Bradley Sent Home From Today's Game
by bergs55 on Jun 26, 2009 5:27 PM CDT
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Paul Sullivan is reporting that Milton Bradley had "words" with Manager Lou Piniella in the dugout during today's game and was sent home. Don't think anybody is surprised, it was just a matter of time. Every day, this team gets more disfunctional. What do we do with Bradley now? Nobody in their right mind would trade for him and now he'd disgruntled. Hendry made a major mistake with this one...among a few others (Soriano and Fukudome). With all of the injuries and the blow-ups, I'm not sure what the Cubs were expecting when they signed him to such a big contract.
Maybe when Aramis returns, Fox plays right field? Can't be any worse than Milton. And now, how will the fans at Wrigley react? This guy is a timebomb...
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Im sure we have a trade thats not finished yet
with either the Padres, A’s, or the Orioles since they are the only teams we ever trade with. Maybe we are yet to give one of them a PTBNL and Bradley could be that guy lol
by Eric16 on Jun 26, 2009 5:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bradley is not going back to Oakland
not while Beane is still there. Bradley verbally dumped all over Beane.
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Jun 27, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Deja Vu
It is Sammy Sosa (minus about 500 Cub home runs),
A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five.
by copes006 on Jun 26, 2009 5:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
it has been reported that he was “sent home.”
I am actually hoping he left on his own volition, and the Cubs can claim he breached his contract and dump this disaster and recoup the $10m/yr for the next 2.5 years.
What a disastrous signing by Hendry.
by paulucla on Jun 26, 2009 5:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It was reported he went hom. Kasper said it.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Jun 26, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whether sent then went or just plain went, shades of Sosa
What was this all about in the first place?
by JFCubFan on Jun 26, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lou told Bradley to go home.
The video is on ESPN News.
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 26, 2009 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Bradley is a Grade A Jerk but......
…let’s wait to see what happened. Hard to imagine Milton comes out looking good, though.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Jun 26, 2009 5:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bradley has been a cancer everywhere he has been
Hardly surprising that he now officially has had run-in with Sweet Lou. I’ll side with Piniella on this one. Hardly can blame Piniella for enormous frustration on a player that is perpetually dinged up and unavailable (yet never quite dinged up enough to go on the DL) and who has gotten off to a terrible start with the bat.
Nice outfield Jim Hendry…the worst contract in baseball in lef, a $48 million version of So Taguchi in center and Milton in right.
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
by BLou on Jun 26, 2009 5:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Center/Right...
…sure aren’t looking too good. I know some want to wait and making trades, but I’m all for it now. If Bradley can go, awesome… but, i’d be surprised if anybody would really want him. We are stuck with his contract, and prolly stuck with him… I guess if the Cubs don’t get it together, we can be entertained by Bradleys garbage for the rest of the year. I’d rather the Cubs win however…
by TheHawkRules on Jun 26, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How quickly you turn...
just a few months ago you were talking how great an acquisition he was.
by SouthernCub on Jun 26, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
me?
no i wasn’t. i’ve always been against the signing. always.
by TheHawkRules on Jun 26, 2009 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My reply was to BLou
I had no idea what your opinion on the matter was.
by SouthernCub on Jun 26, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am willing to bet
Lou had everything to do with signing Bradley, so Hendry is not along in the blame game. One of Hendry’s biggest faults, imo, is blindly doing what the manager wants with no vision of his own. He did the same thing with Baker, with the same results. There is a reason Lou and Dusty are in the dugout and not the front office, and Hendry should’ve been smarter.
DEJESUS!!!
by tomas21 on Jun 26, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This True?
If this is true… sad, but no surprise.
by TheHawkRules on Jun 26, 2009 5:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
*sigh*
Not one good thing has come from this signing. Nice job, Jim. Trade DeRosa to get Bradley and his unproductive bat in here. Now not only is he not hitting, but he’s effing up the clubhouse as well. Awesome!
by kanderber on Jun 26, 2009 5:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not surprised. Not all all, unfortunately.
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 26, 2009 5:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Anybody know if Lou will/is talking about this in his postgame?
by lswaidz on Jun 26, 2009 5:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
He just mentioned it. Milton was hitting the cooler and throwing his helmet in the dugout and Lou was fed up with this reoccuring behavior so he sent him home. It was about time.
by Palmdale24 on Jun 26, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly what Lou did when he played................
n/t
"I still don't know what happened"- Fergie Jenkins on '69
by tommy veryzer on Jun 26, 2009 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well I dont blame Hendry
for Fukudome, alot of teams were in on him and he chose us. We are actually getting production out of him too. Bradley on the other hand…..
by bheidge on Jun 26, 2009 5:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Its time to dump him while we still can, easier said than done
"Okay, just so I understand it...in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil."- Jim Halpert
by ryanbrixenivy on Jun 26, 2009 5:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bill Melton had a good observation
He said Bradley just doesn’t look like he’s seeing the ball at the plate. His mechanics or all messed up.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Jun 26, 2009 5:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh to have kept Mark DeRosa and brought back Jim Edmonds
What I would not give to have Jim Edmonds in a Cub uniform. He would have cost a sliver of what we are paying Bradley and I dare say would have produced better.
