Gameboard and Warm-up Balls
by WhistlerWilliams on Jun 21, 2009 6:16 PM CDT
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Great day in the bleachers today with wonderful weather and the big sweep. Also, I had a chance to chat with Jessica, which was nice.
Let me start at the beginning for those who are not familiar with this. Between innings, the outfielders warm up with right and center playing catch and the left fielder tossing with someone in the bullpen. Before the inning starts, the fielder tosses the ball into the stands as a souvenir. At every previous game I have attended (with an exception I will discuss below) the right and center fielders take turns throwing the ball to the fans. Today, Fukadome tossed the ball into the stands all nine innings while Bradley never did. Has this been going on all year?
The exception was Jacque Jones. On top of his rocky reception by fans, a woman tossed a ball near or at him (depending on the story) during one night game in 2006. After that he stopped tossing the ball to fans and Juan Pierre want along; they threw the ball to the bullpen after they were done warming up.
On other note: I saw Jones in spring training after that year and asked if he would be tossing balls to fans in the upcoming year. He said; "It's a new year; let's see" and he did until he was traded later in 2007.
WhistlerWilliams
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What are you confused about??
To answer the original posters question… I’ve sat in the bleachers twice this year, right-center both times, and Bradley tossed some balls up.
This just feels like a strange thing to "worry" about
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
Where did he say he was worrying about it?
He’s merely asking if Bradley, for some reason, doesn’t ever throw the ball into the stands. It’s pretty straight forward, or at least it is to me.
Read to me like
he’s saying Bradley must have some issue with the fans like Jones did to not throw the ball up today.
Just seems like a strange thing to notice or care enough about to blog about, to me… thats all.
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
You don't even talk about Bradley in the post,
so I’m confused as to why it’s title involves gameboard.
Bradely played right field in today's game
but, I edited that in so no one else will be confused.
WhistlerWilliams
by WhistlerWilliams on Jun 21, 2009 9:09 PM CDT reply actions
toss enough quarters
and you’ll have runs of heads in a row and tails in a row. The ball’s just ended up with Dome every time this game.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
Not true
Have you ever watched a game in the right or right center bleachers? I have been there nearly 100 times and have never seen anything but the fielders taking turns; I have never once seen the same fielder have the ball at the end of warm-ups two innings in a row until today.
WhistlerWilliams
by WhistlerWilliams on Jun 21, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Okay. And?
Why does this matter… at all?
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
why are you taking the time to read posts and comments
and even respond with more posts, regarding a subject that you dont care about and you feel is not worthy of discussion?!?!
weird
See ya
Ballgame…again.
by krummy12 on Jun 18, 2009 3:57 PM EDT [down 3-1 in the SEVENTH INNING vs. Sox -- Cubs win 6-5 in the 9th]
Nice
And the fool’s gold lasts approximately 23 hours. Not a good team. Not even close.
by krummy12 on Jun 19, 2009 4:25 PM EDT [down 6-0 in the THIRD INNING vs. Cle - Cubs win 8-7 in the 10th]
B/c the headline got my attention
and now I’m just curious.
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
I've been in the right field bleachers a few times.
I can’t really say as I noticed.
But so what, even if it is true?
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 21, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions
It matters because it shows Bradley is a baby
if he believes he’s too good to throw balls into the stands. If this is true, they I think it shows a bad side of his character.
I believe Bradley wants to win just as much as anyone else. I understand if he’s pissed about the fans reaction, but he could always find a kid to throw it to.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
he’s making sure he’s avoiding a situation where someone would throw a ball back at him.
I think that’s a fairly mature way of making sure he doesn’t get into it with the fans till they realize how valuable Bradley really is.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 22, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Disagree.
He should understand why the fans are upset with him. If he wants to avoid “getting into it with fans,” he could take my advice and throw it to a kid. Be the bigger man. Realize you made an incredibly stupid mistake after already being on thin ice.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
Well
setting aside the fact that he’s not on thin ice and shouldn’t be considered as such, I’m relatively certain that Milton Bradley knows that the fans were upset with him over the botched second out. He gets them back by excellent play — like yesterday — instead of throwing balls into the stands.
