DeRosa-less Cubs Carry On: Cubs vs. White Sox Preview, Sunday 6/28, 1:05 CT
by Al Yellon on Jun 28, 2009 11:00 AM CDT
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PrintThe headline, incidentally, is what is known as a "joke", in case you thought I was serious. This will be the last time Mark DeRosa will be mentioned by me on this site, until the Cubs play the Cardinals.
Now, on to more pertinent matters. Look who's on Lou's side regarding the Milton Bradley flap: Ozzie Guillen:
White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen had no problem with the way Cubs manager Lou Piniella handled the Milton Bradley drama Friday. As a matter of fact, he applauded it.
Guillen's problem?
There should have been 24 others who policed it beforehand, rather than it escalating to the point it did with the Cubs' skipper.
"That was awesome," Guillen said Saturday when asked about the Bradley chaos. "We make [Bradley] pissed. That's not too hard to do.
"Everybody handles the ballclub different. Lou handled it the right way because you have 24 guys you have to respect. You're not a manager of one player. You're the manager of a team. It's all about the team. It's not about one player. He showed the team that Lou cares about his ballclub."
I'm not a big Ozzie fan, but he has this exactly right. Meanwhile, Jim Hendry doesn't sound too thrilled with the whole thing:
Hendry, who backed Piniella's handling of the situation and issued no further discipline, seemed to take the same approach, with an optimistic outlook, given two seasons and 91 games left with Bradley.
"There's risks in all free-agent signings," he said. "Hopefully, this one will [work out] in the long run. Certainly when you're hitting .220, you wouldn't say it's going as planned so far.
"I'm sure the frustration level is at its wit's end for him. And obviously that doesn't condone certain actions that you don't want a player doing. But we're still in a pretty good spot to make a run at things in the second half, and we certainly could use the Milton Bradley bat that we signed up for.
"Maybe you look back at a day like [Friday], and some good can come out of it, too."
We can only hope Hendry is right. In addition to a bat, it's pretty clear the Cubs need bullpen help. May I suggest that the Cubs call the A's and ask about Brad Ziegler? Ziegler had a terrific scoreless streak to start his career last year, but has struggled at times in 2009. He might be available.
Shameless promotion: I will be leaving the Cell early today, but for a good reason -- Kasey Ignarski and I will be signing copies of "Cubs By The Numbers" at the Book Cellar in Lincoln Square on the north side of Chicago, 4736 N. Lincoln, from 4-6 pm this afternoon. Stop by and pick up a copy! This also means today's recap will be delayed.
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John Danks tied the Cubs in knots on June 17 at Wrigley. In two starts vs. the Cubs he's 1-0, 1.48. Milton Bradley has gone 3-for-6 vs. Danks, and overall Bradley has hit much better vs. LHP this year (.327/.400/.490, though in a fairly small-sample-size 48 at-bats).
The next day, June 18, Z threw seven good innings at Wrigley vs. the White Sox but left trailing 3-1. Thanks to the bullpen, they made it 5-1 before the Cubs mounted the first of their three straight comeback wins. Paul Konerko has hit four career HR off Z in 25 AB -- that's the most that any AL player has hit off him.
Len & Bob will be on WGN today. The other guys are on CSN Chicago. For amusement, if a close umpiring call goes against the White Sox and you are in Chicago or have the CSN feed on EI, flip over to hear the whining. For other games today see the MLB.com Mediacenter.
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Overflow comment threads will post today at 2 pm, 3 pm and 3:45 pm CDT.
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Let's get some runs!
"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott
Lots of runs.
That way, even our bullpen won’t be able to blow this game.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
'It sucks. What do you want me to say.'
—Theriot on the DeRosa trade (via Twittermyer)
"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott
"We make him pissed."
