Bullpen Fails Again In 8-7 Cubs Loss To White Sox
by Al on Jun 27, 2009 8:23 PM CDT
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Milton Bradley said he'd be "surprised" if he didn't have a good game today. Well, surprise, Milton. He had a single in five at-bats and reached on an error in another AB. And before I get to the bullpen meltdown which gave the White Sox an 8-7 win over the Cubs, I'm going to say some words in defense of Milton.
I spent a lot of time watching him today. During batting practice he was taking his turn in the cage, then each time he left, he picked up a rather long conversation he was having with Ryan Theriot. It seemed as if both were interested in what the other was saying; I have no idea about the content, but Milton was engaged with a teammate, and then during the game I saw him clapping his hands happily after Derrek Lee drove in the second run of the third inning, tying the game.
It's clear to me this: that Milton Bradley does have a great passion for winning baseball games, for succeeding at his craft, and is at the very least supportive of his teammates. All of this may be, paradoxically, his great failing -- because he's trying far too hard. I think Milton puts too much pressure on himself to succeed, and as he was quoted as saying yesterday, he's the kind of guy who wants to do his job quietly and then go home. That simply isn't possible with the Chicago Cubs and because he has such a large contract. The expectations -- whether realistic or not -- are probably too much for someone of Milton's personality. I actually feel badly for him, as he's probably not in the right situation for him. I still hope he does turn things around and hit the way he did last year, for that would be good news for the Cubs.
Now, on to the failures of today, which had nothing to do with Milton (although, he did leave two runners stranded in the eighth inning). The Cub offense kept generating runs, allowing the team to overcome 2-0, 5-3 and 7-6 deficits. This is good -- especially when some of the offense came from Andres Blanco, who's not in the game for his hitting, and Alfonso Soriano, who is showing signs of coming out of his slump.
The bullpen was horrendous today. Ryan Dempster didn't have one of his better games, but when he left after the top of the sixth, the Cubs had given him a 6-5 lead and the chance at a win. Aaron Heilman disposed of that quickly by giving up a long triple to the .193-hitting DeWayne Wise and an RBI single to Scott Podsednik, who tortured Cub pitching all day by going 4-for-5. Sure, Heilman wound up striking out five in his two innings, but it took some more shoddy defense by the White Sox, who made three errors, to give the Cubs the lead back in the top of the 8th.
Carlos Marmol -- and I think we all have to agree, something's got to be wrong with him -- coughed the lead right back up. In his one inning of work he at least threw strikes today (18 in 26 pitches), but the slider wasn't working and he didn't strike out anyone.
But the worst offense was committed by Lou. When he put Sean Marshall in to start the ninth inning, I thought, "Good! We're set for two or three innings, especially since you don't have to worry about his batting order slot coming up." But no -- Lou used Marshall, as he's used him almost since he went to the bullpen, as a LOOGY, facing lefties Jim Thome and A. J. Pierzynski (who he retired) and Paul Konerko, who hit a looper into LF for a single. Hey, Lou: Sean Marshall has been a starting pitcher, in case you hadn't noticed, and can retire both lefthanded and righthanded hitter. Instead, Lou yanked him after only eight pitches and went to Jose Ascanio after Jayson Nix was announced as a PH. Jayson Nix, who is hitting .219 and who came into this game 1-for-8 in his career as a PH. You don't think Sean Marshall could have retired this guy, Lou?
Ascanio walked him and then gave up the game-winning single, a fly ball that Milton Bradley almost did catch up with in right-center field to force extra innings.
We talk about the Cubs needing a bat and they do, and I think they will go after someone in the next couple of weeks. But this bullpen is an utter mess. Only Angel Guzman was throwing well, and he's a week away from returning -- though I did see him shagging flies in left field during BP and throwing balls in with seemingly no trouble. I don't know if there's help available at Iowa -- other than Jeff Stevens, I'd say probably not -- or if there could be help available simply by Lou not misusing Sean Marshall.
This series is still winnable and I like tomorrow's pitching matchup. Final notes: the loss dropped the Cubs' record in one-run games to 11-14. The 25 one-run games is tied with the Brewers for most in the NL and only the Mariners, who have played 32, have more. And, do you think the White Sox had Jake Fox scoped out today or what? He went 0-for-5, all five at-bats resulting in a fly ball to center field.
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This was a weird one, Al
You got the feeling the White Sox would win simply because they had the last at-bat. It was almost like a tennis match, with the back and forth.
I agree that Marshall should have stayed in the game. I think Marmol pitched pretty well but got a couple of bad breaks. A bloop single and a seeing-eye one. Seems like a lot of the breaks the Cubs were catching last year, they aren’t this year. But you also make your own breaks, to a large extent.
A typical game for this series, however. And this road trip has been a nail-biter all the way. Every game has been decided by one or two runs. If the Cubs win Sunday and sweep at Pittsburgh — entirely possible scenarios — it’ll be a 5-5 trip, and I’d be grateful for that.
But it would be nice to have a relaxing game, either way, for once.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 27, 2009 8:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
As was discussed in the overflow thread after the loss...
… Cubs have now lost 11 games in the last at bat. Ouch.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jun 27, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Curious
How many have they won in their last at-bat? Might not be quite 11, but I’d be surprised if it isn’t a decent number
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 27, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
14. In the last paragraph of the article above.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jun 27, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's 1-run games
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 27, 2009 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And so it is.
My bad. 11 one run losses and 11 games lost in the last at bat.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jun 27, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A win Sunday would be great.
That’d make two series wins in the last three, a nice base to build on. As I said, I like tomorrow’s pitching matchup.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 27, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1 for 5 for MB isn't entirely fair.
