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First Pitch Thread: Cubs vs. Indians, Saturday 6/20, 12:05 CT

Cleveland Indians at Chicago Cubs, Jun 20, 2009 12:05 PM CDT


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Ted Lilly doesn't pitch

The ball runs away from his hand in terror.

This line from a movie, television show or other piece of popular culture pretty much sums up my entire personality.

by ScottieG33 on Jun 20, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Greetings from Her Majesties United Kingdom

How about this WINNING? Feels good, doesn’t it?

The day we lose our will to fight - Is the day we lose our Freedom.

by sanantonecub on Jun 20, 2009 12:02 PM CDT reply actions  

It would feel better...

…if we could do some winning sometime before the last at-bat this time.

At least, it would feel better for my blood pressure.

by mistersite on Jun 20, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Concur with that.

But after the past month, I’ll take what we can get.

I’m mad right now – nextdef isn’t working on my mlb.tv so i’m having to put up with a bad “sd” signal.

The day we lose our will to fight - Is the day we lose our Freedom.

by sanantonecub on Jun 20, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Greetings, Em

The day we lose our will to fight - Is the day we lose our Freedom.

by sanantonecub on Jun 20, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Our bullpen phone

Throws a mean check.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 20, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey all

Will be around intermittently today, as I’m working.

GO CUBS!

Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 20, 2009 12:06 PM CDT reply actions  

no need to worry with back to back doubles, we have the 8th inning!

by jesus christos on Jun 20, 2009 12:08 PM CDT reply actions  

oh my

this could be interesting

by tim815 on Jun 20, 2009 12:08 PM CDT reply actions  

is the indians starting pitcher today any good?

by jesus christos on Jun 20, 2009 12:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Tomo Ohka

Not really. He has a 7.30 ERA against the Cubs.

by wallrock on Jun 20, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just joined the game thread

and listening to the radio — does anyone know where Ron is?

If the Cubs were an international soccer team they'd be called Scotland.

by mrtobby on Jun 20, 2009 12:12 PM CDT reply actions  

god bless you

"Live and be happy, beloved children of my heart, and never forget that until the day comes when God will deign to reveal the future to man, all human wisdom is contained in these words: wait and hope!" - The Count of Monte Cristo

by Bricks and Ivy on Jun 20, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

anyone else notice lilly has a different undershirt than the others

by jesus christos on Jun 20, 2009 12:15 PM CDT reply actions  

lee with 3 homers against ohka

muwahaha

by jesus christos on Jun 20, 2009 12:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Prediciting

a big day for Gameboard…. 2 doubles and a homer

by blueballs on Jun 20, 2009 12:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Ah damn

Milton slipped a little on his slide

by Pre on Jun 20, 2009 12:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Doggone it!

"He can't hit, he can't field, he can't run—all he can do is beat you."

by Itchy on Jun 20, 2009 12:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Up comes Lee with a 14 game hitting streak...

and 24 game reaching base streak.

I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...

by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 20, 2009 12:24 PM CDT reply actions  

a mistake.

"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie

by buckmulligan on Jun 20, 2009 12:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Riot would have done the same thing

Baserunning hasn’t been a strength lately.

by Pre on Jun 20, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Definitely needs improvement

There’s a line between aggressive and unwise baserunning, and it seems like they’ve been crossing it too much lately.

by wallrock on Jun 20, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dumb play

Just plain dump. Short bloop to right, good arm, number 5 hitter coming to bat. Just plain dumb.

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -- George Santayana (1863-1952)

by cubfred on Jun 20, 2009 12:25 PM CDT reply actions  

Looked like he expected to reach easily

And got surprised by Quade’s slide sign.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 20, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

so many doubles so little time

by jesus christos on Jun 20, 2009 12:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Dome with the nice catch

runner advances to third, two outs

by Pre on Jun 20, 2009 12:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Lilly's being a good sport

Allowing these Indians to knock the first few to the outfield.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 20, 2009 12:31 PM CDT reply actions  

He wants to give them a chance. Lilly has graciousness and mercy and is forgiving...

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Jun 20, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Blanco looks like a real smart player out there.

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Jun 20, 2009 12:31 PM CDT reply actions  

His defense is pretty stellar

Now if only Lou would start him at SS

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 20, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't we have a shortstop already??

Oh, I forgot.

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Jun 20, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

He'd have to convince Theriot to go to second, then trade Fontenot...

With that said, I’m all for it!

I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...

by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 20, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

With Rami back

Fonty can back Theriot up at 2B.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 20, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

OT: Is there a reason why (according to Ballhawk) the Cubs didn't take BP

today?

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Jun 20, 2009 12:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Long game followed by an early start

And it’s warm out. Lou probably didn’t wanna wear ’em out.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 20, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

it was a long game yesterday

by jesus christos on Jun 20, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe rest them

because of the overtime games they’ve had.

by sue369 on Jun 20, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dome takes 1st with a BB

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 20, 2009 12:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Fontenot

Looks absolutely lost at the plate. I don’t know how many times in the last couple of weeks he has left the plate just shaking his head after another strikeout.

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -- George Santayana (1863-1952)

by cubfred on Jun 20, 2009 12:38 PM CDT reply actions  

I noticed that too.

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Jun 20, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

He needs to sit

He’s still not an everyday player, but Lou still trots him out there 6 out of 7 games.

He should get a breather next weekend vs. the Sox.

"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root

by Clutch16 on Jun 20, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lou

Trots him out there six out of seven games because he has to.

When Ramirez gets back, you will see a domino effect. The question is, who will be the last domino, i.e., sent down or released?

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -- George Santayana (1863-1952)

by cubfred on Jun 20, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Those are nasty pitches.

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Jun 20, 2009 12:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Bob spoke wisdom re: Momentum

“The key to baseball is believing you’re still in it even when the odds are all against you… just like yesterday.” Heed those words well, ledgers ;-)

by Emelie on Jun 20, 2009 12:40 PM CDT reply actions  

george lopez AND john cena? todays going to be a great day

by jesus christos on Jun 20, 2009 12:42 PM CDT reply actions  

I hope!!

"He can't hit, he can't field, he can't run—all he can do is beat you."

by Itchy on Jun 20, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Back for now.

Seems I haven’t missed much.

Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 20, 2009 12:44 PM CDT reply actions  

I liked that wrestler guy--kinda guy I'd like to have a beer with. Am I weird?

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Jun 20, 2009 12:46 PM CDT reply actions  

lilly denied of a possible home run not cool

by jesus christos on Jun 20, 2009 12:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Amen

Get into one, Milton!

"He can't hit, he can't field, he can't run—all he can do is beat you."

by Itchy on Jun 20, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Theriot grounds a hit to center. Now he'll attempt to steal.

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Jun 20, 2009 12:50 PM CDT reply actions  

bradley swings at ball four

by jesus christos on Jun 20, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hiyo Cub Fans, whatza going on

Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton

by KaliCub on Jun 20, 2009 12:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Not much.

The bad guys lead 1-0. But it’s only in the third inning (which just ended), so the Cubs have time to mount another comeback.

Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 20, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe we can get it going before the 8th inning today..hope hope

Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton

by KaliCub on Jun 20, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd like to win a game,

And have it be in something other than walkoff fashion.

Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 20, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll take a win anyway we can get them.

I might have to take some medication, but if they win most games by walkoffs, I’ll take it.

Winning the close ones is something that will prepare them for later in the season.

Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton

by KaliCub on Jun 20, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm with you. A

win is a win and I’ll take it any way they get them.

by sue369 on Jun 20, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's early and we're only down 1-0. I've got the fever.

Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton

by KaliCub on Jun 20, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Can anyone

On this team actually take a 2-0 or 3-1 pitch? Bradley’s pitch was closer to his ankles than his knees, but he still swung at it.

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -- George Santayana (1863-1952)

by cubfred on Jun 20, 2009 12:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Wow. Bradley threw his helmet down as he crossed first base in anger.

Hey, gameboard is passionate—that’s good—but everyone gets an out sometimes.

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Jun 20, 2009 12:55 PM CDT reply actions  

He should have thrown his helmet

He knows he swung at ball four. He stoud absolutely no chance of getting as hit on that pitch. He helped out the pitcher.

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -- George Santayana (1863-1952)

by cubfred on Jun 20, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

He really feels the pressure

He wants to make the city love him.

by Pre on Jun 20, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lets hold'em cubbies!

I missed the start, who’s on w/Pat? and where’s Santo?

by CubfaninRaleigh(869milestoWrigley) on Jun 20, 2009 12:57 PM CDT reply actions  

Choo singles on a bunt ...

And the bunt was around his chin!

Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 20, 2009 12:57 PM CDT reply actions  

bad baserunning and swinging at ball four, what else will he do

by jesus christos on Jun 20, 2009 12:57 PM CDT reply actions  

I actually saw the baserunning play and thought I would have made that attempt, too.

Just didn’t have the correct result.

Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton

by KaliCub on Jun 20, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

with one out

yes, but with two outs you simply cannot go unless you will be safe standing up.

by Ryanocm1 on Jun 20, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, but it wasn't hit hard and I thought he would've made it easy too.

Just a really good throw from Choo. And a bad slide, too.

Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton

by KaliCub on Jun 20, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

You cant go

if youre only going to make it easily if the guy makes a bad throw. Its not like Bradley was strolling in and then fell.

He was out by quite a bit. Really bad baserunning because it doesnt get you anything.

by Ryanocm1 on Jun 20, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Trying my hardest to defend the guy, I'm a fan. :)

It would’ve been closer with a good slide, he kind of just fell. weird. But you have a point with making the last out at third while he’s in scoring position anyway.

I just like to see more aggressiveness on the basepaths with our scoring problems lately. Sometimes being aggressive helps, sometimes it hurts.

Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton

by KaliCub on Jun 20, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like the aggresiveness at well

I think that is a good move, even if he is thrown out, with one out. So to that extent I agree with you.

Sometimes though, you need to play aggressive but with your head.

by Ryanocm1 on Jun 20, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

No

You never make the first or third out at third. It was bad baserunning. There was not that much to be gained at that point by going to third. Risk was too high.

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -- George Santayana (1863-1952)

by cubfred on Jun 20, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

On Choo's hit

Every time I see a pitcher make one of those backhanded flips to first, I think of Scot Eyre doing that on a Rafael Furcal bunt and Derek Lee breaking his wrist because of it. DLEE has never been the same.

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -- George Santayana (1863-1952)

by cubfred on Jun 20, 2009 12:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Look before

and after that. He drove the ball more, hit more with authority, the average was better. It takes a long time to recover from a wrist injury. I am a big DLee fan.

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -- George Santayana (1863-1952)

by cubfred on Jun 20, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think you

just like to complain. It’s all you have done in this thread.

by sue369 on Jun 20, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

No not really

I do like to take a critical approach to the game. I give credit whre credit is due.

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -- George Santayana (1863-1952)

by cubfred on Jun 20, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

You come across

as complaining. It gets old.

by sue369 on Jun 20, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I will add

I think that swing he put on Woody’s pitch yesterday was one of the best I have seen from him in a while.

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. -- George Santayana (1863-1952)

by cubfred on Jun 20, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah. Nice fast swing.

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Jun 20, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Some really bad at bats so far

Fontenot and Hill swung at balls and took strike threes

Milton has to be looking dead red and instead he swings at ball four. With LEE right behind him, and on fire.

Plenty of time of course, but dont like the approach

by Ryanocm1 on Jun 20, 2009 12:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Is it me,

Or was ball one of this at-bat in the strike zone?

I’ve seen several other questionable calls so far in this game.

Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 20, 2009 1:01 PM CDT reply actions  

im liking fontenots defense lately

by jesus christos on Jun 20, 2009 1:03 PM CDT reply actions  

too bad his bat hasnt caught up yet

by jesus christos on Jun 20, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think that's the problem

He hasn’t been focused at the plate, and I think part of it is because he’s had to learn a new infield position.

by Pre on Jun 20, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice!

GIDP! Let’s get some runs!

Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 20, 2009 1:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Lily's pitch count is at 54

He seems to be settling in nicely.
Now let’s get some runs.

by wallrock on Jun 20, 2009 1:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Link fail.

Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 20, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

needs to be in the big box

Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton

by KaliCub on Jun 20, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

He dropped it!

Everybody safe. Very luck, gotta take advantage

by chitownhawkeye on Jun 20, 2009 1:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Screw DeRosa! Get Luis Valbuena!

/sarcasm

Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!

by Cub Style on Jun 20, 2009 1:20 PM CDT reply actions  

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