I’m pretty sure he gets to make that decision, too.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 22, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Okay that's exactly it.
He shouldn’t need to “get back” at the fans. He needs to understand that fans pay their hard earned money to essentially pay his salary. He needs to be a professional, swallow his pride, and play nice with the fans. Not throwing warm up balls into the stands is a bad way to get back into their good graces. It doesn’t help the situation one bit.
And yes he is on thin ice with many fans. Like it or not, that is an undeniable fact.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
Or
maybe he took the day off from throwing the ball into the stands solely to make you wonder.
Why does it have to have some kind of meaning?
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
Okay sorry.
My comments were under the assumption that IF he had made a decision to discontinue it because a rift with the fans. Of course if it was just a one day thing, I could care less. Make sense?
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
Good lord
He’s not “getting back” at the fans. He’s not preventing a ball from getting thrown into the stands – whether he does it or Fukudome does it a ball still ends up in the hands of a fan.
He’s simply doing his best to avoid creating an incident by simply letting the non-controversial Fukudome be the one to perform a meaningless token gesture.
Don’t try to turn this into some “Won’t Milton Bradley please think of the children!!!!!” bs – this is probably just him doing the right thing and avoiding a potentially inflammatory situation.
Not that it matters – if he was throwing the balls into the stands and people were throwing them back you’d probably be posting about how immature he was for continuing to egg them on. It doesn’t matter what he does, fans like you will always find a way to frame it in a negative light.
by Wreckard on Jun 22, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
Rec'd. There are probably 1 million possible explanations for why Gameboard didn't throw any balls into the stands on this particular day.
I will never understand why people immediately assume that of those million possible explanations, the correct one must be something sinister or nefarious. If you want to criticize Milton for something legitimate — like throwing a ball in the stands when he ISN’T supposed to — fine, do so. That’s completely legitimate. But posts like this are idiocy, nothing more.
by Orval Overall on Jun 22, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Haha clearly you know what kind of fan I am.
See my explaination above.
And I stand by what I say if he’s making a decision to “get back at the fans” by refusing to throw warm up balls into the stands. He made an idiotic play. The fans boo’ed him and threw back his ball. BFD, get over it.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
Please explain how this is getting back at the fans
in any way shape or form
He’s not throwing the ball into the garbage rather than giving it to children, he’s letting a player who is not him do it. The fans are still getting their souvenir.
Who specifically is suffering here, other than unfortunate people reading your posts?
won't you think
of the children whose parents are rich enough to buy them seats in right field? :P
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 22, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Last time I sat in the bleachers there was a very nuanced case being made
Something to the effect of, “Right field sucks!”
It was repeated many times over the course of the game by many an upstanding gentlemen in left, so I assume it must be true. I don’t see why Milton Bradley should be blamed for something everyone in left field seems to know as common knowledge.
Ease up there trigger.
My post had absolutely nothing to do with anything you typed. It was a throwaway joke about the “Left Field Sucks! Right Field Sucks!” thing that goes on in the bleachers.
I can draw you a diagram if that would help, since this isn’t the first time in this thread you’ve jumped to silly conclusions after misreading something.
That's fine
but it doesn’t change the fact that your “joke” was pretty lame.
Here’s another conclusion. You are little punk in the real world that feels empowered to talk big and tough from behind a keyboard.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
Where am I talking big or tough?
You’re getting awfully defensive over a dumb thread that is entirely the result of you misunderstanding something that I wrote and jumping to a conclusion about it, then misunderstanding another thing I wrote and jumping to a conclusion about that.
If I can’t even make a bad joke without you assuming I’m making fun of you I guess I’m not sure what I can do to win your heart and mind here.
You are little punk in the real world
Ok, guilty as charged. I am in fact 4 feet tall with multiple piercings and a mohawk.
Admit it though – you only know this because you’ve seen me post on TinySexPistolsFans.com.
This whole thing started
because I misunderstood what the original poster said, not you.
Move on. Get over it. Let it go. Can I give you any more clichés to get you to realize I’m over it?
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
I guess it was hard to tell you were over it
…when you were calling me a little punk (which as I said is literally true, so that’s no big deal).
