Far-Fetched Trade Idea...or is it?
by Neifi Puppy on Jun 28, 2009 11:10 AM CDT
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Here's the thought: Milton Bradley and Jake Fox to the A's for Matt Holliday
Now before you go nuts thinking how ridiculous this sounds, let's read into the logistics:
Contracts: Milton - 2 years/$20M (2009-10), plus 2011 option
- 2 years/$20M (2009-10), plus 2011 option
- signed by Chicago Cubs as a free agent 1/6/09
- $4M signing bonus
- 09:$5M, 10:$9M, 11:$12M option
- 2011 may become $12M club option with $2M buyout based on Bradley's health
- 2011 option vests with 75 games played in 2009
Contracts: Matt - 2 years/$23M (2008-09)
- 2 years/$23M (2008-09)
- signed extension with Colorado 1/18/08 (avoided arbitration)
- 08:$9.5M, 09:$13.5M
- award bonuses: $25,000 each for All Star, Gold Glove; $50,000 for Silver Slugger; $75,000 for LCS MVP; $0.1M each for MVP, WS MVP
- acquired by Oakland in trade from Colorado 11/12/08
Contracts: Jake - 1 year/$0.4015M (2009)
- 1 year/$0.4015M (2009)
- re-signed by Cubs 2/25/09
2009 Stats:
Milton: OBP SLG OPS wOBA
.351 .374 .725 .328
Jake: OBP SLG OPS wOBA
.354 .605 .959 .394
Matt: OBP SLG OPS wOBA
.373 .432 .806 .359
Why it works for the A's: Saves on payroll for 2010. The city of Oakland seems to be a better fit for Milton. He may thrive more in not-quite-as-high pressure situations. Jake Fox gives Billy Beane an extra playing card to sign for a modest (possibly under-rated) salary next year, or quickly turn around and trade again. You can argue that Jake is an upgrade over Giambi or Cust.
Why it works for the Cubs: Saves a couple of Million this year...possibly enough to acquire another left-handed reliever. Or at least helps the numbers somewhat when Aaron Miles is unceremoniously dumped. Fox really has no future with this team after Aramis returns. This would also be a counter-punch to the Cardinals, who have been seeking to trade for Holliday before they got DeRosa.
Alright...that's my crazy idea for the season....flame away....
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Bradley won't play in Oakland ever again as long as Billy Beane is their GM
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jun 28, 2009 11:13 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Correct.
That should be the end of this post. I can think of very few teams where Bradley might fit.
The Nationals, oddly, might be one of them. See if you can swap Bradley’s and Dunn’s contracts and give the Nats a pitching prospect or two.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 28, 2009 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok Al
I have defended you mightely in the MB discussions but you need to lay off the Dunn-Crack you be smokin.
I saw you in that coffee shop, breaking the fifth commandment. Congress passes these things for a reason, Lois.
by hansman1982 on Jun 29, 2009 1:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's see.
Adam Dunn has 19 HR, 53 RBI and 60 walks.
The 19 HR ranks 6th in the NL. The 53 RBI rank 7th. The 60 wallks are 2nd, one fewer than Adrian Gonzalez. All these numbers would lead the Cubs by a considerable margin.
Oh, and he has played in 74 of the Nats’ 75 games.
Tell me again why we wouldn’t want this player in our lineup.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 29, 2009 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DeRosa!
Peavy!
Roberts!
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 29, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
AAAAAARRRRRGHHHHHHH!!!!! The LOGIC!!!
MY HEAD! MY HEAD!!
Albert Pujols for Cubs Starting 1B in 2012
by heine41 on Jun 29, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
because
he has to field a position.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 29, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay
you’re okay with bradley, fox and hoffpauir fielding but not adam dunn?!
by TJ3117 on Jun 29, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley
is a fine outfielder. I’m NOT fine with Fox or Hoffpauir in the OF on any regular basis.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 29, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah i guess.....
besides when he forget how many outs there are
by TJ3117 on Jun 29, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was a stupid mistake
it’s not like he does it regularly.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 29, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dunn's Value at the plate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any potential gaffes in the OF
Albert Pujols for Cubs Starting 1B in 2012
by heine41 on Jun 29, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i completely agree
Why anyone wouldnt want Dunn is beyond me. I guess people don’t realize Dunn has more homers than Bradley has RBI’s!!! Dunn playing 82 games at Wrigley…makes my mouth water.
by TJ3117 on Jun 29, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
81, but your point stands
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 29, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hopefully 89-92 :)
Albert Pujols for Cubs Starting 1B in 2012
by heine41 on Jun 29, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 29, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like this, but...
I think a 3rd team needs to be involved. Bradley won’t be going to Oakland, but maybe he could get shipped to KC or Seattle, with them sending a player to Oakland so we can get Holliday. However, I do like Fox’s bat, and with him hitting as well as he has been, he’s no worse in RF than Bradley.
Andy R.
by WindisBlowingOut! on Jun 28, 2009 11:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why would KC...
want Bradley and his contract?
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have ignored one thing
Bradley’s 2011 will very shortly kick in.
I also expect that if oakland trades Holliday, they will want youth not a contract with $21 million left.
by rlpete on Jun 28, 2009 11:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
When does the third year kick in?
I thought it was games played over two seasons that triggered it.
by BucknerKongCardenal on Jun 28, 2009 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
when he hits 75 GP this year if im not mistaken
Albert Pujols for Cubs Starting 1B in 2012
by heine41 on Jun 29, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The A's are building again
in the hopes of being a contender again in a couple of years. Their rotation is full of talented young arms and they need to gather some young offensive talent to go with the arms. When Holliday goes (not if) it will be for young talent, major league ready talent. Fox might fit that need, but Bradley, even if you ignore his history with Beane, does not.
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Jun 29, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention the Cards
Are setting their sights on Holliday and possibly Garrett Atkins
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jun 28, 2009 12:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There are two teams that I could think would want Bradley
Texas and the Mets.
Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!
by Cub Style on Jun 28, 2009 12:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
SF Giants
Randy Wells - You continue to astound me.
by DGU on Jun 28, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only way I could see that is if Schierholtz or Milton moves to first base.
And if we get Randy Winn as well. I wouldn’t mind getting Randy but they need a 1B not an OF.
Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!
by Cub Style on Jun 28, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they'll take any hitter they can get
and work out the positions as they go.
Randy Wells - You continue to astound me.
by DGU on Jun 28, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't see Hendry admitting a mistake and dealing Bradley.
I’m hoping the Cubs go after Dan Uggla.
SORIANO! YESSSSSSSS! JIMBO!!!
by CubFaninCA on Jun 28, 2009 12:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I heard the Giants are looking for hitting
Question is if they’d be willing to take on Bradley’s contract and health/emotional issues. I suppose if Sabean was really interested (desperate?) he could try to sell Milton on the less-than-intense spotlight the Giants operate under.
But then we’d need to get an OF back, unless Lou and Hendry want to go with the Hoff patrolling right.
by CaliCub on Jun 28, 2009 1:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"It's a mighty coincidence that every black guy who's been there the last three years — you can go back to Jermaine Dye, Terrence Long, Mike Singleton — is gone."
That is Bradley talking about Billy Beane in Aug 2007. So do you really think Beane would entertain a trade for Bradley? Get real!
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Jun 29, 2009 9:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, let's see.
Dye helped lead the A’s to three playoff berths and a fourth season where they missed the postseason by one game. He was allowed to leave as a free agent because he was too expensive for the A’s limited payroll.
Terrence Long, same thing.
I presume Bradley was talking about Chris Singleton — who wasn’t really any good.
For Bradley to accuse Billy Beane of getting rid of players because they are black is patently ridiculous.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 29, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the poster's point was that Bradley burned a bridge with Beane
Basically.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 29, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True enough...
… but what he said was patently false.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 29, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, but that's what Bradley said
Your comment just read to me like you thought the OP was giving it credence. I think you’re on the same page. I think.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 29, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Guess you missed my point
big time
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Jun 29, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Giants might work
though Cubs would have to throw in some cash and be content with some combination of Fred Lewis, Emmanuel Burris and/or Travis Ishikawa in return. Not sure that makes the Cubs any better but it would reduce the zany factor at Wrigley.
by seesdifferent on Jun 29, 2009 11:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd do that.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 29, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Y'know, as trade scenarios go...
…this one seems pretty good. At least it’s well thought-out as far as money and team needs. I’ve always been a little suspicious of Matt Holliday, though. (Coors Field and all that.) And I wasn’t aware of Bradley’s history with Beane. (Is there anyone in baseball Milton doesn’t have a history with?)
My gut says the Cubs are stuck with Bradley. If for no other reason that it would be really hard for Hendry to sell Milton as a “hitter” right now – unless Jimbo’s somehow able to work the “change of scenery” angle.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 29, 2009 1:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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