The error he reached on was a coin toss for a hit. Home field scoring may have robbed him of a 2 for 5 afternoon.
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by AndrewJStone on Jun 27, 2009 8:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He also hit a sharp liner with two RISP
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 27, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
if that runner at third hadn’t been there, it might have gone through.
But coulda woulda shoulda only counts in horseshoes and hand-grenades. I do think he should be 2-5.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 27, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed
But the AB’s encouraged me
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 27, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't really understand what's going on with Marshall
Wouldn’t it make sense to use him in a situation like the 6th (or even 5th) inning and have him pitch a couple of innings? It seems like as a starter, he’s best when used for long-ish periods of time.
Or why not just switch him with Rich Harden? It almost feels like sacrilege to say such a thing, but let’s take a look at Harden as a pitcher. He’s fragile, when he’s on he’s unhittable, but even when he was amazing last year he seemed to never get past the 6th inning. In a situation where you have 6 starters, wouldn’t be be the best candidate for the bullpen? And given his lack of durability and the fact that he manages to throw 90 pitches in 5 innings even when pitching a shutout, couldn’t he be even better in the bullpen? Meanwhile, Marshall is a pitcher known for his steadiness over periods of innings, not a guy you put in to get one to three batters out. Am I missing something here, besides any political reasoning?
by msquared10 on Jun 27, 2009 8:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
id prefer him to be the closer
by jesus christos on Jun 27, 2009 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it takes him
too long to get warmed up.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 27, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
An acid flashback
I’m sure Drew didn’t mean it as such, but this is eerily reminiscent of why Dusty didn’t bring Matt Clement into Game 7 of the 2003 NLCS.
I know, I know…“get over it”. But, boy, it sure stings every time I see that we were leading 5-3 after four innings of that game.
by CaliCub on Jun 27, 2009 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is not a closer
He is a starter who can do long relief.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 27, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lou's managing of the 'pen never makes sense
Fox said today that this is the 7th appearence in the last 8 games for Marshall.
Really stuff like that scares me.
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
by Allie on Jun 27, 2009 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that answers the question as to why Marshall
was pulled from the game.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jun 28, 2009 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Surprised there was no mention of DeRosa in the reacap...
… during the game somebody mentioned he didn’t play today (with no reason announced) and that he was spending an inordinate amount of time on his cell phone. All hearsay, and i’ve haven’t seen anything on mlbtraderumors.com, but the easy assumption was he’s being moved.
Any word?
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by AndrewJStone on Jun 27, 2009 8:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting.
Being at the game, of course, I had heard none of this. The Indians are playing at home tonight, so he could easily get to Chicago early tomorrow.
I’d be inordinately thrilled if he became a Cub by tomorrow.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 27, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it was in the game thread
The manager wouldn’t explain why Dero wasn’t in the lineup and he was in the clubhouse making calls while the rest of the team was stretching.
by Pre on Jun 27, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm.
It could be anything, but one logical conclusion is that he was trying to figure out logistics for moving to another team.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 27, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i read somewhere (forget where can find link if needed) that the chicago tribune confirmed that the cubs were asking about dero this morning
by jesus christos on Jun 27, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was in the Tribune and Sun-Times both this morning.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 27, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, don't get my hopes up.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 27, 2009 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To recap
Indians radio announcer Tom Hamilton said, right before the first pitch, that DeRo was not in the lineup, that no one would give a reason, he is not injured, and he was in the clubhouse making phone calls while everyone else was on the field stretching. Hamilton’s opinion was that DeRo had been notified that he had been traded but that the team would make no announcement until after the game.
For the record, Anthony Castrovince, the Indians beat reporter for MLB.com wrote on his blog that it was a standard day off for DeRo.
The thing that smells fishy to me is that DeRo didn’t stretch with his teammates. Being on the field for stretching and BP is usually mandatory for all uninjured players except the SP.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Jun 27, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very shaky source...
…but my buddy, big Cards fan, said that they were dangling Ludwick. I refuse to believe they would do that, but I guarantee the Indians would jump at that deal.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 27, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can Ludwick pitch?
If not, the Indians would not want him. They are looking for young pitching. I think that Ludwick is being dangled for Holliday.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Jun 27, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. The cards have been chasing him all year. If Ludwick moves in the immediate future, its for Holliday.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jun 27, 2009 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which scares me, because I'm afraid that we've traded Randy if we have indeed gotten Dero
by Pre on Jun 27, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just wonderin'...
Would Spellcheck waive his NTC to go to the Indians? They have openings in the ML rotation, and Jeff appears to have been passed by Randy Wells. Maybe a fresh start would be good for him.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Jun 27, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus he might be able to get an off-season job playing catch...
…with his ol’ buddy, Brady Quinn! ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jun 27, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doubt it. He wants to
be in Chicago because his family is close by.
by sue369 on Jun 27, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Put their needs asside.
You really don’t think the Indians JUMP at a DeRo for Ludwick trade?
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 27, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where would they play him?
Grady Sizemore is their CF.
Shin-Soo Choo, one of the best kept secrets in baseball, is in RF.
They are moving Matt LaPorta to 1B because they are so high on 21 year old Michael Brantley, who is at AAA, for LF.
They aren’t going anywhere this year. Why would they want an injury-prone arb-eligible OF who has only had one good year?
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Jun 27, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Point taken.
I stand corrected. It’s not often you read on here someone say, I change my mind and agree with you. Well, I change my mind and agree with you.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 27, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kudos to you for doing that.