Glad to hear we’re back on the same page of pretending not to care.
Wow sounds like someone else is getting very defensive.
Seriously though, this is dumb at this point. Consider this my last response. You win.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
Okay I have to admit I read this post wrong.
When I read it for whatever reason I imagined he was just throwing the balls into the dugout, rather than letting the fans have a souvenir. I made a mistake.
As for your personal attacks thanks for those. Clearly that makes things better.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
not "get back at the fans"
Get the fans back on his side.
And yes he is on thin ice with many fans. Like it or not, that is an undeniable fact.
He doesn’t work for them. He works for the Cubs.
He should continue to play good baseball. Period.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 22, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
You forgot the "...on his side" the first time.
So that makes more sense.
Talking about who he works for is really splitting hairs. No fans = no Cubs = equals no paycheck for MB from the Cubs. It’s a moot point.
I guess my original point is IF this is decision he’s made because of a rift with the fans, then that’s not smart on his part. It’s only going to make things worse.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
I -still-
disagree with that. By not engaging with the worst, he’s keeping his attention on the game, and his temper in check.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 22, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
See above, I read the post wrong.
My bad. I thought he was simply throwing the ball back into the infield.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
Don't feel bad. You're not the first person who automatically
jumped to the conclusion that these highly-paid athletes are a bunch of bums who want to screw the fans and you won’t be the last.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 22, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank you.
Wow the reaction I got you would have thought I said Sandberg used PED’s.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
alright.
I had to think about it as well. The left fielder warms up with the bullpen catcher. The center & right fielders warm up with each-other. Only one of them has the ball at any given time.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 22, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Right.
And I still stand behind the idea that he refuses to be the one to throw the ball into the stands, that doesn’t help the tense situation between him and the RF bleacher bums. But of course that’s making an assumption…
n/t
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
well, ok. I don’t know how we can know Bradley’s motivation, if there even is one.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 22, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
heh
nothing about making an assumption makes sense. :P
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 22, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
He does work for the fans.
How many times do we have to hear that baseball, as well as all other professional sports, are a form of “entertainment”.
If Bradley wants to be a jag and not throw the ball into the crowd, that certainly reduces his entertainment value. And since the fans pay for the entertainment, he owes them something more. Period.
The guy is behaving like a child. Perfume the pig all you want, but he thinks he’s getting even with the fans by not throwing a ball into the crowd.
"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." ~ Frank Sinatra
Also, I hear he's mean to puppies.
Read it on a blog somewhere.
by Orval Overall on Jun 22, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Good one
And then you would tell us how the puppies asked for it.
WhistlerWilliams
by WhistlerWilliams on Jun 23, 2009 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions
It's my understanding hat the ball gets thrown into
the crowd. Does it make any difference who throws the ball in the crowd? Do you really care that he doesn’t throw it? Does that change the makeup of the ball? Does the ball magically transform into something else because he doesn’t throw it? Do you think it matters to the person who catches the ball? Seriously?
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 23, 2009 7:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't sit in RF.......
………so I really don’t care. But if I did sit there, I’d anticipate a ball coming to my section every other inning. That doesn’t happen because MB is a tool.
It’s the same mentality and actions exhibited by Jacque Jones and you see what that did for him……..
"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." ~ Frank Sinatra
Why is this such a deal?
a) no one’s said anything about this being a recurring issue and b) the ball still got thrown into the stands by dome.
wtf?
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
by Allie on Jun 23, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with this.
A huge big deal made about nothing.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
It's been a recurring issue........
……..roughly since June 12th.
"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." ~ Frank Sinatra
eight whole games, huh?
it’s a SCANDAL!
o.0
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 24, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Never said it was a scandal.
But as usual, you attempt to put words into the mouths of others.
You’re wrong even when you’re not the one being addressed in these posts. There’s something to be said for consistency.
"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." ~ Frank Sinatra
Well if you don't sit there, why the hell are you making such
a big deal of it. I haven’t see any other post calling him a tool. That was your deal. No one is entitled to a ball from a player. That is a courtesy by the player. If he decides not to throw it, it doesn’t make him any less of a person. Anticipate a ball? Give me a break.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 23, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
I bet he's given a crap
between innings.