I English me no much very well, I because were borned at foreign country. But this son of prostitute his mother can go a long penis English in your crap.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
Let me guess
Babelfish English→Spanish→English?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
After all is said and done,
more is usually said than done. It’s time to start playing good baseball. Get all this DeRosa/bradley/bullpen stuff off the front pages and just start winning. We’re getting close to last in the division, but luckily, close to first too. With the Pirates, Brewers, Braves and Cardinals on the horizon, it’s time to control our own destiny, especially with 10 home games going into the all-star break. 10 wins (starting today) out of the next 15 would seem to put us where we all would like to be, especially if we can get up on the top two teams in the NL Central. Let’s get back to winning baseball!
This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).
Absolutely
Especially the series next week vs. Milwaukee. That one could go a long way into saving this first half.
(Oh, right, my English is crap)
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
Lineup
Soriano
Theriot
Bradley
Lee
Fox (DH)
Soto
Freel (3b)
Fukudome
Blanco.
"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott
Oh, hooray!
Farney at 3B. I’m guessing he’ll go 4-4 with a HR and 3 RBIs
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
As long as he plays smart baseball
I’m okay with him for a few games. That baserunning play yesterday when he scored from third was pretty nice. I have to give him credit when it’s due.
"You have to have short-term memory, no matter who you are in this game. There's always tomorrow." ~Derrek Lee
Wish I'd seen it, then
I was pickling my brain in something that was supposed to taste like root beer at the time. It didn’t.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Pretty nice slide
And some good speed, too. I’ll definitely give him credit for that one.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
as long as he's not playing INSTEAD of fox, I have no problem with him being in the lineup
He’s as good as anyone else we could put out there right now. I’ll take him over Fontenot and Miles
by WanderingWanderer on Jun 28, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Here's the Sox
Podsednick
Ramirez
Dye
Thome
Konerko
Pierzynski
Getz
Beckham
Wise
Both teams identical to yesterday.
"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott
another day
with Blanco in and Fonty out. o.0
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
No rush
For amusement, if a close umpiring call goes against the White Sox and you are in Chicago or have the CSN feed on EI, flip over to hear the whining.
You won’t need to switch channels immediately – knowing those two, you’ll be able to flip over to CSN at any time in the next 3 or 4 innings and they’ll still be complaining about it.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I don't understand how you could call a game with him.
He complains about almost everything, and his strike-out call is among the most annoying in baseball.
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 28, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
I would argue that his HR call is more annoying
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
Forgot about that.
I agree with you.
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 28, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Who was it yesterday,
Who said their ears were bleeding when I mocked Hawk’s strike-out call?
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 28, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Not sure, I wasn't around during all of the game
but any semblance to his call on this site is harshly frowned upon.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
Well yesterday,
I said “He gone” when several White Sox batters struck out. Someone said their ears were bleeding.
I also said “You can put it on the board—yes!” a few weeks ago, when the Cubs hit their home runs at Wrigley against the White Sox.
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 28, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not as bad anymore
Still bad, mind you, but Stone has the sense to shut up — as Hawk’s former partner felt the need to echo Hawk’s mayhem. Hawk should have told Jackso to shut the F up. There was no need for two idiots to yell………….“YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!”
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jun 28, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
All part of the White Sox image
Their marketing, their announcing, even the personalities in the dugout reinforce the outlaw image that the South Siders want to project. They take great pains (and great pleasure) in being the anti-Cubs – unrefined and rough around the edges, and if you don’t like it then T.S..
So how does Steve Stone fit in there?
Seems like he blows that theory up…
Oh, Stone is fitting in very well.
The White Sox can do no wrong. It’s just a little more low-key than Hawk. That final K on Friday had those two wrapped in a pretzel, they were so inflamed.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jun 28, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I heard about what happened Friday
Thankfully, I didn’t see it.
Hawk’s whining about the borderline call on Soriano in the last Cubs-Sox series was beyond embarrassing. Easily, he’s the biggest tool in MLB broadcasting.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 28, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
He complains about nearly anything, as I said.
That, the borderline strikeout on Friday, and the batter interference call against the White Sox in 2007 are the prime examples of him complaining.
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 28, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
As one who grew up in Chicago...
all I can tell you is that for AL fans from around the country who had to put up with Hawk for EI broadcasts always complained to me about what a major homer and whiner he is. They don’t see the White Sox image as “outlaws” but as LOW CLASS. I can’t argue with that view.
"If it's obvious, it's obviously wrong." - a well known stock market guru
And the Pale Hose make no apologies for being low class
All part of their “bastard forgotten child of Chicago baseball” persona.
Daver's always good for a chuckle:
dat_cubfan_dave Re: DeRosa trade – If the Cards win the division, DeRo may be the albatross that breaks Hendry’s neck.
From Twitter.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
Does it really matter?
Personally, I have full confidence that this team WILL win the division this year, despite all of these struggles. Even with Derosa, it doesn’t fix St. Louis/Milwaukee’s key deficiency, pitching. Which we have in droves.
What depresses me is that even though I expect to see the Cubs in the postseason, I can’t hold out any hope that they advance or even contend for the pennant. This team just doesn’t have the offense/bullpen to compete with other top tier teams in the NL. Didn’t we learn from 2003 what happens when you put all of your playoff hopes on the backs of your starting pitchers?
Plus right now, I don’t see any difference between Lou and Dusty. Many of the moves Lou is making with bullpen/pinch hitter matchups and pitching changes, completely boggle my mind. Not to mention his refusal to perform any type of lineup change or bench struggling players at all. Despite the fact that several times he tells the media “changes are coming”, only to do NOTHING!
The Cubs should dedicate this game to the memory of Billy Mays...
He was just found dead at his home in Tampa… so sad. He was such a cool guy.
by lswaidz on Jun 28, 2009 11:31 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
BILLY MAYS HERE IN HEAVEN, TO TELL YOU ABOUT THE NEW GOD-A-MATIC 3000!
NEW AND IMPROVED WITH MORE DIVINITY!
all dings and scratches--gone!
"If it's obvious, it's obviously wrong." - a well known stock market guru
Billy Mays and Judd Sirott
separated at birth?
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
That's too bad...
He was just on the Tonight Show a couple of days ago too.
Prayers for his family and friends.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 28, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
It's kind of weird...
That they list him on Conan’s show as “June 10th”. It was June 23rd….?
(Not that it really matters, but…)
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 28, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Leaving early for a book signing?!
Okay??
Also… kind of odd that Hendry refers to MB as a .220 hitter when he’s actually hitting .236.
it's his book that he's signing.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
""We make [Bradley] pissed. That's not too hard to do. "
God, every time this idiot opens his mouth I think of Samuel Jackson in Pulp Fiction.
“English, motherf***er, do you speak it?”
Ozzie, of course
Is well-known for his even temper and calm demeanor.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
The bullpen is one of
numerous problems on this team. Cubs score only 78 runs innings 7-9. We give up 111. That’s a huge discrepancy and ultimately the real reason we’re not in 1st place. Their bullpens throw a LHP at us and shut us down. We throw anyone at them and over 40% of their first batters get on base.
If you like Selig's handling of the steroid issue, you'll love his choice for next Cub owner.
Cubs - socks coverage
Has anyone noticed the poor coverage of the series on ESPN. The lead guy on Baseball Tonight spoke of beckham hit as being for Chicago. I couldn’t believe that. He even referred to it as “with the Cubs”.The game hasn’t garnered any highlights. All they talk about are mets – yanks, red sox – braves and even dodgers – mariners and pujols and fielder or the talk about Bradley and Piniella. Geez. I’ll say this that yankee fan who got in Wright’s way on the pop- foul- I hope in Chicago a home fan would push him outta the way. I’d do it and if I was at the cell, I’d hope a sox fan would do it to me. I’m living in NY and I can tell ya – the only thing softer than the mets are their fans.
"Everything Sox and Pinstripes Network"
Thanks to CaliCub….
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
try MLB Network
I have been very please with the coverage they show for all teams. Way better than Baseball Tonight.
There was plenty of coverage.....
there was much coverage on ESPN News Saturday about the Pinella-Bradley flare up, as Chris DeLuca of the S-T did a phone interview. The current state of the Cubs was also discussed Saturday morning with one of the ESPN baseball guys, (I’m forgetting which one) who said he was a proponent of the Bradley deal, but now it looks like a bad fit. (Sorry, I was running out the door to work so I forgot who it was)
These are two ‘average’ teams. Why should they garner a lot of exposure? ESPN is running the NY series tonight. The Dodgers are the best team in the NL.
Pujols is having a monster season.
Don’t expect Cubs-centric coverage nationally if they are not doing well.
A bit too much whining here, sorry. This is what Padres fans do, since their team is invisible, nationally.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jun 28, 2009 12:21 PM CDT reply actions
San Diego still has a team?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Cubs - socks coverage
I still disagree. The game – we’re talking about a one-run walk-off on Saturday. The yanks – mets was one-sided, sure great game but not that close same with the Dodgers, and covering Piniella and Bradley is really secondary to the game. The game was probably the most interesting game of that day. Period.
Just watched DeRosa...
on the Cards pregame show. He looks bad in Cardinal red.
He’s starting in LF today and batting cleanup.
Sure.
Who is their right mind would walk around Pujols to get to…DeRosa? :-p
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 28, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Perfect for DeRosa.
He gets to protect Pujols. In turn, he sees the fastballs Pujols doesn’t see often when opposing pitchers throw around him.
by Fraggin Judge on Jun 28, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Better than Khalil Greene
I guess.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
Trivial Fact: The Cubs record
As Underdog: 3-10-0 (.231)
"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott
projected to be 9/3/09.
but not definitive.
I assume you are referring to the Sux @ Wrigley.
"If it's obvious, it's obviously wrong." - a well known stock market guru
DeRosa to the Cardinals makes me want to vomit
Much of the ’09 season has prompted the same reaction.
Jake Fox on learning to play 3B
“I’m not learning any bad habits.”
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
I think I have found my new man-crush
This kid just keeps impressing me at every turn.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
i hope he plays second when ram returns
offen$e plea$e wake up
by lexmarklover on Jun 28, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
it might be pushing it to play him there.
not sure Jake has the range to play 2B.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
Milton do us all a favor and please get at least 1 rbi today.
that would really make my day.
offen$e plea$e wake up
Right after Soriano walks
And Theriot bunts him to second…
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
that's legit right there
offen$e plea$e wake up
by lexmarklover on Jun 28, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
At least the Cubs seem to be finding an offense.
Let’s keep that up. If the good offense ever matches the good pitching, this team may have something.
I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg
CHICAGO CUBS BASEBALL IS ON THE AIR!
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
Lineups
Soriano
Theriot
Bradley
Lee
Fox (DH)
Soto
Freel (3b)
Fukudome
Blanco
Podsednick
Ramirez
Dye
Thome
Konerko
Pierzynski
Getz
Beckham
Wise
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
Ozzie and Hendry
Ozzie is simply stating the obvious here, and goes to show that the Cubs don’t have good chemistry in the dugout.
There should have been 24 others who policed it beforehand, rather than it escalating to the point it did with the Cubs’ skipper.
This tells me me no one really likes Bradley enough to sit him down and tell him to take it easy.
The Cards getting DeRosa is the worst case scenario for JH and the Cubs, cause it’s not everyday you get someone (especially way before the deadline) that is on pace for 100 RBIs and 25 HRs, plus has the ability to play everywhere. Hendry you should fire yourself after this disaster of an offseason.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
"Yeah, Moe, that team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I’ve seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked!" - Homer
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