It takes a man to admit his mistakes… Wait, I’m reading too many Ozzie quotes. :-)
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 27, 2009 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No problem.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Jun 27, 2009 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indians are set with their position players for the most part.
They need pitching, pure and simple. Put Marshall together with an inconsistent minor league power arm and the deal gets done.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jun 27, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marshall for a one year rental?
I agree that would get the deal done, but you wouldn’t honestly make that move would you? We aren’t THAT desperate!
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 27, 2009 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yech. Agreed.
Think what we got for DeRo. Then reconsider.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jun 27, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And...
people are forgetting that the prospects we got for DeRo were looking pretty good. Haven’t seen numbers recently, but the Cubs front office gets shit for holding on for guys too long and not having a farm system. Then when they try to sell high, it bites them in the ass. 4 years from now we could very well be looking back and saying, Mark Who?
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 27, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a Cub fan, no I would not do that deal.
But from an Indians’ perspective, I was suggesting a scenario in which the deal would get done.
I think if/when DeRo gets traded, you’ll see a Marshall-like arm be a prime component of the deal.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jun 27, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perez....I wouldn't put him on the Marshall level.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 27, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
tough to compare since Perez is a reliever and Marshall is a starter.
Even though their bullpen blows, I’m a little surprised they went after a reliever as the main part of the deal. Initial reports from the Cardinals SBN are mixed. Guess Perez and Motte were their two young power arms of the future.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jun 27, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Motte is definitely the better arm.
They got the upside there I guess…
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 27, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please note
that Hamilton did not make any mention of potential destinations — except jokingly about the Reds (whom the Indians are playing tonight).
He did seem adamant that he did not believe that DeRo had an injury.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Jun 27, 2009 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If something does happen,
it won’t be announced until both the Indians and the team to which he is going are finished for the night. The Indians are playing right now.
MLBTR won’t post anything until there is an official announcement.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Jun 27, 2009 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is this?
Some MLB/players association rule?
by JFCubFan on Jun 27, 2009 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is most teams' policy...
They can’t announce a trade before everyone involved (which may include minor leaguers unless they are PTBNLs) is notified; if some of the guys played day games, they might be harder to reach. If they havn’t notified everyone by game time, most teams won’t make that type of announcement during a game.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Jun 27, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the problems with Milton are almost exclusively based on the pressure he's facing here in Chicago
He had a really smooth spring when there wasn’t too much of a spotlight on him, and then he started the season with a rough patch. He was really put under the microscope after that, and he hasn’t been able to hit this whole time. He’s really is trying too hard.
by Pre on Jun 27, 2009 8:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly what I said in the recap.
And, I don’t think that pressure is likely to change, do you?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 27, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, and that's the bad part
Which is why I’m really, really hoping that DeRo is a Cub tomorrow, because I think it would help take some of the spotlight away from Milton.
by Pre on Jun 27, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely true.
I sure hope this rumor turns out to be true.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 27, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Saint becomes a Cub again,
I’ll wish him well, but I think his more fervent followers are setting themselves up for disappointment. I don’t think he’s going to make that much of a difference.
My take on the outpouring of support for him still stands. Mass hysteria comes to mind. I just hope the whole thing is over, soon.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 27, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Word.
Talk about high expectations! Cubs fans EVERYWHERE would expect Saint Mark to ride in on a white horse and save the game. Remember he is a good player, but not a great player.
BTW, your avatar has my vote as the best of the year….
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 27, 2009 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Got to thank Clutch16 for that
Truly, he is a Photoshop wizard.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 27, 2009 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But at least everyone would be focused on Dero
And not Milton. DeRo seems like he can handle the pressure a little better, not to knock Milton.
by Pre on Jun 27, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe.
But you know how Cubs fans are. They’d expect too much IMO.
With that being said, what exactly would be DeRo’s role on this team be? Fox seems to be okay at third. I suppose he could play 2b, but his defense would be a downgrade from Blanco As I’m typing this “out-loud” I guess super utility comes to mind.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 27, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right.
The downgrade defensively should be made up offensively.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 27, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So far, I like what Fox has shown at 3B
Although he doesn’t have the same versatility
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 27, 2009 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hope so too. i dont like milton bradley but i really dont like watching people struggle as much as he has especially when they have the capabilities of being a beast (offense wise not anger wise)
by jesus christos on Jun 27, 2009 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahah milton is a beast
offen$e plea$e wake up
by lexmarklover on Jun 27, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
anger wise that is
offen$e plea$e wake up
by lexmarklover on Jun 27, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
God I hope DeRosa is coming back.
What a spark he’d give this team, both on the field and off.
by kanderber on Jun 27, 2009 9:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Imagine
the standing O he would get at Wrigley for his first AB if he was traded back
by cubbiepride on Jun 27, 2009 9:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It would cause me to retch,
but if he hit .300 and led the Cubs to the World Series, I suppose I could live with it.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 27, 2009 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Retch? Really?
I know your feelings about DeRo, but I didn’t think they were anti-DeRo….?
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 27, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's gone over the edge on this topic
Which is too bad, because he seems knowledgable.
I agree with him that it’s talked about to death, but . . .
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 27, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've stayed away from it because it seemed unrealistic
But I’m willing to talk about it now that it may actually be happening.
by Pre on Jun 27, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'm with you on that
I was willing to talk about the trade itself and how he would have helpded during the last two months . . . others weren’t.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 27, 2009 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only people going "over the edge"
are … well, I don’t want to get into it again. But the tooth-gnashing over this guy, of all the players the Cubs have had, is astounding and mind-boggling.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 27, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely. But you'd like to see dero in blue pin-stripes tomorrow.
