Cubs Reach New Low In 6-0 Loss To White Sox
by Al on Jun 28, 2009 6:49 PM CDT
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I barely know what to write any more about these defeats. The Cubs' 6-0 loss to the White Sox was about as listless an effort as I have seen in a Cubs team since 2006.
Three times in the first six innings, the Cubs had a runner on third base with less than two out. And three times, that runner stood there, unable to score. Get a couple of those guys home, and the dribbling of runs -- one here, two there -- by the White Sox might not have happened.
This team is walking around as if it's already defeated. Which, perhaps, it is. Now, I'm usually the one saying, "It's still early!" And, there is still more than half a season remaining, 90 games as of today, and 50 wins in those 90 games -- a .556 percentage, not unattainable -- would make 85. In this year's Comedy Central, that might still take it. The Brewers lost 7-0 today to a guy making his major league debut -- see, the Cubs aren't the only team that guys like that make look silly -- and the Cardinals lost to the Twins 6-2 with the newly acquired Mark DeRosa going 0-for-3 (hooray!). Thus the Cubs still remain only 3.5 games out of first place, heading into a series in Pittsburgh, a place where they have gone 11-7 since 2007.
Getting Aramis Ramirez back will not fix this team. He'll help, but he likely won't be 100% for most of, if not all of, the rest of the season and thus the Cubs need another bat. I have to believe Jim Hendry is working his cellphone overtime trying to find one, if for this reason alone: he's trying to save his job. The 2009 Cubs were, in my opinion, poorly constructed to begin with and with absolutely no depth to help out with injuries -- do you think the Cubs could have used Reed Johnson the last two days? Kosuke Fukudome can't hit lefthanders at all. Including today: 4-for-20. Jake Fox has come back to Earth -- 0-for-8 the last two days against the lefties he's supposed to crush (he did draw a walk against John Danks, and had a nice at-bat, one of the few the Cubs had all day).
About Carlos Zambrano's antics -- well, I don't think he was throwing at DeWayne Wise, do you? He had just allowed Chris Getz to steal home by throwing a ball away on the previous pitch, and knowing Carlos, he was steaming on the inside and just threw a ball kind of wherever he wanted, and it wound up on Wise's body. Incidentally, I realize plate umpire Brian Runge was just trying to get Carlos out of the way, but he put his hand on Z's back. Isn't this what Paul Schrieber had to apologize to Magglio Ordonez earlier this year for doing? The game, unfortunately, was well in the Sox' hands by then -- 3-0, on its way to being 5-0 in that inning -- and I think Z was simply letting his frustration get to him.
No one hit today, particularly with runners on base, so it would be unfair of me to single out Milton Bradley. But Bradley didn't look good striking out twice, and I repeat what I said the other day, trying to be fair here: I simply don't think the Chicago Cubs and Milton Bradley are a good fit. He told Paul Sullivan of the Tribune that he doesn't crave attention, and would rather do his job and just go home. That's great, but the Cubs don't afford him that luxury. This is a place where attention comes with the job. As a couple of people here have suggested, perhaps the pressure put on players and managers here because the team hasn't won in 100 years is too much for any individual to bear. I don't know what the answer is to that, and I'm not sure anyone does.
What I do know is that this team doesn't appear built to win the way it's currently constructed. Jim Hendry can fix that. There's still time. Go do it, Jim. At 3.5 games out, the division can still be taken.
As I noted in the preview post, I left in the 6th inning to sign, along with Kasey Ignarski, copies of "Cubs By The Numbers" at the Book Cellar in Lincoln Square. As a result, I was treated to the last three innings with Pat & Ron. They began discussing the spelling of Tigers pitcher Joel Zumaya's name. Ron couldn't quite get it. Then the name reminded Santo, somehow, of the campfire folk song "Kumbaya". If you didn't hear it, Santo started singing "Kumbaya". Pat was nearly rendered speecheless.
It's been that kind of year. Let's hope the baseball improves, or we're going to get more of that.
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How did the book signing go?
I hope better than the outcome of todays game…
by LT on Jun 28, 2009 6:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It was fun.
Sold a few books, talked to some other authors. Sorry you couldn’t make it! (Yes, I know you don’t live here.)
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 28, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pat & Ron gave up on the team today too
…as you heard. Pretty much all day it was props for the Sox who were doing well (like Danks), and restrained dismay over the Cubs’ performances.
by ChipSet on Jun 28, 2009 6:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Classy guys that they are (Pat & Ron)....they give kudos to the better team....
Do the Cubbies look listless to everyone? I can’t figure out if it is just me or if they really are listless….
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Jun 28, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately, they look pretty darn listless to me.
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 28, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, classy guys.
And dadgum it, I don’t hear the other side reciprocating when called for.
by ChipSet on Jun 28, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hawk
When the Cubs are doing well against the Sox, all he says is nothing….just dead air. He is by far the worst and most biased announcer I’ve ever seen.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
"Yeah, Moe, that team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I’ve seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked!" - Homer
by propheteer on Jun 28, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+ one million
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Jun 28, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bias is one thing
Uecker is biased… but classy, endearing, and professional.
Hawk is biased… and… not so much.
"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott
by Reddevil on Jun 28, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'd rather miss the game
entirely than watch it with hawk calling it.
DEJESUS!!!
by tomas21 on Jun 28, 2009 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The guy
flat out ruins the game for any fan of an opposing team. And listening to Stoney have to play second fiddle to that bumpkin makes it even worse.
Frito: What's the minus of thirty and twenty?
Joe: Uh, it's eighty. It's eighty billion dollars. That's a mighty big minus isn't it?
Frito: Yeah. I like money.
by OmahaCub on Jun 28, 2009 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wondered
don’t they have two “color” guys calling their games? I think that is the problem.
"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott
by Reddevil on Jun 28, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Calling Hawk a "color" man is like calling a Nazi a nice guy.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
"Yeah, Moe, that team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I’ve seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked!" - Homer
by propheteer on Jun 28, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
And that’s funny.
"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott
by Reddevil on Jun 28, 2009 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or calling a Cardinal fan a humble person!
Go Cubs Go! Go Cubs Go!
Hey Chicago what do you say,
The Cubs are gonna win today!
by revtrh on Jun 29, 2009 7:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personally...
I do think Zambrano was throwing at him. We’ve seen this before (the game where Edmonds hit 2 HR’s off of him in 2004 I want to say) where he makes a mistake and then takes out his anger with a fastball to the backside of the hitter. If it helps him to cool down, then so be it. I don’t have a problem with it.
I can’t help but wonder if Fukudome’s struggles against LHP are because he never gets to face lefties. Ever. So they’re so foreign to him when he finally does. I can’t imagine he was a platoon player in Japan — not many MVP’s are. Does anyone have his splits over there?
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 6:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He faced lefties most of last year here.
Hit .276/.371/.354 against them, a higher average but less power than vs. RHP.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 28, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also...
I’m getting so sick of Soriano’s lollygagging in the field. I posed this question in the game thread, but I’ll ask it again… when’s the last time he dove for a ball? Has he ever as a member of the Cubs? Like, a legit dive — not where he makes a shoestring catch and falls to the ground. He gives up on WAY too many balls.
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 6:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We've been told Soriano is playing injured....
…the alleged reasons for struggling at the plate and in the field.
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jun 28, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then he needs to go on the DL.
Because he is not helping the team this way.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 28, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I'm thinking
This “slump” is going on a lot longer than normal for Sori
by LT on Jun 28, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice running catch today
I agree he probably needs a break though.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
"Yeah, Moe, that team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I’ve seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked!" - Homer
by propheteer on Jun 28, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i really think if he doesnt go to the DL he should be put down in the DL, i mean he cant do worse lower in the order, right?
by jesus christos on Jun 28, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought you were calling for him to be
put to sleep
by LT on Jun 28, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 28, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, this the has put ME to sleep for most of the year...
Go Green! Go White! GO STATE!
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Spartans: HA-OOH! HA-OOH! HA-OOH!
by Zeke on Jun 29, 2009 6:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One nice running catch, sure....
3 others he either judged wrong or totally gave up on.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 28, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly...........
and Lou needs to make a change
"We got some pretty good chemistry here. We got some toughness, and it's starting to show." - Lou Pinella
by Clutche on Jun 28, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe if not on the DL...
Then at least a few days off. If Reed wasn’t hurt, we could put him in there for Alfonso.
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 28, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the GM's decision,
isn’t it?
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
by kcjones on Jun 28, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he almost killed himself on the wall
against the Indians, near the same place where DeRosa ran into the phone box. Not every player has to dive.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you don't remember one instance...
of him diving for a ball here in two and a half years he’s been here?
I rest my case.
And I remember that play, it was a nice catch. He actually ran hard for the ball — something else that you don’t frequently see from him.
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he ran hard for the ball today.
We’ve seen it a lot this year. He’s been improving as a fielder.
You can’t blame him for not moving when Riot dropped that pop-up.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You really think so?
I think he’s regressed as a fielder big-time this year. He’s misjudged so many routine fly balls.
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen him go back to the wall
with much more ease, and I’ve seen him run for the ball flat out. I do think his knees hurt, and I think he doesn’t want to go on the DL because he feels that he can play his way out of it, but that’s utter speculation on the latter part of that.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And again...
No one can seem to recall ONE TIME where he actually dove for a ball! How is that possible?!
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so what?
I don’t remember Sammy diving for the ball all that much. If you’re fast enough to get under it, you don’t have to dive.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Late September, 2003...
Game Sean Estes started and tossed a shutout, against Pittsburgh I wanna say… Sammy made an incredible diving catch. He used to dive when needed, that’s a pretty poor comparison.
And you’re REALLY doing a bad job of defending Sori here. “So what?” Seriously? So what if your players don’t give 100%?
Your last statement is just absurd. We’ve seen Soriano give up on balls countless times.
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember that play
Sosa was like a dolphin on the DOWNHILL side of the curve when he caught the ball. It was an absolute perfect play.
I’m not sure I could name another one though.
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by Worf on Jun 28, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure why Sammy's name was even brought up...
he is irrelevant to a discussion regarding the effort of Soriano. But I don’t ever remember anyone questioning Sammy’s effort. Ever.
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
an example of another player
who didn’t dive much.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again, so what?
I’m not saying that Soriano is the only player in baseball who doesn’t give 100%. You don’t have to try and think of other players (though again, Sammy was a terrible example) who can dog it from time to time.
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why is Sammy a bad example?
you just got through saying that no one questioned Sammy’s effort. But you would — because he rarely dove for the ball, right? And that’s an indication that he didnt’ give 100%, right?
Cripes.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're impossible.
It’s not just about diving for balls. It’s about lollygagging out there. The diving for balls was just an example of Soriano’s poor effort — considering he NEVER does it.
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you haven't made
a compelling case for him being lazy. But then, no one ever really has.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll agree he's not lazy...
But just lacks outfield instincts. I don’t doubt he’s trying.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 28, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this
I agree with.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is EXACTLY correct
Albert Pujols for Cubs Starting 1B in 2012
by heine41 on Jun 28, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this. And so did the Sox radio announcers.