The most expensive outfield in baseball….and all three starters suck shit and are disastrous contracts. Nice work Jim Hendry.
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
by BLou on Jun 26, 2009 5:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, BLou, but that make you
sound as asinine as usual. Thank God you aren’t a GM.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 26, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What part of what he said is untrue?
by kanderber on Jun 26, 2009 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Certainly the first half
A old Edmonds and St. DeRosa would not be what cures this team. Not to defend Soriano or MB right now, either.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 26, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Edmonds couldve been useful this year
at some level
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jun 26, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe.
or his knees could be powdered chalk by now.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 26, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
right, but it wouldve been a low risk move
just like last year
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jun 26, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
30 ML teams disagree with you
Randy Wells - You continue to astound me.
by DGU on Jun 27, 2009 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, really?
How do you know this?
You don’t.
Perhaps Edmonds only wants to play on his terms. It’s not like he needs to play at this point. He’s won a WS, been a AS several times, won a bunch of GG’s, played in two of the greatest baseball towns in America… professionally, he doesn’t have much left to achieve.
by kanderber on Jun 27, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not Bruce...
I don’t often agree with BLou, but there isn’t one word in that post that is asinine. You’re telling me you wouldn’t start over with Edmonds and DeRosa? That, would be asinine. Neither one of them are the turd Bradley is, and both of them would be producing plenty more than Bradley is.
Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.
by TCobb1911 on Jun 26, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I recall
BLou you had no problem with the Bradley signing, correct?
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Jun 26, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's admitted that more than once, actually.
He has changed his mind.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 26, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Although it does make criticism of the move itself seem a little . . .
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 26, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do you think about
Maybe even picking up Frank Thomas? I read today that he is still wanting to play, he might be good to bring in off the bench and we can get him for pennies on the dollar just throwing that out there. I just realized bren that you and I have the same signature, nice!
"Okay, just so I understand it...in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil."- Jim Halpert
by ryanbrixenivy on Jun 26, 2009 6:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He's AL all the way
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Jun 26, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know, im just spit balling
"Okay, just so I understand it...in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil."- Jim Halpert
by ryanbrixenivy on Jun 26, 2009 6:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The whole outfield is a big question
We may not have the most expensive outfield in baseball. Someone will undoubtedly check on that. My concern is that dollar for dollar we have one of the least productive outfields in baseball. Big money should get you some production. Soriano starts it off. He has fallen off the face of the Earth. Fuku is moderately productive, and has proved to be capable in CF, but he is not worth the money he is getting. Bradley is what we all knew he was. Dysfunctional. Six teams in seven years. Who would have thought we’d have a problem from him? At least he was hitting when he was being a f*** in someone else’s clubhouse. Sheeesh! He brought the baggage, but forgot his stick when he came to Chicago.
by Nibbles on Jun 26, 2009 6:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How nice would it be...
if we could find someone to trade Bradley to, and then platoon Hoff/Fox in RF the rest of the way? I’d bet serious money that those two would outperform Bradley by a significant margin the rest of the way.
Jim Hendry is such an idiot for signing this guy. Who gives a shit if you had dinner with him and he convinced you he would be a great fit? Isn’t that the same thing as if you’re a hiring manager, and you’ve got someone you’re interviewing who’s been fired from his last 5 jobs telling you that he’s a great candidate and the past won’t affect the future? Dumb Jim, dumb dumb dumb.
by kanderber on Jun 26, 2009 6:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Forget about a trade...
…because it aint’ happening with Bradley or with Soriano.
The Bradley signing was a risk, because you knew he came with baggage and it has gone south quick. With that said, who knows what happens from this point forward – the guy could end up getting red hot in the 2nd half because he has proven over and over he can hit. The issue is his head, and we all knew that was a problem before he was signed.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Jun 26, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Milton needs to ask himself what he wants?
He says he’s a competitor and loves baseball, and I agree that’s probably the case. But you have to play baseball within the game, within the clubhouse, and within the context of the team around you. Part of the love of the game has to be seeing himself as a talented, but interrelated, member of a team effort. At the start of the season, he took a lot of things on his shoulders that he didn’t need to – like being a source of fire and leadership for this team, but he is not a leader.
Lou’s job is to ground Bradley in his own desire to play the game he loves, and play it well. That means not transcending the team, inserting energy (and pressure) where it’s not necessary, but being part of a team. Gameboard is not the game, or the team, but he can be an important piece of this team if he learns how to channel his enormous talent and potential into the bigger picture – without being the bigger pitcher himself.
by DisCUBbobulated on Jun 26, 2009 6:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hate to pat the back
But I hated this the day it was mentioned the Cubs were in on Bradley, then they signed him, and it was just of matter of time that this BS was going to come forward. His whole career has been this, why on Gods green earth did Hendry think that Milton Bradley was going to change? He has one good freaking year.