See what I did there? Crap? Between innings? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAA!
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 23, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
rumor has it
that this is the toilet off the dugout.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 23, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
It makes no difference to me.
In fact, 10 years ago no one was throwing a ball into the stands, but it’s now the popular, “fan friendly” thing to do.
So back to the “entertainment business” that is MLB, it strikes me that MB is not holding up his end of the bargain. That’s all I’m saying.
"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." ~ Frank Sinatra
BS.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 24, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions
you know
every time I go to a game in the bleachers, I sit with Al, near the left-field foul pole.
Soriano always throws the ball into the left-field bleachers. Wanna know how many times the ball has been less than even 75 feet from me?
Never.
The bleachers are big, and it’s ONE BASEBALL.
This whole post is an exercise in wankery.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 23, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
I can elaborate on that.
I have been in the LF corner section for 3 1/2 years — that’s about 270 games.
Know how many times the ball has been anywhere within 75 feet of me?
Zero.
I won’t be as, um, direct as Drew, just will say again that this is making a big deal out of nothing.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Actually, Al..........
………..during your days in RF, Moises did a better job than Soriano of “distributing” in LF. While your seats didn’t exist during his tenure, I suspect Alou would have made it to your current neck of the woods if he were playing at Wrigley today.
"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." ~ Frank Sinatra
That's a much longer throw than you think it is.
Closest anyone’s come is about four rows down, and in the section over.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
based on what
secret knowledge that you have?
Are you his psychologist?
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 23, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Do you have a better explanation?
"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." ~ Frank Sinatra
yes
my explanation is that it doesn’t freakin’ matter, and stop trying to find ways to dislike the man.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 24, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions
Be sure to get others...........
…………to join your MB fan club. Looks like his stock is on the rise.
Your passion is great it’s simply too bad that it’s generally misguided.
"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." ~ Frank Sinatra
Oh come on.
Really, who’s being the baby here?
by Orval Overall on Jun 22, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Double Yawn.
Friends, I thought we were past this, no? I don’t have the energy to respond again, so here’s a link to my thoughts instead: <http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2009/6/10/904956/a-little-less-talk-and-a-lot-more#16803525>
It's because of ball-in-the-stands-gate
Or whatever you want to call it, that infamous day that will live in infamy when Bradley selfishly threw the game ball into the stands when there were only 2 outs.
Later in that game, he threw a warm-up ball into the stands and the fan in the bleachers threw the ball back.
But if you want to believe he’s not doing it because he’s a selfish angry man then I guess more power to you.
This is a recent development..........
……….coinciding, I’m sure, with the “incident” and Bradley’s relatively overall poor play.
At the start of the season, Bradley was indeed chucking a practice ball into the stands, sharing the half-innings with the center fielder. That has changed over the past few weeks and I’m sure it is because the RF crowd has started to ride him.
"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." ~ Frank Sinatra
My Question
My original post, styled as a question, was in fact a question. I know what I saw yesterday but did not know if it is part of a pattern. I do not know and am not saying that Bradley’s actions (if a pattern) are an attempt to put it in the face of the fans. There is links on whether this may be the case.
and .
I referenced Jacque Jones’ actions. If someone sees an implication that I think his actions were wrong, they would be correct. I see the other side, that a baseball player is signed only to play baseball, but disagree with that. Further, putting it in the fans’ face reflects extremely poor judgment by the player if that is what he is doing. A player will have an easier time and probably will do better with the fans on his side.
I generally am a fan of Gameboard and do not like the generally negative tone of posts about him here. I am glad he has vocal defenders. Still, I do not find the Bradly-can-do-no-wrong camp to have any more credibility that the Bradley-can-do-no-right camp.
I will continue cheering on Gameboard and the rest of the team this week in Detroit and hope to see you all there.
Peace! WhistlerWilliams
by WhistlerWilliams on Jun 22, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
links did not come through
Tried the link function but will now just cut and paste
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2009/6/21/920019/milton-bradley-and-right-field
http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/milton_bradley_to_give?utm_source=a-section
by WhistlerWilliams on Jun 22, 2009 4:33 PM CDT reply actions
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