Right? Not being snakry, honest question.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 27, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frankly, I'd like to see someone
who is younger with a bigger upside. Give me Freddy Sanchez or Aubrey Huff and I’d be quite content.
DeRosa? Been there, done that. It’s like going back to your old college campus after you graduated.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 27, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No argument there
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 27, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha love the college campus reference.
I will take issue with Aubrey Huff. They are essentially the same age and one is more useful than the other.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 27, 2009 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, thank god for you (and the rest of us that are just tired of it at Peavy / Roberts level), we may know more soon.
I’ve been a proponent for him as a cub all along. I agree the build up too it has been out of control.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jun 27, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not trying to start something - and I'm not interested in a fight
But for the last three-four weeks, you’ve reacted like a wizard hearing “Voldemort” when someone has said anything at all about him.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 27, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because it never ends, Shanghai
Rick Morrissey’s column last week said exactly how I feel about it. I swear, there wasn’t this much angst about Maddux leaving the Cubs. And that was much worse and had a negative impact on this franchise for years to come.
If indeed the Cubs get DeRosa, and if they had to give up Randy Wells to get him, I will be supremely pissed.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 27, 2009 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, that is too high a price to pay considering what we got for DeRo.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jun 27, 2009 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if we were able to ship ascanio or patton over for dero, id be fine but wells is a little too much
by jesus christos on Jun 27, 2009 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
KEEP RANDY WELLS.
I give him two more quality starts before I start my man-crush.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 27, 2009 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe because DeRo is a true legendary baller
offen$e plea$e wake up
by lexmarklover on Jun 27, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shot caller.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jun 27, 2009 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Twenty inch blades on the Impala
offen$e plea$e wake up
by lexmarklover on Jun 27, 2009 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
50% of the people on here won't get that...
20 inch rims, on the Impala….
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 27, 2009 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather see the Cubs improve the bullpen, anyway
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 27, 2009 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gregg, Marmol, Patton, Hart and Ascanio for Nathan. Straight up.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jun 27, 2009 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope he's ready to pitch....
3 to 4 innings every night. :)
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 27, 2009 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would be pretty mad too.
offen$e plea$e wake up
by lexmarklover on Jun 27, 2009 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
6-4 Giants
Bottom of 9th, 1 out
offen$e plea$e wake up
by lexmarklover on Jun 27, 2009 9:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
6-5
2 on 1 out
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 27, 2009 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I said in the post game thread...
Have no fear Cubs fans. My gf (big Sox fan) has been to 3 crosstown classic games.
Aramis walkoff.
Soriano walkoff.
Fridays win.
We have Z going tomorrow, we’ll be fine. And no I don’t believe in jinxes…
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 27, 2009 9:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Get her tickets for all future Crosstown Classic games.
As a good cubs fan and good boyfriend, its the only real option.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jun 27, 2009 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
She said yesterday that she refuses to go to anymore games.....
…..after Sunday. :)
Z is going to be great tomorrow, write it down.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 27, 2009 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um 6-6 Brewers Giants
Still batting with runner on 2nd and one out. Jeez Brian WIlson is having problems
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 27, 2009 9:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
this could not be happening. Giants suck and now Brewers tie it up
offen$e plea$e wake up
by lexmarklover on Jun 27, 2009 9:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Re-read what you just wrote...
“this could not be happening. Giants suck”……
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 27, 2009 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brewers Win
3 in the bottom on the 9th UGH
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 27, 2009 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They can hit with anyone
But I still refuse to believe that
Their pitching will hold up
McGehee will continue to hit like he has
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 27, 2009 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW. Brewers win.
pigs fly. Brian Wilson sucks.
offen$e plea$e wake up
by lexmarklover on Jun 27, 2009 9:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the tension is overwhelming.
offen$e plea$e wake up
by lexmarklover on Jun 27, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, Indians, hurry up and get outs for petes sake
by JFCubFan on Jun 27, 2009 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't feed the troll....
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 27, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it just me or.....
was this game pretty similar last years Cubs Sox game 2 at the cell. Last years Cell game 2 was a similar back and forth affair, with subpar starting pitching performances for each team. Just a random thought I had while watching the game today.
Also, what is dempster’s deal this year. I know that his ERA is respectable, and he hasn’t gotten alot of run support, but this year he is very frustrating to watch. It seems like in most of his starts his command is terrible, and he ends up throwing like 100+ pitches in only 5 or 6 innings. Not only does this wear on our bullpen, but I’d imagine that it is hard for the position players to stay sharp watching him continuously labor on the mound.
If the playoffs started today, and (BIG) if, the cubs were in it, Dempster is the fourth or fifth starter in my book, which is a long fall from him starting game 1 last year!
"If you're scared, go buy a dog" - Stacey King
by hackerar on Jun 27, 2009 9:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i suggested in the overflow throw they put him on a phantom DL stint so he can spend time with his family
by jesus christos on Jun 27, 2009 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone smarter than me will know...
would this classify as bereavement? Could the Cubs replace him on the 25 man roster?
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 27, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it if it was going to go in that direction, it likely would have happened long ago.
His daughter is out of the hospital and he said he’d “slept better in the last three nights than he had in the three months prior”. Hopefully everything should be on the upswing with him on the personal side now, and hopefully his on field performance will follow.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jun 27, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agrred on Dempster...
Looking back, I was all for resigning him. However, when I heard it was for $52 million dollars, I was stunned. Especially after his start in the playoffs, granted the whole team sucked, but you get my point. How many pitchers, and position players for that matter, have had huge years in their walk years?
Mike Hampton, Chan Ho Park, Adrian Beltre, Kevin Brown,
by cubfanwill on Jun 27, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really get frustrated...
…watching him pitch at times. He has such good stuff, but too often he just doesn’t have any command of his pitches. I couldn’t believe how many hitters counts there was today (2-0 & 3-1). You can’t make a living like that, and will eventually get hurt.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Jun 27, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Regarding the previous DeRosa rumor
Does anyone have anything to suggest it would be the Cubs he would be coming back to? Or are do we just think he has been traded, and hope it was back to the Cubs?
by JimboJet on Jun 27, 2009 9:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the latter
"How's your mother?"
"She's on her way out."
"We all are. Act accordingly."
by louslovechild on Jun 27, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The latter, but AT THE RIGHT PRICE.
We know they want young pitching. If Wells goes, i’m going to be horribly disappointed.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jun 27, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
as will i because wells will really never get another win if he goes to cleveland
by jesus christos on Jun 27, 2009 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there was mention of the Cubs talking to the Indians about DeRo
but nothing else
offen$e plea$e wake up
by lexmarklover on Jun 27, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No.
Tom Hamilton merely said that all evidence pointed to the fact that DeRo had been notified he had been traded.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Jun 27, 2009 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't know he'd been notified...thanks for the update.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 27, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mark Shapiro is on the air...
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Jun 27, 2009 9:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
if they trade him to the cards something bad will happen
by jesus christos on Jun 27, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that is something you need to legitimately prepare for
"How's your mother?"
"She's on her way out."
"We all are. Act accordingly."
by louslovechild on Jun 27, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doubt it. Who are they giving up?
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jun 27, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Perez, Colby Rasmus, young talent
"How's your mother?"
"She's on her way out."
"We all are. Act accordingly."
by louslovechild on Jun 27, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way they give up Colby
As DeRomyhero said earlier, they don’t need outfielders.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 27, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They need a 2B or a 3B
They can move Ankiel back to CF, put Schumaker in LF, Dero at 2B or 3B
"How's your mother?"
"She's on her way out."
"We all are. Act accordingly."
by louslovechild on Jun 27, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Indians.....
Ramus is the real deal and the Cards aren’t giving him up regardless.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 27, 2009 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh.
You win.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jun 27, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think i'm gonna break all my fingers and then try to break my nose
offen$e plea$e wake up
by lexmarklover on Jun 27, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do the nose first.
You’ll need your hands for that.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jun 27, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good call
offen$e plea$e wake up
by lexmarklover on Jun 27, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ANYHING??
"How's your mother?"
"She's on her way out."
"We all are. Act accordingly."
by louslovechild on Jun 27, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DeRo has been traded to the Cards
for Chris Pérez and a PTBNL.
DeRo had mixed feelings about being dealt.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Jun 27, 2009 9:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Serious?
Greg Maddux could put a baseball through a Life Saver if you asked him. ~ Joe Morgan
by Sioux City Cubs Fan on Jun 27, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Link?
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 27, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just listened to the Mark Shapiro press conference.
"I've never complained about it. I'm thankful to have a jersey." Mark DeRosa, 22 Aug 2007
by DeRoMyHero on Jun 27, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
offen$e plea$e wake up
by lexmarklover on Jun 27, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm sorry
offen$e plea$e wake up
by lexmarklover on Jun 27, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
People are gonna be GRUMPY around here tomorrow.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jun 27, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Time for me to take a BCB break haha
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 27, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
very true....
aaarrrggggggggghhhhhhhhh!!!
Stupid Jim! Stupid, stupid, stupid JIM!!!
Greg Maddux could put a baseball through a Life Saver if you asked him. ~ Joe Morgan
by Sioux City Cubs Fan on Jun 27, 2009 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stupid would have been giving up Wells or Marshall, as had been suggested here.
I’m sad he’s not a cub. I’m indignant he ended up with the cards. But at least there weren’t any rash trades made to damage the future of this team’s pitching staff just to save face.
A very VERY thin silver lining.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jun 27, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
True.
But we are also going to have to endure another “welcome back Mark DeRosa” day when the Cards come to Chicago in a few weeks.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 27, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't even think about that
Oh, Lord, not again.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 27, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big difference
Indians are not our main rival like the Cards are. Now that he is on the Cards I doubt many Cub fans wants him to do well anymore.
by LT on Jun 27, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yabbut what about BCB....?
Over or under 7 posts…
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 27, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, there's already three FanPosts on Viva El Birdos
plus one on the main page, so that’s four total over there.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jun 27, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good for them. They should be excited.
My buddy, Cards fan, said he’s happy because he’d rather have DeRo than Holliday. I agreed.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 27, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Might end up with both.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jun 27, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't think so. They would trade Ludwick and another young pitcher
i think that’s too high of a price.
offen$e plea$e wake up
by lexmarklover on Jun 27, 2009 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously grumpy
Wonder if Hendry ever envisioned this turn of events when he sent DeRo packing?
by JFCubFan on Jun 27, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course not.
If he did, we wouldn’t have sent him away. Don’t forget the prospects we got have looked good so far…
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 27, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Derosa to Cards
Derosa to Cards.
"Cubs Win!!"
by northofwrigley on Jun 27, 2009 9:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe they gave up Perez, and that's it.
offen$e plea$e wake up
by lexmarklover on Jun 27, 2009 9:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely.
He’s the enemy now.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 27, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am sad tonight.
Jimbo, what have you been doing?
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Jun 27, 2009 9:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Scouring the internet for discount bulk lots of gatoraid coolers.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jun 27, 2009 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW, I agree with your post above that we shouldn't have given up Wells or Marshall...
but the Cards gave up so little for him….sheesh….
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Jun 27, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if they took him for that i wonder what hendry was offering
by jesus christos on Jun 27, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perez is a nice arm
just what the Tribe’s bullpen needs. He isn’t insignificant.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 27, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah but considering about every team in the league wants dero youd think theyd ask for more than 1 pitcher
by jesus christos on Jun 27, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perez supposedly is the Cards' No. 3 prospect overall
That and a PTBNL seems like too much for half a season of DeRo.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 27, 2009 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
eh
he was a busted closer. I don’t think the Cards gave up too much. I would have sent Ascanio and Patton AND a PTBNL for DeRosa, but I also think we would have been able to sign him to a longer deal.
Bah. I don’t think this is a huge game changer, but it would have been nice to have him back.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 27, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ha.
Thanks. I needed that laugh.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 27, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is what Hendry gets for trading him in the first place
offen$e plea$e wake up
by lexmarklover on Jun 27, 2009 10:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
wonder how hell be treated when the cards come to town
by jesus christos on Jun 27, 2009 10:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i would boo him. he's on the other team now.
offen$e plea$e wake up
by lexmarklover on Jun 27, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't care
offen$e plea$e wake up
by lexmarklover on Jun 27, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not his fault
he got traded to the Cardinals. He has no say in the deal. You know in his heart he wanted to stay a Cub.
by sue369 on Jun 27, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm not booing him because him per say
i would boo him because he is a cardinal. I don’t have anything against him. It’s just the team he will be playing for.
offen$e plea$e wake up
by lexmarklover on Jun 27, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How will he know
you don’t have anything against him when you are booing him? Can’t you just not like the Cardinals without booing DeRo?
by sue369 on Jun 27, 2009 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think he would know
as a Indian- cheers that could be heard from China
as a Cardinal- boos
Assumption would be that the booing is caused because of his team. He should know that from the weekend with the Indians, Cubs fan respect him. They still do.
offen$e plea$e wake up
by lexmarklover on Jun 27, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they respect him they
should not boo him period. Unless of course they want to act like a ten year old.
by sue369 on Jun 27, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Booing doesn't make you ten years old.
that’s stupid.
offen$e plea$e wake up
by lexmarklover on Jun 27, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Booing is strictly a function of the crowd
and is not intended as motivation/intimidation for players. It’s an emotional expression and nothing more. Its limits are designed to go no further than the seat of the person making the noise.
Short of jumping or throwing things onto the field – which I certainly don’t condone – nothing that a ballpark crowd does can make a player perform better or worse. As far as players that say the contrary? Quite honestly, I don’t think they’re being intellectually honest.
by CaliCub on Jun 27, 2009 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Booing a player
(especially a player well liked by fans from one of his former teams) because he is on another team is stupid. It does not make you ten years old it makes you act ten years old.
by sue369 on Jun 28, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and yet you cheer for a player, right?
why do you cheer? To express your pleasure with the effort/results, right? So when you’re displeased with the effort/result, you do nothing? I’ve seen plenty of ‘poop’ from you here to know that you’re not a do-nothing person.
So I guess I don’t get why you think there’s something wrong with booing. Not personal attacks, insults, slurs, etc. Just a nice long sonorous “booooooo…”
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jun 28, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was going to boo
DeRosa because he will be in a Cardinal uniform…that’s it. If you think that’s ok then I don’t know what to say.
I just don’t boo. Saying poop on a blog is different than booing in person at a sporting event. Booing doesn’t change a damn thing.
by sue369 on Jun 28, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ahh... ok, I didn't catch that part the first time.
but your not booing rationale continues to pique my curiosity. Of course booing doesn’t change a damn thing. But neither does typing “poop” on a blog, does it? And if booing doesn’t change a thing, then there’s no harm in it, is there?
I understand that you and many others just don’t boo. What I don’t understand is why all the negativity towards those who do. And again, let me be clear – I’m talking about garden variety rated-G “booing”. If one gets into insults, slurs and other nasty things, that’s a whole nother story and the line has most certainly been crossed.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jun 28, 2009 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No typing poop
on a blog does not change anything but then I’m not yelling it at any players either. I would never do that just like I would never boo. The players know when they aren’t playing well so they don’t need me to boo them to remind them. We disagree on booing.
by sue369 on Jun 28, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kerry Wood must be
the loneliest man in Cleveland tonight.
"You have to have short-term memory, no matter who you are in this game. There's always tomorrow." ~Derrek Lee
by Goodie1969 on Jun 27, 2009 10:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I was thinking that too.
He’s a big boy and all, but it has to suck to lose his last connection to the Cubs…
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 27, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am going to Wrigley on July 11th..and will see Derosa in a cards uni..Shoot me now
by cubbiepride on Jun 27, 2009 10:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and he'll suck just like he did in the Indians serious.
BFD.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 27, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guess you won't give him a hand this time around...
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jun 27, 2009 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, my Cardinals buddy sitting next to me at work
says he hates the deal, because he hates to lose Perez for a half-season rental of DeRosa, who also doesn’t thrill him.
I’m just glad it’s over. If you think this gives the Cards the division, the door is to your left.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 27, 2009 10:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
True, if there is any consolation....
… it weakens the Cards in the long term.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jun 27, 2009 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
This guy is pretty high on Perez. In fact, he’s grousing about the deal as I type this. Interesting reaction, to say the least.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 27, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously your buddy isn't aware that Mark DeRosa is the MVP of any team he is on.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jun 27, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously your buddy isn’t aware that Mark DeRosa is theMVPlord and savior of any team he is on.
by jesus christos on Jun 27, 2009 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen to that. Praise DeRo.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jun 27, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jun 28, 2009 2:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He doesnt give them the division, but he fills some definite needs on that team
He will play instead of Thurston at 3B. That team is a hell of a lot deeper now. Thurston can be used for a pinch runner or PH instead of an everyday player. The Cards are deeper than we are, but don’t have the pitching we do (minus the pen). They are a hell of a better team now. Better than the Brewers, they already were, better than the Cubs, they already were. I want you the Cubs to win, I want them to play better than they have been, but at the end of the day, this team does not look as good, play as good as the Cardinals have been playing. Maybe that is Pujol’s 28HR and 80RBI’s, but that is how i see it.
"How's your mother?"
"She's on her way out."
"We all are. Act accordingly."
by louslovechild on Jun 27, 2009 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
**the Cubs, not "...you the Cubs"
"How's your mother?"
"She's on her way out."
"We all are. Act accordingly."
by louslovechild on Jun 27, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see the Cards play all the time
and it’s Pujols. Believe me, it ain’t much more than that.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 27, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And
They have only one fewer loss than the Cubs. They aren’t that good.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 27, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has more RBI's than....
our entire outfield, and the left side of our infield combined!!!! It is hard not to be swayed. From reading your scribes, ledge jumpers are your pet peeve, so tomorrow may be the one day you step out. I am planning on it. This place will be a regular Suicide R Us tomorrow. Jesus plays for the Devil, News at 11.
"How's your mother?"
"She's on her way out."
"We all are. Act accordingly."
by louslovechild on Jun 27, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hah.
This place will be a regular Suicide R Us tomorrow. Jesus plays for the Devil, News at 11.
I needed that laugh. Thank you.
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by AndrewJStone on Jun 27, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding
Big-time LOL.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 27, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did a LOL come from the NBF?
It is true that they have the best RH hitter in the last….(debatable) years. We are going to have to play out of our minds for 90 games, just to keep up. Walked off by the Sox, Pujols carries the Cards on his back again today, Brewers win in the bottom of the 9th. All this, and an admired player of DeRosa’s ability going to that team, make things really rough in these very choppy waters.
The Cubs dont have any money NBF. There is not going to be a savior. There will not be help. I hope I am not the only one who has figured this out. The Cubs are the IMG of baseball. They spent, spent, spent, and spent. Decided to take risks (Fuke, Bradley, Harden) at the expense of the future. Now here we sit, needing a boost, a young bullpen arm, or a more talented corner infielder, and we are hamstrung. If it didn’t break my heart, I would say that the Cubs had it coming.
"How's your mother?"
"She's on her way out."
"We all are. Act accordingly."
by louslovechild on Jun 27, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude,
Have you been watching the Cardinals? I’m telling you, the Cubs aren’t going to have to play “out of their minds for 90 games” just to keep up. They’re playing like crap night now, and they’re STILL keeping up — both with them and the Brewers. The Cards had lost four out of five before today. And the Brewers lost two of three to the Twins and got swept by the Tigers last weekend.
The answers to the Cubs’ problems are right there on their roster. Relax. It’ll be OK.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 27, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs have managed to be only one loss behind the Cards and that's without A-Ram for the last 6 plus weeks.
The Cubs don’t need to acquire another position player they just need their guys like, Soriano, Bradley, Soto, and Fontenot to perform up to their talent level. If guys start to play the way they are capable and Aramis comes back close to normal this team will be fine.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jun 27, 2009 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have been flagged
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jun 28, 2009 2:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LaRussa...
…is going to love having him, and I bet he puts him in the 2-hole.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Jun 27, 2009 10:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
LaRussa is going to put DeRo in his 2 hole? I don't think that's allowed in the workplace.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jun 27, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep...
…LaRussa loves to put guys in the 2 hole that can drive the ball. I’ll tell you what, he will see some damn good pitches to hit ahead of Albert.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Jun 27, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But wouldn't Pujols prefer DeRo behind him?
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jun 27, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont think pujols needs protection
by jesus christos on Jun 27, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He might want to use protection if DeRo is in the 2 hole.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jun 27, 2009 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well thats mature
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by Allie on Jun 27, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
mlbtraderumors.com confirms...
http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2009/6/27/927975/cards-aqquire-dero
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by AndrewJStone on Jun 27, 2009 10:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone know anything about Chris Perez?
just from perusing his numbers, looks like a big RH power arm, strictly a reliever. 6’4" 225. Looks like he could almost be a Woody Jr.
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by ballhawk on Jun 27, 2009 10:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So who is this player to be named, I wonder?
by Pre on Jun 27, 2009 10:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ha.
THAT would be a coup…. :) :-p
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 27, 2009 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another Cardinal note
Not sure if this got mentioned but Wellemeyer got pulled in the 3rd today and it looks like he is done as a starter at least.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 27, 2009 10:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Um Jeff Stevens is putting up great numbers in Iowa
If that makes anyone feel better. I don’t feel much better.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 27, 2009 10:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bring him up now
He couldn’t hurt the big-league bullpen any.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 27, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The next best thing that could happen is Adam Dunn ..... in center ;)
offen$e plea$e wake up
by lexmarklover on Jun 27, 2009 10:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Caption:
“Hmm. A mound. When I’ll get to see this again after today”
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
by Allie on Jun 27, 2009 10:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This is really biased
but I think the Cubs have a better rotation and team in general once Ramirez comes back.
offen$e plea$e wake up
by lexmarklover on Jun 27, 2009 10:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
The Cards have the best player in the game, but …
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 27, 2009 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think on paper, we're probably the most talented team
But right now, on the field… I’m not so sure.
No one’s run away with the division yet… but also no one is going away in it either.
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by Allie on Jun 27, 2009 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, glad to see you're finally coming around, NBF
I knew it was only a matter of time before you accepted the fact the DeRo is the Michael Jordan of MLB
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by ballhawk on Jun 27, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good thing
I wasn’t drinking anything when I read this, BH, or else it would have been all over my screen …
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 27, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are a bit off
Based on what I’ve read here the last few months, it seems like Michael Jordan is the Mark DeRosa of baseketball…
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Jun 28, 2009 2:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you.
Our rotation is the best in the division by far, and with a healthy ARam, our lineup is just as powerful as STL’s.
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 27, 2009 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they won't.....
after DeRo trade.
offen$e plea$e wake up
by lexmarklover on Jun 27, 2009 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately
I’m not that optimistic. There’s no guarantee that Ramirez will have an immediate impact once he’s back in the lineup. I think this season has been a train wreck that started with the playoffs last year. Changes needed to be made, but they made the wrong changes and we’re seeing the fruits of that. It’s obvious that moves need to be made, but nothing could solve our problems right now. The Cubs need to completely reconstruct their bullpen and reshuffle the deck with their role players. I would get rid of Carlos Marmol without hesitation.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
by Ace Venom on Jun 27, 2009 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is no guarantee DeRosa is gonna hit as well
he might feel added pressure. I see it this way as a Cubs fan. This team is 1 game under .500 without Ramirez. They’re only 3.5 GB, and basically Soto, Soriano, Bradley, Fontenot (maybe a little bit), Marmol have all underperformed. Pitchers have done a great job. I’m worried, but i feel this team hasn’t remotely reached its peak yet.
offen$e plea$e wake up
by lexmarklover on Jun 27, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have the same feeling on DeRosa...
…I wouldn’t be surprised if his productivity didn’t drop off some.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Jun 27, 2009 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK Jim Hendry
The ball is now in your court
by Mapmaker on Jun 27, 2009 10:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I will have nightmares
tonight about Marmol and Heilman. How much worse can they get?
by sue369 on Jun 27, 2009 10:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
From a psych-war standpoint...
the Cardinals must really love sticking it to Cub fans….
(Yes, I’m aware that “psych-war” is a silly term to use in talking about baseball…but you know what I mean).
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 27, 2009 10:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Cards did this because their every day 3rd baseman is out and they needed a utility player.
I can assure you they could care less that he’s an ex-Cub.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jun 27, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course.
I wasn’t meaning that they did it just to tweak the Cubs. I just meant that it was a nice lil bonus for Cardinal fans (ala Johnny Damon signing with the Yankees).
These are things that don’t actually matter, of course. But from a fan perspective they do.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 27, 2009 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Yanks did this once, to the Red Sox
They scooped up Luis Tiant after the 1978 season, after Boston wouldn’t give him more than a one-year deal. Yaz said “they [meaning the Yankees] tore out our heart and soul when they signed Luis”.
by CaliCub on Jun 27, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clutche and BleedsbluinMI, I am here to face the music!
You were right, and I was wrong.
by CaliCub on Jun 27, 2009 10:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
kudos for your man-up
"We got some pretty good chemistry here. We got some toughness, and it's starting to show." - Lou Pinella
by Clutche on Jun 27, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be honest...
From a performance perspective, it doesn’t worry me that the Cardinals got DeRosa. He’s a good player, but he’s not a superstar who will fundamentally altar the dynamic of the division.
I’m mostly just upset because he is was a player a liked, going to my most “hated” rival. I refuse to ever cheer for a Cardinal and I wish nothing but ill on their performance (though obviously not on them as people — this is just a game afterall). I now have to apply these sentiments to DeRosa.
All in all, it sucks that they’ve ruined a player for me. :(
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 27, 2009 10:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
cardinal fans dont seem so happy
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/06/cardinals-acquire-mark-derosa.html
by jesus christos on Jun 27, 2009 10:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It'd still be nice to pursue a backup 3B/utility guy
provided they can hit. It might be too much to expect ARam to just pick up right where he left off prior to the shoulder injury. And even if ARam does come back at nearly 100%, it might still be prudent to rest him a day or two a week down the stretch.
by CaliCub on Jun 27, 2009 10:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty disappointed about Derosa...
I hate to bring this up already…but regardless if the Cubs do or don’t make the playoffs, will they sign him in the offseason?
by mic on Jun 27, 2009 11:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If Hendry is still around...
…DeRosa would get 5 years/50 million with a no-trade clause.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Jun 27, 2009 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course. In fact, 5 years seems short. He'll get 10/$110 million.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jun 27, 2009 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now what?
DeRosa was never the be-all, end-all of trades. But what should the Cubs do now?
Today’s game was a real nail-biter. But Heilman held his own. Marmol could go down to Iowa to get his crap back together. Ascanio blew it—but it happens to everyone. Milton Baggage is still crap. Given that, the Cubs are playing with about three almost-guaranteed outs in the lineup and carry three pitchers who may very well blow everything to pieces. So, as the deadline nears, are they buyers or sellers? I wouldn’t be too surprised if it’s the latter.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jun 27, 2009 11:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What are teams going to buy??
Really?
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jun 28, 2009 2:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How great would it be if DeRo throws some games for us?
And then we pick him up in the offseason… Mark knows where he loyalties are. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if LaRussa just sticks him on the bench and rarely plays him anyway, just to piss Lou and Hendry off… yes, I know this won’t happenn, but I wouldn’t put it past Tony.
by lswaidz on Jun 27, 2009 11:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs