Cubs Reach New Low In 6-0 Loss To White Sox
I barely know what to write any more about these defeats. The Cubs' 6-0 loss to the White Sox was about as listless an effort as I have seen in a Cubs team since 2006.
Three times in the first six innings, the Cubs had a runner on third base with less than two out. And three times, that runner stood there, unable to score. Get a couple of those guys home, and the dribbling of runs -- one here, two there -- by the White Sox might not have happened.
This team is walking around as if it's already defeated. Which, perhaps, it is. Now, I'm usually the one saying, "It's still early!" And, there is still more than half a season remaining, 90 games as of today, and 50 wins in those 90 games -- a .556 percentage, not unattainable -- would make 85. In this year's Comedy Central, that might still take it. The Brewers lost 7-0 today to a guy making his major league debut -- see, the Cubs aren't the only team that guys like that make look silly -- and the Cardinals lost to the Twins 6-2 with the newly acquired Mark DeRosa going 0-for-3 (hooray!). Thus the Cubs still remain only 3.5 games out of first place, heading into a series in Pittsburgh, a place where they have gone 11-7 since 2007.
Getting Aramis Ramirez back will not fix this team. He'll help, but he likely won't be 100% for most of, if not all of, the rest of the season and thus the Cubs need another bat. I have to believe Jim Hendry is working his cellphone overtime trying to find one, if for this reason alone: he's trying to save his job. The 2009 Cubs were, in my opinion, poorly constructed to begin with and with absolutely no depth to help out with injuries -- do you think the Cubs could have used Reed Johnson the last two days? Kosuke Fukudome can't hit lefthanders at all. Including today: 4-for-20. Jake Fox has come back to Earth -- 0-for-8 the last two days against the lefties he's supposed to crush (he did draw a walk against John Danks, and had a nice at-bat, one of the few the Cubs had all day).
About Carlos Zambrano's antics -- well, I don't think he was throwing at DeWayne Wise, do you? He had just allowed Chris Getz to steal home by throwing a ball away on the previous pitch, and knowing Carlos, he was steaming on the inside and just threw a ball kind of wherever he wanted, and it wound up on Wise's body. Incidentally, I realize plate umpire Brian Runge was just trying to get Carlos out of the way, but he put his hand on Z's back. Isn't this what Paul Schrieber had to apologize to Magglio Ordonez earlier this year for doing? The game, unfortunately, was well in the Sox' hands by then -- 3-0, on its way to being 5-0 in that inning -- and I think Z was simply letting his frustration get to him.
No one hit today, particularly with runners on base, so it would be unfair of me to single out Milton Bradley. But Bradley didn't look good striking out twice, and I repeat what I said the other day, trying to be fair here: I simply don't think the Chicago Cubs and Milton Bradley are a good fit. He told Paul Sullivan of the Tribune that he doesn't crave attention, and would rather do his job and just go home. That's great, but the Cubs don't afford him that luxury. This is a place where attention comes with the job. As a couple of people here have suggested, perhaps the pressure put on players and managers here because the team hasn't won in 100 years is too much for any individual to bear. I don't know what the answer is to that, and I'm not sure anyone does.
What I do know is that this team doesn't appear built to win the way it's currently constructed. Jim Hendry can fix that. There's still time. Go do it, Jim. At 3.5 games out, the division can still be taken.
As I noted in the preview post, I left in the 6th inning to sign, along with Kasey Ignarski, copies of "Cubs By The Numbers" at the Book Cellar in Lincoln Square. As a result, I was treated to the last three innings with Pat & Ron. They began discussing the spelling of Tigers pitcher Joel Zumaya's name. Ron couldn't quite get it. Then the name reminded Santo, somehow, of the campfire folk song "Kumbaya". If you didn't hear it, Santo started singing "Kumbaya". Pat was nearly rendered speecheless.
It's been that kind of year. Let's hope the baseball improves, or we're going to get more of that.
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How did the book signing go?
I hope better than the outcome of todays game…
by LT on Jun 28, 2009 6:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It was fun.
Sold a few books, talked to some other authors. Sorry you couldn’t make it! (Yes, I know you don’t live here.)
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 28, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pat & Ron gave up on the team today too
…as you heard. Pretty much all day it was props for the Sox who were doing well (like Danks), and restrained dismay over the Cubs’ performances.
by ChipSet on Jun 28, 2009 6:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Classy guys that they are (Pat & Ron)....they give kudos to the better team....
Do the Cubbies look listless to everyone? I can’t figure out if it is just me or if they really are listless….
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Jun 28, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately, they look pretty darn listless to me.
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 28, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, classy guys.
And dadgum it, I don’t hear the other side reciprocating when called for.
by ChipSet on Jun 28, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hawk
When the Cubs are doing well against the Sox, all he says is nothing….just dead air. He is by far the worst and most biased announcer I’ve ever seen.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
"Yeah, Moe, that team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I’ve seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked!" - Homer
by propheteer on Jun 28, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+ one million
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Jun 28, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bias is one thing
Uecker is biased… but classy, endearing, and professional.
Hawk is biased… and… not so much.
"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott
by Reddevil on Jun 28, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'd rather miss the game
entirely than watch it with hawk calling it.
DEJESUS!!!
by tomas21 on Jun 28, 2009 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The guy
flat out ruins the game for any fan of an opposing team. And listening to Stoney have to play second fiddle to that bumpkin makes it even worse.
Frito: What's the minus of thirty and twenty?
Joe: Uh, it's eighty. It's eighty billion dollars. That's a mighty big minus isn't it?
Frito: Yeah. I like money.
by OmahaCub on Jun 28, 2009 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wondered
don’t they have two “color” guys calling their games? I think that is the problem.
"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott
by Reddevil on Jun 28, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Calling Hawk a "color" man is like calling a Nazi a nice guy.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
"Yeah, Moe, that team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I’ve seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked!" - Homer
by propheteer on Jun 28, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
And that’s funny.
"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott
by Reddevil on Jun 28, 2009 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or calling a Cardinal fan a humble person!
Go Cubs Go! Go Cubs Go!
Hey Chicago what do you say,
The Cubs are gonna win today!
by revtrh on Jun 29, 2009 7:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personally...
I do think Zambrano was throwing at him. We’ve seen this before (the game where Edmonds hit 2 HR’s off of him in 2004 I want to say) where he makes a mistake and then takes out his anger with a fastball to the backside of the hitter. If it helps him to cool down, then so be it. I don’t have a problem with it.
I can’t help but wonder if Fukudome’s struggles against LHP are because he never gets to face lefties. Ever. So they’re so foreign to him when he finally does. I can’t imagine he was a platoon player in Japan — not many MVP’s are. Does anyone have his splits over there?
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 6:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He faced lefties most of last year here.
Hit .276/.371/.354 against them, a higher average but less power than vs. RHP.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 28, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also...
I’m getting so sick of Soriano’s lollygagging in the field. I posed this question in the game thread, but I’ll ask it again… when’s the last time he dove for a ball? Has he ever as a member of the Cubs? Like, a legit dive — not where he makes a shoestring catch and falls to the ground. He gives up on WAY too many balls.
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 6:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We've been told Soriano is playing injured....
…the alleged reasons for struggling at the plate and in the field.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jun 28, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then he needs to go on the DL.
Because he is not helping the team this way.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 28, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I'm thinking
This “slump” is going on a lot longer than normal for Sori
by LT on Jun 28, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice running catch today
I agree he probably needs a break though.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
"Yeah, Moe, that team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I’ve seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked!" - Homer
by propheteer on Jun 28, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i really think if he doesnt go to the DL he should be put down in the DL, i mean he cant do worse lower in the order, right?
by jesus christos on Jun 28, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought you were calling for him to be
put to sleep
by LT on Jun 28, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 28, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, this the has put ME to sleep for most of the year...
Go Green! Go White! GO STATE!
King Leonidas: Spartans! What is your profession?
Spartans: HA-OOH! HA-OOH! HA-OOH!
by Zeke on Jun 29, 2009 6:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One nice running catch, sure....
3 others he either judged wrong or totally gave up on.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 28, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly...........
and Lou needs to make a change
"We got some pretty good chemistry here. We got some toughness, and it's starting to show." - Lou Pinella
by Clutche on Jun 28, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe if not on the DL...
Then at least a few days off. If Reed wasn’t hurt, we could put him in there for Alfonso.
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 28, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the GM's decision,
isn’t it?
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
by kcjones on Jun 28, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he almost killed himself on the wall
against the Indians, near the same place where DeRosa ran into the phone box. Not every player has to dive.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you don't remember one instance...
of him diving for a ball here in two and a half years he’s been here?
I rest my case.
And I remember that play, it was a nice catch. He actually ran hard for the ball — something else that you don’t frequently see from him.
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he ran hard for the ball today.
We’ve seen it a lot this year. He’s been improving as a fielder.
You can’t blame him for not moving when Riot dropped that pop-up.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You really think so?
I think he’s regressed as a fielder big-time this year. He’s misjudged so many routine fly balls.
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen him go back to the wall
with much more ease, and I’ve seen him run for the ball flat out. I do think his knees hurt, and I think he doesn’t want to go on the DL because he feels that he can play his way out of it, but that’s utter speculation on the latter part of that.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And again...
No one can seem to recall ONE TIME where he actually dove for a ball! How is that possible?!
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so what?
I don’t remember Sammy diving for the ball all that much. If you’re fast enough to get under it, you don’t have to dive.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Late September, 2003...
Game Sean Estes started and tossed a shutout, against Pittsburgh I wanna say… Sammy made an incredible diving catch. He used to dive when needed, that’s a pretty poor comparison.
And you’re REALLY doing a bad job of defending Sori here. “So what?” Seriously? So what if your players don’t give 100%?
Your last statement is just absurd. We’ve seen Soriano give up on balls countless times.
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember that play
Sosa was like a dolphin on the DOWNHILL side of the curve when he caught the ball. It was an absolute perfect play.
I’m not sure I could name another one though.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jun 28, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure why Sammy's name was even brought up...
he is irrelevant to a discussion regarding the effort of Soriano. But I don’t ever remember anyone questioning Sammy’s effort. Ever.
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
an example of another player
who didn’t dive much.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again, so what?
I’m not saying that Soriano is the only player in baseball who doesn’t give 100%. You don’t have to try and think of other players (though again, Sammy was a terrible example) who can dog it from time to time.
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why is Sammy a bad example?
you just got through saying that no one questioned Sammy’s effort. But you would — because he rarely dove for the ball, right? And that’s an indication that he didnt’ give 100%, right?
Cripes.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're impossible.
It’s not just about diving for balls. It’s about lollygagging out there. The diving for balls was just an example of Soriano’s poor effort — considering he NEVER does it.
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you haven't made
a compelling case for him being lazy. But then, no one ever really has.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll agree he's not lazy...
But just lacks outfield instincts. I don’t doubt he’s trying.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 28, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this
I agree with.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is EXACTLY correct
Albert Pujols for Cubs Starting 1B in 2012
by heine41 on Jun 28, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this. And so did the Sox radio announcers.
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Jun 28, 2009 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
a player has to dive to prove that he’s giving 100%. Shrug.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When the alternative...
is to pull up and let it bounce in front of you, yes, it’s a matter of giving 100%.
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
he’s doing that. He may be getting a late jump, taking a bad route. Or, you know. The ball is dropping in front of him, because that’s what base hits do when they’re not going over your head.
It’s not like this is easy. if it were easy, everyone would do it.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good grief.
The dude hasn’t dove for a ball in 2.5 years and you’re gonna sit here and tell me you think he’s giving 100% on every play? Seriously, man?
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL.
Okay then. Thank you for at least confirming your incredibly absurd logic. I suppose this discussion is more or less over then.
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was over
before you started. You’ve never been able to prove that Soriano is lazy, and you won’t be able to — because, you know. He’s not.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soriano isn't lazy
he’s just a really poor outfielder. You gotta live with it though because his bat seems to be heating up a slight bit.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jun 28, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's a perfectly fine outfielder
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's a below average fielder.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jun 28, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree.
well, this year, so far, fine. But as a ball player, he’s a fine left-fielder.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cmon Drew
seriously you can not think that Soriano is a FINE left fielder..he is easily one of the worst in the game..end of story no one should ever argue with that..and if someone does then they just have a man crush on that guy..cuz he is terrible in the field
by cubbiepride on Jun 28, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I continue
to disagree. Someone put the stats up in another post. He was second only to Braun.
It’s not like Left field is where you put your best defensive players.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What the hell kind of stat...
Has Ryan Braun as the best defensive left fielder? And what kind of idiot actually puts stock into that stat?!
Seriously, do you watch the games? Anyone will tell you that Ryan Braun is a terrible LF.
by kanderber on Jun 29, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you keep asking that question
and I keep answering it.
Who said I was ranking defensive left-fielders?
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 29, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
Considering that’s what the entire discussion has been about…
Alfonso Soriano isn’t second in anything this year. Not offense and certainly not defense.
by kanderber on Jun 29, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no one is arguing
that he’s playing well this year, although he’s shown flashes.
I’ve been talking about his history as a left fielder. He has been a good one.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 29, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A good one, yes.
2nd best in baseball? Absolutely not.
by kanderber on Jun 29, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never said he was 2nd best in baseball.
I never said he was 1st best in baseball.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 29, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ummmm, yes, you did. Look up!
“I continue to disagree. Someone put the stats up in another post. He was second only to Braun.”
by kanderber on Jun 29, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you saying Braun is the best LF in baseball?
because I did not say that.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 29, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you mentally retarded?
I don’t mean that as an insult, it’s an honest question. What I quoted was your words a handful of posts above this.
Christ, man.
by kanderber on Jun 29, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
find where it says
“best in baseball” above. It doesn’t.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 29, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you keep asking that question
and I keep answering it.
Who said I was ranking defensive left-fielders?
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 29, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gee, what a surprise.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 29, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think he's dreamy?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 29, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
inappropriately
fixed that for ya.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 29, 2009 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you could say that Shangai
said that inappropriately, absolutely.
by ol Pete on Jun 29, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, you think he’s dreamy in an inappropriate fashion.
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 29, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is that?
Would groovy have been a better term?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 29, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cool - we agree on something
I find Braun inappropriate, too.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 29, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for the chuckle
Braun is excellent at fielding, so you make some weird personal attack on me. heh
by ol Pete on Jun 29, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I made fun of your choice of words, not you
I don’t even know you.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 29, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
♫You know, you acting like you don’t know
I tear the club up fo’ sho’
This flow is gon’ bring mo dough
And you know but you acting like you don’t know
♫
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 29, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
♪♫♪♫
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 29, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
c'mon now
the word “excellent.” You don’t have to actually meet me to make personal attacks, as well you know.
by ol Pete on Jun 29, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, you're correct.
My comment about knowing you wasn’t substantive evidence.
However, I meant nothing personal by the original comment. I was merely being silly.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 29, 2009 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he loves gazing into
his big large enormous AMAZINGLY HUGE GOOGLY EYES!
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 29, 2009 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
if we’re making fun of people, how about Marmol?
by ol Pete on Jun 29, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's got big ears
and he can’t throw his fastball over the plate.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 29, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure.
Those ears make him look like a car with the doors open.
How’s that?
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 29, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and not just any car
a car with REALLY BIG DOORS. Maybe that’s the problem — the wind is blowing in at Wrigley when he pitches, and it’s pushing him over on the mound.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 29, 2009 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're on to something there
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 29, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
someone give Larry Rothschild
a crate of duct-tape!
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 29, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The circular logic here...
Is astounding.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 29, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's pretty bad Drew...
Even Brenly has had enough of watching him out there.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 28, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're wasting your time
He’s convinced Sori is the best LF in the NL
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can see where he's coming from...
Because when Sori is on offensively, I think people can stomach the defense.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 28, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, the hot streaks are amazing
But there isn’t much consistency.
He’s an above average offensive player when he’s right, but he’s not the best LF.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jun 28, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Statistics....
would indicate that he’s actually a pretty good LF…and ranks pretty well with a number of metrics.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 29, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He didn't have
a particularly great day, although he made a good running catch today.
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is an absurd statement
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
by DC Cubbie on Jun 28, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Try watching a game sometime...
the case will present itself.
What about the leadoff hit into the gap that the freaking CF-er had to chase down, spin around, and fire into second? How on earth was that not a double?
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I watch and/or listen to
almost every game that’s played, save the ones on the west coast.
Have you stopped reading the bits where we talk about how he’s playing with a hurt knee?
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
right.
because playing the exceedingly athletic game of baseball is easy.
Why aren’t you doing it, again?
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who's talking it being easy?
The dude makes almost 20 million dollars. He could freaking give 100% on a daily basis. But he doesn’t.
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
except
for the part where he does. Because, you know. Proof. You ain’t got none.
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure.
but I’m not the one questioning him. You are. Burden of proof. You know. On the accuser. But you got none.
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This isn't a freaking court of law...
I don’t have to “prove” anything. What’s wrong with you?
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you come claiming one thing
I expect you to prove it. If you don’t…..bro….it kinda discredits anything you say
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by heine41 on Jun 28, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ummm, that goes both ways... bro...
I can’t prove that he doesn’t give 100%, as I claim, just as you can’t prove that he does, as you claim.
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're the one
making the claim, “bro”.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is asinine....its like me calling you gay
can I prove it? No. But I guess you can’t really prove to me otherwise….so I guess you are gay?
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by heine41 on Jun 28, 2009 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
it’s supposed to be an example of being unable to prove a negative.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not at all, just an example of poor logic
But apparently, I’m a 12 year old, so what do I know
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by heine41 on Jun 29, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nothing
again, you’re the one who is making the accusation, but you’ve got nothing to back it up. So I adeptly and adroitly parry your accusations with “no, he doesn’t” and don’t need anything else.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've got my eyes to back it up...
Try stepping away from your computer for ONE GAME… just actually (crazy concept coming) WATCH THE GAME once rather than reporting to the blog what happens after every pitch. Maybe then you will see what is so obvious.
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
again
I watch games all the time. There are these things called laptops, you know.
What’s obvious is that you’ve got an anti-Soriano bias. I won’t speculate as to why. I don’t particularly care. You’re wrong. You have no proof. You’re welcome to your opinion, but it carries no weight.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
See that's the thing...
I don’t have anti-Soriano bias at all. I’m a fan of his. The only Cub I dislike is Miles. You, on the other hand seem to have the blinders on. But that goes for every Cubs player. You constantly defend every single player on this roster. Which, of course, diminishes what small amount of credibility you had to begin with.
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not at all
but you consistently rag on Soriano, and you’ve got no reason to do so. So, whatever. You’re the one making the accusation. Back it up, or drop it.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No reason to do so?
.230 BA, low 700 OPS, 18M salary. Should I keep going?
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
none of which
is evidence of anything other than an extended slump, and certainly no evidence of being lazy.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Try and keep up...
That was in response to your “you’ve got no reason to rag on Soriano” statement.
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's all built
on your house of cards that he’s lazy.
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
very well said
"We got some pretty good chemistry here. We got some toughness, and it's starting to show." - Lou Pinella
by Clutche on Jun 28, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He really does have knee trouble
And should be on the DL
I don’t question Sori’s desire. I do question his instincts as an outfielder.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Drew - forget Kanderber for a second and reply to Shanghai (or me) here
because as Soriano’s staunchest defender on BCB, I’d love to know your thoughts on what Shanghai says.
If Soriano is hurt as you claim, then don’t you think he should go on the DL? If no, then why not? Can you honestly tell me that you’re pleased with Soriano’s entire body of work this season? If not, then what would you suggest to improve it?
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by ballhawk on Jun 28, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve said several times in the past few weeks that I’d like to see him sit. But I wouldn’t want Hoff or Fox out there for an extended amount of time. When RJ comes back, if Sori need to sit for a week, then by all means, sit him. I think he needs the rest.
I wouldn’t mind if he picked up a lighter bat, either.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a much better and more concise argument...
… than going back and forth with several people contentiously.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 28, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are arguing someone needs to dive for a ball in order to display hustle or effort
its just not his game.
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by heine41 on Jun 28, 2009 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The other thing you have to remember
is that he started out as an infielder not an outfielder. If you don’t know what you are doing on a dive you could be on the DL in a hurry
by LT on Jun 28, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a terrible argument...
He’s 30 something years old and has been playing baseball since he was a little kid. He knows how to dive.
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay?
I’m just saying, what you said it’s just flat out silly. He doesn’t know how to properly dive? Come on.
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why is DIVING so important to you?
Soriano sucks cause he doesn’t make the highlight reels?
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by heine41 on Jun 28, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Am I talking to a 12 year old?
Why is diving important? Do you honestly not know the answer to that?
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand the importance of diving
But it is no secret it isn’t a part of fonzi’s game. I can’t blame him for knowing that and taking a ball on the hop instead of misplaying it and it leading to a triple
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by heine41 on Jun 28, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've got to disagree with you on this
My favorite player of all time rarely dove, yet consistently led the league in total chances at his position. He prided himself on being in position to make a play without having to dive.
He also won nine gold gloves and is the reason why my softball jersey has “23” on the back of it.
Diving isn’t the be-all end-all way to judge a fielder.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ryno would dive for balls...
both up the middle and in the hole. He was my favorite player as well, and is the reason I’m a Cubs fan.
I know diving isn’t the end all be all. But I think it’s pretty representative of a player’s effort when he hasn’t dove for a ball in over two years. Wouldn’t you agree?
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily
I’m sure you’ve played some kind of ball at some level. I never was great, but I can tell you this — the times that I have dove for a ball, it just happened. It wasn’t a concious decision; I was going for the ball and that’s what my body ended up doing to get there.
Sori’s instincts are bad . . . and I think the instincts are what makes a player dive. You may disagree; what do you think from your own experience?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't played...
organized baseball since little league, so I really can’t add much from personal experience.
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, again - I'm not that good
But that’s been my own experience on the softball diamond.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep
and have you ever had guys who have played infield most of their life play some outfield in a blowout game? They have a hard time getting a read on the ball coming to them. It takes a lot of instincts and time playing out there. Now Sori is a pro athlete, but I don’t think he looks comfortable out there. Luckily he has a cannon for an arm.
by LT on Jun 28, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. Forget diving for a second and think about sliding.
Actually don’t think about sliding because if you do, you’re going to mess yourself up but good. Whether you go in feet first or head first, it’s the same thing. You just do it.
[cue Maverick quote]
“If you think, you’re dead.”
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by ballhawk on Jun 28, 2009 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we train our kids on the LL team
to slide when we yell SLIDE! Without fail. I got Max to slide into a puddle doing that the other day. Like, at the park, not during a practice. He was running and playing, and just to test him, I yelled SLIDE! and there it was.
Too bad we can’t train them to get a double when we yell HIT! :P
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if his instincts are bad
wouldn’t that mean he would have to dive for more balls?
i don't really consider a raspberry from sliding into home an injury
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 29, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So he can make an out?
Instead of a single. Getting to the ball…either by getting a good jump, pure speed, climbing a wall, or diving for a ball is important to ANY outfielder.
Fonzie doesn’t appear to have (m)any of those skills.
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by carmen_fanzone on Jun 28, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My 0.02
Ryne Sandberg didn’t dive that much, but that’s because he was terrific at being in the right position to start with. Now I’m not saying that Sori is the LF equivalent of Ryno; however diving for a ball isn’t necessarily an accurate way to measure range – or desire.
by CaliCub on Jun 28, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ignore this
I didn’t see Shanghai’s post above mine.
by CaliCub on Jun 28, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was teasing
And people shouldn’t ignore it . .. I don’t have an exclusivity patent on that point! Your paragraph is no less valid.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is there an echo in here? ;-)
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've played basketball my whole life...
But I’m 5’11" and I suck at dunking. Just because he’s played his whole life doesn’t mean one aspect of his game can’t be lacking.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 28, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so you are equating
your physical inability to dunk a basketball to soriano’s lack of desire to dive for a baseball? that doesn’t seem to make sense. You CAN NOT dunk, Soriano WILL NOT dive. There is a major, major difference between those two
by murphymj on Jun 28, 2009 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he lacks...
The physical ability and coordination to dive for balls in the outfield. Coming up as an infielder, he probably didn’t do much full sprinting in on balls, having the opportunity to dive.
He’s in his 30’s now, his legs aren’t what they used to, why should he try to pick up a new skill with the risk of injury? If the rim was lowered a foot for me, I’d be able to dunk. However, I’d still be bad at it and risk injury because it is not in my skill set.
I know the analogy is a stretch, but you get my point.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 28, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soriano is 30..
And how old was Edmonds last year? It’s just nice to see the extra effort every once in awhile..thats all.
by BadDecisions on Jun 29, 2009 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soriano is 33, not 30.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 29, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some guys...
…just don’t look like they are going full blast when they indeed are in their mind. I realize Soriano is not Mr. Hustle, but I also don’t think he intentionally loafs around either. He is what he is, and the Cubs should have known that when he was signed.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Jun 29, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is true...
How many times to you see players roll over there wrists awkwardly. A broken wrist by Soriano and bye-bye bat speed.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 28, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he gave 100% yesterday
when he lead off the game with a single in the gap… Which should have been a double but was still standing at first when the ball finally got thrown back to the infield. Bob and Len called him out on that.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on Jun 29, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you dive and miss the ball.....
and its a triple. If you can’t make it, you can’t make it
Albert Pujols for Cubs Starting 1B in 2012
by heine41 on Jun 28, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously he's not fast enough then...
By the amount of balls dropping in front of him lately. And comparing him to Sammy, yeah… not helping your case much.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 28, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
only because
people have a biased view of Sammy Sosa. I was using him as an example.
If, as has been noted, his knees hurt, then he’s probably struggling to get under the ball. One fly ball, he definitely misplayed today.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I seem to recall Lou saying...
That Soriano may have broken up some scar tissue in his knee or something rounding 1st a few weeks ago, and the pain he had went away. Obviously something is still lingering.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 28, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1st off
do you know how hard it is to dive while hopping for the ball…..???
by cozmotaylor123 on Jun 28, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
now that was funny...
he doesn’t dive cause he doesn’t want to hurt himself, but I believe earlier this year, in maybe Milwaukee, I think, he did make like a half dive… and caught the ball. First time I ever saw him leave his feet. But if the Cubs didn’t have Theriot (or Blanco) running out there on every fly ball getting in his way he may be a better fielder, he never calls them off though, probably because the coaches told soriano to yield to the other players whenever possible… so he just lets the ball drop.
by dtc0405 on Jun 28, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What game were you watching?
"We got some pretty good chemistry here. We got some toughness, and it's starting to show." - Lou Pinella
by Clutche on Jun 28, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
same game everyone else was
except for you and Kanderber. Sori plays hard, and he tries hard. Everyone understands that he’s slumping right now. You can’t sit out a slump on the bench.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soriano
Like you say Drew, isn’t the best but the pissing and moaning is bewildering.
Soriano’s UZR in LF:
’06: 8.1
’07: 1.2
’08: 2.5
UZR isn’t the end all be all of defense stats but it’s a good indication. Soriano isn’t worth all the pissing and moaning, there are other things wrong with this club that are far far more important.
" I hate that lady , but would totally do her. So strange is this mind of mens." - Skisgaar Skwigelf
by Rage and Grace on Jun 28, 2009 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting thing about that...
… compare that to other players in the same position and their UZR… all below have at least 15 games in LF:
2008 UZR: Reed Johnson 4.5, Sori 2.5, DeRo 0.2
2007 UZR: Cliff Floyd 4.6, Matt Murton 1.2, Sori 1.2
Not taking in to account this doesn’t really measure dude’s arm / ability to turn double plays / throw runners out (and other general things we appreciate Dome for), he really isn’t that bad.
Diving / flailing / falling down doesn’t necessarily signify good catch. I see comments here all the time celebrating circus catches and think to myself “well, sure… that looked cool, but if he’d played it a step quicker he’d never have had to leave his feet and risk losing the ball on impact with the ground / wall.”
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by AndrewJStone on Jun 28, 2009 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
The only exception I’ll hold is DeRosa in ‘08 other than that I’d say Soriano’s offense makes up for the lack of defense next to those other names. Soriano has had a few Outfield Assists that I recall, no?
Kinda like what Moneyball talked about with Jeremy Giambi.
" I hate that lady , but would totally do her. So strange is this mind of mens." - Skisgaar Skwigelf
by Rage and Grace on Jun 28, 2009 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's had so many
that runners don’t try any more.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 29, 2009 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley not being a good fit...
…is definitely spot on. This is the wrong place for him to be if he “just wants to do his job and go home.” This is Chicago, and the Chicago Cubs we’re talking about here. This team gets more media attention than every other team besides the Mets and Yankees.
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 28, 2009 6:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
he is not lazy
just sucks at fielding, and so far this year hitting
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
by DC Cubbie on Jun 28, 2009 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry meant for below, too much sun and beer today
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
by DC Cubbie on Jun 28, 2009 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh no..... it's a ball hit to Soriano
Today had to be the worst performance I have seen by a left fielder in a long long time. (since Dave Kingman ) he was lazy uninspired and an embarrassment to this team. I have stood up for him for to long, either he needs to get it together , or get the %&% outta town
LouPrules
by LouPrules on Jun 28, 2009 6:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The worst part is...
He actually appears to be regressing in the field.
by Damen Jackson on Jun 28, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that possible?
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 28, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where exactly can he go?
With his contract, age, indifference in the field, and continued slump who would take him? Teams are not in the business of eating contracts, especially mammoth ones like his. Same with Bradley and Fukudome. Hendry has literally painted himself into a corner.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
"Yeah, Moe, that team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I’ve seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked!" - Homer
by propheteer on Jun 28, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's indifference...
In the field. I think he just legitimately takes horrible routes and gets bad jumps. On the one that dropped in today, he took about two steps back then had to run in on it and have it fall. I won’t knock his effort, he just doesn’t have an outfielder’s instincts.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 28, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what the Sox radio announcers were saying...they also said something like
it’s always a “bonus” when Sori can make a catch in the OF.
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Jun 28, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's
unfair to the extreme. Sori is a competent fielder.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes,
I think Zambrano threw at Wise. He was embarrassed, and I felt like he thought the Sox showed him up on that suicide/steal.
by Damen Jackson on Jun 28, 2009 6:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If that's the case
Then he’s an even bigger idiot than I thought.
Only in Z’s mind can a team show you up by trying to win
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jun 28, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he did...
I would think it more an emotional reaction from an emotional player. But lord knows he’s done dumber.
by Damen Jackson on Jun 28, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree....
Plus, Geo missed the squeeze play. Z threw it outside (maybe a tad too much), like he’s supposed to and Geo was still behind the plate. Not his fault and the next pitch just looked too much inside on Wise, who does crowd the plate.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 28, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
July 2nd-12th is HUGE.
A 4 game set with the Brewers, a 4 game set with the Cardinals during that time. All at Wrigley. Those games are what the season comes down to, IMO. We win those series, we definitely are right in it. However, the way we are playing now, I don’t have too much faith in us winning either one of those series.
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 28, 2009 6:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
CAPTION
“Wow, Geo. That’s a HUGE zit on your forehead!”
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 6:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps Bradley wouldn't be drawing so much "attention"
if he had been simply “serviceable” offensively year to date and not on an RBI pace trailing Cincy PITCHER Micah Owings. There are plenty of games left but a team that can’t go more than two games in a row with a strong offensive performance is probably due for a .500 year in 2009.
by BeltwayCubsFan on Jun 28, 2009 6:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't have thought it earlier.....
but this Pirates series Is HUGE. Andrew McCutcheon appears to be the real deal.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 28, 2009 7:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
Not like it’s some big achievement to do this, but they just took 2 of 3 from the Royals.
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 28, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and only 1.5 games behind us...
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 28, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're also 21-14 at PNC this year.
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 28, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
[Bradley] told Paul Sullivan of the Tribune that he doesn’t crave attention, and would rather do his job and just go home. That’s great, but the Cubs don’t afford him that luxury. This is a place where attention comes with the job.
I’m pretty sure Milton Bradley understands that being a ball player comes with attention. He just doesn’t want any EXTRA attention. LIke, you know. Articles asking if he should be booed before his first at bat at Wrigley.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Tough
The extra attention comes with the territory of playing in the 3rd largest market in the country, for a team that hasn’t won it all in 100 years.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no one wrote an article
asking if Aaron Miles or Kevin Gregg, or Fukudome would be booed before their first at bat at Wrigley.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here we go again.
It’s the big, bad, and apparently racist media.
How is it that Michael Jordan, an admitted philanderer, is the most beloved figure in Chicago sports?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention Ernie Banks...
…Billy Williams, Andre Dawson or for that matter Derrek Lee. Jacque Jones and laTroy Hawkins got the same treatment Todd Hundley did, and for the same reason: lack of production.
by ChipSet on Jun 28, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just so I'm clear
it appears as though you’re justifying racial slurs being thrown out because of lack of production. Please, please tell me it’’s a misunderstanding.
" I hate that lady , but would totally do her. So strange is this mind of mens." - Skisgaar Skwigelf
by Rage and Grace on Jun 28, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a misunderstanding --
Racial slurs are never appropriate. The context of the question, though, was why was about players being “booed”. It was asked of MB and not of other (non-black) players. But the answer has everything to do with his track record.
My point is that the fans and media have a long history of embracing successful players of any color, and disdaining underperforming players of any color.
by ChipSet on Jun 29, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gregg has been mercilessly booed...
Howry was booed and even almost attacked by a fan running onto the field. His race has nothing to do with this.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 28, 2009 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This really wasn't a helpful comment.
It has nothing to do with race and everything to do with the size of his contract and the size of his reputation.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 28, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's well known
Wrigley can be racist. Ask Hawkins and JJ. The media may not but the element is still there.
" I hate that lady , but would totally do her. So strange is this mind of mens." - Skisgaar Skwigelf
by Rage and Grace on Jun 28, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I take issue with such...
I’m sure you don’t mean the stadium… and surely you don’t mean every person that attends Cub home games is racist.
Sure there will be ignorant people, but I would hope that such behavior would be quashed posthaste
"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott
by Reddevil on Jun 28, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely not
I’v’e been to games where Sox fans (surprise!) have yelled some really obnoxious things at the ushers in Wrigley.
The inuendo I was suggesting was that of the fans, not be confused with the actual field, though I don’t know how Wrigley Field could be considered racist but whatever.
" I hate that lady , but would totally do her. So strange is this mind of mens." - Skisgaar Skwigelf
by Rage and Grace on Jun 28, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What does that have to do with the insinuation?
The behavior to JJ and Hawkins – and Baker was reprehensible, but that’s got nothing to do with the media.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dusty too?
I know people were letting him have it in 06 but honestly I thought it was because the team was sucking, he wouldn’t play rookies, he said walks clog the bases, etc..
by CaliCub on Jun 28, 2009 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He got racist mail, yeah.
Sickening.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally uncalled for
I had a lot of problems with Baker and admittedly I need to let go of a lot of frustrations during his time as manager, but I would never do something like that.
by CaliCub on Jun 28, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It gets worse
Reportedly, some people wrote that they hoped his cancer came back. Stuff like that makes me worry about humanity.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You all have my permission to shoot me
if I ever get that carried away in here.
by CaliCub on Jun 28, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Overboard.
There may be a lot you may not like about a person, but hoping that they relapse with cancer is just wrong.
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 28, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reading is a skill
The media may not but the element is still there.
" I hate that lady , but would totally do her. So strange is this mind of mens." - Skisgaar Skwigelf
by Rage and Grace on Jun 28, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So is diplomacy
Which you have consistently shown to be lacking in.
Beyond your snarkiness, the min-thread was a discussion about the media’s treatment of Bradley.
Yes, reading is indeed a skill.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no no
I merely contributing to the thought of racism. Wasn’t talking about Bradley I was talking about racism and how it is prevalent, that’s it.
I’m glad you agree reading is a skill though.
" I hate that lady , but would totally do her. So strange is this mind of mens." - Skisgaar Skwigelf
by Rage and Grace on Jun 28, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is more prevalent than I'd like, yes.
I don’t argue that one bit.
My point, however poorly worded it may have been ,was tomas21’s claim seemed dubious at best.
Kudos to you for the tone of your reply – seriously.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I worked in retail
for years man before I do what I do now, it’s not always easy. Haha.
I see what you mean now. Like I said I was just pointing out the prevalance of the racism. I’m pretty indifferent to Bradley altogether.
" I hate that lady , but would totally do her. So strange is this mind of mens." - Skisgaar Skwigelf
by Rage and Grace on Jun 28, 2009 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still think he'll hit, but I'd like to see a little less of him playing the victim
And I did mean it about the kudos….I do sometimes overreact to statements like that, which I may have this time. You could have easily taken this down a bad road. I’ll keep that in mind.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
his babip
is about .50 off. When he comes out of it he’s gonna rake, it’s only a matter of time though.
" I hate that lady , but would totally do her. So strange is this mind of mens." - Skisgaar Skwigelf
by Rage and Grace on Jun 28, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, it is still very prevalent.
Just look at Vermont, for instance. Only around 2% of the people here are from minority groups. We’re one of the whitest states in the US.
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 28, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the element
is in NY, LA, Hou, Cinn, StL, etc. No one would disagree with that. However, when it is brought up, it suggests that the element of racism is exceptional in Chicago. I would take exception to that.
The city of Chicago has always respected players who play hard, black, white or brown. It seems unfair to suggest there is rampant racism is to denigrate millions of decent people who couldn’t give a damn about race based upon the absurdities of a minuscule number of jerks.
If you like Selig's handling of the steroid issue, you'll love his choice for next Cub owner.
by tharr on Jun 28, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
I wasn’t referring to the media so much as the way under-performing Cubs that happen to be black get demonized WAY more than white guys. Everyone in the stands isn’t racist, everyone on this board (hopefully noone) isn’t racist, but the collective mentality seems to have some racist elements to it.
I am not saying that there haven’t been very unpopular white players (Hundley comes to mind). But nobody gets vilified like a poorly performing black player, and nobody gets deified like an over-performing white guy.
DEJESUS!!!
by tomas21 on Jun 28, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Scottie Pippen is WAY overrated
Almost deified when he was playing.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 things
1. Nobody said anything was absolutes, you are using the exception to try to prove the generalization wrong
2. Scottie Pippen is widely regarded as one of the top 50 players ever. Just because YOU think he’s over-rated does not make it so.
DEJESUS!!!
by tomas21 on Jun 28, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Badger badger badger
Scottie Pippen was the 2nd best player in the NBA when he played.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jun 28, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
snake!
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps you can explain
why only white pitchers get vilified. This year it’s been Heilman and Gregg and Cotts. Last year it was Howry, Marquis and Eyre. How about Farnsworth? So maybe position players who are black and pitchers who are white have been categorized by racists. Is that possible? Of course it isn’t.
Bradley isn’t getting jumped on because he’s black. His performance and actions have made him a target. He put the bullseye on his back. And he can remove it.
If you like Selig's handling of the steroid issue, you'll love his choice for next Cub owner.
by tharr on Jun 28, 2009 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"He put the bullseye on his back"
True, to a certain extent. Well put.
by cubsnlinux on Jun 29, 2009 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marmol hasn't been villified?
I’m not agreeing that it’s racism at all, but Marmol has gotten some crap this year.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 29, 2009 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And why has Marmol gotten crap this year?
His performance.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 29, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that allowed?
/sarcasm
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 29, 2009 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again, tough
Crap happens. Life’s unfair. If that’s the sole reason that he’s having a bad year, he would have been useless, anyway.
You think the fans at Miller Park ask him how things are going? Do they greet him with a “hi, there” in St. Louis?
Professional athletes need to have thicker skins than that. They perform on the public stage.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's the sole reason he's having a bad year.
I think it’s the reason he’s been the focus of this blog so much, tho. And I think he hasn’t been given a fair shake, and I don’t think that “tough” is fair, either.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really? That article is why he's talked about on this blog?
Not the outbursts or the poor offensive output?
Hmm.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
the inordinate media attention is a big part of it, yes.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two things
You insinuated it was that one article . . . I don’t think that’s what you meant, so I won’t harp on that.
However — this is a BLOG. People come here to discuss the Cubs. Of course they’re going to talk about what’s in the MSM.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand that
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then why crusade against it?
It’s a losing battle.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
because
it’s the right thing to do. I don’t pick my battles based on how likely I am to win.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if you think so, carry on
But I think you’re giving it far too much importance…and your case gets weakened when you ignore contradictory evidence.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think his past had a lot to do with it...
And I think the whole DeRosa misconception played a part as well.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 28, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
certainly
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Miles, Gregg nor Dome have the somewhat checkered past that Bradley does as well.
At this point in his career, Bradley has to expect stuff like that, and based on what I’ve read in the last few days, I think he does. Of course, he’d rather not have to see/hear all that stuff all the time, but it’s his bed – he’s made it and he has to lie in it. I think he understands that.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jun 28, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think the racist angle is being incorrectly mushed in with booing
Two separate conversations:
1) Several african-american players have reported hostile environments in Chicago whether it is via hate mail, uttered slurs, etc. Enough players have mentioned it for us to discount there is some validity there.
2) This is different than the booing. Cub fans boo mercilessly with little regard to color and are pretty good gauges on when prolonged bad performance warrants booing. Farnsworth, Howry and Cotts got it just as bad as Bradley, Patterson, etc.
by BeltwayCubsFan on Jun 29, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soriano cont....
I’ve heard no word that he is injured…. If so I take back my words…… but he was just awful playin in the wind today, and totally looked unispired… If that is the best he can do injured, he needs to sit out till he can hustle again
LouPrules
by LouPrules on Jun 28, 2009 7:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I've been looking thru all three Chicago papers
..can’t find anything. But, Len and Bren have mentioned this — that Soriano has been playing hurt most of the season, but he (Soriano) says it’s not enough to disable him or keep him on the bench. (I believe they’ve discussed leg/knee problems)
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jun 28, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've heard knee from Len and Bob.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
"Yeah, Moe, that team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I’ve seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked!" - Homer
by propheteer on Jun 28, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just read your whole post, Al.
The Bradley stuff is getting a bit old. You had a pretty controversial (for lack of a better word) post about him the other day, and your feelings are more than well documented here. Of all people to write a paragraph about today, you choose him? Why not Theriot and his 0-4 day with 2 K’s and the dropped pop up? Why not Soriano and his brutal defense along with a ball hit into the gap which he didn’t wind up on 2B?
Besides, Bradley could’ve easily been 0-2 with 2 BB’s. That called third strike was certainly debatable.
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 7:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
On Theriot
Don’t forget the horrible attempt to tag out Wise, who would have been out by 3 feet had Riot not chased him with the ball, instead of waiting for him to slide into the glove.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess since it's his blog
he can write about whatever he wants.
by sue369 on Jun 28, 2009 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brilliant insight...
Thank you so much for that.
by kanderber on Jun 29, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the love of Mike Myers
Can we please stop with the “He touched him! He touched him! Cooties!” when it comes to umps and players.
The White Sox were coming out of their dugout and the Cubs were coming out of theirs. The umps have every right to keep the players from getting into it.
How about this? If a player, manager, general manager, broadcaster or owner calls attention to a bump, touch, brush, or excessive heavy breathing, then it’s fair game. Otherwise, let’s just assume the men on the field know what is over the line and what isn’t.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jun 28, 2009 7:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Z's quote
Zambrano said the ensuing pitch that hit Wise was a cutter that "cut too much."
"In that situation, I don’t want to get more in trouble. I want to get out of the situation and pitch my six or seven innings," he said.
"I wasn’t even looking at him (Wise). I heard what he said, but I didn’t understand what he said. I just said, ‘What?’ The umpire was good (getting in between) because it was starting to get a little hyper."
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/recap;_ylt=AiiM18NQapU7fvt.Rkm1ZBw5nYcB?gid=290628104
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