Hey he is the Cubs headache now. No one, and I mean no one is going to take this guy with the horseshit contract he has. To compound the problem he is not hitting from the left side, so if the Cubs want to play Fox against lefties that takes Miltons bat out from the right side where he is actually hitting.
Screw Milton, sit his ass, and play Fox.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Jun 26, 2009 6:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, right now,
Fox is going to play 3B.
Ramirez could be back as soon as late next week. We’ll see what happens then.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 26, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i doubt aram will be back next week unless he does some speed rehab
by jesus christos on Jun 26, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he goes on rehab Monday
and is ready after 2-3 games, he could be back for the Brewers series next week. Not my speculation, but what I heard on WGN today.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 26, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not solely
directed at you, but not one person in the entire universe cares even a little who on a message board knew “x” was going to happen before it happened.
DEJESUS!!!
by tomas21 on Jun 26, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The ancient Mayans know when the world is ending . . .
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 26, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
December 21
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 26, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
isn't that when...
… the aliens return?
fight the future
by TheHawkRules on Jun 26, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have it on my calendar as seven weeks later
when the Lions win the Super Bowl.
by CaliCub on Jun 26, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Difference:
they didn’t post it on a message board and say “remember when I posted in 420 AD that the world was going to end in 2012…”
DEJESUS!!!
by tomas21 on Jun 26, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't know that
Maybe the servers crashed during the Crusades.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 26, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
hmmm
i see there is a lot of milton bashing and although understandable I think everyone needs to give milton a break. I know he hasnt been worth as much or even close to as much as he is getting paid. But I really think his batting average will keep rising before the last few games he had a ten game hitting streak and although he is only at an awful 237 he still has improved from the 200 he was hitting before.
by cooltrev on Jun 26, 2009 6:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
he can get all the singles he wants but hes not driving in runs. heres some cool numbers
aram has played in 18 games and has 16 RBIs
jake fox has played in 16 games and has 9 RBIs
reed johnson has played in 43 games and has 16 RBIs
bradley has played in 55 games and has 16 RBIs
by jesus christos on Jun 26, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You probably need to add the total number of AB's for those "games"
and that will skew the perception. most likely.
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
by BigJohnAZ on Jun 26, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
aram 66
fox 34
reed 112
bradley 166
by jesus christos on Jun 26, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the love of...
RBIs are a reflection of your teammates ability to get on base ahead of you. They have nothing to do with the individual batting…
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 26, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the most part, yes.
But when you have the opportunities, as Bradley has, and have failed as often as he has, the responsibility falls partly on the hitter.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 26, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, then...
someone come up with a list of RBI OPPORTUNITIES for each player, and how each player has done. Rami’s games came earlier in the season, when the Cubs went on something of a roll, for example.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 26, 2009 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly...
A RBI conversion rate would be elucidating…
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 26, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see that too.
It’s my impression that Milton has left a ton of runners on base. But let’s see the numbers.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 26, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
couldn't
you just look at the LOB number?
DEJESUS!!!
by tomas21 on Jun 26, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From each of his at-bats?
Kind of time consuming. There must be a number available somewhere.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 26, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
RBI %
Milton- 14.5%
Soriano- 14.4%
Fox 26.7%
Aramis- 29.3% (team leader)
Fukudome- 21.2% (but in free fall)
DLee- 20.2%
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 27, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
is that with
runners in scoring position, or just on base?
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 27, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that answers that question.
Thanks for the numbers.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 27, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It might tell you something, but not necessarily what we're getting at.
LOB just analyzes the number of guys on base when you made the 3rd out of the inning, I believe. (Though someone correct me if I’m mistaken.)
It doesn’t make a difference if they’re in scoring position. It also would double-count your failure to get a hit in a given situation for each man on base…meaning that if you have the misfortune of continually making the 3rd out with bases loaded, you’ll look a lot worse than the guy who equally fails to perform but doesn’t have anyone on base…The latter guy isn’t necessarily better just because he happened not to have anyone on base when he choked…
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 26, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's my impression too
for what it’s worth. He’s scuffling.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 26, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting Mark DeRosa note (not sure the best place for this)
MLB trade rumors found someone who reverse-engineered the Elias rankings used to determine whether someone is a type A or B (or neither) free agent.
Mark DeRosa is a type B free agent, and he’s closer to being without draft pick compensation that a type A free agent:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/16831006/Rankings-062609
I don’t have a strong opinion about this, other than I’m surprised, and that this becoming common knowledge might temper the package Cleveland gets for DeRo, since teams wouldn’t be getting a first rounder if he walks, and Cleveland wouldn’t have much reason to keep him around.
DEJESUS!!!
by tomas21 on Jun 26, 2009 6:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He would rank higher if he were traded back to the NL.
The AL has a deeper pool at 2B/3B/SS.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Jun 26, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I imagine his playing 3B
is also dragging that ranking down, compared to where he’d be as a 2B.
Randy Wells - You continue to astound me.
by DGU on Jun 26, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
3B, SS, and 2B are put into the same pool.
It doesn’t matter whether he plays 2B or 3B. The only thing that would matter is if he plays enough OF this year to give him more OF/1B games than 2B/SS/3B games between 2008 and 2009.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Jun 26, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't realize. Thanks.
Learn something new everyday….
Randy Wells - You continue to astound me.
by DGU on Jun 26, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Surprised?
No one should be surprised. It was going to happen to the next person who did it and it just happened to be Bradley. This is where he’s going to have to prove that his history is behind him and show up to play tomorrow and do his best. I fear that the opposite will happen, but hope to be proven wrong.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
by Ace Venom on Jun 26, 2009 7:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Update from Bruce Miles
Sounds like this isn’t the end of it.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 26, 2009 7:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Article says that:
Hendry and several players are starting to see Bradley as selfish and not a team player. That spells dysfunction for the clubhose and disaster for the team.
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 26, 2009 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that's not really what it says
but it could turn into that, perhaps, if something isn’t done about it.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 26, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
utter conjecture.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 26, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Different angle -
Does Lou’s treatment of Bradley here seem inconsistent with the treatment of Zambrano? Certainly there’s more to this story than we know, though.
Randy Wells - You continue to astound me.
by DGU on Jun 26, 2009 7:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Z was ejected
There’s no reason for Lou to kick Zambrano out of the game if he’s already been ejected from the game. I’m sure there was a talk.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
by Ace Venom on Jun 26, 2009 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Z has a history of violence against other players
Ted Lilly has a history of violence against his managers
Milton Bradley doesn’t have any such history of violence
Yet we react quite differently to their outbursts. I wonder what’s different?
by Wreckard on Jun 26, 2009 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Media bullsh*t
" I hate that lady , but would totally do her. So strange is this mind of mens." - Skisgaar Skwigelf
by Rage and Grace on Jun 26, 2009 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Without starting a war
Race cannot be ignored when you think about it.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 27, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, it can be ignored.
And it should be. If we begin to make this a racial issue, then we are treading down a dangerous, inflammatory, and lazy road of thinking. Zambrano and Lilly can hardly be said to have a “history” of violence. They were involved in singular incidents. And Lilly’s incident happened in Toronto, so I don’t recall that “we” reacted to that in any way, other than acknowledgment of it. To suggest that dislike of Milton Bradley is the product of racial bias is stretching logic to its breaking point. If race is the reason for the dislike of Bradley, then Aaron Miles should be much more popular here than he seems to be.
"You have to have short-term memory, no matter who you are in this game. There's always tomorrow." ~Derrek Lee
by Goodie1969 on Jun 27, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it cant be ignored
but it also shouldn’t be mentioned unless we hear that that is the problem. Thats all everyone is doing right now is assuming and we don’t need anymore of that
by Glacier on Jun 27, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe, maybe not. The next time (and there will be a next time) will tell.
Putting this in the best possible light…
Maybe Lou finally had enough of all the chickenshit antics that have been going on all season.
Maybe he said to himself, “Self, the next idiot that throws a little tantrum is going to get his ass chewed but good.”
And maybe it was just coincidence that it happened to be Milton Baggage in the wrong place at the wrong time today.
I know it’s a stretch, but based on Lou’s post-game comments, it’s plausible.
So the real test of this theory is what Lou does the next time somebody (not just Baggage) throws a hissy fit on the field or in the dugout. And the most likely candidate is obviously Z. Part of me kinda wants it to happen ‘cause I’d like to see Lou go all ape-shit on everybody on this team when they act like idiots.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jun 26, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Only problem wiith that
Why wasn’t Marmol sent home? Of course, his tantrum may not have been as severe as Baggage’s (that’s a great nickname, btw).
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 27, 2009 7:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what did Marmol do?
I wasn’t watching the game that close (the Sox announcers tend to do that to me…) so I was paying more attention to the radio. I don’t recall Pat or Ron saying anything about a Marmol blow up.
I take it he stomped around throwing stuff? Were the tantrums comparable?
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jun 27, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He threw his
glove at one of the coolers and the cooler flew off the shelf.
by sue369 on Jun 27, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was my first thought as well...
Obviously Milton isn’t the first one to throw stuff and beat up the poor Gatorade bucket…
Ballhawks theory below seems at least plausible….
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 26, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh...
I guess that should read “Ballhawks” theory above, as it were…
:)
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 26, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley
None of this is a surprise. This is Milton Bradley, and if this incident changes your mind on his signing, then I don’t think you were being realistic at the beginning.
As for the clubhouse effect, remember that Lou thought the team needed some firing up; he thought this would have a positive effect on team chemistry.
I do think he’s tradeable – it’s just not like we’re going to get anything good in return. Maybe the Giants would consider a Bradley-Winn swap. But I don’t think the Cubs will be seeking a trade. We’ll have to read more before assuming a big move like that would happen.
Randy Wells - You continue to astound me.
by DGU on Jun 26, 2009 7:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
btw...
I have been missing your commentary around here DGU (even when I’ve disgreed).
Hope you plan on being around more frequently! :)
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 26, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In would take Winn-bradley
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on Jun 26, 2009 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
soriano and fukudome were a mistake?
wtf!? we would not have won the division 2 years in a row without these guys
IMO of curse
Ramlee Zamfukusoridero
by hiphopgamer26 on Jun 26, 2009 7:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
let me clarify
the whole team won us the division, without these two guys, it could have been different
Ramlee Zamfukusoridero
by hiphopgamer26 on Jun 26, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, but players deteriorate as they age.
Soriano has clearly aged.
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 26, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So has
Derrek Lee, right?
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 26, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In one year?
He goes from an all-star to flirting with the Mendoza line?
DEJESUS!!!
by tomas21 on Jun 26, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not exactly...
We did win the division without Dome in 2007. Remember Jacque Jones?
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Jun 27, 2009 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know its not likely but...
does anybody think it would be possible to swing a 3-team deal with the natinals and braves (among whatever else it took, braves getting bradley, nats getting francouer and we get dunn)? from what ive heard the nats and braves are both looking to dump those guys, think the braves would be interested in giving gameboard a chance in the dirty south?
by burncruisin on Jun 26, 2009 7:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bobby Cox wouldn't even put up with Kenny Lofton's attitude.
There’s no way in hell that he would take Gameboard.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Jun 26, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley
is a psycho. Always was, always will be. That’s why he’s played for 7 teams in 9 years. Everybody got sick of his tired act.
I can’t believe we’re stuck with his shit for 1 1/2 more years.
by Clark Addison on Jun 26, 2009 7:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
2 1/2
That option is going to vest
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 26, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
56
No way does he not get in 14 more
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 27, 2009 7:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats it, i'm sending him home too
That is, pulling him from the lineup on MLB 09 The Show, on my PS3.
I still have to figure out how to tell them Gregg is the closer, not Marmol, and that Gathright is no longer on the team.
Busy weekend.
by CalDeano on Jun 26, 2009 7:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sadly my hope for Milton is finally going elsewhere
I still liked the signing, that won’t change. I also have hope for the next two years of his contract. I don’t have that much hope for this season with Milton. Though its nice to see that he brought the fire back out of Lou.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 26, 2009 7:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sullivan's article based on his pre-game interview with Bradley
by JCD on Jun 26, 2009 8:09 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
A good read.
That article emphasizes for me the old saying that winning is what produces good chemistry.
Randy Wells - You continue to astound me.
by DGU on Jun 26, 2009 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Winning atones for a lot of sins.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 26, 2009 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with that, to a degree
but also feel that the team needs something to bond together with, us against the world or something. Clearly, this year, they seem splintered somewhat. Obviously, this is me on the outside looking in.
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
by BigJohnAZ on Jun 26, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
“My personality is more of a guy [who likes to] go unnoticed — to show up, do my job and go home, and really not have a whole lot of hoopla about it.
wha
by jesus christos on Jun 26, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good to see a quote from DLee
Wait, it’s not him? Huh
by chitownhawkeye on Jun 26, 2009 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, in lieu of winning, there's always a good ol' fashioned baseball brawl to pull the team together
I’m only semi-kidding. Look, last thing this team needs is to start (continue?) fighting amongst themselves. But if they don’t start winning soon, it’ll probably get ugly. Very ugly. So if Lou doesn’t want to breathe fire anymore (and I’m not saying he has to), then maybe the players need to get a little more “aggressive”.
No, not Milton. And probably not Z either. Those guys have a history with the league and any “instigation” by them would not be viewed well. Dome? Completely out of character, unless of course he were on the receiving end of a nasty play and came up spitting and swinging. THAT would get the rest of the team fired up. Fox and Hoffpauir are certainly capable but haven’t ‘earned’ the right yet. Lee is always a possibility – he did take on Chris Young a few years ago. Of course, he kinda took a circular route behind Lou to get at him, but it had potential.
Lilly would be a good choice, but geez, does he have to do everything around here? Soriano would probably pull a muscle running towards someone so no on him. Dempster’s crazy enough to do it, but oddly enough seems out of character for him as well. I can’t really envision a game scenario where this would happen, but Gregg might fit the bill. I could see him getting a good roar or two in and he’s solid enough to pull a Farnsworth on somebody.
But IMO, the perfect guy to do this is Reed Johnson. I think he would understand the need for something like this and is probably smart enough to manufacture a situation for it to happen. But he’s on the DL, so that ain’t gonna happen. So my vote, by mostly process of elimination is Theriot. He’s been collecting all these ‘scrappy’ chits for a couple of seasons now, time to spend a few.
And remember, AJ will probably be behind the plate tomorrow and Sunday – so we got that going for us. ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jun 26, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about a pack of scrappy coming out with a roar?
Miles, Fontenot, Freel, Blanco, and Theriot….Fighting like a hundred infants without mercy…(A man can only take so many bites on the heel, afterall…)
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 26, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 27, 2009 7:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sullivan framed this right and he was very lucky to speak to Baggage before the incident
Betcha million bucks Sullivan doesn’t get another quote from him…
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jun 26, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's a great article.
He’s completely taking responsibility for himself.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 26, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
He’s being a martyr. There’s a difference Drew.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jun 26, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're right. There is a difference,
and he’s not being one. He’s saying “it’s hard to get people to like me when I don’t play well.”
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 26, 2009 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not gonna argue, but he's garnering attention for his "plight."
That, in my eyes, makes him a martyr. A better person just says “I am trying my best and that’s all I’m saying.” Why go whine to a reporter—and one with a history of overblowing things, for that matter.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jun 26, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
go whine? So you think Milton went to this guy with the sob story?
I don’t.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 26, 2009 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
earlier people were
bitching he wasn’t talking to the media.
I swear Cub fans just want to complain. If its not Milton it’s something else. Don’t go around blaming Milton, because he has been just how he has been his whole career. Blame the fat moron who signed him and that old man in the dugout who, most likely, had a big part in signing Milton.
Better yet, just watch some damn baseball and enjoy the fact we won today.
by Glacier on Jun 26, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It completely doesn't matter with Bradley
People will frame it in a negative light.
by Wreckard on Jun 26, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow...
I had the exact opposite reading. I don’t see him going for the martyr routine at all in that article.
He seems very clear that his poor play (which he says is his fault) is not helping him fit in (which he seems to understand is because he has a difficult personality).
I thought it was refreshing that he seemed to be putting the onus on himself…
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 26, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about the "woe is me, I have no friends here" stuff?
Players change teams all the time and have to build relationships. Bradley changes teams every year.
“I’m really not a guy who’s seeking any attention. I’m not seeking to be noted, like ‘Milton Bradley and the Chicago Cubs.’ I don’t want that. I just want to be part of a group and fit in and just love and be loved. That’s the basis of what I am.
If he doesn’t want attention, he signed with the wrong team.
If someone wants to fit in with a group, the responsibility is the individual’s to adapt to the group — not the group’s to adapt to the individual.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 27, 2009 7:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually
the responsibility is on both. A group must adapt to a new voice, and the new voice must adapt to the group.
I’m sure that Bradley knew there would be attention. I’m not sure he knew it would be like this.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 27, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So before we light the pyre...
Maybe we should….I dunno….wait until we understand what exactly happened?
I know, I know. This is crazy talk and all, but….
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 26, 2009 8:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Awww.
You’re ruining a perfectly good witch hunt.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 26, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hehe...
True. Sorry to be the wet-blanket :(
:)
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 26, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al, it's time to step up
And get a personal interview with Milton. If you can keep this group of manic depressives from destroying their own water bottles, you can settle MB down. Find out what he needs to make him happy and we’ll get it for him.
Give him some Cub love.
If you like Selig's handling of the steroid issue, you'll love his choice for next Cub owner.
by tharr on Jun 26, 2009 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can tell you this.
I know a reporter who was trying very hard to get such a personal interview for work he was doing (I won’t reveal the name or the work, but this is an actual, real reporter). He was credentialed for this, and one of the Cubs media relations people tried to help Bradley remember the promised times.
Bradley blew it off three or four times, result, it didn’t happen.
Milton Bradley is not a reliable person or a good teammate. Period. And I’d say that to his face if I ever met him.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 26, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're seriously going to do this again?
Didn’t you get shot down the last time you made a dumb claim like that? Ryan Theriot, Bobby Scales, Carlos Zambrano. Derrek Lee has said so.
Frank Thomas seems to like him:
http://www.nbcchicago.com/sports/baseball/Frank-Thomas-Has-Milton-Bradleys-Back.html
Don’t be too quick to judge Milton Bradley. The guy has a flare for the dramatic. He was a teammate of mine and I thoroughly enjoyed playing with him."
Frank Thomas isn’t gospel, but if he among many others is saying the same thing as his current teammates, I really have to think that there’s something to it. It’s easy for us to sit on our laptops/desktops and postulate as such without knowing anything.
You nor anyone has any clue what happened today. Until we know 110% what actually happened aside from some equipment being thrown around (which Marmol threw a fit too, by the way, so flame him all you want) after getting chewed out from Rothschild.
" I hate that lady , but would totally do her. So strange is this mind of mens." - Skisgaar Skwigelf
by Rage and Grace on Jun 26, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I speak purely of the 'teammate' comment
Milton Bradley is not a reliable person or a good teammate. Period. And I’d say that to his face if I ever met him.
Milton Bradley made 10 million dollars this year to give you something to talk about. Think he cares much?
" I hate that lady , but would totally do her. So strange is this mind of mens." - Skisgaar Skwigelf
by Rage and Grace on Jun 26, 2009 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soriano on Bradley
Asked to assess Bradley as a teammate, Soriano was blunt.
"He’s a great guy; the only problem is his attitude sometimes in the game," he said. "I think a lot of people don’t like that, but that’s him."
Rather neutral comment by Soriano, still positive overtone. Not that he’s an asshole in the clubhouse, that his ‘passion’ he commented on his very real.
Bradley is in the midst of a terrible, terrible slump. (His BABIP is nowhere near his career norm, he’ll turn around) The media isn’t ’helping anything by antagonizing every little thing.
" I hate that lady , but would totally do her. So strange is this mind of mens." - Skisgaar Skwigelf
by Rage and Grace on Jun 26, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice
Here we go again, making personal judgments about people we haven’t met.
by Pre on Jun 26, 2009 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In all fairness
It is rather ‘unreliable’ to blow someone off 3 or 4 times. We don’t know if there were any mitigating factors though. Six of one…….
" I hate that lady , but would totally do her. So strange is this mind of mens." - Skisgaar Skwigelf
by Rage and Grace on Jun 26, 2009 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It ain't cool...
…but I’ll add this, a lot of major league players do the same thing.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Jun 27, 2009 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is very true
" I hate that lady , but would totally do her. So strange is this mind of mens." - Skisgaar Skwigelf
by Rage and Grace on Jun 27, 2009 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey good point
I am sure all kinds of stuff goes on like this in baseball. At least him and Lou went into the clubhouse to deal with it instead of in the dugout in front of everybody.
by Glacier on Jun 26, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
After Bradley miscounted outs and tossed the ball in the stands
I thought it was over and he would be booed aka LaTroy Hawkins and the result would have been the same too. I didn’t see the result I thought and it appeared it would be OK……now this. Pull a Hundley trade and get rid of him.
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
by mrcubsfan on Jun 26, 2009 9:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You've all been fooled
This was a brilliant signing by Hendry. Think about it. Milton goes all Milton on the clubhouse and manager, and the team has a common enemy to rally against. He was signed to be an a**hole to bring the team closer together. At least that’s the only feasible reason I can think of to sign this guy…
"Let's not get giggly." - Lou
by tdubcub on Jun 26, 2009 10:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Apparently non-researched and unmitigated claims against players is the norm around here?
Oh and one more:
“He was upset that somebody that doesn’t know him was passing judgment on TV,” Daniels said. “The guy’s been a tremendous teammate for us, and it’s obvious he was hurt by those comments. That’s my understanding.”
Texas’ GM on Bradley
" I hate that lady , but would totally do her. So strange is this mind of mens." - Skisgaar Skwigelf
by Rage and Grace on Jun 26, 2009 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley might have come to the wrong town
If all he wants is to be loved. What love could ever overcome all the hatred BLou alone has for the man? I blaming BLou personally if the Cubs don’t make the playoffs. Doesn’t anyone on here have anything nice to say about Bradley? Sometimes I swear our negativity is somehow related to the team’s demise.
On that note, maybe someone could drop some PEDs in Bradley’s drink soon. Might get him to start hitting better, and when he gets banned for 50 games we can easily replace his lack of production in RF and chop off the third year of his contract in the process.
by BucknerKongCardenal on Jun 26, 2009 10:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
if nothing else
karma is a bitch.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 27, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My interpretation
of Milton Bradley is he’s incredibly insecure and immature. If you’re a grown man, and feel the overwhelming need to make friends, than you try and make friends. You don’t rely on other people to come up and start a relatoinship. I’m not in the clubhouse but I would feel safe wagering that he hasn’t helped himself one bit with his antics.
That article Sullivan wrote is seriously troubling. It is very clear that he has way too much on his mind. He may be focused on baseball, but he has way too many feelings clouding his play. If I’m on the Cubs I take that article in a negative way. I don’t think he makes the other players sound too welcoming. You think he would just be smart enough to say the right things and keep the negativeness to himself. I just don’t think he has the mental stability to play on this team. Everything he said in his welcoming press conference seems to be a bunch of bull.
Its too bad, because I think there is a side to Milton that we would all like. Just take a look at the last couple walk off wins. He’s the first guy in the pile, and is going crazy. I know its easier said than done, but Milton, just play ball man. Be as positive as you can be and you’ll be amazed at what that will do for you!
Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.
by TCobb1911 on Jun 26, 2009 10:52 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
You hit the nail on the head
This isn’t as clear cut as “Bradley’s an asshole” or “Bradley’s attacked too much by fans and media”. He’s clearly a very complicated, troubled, talented and confused guy. Does he have baggage? God, yes. But, as you stated, he also has a positive side, The guy seems to want to succeed with his teammates and the fans but, to borrow and old cliche’, he’s his own worst enemy.
It’s too bad the Cubs couldn’t talk him into getting some counseling-I know there are sports psychologists out there who specialize in things like this. i don’t hold out a lot of hope for that happening though; it seems like the ones who need help the most also tend to be more resistant to getting it.
Bottom line; we all better learn to live with him and hope for the best because he’s here for the next two years plus.
by bluekoolaide on Jun 27, 2009 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree...
…the dude is very insecure with himself, which is why he lashes out the way he does.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Jun 27, 2009 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley should copy what Soriano is doing for a while. Soriano isn’t playing so well either.
What confounds me is that this guy has played in the majors for a while and currently has a $20 or $30 million contract, so he’s rich. He should just go out and play the best that he can and cooperate.
I do think the media and fans can make things very difficult or make matters worse. Every player should be advised about exposure pressure and counseled when necessary.
Lou gets demoralized when the team isn’t winning. Outside of that, there shouldn’t be any continuing friction with Lou. He’s been managing too long to keep what Bradley does under his skin. His decision to not discipline is the right one because it is the better alternative to get Bradley over the hump on this. If he disrupts again, then they would have to do something. Winning is the cure for anything involving Lou.
by AboutTheCubs on Jun 27, 2009 1:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In an interview after
the game Derrek Lee defended Milton and his tantrum. He said he has no problem with the guys showing their anger at themselves. I have no idea how he actually feels about Milton but he did defend his right to show his emotions.
by sue369 on Jun 27, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two volatile guys
Lou and Milton might be the gasoline and fire analogy. They probably don’t fit well together.
by ak123 on Jun 27, 2009 3:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Continuing thought
Sorry didn’t mean to push post yet.
After a 4 game loss, Lou probably made a comment to Milton that wasn’t necessary. Bradley overreacted and as the manager, Lou sent him home. This was probably smart.
Everyone is acting appropriately because well we expected this to happen but I wouldn’t be surprised if tomorrow they mend their issues and everything is OK.
Personally I’d rather have Hoff or Fox in RF. I really don’t think we’re going to lose that much defense. If anything, we’ll lose a little patience at the plate and a walk or two in opportune times (not that Bradley has delivered that often).
by ak123 on Jun 27, 2009 3:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
except
that’s not what happened. Lou went of on Bradley, and Bradley responded with restraint.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 27, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
I didn’t see the moment yet so I was guessing how it went down. I’ve been watching ESPNews for a while but they havent shown it.
by ak123 on Jun 27, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it happened
in the clubhouse. No one’s going to see it. It was reported.
Lou has apologized. See http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2009/6/27/927723/death-taxes-and-mb-complaining
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 27, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bullshit!!!
Everything is not going to be OK. Bradleys play is draging the whole team down. Hendrys off season mistakes are rearing their ugly heads. Is there any deal that he made in the off season that has paid off yet?
by montecarlo on Jun 27, 2009 4:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
right because
Bradley is the only one not hitting or making errors. o.0
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 27, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny
Lou did not “send” Zambrano home early after his tirade.
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"
by wild bill on Jun 27, 2009 7:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Plus Lou himself was known for tirades after bad at-bats, etc.
At first it sounds a bit like a double standard. I assume the difference between say, Bradley and Z, is that its been happening fairly regularly with Bradley and that, coupled with the frustration over the general offensive draught, has caused tempers to be a little bit shorter than usual.
by bluekoolaide on Jun 27, 2009 7:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no. it happens with Z fairly regularly. Z acts like a child all the time and gets away with this.
by Glacier on Jun 27, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus
Z was arguing a call on the field not his own personal performance…
100 years would have been nice, but 101 years still has a nice ring to it.
by airweino on Jun 27, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Lou was talking
about putting a stop to the players damaging the coolers and Z did major damage to the cooler.
by sue369 on Jun 27, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel that is
when Lou should have put a stop to these tantrums.
by sue369 on Jun 27, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What to do about Bradley?
If he owns up to what happened yesterday, put him in the lineup and hope that his bat will wake up. He certainly would have a lot to prove to Lou, to his teammates and to management.
But, if he blames Lou for what happened yesterday, get rid of him NOW!
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Jun 27, 2009 9:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lou already said
He will be back in the lineup today.
"Check the magic of a winning season and there are always reasons beyond the talent." Ned Colleti
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jun 27, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even better would be for
us to be stuck with his terrible play, antics, and demeanor while watching St. Louis add Matt Holliday….
Maybe we can make Bradley a part of a deal for Holliday…is Billy Beane that dumb?
100 years would have been nice, but 101 years still has a nice ring to it.
by airweino on Jun 27, 2009 12:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If the A's are going to trade Holliday
They’re not going to want a 32 year old trouble maker. They’re going to want young prospects.
"Check the magic of a winning season and there are always reasons beyond the talent." Ned Colleti
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jun 27, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley already played for Beane and the A's
and Bradley had a lot of harsh things to say about Beane. I repeat what I posted earlier, there is ZERO chance Beane wants Bradley back.
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Jun 28, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least he cares...
Yeah, so he got pissed off yesterday and was sent home. To be honest…GOOD. He’s annoyed with himself and he should be. I’d rather see that kind of passion out of a player (ok, maybe he went a little too far with his antics) than someone who just doesn’t care.
by 10 14 23 26 on Jun 27, 2009 1:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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