Lyon, Tigers Beat Fox, Cubs: Oh, My! Cubs Get Swept Out Of Detroit 6-5
by Al on Jun 25, 2009 3:26 PM CDT
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Yes, I know I was asked to keep bad puns out of headlines, and Brandon Lyon was hardly the biggest reason the Tigers beat the Cubs 6-5 this afternoon (he threw one scoreless inning in relief), but I'm kind of in a mood to lighten up the atmosphere around here after the Cubs suffer a reversal of their sweep of the Indians over the weekend.
The sweep at the hands of the Tigers, who have won seven in a row, puts the Cubs back a game under .500 heading into their final interleague series of the year at the Cell this weekend. The Cubs' interleague record for 2009 stands at 5-6. They aren't alone, either, in the NL Central -- only the Cardinals, at 8-4, have a winning interleague record.
Congratulations to Jake Fox for hitting his first major league home run in the first inning with two men on base. I hope that's the first of many. It should have made today a no-brainer for Ted Lilly, who's been the Cubs' most consistent starter all year. Unfortunately, Theodore Roosevelt decided to choose today to get his own home run pitch out of mothballs, giving up a pair of two-run shots to Ramon Santiago and Magglio Ordonez -- Maggs hadn't hit one in two months. Maybe it was the haircut.
Kevin Hart did a decent job in relief today, though after a pair of walks Lou was forced to summon Sean Marshall to end the inning and attempt to keep the game close. Not long after the last out, large thunderstorms plowed through the Detroit area, too. It would have been interesting had the Cubs tied the game and then the rain came -- the game would have had to be suspended. Oh, well.
Fortunately for the Cubs, the Cardinals lost their second straight to the Mets today, 3-2, so the Cubs remain only 3.5 games out of first place, and still only one down in the loss column. I remind all of you that on June 21, 2007, after losing to the Rangers 6-5 -- a road interleague game started, coincidentally, by Ted Lilly -- the Cubs stood 32-39, 8.5 games out of first place. (Have a look at who hit sixth, seventh and eighth that day, too.) Two other teams who seemed far out of contention on that date, June 21, 2007 -- the Yankees, who were 35-35, and the Phillies, 37-35 -- both made the playoffs in 2007.
Just looking at that June 21 date in other recent years gives us the idea that positions now can have little to do with final standings -- in 2005, Baltimore (42-28) and Washington (41-30) were in first place on that date. Neither came anywhere near the postseason -- the Nats finished at .500 and the Orioles lost 88 games. How about June 21, 2004? The Braves on that date were 32-36, in fourth place. They won 90 games and a division title. (The Cubs, on that date the wild card leader at 39-30... well, you know what happened to that team.)
The point is, there are still 93 games remaining -- more than half the season. The Cubs stand only 3.5 games out in a mediocre division. (Today, the Cardinals managed to get two men on base against Francisco Rodriguez in the bottom of the ninth, trailing by one, and still couldn't score.) This division is eminently winnable. But the Cubs need another bat -- and not just Aramis Ramirez's bat, but another one still. Despite Lilly's rough outing today, the starting pitching has still been very good.
In addition to that, the Cubs still have 19 games remaining against the two teams now ahead of them, and 23 left against the three clubs (the Pirates, Diamondbacks and Nationals) currently in last place in their divisions. Start it this weekend against the White Sox. This season is not over. Keep the faith.
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You're talking about the 2007 game?
Or today?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 25, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding.
Rob Bowen catching? I’d almost forgotten about him.
"You have to have short-term memory, no matter who you are in this game. There's always tomorrow." ~Derrek Lee
by Goodie1969 on Jun 25, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
An interleague game
with AL rules and we have Darryle Ward hittiing 4th? That was hideous
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jun 25, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you know, when Rami went down with the injury, a lot of people said “just tread water till he gets back.”
Amazingly enough, that’s what we’re doing.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 25, 2009 3:35 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
The Cubs lost the game on May 8, when A-Ram went down.
After that game they were 16-13, 2.5 games out.
Since that day they have gone 18-22, but have lost only one game in the standings.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 25, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One game difference
Either way this team is not playing near their ability or the passion needed to make the playoffs.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
"Yeah, Moe, that team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I’ve seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked!" - Homer
by propheteer on Jun 25, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As of now, you are correct.
There is still time to change that.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 25, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes fortunately so
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
"Yeah, Moe, that team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I’ve seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked!" - Homer
by propheteer on Jun 25, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hope this treading...
Doesn’t turn into sinking. We have 7 huge games coming up in July against Milwaukee and St. Louis.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 25, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eight, actually.
The 4/19 rainout is being made up on July 12.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 25, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're the eternal optimist
God bless you Drew.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jun 25, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't forget
tiny Tim. But enough about Fontenot…
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 25, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As another has said
that’s the type of year this is going to be. Win 3, lose 4, Win 3, lose 3. It’s a .500 club.
The return of A-Ram won’t make a bit of difference.
It’s just going to be one of those years. It won’t be as bad as past years, but it won’t be a winning year.
It’s time to realize this.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jun 25, 2009 3:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Considering how they responded...
…after winning 4 straight, it’s looking more and more like you may be right.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Jun 25, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not one of the optimists around here
But, frankly, I think it’s pretty pointless to predict whether they’ll get their acts together or whether they’ll fall out of contention. This team is pretty hard to figure.
by elgato on Jun 25, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed 100% here
This team has me shooting expletives more than ever. And it’s because you never know what you’re going to get from anybody. Yes I thought about Forrest Gump when I said that.
by EamuCanoli on Jun 25, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus when a player comes back from injury,
it takes awhile for the team to gel with that player back in the lineup. I think many here are wanting Aram to come back and just flip a switch and be the same hitter he was. And that will take time even if he comes back all the way to be the hitter he was.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
by KaliCub on Jun 25, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As negative as I can be.....
The starting pitching is TOO good and the division TOO weak…to think the Cubs can’t compete…They are 1 back in the loss column…..they neeed to HIT in RISP situations….(and a closer and a near LH Marmol)…..
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
by kcjones on Jun 26, 2009 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Hart loaded the bases with walks and hits...
That’s not decent…that’s just in line with the mediocrity of our middle relief. Welcome to the big leagues again Kevin. Now book your return flight back to the minors and enjoy the clubhouse food for a few days.
by EamuCanoli on Jun 25, 2009 3:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Hart stinks,
he is a AAA pitcher at best and I’m being generous.
Drive, Monkey Drive!
by VegasCubFan on Jun 25, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why wasn't Stevens called up?
We all know Kevin Hart sucks.
by dr stabbingworth on Jun 26, 2009 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jim had to see just one more time if Hart was indeed not a major league pitcher
because the other times he’s been awful weren’t convincing enough
by WanderingWanderer on Jun 26, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he's being showcased.
He hasn’t been quite as bad this year as last.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 26, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He hasn't given up as many runs, but his WHIP is pretty close to last year
by WanderingWanderer on Jun 26, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suspect he may get more chances.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 26, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the Cardinals defense
both runners reached with two outs (Pujols and Ludwick walked), then lined out to left to end the game. Not that I won’t take it, just saying.
by Gurbal on Jun 25, 2009 3:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
losing is losing
and that’s exactly the sort of clutch hitting we’re not getting either.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 25, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the point is
good at-bats will eventually turn into clutch hits
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jun 25, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
in theory, that will start happening for us, too.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 25, 2009 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's got to right?
But this has been going on for nearly half the season
by Mapmaker on Jun 25, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know
but… everybody hurts sometimes,
Everybody cries. And everybody hurts sometimes
And everybody hurts sometimes. So, hold on, hold on
Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 25, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you bet.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 25, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
REM would be fitting
since they play like they’re asleep.
"Any old kind of a run wins it!"--Jack Brickhouse
by mattvegas on Jun 25, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
everyone poops
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Jun 25, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't seen the good at-bats
If we were lining out, hitting 399-foot fly-outs after seeing 10 pitches, or forcing the infielders to make superb plays, I’d be more inclined to optimism.
Lilly gave up the lead and the hitters then proceeded to have an 8-pitch inning. Unacceptable
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jun 25, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you watch yesterday?
Plenty of deep hits that might have been out elsewhere.
Its unfortunate that just as the bats pick up, the pitching stops throwing down two run games. Ugh.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jun 25, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they've been happening.
I dunno if they happened today, but they’ve been happening. Comerica Park is a cavern.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 25, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
If they start having good at-bats
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 25, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The cubs .219 RISP batting AVE...is WORST in the majors....
What eelse needs to be said….this is a what 150+ million payroll???
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
by kcjones on Jun 26, 2009 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i love it
I love the optimism of some of the folks on this board. Its tough to be optimistic and I value your different outlook to help talk me off the ledge. i had been thinking of auctioning off my love for the cubs on ebay to any baseball team willing to take it. LOL, JK obviously.
Not kidding about being thankful for those of you who level us with your optimism. you guys are great.
Hey, Hey! Hey, Hey! Hey, Hey!
by TheCubsGuy on Jun 25, 2009 3:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They are 1 back in the loss column...
AND…
The cubs .219 RISP batting AVE…is WORST in the majors…. What else needs to be said….this is a what 150+ million payroll???
A couple key hits (see DeRosa)……and a closer…(see game 1 of detroit series)…..and they are running away eith this division “as is”….
Hypothetically…..say a closer closes say 2 more games…and a clutch hitter wins wo more games….where are the cubs in the central????
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
by kcjones on Jun 26, 2009 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Second base
If I’m Jim Hendry, I’m moving heaven and earth right now to find someone who can do anything offensively at second (not necessarily DeRo).
The Fontenot experiment, IMO, has been a big failure. I don’t buy the argument that LBR would have been fine if he hadn’t had to play third.
by elgato on Jun 25, 2009 3:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Fontenot appears to be a platoon hitter.
He can’t hit lefties at all. Maybe as more of a part-time player he’d return at least to past levels of success.
by aldimond on Jun 25, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
if he hadn’t had to play third, he would have been in more of a platoon situation with either Miles or Blanco. Instead, he’s had to play a lot more than he would have, even with taking the lion’s share of the PAs at 2nd over Miles/Blanco.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 25, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"a lot more"?
I disagree with that. Blanco wasn’t even with the club when the season started, and probably wouldn’t be on it now if Ramirez was healthy. And given Miles’ lack of ability, I think LBR would be playing just about every day.
by elgato on Jun 25, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the whole point of the platoon
was that Miles would face LH pitchers, Fonty RH pitchers. That would have gotten him much more regular rest. But instead, he had to pick up a new position, play almost all of the games, and watch Miles mis-field ball after ball at his old position.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 25, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many games
has he had to start against lefties? I honestly don’t know the answer.
by elgato on Jun 25, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has something like 40 PA against LHP this year.
He’s hitting awful against them. IIRC from Baseball Reference his OPS+ (I don’t think OPS+ is an end-all be-all, but it’s sufficient for this purpose — 100 is average, 200 is god-like, 0 is worse than most pitchers) against lefties this year is about 15. For his career it’s about 50, in just a handful more PAs.
by aldimond on Jun 25, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fontenot
needs to sit for now. Blanco is better defensively and his bat is that much worse. Fox starts at 3B regularly.
offen$e plea$e wake up
by lexmarklover on Jun 25, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+2
Fox has proven himself at 3rd for now. Move Fontento back to 2nd and platoon him with Miles as they had originally intended.
by dr stabbingworth on Jun 26, 2009 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ugh! That's still a giant black hole of offense at second base
by WanderingWanderer on Jun 26, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better than a black hole at both 2nd and 3rd
You have to make do with what you’ve got.
by dr stabbingworth on Jun 26, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, I'd just rather see "what we got" changed to something
that doesn’t make me cringe
by WanderingWanderer on Jun 26, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if i'm Jim...
I’d quite worrying about what my manager says about RH and LH and just go find some good HITTERS
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
by kcjones on Jun 26, 2009 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This loss was hard to hear on radio and
sweeps are always tough.
Over three games, on the road, to a tough AL team, the Cubs scored runs and were in these games, leading these games, and chances to tie or win at the last out.
I’m not happy or excited, but it’s not like they lost 8-0 three games in a row. Time for the team to sleep at home and play a team not playing anywhere near as well as the Tigers.
As for treading water, I don’t know how, but they are still on the surface.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Jun 25, 2009 3:51 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
+1 and rec'd.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jun 25, 2009 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was even harder to WATCH in person in 93 degree heat & sun and
after seeing both the Tuesday and Wednesday losses first hand. I’ll say this: Cubs fans are the MOST resilient fans on the face of the planet. Even after yesterday’s loss, they still tried to be as upbeat as we could as we all filed up from our seats to the concourse.
And as a Tiger’s fan too, I was ashamed of the way Detroit fans were verbally harassing Cubs fans. At one point, I stopped, turned around and said to one loudmouth: "Maybe you could show just a little class- you know, just a LITTLE (holding my thumb and index finger about an inch apart).
The guy seemed taken aback and actually looked sheepish.
Go Green! Go White! GO STATE!
King Leonidas: Spartans! What is your profession?
Spartans: HA-OOH! HA-OOH! HA-OOH!
by Zeke on Jun 26, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree..
i was at all 3 games as well…..and despite standing quietly with my son outside the park across the street, waiting to meet someone to drive them home….again, NOT SAYING ANYTHING….MANY PEOPLE took shots at us in our Cub shirts after the Tuesday night walkoff. Show some class a-holes. You just won the game in a walkoff.
by jimvanders on Jun 26, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
aaron miles got hurt during BP
rejoice!
by jesus christos on Jun 25, 2009 3:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Okay, I don't like the guy on the team at all.
But can we not rejoice when he gets hurt. I think that is out of line.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
by KaliCub on Jun 25, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't want to put bad karma in the air
I Never cheer for anyone hurt, in another post I used Ryan Braun as an example. SInce he is my least favorite MLB player right now. That even him I don’t wish bad things on.
by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 25, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish I could say the same. He's a douche
by Mapmaker on Jun 25, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He hasn't played well for the cubs this season, sure...
… but provide evidence of his douchy-ness. I think you may be confusing him for Freel.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jun 25, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Believe Mapmaker was talking about Braun.
by aldimond on Jun 25, 2009 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, touche.
Still, don’t root for bad things to happen to people. That just ain’t right.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jun 25, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what a tool. funny how brewers announcers
get mad when the Cubs “cadillac” around the bases after they hit a HR, but they never mention it when Braun stares at the ball for 10 seconds and then proceeds to walk around.
offen$e plea$e wake up
by lexmarklover on Jun 25, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kettle, meet pot.
We talk about Braun show-boating so much you’d think he was hitting homers against us every day. There are many people that celebrate their accomplishments in ways that their opponents don’t like. Big deal.
by aldimond on Jun 25, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ask for his departure just don't be glad when someone gets hurt.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
by KaliCub on Jun 25, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you in the bathroom again???
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
by kcjones on Jun 26, 2009 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't wish for him to not be hurt.
I just wish for him to not be in the lineup.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 25, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish he was still with the Cardinals
by elgato on Jun 25, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1,000,000,000,000
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
by kcjones on Jun 26, 2009 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
:(
this sucks
offen$e plea$e wake up
by lexmarklover on Jun 25, 2009 3:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Brewers lose
Damn this would have been a good day to GAIN SOME GROUND.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 25, 2009 3:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ahh, you have good news again.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Jun 25, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I should also mention, the Soto report bothers me more than this loss.
Happy to read MLB won’t take action, not that I understand why not.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Jun 25, 2009 3:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't the story fit into the out of shape/lazy offseason that Soto had?
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
by KaliCub on Jun 25, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+420
I’m really surprised at the lack of outrage and discipline. I for one, would’ve been fired from my desk job if tested positive. I don’t understand the lack of punishment from either the Cubs or the League.
I was pretty down on GeoBarney this season, now I would really like a trade.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jun 25, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
its ok to smoke weed but not ok to have coincidental contact with an ump
by jesus christos on Jun 25, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone know if pot is a substance that gets an automatic suspension ?
I don’t think so. I think that is limited to PEDs. I think it is one of those things you get a warning for but the commish can use his powers to dump you if it happens again. Personally I can’t get very excited or upset about it. I have never been a pot smoker but I am in the minority of the friends I grew up with and I don’t see smoking it once in a while as any worse than drinking. I know it is illegal but players are not suspended for a DUI or other minor legal offenses.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 25, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, my views on legalization are pretty liberal, but
he’s a professional athlete and being drug tested and should show some character by abstaining.
Alchohol is legal, but many employers don’t allow employees to drink while on company business.
I’m very dissapointed in Geo, moreso because of this news combined with the fact he hasn’t been a factor this year.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Jun 25, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how do you know
he was using while on company business?
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 25, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trying to come up with an analogy.
He was tested during an MLB event and tested positive. Wasn’t implying he was toking while playing cards with Farnsworth in the locker room.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Jun 26, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is banned
And pretty much everyone I know uses. I have no problem with them or “it.” But GeoBarney “is” a “role model” and what not. And considering MLB’s stance on drugs nowadays, it really bums me they didn’t make an example of him, a la Manny.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jun 25, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What the hell are they supposed to do?
He smoked weed. Let’s ban him!
by Pre on Jun 25, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
The rule says so.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jun 25, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So is the rule that says you have to drive 65 on the Interstates and many others
I hate to be a stickler for something so trivial, but I despise when “stars” get away with crap us mortals would suffer for.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jun 25, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He violated the WBC test, it was not a test administered by MLB.
It’s not a big deal. It was dumb on his part if he knew he would be tested when he got to the WBC. He’s not getting away with anything and it’s no up to him to be a “role model,” that’s up to parents.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jun 25, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You do bring up a good point
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jun 25, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understood it was banned
I just don’t think it is the class of drugs that gets an automatic suspension. On the role model scale again I can’t get that upset considering the much of idiotic but legal behavior by many players. Didn’t seem to harm Tug McGraw or Bill Lee any.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 25, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
in geos defense, peer pressure is a female dog
by jesus christos on Jun 25, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im not that upset about
the reefer part of it, look, Michael Phelps can hit the bong and still get gold medals. What pisses me off is he didn’t do what Phelps obviously did by abstaining from the after effects of the weed: sitting on your ass on the couch downing a bag of doritos.
by adam316 on Jun 25, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely......
He shoullda hit the weight room…….!!!!!!!!!
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
by kcjones on Jun 26, 2009 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its not even tested for regularly, as it is not a PED.
It is only tested for on occasion (which is why he was caught at the WBC, likely) and for players under suspicion.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jun 25, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoooppppeeeee....
KH and many (many) 80’s players were a bunch of known “cokeheads”……which might actually be a PEH……….but the reason for all the laxness is Fehr and that generation of players insisstance on “no testing”……..
Drugs are OVERATED….as a high … AND a PEH…
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
by kcjones on Jun 26, 2009 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh jeez. Seriously, hold the outrage.
Look, illegal is illegal and the rules are the rules, i get it. But the fact is, it is a harmless drug that in terms of damage to your mind and body, is no worse for you than booze or cigs. The reasons for its illegal status are political, historical, and societal, pure and simple.
We aren’t talking about meth here. Many wildly successful athletes (Phelps being the easiest to point out) no doubt dabble, as well as many of our greatest minds. In some more liberal places it’s been decriminalized (those caught with it outside Fenway before a recent Phish concert i attended were issued $100 citations, no worse than a parking ticket) and furthermore, in Cali its prescribed for a variety of illnesses as a safer (i.e. less side effects) and less expensive alternative to prescription meds. Many governments, local and state, have even considered legalizing and taxing it of late.
The fact is, the league and the Cubs aren’t worried. In fact, its not even a big enough deal to regularly test for, as this ESPN article states:
The MLB does not regularly test for marijuana since it’s not considered a performance-enhancing drug, according to a players’ association spokesman interviewed by Levine.
If dude was rolling in to games blazed out of his mind, giggling uncontrollably with a bag of Cheetos in his hand, that’s a problem. Other than that, get off your high horse. It’ll be legal in my lifetime, is legal in many other more progressive countries around the world, and if used responsibly (much like the aforementioned booze), is of no harm whatsoever.
I will now climb off my soap box and go smoke a bowl.
Also, RIP MJ.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jun 25, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I get it and if Geo had batted
.250/.325 so far this season, I probably wouldn’t be tweaked at all. As I said above, my irritation, not outrage, has more to do with this coming on the heals of his crappy start to the season.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Jun 26, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, Kaplan
is bringing the fire today. I love it.
by hmlee on Jun 25, 2009 4:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
joy to listen to
offen$e plea$e wake up
by lexmarklover on Jun 25, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another Downer
DLee’s hitting streak ended today, 0 for 4.
by JFCubFan on Jun 25, 2009 4:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
cubs SUCK
I have been a cub fan 60 years and I say as of today,make a deal for Dero and put the heart back in this body and consider getting rid of sweet lou,,,no fire left BURNT OUT
by Larki40 on Jun 25, 2009 4:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I dunno, rumor is Geo has spark.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
by N Oakley on Jun 25, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks to RBI Jesus, the Indians are a historic 73-0.
by Pre on Jun 25, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, that would be the 1940 NFL Championship Game
Da Bears defeated the Washington Redskins, 73-0.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jun 25, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT-670 AM needs to get another Cub fan as a host
I wasn’t a big Mike Murphy fan but that station is all Sox now.
by Mapmaker on Jun 25, 2009 4:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cubs can't get a break. even up 3-0, Cubs best pitcher blows it.
sign what more can go wrong.
offen$e plea$e wake up
by lexmarklover on Jun 25, 2009 4:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The beat goes on
Cubs RISP 1-6
Tigers RISP 5-10
If you like Selig's handling of the steroid issue, you'll love his choice for next Cub owner.
by tharr on Jun 25, 2009 4:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Those left handed bats are really helping us score runs this year, aren't they? ;)
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by BigJohnAZ on Jun 25, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Big Jim really outsmarted himself this time.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
"Yeah, Moe, that team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I’ve seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked!" - Homer
by propheteer on Jun 25, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No,
he outstupided himself
Linus: Life is rarely all one way, Charlie Brown. You win some, you lose some. Charlie Brown: Really? Gee, that'd be neat.
by CyberCyclist on Jun 25, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
for sure!
Funny that with 2 outs and tying run on second in the 9th (against a RHP), Lou sends up Soto instead of Bradley!
In fact MB was on deck to hit if Soto got on.
If you think you've seen it all...just wait!
by CubFanSince1970 on Jun 25, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont think MB would have done anything either
by jesus christos on Jun 25, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that makes them
2-33 with RISP for the entire series!
Worse than that was Sori’s baserunning blunder early on. With Soriano on first, Lee hits it to deep LC and the Tiger leftfielder makes the catch up against the wall…and still throws Soriano out at first base!!!
When you make 16 million a year, you better be smarter than that!
If you think you've seen it all...just wait!
by CubFanSince1970 on Jun 25, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smarter has nothing to do with it
It’s laziness on Sori’s part.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
"Yeah, Moe, that team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I’ve seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked!" - Homer
by propheteer on Jun 25, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So when a guy makes an error he's lazy?
It really gets old the way some players are characterized as being lazy. He’s been playing through a painful knee injury. He made a mistake, that doesn’t make him lazy. There isn’t a player on this team that has made as many base running blunders over the last two seasons as Ryan Theriot yet I don’t hear anyone calling him lazy. Interesting.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jun 25, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he's got a knee injury that's hurting his ability to play he needs to go on the DL.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 25, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that if he's injured he should go on the DL.
I just get really tired of hearing fans say he’s lazy when he’s obviously played through pain because he felt the team needed him. The Cubs wouldn’t have won the division without him the last 2 seasons and they need him to produce if they’re going to win this year. He has been having better at bats as of late, hopefully the knee is getting better and he’ll return to his career norms.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jun 25, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That blunder had nothing to do with an injury..........
watch the play closely and you’ll see he took two walking steps back to second, like he may have lost track of outs, then started to sprint to first. The play was in front of him for God’s sake. He flat out blew it.
"We got some pretty good chemistry here. We got some toughness, and it's starting to show." - Lou Pinella
by Clutche on Jun 25, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't have an injury
I just watched him for the last 3 days (in person) and he runs just fine.
How motivated he may be is another question.
If you think you've seen it all...just wait!
by CubFanSince1970 on Jun 25, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you happen to stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?
Being present at the last three games doesn’t really qualify you to determine the relative health of his knee. It’s been widely reported that his knee isn’t a 100% and he’s trying to play through it.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jun 25, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
I know enough to tell when a player is ok to play! Nobody is ever 100% healthy! Besides, you can see a lot more in person than from TV (such as how he runs on and off the field, how he runs on the basepaths, etc.)
If he was a detriment to the team because of his lack of running ability, he wouldn’t have been in there.
If you think you've seen it all...just wait!
by CubFanSince1970 on Jun 25, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you heard of HD TV?
Personally, I can always get a better view of what’s going by watching TV than by sitting hundreds of yards away in the stands. I’m also not going to claim I can tell a player’s relative health by observing on TV or at the game.
You may have very well had a professionally trained eye on him at all times but it doesn’t change the fact that his knee has been bothering him. It may not respond the way he would like even if he’s not limping or wincing in obvious discomfort. I’m not sure how you can know his knee is fine and that he’s just not motivated when it’s been reported for some time that he is having trouble with his knee. Unless you are a Doctor that’s actually examined him, I don’t think you can say that his knee is not an issue.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jun 25, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wat?
Personally, I can always get a better view of what’s going by watching TV than by sitting hundreds of yards away in the stands
Not a chance. Ignoring the spotty tv coverage, you get a MUCH greater sense of the game at the ballpark. You don’t see the beat writers chillaxin in front of HDTVs every game, do you?
by dr stabbingworth on Jun 26, 2009 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do they have hi-def monitors in the broadcast booth?
At the park you get a panoramic view of the action but up-close detailed looks of plays and of players and their facial expressions, such as wincing in pain, are much better seen on TV. I also believe there are video monitors in the press box. When you are at the park rarely can you tell if a close play is safe or out like you can from the television. And, yes, I do go to several games at the park throughout the year.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jun 26, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily lazy.
But when a guy rounds second base, stops to watch the outfielder catch the ball against the wall, then begins to walk/jog slowly back to second base—where presumably, a little light bulb goes on in his head because as he passes second he only then begins to pick up his pace a little bit—and is thrown out by several yards before returning to first base, what do you call that?
It’s maybe unfair to call it lazy, but to fault an injury for that monumental an example of stupidity is a stretch.
"You have to have short-term memory, no matter who you are in this game. There's always tomorrow." ~Derrek Lee
by Goodie1969 on Jun 25, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't call it lazy and I don't think other should either. You seem to agree.
I don’t know if you’ve noticed but he seems to have trouble stopping and pushing off due to his knee. I don’t know if that played a part in his stopping after rounding second and getting a slow start back to first or not. There is no question it was a mental error on his part, I don’t think it was a mistake due to lack of effort.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jun 25, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
very well said
"We got some pretty good chemistry here. We got some toughness, and it's starting to show." - Lou Pinella
by Clutche on Jun 25, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I think...
he loses focus and doesn’t keep his head in the game 100% of the time.
If you think you've seen it all...just wait!
by CubFanSince1970 on Jun 25, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly........
watch him daydream in left between pitches. Does it all the time. I’m sure Al sees it.
"We got some pretty good chemistry here. We got some toughness, and it's starting to show." - Lou Pinella
by Clutche on Jun 25, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, most of the time I see him pretty focused out there.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 25, 2009 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it's Bradley I'm watching lol
"We got some pretty good chemistry here. We got some toughness, and it's starting to show." - Lou Pinella
by Clutche on Jun 25, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or
Hoffpauir. Course, you’d have to be able to see into the dugout most of the time.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 25, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd. Because that was damn funny.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 26, 2009 7:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's not funny.........
is Soriano’s performance, or lack thereof.
"We got some pretty good chemistry here. We got some toughness, and it's starting to show." - Lou Pinella
by Clutche on Jun 26, 2009 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't disagree
But it was a decent line.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 26, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cheap shot.............
but I’ve come to expect that from you
"We got some pretty good chemistry here. We got some toughness, and it's starting to show." - Lou Pinella
by Clutche on Jun 26, 2009 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hoff
One of the few guys with meaningful contributions. Let’s celebrate Lou’s inability to play him properly.
by dr stabbingworth on Jun 26, 2009 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hoffpauir has given 110%
and it’s Soriano that deserves to be on the bench with 20 hits in his last 120 AB’s
"We got some pretty good chemistry here. We got some toughness, and it's starting to show." - Lou Pinella
by Clutche on Jun 26, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, weren't you saying the exact same thing when Lee was struggling?
Maybe you’re the slumpbuster Soriano needs
by WanderingWanderer on Jun 26, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes I was, but you can't compare Lee's slump with Soriano's MELTDOWN......
Lee was struggling but he continued to hustle and played an excellent 1st base defensively unlike Soriano’s mental lapses and apparent lack of desire and hustle.
"We got some pretty good chemistry here. We got some toughness, and it's starting to show." - Lou Pinella
by Clutche on Jun 26, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Explain to me how his "lack of desire" is apparent
by WanderingWanderer on Jun 26, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lack of hustle and mental lapses.............
"We got some pretty good chemistry here. We got some toughness, and it's starting to show." - Lou Pinella
by Clutche on Jun 26, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mental lapses equal lack of desire?
Then no one on this team has any desire. Why single out Soriano?
by WanderingWanderer on Jun 26, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because he does it best!!!!
"We got some pretty good chemistry here. We got some toughness, and it's starting to show." - Lou Pinella
by Clutche on Jun 26, 2009 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
please, Theriot might have the single lowest baseball IQ in the game
I don’t see you calling him lazy
by WanderingWanderer on Jun 26, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't agree
"We got some pretty good chemistry here. We got some toughness, and it's starting to show." - Lou Pinella
by Clutche on Jun 26, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
with what?
the fact that Riot has been caught stealing in over 1/3 of his attempts?
What’s to argue?
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 26, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Theriot...
…has never shown any indication he is an even adequate base stealer or baserunner. I agree with you, and can’t see how anyone would reach a different conclusion who has watched him over the past couple of seasons.
He is what he is.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Jun 26, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't agree that he has a low BB IQ..........
and he’s not on his own to steal bases, it’s management that sends him. So let’s not blame the Riot who gives 110% effort.
"We got some pretty good chemistry here. We got some toughness, and it's starting to show." - Lou Pinella
by Clutche on Jun 26, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not in bunting practice
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 26, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and yet
somehow, you think Sori is above management requests?
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 26, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm puking all over the toilet now....
Didn’t make thingss any better
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
by kcjones on Jun 26, 2009 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
when has money made people smarter?
He should be smarter than that because beer league players don’t make that mistake, has nothing to do with the money he’s making
by WanderingWanderer on Jun 26, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al...... Don't wanna nitpick....
But Granderson didn’t hit the 2-R jack today…. it was Ramon Santiago.
Granderson was in my lineup today for fantasy. I think I’m facing you this week.
"It's hard to win 97 games, it's hard to win the division. Our attitude is if you get in every year, you get in most of the time, sooner or later you are going to knock that door down." -- Jim Hendry
by EJThunder on Jun 25, 2009 5:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the nitpick.
It just SEEMED like Granderson hit a HR.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 25, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT: Michael Jackson reportedly has died
TMZ is reporting that Michael suffered a cardiac arrest earlier this afternoon at his Holmby Hills home and paramedics were unable to revive him.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jun 25, 2009 5:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow. That's crazy.
What a sh*tty day in Hollywood.
"It's hard to win 97 games, it's hard to win the division. Our attitude is if you get in every year, you get in most of the time, sooner or later you are going to knock that door down." -- Jim Hendry
by EJThunder on Jun 25, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least they won't have to embalm the body.
Parents everywhere feel their children are a little safer tonight.
"You have to have short-term memory, no matter who you are in this game. There's always tomorrow." ~Derrek Lee
by Goodie1969 on Jun 25, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't mourn the loss of pedophiles.
Good riddance.
"You have to have short-term memory, no matter who you are in this game. There's always tomorrow." ~Derrek Lee
by Goodie1969 on Jun 25, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was found innocent on all counts
"We got some pretty good chemistry here. We got some toughness, and it's starting to show." - Lou Pinella
by Clutche on Jun 25, 2009 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Juice is Loose!
Oh, sorry, that was another innocent guy in the Cali courts.
Fontenot (fon-te-no): Cajun for "scrappy"
by zambranofan on Jun 25, 2009 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, he was found not guilty.
That means there wasn’t enough evidence to convict him. It doesn’t mean he was innocent.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jun 26, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beauty and the Beast die on the same day.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
by tucsoncubsfan on Jun 25, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is anyone else surprised how well McGehee is doing as of late?
…wouldn’t look too shabby in a Cubs uni still.
"It's hard to win 97 games, it's hard to win the division. Our attitude is if you get in every year, you get in most of the time, sooner or later you are going to knock that door down." -- Jim Hendry
by EJThunder on Jun 25, 2009 5:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And the trend continues
Today = 1-6 with RISP. Congratulations Jake Fox for actually driving in runs.
We’re now 2-35 with RISP in the last 4 games.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
by SackMan on Jun 25, 2009 5:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Seems so much worse than that, actually.
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
by Allie on Jun 25, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, 1 of those 2 hits didn't lead to a run
so it’s about twice as bad as it sounds. ;)
by madcow256 on Jun 25, 2009 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
the Cubs got screwed by the home plate ump on the last pitch 2 days in a row.
DEJESUS!!!
by tomas21 on Jun 25, 2009 5:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The ump didn't call strike 3 on Geo.
The umpire pointed at the bat indicating that Geo had not checked his swing and that appeared to be the correct call.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jun 25, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i disagree.
looked as though he did check his swing. horrible call.
by jimvanders on Jun 25, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's a look at the small picture Al...
Look at the big picture all you want Al, you are right about every thing you said. No argument.
But for once, allow me to look at the small picture. Look at the person who lives in Detroit and had to suffer through all 3 games in person. I am beside myself in disgust short term at this team and their ineptness. Soriano and Fontenot….AHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have gone to many Tiger games over the last few years with the family as we are ok Tiger fans…but a distant second to the Cubs. Every time we go over the past few years, the Tigers lose. Of course, upon leaving their loss earlier this month to the Red Sox, we talked about how the Tigers always lose when we go, and I said…..watch….they’ll start winning when they play the Cubs. A 3 game effing sweep, in all different manners. But I digress…that’s a personal, ironic side story. But still, incredibly ironic as it totally came true. Tuesday’s game was tough enough with the walkoff, and they may have been the most palatable of the 3. Last night???? I was beyond disgusted with the way they kept stranding runners. Inning after inning. They would get the first two or 3 batters on, and I would say….this only will lead to more heartbreak, and I was right every time. Then today…..Fox gets their hopes up in the first, Lilly through two appears like he’s going to be the Lilly bulldog….and then, bam.
Again, talk the big picture…only 3.5 games out, all you want, and I won’t disagree with you……but……..AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!! SHORT TERM. I AM TIRED OF THIS GARBAGE.
Thanks for letting me vent.
by jimvanders on Jun 25, 2009 5:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs need more fans like you...
That isn’t “sarcastic”….or ….“bemeaning”……….I feel your pain…….BUT til “we” stop accepting it….we’ll continue to “get it”….
Until the fan base …. gets HOSTILE..(See Phillies, Yankeees, RedSox…)……well….
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
by kcjones on Jun 26, 2009 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hostility will solve nothing. Look at Iraq...
The franchise will respond when the fanbase stops buying tickets, beer, merchandise and other crap.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jun 26, 2009 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what in the name of holy god does Iraq have to do with the Chicago Cubs?
did Bush invade Wrigley and quietly overthrow the team’s brutal dictator?
by WanderingWanderer on Jun 26, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When are the troops
Gonna topple the huge statue of Sam Zell?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jun 26, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sam Zell just SEEMS like a dictator.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jun 26, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So glad I skipped this game
Went to see Transformers instead. It was much more awesome than the Cubs. Total blast.
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
by Allie on Jun 25, 2009 5:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Also
Did SBnation do upgrades again? Comments seem no longer collapsible when you click the header… is that just me? Because if its not just me, that is really not cool.
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
by Allie on Jun 25, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not able to collapse them either
but I tend to have a lot of errors on SBN sites.
by chitownhawkeye on Jun 25, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I emailed support about it
Its a minor thing, but really, its the only way I’ve ever survived game threads.
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
by Allie on Jun 25, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nope, me too.
And I’m guessing they did a few other things too behind the scenes over the last few days – probably involving more memory or database refresh or something because my navigation was real sluggish yesterday and day before. Today it’s lickety-split again. Which given some of the games (and game threads) lately is a good thing. “Nothing to see here… Just move along…”
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jun 25, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I couldn't get them
to collapse in the game thread today and thought it was just my computer. Good to know.
by sue369 on Jun 25, 2009 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see them collapsing either.
Let me know what you hear from support.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 25, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow you actually liked Transformers 2?
I was hugely disappointed by the complete lack of direction that film had.
by WanderingWanderer on Jun 26, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
its a movie about giant robots
fighting to the death.
who cares about its direction. explosions, josh dumahel, tyrese, and a really bad ass corvette.
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
by Allie on Jun 26, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glad
you have faith Al. I don’t see any hope with the Cub hitters. I don’t see big turn arounds with Soto, Bradley, Dome, Fontenot, Soriano, Hill, Miles, Blanco, Johnson.
This team needs a manager change, which will not happen. If this team finishes 81-81, it will surprise me.
So give me a surprise Cubs.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Jun 25, 2009 6:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Al, your comparison to the 2007 season is good in theory...
and i would like to believe it, but that 2007 team had a fired up Piniella and a team without such lofty expectations as our ’09 club.
Having said that, like that ’07 club… the central is just about as bad as it was that year.
So perhaps a playoff birth is in our future, but i can’t see the Cubs doing much more than that.
by RMRZisMYmanCRUSH on Jun 25, 2009 6:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Honestly...
Baseball is not football where you get fired up and smash someone in the mouth and force a fumble, it’s not basketball where you get fired up and run a team out of the gym. Being too fired up in baseball is usually only counterproductive when at the plate.
I just don’t see what a “fired up” Piniella does for you. I don’t agree with a lot of the decisions he’s made this year, but kicking dirt and yelling is not going to make Bradley, Soto and Soriano hit, and it won’t heal Aramis’ shoulder.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 25, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it shows that he actually cares about whats going on, rather than falling a sleep during the games
by jesus christos on Jun 25, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you regarding "caring about what's going on".
But screaming and yelling in public doesn’t necessarily indicate that.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 25, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you have to be awake to scream and yell
by jesus christos on Jun 25, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Missing my point entirely.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 25, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care about the "fired up" Pineilla
but the big difference, that no one seems to mention between 2007, and this season, is that in 2007, Lou was still figuring out his team. He was still trying to work the bad habits that Dusty and his staff had implemented out of the team.
That’s not the case this year. This is his team, and it’s just short of a complete disaster.
by WanderingWanderer on Jun 26, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you completely.
I wasn’t refering to a tantrum on the field. What i meant was the sense that the guy in charge always has a wise idea to turn the team around. I think a team needs to turn to it’s leader who, while positive about the team’s abilities also demends performance and execution and knows anything short of that will nto be tolerated.
It’s hard to put into words exactly, but you can sense an entirely different energy about Lou in ‘07 to this year… like not even in the same ballpark ,when you hear his comments and watch his body language. The players are human and can’t help but respond to that lack of energy.
by RMRZisMYmanCRUSH on Jun 25, 2009 7:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Whoops!
meant to reply to CubsBullsBears
by RMRZisMYmanCRUSH on Jun 25, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll agree with that...
The last two disappointing seasons have taken a lot out of me as a fan, and I have a sort of numbness and almost indifference to some of the losses (I hate to say it). I’m sure it must be wearing on Lou as well; I don’t blame him, but if we miss the playoffs I think it’s time for Lou to step down on his own.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 25, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
6,7, and 8 in the order in that Ranger game, that's too much $#@$^& perspective.
But you are absolutely correct, there’s plenty of games left now to start playing well enough to win this division.
by DudeVf11 on Jun 25, 2009 7:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Rationalization and excuse making run amok
That has become the modus operandi of BCB. I for the life of me don’t understand how an intelligent and rationale Cub fan can be so optimistic. In my 33 years of being a diehard Cub fan I must honestly say this ranks among the most disappointing of all Cub teams assembled. To me, this is a team that will finish the season anywhere from 79 to 85 wins.
Whoopie.
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
by BLou on Jun 25, 2009 8:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you're right
What we should all do is constantly complain about the team underperforming. Live in a state of depression realizing that the next 2 months will be nothing but pain.
No thanks.
If this is the most disappointing season in the history of the Cubs, I’m still going to enjoy every win, and be upset when they lose, not before. And I’ll wait until the end of the season to determine where it ranks.
by chitownhawkeye on Jun 25, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
I agree with BLou’s assessment of the team, but that’s no reason to slit our wrists.
by dr stabbingworth on Jun 26, 2009 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are those in the world who wish to make everyone as miserable as they are.
Its unfortunate their voices have such a strong presence here at BCB. This place should be fun.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jun 26, 2009 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe if we all had some pot
:-)
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 26, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'd be a bunch of happy, soto shaped folks. Bliss!
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jun 26, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I ain't wearin' guyliner
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 26, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs have many problems to solve for sure, but..........
why do we have Soriano, who is 20 for his last 120 AB, leading off?
And how on earth could he get doubled off 1st base on a fly ball to left?
And it seems that for every one positive he contributes he comes back with two negatives.
How can we continue to support a player who day in and day out fails.
"We got some pretty good chemistry here. We got some toughness, and it's starting to show." - Lou Pinella
by Clutche on Jun 25, 2009 8:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Only 5 1/2 years left on the worst contract in baseball !!!!!
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
by BLou on Jun 25, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I challenge your worst contract statement with:
Aaron Miles = 2 years $4.9 million
Drive, Monkey Drive!
by VegasCubFan on Jun 25, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you know
I was going to say the exact same thing.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 25, 2009 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was almost too easy...
Drive, Monkey Drive!
by VegasCubFan on Jun 25, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Drew............
you’ve defended this guy since opening day and I understand that because you are the ultimate glass 1/2 full guy, but how do we justify him leading off, his fielding and base running snafus, and his apparent lack of hustle and desire?
"We got some pretty good chemistry here. We got some toughness, and it's starting to show." - Lou Pinella
by Clutche on Jun 26, 2009 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see a lack of hustle or desire. I see a guy who goes out every day and tries to contribute. I still believe Soriano will get it together.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 26, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Priceless
Cubs are on the hook for $136 million guaranteed over 8 years for Alfonso Soriano and you want to obsess about the $4.9 million fart in the wind contract of a bit player. Yes, Aaron Miles sucks. But to equate his contract situation to the nightmare that is the Alfonso Soriano contract is to lack fundamental grasp of basic mathematical equation.
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
by BLou on Jun 25, 2009 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sori contract...
… why did the Cubs sign him to such a long contract? Were they bidding against anyone but themselves?
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Jun 26, 2009 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it was Jim trying to show that he was "serious"
or whatever. Sori was coming off a 40-40 season I think and was the biggest FA on the market.
by Pre on Jun 26, 2009 6:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you look at a lot Jim's free agent signings you'll see
he bids against himself often. Jacque Jones, Jason Marquis, Alfonso Soriano, Ryan Dempster, Aaron Miles, Milton Bradley, all are situations where Hendry bid against himself
by WanderingWanderer on Jun 26, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So...why is heendry still GM....
Cuz Zell is a crook.
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
by kcjones on Jun 26, 2009 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Between Miles, Soriano, Dome's and Dempster's
we have a lot of competition for the worst contract in baseball. That should speak volumes about our GM
by WanderingWanderer on Jun 26, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm dumbfounded by BCB of late
In the span of the last 24 hours I have read a number of posters on this board make the argument that steroids aren’t really that bad. Now I read rationalizations on another thread that it might be okay if Geovany Soto smokes weed because our society is bass ackwards in its views on pot? What the hell is wrong with some of you people? There are actually members of this board ready and willing to defend Sammy Sosa on steroids and defend Geovany Soto and his wretched 2009 performance to date ????
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
by BLou on Jun 25, 2009 8:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sittin downtown by the railway station....
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
by kcjones on Jun 26, 2009 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go back and read all the liberal mamby pamby rationalizations on some of these other threads
Like for instance how Sam-ME Steroid is a victim of circumstances seeing how steroids are not illegal in the banana republic called the Dominican Republic. Or the arguments of how steroids aren’t any worse then taking pep pills or Ty Cobb sharpening his spikes or an ancient Gaylord Perry taking a nail file to a baseball.
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
by BLou on Jun 25, 2009 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
liberal mamby pamby
:-)
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jun 26, 2009 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
GET OFF MY DAMN LAWN, YOU KIDS!
With your progressive values and unwillingness to bring down the holy hell on Geo for his harmless usage.
by dr stabbingworth on Jun 26, 2009 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Next think you know, we'll be allowing women to drive.
America these days.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jun 26, 2009 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear they even want to vote!
Also, the Gays are ruining our society
by WanderingWanderer on Jun 26, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was the soil that they're ruining
I like you Stuart
by wallrock on Jun 26, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can drive in the kitchen?
(oh Lord, I apologize now for this joke, nor would I endorse the blatant sexism posted herein)
by dr stabbingworth on Jun 26, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
"You have to have short-term memory, no matter who you are in this game. There's always tomorrow." ~Derrek Lee
by Goodie1969 on Jun 26, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Had to be done.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jun 26, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Denny Crane
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 26, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As if only liberals smoke pot...
right.
"You have to have short-term memory, no matter who you are in this game. There's always tomorrow." ~Derrek Lee
by Goodie1969 on Jun 26, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
PJ O'Rourke
would like a word. :P
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 26, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I'm sayin'
All my conservative friends smoke. I guess they’re really closet libertarians.
"You have to have short-term memory, no matter who you are in this game. There's always tomorrow." ~Derrek Lee
by Goodie1969 on Jun 26, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh BLou. Always good for a chuckle my man.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jun 25, 2009 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, to you it's perfectly fine that Geovany Soto is a pothead
I read your other posts. Nice that you endorse pot smoking and have no problem that Geovany Soto in turn has turned into a shit ballplayer for the Cubs. Real swell stuff.
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
by BLou on Jun 25, 2009 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Give me some evidence that there is any cause and effect in that.
Blasting Soto for something 42% of Americans has done at least once (meaning, statistically, 10 Cubs and 315 MLB players have done as well) is redic.
There are those that have somehow gone through life ignorant of the fact that this particular drug is prevalent in our society. Most, i suspect, are older white folks of upper class conservative nature. Its easy to understand how those people may not ‘get’ the world that the average MLB player came from, and still lives in to some extent. If that isn’t you, than i’m sorry for implying incorrectly. But if it is, its time to recognize the majority you group yourself in with isn’t as large as you think. There are large sections of society that have embraced marajuana as the harmless fun that it is (in moderation, as with all things in life) and that section of society is only growing.
Honestly, as worked up as this seemingly has got you, maybe you could use a little puff. Much love, friend.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jun 25, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tommy Chong chimes in
Geovany Soto is fat and having a wretched season for the Cubs. Apparently that is okay with you in the spirit of your embrace of pot smoking.
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
by BLou on Jun 25, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, his poor play and out of shape stature are wholly unaccaptable to me.
They are also unrelated to that lone smoke he had in the two weeks prior to his WBC test. Prove otherwise.
It should be noted that the whole team is sucking of late. Perhaps they are all sitting in the clubhouse tokin’ up together? Is that your theory, as you’ve clearly established Soto’s decline is in direct relation to his pot intake? By god, you’ve solved the curse! DRUGS! Drugs all along!
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jun 25, 2009 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you really think he just started smoking pot THIS YEAR ?
That because he smokes pot he suddenly got out of shape and is not hitting well ? I have smoked pot twice in my life but I have not problem if others do and I know far too many bright, together people to think that a few joints wreck their brains or bodies or that they will some how be doing lines of coke next week.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 25, 2009 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Giving myself a penny for my thoughts
Lou definitely seems shell-shocked. I still think that’s because he had a major hand in the roster construction this year and can’t believe how poorly “his guys” are performing. Maybe he’s beginning to realize that hitting left-handed isn’t good enough, along with rethinking a lot of other tried-and-true old-school philosophies taken as gospel. And that’s gotta be tough.
We’re also seeing the downside to Jim Hendry prioritizing “athleticism” a little too much. Alfonso Soriano and Milton Bradley are speedy and have strong arms and can hit the baseball a long way, but consistent hitters they ain’t. Now I won’t fault them for injury; you can’t (and shouldn’t) play if something is physically wrong. But even when healthy, both have holes in their game – holes big enough that Hendry shouldn’t have given them the amount of money for the amount of years that he did.
by CaliCub on Jun 25, 2009 9:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ricketts or Utay need to blow this thing up
If I were the new owner then first thing on my to do list would be to show Crane Kenney, Jim Hendry and Oneri Flieta the door. I’d also let Lou quit like he so desperately wants to do to go back home to Florida and become member of the Yankee payroll once more. Then my offseason priority would be to do an extreme purge of everything and anything moveable on this roster ala infamous Florida Marlin style.
New GM? Maybe sabermagician deluxe Billy Beane is finally souring on his gig in Oakland and can be lured to take over the strategic overhaul of the Cub organization that we thought we signed on for with Andy McFAIL in 1995. If it takes 5 years to be back in contention then I don’t care. Build this thing up RIGHT from the foundation. Go back to how Dallas Green was trying to build this organization up the right way.
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
by BLou on Jun 25, 2009 9:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lew Wolff has been reneging on a lot of assurances he gave Beane
so ya never know….
by CaliCub on Jun 25, 2009 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't imagine a new owner not cleaning house completely when he comes in to this mess...
…and I’d love to see what a guy like Billy Beane could do. But my worry is that we’ll still be talking about the Cubs’ ownership situation at this time next year.
by bluekoolaide on Jun 25, 2009 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOOK AT THE...
Green Bay Packer…(ugh…puke I know)….ownership structure……WHY can’t we be a PTC…..
Make winning more important than 1/4ly returns……………..
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
by kcjones on Jun 26, 2009 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now, now
Some of us around here like the Packers…
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root