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Jun 28, 2009 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
a player has to dive to prove that he’s giving 100%. Shrug.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When the alternative...
is to pull up and let it bounce in front of you, yes, it’s a matter of giving 100%.
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
he’s doing that. He may be getting a late jump, taking a bad route. Or, you know. The ball is dropping in front of him, because that’s what base hits do when they’re not going over your head.
It’s not like this is easy. if it were easy, everyone would do it.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good grief.
The dude hasn’t dove for a ball in 2.5 years and you’re gonna sit here and tell me you think he’s giving 100% on every play? Seriously, man?
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL.
Okay then. Thank you for at least confirming your incredibly absurd logic. I suppose this discussion is more or less over then.
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was over
before you started. You’ve never been able to prove that Soriano is lazy, and you won’t be able to — because, you know. He’s not.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soriano isn't lazy
he’s just a really poor outfielder. You gotta live with it though because his bat seems to be heating up a slight bit.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jun 28, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's a perfectly fine outfielder
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's a below average fielder.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jun 28, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree.
well, this year, so far, fine. But as a ball player, he’s a fine left-fielder.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cmon Drew
seriously you can not think that Soriano is a FINE left fielder..he is easily one of the worst in the game..end of story no one should ever argue with that..and if someone does then they just have a man crush on that guy..cuz he is terrible in the field
by cubbiepride on Jun 28, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I continue
to disagree. Someone put the stats up in another post. He was second only to Braun.
It’s not like Left field is where you put your best defensive players.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What the hell kind of stat...
Has Ryan Braun as the best defensive left fielder? And what kind of idiot actually puts stock into that stat?!
Seriously, do you watch the games? Anyone will tell you that Ryan Braun is a terrible LF.
by kanderber on Jun 29, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you keep asking that question
and I keep answering it.
Who said I was ranking defensive left-fielders?
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 29, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
Considering that’s what the entire discussion has been about…
Alfonso Soriano isn’t second in anything this year. Not offense and certainly not defense.
by kanderber on Jun 29, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no one is arguing
that he’s playing well this year, although he’s shown flashes.
I’ve been talking about his history as a left fielder. He has been a good one.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 29, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A good one, yes.
2nd best in baseball? Absolutely not.
by kanderber on Jun 29, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never said he was 2nd best in baseball.
I never said he was 1st best in baseball.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 29, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ummmm, yes, you did. Look up!
“I continue to disagree. Someone put the stats up in another post. He was second only to Braun.”
by kanderber on Jun 29, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you saying Braun is the best LF in baseball?
because I did not say that.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 29, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you mentally retarded?
I don’t mean that as an insult, it’s an honest question. What I quoted was your words a handful of posts above this.
Christ, man.
by kanderber on Jun 29, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
find where it says
“best in baseball” above. It doesn’t.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 29, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you keep asking that question
and I keep answering it.
Who said I was ranking defensive left-fielders?
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 29, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gee, what a surprise.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 29, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think he's dreamy?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 29, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
inappropriately
fixed that for ya.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 29, 2009 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you could say that Shangai
said that inappropriately, absolutely.
by ol Pete on Jun 29, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, you think he’s dreamy in an inappropriate fashion.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 29, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is that?
Would groovy have been a better term?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 29, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cool - we agree on something
I find Braun inappropriate, too.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 29, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for the chuckle
Braun is excellent at fielding, so you make some weird personal attack on me. heh
by ol Pete on Jun 29, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I made fun of your choice of words, not you
I don’t even know you.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 29, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
♫You know, you acting like you don’t know
I tear the club up fo’ sho’
This flow is gon’ bring mo dough
And you know but you acting like you don’t know
♫
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 29, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
♪♫♪♫
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 29, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
c'mon now
the word “excellent.” You don’t have to actually meet me to make personal attacks, as well you know.
by ol Pete on Jun 29, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, you're correct.
My comment about knowing you wasn’t substantive evidence.
However, I meant nothing personal by the original comment. I was merely being silly.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 29, 2009 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he loves gazing into
his big large enormous AMAZINGLY HUGE GOOGLY EYES!
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 29, 2009 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
if we’re making fun of people, how about Marmol?
by ol Pete on Jun 29, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's got big ears
and he can’t throw his fastball over the plate.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 29, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure.
Those ears make him look like a car with the doors open.
How’s that?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 29, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and not just any car
a car with REALLY BIG DOORS. Maybe that’s the problem — the wind is blowing in at Wrigley when he pitches, and it’s pushing him over on the mound.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 29, 2009 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're on to something there
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 29, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
someone give Larry Rothschild
a crate of duct-tape!
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 29, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The circular logic here...
Is astounding.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 29, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's pretty bad Drew...
Even Brenly has had enough of watching him out there.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 28, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're wasting your time
He’s convinced Sori is the best LF in the NL
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can see where he's coming from...
Because when Sori is on offensively, I think people can stomach the defense.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 28, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, the hot streaks are amazing
But there isn’t much consistency.
He’s an above average offensive player when he’s right, but he’s not the best LF.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jun 28, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Statistics....
would indicate that he’s actually a pretty good LF…and ranks pretty well with a number of metrics.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 29, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He didn't have
a particularly great day, although he made a good running catch today.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is an absurd statement
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
by DC Cubbie on Jun 28, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Try watching a game sometime...
the case will present itself.
What about the leadoff hit into the gap that the freaking CF-er had to chase down, spin around, and fire into second? How on earth was that not a double?
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I watch and/or listen to
almost every game that’s played, save the ones on the west coast.
Have you stopped reading the bits where we talk about how he’s playing with a hurt knee?
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
right.
because playing the exceedingly athletic game of baseball is easy.
Why aren’t you doing it, again?
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who's talking it being easy?
The dude makes almost 20 million dollars. He could freaking give 100% on a daily basis. But he doesn’t.
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
except
for the part where he does. Because, you know. Proof. You ain’t got none.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure.
but I’m not the one questioning him. You are. Burden of proof. You know. On the accuser. But you got none.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This isn't a freaking court of law...
I don’t have to “prove” anything. What’s wrong with you?
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you come claiming one thing
I expect you to prove it. If you don’t…..bro….it kinda discredits anything you say
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by heine41 on Jun 28, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ummm, that goes both ways... bro...
I can’t prove that he doesn’t give 100%, as I claim, just as you can’t prove that he does, as you claim.
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're the one
making the claim, “bro”.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is asinine....its like me calling you gay
can I prove it? No. But I guess you can’t really prove to me otherwise….so I guess you are gay?
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by heine41 on Jun 28, 2009 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
it’s supposed to be an example of being unable to prove a negative.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not at all, just an example of poor logic
But apparently, I’m a 12 year old, so what do I know
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by heine41 on Jun 29, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nothing
again, you’re the one who is making the accusation, but you’ve got nothing to back it up. So I adeptly and adroitly parry your accusations with “no, he doesn’t” and don’t need anything else.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've got my eyes to back it up...
Try stepping away from your computer for ONE GAME… just actually (crazy concept coming) WATCH THE GAME once rather than reporting to the blog what happens after every pitch. Maybe then you will see what is so obvious.
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
again
I watch games all the time. There are these things called laptops, you know.
What’s obvious is that you’ve got an anti-Soriano bias. I won’t speculate as to why. I don’t particularly care. You’re wrong. You have no proof. You’re welcome to your opinion, but it carries no weight.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
See that's the thing...
I don’t have anti-Soriano bias at all. I’m a fan of his. The only Cub I dislike is Miles. You, on the other hand seem to have the blinders on. But that goes for every Cubs player. You constantly defend every single player on this roster. Which, of course, diminishes what small amount of credibility you had to begin with.
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not at all
but you consistently rag on Soriano, and you’ve got no reason to do so. So, whatever. You’re the one making the accusation. Back it up, or drop it.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No reason to do so?
.230 BA, low 700 OPS, 18M salary. Should I keep going?
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
none of which
is evidence of anything other than an extended slump, and certainly no evidence of being lazy.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Try and keep up...
That was in response to your “you’ve got no reason to rag on Soriano” statement.
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's all built
on your house of cards that he’s lazy.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
very well said
"We got some pretty good chemistry here. We got some toughness, and it's starting to show." - Lou Pinella
by Clutche on Jun 28, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He really does have knee trouble
And should be on the DL
I don’t question Sori’s desire. I do question his instincts as an outfielder.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Drew - forget Kanderber for a second and reply to Shanghai (or me) here
because as Soriano’s staunchest defender on BCB, I’d love to know your thoughts on what Shanghai says.
If Soriano is hurt as you claim, then don’t you think he should go on the DL? If no, then why not? Can you honestly tell me that you’re pleased with Soriano’s entire body of work this season? If not, then what would you suggest to improve it?
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by ballhawk on Jun 28, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve said several times in the past few weeks that I’d like to see him sit. But I wouldn’t want Hoff or Fox out there for an extended amount of time. When RJ comes back, if Sori need to sit for a week, then by all means, sit him. I think he needs the rest.
I wouldn’t mind if he picked up a lighter bat, either.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a much better and more concise argument...
… than going back and forth with several people contentiously.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 28, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are arguing someone needs to dive for a ball in order to display hustle or effort
its just not his game.
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by heine41 on Jun 28, 2009 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The other thing you have to remember
is that he started out as an infielder not an outfielder. If you don’t know what you are doing on a dive you could be on the DL in a hurry
by LT on Jun 28, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a terrible argument...
He’s 30 something years old and has been playing baseball since he was a little kid. He knows how to dive.
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay?
I’m just saying, what you said it’s just flat out silly. He doesn’t know how to properly dive? Come on.
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why is DIVING so important to you?
Soriano sucks cause he doesn’t make the highlight reels?
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by heine41 on Jun 28, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Am I talking to a 12 year old?
Why is diving important? Do you honestly not know the answer to that?
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand the importance of diving
But it is no secret it isn’t a part of fonzi’s game. I can’t blame him for knowing that and taking a ball on the hop instead of misplaying it and it leading to a triple
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by heine41 on Jun 28, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've got to disagree with you on this
My favorite player of all time rarely dove, yet consistently led the league in total chances at his position. He prided himself on being in position to make a play without having to dive.
He also won nine gold gloves and is the reason why my softball jersey has “23” on the back of it.
Diving isn’t the be-all end-all way to judge a fielder.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ryno would dive for balls...
both up the middle and in the hole. He was my favorite player as well, and is the reason I’m a Cubs fan.
I know diving isn’t the end all be all. But I think it’s pretty representative of a player’s effort when he hasn’t dove for a ball in over two years. Wouldn’t you agree?
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily
I’m sure you’ve played some kind of ball at some level. I never was great, but I can tell you this — the times that I have dove for a ball, it just happened. It wasn’t a concious decision; I was going for the ball and that’s what my body ended up doing to get there.
Sori’s instincts are bad . . . and I think the instincts are what makes a player dive. You may disagree; what do you think from your own experience?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't played...
organized baseball since little league, so I really can’t add much from personal experience.
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, again - I'm not that good
But that’s been my own experience on the softball diamond.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep
and have you ever had guys who have played infield most of their life play some outfield in a blowout game? They have a hard time getting a read on the ball coming to them. It takes a lot of instincts and time playing out there. Now Sori is a pro athlete, but I don’t think he looks comfortable out there. Luckily he has a cannon for an arm.
by LT on Jun 28, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. Forget diving for a second and think about sliding.
Actually don’t think about sliding because if you do, you’re going to mess yourself up but good. Whether you go in feet first or head first, it’s the same thing. You just do it.
[cue Maverick quote]
“If you think, you’re dead.”
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by ballhawk on Jun 28, 2009 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we train our kids on the LL team
to slide when we yell SLIDE! Without fail. I got Max to slide into a puddle doing that the other day. Like, at the park, not during a practice. He was running and playing, and just to test him, I yelled SLIDE! and there it was.
Too bad we can’t train them to get a double when we yell HIT! :P
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if his instincts are bad
wouldn’t that mean he would have to dive for more balls?
i don't really consider a raspberry from sliding into home an injury
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by Where Triples Go to Die on Jun 29, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So he can make an out?
Instead of a single. Getting to the ball…either by getting a good jump, pure speed, climbing a wall, or diving for a ball is important to ANY outfielder.
Fonzie doesn’t appear to have (m)any of those skills.
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by carmen_fanzone on Jun 28, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My 0.02
Ryne Sandberg didn’t dive that much, but that’s because he was terrific at being in the right position to start with. Now I’m not saying that Sori is the LF equivalent of Ryno; however diving for a ball isn’t necessarily an accurate way to measure range – or desire.
by CaliCub on Jun 28, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ignore this
I didn’t see Shanghai’s post above mine.
by CaliCub on Jun 28, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was teasing
And people shouldn’t ignore it . .. I don’t have an exclusivity patent on that point! Your paragraph is no less valid.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is there an echo in here? ;-)
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've played basketball my whole life...
But I’m 5’11" and I suck at dunking. Just because he’s played his whole life doesn’t mean one aspect of his game can’t be lacking.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 28, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so you are equating
your physical inability to dunk a basketball to soriano’s lack of desire to dive for a baseball? that doesn’t seem to make sense. You CAN NOT dunk, Soriano WILL NOT dive. There is a major, major difference between those two
by murphymj on Jun 28, 2009 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he lacks...
The physical ability and coordination to dive for balls in the outfield. Coming up as an infielder, he probably didn’t do much full sprinting in on balls, having the opportunity to dive.
He’s in his 30’s now, his legs aren’t what they used to, why should he try to pick up a new skill with the risk of injury? If the rim was lowered a foot for me, I’d be able to dunk. However, I’d still be bad at it and risk injury because it is not in my skill set.
I know the analogy is a stretch, but you get my point.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 28, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soriano is 30..
And how old was Edmonds last year? It’s just nice to see the extra effort every once in awhile..thats all.
by BadDecisions on Jun 29, 2009 1:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soriano is 33, not 30.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 29, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some guys...
…just don’t look like they are going full blast when they indeed are in their mind. I realize Soriano is not Mr. Hustle, but I also don’t think he intentionally loafs around either. He is what he is, and the Cubs should have known that when he was signed.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Jun 29, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is true...
How many times to you see players roll over there wrists awkwardly. A broken wrist by Soriano and bye-bye bat speed.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 28, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he gave 100% yesterday
when he lead off the game with a single in the gap… Which should have been a double but was still standing at first when the ball finally got thrown back to the infield. Bob and Len called him out on that.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
by Fishbone2 on Jun 29, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you dive and miss the ball.....
and its a triple. If you can’t make it, you can’t make it
Albert Pujols for Cubs Starting 1B in 2012
by heine41 on Jun 28, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously he's not fast enough then...
By the amount of balls dropping in front of him lately. And comparing him to Sammy, yeah… not helping your case much.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 28, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
only because
people have a biased view of Sammy Sosa. I was using him as an example.
If, as has been noted, his knees hurt, then he’s probably struggling to get under the ball. One fly ball, he definitely misplayed today.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I seem to recall Lou saying...
That Soriano may have broken up some scar tissue in his knee or something rounding 1st a few weeks ago, and the pain he had went away. Obviously something is still lingering.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 28, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1st off
do you know how hard it is to dive while hopping for the ball…..???
by cozmotaylor123 on Jun 28, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
now that was funny...
he doesn’t dive cause he doesn’t want to hurt himself, but I believe earlier this year, in maybe Milwaukee, I think, he did make like a half dive… and caught the ball. First time I ever saw him leave his feet. But if the Cubs didn’t have Theriot (or Blanco) running out there on every fly ball getting in his way he may be a better fielder, he never calls them off though, probably because the coaches told soriano to yield to the other players whenever possible… so he just lets the ball drop.
by dtc0405 on Jun 28, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What game were you watching?
"We got some pretty good chemistry here. We got some toughness, and it's starting to show." - Lou Pinella
by Clutche on Jun 28, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
same game everyone else was
except for you and Kanderber. Sori plays hard, and he tries hard. Everyone understands that he’s slumping right now. You can’t sit out a slump on the bench.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soriano
Like you say Drew, isn’t the best but the pissing and moaning is bewildering.
Soriano’s UZR in LF:
’06: 8.1
’07: 1.2
’08: 2.5
UZR isn’t the end all be all of defense stats but it’s a good indication. Soriano isn’t worth all the pissing and moaning, there are other things wrong with this club that are far far more important.
" I hate that lady , but would totally do her. So strange is this mind of mens." - Skisgaar Skwigelf
by Rage and Grace on Jun 28, 2009 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting thing about that...
… compare that to other players in the same position and their UZR… all below have at least 15 games in LF:
2008 UZR: Reed Johnson 4.5, Sori 2.5, DeRo 0.2
2007 UZR: Cliff Floyd 4.6, Matt Murton 1.2, Sori 1.2
Not taking in to account this doesn’t really measure dude’s arm / ability to turn double plays / throw runners out (and other general things we appreciate Dome for), he really isn’t that bad.
Diving / flailing / falling down doesn’t necessarily signify good catch. I see comments here all the time celebrating circus catches and think to myself “well, sure… that looked cool, but if he’d played it a step quicker he’d never have had to leave his feet and risk losing the ball on impact with the ground / wall.”
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by AndrewJStone on Jun 28, 2009 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
The only exception I’ll hold is DeRosa in ‘08 other than that I’d say Soriano’s offense makes up for the lack of defense next to those other names. Soriano has had a few Outfield Assists that I recall, no?
Kinda like what Moneyball talked about with Jeremy Giambi.
" I hate that lady , but would totally do her. So strange is this mind of mens." - Skisgaar Skwigelf
by Rage and Grace on Jun 28, 2009 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's had so many
that runners don’t try any more.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 29, 2009 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley not being a good fit...
…is definitely spot on. This is the wrong place for him to be if he “just wants to do his job and go home.” This is Chicago, and the Chicago Cubs we’re talking about here. This team gets more media attention than every other team besides the Mets and Yankees.
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 28, 2009 6:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
he is not lazy
just sucks at fielding, and so far this year hitting
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
by DC Cubbie on Jun 28, 2009 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry meant for below, too much sun and beer today
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
by DC Cubbie on Jun 28, 2009 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh no..... it's a ball hit to Soriano
Today had to be the worst performance I have seen by a left fielder in a long long time. (since Dave Kingman ) he was lazy uninspired and an embarrassment to this team. I have stood up for him for to long, either he needs to get it together , or get the %&% outta town
LouPrules
by LouPrules on Jun 28, 2009 6:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The worst part is...
He actually appears to be regressing in the field.
by Damen Jackson on Jun 28, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that possible?
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 28, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where exactly can he go?
With his contract, age, indifference in the field, and continued slump who would take him? Teams are not in the business of eating contracts, especially mammoth ones like his. Same with Bradley and Fukudome. Hendry has literally painted himself into a corner.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
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by propheteer on Jun 28, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's indifference...
In the field. I think he just legitimately takes horrible routes and gets bad jumps. On the one that dropped in today, he took about two steps back then had to run in on it and have it fall. I won’t knock his effort, he just doesn’t have an outfielder’s instincts.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 28, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what the Sox radio announcers were saying...they also said something like
it’s always a “bonus” when Sori can make a catch in the OF.
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Jun 28, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's
unfair to the extreme. Sori is a competent fielder.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes,
I think Zambrano threw at Wise. He was embarrassed, and I felt like he thought the Sox showed him up on that suicide/steal.
by Damen Jackson on Jun 28, 2009 6:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If that's the case
Then he’s an even bigger idiot than I thought.
Only in Z’s mind can a team show you up by trying to win
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jun 28, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he did...
I would think it more an emotional reaction from an emotional player. But lord knows he’s done dumber.
by Damen Jackson on Jun 28, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree....
Plus, Geo missed the squeeze play. Z threw it outside (maybe a tad too much), like he’s supposed to and Geo was still behind the plate. Not his fault and the next pitch just looked too much inside on Wise, who does crowd the plate.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 28, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
July 2nd-12th is HUGE.
A 4 game set with the Brewers, a 4 game set with the Cardinals during that time. All at Wrigley. Those games are what the season comes down to, IMO. We win those series, we definitely are right in it. However, the way we are playing now, I don’t have too much faith in us winning either one of those series.
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 28, 2009 6:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
CAPTION
“Wow, Geo. That’s a HUGE zit on your forehead!”
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 6:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps Bradley wouldn't be drawing so much "attention"
if he had been simply “serviceable” offensively year to date and not on an RBI pace trailing Cincy PITCHER Micah Owings. There are plenty of games left but a team that can’t go more than two games in a row with a strong offensive performance is probably due for a .500 year in 2009.
by BeltwayCubsFan on Jun 28, 2009 6:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't have thought it earlier.....
but this Pirates series Is HUGE. Andrew McCutcheon appears to be the real deal.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 28, 2009 7:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
Not like it’s some big achievement to do this, but they just took 2 of 3 from the Royals.
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 28, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and only 1.5 games behind us...
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 28, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're also 21-14 at PNC this year.
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 28, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
[Bradley] told Paul Sullivan of the Tribune that he doesn’t crave attention, and would rather do his job and just go home. That’s great, but the Cubs don’t afford him that luxury. This is a place where attention comes with the job.
I’m pretty sure Milton Bradley understands that being a ball player comes with attention. He just doesn’t want any EXTRA attention. LIke, you know. Articles asking if he should be booed before his first at bat at Wrigley.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Tough
The extra attention comes with the territory of playing in the 3rd largest market in the country, for a team that hasn’t won it all in 100 years.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no one wrote an article
asking if Aaron Miles or Kevin Gregg, or Fukudome would be booed before their first at bat at Wrigley.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here we go again.
It’s the big, bad, and apparently racist media.
How is it that Michael Jordan, an admitted philanderer, is the most beloved figure in Chicago sports?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention Ernie Banks...
…Billy Williams, Andre Dawson or for that matter Derrek Lee. Jacque Jones and laTroy Hawkins got the same treatment Todd Hundley did, and for the same reason: lack of production.
by ChipSet on Jun 28, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just so I'm clear
it appears as though you’re justifying racial slurs being thrown out because of lack of production. Please, please tell me it’’s a misunderstanding.
" I hate that lady , but would totally do her. So strange is this mind of mens." - Skisgaar Skwigelf
by Rage and Grace on Jun 28, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a misunderstanding --
Racial slurs are never appropriate. The context of the question, though, was why was about players being “booed”. It was asked of MB and not of other (non-black) players. But the answer has everything to do with his track record.
My point is that the fans and media have a long history of embracing successful players of any color, and disdaining underperforming players of any color.
by ChipSet on Jun 29, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gregg has been mercilessly booed...
Howry was booed and even almost attacked by a fan running onto the field. His race has nothing to do with this.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 28, 2009 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This really wasn't a helpful comment.
It has nothing to do with race and everything to do with the size of his contract and the size of his reputation.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 28, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's well known
Wrigley can be racist. Ask Hawkins and JJ. The media may not but the element is still there.
" I hate that lady , but would totally do her. So strange is this mind of mens." - Skisgaar Skwigelf
by Rage and Grace on Jun 28, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I take issue with such...
I’m sure you don’t mean the stadium… and surely you don’t mean every person that attends Cub home games is racist.
Sure there will be ignorant people, but I would hope that such behavior would be quashed posthaste
"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott
by Reddevil on Jun 28, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely not
I’v’e been to games where Sox fans (surprise!) have yelled some really obnoxious things at the ushers in Wrigley.
The inuendo I was suggesting was that of the fans, not be confused with the actual field, though I don’t know how Wrigley Field could be considered racist but whatever.
" I hate that lady , but would totally do her. So strange is this mind of mens." - Skisgaar Skwigelf
by Rage and Grace on Jun 28, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What does that have to do with the insinuation?
The behavior to JJ and Hawkins – and Baker was reprehensible, but that’s got nothing to do with the media.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dusty too?
I know people were letting him have it in 06 but honestly I thought it was because the team was sucking, he wouldn’t play rookies, he said walks clog the bases, etc..
by CaliCub on Jun 28, 2009 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He got racist mail, yeah.
Sickening.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally uncalled for
I had a lot of problems with Baker and admittedly I need to let go of a lot of frustrations during his time as manager, but I would never do something like that.
by CaliCub on Jun 28, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It gets worse
Reportedly, some people wrote that they hoped his cancer came back. Stuff like that makes me worry about humanity.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You all have my permission to shoot me
if I ever get that carried away in here.
by CaliCub on Jun 28, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Overboard.
There may be a lot you may not like about a person, but hoping that they relapse with cancer is just wrong.
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 28, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reading is a skill
The media may not but the element is still there.
" I hate that lady , but would totally do her. So strange is this mind of mens." - Skisgaar Skwigelf
by Rage and Grace on Jun 28, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So is diplomacy
Which you have consistently shown to be lacking in.
Beyond your snarkiness, the min-thread was a discussion about the media’s treatment of Bradley.
Yes, reading is indeed a skill.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no no
I merely contributing to the thought of racism. Wasn’t talking about Bradley I was talking about racism and how it is prevalent, that’s it.
I’m glad you agree reading is a skill though.
" I hate that lady , but would totally do her. So strange is this mind of mens." - Skisgaar Skwigelf
by Rage and Grace on Jun 28, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is more prevalent than I'd like, yes.
I don’t argue that one bit.
My point, however poorly worded it may have been ,was tomas21’s claim seemed dubious at best.
Kudos to you for the tone of your reply – seriously.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I worked in retail
for years man before I do what I do now, it’s not always easy. Haha.
I see what you mean now. Like I said I was just pointing out the prevalance of the racism. I’m pretty indifferent to Bradley altogether.
" I hate that lady , but would totally do her. So strange is this mind of mens." - Skisgaar Skwigelf
by Rage and Grace on Jun 28, 2009 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still think he'll hit, but I'd like to see a little less of him playing the victim
And I did mean it about the kudos….I do sometimes overreact to statements like that, which I may have this time. You could have easily taken this down a bad road. I’ll keep that in mind.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
his babip
is about .50 off. When he comes out of it he’s gonna rake, it’s only a matter of time though.
" I hate that lady , but would totally do her. So strange is this mind of mens." - Skisgaar Skwigelf
by Rage and Grace on Jun 28, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, it is still very prevalent.
Just look at Vermont, for instance. Only around 2% of the people here are from minority groups. We’re one of the whitest states in the US.
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 28, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the element
is in NY, LA, Hou, Cinn, StL, etc. No one would disagree with that. However, when it is brought up, it suggests that the element of racism is exceptional in Chicago. I would take exception to that.
The city of Chicago has always respected players who play hard, black, white or brown. It seems unfair to suggest there is rampant racism is to denigrate millions of decent people who couldn’t give a damn about race based upon the absurdities of a minuscule number of jerks.
If you like Selig's handling of the steroid issue, you'll love his choice for next Cub owner.
by tharr on Jun 28, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
I wasn’t referring to the media so much as the way under-performing Cubs that happen to be black get demonized WAY more than white guys. Everyone in the stands isn’t racist, everyone on this board (hopefully noone) isn’t racist, but the collective mentality seems to have some racist elements to it.
I am not saying that there haven’t been very unpopular white players (Hundley comes to mind). But nobody gets vilified like a poorly performing black player, and nobody gets deified like an over-performing white guy.
DEJESUS!!!
by tomas21 on Jun 28, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Scottie Pippen is WAY overrated
Almost deified when he was playing.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 things
1. Nobody said anything was absolutes, you are using the exception to try to prove the generalization wrong
2. Scottie Pippen is widely regarded as one of the top 50 players ever. Just because YOU think he’s over-rated does not make it so.
DEJESUS!!!
by tomas21 on Jun 28, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Badger badger badger
Scottie Pippen was the 2nd best player in the NBA when he played.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jun 28, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
snake!
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps you can explain
why only white pitchers get vilified. This year it’s been Heilman and Gregg and Cotts. Last year it was Howry, Marquis and Eyre. How about Farnsworth? So maybe position players who are black and pitchers who are white have been categorized by racists. Is that possible? Of course it isn’t.
Bradley isn’t getting jumped on because he’s black. His performance and actions have made him a target. He put the bullseye on his back. And he can remove it.
If you like Selig's handling of the steroid issue, you'll love his choice for next Cub owner.
by tharr on Jun 28, 2009 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"He put the bullseye on his back"
True, to a certain extent. Well put.
by cubsnlinux on Jun 29, 2009 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marmol hasn't been villified?
I’m not agreeing that it’s racism at all, but Marmol has gotten some crap this year.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 29, 2009 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And why has Marmol gotten crap this year?
His performance.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 29, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that allowed?
/sarcasm
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 29, 2009 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again, tough
Crap happens. Life’s unfair. If that’s the sole reason that he’s having a bad year, he would have been useless, anyway.
You think the fans at Miller Park ask him how things are going? Do they greet him with a “hi, there” in St. Louis?
Professional athletes need to have thicker skins than that. They perform on the public stage.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's the sole reason he's having a bad year.
I think it’s the reason he’s been the focus of this blog so much, tho. And I think he hasn’t been given a fair shake, and I don’t think that “tough” is fair, either.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really? That article is why he's talked about on this blog?
Not the outbursts or the poor offensive output?
Hmm.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
the inordinate media attention is a big part of it, yes.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two things
You insinuated it was that one article . . . I don’t think that’s what you meant, so I won’t harp on that.
However — this is a BLOG. People come here to discuss the Cubs. Of course they’re going to talk about what’s in the MSM.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand that
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then why crusade against it?
It’s a losing battle.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
because
it’s the right thing to do. I don’t pick my battles based on how likely I am to win.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if you think so, carry on
But I think you’re giving it far too much importance…and your case gets weakened when you ignore contradictory evidence.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think his past had a lot to do with it...
And I think the whole DeRosa misconception played a part as well.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 28, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
certainly
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Miles, Gregg nor Dome have the somewhat checkered past that Bradley does as well.
At this point in his career, Bradley has to expect stuff like that, and based on what I’ve read in the last few days, I think he does. Of course, he’d rather not have to see/hear all that stuff all the time, but it’s his bed – he’s made it and he has to lie in it. I think he understands that.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jun 28, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think the racist angle is being incorrectly mushed in with booing
Two separate conversations:
1) Several african-american players have reported hostile environments in Chicago whether it is via hate mail, uttered slurs, etc. Enough players have mentioned it for us to discount there is some validity there.
2) This is different than the booing. Cub fans boo mercilessly with little regard to color and are pretty good gauges on when prolonged bad performance warrants booing. Farnsworth, Howry and Cotts got it just as bad as Bradley, Patterson, etc.
by BeltwayCubsFan on Jun 29, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soriano cont....
I’ve heard no word that he is injured…. If so I take back my words…… but he was just awful playin in the wind today, and totally looked unispired… If that is the best he can do injured, he needs to sit out till he can hustle again
LouPrules
by LouPrules on Jun 28, 2009 7:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I've been looking thru all three Chicago papers
..can’t find anything. But, Len and Bren have mentioned this — that Soriano has been playing hurt most of the season, but he (Soriano) says it’s not enough to disable him or keep him on the bench. (I believe they’ve discussed leg/knee problems)
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jun 28, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've heard knee from Len and Bob.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
"Yeah, Moe, that team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I’ve seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked!" - Homer
by propheteer on Jun 28, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just read your whole post, Al.
The Bradley stuff is getting a bit old. You had a pretty controversial (for lack of a better word) post about him the other day, and your feelings are more than well documented here. Of all people to write a paragraph about today, you choose him? Why not Theriot and his 0-4 day with 2 K’s and the dropped pop up? Why not Soriano and his brutal defense along with a ball hit into the gap which he didn’t wind up on 2B?
Besides, Bradley could’ve easily been 0-2 with 2 BB’s. That called third strike was certainly debatable.
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 7:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
On Theriot
Don’t forget the horrible attempt to tag out Wise, who would have been out by 3 feet had Riot not chased him with the ball, instead of waiting for him to slide into the glove.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess since it's his blog
he can write about whatever he wants.
by sue369 on Jun 28, 2009 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brilliant insight...
Thank you so much for that.
by kanderber on Jun 29, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the love of Mike Myers
Can we please stop with the “He touched him! He touched him! Cooties!” when it comes to umps and players.
The White Sox were coming out of their dugout and the Cubs were coming out of theirs. The umps have every right to keep the players from getting into it.
How about this? If a player, manager, general manager, broadcaster or owner calls attention to a bump, touch, brush, or excessive heavy breathing, then it’s fair game. Otherwise, let’s just assume the men on the field know what is over the line and what isn’t.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jun 28, 2009 7:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Z's quote
Zambrano said the ensuing pitch that hit Wise was a cutter that "cut too much."
"In that situation, I don’t want to get more in trouble. I want to get out of the situation and pitch my six or seven innings," he said.
"I wasn’t even looking at him (Wise). I heard what he said, but I didn’t understand what he said. I just said, ‘What?’ The umpire was good (getting in between) because it was starting to get a little hyper."
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/recap;_ylt=AiiM18NQapU7fvt.Rkm1ZBw5nYcB?gid=290628104
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by Worf on Jun 28, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hyper?
Yes, and then Zambrano taunted Wise. I don’t believe the Cubs WGN broadcast showed that nor mentioned it.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Jun 28, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did that poster boy for cousin love, Hawk Harrelson, tell you that?
Or did you come with that all by yourself?
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jun 28, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watch it yourself...
… watch it yourself, Zambrano was waving him over.
Other than that I’ll ignore your taunts and insults.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Jun 28, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oooh... ignoring me
that NEVER works. Ask around. I’m unignorable. I’ve just not bothered with you before.
But I’m in the mood for White Sox meat.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jun 28, 2009 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm Drewishdrewid
and I approve of this message.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubbie bear meat...
Detroit feasted on.
Sox feasted on too this weekend.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Jun 28, 2009 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and of course
there’s the whole part where Denks OBVIOUSLY threw at Freel.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And of course...
… there’s the whole part where Zambrano OBVIOUSLY threw at Podsednik and Wise. Sox got the ultimate revenge though as Zambrano left the game with a loss.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Jun 28, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not at all
Lou doesn’t play the retribution game.
Crazy Ozzie, on the other hand…
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right...
… and Lou controls what Zambrano does with the ball. Sure.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Jun 28, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do you want him to do?
(Note: I am waving my arms after I hit post)
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dood
today, Zambrano didn’t control what Zambrano did with the ball. It wasn’t intentional. Remove the chip from thy… wait, the skin has grown over it. SURGICALLY remove the chip from thy…
I command the demons that have cursed this chip on this shoulder to GET OUT in the name of OBJECTIVITY!
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Drew, please don't take offense, but when it comes to objectivity about the Cubs
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Noted Cubs Hater Todd Hollandsworth...
… says that he believe Zambrano hit Wise on purpose.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Jun 28, 2009 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoop de do
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 29, 2009 7:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's as good as it gets
"We got some pretty good chemistry here. We got some toughness, and it's starting to show." - Lou Pinella
by Clutche on Jun 29, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's my observation and ...
… from what I heard Bob Brenly seems to agree with me. Or at least I didn’t hear Brenly say it was all an innocent accident.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Jun 28, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I expect
Bob Brenley has not made a comment about the JFK assassination. Conspiracy!
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok...
… it’s a wild JFK Assassination-like conspiracy to think that Zambrano threw at Pods and Wise. Right. If you believe that, fine, go on in that.
I just happen to believe that Zambrano did throw at those two today (and that Danks rightfully stepped up for his team and threw at Freel.) You’ll not be convinced by that but you’re quite confident though that Danks did it on the other hand and with just as much evidence.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Jun 28, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's good.
because that’s EXACTLY what I believe. Z had no control. He was wild. He hit Wise by accident. Denks was ordered to, because that’s exactly the guy Ozzie Guillen is.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is overwhelmingly likely
you’re wrong, bro.
"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott
by Reddevil on Jun 28, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
right
because while Carlos didn’t have enough control to keep Ramirez from hitting a home run, but he had enough control to hit Pods and Wise.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Jun 28, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no desire
to embark on a urinary olympiad here, but the facts seem to be these.
You may very well be right.
However, Z is a head case. He’s been known to hit people who hit him well. He gets made when the other team beats him, and he has been known to plunk ppl in retaliation.
Z did not execute on the squeeze. The run scored, and it is at least possible… if not likely that Z took out his frustrations on Denks.
A rational person must admit it is possible Z did it on purpose.
"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott
by Reddevil on Jun 28, 2009 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually
Soto didn’t execute on the squeeze.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 29, 2009 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No...
… I don’t think Danks was “ordered to because that’s exactly the guy Ozzie Guillen is.” I think Danks stepped up and did exactly what was needed w/o an order.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Jun 28, 2009 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
because Guillen
has made it clear what is and isn’t acceptable.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Noted Cub haters...
Todd Hollandsworth, Les Grobstein & Brian Hanley all agree that Zambrano threw at Pods & Wise.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Jun 29, 2009 5:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
all the more reason
to think he didn’t.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 29, 2009 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neither more nor less
Doc’s argument is specious and ill-formed (shocker), plus misplaced when he replied to me above when I was essentially agreeing with him (another shocker).
Hollandsworth works for the Cubs.
Anyway, there actually are people who are able to objectively discuss the merits of an event/comment, etc. despite their personal feelings regarding the people involved.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 29, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hollandsworth works for Comcast Sports Net, not the Cubs.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 29, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I realized that after I hit post
But the club does have some influence, I would think.
Point was, I doubt he’s a “Cub hater”. And if he is, that weakens Doc’s argument, anyway. There were a lot of things wrong with his argument.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 29, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sarcastic
Hollandsworth is a former Cub and the pre & post Cub game guy, hardly a hater which I thought would be clear.
Todd Hollandsworth, Les Grobstein & Brian Hanley all agree that Zambrano threw at Pods & Wise. All three are Cubs fans, outside the putdowns of drew.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Jun 29, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Z threw at Wise
I do think Denks threw at Freel, tho. Why no mention of that? Freel handled it perfectly.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Man, that was awesome...
“Getting that dirt off his shoulder” and then blowing it towards the mound… definitely loved seeing that!
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
especially when the Cubs were down 5-0
I thought it was bush league on Freels part, " Hey Freel how about getting your average above .180"
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Jun 28, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bush league...
on Freel’s part?! He just got plunked for no fault of his own! I would’ve done the same damn thing!
by kanderber on Jun 28, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he should do it more often
Maybe he can get is OBP up to .300
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by Worf on Jun 28, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or maybe even .200!
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by Worf on Jun 28, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hes been on the DL for the majority of the season
by jesus christos on Jun 28, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow.
he’s just back off the DL, just called back up with the club, he steals two bases, gets hit by a pitch, is the Cubs player of the game… and you fault him for that?
Ok.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, that definitely wasn't bush league...
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 28, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I played
in a different time. When your team is traiing and sleepwalking through a game, and whether Freel is hitting .140 or .340, to brush his shoulder and act like a bad ass, I would of hit him again.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Jun 28, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very funny!
I liked Freel’s smart play yesterday when he ran in from 3rd on the ground ball to Alexei Ramirez. That was a very smart play on his part and I love when guys play like that. Of course I didn’t like that it happened to the my favorite team, but great play nonetheless.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Jun 28, 2009 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Freel is easy to like. He plays baseball like it should be played.
And yes, Sori, I wish you did also….
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Jun 28, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If only Freel could actually, you know, hit.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 28, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs can't do anything, and seem to be doing nothing about it
I took that from RosenBlog. Sori, Bradley, Dome how many million & years tied up in these guys ? Dome holds the record for a centerfielder playing with his back stuck
to the wall. How many catchable balls fall in front of this guy ? Al is right about Bradley
not a good fit . Hendry must have been drunk when he thought this was a good idea.
Z I said last year this guy shoulf be traded . He is Mental Board Jr. He was just itching
to get into it today. He will be in a full sized magilla b4 the season is over. It’s over fellas
heading South just past Memphis all aboard !
by DaTruth on Jun 28, 2009 7:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Most people
on here, like myself, thought the Cubs should’ve signed Dunn instead of Bradley. What a colossal mistake by JH.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
"Yeah, Moe, that team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I’ve seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked!" - Homer
by propheteer on Jun 28, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Abreu, but definitely not Bradley.
I’m also a big believer in clubhouse chemistry though. I know that not everybody is though, but at this point I think anyone of us would rather have Dunn or Abreu instead of MB.
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jun 28, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually,
for the record, I was higher on Bobby Abreu, or acquiring Nick Swisher.
by Damen Jackson on Jun 28, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i personally dont see what hendry saw in bradley that dunn ibanez or abreu didnt have
by jesus christos on Jun 28, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
especially considering Abreu was much cheaper.
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jun 28, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Younger than ibanez and abreu
better defense than dunn.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 28, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When he can get in the lineup...
for more than 120 games, which he can’t unless he’s able to DH at least some of that time.
by Damen Jackson on Jun 28, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dunn is never hurt
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
"Yeah, Moe, that team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I’ve seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked!" - Homer
by propheteer on Jun 28, 2009 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley
is a better all around player. You have to play defense in the NL.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With all due respect, Drew
Bradley has NEVER played more than 30 games in the outfield. How can you call him a better all around player than Abreu?
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jun 28, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well. I don’t know much about Abreu, but I was thinking about Dunn.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah, gotcha.
well Abreu, he has never played fewer than 151 games, is a serviceable outfielder (good arm), and is a career .300 hitter. He was signed by the Angels for 1 yr, $8 mil. And best of all, he’s a class guy. Definitely a winner, and I think it’s obvious that the Angels got a hell of a better deal than we did this offseason.
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jun 28, 2009 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Those are certainly nice numbers. However, I’m not going to judge any deals till after the season is over. It’s June 28th. Lots of baseball left to play.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fair enough.
and for what it’s worth, I very much hope you’re right. Sadly though, I think I am. :(
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jun 28, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hindsight.
There was no reason going in to this year to believe Bradley would be worse than Abreu.
Abreu 2008: .296 AVG with .843 OPS
Bradley 2008: .321 AVG with .999 OPS
Now, the amount better might not be worth the extra time or millions Bradley got, and you certainly have to wish they’d taken injury history / rage issues in to account, but claiming we screwed up because Bradley isn’t hitting as well as Abreu this year is purely a hindsight argument. There was no way to see the production being so bad.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jun 28, 2009 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
More and more...
… that .999 OPS Bradley put up last year looks like the outlier in his career, not something we could have expected.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 29, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough, but that is still an hindsight argument.
At the time of his signing, the injury issues and headcase history were known and could have been forecast to continue in to the future, as many rightly did at the time.
Nobody could have forecast the catastrophic drop off in production.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jun 29, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
but the length of his contract, and money guaranteed to him could’ve been a big warning sign though. I’d much rather have Dunn’s awful defense on a one-year deal.
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
"Yeah, Moe, that team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I’ve seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked!" - Homer
by propheteer on Jun 29, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley never played more than 30 games in the OF?
Actually… http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/bradlmi01.shtml
2000: 40 in CF, 0 as DH
2001: 60 in CF, 13 in LF, 3 in RF, 1 as DH
2002: 94 in CF, 1 as DH
2003: 93 in CF, 8 as DH
2004: 93 in CF, 31 in RF, 17 in LF, 0 as DH
2005: 73 in CF, 0 as DH
2006: 94 in RF, 1 as DH
2007: 40 in LF, 15 in CF, 4 in RF, 0 as DH
2008: 19 in RF, 1 in LF, 97 as DH
2008 is the only year Bradley was used as a designated hitter very much; he’s appeared in almost 7 times as many games in OF as DH over his career, many of those in center.
by aldimond on Jun 29, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you!
It’s refreshing when stats make an appearance. Sadly, that’s far too rare around here…
This place is like an Oprah episode with everyone sitting around talking about their feelings….Ugh.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 29, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I should note...
I’m not singling out AmbrosiaDreams here. I meant this entire thread. AD seemed to be trying to use stats; s/he just got them wrong.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 29, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JER-RY! JER-RY!
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 29, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right of course....
Jerry Springer is more apropos. :)
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 29, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup... sure showed it!
The man is a born DH and you say he’s a better fit for the NL?
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jun 28, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ding!Ding!Ding!Ding!
Give that man a prize!
by Damen Jackson on Jun 28, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And when Bradley does play in the outfield, he doesn't exactly make the case for a gold-glove award.
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 28, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not on one side of this argument or another
But Bradley has been MORE than a pleasant surprise in the field. He hustles on every play that I see and aside from throwing the ball in the stands, seems to make the better decision.
This wouldn’t even be a topic of conversation if he was hitting.
Albert Pujols for Cubs Starting 1B in 2012
by heine41 on Jun 28, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did I say he hasn't been a pleasant surprise...?
Nope, sure didn’t.
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 28, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am saying he has. I feel confident with Bradley in right.
Albert Pujols for Cubs Starting 1B in 2012
by heine41 on Jun 28, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not questioning his effort. He definitely gives it his all out there.
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 28, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but he frequently dives for the ball
that, according to kanderber, establishes that he’s giving 100%.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Inappropriate
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And not really fair from a logic standpoint.
If kanderber wants to apply the argument to one play, why can drew not apply it to another?
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jun 28, 2009 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The biggest mistake wasn't just signing Bradley...
It was giving him the 3 years (the 3rd year is pretty much a lock). If Bradley wanted to play here so bad, and given his checkered past, sign him to an incentive laden 1-year deal with an option or something. Dunn and Abreu probably could’ve been had for 1-year deals.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 28, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Abreu was had for a one year deal...
the Angels got him for 1 yr, 8 mil
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jun 28, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right...
And I’m sure Dunn would’ve taken one year with the Cubs over two with the Nats.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 28, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
really?
Worf would disagree with you — he thinks baseball players are all about money.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In some cases it may be true...
But Dunn’s numbers in Wrigley were great, he talked about wanting to be a Cub… I just don’t think he turns down a fair 1-year deal with us. Plus there was talk because of the lack of interest, he was going to take only a year anyway and hope to cash in next off-season.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 28, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Peavy
wanted to be a Cub too. I dunno.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Peavy wasn't a free agent.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 28, 2009 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But we all want to be Cubs!
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correction
He thinks baseball is all about money. :-)
by CaliCub on Jun 28, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dunn said he really wanted to be a Cub
"I'm not so mean. I wouldn't ever go out to hurt anybody deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something." - Dick Butkus
"Yeah, Moe, that team sure did suck last night. They just plain sucked! I’ve seen teams suck before, but they were the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked!" - Homer
by propheteer on Jun 28, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only thing I can't wrap my head around
is what JH is waiting for. This team has looked listless for the better part of almost 2 months now. Luckily for us, Milwaukee and St. Louis are keeping us in this thing, but St. Louis is already wheeling and dealing and are rumored to be hot after Matt Holliday. We are NOT going to win the division with this team, and there’s no sense in waiting until the trade deadline to add the missing pieces. Get it done Jim, get it done.
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jun 28, 2009 7:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly....
….which scares me into thinking that we make not make ANY moves, if we haven’t already, and think that the return of Rami is going to cure everything.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 28, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, i'm starting to think we won't make any real moves.
and i think the ownership situation might be the problem.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie
by buckmulligan on Jun 28, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just frustrated because I want to make my team better
and there is absolutely nothing I can do about it. Normally, I don’t mind this. Except now, when I have lost 90% of my faith in our leadership. Come on Jim…time to work for your job. It’s not too late.
Albert Pujols for Cubs Starting 1B in 2012
by heine41 on Jun 28, 2009 7:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lou needs to go
They don’t look ready, just like the playoffs the last two years.
by goddess on Jun 28, 2009 7:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think this teams struggles have anything to do with Lou
other than his advocating for a LHB in the offseason
Albert Pujols for Cubs Starting 1B in 2012
by heine41 on Jun 28, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I don't even think that is a problem
Getting more left-handed isn’t exactly a radical idea.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 28, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could argue that it is a rational idea
Just the pieces we moved and the moves we made in order to do it is where the mistakes were made
Albert Pujols for Cubs Starting 1B in 2012
by heine41 on Jun 28, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In hindsight
perhaps. The jury still is out on that.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 28, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correct.
I say that standing here on June 27th, Hendry very well could look like a genius on Oct 17th, and I pray thats the case
Albert Pujols for Cubs Starting 1B in 2012
by heine41 on Jun 28, 2009 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From our lips
to the baseball gods’ ears.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 28, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
:::crosses fingers::::
and says 7 hail yogi’s
Albert Pujols for Cubs Starting 1B in 2012
by heine41 on Jun 28, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To a certain extent, though
all Lou can do is make out the lineup card. He can’t go on the field and perform. I think if half of our lineup was hitting over .245 would help much more than dumping Lou Piniella.
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jun 28, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
Lou can’t hit for the players with RISP.
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 28, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unlike some other years, the right players are in place
but they aren’t doing their jobs. That’s the bottom line.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 28, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly.
and that’s why it’s so rediculous to call for Lou’s beheading. What more can we expect the man to do?
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jun 28, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
I’d hate for them to make Lou a scapegoat like Gerald Perry.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 28, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
By that logic
By that logic a manager should never get fired. The team isn’t prepared. That’s the managers problem. I haven’t liked Lou from the beginning and as time goes on he hasn’t done anything to change my mind.
by goddess on Jun 28, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah.
he’s only won the division both years he’s been here.
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jun 28, 2009 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so you admit your biased..
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 28, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs have never made the playoffs two times in a row in my lifetime. So he's done one hell of job.
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 28, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prior to last year.
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 28, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes...
… a manager has to go, to make a statement. Look what it did for the Rockies this year.
It may be getting toward that time.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 28, 2009 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't that Gerald Perry's dismissal?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not enough.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 28, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not enough is right, but
Why not remove the more guilty party?
You want to make a splash to save your job, Crane? Fire Hendry.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who would you replace him with?
Serious question.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 28, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's probably more
than a “off the top of your head” question, but I think there are plenty of very smart young minds out there that could spend 130 mil much more efficiently than Hendry. Kim Ng is supposed to be brilliant, for example.
I don;t think Hendry goes anywhere until ownership is resolved, but that in no way means I think he derves the job at all. I think he is a below-average GM with top financial backing.
DEJESUS!!!
by tomas21 on Jun 28, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's had a really bad year, that's for sure.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 28, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
tomas' suggestion isn't a bad one
I’d give Randy Bush an interview to gauge how he’d correct the course, too.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you seriously advocating
the Cubs fire Lou? Seriously?
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 28, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I just might be to that point.
Something has to happen to REALLY shake up this team. Maybe that’s it. I’ll reserve judgment till the All-Star break.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 28, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the words of Hall and Oates
I can’t go for that. I don’t think the situation is nearly dire enough for that. Plus, I think Lou knows what he’s doing.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 28, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I used to think that, too.
But I’m beginning to wonder. And yes, I DO think the situation is getting toward “dire”. This team should be winning more games than this.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 28, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hall and Oates reference?
wow. Awesome. :D
I’m not ready to give up on Lou either.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
about that. Doesn’t he have another year on his contract after this? If this is his last year, and he’s retiring after this, and he’s given up, then maybe.
But I think Lou has proven to me that he knows how to manage, and the guys in the clubhouse need to get themselves going rather than waiting for Lou to yell and scream them into performing.
I also suspect that Lou’s hands may be tied into keeping Soriano in the lead-off spot, which might be hurting the team offensively as much as anything.
DEJESUS!!!
by tomas21 on Jun 28, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's Happening?!?!?!?!?!
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jun 28, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no, he can also try to force the issue a bit on offense.
we are absolutely dreadful at bringing runners in, especially when we have them at third with less than two outs. lou can put a squeeze on every once in a while, and he should. he could also put on some hit and runs, etc. instead, he just lets these guys swing away, hoping they’ll break out of it. i’d like to see lou start to micromanage a bit.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie
by buckmulligan on Jun 28, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
when you have a bunch of guys not driving in runs on their own, it’s typical of a manager to play hit and run or run and hit, squeeze plays, whatever to get the guys concentrating on simply putting the ball in play instead of trying to hit 5 run home runs. We have had a fair amount of chances to drop a squeeze play to try and generate some runs. But , to be fair, we don’t bunt very well as a team.
I say, if what’s been happening isn’t working, gotta try something else. If the guys aren’t driving in the runners on third base at all, you have to force the issue. I would love to know how we rate as a team in sac flies. It seems we never get them when we need them.
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by BigJohnAZ on Jun 29, 2009 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if we are not one the worst in the league at getting in a runner from third base or with less than two outs, or at least in the bottom 3 in the league, i will eat my hat.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie
by buckmulligan on Jun 29, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You may be right...
But I don’t think that Lou signed on to try to win games for two months with the like of Andres Blanco, Ryan Freel, and David Patton.
Honestly, at 136 million in payroll, and a new owner coming on board, I’d expect anything less than a playoff appearance ensures that Jim Hendry is shown the door, not Piniella. Just my opinion.
by Damen Jackson on Jun 28, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Jun 28, 2009 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could be worse
I’d say if this team finishes more towards the cellar, Lou would probably retire and it wouldn’t be long before Jim Hendry is shown the door. What incentive would Lou have to stick around? What incentive would an owner have to keep Hendry around with how he bloated the payroll and drove a first place team into the ground?
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
by Ace Venom on Jun 29, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe lou needs to go,
but if we lose him now, i certainly don’t see this team turning it around. i’d rather wait until the offseason.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie
by buckmulligan on Jun 28, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right...
If anything, I see this team just packing it in without Lou. He still instills some element of fear into the players, without him, I think it could only get worse.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 28, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Often...
… when a manager with a “hardass” reputation is replaced, the team goes on a hot streak simply because they relax.
Best example: 1982 Brewers. Fired noted hardass Buck Rodgers when the team, which had made the split-season playoffs the year before, was floundering at 23-24. Harvey Kuenn, noted nice guy who owned a bar near the ballpark, took over and the Brewers took off, going 72-43 the rest of the year.
There are others, but that’s the top one I can think of. It happens.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 28, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't Torborg the same hard-assed guy for the Marlins in 2003?
I remember reading that Jack McKeon’s first words to his new team was “Have some fun!”
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Jun 28, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Buck Rodgers' career didn't recover
for 500 years.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like
first team to 85 wins, claims the division.
Pittsburgh will give us problems. I get the sense that this team believes it can turn it on when it wants. They see that they are only 3.5 back, and figure that is nothing, we will get it going. Time is running out.
I don’t know it just looks like one of those years to be frustrated throughout the whole summer.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
by Grockcubs on Jun 28, 2009 7:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
this year reminds me so much of 2004.
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jun 28, 2009 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
IIRC
2004 was not a fun year… and I’m pretty sure I remember correctly.
"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott
by Reddevil on Jun 28, 2009 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
high expectations
“in it” for most of the summer. Had a 1 game lead in the WC in the last week of the year and then lost like 8 of 11 or something like that. It just felt like that team thought they SHOULD win, and didn’t seem to put forth 100% effort all of the time.
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jun 28, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
And with 2004 in mind… I remember a big mid-season trade, and thinking Nomar was going to march us to the promised land.
This year, there’s a good chance a trade won’t fix things. But better play might.
"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott
by Reddevil on Jun 28, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and don't you think a big trade....might.....induce better play?
Albert Pujols for Cubs Starting 1B in 2012
by heine41 on Jun 28, 2009 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure! Hope springs eternal.
I’m just saying after the Nomar trade in 2004, I was sure the play would improve. It did not.
And I agree with AD… this season does feel like 2004.
"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott
by Reddevil on Jun 28, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It didn't improve in 2004
because a lot of the players were no-account idiots (Sammy, Hawkins, Alou, Mercker) led by a no-account manager who allowed the inmates to run the asylum.
This manager is better, and these players are better, both in ability and in demeanor (the Bradley incident aside).
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 28, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really don't think that's true
In fact, I think they’re trying too hard.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 28, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i agree, and since almost no one will be going to the ASG this year hopefully theyll relax and make a push for the division title
by jesus christos on Jun 28, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree 100%.
The question is, how do you get an athlete to STOP doing that?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 28, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, for one, i'd like to see lou start taking some of the decisions out of their hands.
instead of letting them go play the game, swing away, etc., how about putting on more plays (hit and run, squeeze, etc.)? force them to think small.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie
by buckmulligan on Jun 28, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I’m not a big fan of the sacrifice bunt, but sometimes something different needs to be done.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
If we aren’t moving runners over the traditional way, you have to do it any way you can. How many times have we complained about the hitters not having productive outs? Their situational hitting comes and goes.
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
by BigJohnAZ on Jun 29, 2009 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Time is not running out when you are 3.5 back
Unless it is September
Albert Pujols for Cubs Starting 1B in 2012
by heine41 on Jun 28, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I saw ANY progress with this club, I'd agree...
but when you don’t, you have to wonder.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 28, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
progress can happen after July 1st
Albert Pujols for Cubs Starting 1B in 2012
by heine41 on Jun 28, 2009 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, it's not a light switch
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 28, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe it is.
See the 2007 Chicago Cubs, or the 2007 Colorado Rockies
Albert Pujols for Cubs Starting 1B in 2012
by heine41 on Jun 28, 2009 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
See the 2003 Chicago Cubs
That team was muddling along at .500 until Ramirez and Lofton showed up.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 28, 2009 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
with the key being: "acquiring 2 exceptional players"
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 28, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, one of those players
is coming back soon, perhaps even later this week. The other one? We’ll see what JH has up his sleeve.
The other thing is that this team doesn’t necessarily need an outside jolt. The right players are there. Remember, in 2003 Mark Bellhorn and Lenny Harris were playing third base.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 28, 2009 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather
not rush Rami. If we can keep up with the Cards and Suds for the next two weeks, that’s early enough for him.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those two weeks say a lot about IF they CAN keep pace
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear you
But if he’s feeling OK, I’d bring him back ASAP. Those Suds and ’Birds series before the ASB are looking pretty big right now.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 28, 2009 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, indeed.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
surely we're not going to expect him to hit
when he gets back. he’s going to be weak and rusty.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie
by buckmulligan on Jun 28, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course I'm expecting him to hit
Maybe not hit .350 or whatever, but yes, I’m expecting him to hit.
I’m also expecting him to restore order to the lineup.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 28, 2009 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm expecting him to be really bad for a month or so
and then respectable, with a few hot steaks. i don’t expect to see a lot of power.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie
by buckmulligan on Jun 28, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly
Expect him to blow chuncks…he had a dislocated right shoulder – I dont think we will see the normal Ramirez this year at all
I saw you in that coffee shop, breaking the fifth commandment. Congress passes these things for a reason, Lois.
by hansman1982 on Jun 28, 2009 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he will suck
or be the 2nd coming of Albert Pujols. He’ll probably be in the middle. I hope the added pressure of him having to be the savior won’t affect him, have him trying to much and putting even MORE pressure on the others who are stifling under it.
How many times does a player have a major injury and simply pick up where they left off? The first 2-3 weeks will be like ST again. I hope he can drive in some timely runs and help this team relax. Just by having back at the hot corner wil be a big plus.
"WGN, Channel 9 Cubs Baseball, Excitingly, Importantly, Dramatically Yours." - Jack Brickhouse
by BigJohnAZ on Jun 29, 2009 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
see Houston Astros of 05 or Marlins of 03
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jun 28, 2009 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Astros and Marlins
I remember that Jack McKeon being named manager started the Marlins on their tear, but did anything happen to the Astros in 2005 that got them going?
by CaliCub on Jun 28, 2009 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.
Rockies won 17 of their last 20 games.
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 28, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Recall in 2007 that the Rockies were 4 behind San Diego
on Sept 20 – and won the division in a playoff game after the season ended. They then swept Arizona & the Phillies in the Division & Championship Series. This from a mediocre team that spent most of that season in 4th & 5th place.
As far as I am concered it ain’t over ‘till it’s over, cause crazy shi*t always happens in this game.
by JFCubFan on Jun 28, 2009 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rockies won 21 of their last 22. If that isn't flipping a switch, I don't know what is
And this years Cubs are a better team, with a better manager
Albert Pujols for Cubs Starting 1B in 2012
by heine41 on Jun 28, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rockies were an exception, not the norm.
But, sure, it could happen.
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 28, 2009 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially with that avatar
Was it over when the Germans attacked Pearl Harbor?
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forget it, he's rolling
Boy oh boy oh boy
by BleedsbluinMI on Jun 28, 2009 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Classic Bob Brenly today...
1. “How can anyone complain or be concerned about Jake Fox playing left field, when that’s the type of defense we get every day out there?” (After a play Fonzie seemed to give up on)
2. “The White Sox say he’s the SS of the future, but Ramirez is absolutely terrified of contact around second base and will do anything to avoid it.”
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jun 28, 2009 7:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually, the White Sox radio announcers said the same thing about Ramirez and about Fonzie....
So it is obvious to the most casual observer :-)
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Jun 28, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really sure
While my head says the 2009 Cubs are pretty much shot despite being only 3.5 games back, my heart says it’s not insurmountable. This division is up for grabs, but the Cubs have not shown they can do what it takes to make gains. You can fill a team with All-Stars, but you can’t always expect good things to happen. Instead, what you’ve got is a giant payroll with just about nothing to show for it. The Cubs are skidding towards a fourth or fifth place finish in the division, but that may not happen if they actually play up to their level of talent. Just remember that their record shows more about what kind of team they are than the level of talent on the field.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
by Ace Venom on Jun 28, 2009 7:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Is this Ace from ESPN.com?
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 28, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The one in the same head case
Often imitated, but there’s only one Ace Venom.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
by Ace Venom on Jun 28, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol. It's me, TyHoward24.
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 28, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well ain't that somethin?
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
by Ace Venom on Jun 28, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol, yep, it sure is. Too many damn trolls, so I left.
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 28, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
See...
The Yankees of the last 10 years.
I saw you in that coffee shop, breaking the fifth commandment. Congress passes these things for a reason, Lois.
by hansman1982 on Jun 28, 2009 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hope for Bradley
consider the 2004 season: Bradley was traded to the Dodgers just days before the season after getting into a fight with the manager. Expectations were pretty high after a .321/.421/.501 the year prior. He was switching from the AL to the NL.
In April and May, Milt put up a .246/.343/.402, then things got worse in June with a 120/ .185 /.200 line and had the infamous ball-throwing meltdown.
However, after that, Uncle Milty put up a 406 /.465 /.656 in July and finished with a respectable, while unspectacular season line of 276/ .370/ .447.
NB: his season ended early after another tirade tore his knee up. But still, he has struggled early with new teams/leagues and come out ok. So maybe there is hope. I guess I’ll be patient, because booing/lamenting won’t help, and we’re stuck with him for 2.5 more years.
DEJESUS!!!
by tomas21 on Jun 28, 2009 7:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well then, maybe some other team knows this and can trade for him.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 28, 2009 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
trading him now would be a wise move.
DEJESUS!!!
by tomas21 on Jun 28, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
He has shown ZERO signs of turning things around.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 28, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless he forgot completely
how to play baseball, or he’s injured, he’ll turn it around. He has way too much track record of being a very, very good hitter to think this is his new norm. I posted above that in 04 he had a very similar April-June and then had a monster July and played relatively well the rest of teh way.
If we traded him now, we’d be paying most of his salary and getting nothing of substance in return. If we wait, maybe he’ll improve and we can either trade him for something better or take advantage of his production. If he has forgotten how to play baseball, we can trade him for nothing and pay his salary in another year or so.
DEJESUS!!!
by tomas21 on Jun 28, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll re-examine my thoughts about Bradley after the All-Star break.
That gives him 13 games to show me something.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 28, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he has forgotten anything and he's a very talented player.
But he may not be able to deal with the pressure here and to me that’s the issue (and that was the issue with him before they signed him). He’s going to have his injuries and miss some games but if he can’t put it together mentally here then he may never produce here like he is capable. He should have sought $30 million from a market with less pressure but there probably weren’t any $30 million sure thing offers from small markets.
by DudeVf11 on Jun 29, 2009 7:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This would be a stunning turnaround for MB.
I hope tat it happens but I am not counting on it. He doesn’t appear to want to play in the Chicago pressure cooker and he doesn’t have to produce for his next contract.
by DudeVf11 on Jun 29, 2009 7:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any word on when Aramis starts minor-league rehab?
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Jun 28, 2009 7:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hell probably start sometime this week, he just took some more BP today
by jesus christos on Jun 28, 2009 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
enough with the frickin bp
get his ass out there…and yes I know this irrational but its how I really feel.
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
by DC Cubbie on Jun 28, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
do that before he's ready
and you risk injuring him even more significantly.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on that
If it’s irrationa, DC, why the hairy frick are you suggesting it? Do better next time.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jun 28, 2009 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not soon enough
Albert Pujols for Cubs Starting 1B in 2012
by heine41 on Jun 28, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We still have some hope that he'll be back before the ASB. Doubt it, but it's possible.
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 28, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can the Cubs please start a winning streak tomorrow?
that would make me extremely happy.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jun 28, 2009 7:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+ a bajizillion x infinity
Albert Pujols for Cubs Starting 1B in 2012
by heine41 on Jun 28, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chemistry vs. Numbers
I’m starting the think that the two might go hand in hand. Having “the right mix” may bring out a little extra in players, and conversely having a lineup full of .800 or better OPSs makes for positive, “pick each other up” dugout and clubhouse. Chicken and egg stuff.
Another interesting thought I had – supposing there are two players available with similar career numbers (again, let’s use OPS). Let’s say their ages are relatively similar, give or take a year or two. Let’s even say for the sake of Lou that they both bat from the same side of the plate. Given all that, does it still make a difference which one of the two you pick for your lineup? Can Player A be a better fit despite his statistics being identical to Player B?
by CaliCub on Jun 28, 2009 7:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Part of the reason why the Cubs did so well in 2008
It seemed as if everyone clicked at the right time and everything went right up until September and crashed and burned in October.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
by Ace Venom on Jun 28, 2009 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's get this crash and burning out of the way now...
And heat up around July through October.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 28, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All we need
Is our version of the Manny trade. The big problem is that our outfield is loaded.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
by Ace Venom on Jun 28, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, all we need
is to get the best hitter in baseball.
DEJESUS!!!
by tomas21 on Jun 28, 2009 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like that idea...
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 28, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This year
someone new seems to step up to be the goat every day. If the starting pitching is good, the bullpen blows it. If the pitching is good, nobody hits. That, and everyone is having a reverse-career year.
Last season many played at career-best levels, and there was a new hero daily.
Whoever compared this season to 04 nailed it.
DEJESUS!!!
by tomas21 on Jun 28, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I compared it to '05...
But I’m staying optimistic and hoping 2009 plays itself out in it’s own unique and hopefully positive way.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 28, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And we hit with two outs, something this years team has a lot of difficulty doing.
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 28, 2009 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can do that?
I didn’t get a copy of that memo. I’ve been having problems with my TPS reports too.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
by Ace Venom on Jun 28, 2009 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Caption
Z: I don’t know Geo, the girl behind the backstop looks like a 10 to me.
Geo: No, she’s definitely an 8.
"Check the magic of a winning season and there are always reasons beyond the talent." Ned Colleti
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jun 28, 2009 7:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
thats too chill. even for me
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jun 28, 2009 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Caption
Zambrano: What do you mean I have something caught between my teeth?
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
by Ace Venom on Jun 28, 2009 7:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cubs Run Differential is currently 0
We’ve given up as many as we’ve scored.
Apologies if saying “we” gets on your nerves.
by CaliCub on Jun 28, 2009 7:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bryce Harper here we come?
kidding of course, but this does not look like a playoff team despite many in the media reassurance we’ll still win the division
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jun 28, 2009 7:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I read Wojo's column on ESPN yesterday and he said...
…even though we are struggling, we will win the division. He went on a soap box in the entire article, then proceeded to say the Cubs were going to win the Central. Made no sense to me.
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 28, 2009 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ive read that a few places
like its a forgone conclusion, mostly b/c of our pitching, so they say.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jun 28, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Caption
No, I had no idea where the hell that ball was going. But I did save money on car insurance by switching to Geico.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 28, 2009 7:56 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Win!
I’m not Al, but I think we have a winner.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
by Ace Venom on Jun 28, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like this one too.
Winner!
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 28, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 rec'd
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure Toronto could part with Kevin Millar
He’s no DeRosa when it comes to changing water to wine, but I hear tell he helps keep the clubhouse loose. ;-)
by CaliCub on Jun 28, 2009 8:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Right
I just noticed Al started posting in here so I thought I’d have some fun.
by CaliCub on Jun 28, 2009 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need some fun.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 28, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sigh.
Yes, I did. His performance, clearly, wouldn’t make him worth it.
But someone suggested the Blue Jays might be willing to part with Marco Scutaro. Might be worth it.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 28, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw the Scutaro suggestion, and it's not a bad one
Another guy having a quiet but decent year is Adam Kennedy with Oakland. .285 BA, .350ish OBP, can play 3rd, and OMG he bats lefty!
by CaliCub on Jun 28, 2009 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting.
Kennedy is almost certainly available.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 28, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
really hot start
cool last month though. It would be a reverse DeRosa (as in ex-Card who they probably should have kept).
by ol Pete on Jun 29, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that didn't take long... ;-)
“This will be the last time Mark DeRosa will be mentioned by me on this site, until the Cubs play the Cardinals.”
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jun 28, 2009 8:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
OK, so I had a bad day, too.
;-)
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 28, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was at the game and I thought........
Soriano’s play in left was shaky at best again
"We got some pretty good chemistry here. We got some toughness, and it's starting to show." - Lou Pinella
by Clutche on Jun 28, 2009 8:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
PHOTO CAPTION
Zambrano:
“I’m not sure if I feel anything yet, man. How fast does this stuff kick in?”
Geo:
“It’s creeper, man. Give it a minute.”
"You have to have short-term memory, no matter who you are in this game. There's always tomorrow." ~Derrek Lee
by Goodie1969 on Jun 28, 2009 8:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's creeper... Ha. LOL.
I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 28, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the Cubs should do their annual rookie "hazing" now instead of waiting for the end of the season
That ought to loosen things up a bit.
FWIW: here’s what the Reds did to their rookies on a getaway day at Wrigley back in 2004.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jun 28, 2009 8:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Really need to
get that collapse function back.
"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott
by Reddevil on Jun 28, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can think of six guys that would agree with you...
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jun 28, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh boy I finally get to say this!
Do. Not. Want.
by CaliCub on Jun 28, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha...excellent
"Your eyes can decieve you. Don't trust them." Obi-Wan Kenobi, the first sabermetrician...
by Curtain Jerker on Jun 28, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Got ID's for that photo?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 28, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Caption
Z: Who took this picture of us?
S: Huh.
Z: I said, "Who took this picture of us?"
S: Huh!
Z: What?
S: Huh.
Z: If you can’t hear me, take your mask off. Who is the photographer?
S: Who is on first.
Z: I don’t know.
S: Third base!
"Any old kind of a run wins it!"--Jack Brickhouse
by mattvegas on Jun 28, 2009 8:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The day the Cubs start to chilax is the day they will start to play and win consistently
I have a feeling that they just want to prove to everybody that all the hype was deserved. Easier said than done though.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jun 28, 2009 8:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you're right.
So exactly how are they going to accomplish that, with players and a manager as tightassed as they come right now?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 28, 2009 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta change things up a bit.....Some teams change managers. Some teams trade for
players (e.g., Manny). Some teams get rid of players (e.g., Barrett).
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Jun 28, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we made several trades and where did that get us?
"We got some pretty good chemistry here. We got some toughness, and it's starting to show." - Lou Pinella
by Clutche on Jun 28, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Bradley is as bad as people think he is
i guess he’s gotta go. Hendry is a really creative GM. I think he can find something in his bag of tricks if it ever gets to that point.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jun 28, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They should all got out
and get drunk together. Seriously.
DEJESUS!!!
by tomas21 on Jun 28, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't hurt.
Just take cabs home.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 28, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
make sure to do it
in a dumpster-free zone.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tightassed...
Thanks Al, that’s the first time I’ve laughed in a while. Although, it seems Lou would be looseassed because all he does is sit on the bench with his thumb up there waving his arms saying “What can I do?”
by cubfanwill on Jun 28, 2009 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we better not ask where that thumb has been.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 28, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not giving up on Bradley just yet but if there's a way
to get rid of him and somehow get Dunn, I think the move has to be made. I’ll admit i was a bradley supporter from the get go, but I totally overlooked Dunn’s consistency. 40 HRs and 100 RBIs are pretty damn good, and you could probably add a few more to the totals playing at Wrigley. :( I wish Hendry saw this.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jun 28, 2009 8:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I like MB...but let's say that he's bad for "chemistry"....in that case....
who in MLB will take him away from us? Anyone have any ideas?
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
by zevkalman on Jun 28, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know what we would get in return but
the teams i see trading for Bradley: NYM, NYY, DET, LAA
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jun 28, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well people said he was bad for team chemistry
before the cubs signed him, but that didn’t stop hendry from overpaying him. i don’t really have any good answers to your question of who exactly would take him, but i should think that there has to be some team out there willing to take the chance
by murphymj on Jun 28, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
plenty of people
said he was an excellent team player as well.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If MB wants to be in a place...
where no one will pay attention to him. DC would be the perfect fit.
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by Chris Dobbertean on Jun 28, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the only thing would be the money
i could actually see the nats do a dunn for bradley swap with the cubs giving them some young pitching
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jun 28, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
It actually makes some sense. Bradley, presumably, would hit with the pressure off him in DC. The Nats could get some young pitching, which they need (Ascanio? Stevens?). And the Cubs would get a RF who would rake AND stay in the lineup every day.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 28, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
anything is possible.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jun 28, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The big issue with the Nats...
is the GM situation. When Bowden was running the show, he was willing to take on troubled players (Elijah Dukes, anyone?), but with him out of the picture, maybe the philosophy’s changed.
Then again, it is the Nats…
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by Chris Dobbertean on Jun 28, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Bradley has burned enough bridges
No one is going to want to take him now. The worst case scenario is to just pay him to play somewhere else.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
by Ace Venom on Jun 28, 2009 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Think MLBT
has an article stating the Nats are trying to get rid of their players that carry baggage?? MB might not fit there.
I can see the Mets taking him ….
by cozmotaylor123 on Jun 28, 2009 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It appears
they are trying to change the philosophy here in DC then.
It’s so hard to tell with that franchise.
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by Chris Dobbertean on Jun 28, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe because they could equalize contracts getting rid of Dunn...
… and pick up a couple of pitching prospects.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 28, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still...
I cannot see anybody wanting that guy with the way he’s played, and his history. He should have stayed in Texas, he seemed comfortable there. Plus, there’s the DH.
by cubfanwill on Jun 28, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Still, there are always teams that say, “We can fix that”. They’re never right, but they say it anyway.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 28, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I agree that here are teams that will say they can fix it...
…or try and deal with it. But the issue is the contract term and salary to me, so it’s more whether the Cubs will et that contract for the other team or one of those other teams has a similar bad deal that the Cubs will swap.
by DudeVf11 on Jun 29, 2009 7:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and we can save money
by not buying Dunn a glove, either. Because there’s no point.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 28, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish MB would hit a walkoff HR
soon. I think that would go a long way to relax him and the team, AND the fans.
But then again, I thought the last laugher we had would relax us. We went right back to scuffling the next game.
This year’s Cubs are really hard to figure out. I hope the starting pitching will hold up long enough for us to sort this out and put a stranglehold on the division.
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by BigJohnAZ on Jun 29, 2009 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lou wants to manage a team, not 25 guys
he wants them all to be journeymen, no issues, just go out on the field and do your job. And in an ideal world, that would be the way it is.
But some of these people are kids, or if not kids, people who need a mentor. Somebody who would make the difference just with a couple guys and knit the fabric of this team together so that in the end whether going through injuries or the personal challenges, they can deal with anything and win.
Maybe that person was Ramirez, he’s in his 30’s, been around for awhile, been in Chicago for awhile. I would like to think that Derek is that guy, too, but maybe not for everybody.
Read this blog post by the Seattle Times beat writer and tell me that the difference between the Mariners and the Cubs right now isn’t their managers, and/or that the Mariners have somebody like Griffey. And I hate to say it but right now, watching both teams, the Mariners have a worse team, but more character than the Cubs. And they’re winning, for now, maybe not for long, but certainly progress, building, and they’ll contend.
Lou has to deal with it or winning will be all that much harder. This may be a stretch, but it sure seems that for all Lou’s experience, Don Wakamatsu in his first year is out managing him by what he’s getting out of his team.
Fundamentals are a crutch for the talentless. -- Kenny Powers
by patches23 on Jun 28, 2009 8:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Phil Rogers is a horrible writer.
He should just cover everything except the Cubs.
I know Zambrano is crazy but seriously
I offer this proposition for Jim Hendry: First thing Monday morning, put Zambrano on waivers. If anyone claims him and the $62.75 million left on his contract which runs through 2012, immediately trade him for whatever is being offered, from a bag of balls to a 32-year-old minor-leaguer.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jun 28, 2009 8:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Phil Rogers wrote that?
That’d be a -1 on his plus-minus ledger.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 28, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs