out of the lead-off spot. Neither of these things happened. Instead Soriano goes 2-5, getting both the game tying RBI, and then the game winning RBI.
Derrek Lee? What else can I say but right now that guy is the calmest, coolest, leader of this team. He’s been doing it with his bat, with a little more power, as evidenced by today’s 3-run shot. He’s also been the calmest, before he started hitting, and after; even during this recent stretch where he has been the only one hitting. In ‘06, when D. Lee went down, I instantly got the feeling that the season could be over. I didn’t have, and still don’t have, that same feeling about Ramirez going down. As bad as this team has been, I still think the division is winnable, and if not, certainly the wild card.
It all depends on whether this loosens up the hitters, and if they continue to listen to Von & Lou. Lou said in the presser that Von has been working with the guys to, “take the ball to RF, stay on the ball longer, be selective.” This is the perfect approach for a team pressing, and continuing to slump. Relax, put the bat on the ball, remember what got you here…
I realize this is essentially me wishing that today’s game has a momentum changing effect for the Cubs team this year. I can’t help it, I’m a Cubs fan, and I still believe in this team.
I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 18, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the point I made in one of the other threads
Maybe it will be just like that game. It has the potential. Time will tell.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 18, 2009 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought that game
was the last one we won. Or the one before that. :D
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also of note...
the last two pictures following wins have involved Bradley bear-hugging the guy who got the winning hit (he was the guy mauling Theriot as well). For all the bashers of his character, he seems to genuinely have a passion for the game and for his teammates.
It looks like the hits are starting to come for Bradley. He’s up to .243 and the OPS is up to .741. Hopefully the power will come soon.
by SouthernCub on Jun 18, 2009 6:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Was there a pic of him doing the
“you can’t see me” to Soriano as he ran at him?
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 18, 2009 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did he do that?
That’s AWESOME! I’d love to see that!
by kanderber on Jun 18, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah he did
you can kind of see it on the mlb highlight, but I was hoping there would be a better angle. I’m watching the CSN replay right now, maybe they will have it.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 18, 2009 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Milton Bradley
LOVES to play baseball. I really do. I’m sure the money doesn’t hurt, but he strikes me as the kind of guy who would be managing little league or playing in a softball-beer league if he wasn’t a pro.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He said earlier this season
that he doesn’t play baseball, he feels it. I found that interesting, and illuminating.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 18, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stop it!
You’re going to make me cry.
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by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 18, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As if this team hadn't had you
on the verge of tears already. :)
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 18, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was my sig line
for a while. I really want him to stick with the team.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope he didnt hurt himself
picking up Soriano at the end of the game.
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by tedinSoCal on Jun 18, 2009 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it okay for grown men to cry?
We won a lot of games this way last year, and I was really pumped to hear Pat and Ron going ape-s* when Soriano plated Johnson… kinda nostaligic since last year seems like eons ago to me :-) hopefully that walk-off will be the spark Sori needs and we’ll finally get some offense going. Another think I thought of on my 40 mile drive home, we still (I think) have the least games played this year because of rainouts, we could get several half-games back when we make those up and other teams may have off days… My optimism has been renewed! Whoo, great win!!
by Fonzie2178 on Jun 18, 2009 6:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It reminds me...
… of Santo crying about a Sox walk-off win in ‘03 the day AFTER. And the Tribune’s Paul Sullivan blasting the Brewers for their win over the Cubs in their home opener. Sullivan said that the Brewers were celebrating like they’d won the World Series. No doubt Sullivan won’t whip out that put-down on the Cubs today.
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by DrCrawdad on Jun 18, 2009 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sullivan is a bitter hobbit.
I’m not sure a lot of Cubs fans are too concerned with his sentiments.
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by Goodie1969 on Jun 18, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, but...
… a lot of concern about what the sentiments of what some call a bitter old man, The Hawk Harrelson.
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by DrCrawdad on Jun 18, 2009 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zzzz
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 18, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, but...
Mine were tears of joy!!! :-)
by Fonzie2178 on Jun 18, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So were mine...
… in 2005 when the White Sox won the World Series in a sweep!
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by DrCrawdad on Jun 18, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you must be so proud...
your like an annoying grandma that wants to always show us pictures of your ugly grandkids. We don’t care.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 18, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just saw the highlights on SportsNite...
With Hawk’s commentary in the background, jeeze, what an unprofessional whiner. That pitch was borderline (ball IMO) low and away, and he just keeps whining about it for the entire inning. Makes me more thankful for Len and Bob every time I hear him.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 18, 2009 6:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He invented the battting glove don't ya know?
Seriously though. Hawk is a huge homer, (as we all know). He harped, and harped, and harped some more about that pitch. Earlier in the game he agreed with Stoney on a pitch, that AJ brought back with his glove. He didn’t say the same thing, even though the pitch and receipt of the ball to Fonzie was very similar. Selective Hawk is. A homer Hawk is.
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by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 18, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and to me
that’s one of the differences between Santo and Hawk. Santo will talk about what we’re not doing right. He’ll complain about the Cubs players screwing up.
I don’t get the feeling that the WS announcers are like that.
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ron's a homer too...
But I’ve never heard him say that games will be “played under a protest” or gripe about a strike call for an entire inning. A few “Oh gee wiz”s and a “boy o boy” and that’s pretty much the end of it.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 18, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and if
the ump is squeezing their pitcher but not ours, he’ll talk about it. He’ll talk about how we got lucky on a call.
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he'll bitch about every call that goes against the Cubs
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 18, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
eh
sometimes. Sometimes, he sees it the way it is. Hawk was complaining about that not-strike on Soriano in the next inning.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His first reaction is almost always to bitch
He’ll admit to being wrong, but he’ll usually whine out the “offending” umpire’s name first.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 18, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
I listen to almost every game on the radio. Maybe I’m not paying as much attention.
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 18, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or when a Cub does it . . . ?
No offense, but you do tend to ignore the “home team’s” foibles.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 18, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose that's a possibility as well.
Still, I’m glad I don’t have to listen to Hawk. It was worth it to see the game reply, but never again…
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 19, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what bugged me most was
Harrelson seemed to ignore the Getz error that started the whole mess for the Sox.
by thermal54 on Jun 19, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
is that the one where Stoney
went on and on about how the front of the infield is soft and the back of the infield is like a trampoline?
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 19, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On and on?
He didn’t do that, but yes that is where he mentioned it. To me it didn’t come across as making an excuse for Getz. Why does BB get props for giving his professional analysis of the game but not Stone?
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by cubswynn on Jun 19, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stoney talked about it
for a good five minutes. Got into how the water table is different under wrigley. Bob would have said “the back of the infield is bouncy, and that’s why you gotta adjust”.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 19, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs