Cardinals Acquire Mark DeRosa
by AndrewJStone on Jun 27, 2009 10:03 PM CDT
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Well, bummer.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/06/cardinals-acquire-mark-derosa.html
According to the MLB.com Twitter, the Cardinals have acquired Mark DeRosa from the Indians for RP Chris Perez and a player to be named later.
And from Twitter:
Wow. Mark DeRosa is back in the NL Central! #cardinals just acquired him from CLE for RHP Chris Perez and player to be named later.
This isn't what anybody here wanted, thats for sure.
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worst team for him to be traded to
cubs = love
by cubs ftw on Jun 27, 2009 10:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Woah.
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
by Allie on Jun 27, 2009 10:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cardinals just solved their 2nd base problem
Wow. This development is a real pisser. I love Mark DeRosa, who was quite simply a team MVP his two years with the Cubs.
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
by BLou on Jun 27, 2009 10:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This season goes from bad to worse
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
by Ace Venom on Jun 27, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is it that I seemed to be the minority this offseason...
…when I was saying that we just destroyed our team when we made these moves?
Jack
derv
@themightycub
by derv on Jun 28, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2b isn't really a problem
3b is the biggest positional issue. but what was needed is a rh bat who mashes lefties. so, mark derosa
by prophetjohn on Jun 27, 2009 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is 2nd base not a problem?
Is there a team that gets less production out of 2nd base than the Cubs?
Good Guys Wear Blue
by Cubskingdom on Jun 28, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
because
Fonty isn’t playing there regularly. Or, at least, he wasn’t.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if there is a team that gets less from 2nd base,
but he was talking about the Cardinals, not the Cubs.
"You have to have short-term memory, no matter who you are in this game. There's always tomorrow." ~Derrek Lee
by Goodie1969 on Jun 28, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was talking
about the cardinals
by prophetjohn on Jun 29, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they have Schumaker
but, he probably sucks
No one goes there anymore, it's too crowded. - Yogi Berra
by trademan56 on Jul 1, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he is not DeRo
he must suck.
It’s a law I think.
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Jul 2, 2009 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
perhaps
No one goes there anymore, it's too crowded. - Yogi Berra
by trademan56 on Jul 3, 2009 7:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
time to break up the Cubs and start over, eh Blou
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Jul 1, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The PTBNL
better be a solid prospect or that is a flat out fleecing by the Birds.
"A team is where a boy can prove his courage on his own. A gang is where a coward goes to hide." -- Mickey Mantle
by JD McCubbie on Jun 27, 2009 10:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Can you imagine
Chris Perez and PTNL for DeRosa. Nice work for the Cardinals. Just a steal. Cubs couldn’t offer a bag of balls and a pine tar rag. The year gets better and better.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Jun 27, 2009 10:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't sure he
was coming back here but it sucks he’s going to the Cardinals.
by sue369 on Jun 27, 2009 10:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
*sigh*
as it today wasn’t bad enough. Wish DeRo was back home where he belongs, but oh well. And thank you, Jim Hendry, for your absolutely atrocious offseason continuing to haunt us.
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jun 27, 2009 10:07 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Bad day for us...
… and great day for the Cards. Got DeRo at an incredibly low price, and won on the back of 2 Pujols HR’s.
Ugh.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jun 27, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who the heck is Chris Perez?
Not exactly the haul that we kept hearing the Indians would require…
by pjs83 on Jun 27, 2009 10:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Potential closer
Or so the Cards thought in ST. He was in contention with Motte for the job, but both of them were abysmal and Franklin fell into the closer role almost by default.
"A team is where a boy can prove his courage on his own. A gang is where a coward goes to hide." -- Mickey Mantle
by JD McCubbie on Jun 27, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Milton Bradley...
…it’s time for you to earn your paycheck. Ditto for Jim Hendry.
"You have to have short-term memory, no matter who you are in this game. There's always tomorrow." ~Derrek Lee
by Goodie1969 on Jun 27, 2009 10:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's well past time
for Milton to start earning his paycheck. Then again, you could say that about most of the guy on the roster that aren’t in the starting rotation.
by TarHeelHawk on Jun 27, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like Perry Como used to say:
“It’s impossible…”
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 27, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why didn't the Cubs make this deal???
Oh yeah he isn’t left hended!!!! What is Bradleys avg. left handed?? This last off season is really starting to look a little unproductive!!
by wfree0104 on Jun 27, 2009 10:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wondering that myself
Did Hendry even try to make a play for him? Hope someone in the media puts him on the hotseat.
by JFCubFan on Jun 27, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially
knowing that the Cards were going after him. This has been reported by several outlets over the past few days. Make a play for him if for no other reason but to block STL.
"A team is where a boy can prove his courage on his own. A gang is where a coward goes to hide." -- Mickey Mantle
by JD McCubbie on Jun 27, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reports this morning claimed the Cubs were in play for him.
Makes me wonder what we offered that couldn’t beat out Chris Perez and a PTBNL.
I know he has a NTC and he’s likely more costly than Perez, but wouldn’t Spellcheck (and the concession of paying some salary) have been a better deal in the long run? Isn’t there SOMEBODY we could have offered?
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jun 27, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah sure
aaron miles and a bag of peanuts…guess which one is more valuable.
by TJ3117 on Jun 27, 2009 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they were looking to trade for him
by jesus christos on Jun 27, 2009 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Poetic Justice?
I gotta imagine we couldve matched this somehow
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jun 27, 2009 10:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The PTBNL will be contingent on a few things
I am sure the Indians and Cardinals exchanged a set of names. If DeRo does what is expected the Indians can choose from list A. If he struggles and leaves town as a free agent the Indians choose from list B.
by Nibbles on Jun 27, 2009 10:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Regardless of performance
don’t you find almost all PTBNL’s to be inconsequential? Maybe I’m being absent minded, but I can’t remember the last one to make any significant contribution.
"A team is where a boy can prove his courage on his own. A gang is where a coward goes to hide." -- Mickey Mantle
by JD McCubbie on Jun 27, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Indians got a pretty significant PTBNL from the Brewers just last year
It was a great selection of awesome.
by battlekow on Jun 27, 2009 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't be suprised if it was Brett Wallace.
Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!
by Cub Style on Jun 28, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there is
a 0% chance the ptbnl is brett f. wallace
and if by some stroke of surrealism it was, the fans who know who wallace is would burn down busch
by prophetjohn on Jun 28, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indians fan here – yep, this will match the precedent Shapiro set last year in the C.C./LaPorta (Brantley as PTBNL) deal.
by Voltaire on Jun 27, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm beyond pissed off right now.
Mark DeRosa for Sean Marshall?
"It's hard to win 97 games, it's hard to win the division. Our attitude is if you get in every year, you get in most of the time, sooner or later you are going to knock that door down." -- Jim Hendry
by EJThunder on Jun 27, 2009 10:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Cards got away with Chris Perez and you'd have offered Marshall?
Glad you aren’t running our team.
It sucks DeRo is with our biggest rival. It doesn’t suck we didn’t handicap our pitching staff’s future for 2/3rds of a season of DeRo.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jun 27, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would have offered them Stevens back
and called it a day.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 27, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sounds reasonable
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jun 27, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well I might of thrown in Miles
If they asked real nice.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 27, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I might have tried to stuff him in Stevens luggage...
… and hoped nobody noticed.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jun 27, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
today is more reason to get more bullpen help!
Hendry should try to make a deal for George Sherill in Baltimore. We trade with thim all the time anyway! Let Sherill close and more everyone else down. If he can perform at a high level in the AL east he we be great in the NL central!
by wfree0104 on Jun 27, 2009 10:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I haven't looked at his peripherals...
But I do like Sherill quite a bit. He doesn’t strike guys out, but he’s pretty solid.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 27, 2009 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sherrill would help a lot.
Question is can we afford to add the payroll?
by Poloplaya14 on Jun 28, 2009 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So does anyone in here think that if Jim does not
make a good move before the deadline that this team could not win the division?..cuz Im sorta leanin towards that
by cubbiepride on Jun 27, 2009 10:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think they will make at least one move but
I think to this point the Cubs’ season has been snakebitten. So few things have gone right, so many have gone wrong. Very few offensive players have lived up to their career norms and I don’t think that can last for 162 games. To think that Ramirez has been on the DL since the second week of May, Soriano is hitting <.230, Bradley has been a bust to this point, and Lee couldn’t hit until halfway through May. Given those circumstances, they’re still only 3.5 back. I wouldn’t have believed it. This is still the most talented team in the division. Talent doesn’t always win, but it certainly helps.
"A team is where a boy can prove his courage on his own. A gang is where a coward goes to hide." -- Mickey Mantle
by JD McCubbie on Jun 27, 2009 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hendry's roster decisions both over the offseason, and during this season
all point ot a pretty bad trading deadline
by WanderingWanderer on Jun 28, 2009 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
chris perez has great stuff
im actually happy they just gave up on him for a half season of Derosa.
by TJ3117 on Jun 27, 2009 10:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Will you say that if DeRosa is playing October baseball in St. Louis???
This was a great move by the Cardinals. As we know, DeRosa is rock solid and solves the Cardinal problem at 2nd base. Plus he can play some 3rd base until Troy Glaus gets back. Chris Perez is a prospect, period. The Cardinal system still is strong too.
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
by BLou on Jun 27, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'll play 3rd base from the start....
….and there’s word that Glaus is only 50/50 on returning at all this season, so DeRo might be there the rest of the year.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 27, 2009 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Half year rental.
I bet in hindsight most Brewers fan wouldn’t do the CC deal last year. Obviously they aren’t on the same level, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the Cards look back and say that was a mistake. I can also see DeRo driving daggers into our hearts in late September. How knows? Only father time. Wow I sound old haha.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 27, 2009 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he won't directly
because I think the Cubs don’t play the Cardinals in September. So there you go.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 28, 2009 3:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
...and Cardinals are allegedly in full pursuit of Matt Holliday or Jermaine Dye
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
by BLou on Jun 27, 2009 10:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If they get one of them..o my god
by cubbiepride on Jun 27, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adding Derosa to their line up helps them alot,
but if glaus is healthy, and they get Holiday or Dye I think their definately the better team!
by wfree0104 on Jun 27, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
puts them over the top
"We got some pretty good chemistry here. We got some toughness, and it's starting to show." - Lou Pinella
by Clutche on Jun 27, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like all of you I have a sick feeling in my stomach
but there is two outcomes here:
1. DeRosa comes out and plays 3rd base for the Cards and help them win the central and the way Pujols is swinging the bat maybe the whole national league in the playoffs
OR
2. The cubs come out an use a distraction to help them come back to win the division and maybe a world series…lets not forget 2007 with the Barrett-Zambrano Fight….
"God watches over drunks and third baseman."- Leo Durocher
by BelieveinBlue2314 on Jun 27, 2009 10:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Cards getting DeRosa is a distraction?
I dont see how this has anything to do with the Bradley dimissal yesterday
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jun 27, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he was going along the lines of
Lou doing something to draw attention to himself – like when he got in that dustup with Wegner – to take attention away from the teams struggles.
by TarHeelHawk on Jun 27, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was more talking along the lines of this whole Milton-Lou gossip
"God watches over drunks and third baseman."- Leo Durocher
by BelieveinBlue2314 on Jun 27, 2009 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How long have you have been a Cubs fan?
You know how this movie ends, and so does everyone else here, because we’ve all seen it a million times.
The Barrett/Z fight happened during the 1st week of June that year, on a team with far less talent than this one. This team has the talent, but they don’t have the heart.
by TarHeelHawk on Jun 27, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why are you here?
YOU are why I hate posting on this site if I wasnt a cubs fan I wouldnt waste my time…Why are you here if you know how the movie ends…and the 2007 team was below .500 at the time and had Rob bowen at starting catcher… think before you type..
"God watches over drunks and third baseman."- Leo Durocher
by BelieveinBlue2314 on Jun 27, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know it was....
and like I said, that team had a lot less talent than this one does. This year the movie will end with a .500 team watching the playoffs from the same place you and I will be – the couch.
This team hasn’t shown any signs of being anything better than a .500 team this year, so I can’t get too excited.
by TarHeelHawk on Jun 27, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm so sick of this distraction bullshit.
what nonsense.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie
by buckmulligan on Jun 28, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This does break my heart
But I do agree, that it is only for 2/3 of the season, and do believe he will be wearing pinstripes come spring. Lets just hope he doesn’t help them to the playoffs
Albert Pujols for Cubs Starting 1B in 2011
by heine41 on Jun 27, 2009 10:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Over on VEB the reaction appears mixed.
Some of the posters are quite upset about giving up Perez for a DeRo rental. We should be so rational…
"You have to have short-term memory, no matter who you are in this game. There's always tomorrow." ~Derrek Lee
by Goodie1969 on Jun 27, 2009 10:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
seems about right
cub fans make Derosa out to be Babe Ruth. I am pretty sure we won as many playoff games with him as we have without him.
by TJ3117 on Jun 27, 2009 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My neighbor at work tonight is a Cards fan
and he’s super-pissed about this deal. He thought Perez was their closer of the future. He is the No. 3 prospect in their farm system. Trading him for a half-year of DeRosa ain’t worth it.
Maybe some of the DeRosa Kool-Aid drinkers here should think about that.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 28, 2009 3:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the contrary.
All your neighbor is saying is that his team paid too high a price for acquiring DeRosa. Even if the trade were bad for the Cardinals for the reasons your neighbor said, that doesn’t mean that DeRosa would’ve been bad for the Cubs or other team.
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 28, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every team has a "closer of the future"
60 percent of them end up assistant coaches at their old high schools by the time they are 27.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jun 28, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
from the looks of it, the Cardinals had 3 "closers of the future"
Perez, Motte, and Mc-something I think. Plus they had a few more power arms lined up behind these guys. So they were obviously dealing from a position of strength.
What would be interesting to know is how Perez was selected. Did the Cards give Cleveland a list and say “pick one”? Or maybe Cleveland asked for Motte and StL said “No way, how about Perez instead?”.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jun 28, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
rumor was
motte was off the table.
and kmac isn’t a future closer. if his future is anywhere other than his current role, it’s in the rotation.
but perez really was dime a dozen. with motte passing him and todd, samuel, salas and reifer all just a few steps back and all similar pitchers, it made sense to move some of those pieces. there aren’t enough spots on the 40-man to protect them all anyway
by prophetjohn on Jun 29, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone really believe...........
DeRosa wanted to come back here after Hendry unloaded him?
"We got some pretty good chemistry here. We got some toughness, and it's starting to show." - Lou Pinella
by Clutche on Jun 27, 2009 10:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He didnt exactly kill us in the cleveland series...
He didnt want to come back and personally I dont think this is swinging the ship as much as it seems.
"God watches over drunks and third baseman."- Leo Durocher
by BelieveinBlue2314 on Jun 27, 2009 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He wasn't exactly pumped during the Cleveland series............
he will thrive as a Cardinal
"We got some pretty good chemistry here. We got some toughness, and it's starting to show." - Lou Pinella
by Clutche on Jun 27, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why wasnt he pumped?!
i am pretty sure he was.
by TJ3117 on Jun 27, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he said being a cub was the best 2 years of his career
by jesus christos on Jun 27, 2009 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone think............
we could Win the division with the team we have now? cuz I dont know if I do..Jim NEEDS to add something…especially after this move from the Cards and possible other moves they may make
by cubbiepride on Jun 27, 2009 10:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs are going to add someone
I believe his name is Aramis Ramirez.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 28, 2009 3:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What makes you draw that conclusion?
Be specific. I’m asking because I truly do want to see your reasoning.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 28, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well here's my thinking on how/why this team could win as is...
There’s a little over a month til the trading deadline. To me that says a month to put up or shut up. Use July to get everyone back healthy and on track, starting with ARam. Doesn’t need to start right up at 100%. Just slow and steady at first, build some momentum, and then slip into kick-ass mode come mid-August.
We’ve already seen signs of Soto returning to form. Maybe this WBC thing was weighing pretty heavy (ha!) on his mind.
Dempster could be next in returning to form. I’m not a parent, but I gotta believe having your daughter home from the hospital is a big big big load off his mind. He can only get better.
Lee probably has done the most in terms of returning to form. So if he just keeps it going, he’ll be fine.
Bradley – well, could he get any worse? (don’t answer that). It’s plausible that this latest tempest will set him straight. The talent is there, no doubt. Maybe he finally gets his head screwed on right and good health willing, puts up typical numbers in 2nd half.
Same thing for Soriano – could he get any worse? If he’s stupid or lazy, then Lou (and rest of team) need to get all Bradley on him and straighten him out. If he’s hurt, then Lou/Jim need to put him on DL and use July to get him healthy.
Dome has hopefully learned a few things on how NOT to fall into a deep funk like last year. Nows the time for him to put that experience to good use.
I’m afraid Fontenot is a lost cause at this point. So Lou just needs to juggle Fonty/Blanco/Freel etc. and try to maximize production wherever possible.
Starting pitching is fine – just keep it going. Bullpen is more of a wildcard. No idea what Marmol is going to do, but the talent is obviously there. Gregg will be solid. Heliman doesn’t need to be a star – just don’t screw up. Same with Guzman and Ascanio.
Look – we’ve pretty much blown chunks all season so far and we’re still in it. If just a few of the above things happen, we’ll continue to stay in the thick of it. The more of those that happen, the better our chances. And all of this is without the benefit of a deadline deal.
July will be a most interesting month…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jun 28, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd
And I agree with a lot, except that I don’t think Fontenot is a lost cause. Since this is a Mark DeRosa thread, it’s worth pointing out a comment I read from a player about how amazed he was that DeRosa could keep up his hitting while playing so many positions. The argument was that learning new positions really takes a lot out of players and cuts into their hitting prep.
Randy Wells - You continue to astound me.
by DGU on Jun 28, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure
we could. No one’s running away with it. If Bradley and Soto or Sori start hitting better, and Rami comes back 75% or better, and we could do well.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the announcement, per ESPN
The Cardinals acquired coveted infielder-outfielder Mark DeRosa from the Indians for young pitcher Chris Perez and a player to be named later, the Indians announced.
The versatile DeRosa was a very sought-after player, especially by National League clubs. He can fit as a third baseman for the Cardinals. The Giants, Mets, Braves and Cubs were other teams believed to have had some interest. The Indians have been shopping him for a couple weeks.
DeRosa, who the Indians acquired from the Chicago Cubs in a trade last offseason, was hitting .270 with 13 homers and 50 RBIs.
Perez has a 4.18 ERA in 29 appearances with a 1-1 record and one save.
by JFCubFan on Jun 27, 2009 10:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What Card fans have to say:
"We got some pretty good chemistry here. We got some toughness, and it's starting to show." - Lou Pinella
by Clutche on Jun 27, 2009 10:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
http://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2009/6/27/927989/cardinals-acquire-mark-derosa-for#comments
"We got some pretty good chemistry here. We got some toughness, and it's starting to show." - Lou Pinella
by Clutche on Jun 27, 2009 10:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
DeRo!? A Cardinal?!
"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott
by Reddevil on Jun 27, 2009 10:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
REAL CLOSE....
To what I felt like doing…..
by cubs north on Jun 28, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dont worry
the cubs are suppose to get mark teahen!
by TJ3117 on Jun 27, 2009 10:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Doubtful
Dayton Moore won’t move Mark Teahan unless he gets a blue-chip position prospect. Something we don’t have outside of Josh Vitters.
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
by BLou on Jun 27, 2009 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way the price on Teahen is that high.
Randy Wells - You continue to astound me.
by DGU on Jun 28, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he is basically a TINY, INSIGNIFGANT step above Aaron Miles
why Al thinks acquiring Mark Teahen would improve this team at all baffles me.
by WanderingWanderer on Jun 28, 2009 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Teahen is only a tiny bit better than Aaron Miles?
In what universe is that true?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 28, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep bad news
Bad news when anyone in the division ‘upgrades’ esp when you don’t even know if the Cubs will be able to with the ownership situation.
by jeff_pico on Jun 27, 2009 10:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Problem is the Cubs are not ONE MOVE away
We need help aplenty. We are not ONE MOVE away from being a playoff caliber team.
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
by BLou on Jun 27, 2009 10:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes we are, and that move is Ramirez returning from the DL.
by Wreckard on Jun 28, 2009 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Presuming Ramirez is 100%, and that's not a sure thing.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 28, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that still won't do it.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie
by buckmulligan on Jun 28, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've rarely been as disgusted as I am now
This is shaping up to be a lost season
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jun 27, 2009 10:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep
I’m this close to writing off the 2009 season for the Cubs. This organization and this team are a mess. I only hope that Tom Ricketts comes on board prepared to make the tough decisions and devote himself to getting this franchise on the right strategic footing. You can’t keep buying “solutions” in free agency and letting the payroll spin out of control as way to mask the severe shortcomings of this organization otherwise. Jim Hendry needs to be fired. I for one would like to see full pursuit of Billy Beane.
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
by BLou on Jun 27, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Billy Beane wouldn't leave Oakland to run the Red Sox
Why would he go to the Cubs?
by Old Style & Ivy on Jun 27, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Back then, ownership gave Beane a percentage of the team
Plus I think Beane felt something of a sense of loyalty to the Athletics. But now that the proposed stadium deal that had the A’s moving to Fremont has fizzled (along with a few other assurances that Wolff made Beane), things have changed. At one time I felt that Billy Beane would stay forever in Oakland but now I’m not so sure.
by CaliCub on Jun 27, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish BLou would explain why he's so enamored with Billy Beane.
What, exactly, have the A’s won since he’s been the GM? Weren’t they eliminated in the 1st round when they made the playoffs multiple times with “the big 3”? Didn’t they have a 2-0 lead against the Red Sox and then proceed to lose the series?
Oh, and the 2 players Beane chose to sign were Eric Chavez (who I believed signed the biggest contract in team history) and Bobby Crosby. How have those deals worked out?
Yes, Beane’s made plenty of good moves but I don’t understand why Beane is labeled as such a great GM by many people.
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jun 28, 2009 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because Beane made better moves with less money than what Hendry's done with more $$.
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 28, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
but he nearly always got lower draft picks to play with. Remember how good Omar Minaya was with the Expos etc. Mets give him LOTS of money and all of the sudden “small ball” etc is gone because is BIG market team you have to have stars and success.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 28, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hard to know what Beane might do
He’s an interesting guy. He was as good as gone a few years ago, but as was pointed out here, they gave him an ownership stake, so he stayed. As far as the A’s new stadium deal, yes, the plan to build in Fremont (a dozen or so miles due south of the current ballpark) fell through. San Jose has resurfaced as a possibility. If Beane thinks the move to San Jose will happen (the proposed site for the SJ ballpark would be very near the HP Pavillion aka Shark Tank), he could very well want to stay as the A’s would probably have a lot more revenue, opening up a lot more possibilities for him.
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Jul 1, 2009 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i hope you guys are writting them off because...
of how poorly the cubs have been playing and not cus the cardinals got mark derosa. i mean derosa is alright but not fucking an allstar. the brewers and cubs are still right there with them.
by TJ3117 on Jun 27, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd take his .270/14/50 in our current lineup....
..any day of the week.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 27, 2009 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+ 1000 BCB points
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
by cubnational on Jun 28, 2009 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We should be in pursuit of Jim Hendry's bean!
Figuratively speaking, that is.
That move, of letting DeRosa go, is going to be considered Jim Hendry’s legacy. Not 2 division winners, because it is always, “What have you done for me lately?”
"Any old kind of a run wins it!"--Jack Brickhouse
by mattvegas on Jun 27, 2009 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought you wrote the season off by mid April
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 28, 2009 1:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Billy Beane
He needs to take care of Oakland 1st. Moneyball minus the steriods has thrown a big curveball for Billy.
by Slamdog on Jun 28, 2009 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh no!
The Cardinals have created a journeyman middle infielder gap! What will we do now?!
by Old Style & Ivy on Jun 27, 2009 10:42 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
"journeyman" middle infielder who hit 20 homers last year
and is on pace for more than that this year. I get some of you don’t want DeRosa back, I don’t really understand why, outside of being obstinate, but you really can’t argue that DeRo’s numbers wouldn’t help any team he was on. You just can’t
by WanderingWanderer on Jun 28, 2009 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not that people don't want him back
It’s that we recognize he’s vastly overrated by Cubs fans.
People are “heartbroken”, “sick to their stomach”, “disgusted”, and that Derosa was a “team MVP”.
Derosa’s good. But it’s still a marginal upgrade – it’s at most a 1-2 win upgrade for the Cardinals. The reaction here is laughable.
by Wreckard on Jun 28, 2009 8:16 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You do know
That if the Cards only win the division by one game, it still counts, right?
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jun 28, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bah!
Don’t you know the mantra yet?
Every player on every other team but the Cubs is overpriced and overrated;
and every move our rivals make to get better will actually work against them and prove to be ridiculously costly.
Besides, everyone has assured me the Cardinals absolutely, positively CANNOT compete for the division title this year – I mean, I’ve been told there’s ABSOLUTELY no way.
"Bite my shiny metal ass!" -- Bender Bending Rodriguez
"Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead."
by The Jade Scorpion on Jun 29, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good!
Now we won’t waste prospects on a trade for him.
by shawndgoldman on Jun 27, 2009 10:58 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
And this could be a deciding piece to NL Central Puzzle
ARam better be back next weekend (heard rumors he’s getting some minor league games in this week).
I think the extra bat on the Cardinals might be enough to separate them from us when Aramis returns.
by ak123 on Jun 27, 2009 10:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hahahahha
So we get Ramirez back and the Cardinals get DeRosa… and your conclusion is they’re going to pull away? High comedy.
by shawndgoldman on Jun 27, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow you missed my point
Cardinals extra bat could equal a few extra wins for them this week. A 3.5 division lead could turn into a 6.5 division lead when Ramirez returns. Much harder to catch up.
by ak123 on Jun 27, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have no idea how much Derosa is worth.
He’s worth a few extra wins over the course of the season. 3 a week? Not even Albert Pujols is that good.
by shawndgoldman on Jun 27, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Your "statistics"
…cannot measure leadership or clubhouse chemistry. That’s worth about a hundred wins a week.
by Old Style & Ivy on Jun 27, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL... i sense that's the issue here.
by shawndgoldman on Jun 27, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do I seriously see someone projecting DeRo as a 60 win player in one season?
I like baseball.
by morgane on Jun 28, 2009 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm dying to know
If you could have Ramirez (healthy) on your team or DeRosa, who woudl you want?
by Old Style & Ivy on Jun 27, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Read above
You missed what I wrote. An extra bat in Cardinals lineup could separate them enough from us when Ramirez returns. 3.5 games is nothing. 6.5 is a little more difficult.
by ak123 on Jun 27, 2009 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel like
You might not be the most objective observer!
by Old Style & Ivy on Jun 27, 2009 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was never going to be an either/or scenario
so that’s what we call a “straw man”
by WanderingWanderer on Jun 28, 2009 7:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Fontenot's career numbers vs. RHP...
are better than DeRosa’s total line. Find a platoon partner for Fontenot and there’s no dropoff from DeRosa last year to the platoon this year.
by shawndgoldman on Jun 27, 2009 11:17 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Well that was...
certainly the theory. Hasn’t worked out yet, given the injuries. Sure would be nice if we had a 3rd baseman so Fonty could play his real position…
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 27, 2009 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the theory...
was that he’d be able to play everyday. I don’t think he can, at least not without a platoon partner.
by shawndgoldman on Jun 28, 2009 2:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My impression....
Was that the plan was that Fontenot would platoon at 2nd with Miles (Fonty, facing RHP’s, would be starting the majority of games).
When Aramis went down, it forced Fonty into having to play nearly every day at 3rd, thus over-exposing him. That said, I’m not sure that the original plan with him at 2nd was a good idea either, but I understand the thinking behind it.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 28, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not his year they aren't
Fontenot vs RHP .236/.330/.385 6HR 22RBI 200PA
DeRosa total .270/.342/.457 13HR 50 RBI 314PA
"There are no curses here...Games are won and lost on the baseball field" - Lou Piniella
by El Borto on Jun 28, 2009 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
However....
OK, maybe DeRosa can get a hit once in awhile with runners in scoring position, but can he pitch the 8th inning?
by PalatineRol on Jun 27, 2009 11:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree.
The elephant in the room is the bullpen.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 27, 2009 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but as I remember...
Mármol wasn’t the 8th inning set-up pitcher. He used to pitch to get 1 or 2 outs in the 7th, mainly. Howry was the set-up man. We asked Mármol to move to the set-up role and the guy is not performing there. So, we don’t have a legitimate set-up reliever, our closer is not that good, we don’t have anyone to take over the 7th at least until Guzmán returns (if Mármol isn’t moved back to last season’s role), and Lou is using Marshall as a LOOGY instead of letting him eat some innings in relief to give the team a chance to win close games.
So, yes, we need help in the bullpen but that’s not the team’s main problem. The bullpen can improve if used better.
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 27, 2009 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That wasn't Marmol's role last season at all
He faced 47 batters in the seventh last season and 174 in the eighth.
by Old Style & Ivy on Jun 27, 2009 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
new bullpen arms will solve all of our offensive woes!
"Bite my shiny metal ass!" -- Bender Bending Rodriguez
"Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead."
by The Jade Scorpion on Jun 29, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is it what Jim Hendry's offseason ill advised moves accomplished.
If Jim Hendry has one ounce of decency and common sense, he does like Andy McPhail did and resigns. But he shouldn’t wait until the season is over like McPhail did. Hendry should leave now. His offseason moves only served to strengnthen our division rival. And he couldn’t/wouldn’t match the Cardinals offer? At least to prevent the Red Birds from improving over us, if not to improve our own ballclub?
This is this team’s real curse: a constant stream of inept front office personnel.
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 27, 2009 11:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well....
….it was Lou’s big idea to make this team more left handed. The blood is on his hands just as much.
I think Hendry is a good GM, not a great one. Let’s not forget that he made trades to get Aram, Dlee, and such. With that being said, this offseason was so bad that I understand why people are calling for his head.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 27, 2009 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was that a question or a statement?
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 27, 2009 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I won't let Lou get away unscathed, either.
As you wrote, Lou had a lot to do with the weakening of a winning team. But it’s the GM’s job to improve a team, not to do whatever the manager asks for. Hendry did the same for Dusty and we got Neifi. Now we got Miles.
Hendry deserves to go if for no other reason that his offseason move turned out to be an improvement for our division rival. It may cost us the division title.
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 27, 2009 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well here's the thing...
…the idea is that we need to be built for the playoffs, not flashy 97 win seasons. We may not even find out if that theory is correct, unless we make the playoffs.
However, Hendry took a gamble. He banked on Aram not getting hurt and it bit him in the ass. Thems are the breaks.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 27, 2009 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand
How you can equate being “built for the playoffs” as being something different from “built to win 97 games”. A team that wins 97 games SHOULD win a game in the playoffs. It didn’t happen last year, but to suggest that teams that win 97 games can somehow be “not built for the playoffs” just doesn’t make any sense.
by hmlee on Jun 27, 2009 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus how can a GM "gamble" on leaving 3rd base with no backup?
That’s ineptitude to me.
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 27, 2009 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hide the BCB knifes.
I envision this is going to be a rough couple days here. I probably need to check back in about a week….oh wait what else would I do at work?!
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 27, 2009 11:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Knives? either way you get my point.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 27, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is the New comments counter not working for anyone else for this FanPost?
When I’m in this FanPost, everything looks/works normal. But if I’m somewhere else in BCB and meanwhile more comments are being added here, they should show up as New comments when I refresh. But they don’t.
Example: There’s 92 comments when I leave. I go read a few other FanPosts, and when I come back, there’s 105. But those 7 new ones are not showing up as new, i.e. unread. So I can’t easily read the new stuff.
Oddly enough, it’s only this FanPost – all others (and the Recap) are fine.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jun 27, 2009 11:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I've been having similar problems.
I’ll mark all comments as read, go elsewhere, and come back and they’ll all be yellow again.
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by AndrewJStone on Jun 28, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you have to reload the page
you can’t just use the back button.
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
by Archie on Jun 30, 2009 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, this just sucks
The Cards are scarier and the Cubs still have holes. Great. Sigh.
by hmlee on Jun 27, 2009 11:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
on the bright side this gives dero more chances to choke up against us
by jesus christos on Jun 27, 2009 11:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So I was over in the dark land of Viva El Birdos....
Reading their mockery and schadenfraude over us. And I saw that someone linked to a Twitter page for Bernie Miklasz, who is on ESPN radio (I guess. I’m not familiar with him).
According to him (without providing any details) he says that its his impression that the PTBNL depends in part on whether or not the Cardinals sign DeRosa to an extension….
I was trying to figure out why that would make any sense and the only thing I can think of is that it’s to compensate the Indians for the loss of draft picks from a free agent signing? But really, even that doesn’t make too much sense to me as to why the Cardinals would agree to that stipulation.
Anyone have any ideas why an extension for DeRosa would be part of the deal?
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 28, 2009 12:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't trust Bernie too much
Never heard of that before.
Not afraid to nitpick
by joker24 on Jun 28, 2009 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then DeRosa become more valuable to them 'cause they have him longer? Maybe?
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
by Archie on Jun 30, 2009 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This infuriates me.
Not because I think we should have kept him, or that I desperately wanted him to come back, but soley, singularly because he’s now a Deadbird, and until he goes somewhere else, one of my favorite Cubs of the last few years is now Dead To Me..
God do I hate that team.
by owllover711 on Jun 28, 2009 12:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Everybody calm down
It’s Mark DeRosa…yeah, everybody likes him and all that, but he’s not Ted Williams. All you “chemistry” people out there, all of Mark DeRosa’s grit and clubhouse leadership still resulted in a GIDP with the bases loaded against Livan Hernandez in the 2007 playoffs, and him totally forgetting how to field his position in the 2008 postseason.
And, as a poster said above, he’s versatile, but unless he can pitch the 7th, 8th and 9th inning every day, he’s not the Cubs biggest problem. This bullpen is horrific, and getting a 34 year old second basemen rental isn’t going to help that.
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Jun 28, 2009 2:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Uggla or bust now.
Milton Bradley will win the 2009 NL MVP
by Milton's Gameboard on Jun 28, 2009 2:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Haha
St. Louis relievers... defying win expectancy since 2008
http://www.drivelinemechanics.com/
by vivaelpujols on Jun 28, 2009 2:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Really?
The Cards gave up 4 years of a flamethrowing righty to have 4 months of an .800 OPS guy and you are laughing? A year from now this trade will be known as the trade that got Cleveland Chris Perez, not the trade that got St. Louis Mark DeRosa.
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Jun 28, 2009 2:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe
but perez’ velocity was declining, his bb rate was up, k rate down, he and motte are interchangeable as of now and there is plenty of depth to step up and fill the 8th inning role by 2011
by prophetjohn on Jun 28, 2009 2:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can never have too much pitching
This trade is a helluva lot better for STL than any “Ludwick and more for Holliday” deal, seeing as how Holliday is pretty much the same hitter as DeRosa once he left Denver.
I was never one who thought DeRosa was the player some here have lionized him as. Is he better than Khalil Greene and Joe Thurston? Yes. Is he going to be the reason the Cards win the division? Possibly. Is he worth giving up Perez and a PTBNL? Not in my view.
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Jun 28, 2009 2:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can never have too much pitching
True, but you can definitley have too much mediocre relief pitching.
St. Louis relievers... defying win expectancy since 2008
http://www.drivelinemechanics.com/
by vivaelpujols on Jun 28, 2009 3:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is true
You know how I know that’s true? I watch the 2009 Chicago Cubs on a daily basis…that makes me something of an expert in mediocre relief pitching.
Hell, at this stage I’d be thrilled with mediocre.
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Jun 28, 2009 3:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a little surprised...
Given how thoughtful your usual posts are around here, this seems uncharacteristically petty.
I’m not really broken up about DeRosa going to the Cardinals from a performance perspective. I’m only disappointed that I player I really like is not someone that I’m required to loathe because of logo on his uniform.
Other than that, you can have him. We’re still going to kick your ass in the standings.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 28, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
er...
That should be “now someone that I’m required…” instead of “not someone…” Oops.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 28, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why are you
required to loathe him?
he was traded to the cardinals. not like he had any choice. jimmy went to the cubs voluntarily and cards fans still gave him a standing o when he returned as a small bear
by prophetjohn on Jun 28, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
They gave him a standing ovation once to demonstrate their appreciation for his service to THEM. After that, it was back to “go suck an egg, Cub”.
By “loathe him” I obviously don’t mean it literally (in the end, this is just a game of course). But so long as he’s a Cardinal, I hope he fails in every at bat he has and makes 6 errors a game if it helps them lose. My point was that, because he’s someone I like, I’m sad that I have to root for his failure.
Are you of the mind that you can root for favorite sons, even if they’re wearing a Cardinal jersey? I guess I just don’t look at it that way…
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 28, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i certainly
hoped for the best for jimmy last year. it was sad to see what he was doing in san diego. but i get your point
by prophetjohn on Jun 29, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Embarrassing
That’s what I’d call the reaction to this news from a lot of you. Flat-out embarrassing.
Evidently most of you must be Cubs fans of recent vintage. Does the name Lou Brock mean anything to you? How about Greg Maddux? Ever hear of him? Bill Madlock, anybody? Hell, how about Jon Garland?
That’s just four guys off the top of my head that should generate more anger and frustration about the Cubs inability to hold than trading away … well, I can’t even bring myself to write his name, it’s become so sacred.
I can’t believe some of you call yourselves baseball fans. Or else maybe I’m too stupid to be one. Evidently you think 3.5 games out of first place on June 27 is a mountain that’s impossible to climb. Evidently you think the addition of a journeyman utility player is going to hand the World Series title to a team that has the best player in baseball but little else. Evidently you think a bunch of other players never will get anywhere close to their career averages and fold like a cheap tent.
Sometimes I liken Cubs fans to people who just have been released from prison after being jailed for years for a crime they didn’t commit. They’re always paranoid, always waiting for the other shoe to drop, always living in fear. That crap has got to stop. And don’t tell me it’s because they haven’t won a WS in 101 years. Were you there to see that drought from its beginning to now? Then you have no right to be pissed. Well, as much right as a Brewers fan or a Padres fan or a Mariners fan, I guess.
The non-stop orgy of DeRosa manlove, and the angst shown because of the deal tonight, is laughable at its best and pathetic at its worst. Were this 30 years ago, I’d expect the same people to be carrying a torch for Tarzan Joe Wallis or Champ Summers. (If you don’t know who they are, look ’em up.) I think the main reason some Cardinals fans think this is a good trade is solely because it would piss off Cubs fans. They know us better than we know ourselves.
I certainly hope all the yokels who gave DeRosa standing ovations at every turn last weekend at Wrigley plan to show up and do the same thing in July when the Cardinals come to town. That at least would be consistent. But they’d be as idiotic as the Indiana basketball fans who bought Texas Tech shirts when Bobby Knight went there.
If being a Cubs fan means having to bash your head against the wall because Mark F. DeRosa got traded to the Cardinals, I think I’d rather cheer for the Blue Jays.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 28, 2009 3:37 AM CDT reply actions 9 recs
If being a Cubs fan means having to bash your head against the wall because Mark F. DeRosa got traded to the Cardinals, I think I’d rather cheer for the Blue Jays.
Toronto is a really nice city and there is no waiting list for season tickets behind the plate at the Rogers Centre.
Nice rant, although the dated player references won’t help make your point. Should have stuck to transcations from the last three years to keep peoples’ interest.
"Who's Bob Brenly? The guy that used to be the manager for Arizona?" ~ Alfonso Guilleard Soriano
by JohnM on Jun 28, 2009 3:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love Toronto
My cousins live there, and I went to Rogers Centre last year when the Cubs played there. And they did give Reed Johnson a standing O when he returned there with the Cubs. But only one. And I don’t think there are many Jays fans still saying J.P. Ricciardi will rue the day he cut Reed Johnson.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 28, 2009 4:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, there were quite a few...
… who told me exactly that when I was there for the Cub series last year. Johnson could have helped Toronto last year, and probably again this year.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 28, 2009 4:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps, Al, but RJ
isn’t why the Jays didn’t win the division last year and isn’t a difference-maker on this year’s team, either.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 28, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of Toronto....
with them quickly fading in the division they have no chance in. I REALLY would like to see the Cubs make a play for Marco Scutaro.
by Great Odin's Raven on Jun 28, 2009 6:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting idea.
He’s having a career year, so why not try to take advantage? You could probably get him for the same price as DeRosa (a couple of young pitchers — Ascanio & Stevens?).
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 28, 2009 7:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You sir, you are a joke.
In fact you are the just like BLou expect your Schick is just to be blindly Pro Cub and anyone who dares say otherwise is less than you.
In truth I have much more respect for BLou because he at least has the ability to comprehend some logic.
DeRo is exactly what this team is lacking right now. A right handed bat who can mash LHP/someone who can play 3B and 2B.
The funny thing is that is what the Cards were looking for as well.
The Cards got their holes filled and the Cubs didn’t. It’s that simple. The Cards got better today the Cubs are still a Sub .500 team with locker room issues.
NBF you are entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts.
These facts are driving the frustration of a great number of fans tonight. The DeRo events, losing to the Chi Sox, having the pen blow a game again, Lou making questionable calls along with the high exceptions for this team this year have created a cauldron of anger.
Some of this anger has been misdirected and or blame unfairly has been assigned all to one person (i.e. Gameboard, Hendry, Lou, etc…) but the anger fans feel is real because they feel cheated by this team. The 2009 Chicago Cubs have underperformed or at the very least are not what was advertised.
Again these are just facts.
I have been frustrated at your attempts to start trouble with anyone that might have a criticism (warranted or unwarranted) about this team on this board. I have repeatedly pointed out your abusive language and curtness on this board. I have flagged you repeatedly. Now I will just ask. Please let other people vent and stop all the name calling and constant dismal of other peoples opinions and/or feelings.
I assure you, whatever you have to say that is not an attack and/or name calling will be welcome by all here. Try it for a week. Who knows you might just like it.
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jun 28, 2009 5:48 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
The Cubs need a RH bat? DLee, Soto, Soriano, Theriot, Fox, Milton, are these not
RH bats? The Cubs are a RH dominated lineup. How do you figure they need another RH bat? Am I missing something here? I know the RH bats have been off, but DLee has been hitting for a while, Soto is really starting to hit and ARam will be back in about a week. This team needs bullpen help. They lose 8-7 with the bullpen giving up lead twice and you claim we need a RH bat? I am confused.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 28, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, wrong reply, rec'd went to BrewCrew, WMHG.
To wmhg, Forget about left or right handed, how about a bat that can hit with risp? Seems to me that is what we lack.
Boy oh boy oh boy
by BleedsbluinMI on Jun 28, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ladies and gentlemen,
I present Exhibit A in my case.
If I’m blindly pro-Cub (which I am not), you and many of your ilk are blindly anti-Cub.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 28, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't recognize your standing to question my loyalty to the Cubs.
Cheer for the Cubs however you want to. I’m just not blind and use my brain, not just my emotions for this team, as deep as they are.
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 28, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you are using your brain
you’ll understand the point I was trying to make.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 28, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can love something
yet still see the faults in that thing you love. Have you ever had a girlfriend?
It’s call an adult relationship.
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by BrewCrew'sPrinceofDarkness on Jun 28, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny you're talking about adult relationships
when many of you DeRo fans sound like 16-year-old jilted lovers.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 28, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One response
If being a Cubs fan means having to bash your head against the wall because Mark F. DeRosa got traded to the Cardinals, I think I’d rather cheer for the Blue Jays.
Door. Ass.
Don’t let one hit the other.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jun 28, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Based on your posts,
you should be leading the parade out the door.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 28, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Typical useless drivel from NBF.
Mr. overgeneralization thinks all Cubs fans think alike, and yet his opinion is the only correct one. You bore me.
Boy oh boy oh boy
by BleedsbluinMI on Jun 28, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently
you missed the words “some of” and “many of you” in my original post.
Reading comprehension is fundamental. If you had that skill, perhaps your life wouldn’t be so boring.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 28, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still carrying a torch for Joe Wallis
He was going to make everyone forget about Don Young.
by Mike Vails Evil Twin on Jun 28, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heck, I'm still
pining for Mike Vail.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 28, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The heck with him
Mom always liked him best
by Mike Vails Evil Twin on Jun 28, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cards
this shows you the cards want to get better and want to win.while the cubs sit on their hands with no money to spend and too many high priced untradeable players. if bradley wasnt making so much money you can bet your ass pinella would have him out of here in a week.
by NOMAR on Jun 28, 2009 6:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
great – we end up with Aaron Miles and the Cards get DeRosa.
by mrjimmeh on Jun 28, 2009 6:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Perspective
Derosa OPS+ is 105 this year.
Ooooooo scary!
"There are no curses here...Games are won and lost on the baseball field" - Lou Piniella
by El Borto on Jun 28, 2009 9:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
unless DeRo can pitch in relief,
he is not what the team needs right now. But don’t let me prevent the DeRooters from venting here.
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Jun 28, 2009 9:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Unless a RP can produce runs...
a RP is not all we need.
"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott
by Reddevil on Jun 28, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mark Teahen
Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!
by Cub Style on Jun 28, 2009 12:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This is surely a sign of the Apocalpyse
if there ever was one.
by Mike Vails Evil Twin on Jun 28, 2009 12:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
now, this pisses me off.
i’m ready for hendry to be fired.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie
by buckmulligan on Jun 28, 2009 1:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well.
I’m late to this game.
But anyway, DeRosa makes the Cardinals better and that stinks.
We can’t judge the deal because the PTBNL is supposed to be significant, so we can’t yet compare Hendry’s haul to the half-season haul. I don’t think we can say Hendry failed for letting DeRo go to the Cardinals, because you never know if Shapiro was willing to work with the Cubs at all. Hendry could have had a better deal on the table, but Shapiro might now have wanted the embarassment of getting less in return for DeRosa than he gave up when dealing with the same club.
I don’t think this puts the Cards over the top by any stretch. It certainly suggests, for one thing, that Glaus isn’t coming back in a way that will help them – and Glaus is a better hitter than DeRosa.
But it makes the Cards better and that stinks.
Randy Wells - You continue to astound me.
by DGU on Jun 28, 2009 2:06 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I think
DeRosa would have made more a difference to us than he will to the Cards.
On our team, he probably takes at bats away from Freel, Miles and Blanco. On the cards, he takes atbats from either Schumaker or Ankiel. Ankiel is having a down year, but he’s not down in Freel territory.
So this disappoints me more for the lost opportunity to make the Cubs significantly better than that the Cards got marginally better.
I still think we need a primary second baseman now that Fox has proven serviceable at third and Ramirez is nearing return. And while I don’t want to start a Brian Roberts bandwagon, we could really use a base-stealer who can get on to push Mr. .225 out of the lead-off spot.
DEJESUS!!!
by tomas21 on Jun 28, 2009 2:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
nah
he’s taking ABs away from thurston and duncan against lefty pitchers
by prophetjohn on Jun 29, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
THE TEAMS PATHETIC
series in Detroit shows that this club is off course . They seem to have no plan to fix the bullpen problems . Don’t count on Hendry or any other top brass to resign . The cubs are playing like the teams they had in the 70’s .
by cubs north on Jun 28, 2009 3:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This whole worshipping of DeRo has become way too much to read.
I missed the part where he parted the Red Sea and walked on water. Now it will be really fun to read the threads, and here for the Cards update the Cards are losing but look at DeRo he went 1 for 4 and got a RBI. Obsess much?
I am actually glad that he got traded to the hated Cards, that way when we beat them we can say to the legion of DeRomantics “See he isn’t some kind of Deity.”
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
by KaliCub on Jun 28, 2009 3:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
UNREAL!
How is it possible the Cardinals lost today?!?!?! Don’t they know they have Mark Derosa now!
by TJ3117 on Jun 28, 2009 4:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They must not
have gotten the memo. :)
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 28, 2009 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Regardless- the Cards got better
The Cubs have not. Their offense continues to sputter, and the great starting pitching they were getting is coming back to earth. There is no indication that ARam’s return is going to provide any immediate help, and there is still a lack of offense in at least 6 positions.
This team needs help, and soon, or it will be too late. Sorry to say, IMO, it is already too late- this team really cannot be flipped, unless you add payroll and eat some contracts. Don’t think that is going to happen.
"I still don't know what happened"- Fergie Jenkins on '69
by tommy veryzer on Jun 28, 2009 4:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So the starting pitching is "coming back to earth" ...
… but the hitting won’t get back to where it should be? Seems to me if one happens, the other should, too. You’ve got to be consistent.
And why would there be no indication ARam’s return will help? While meanwhile, DeRosa makes the Cardinals “better”?
Sounds like you’re just a terminal Cubs crybaby.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 28, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well it just goes to show you, it's always something ..
and the Cubs are RUEING the day they traded DeRosa
That’s all I’m going to say about it.
Roseanne Roseannadanna, Glenview, Illinois
You can clean the lunch off the floor, Non Brucey .. that was free.
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
by cubnational on Jun 28, 2009 4:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Always appreciate some old-school SNL.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 28, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The DeRosa trade should have never happened to begin with.
Cleveland was afraid to move Peralta to third base (and offend him) and were concerned that Asdrubal Cabrera would struggle again. With Casey Blake gone, DeRosa was the perfect replacement.
So a month into the season DeRosa’s role was rendered useless, because Peralta was moved to 3b anyways. So, the Indians gave up Stevens (who could have the same career numbers that Perez will have) and two other live arm pitchers for a half season rental of a player they didn’t need.
I think they will get another good player with the PTBN. But even with that return, it might not match the players they gave up to get DeRosa in the first place.
So it goes.
by Toxicadam on Jun 29, 2009 12:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If Stevens is that good...
… why isn’t he in the Cubs’ bullpen right now?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 29, 2009 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the same reason why Josh Vitters
isn’t in the clubhouse? Good =/= MLB ready.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 29, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's see who else is against the DeRosa to Cards deal
EVERY SINGLE CUBS PLAYER QUOTED IN THIS STORY!
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/cubs/1643290,CST-SPT-cub29.article
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jun 29, 2009 6:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Have you ever met any of those players quoted in that article?
Have you ever met their families, their dentists, their childhood teachers?
Do you even know what any of those players have for breakfast?
And how do you know that the reporter didn’t just make it all up given that all reporters are liars with axes to grind?
Typical anti-Cubs B.S.—it has to stop!
by DudeVf11 on Jun 29, 2009 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent point
These players have no credibility. Yes, they gave their names, but they didn’t give their Social Security numbers. They didn’t tell us what their wives look like naked. They didn’t tell us whether they lied to their kids about Fluffy going off to live on a farm.
LIARS!
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jun 29, 2009 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure
people have already imagined many of their wives naked. Have you seen Mark DeRosa’s wife?
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 29, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Main thing
The thing that bothers me the most is what the Cards get out of new aquisitions. If they could get stellar years out of Larry Walker when he was clearly past his prime, if they could get Aaron Miles to hit .300, if they could get fireman of the year numbers from Ryan Franklin this year, what astounding numbers will De Rosa give them? Heck, they got Cy Young numbers from Jeff Weaver for 1/2 a season and Hall-of Fame numbers in post season!
"It's a funny old world. Man's lucky if he gets out of it alive." W.C. Fields
by KedzieKid on Jun 29, 2009 10:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Please, change your diaper
and man up. You people and your inordinate fear of all things Cardinal is mind-boggling.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 29, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But they're
birds! BIg red scary birds! Birds like in Hitchcock!
by hmlee on Jun 29, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, what do you expect, NBF?
we’re all just a bunch of morans, anyway… ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jun 29, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
See?
You can’t even spell it right … :P
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 29, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neither can they!
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 30, 2009 7:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks Al, I was just getting ready to post this picture in my defense.
Guess it’s not as funny when you have to explain it….
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jun 30, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen that pic before,
and that’s the first thing I thought of when you wrote it. But I’m so computer illiterate I don’t know how to post pictures. Thanks, Al.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 30, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
came at the right time, AL
i almost spit my Blue Bunny Sugar Free Cookie Dough Ice Cream all over the screen
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
by cubnational on Jul 1, 2009 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now he has a chance to ruin the cubs playoffs chances
No one goes there anymore, it's too crowded. - Yogi Berra
by trademan56 on Jul 1, 2009 6:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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