First Pitch Thread: Cubs vs. Braves, Wednesday 6/3, 6:10 CT
by Al Yellon on Jun 3, 2009 6:00 PM CDT
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1st
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
Go Cubs!
Let’s do this!
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 3, 2009 6:04 PM CDT reply actions
Welcome to the neighborhood, Em!
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by Chris Dobbertean on Jun 3, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Not all of us here Inside the Beltway...
are cold and distant!
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by Chris Dobbertean on Jun 3, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Good start!
Sori first pitch single!
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by Chris Dobbertean on Jun 3, 2009 6:10 PM CDT reply actions
While we're waiting for this thread to get going
I can’t believe the Braves released Glavine. Any chance he wants a year in pinstripes?
Believe or Leave ~Cubswynn 9/9/2008
We could do a lot worse.
Why not make him an offer and try him out of the pen
by Tangled Up In Blue on Jun 3, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions
From your keyboards...
to Hendry’s ears/eyes.
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by Chris Dobbertean on Jun 3, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd take that in a heartbeat
That guy can definitely get most line ups out for an inning or 2 still.
Believe or Leave ~Cubswynn 9/9/2008
I think something is up..
with that first base bag in the ATL…
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by Chris Dobbertean on Jun 3, 2009 6:11 PM CDT reply actions
Routine
Man…that sucked.
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 3, 2009 6:12 PM CDT reply actions
Nate Mclouth traded to braves?
has this been mentioned?
Really?
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 3, 2009 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions
The Pirates have traded Nate McLouth to the Braves, according to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.
The Pirates will reportedly receive three prospects in return. Tommy Hanson’s name is being thrown around, but that has not been confirmed. The Braves desperately need a legit bat for their outfield, but Hanson would be a steep price to pay. Details to come. Jun. 3 – 7:06 pm et
Source: Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Crazy
Good move for both parties involved.
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 3, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions
And for us
Not having to face him as much
by chitownhawkeye on Jun 3, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow.
If Hanson is involved that’s a pretty high price. The Braves must really be sold on Jurrjens.
by Tangled Up In Blue on Jun 3, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Disregard that last comment AZCubfan
My computer froze up.
Good point. Medlen and Jurrjens are good pitchers, but wouldn’t Hanson fill out the rotation nicely?
Can’t see why the Braves would mortage a fine future rotation.
by Tangled Up In Blue on Jun 3, 2009 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions
But Mclouth is a young stud too
The Braves need hitting BAD. Fair deal if it is as this
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 3, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions
I would take him on the Cubs
depending on what they have to give up…
by LT on Jun 3, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I wanted him before the Bradley deal
when Teahen’s name was also being tossed around.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
and Pittsburgh
goes into rebuilding mode. Again.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 3, 2009 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions
it's like hitting
back on your DVD player.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 3, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
No hanson
Great deal for them
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 3, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed.
Braves got a great player without giving up, IMHO, their top prospect.
Great deal.
by Tangled Up In Blue on Jun 3, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I wonder if this trade is another reason that Glavine was cut?
Frees up some cash.
by LT on Jun 3, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I would tend to agree.
However, Glavine’s velocity seemed up (mid to high 80’s) in his last outing.
by Tangled Up In Blue on Jun 3, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Seemed a strange time to release him
after they had him make some rehab starts. I heard on the radio it would save the Braves over $3M on Glavines contract.
by LT on Jun 3, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Incentives
He signed a deal pretty heavy in incentives. Not sure the exact numbers, but you could be right on at around $3M.
Still the guy is a future HOF for your organization. You would think that would earn him the benefit of the doubt.
by Tangled Up In Blue on Jun 3, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions
he was going to get a million
for DAYS. Like a MONTH.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 3, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Nate McLouth is good, but I think he gets a bit more credit than he deserves.
He’s a career outfielder, and his UZR/150 is -10.9. And he’s won a friggin’ Gold Glove for playing CF in 149 games, with a UZR/150 of -14.3 That’s good reason to understand that Gold Gloves are pretty much bullshit. He’s was an all-star in 2008, but remember, every damn team has to have at least one, and he was the only Pirate last year. The one good thing McLouth does is get on base (career .339) and hits for medium-power, like a lot of doubles. I think he’s a bit overrated.
Dan
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
ROLL CALL! WHO'S ALL HERE??
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Here for the next 40 minutes.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 3, 2009 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Here but I feel like hiding under the covers.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 3, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Scared which makes me sick
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 3, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Here...
…but leaving shortly.
Go Cubs Go!
by Tangled Up In Blue on Jun 3, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Here
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 3, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Here!
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by Chris Dobbertean on Jun 3, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions
here for a win
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
I'm here.
but if it gets nasty like it was last night, I’m out.
This line from a movie, television show or other piece of popular culture pretty much sums up my entire personality.
TWSS
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 3, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Tucson here
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
by tucsoncubsfan on Jun 3, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions
YO!
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 3, 2009 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Johnson doubles off the wall in right center to start the bottom of the first.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 3, 2009 6:17 PM CDT reply actions
Okay, I'd rather it wasn't a double
But that play by Dome was sweet.
Believe or Leave ~Cubswynn 9/9/2008
Pitch
Looked good from Lilly.
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 3, 2009 6:18 PM CDT reply actions
We'll see if the other team get's that called a ball too.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 3, 2009 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I bet Yunel fakes a swing...and instead takes a ball.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Filthy
Nice curveball.
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 3, 2009 6:19 PM CDT reply actions
I would kind of like to see Ted HIT Escobar
So he can see what it is like when you are REALLY hit.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
Not in the game....
later in the parking lot.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 3, 2009 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions
i really hate gameday
for some reason its overriding my hotkeys to go to between tabs.
really annoying.
Len and Bob...
are only alluding to the move.
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by Chris Dobbertean on Jun 3, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
From what I understand
it is not final.
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 3, 2009 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions
The Braves announcers
state that the Atlanta Braves have announced the deal. Sounds final to me unless there are some PTBNL’s
by LT on Jun 3, 2009 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Len and Bob...
teased it coming out of the inning/
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by Chris Dobbertean on Jun 3, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Its got a link on MLB.com
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
I am blacked out from Len and Bod
tonight thanks to the stupid blackout rules. Fortunately the Braves are on Peachtree tonight which we get in Nashville.
by LT on Jun 3, 2009 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions
next batter grounds out 6-3 2 out
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 3, 2009 6:23 PM CDT reply actions
forgot to add 6-3 DC
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 3, 2009 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I read that as 6-3-2 out
and was trying to figure out how Johnson was getting from second to home on an infield grounder, and why the out at first wasn’t enough…Wow. I am tired.
Believe or Leave ~Cubswynn 9/9/2008
McCann K's to end the 2nd.
no score
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 3, 2009 6:25 PM CDT reply actions
Ted
has that curveball working tonight! Way to bounce back from the leadoff double!
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 3, 2009 6:25 PM CDT reply actions
Mets /Pirates game cancelled due to bad weather
so what are the odds all Atlanta bound planes from NYC will be grounded for say the next 20 hours ?
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
maybe Z can give him travel advice
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
LOL
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 3, 2009 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Lee starts off 0-2 , works the count full....and flies out to center. 1 out.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 3, 2009 6:29 PM CDT reply actions
ok, just got home
we can start winning now
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
you're under house arrest.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 3, 2009 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
no, why would i be?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
If we start winning because you're home.....
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 3, 2009 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions
so i need to leave?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
sowwy
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
howdy
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Fontenot also begins his AB 0-2, but only gets to 2-2 before striking out swinging. 2 out.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 3, 2009 6:30 PM CDT reply actions
Pat & Ron talking about the trade
Ron says “they don’t care about winning — the organization.”
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
could be a few
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
lol
the Pirates.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 3, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
not Baltimore
or DC
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
in this case.
Baltimore gives up when they trade Roberts and that fella with the greek name.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 3, 2009 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Johnson grounds out 6-3. Inning over.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 3, 2009 6:32 PM CDT reply actions
Go Down in Order...
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 3, 2009 6:32 PM CDT reply actions
TWSS
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
Yep
He sure does.
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 3, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Pop out to Theriot. 1 out.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 3, 2009 6:36 PM CDT reply actions
Not the only one
There are several pitchers that own this pathetic offense. Hey, but it’s early, just ask Derrek Lee…he’s not worried. Or at least he wasn’t the first time he said that about three weeks ago.
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
Well
Nope. Just a reality check. And I left my pom pons at the door.
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
Francoeur
I’m glad he doesn’t play for us. I would have put a huge hole in my wall by now due to his lack of patience. Not that I don’t have a hole in the wall already because of this damn Cubs team lol.
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 3, 2009 6:37 PM CDT reply actions
I missed the second out...
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 3, 2009 6:37 PM CDT reply actions
Ted
Looking good!
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 3, 2009 6:38 PM CDT reply actions
Hah!
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
OT: What type of takeout should I order?
Chinese or pasta from the local pizza place?
I can’t decide.
Believe or Leave ~Cubswynn 9/9/2008
+6 more
and a canoli
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
i see how it is
get the entire BCB community drunk over the net, and take advantage of us. fine, be that way
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
SIROTT ATTACK!
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
Hey all!
How are things so far?
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 3, 2009 6:40 PM CDT reply actions
We're gonna lose
kidding
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
Goodness, I hope that's not true.
j/k ;)
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 3, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey!
How’s things in MA?
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 3, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Pretty good.
Waiting for the school year to be over, and ordering pasta for dinner. How’s VT?
Believe or Leave ~Cubswynn 9/9/2008
Vermont's fine
I’m getting better, too, got back from Chicago on Monday night.
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 3, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Good plate discipline there.
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 3, 2009 6:42 PM CDT reply actions
Of course
That’s what Lowe does to us.
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 3, 2009 6:43 PM CDT reply actions
He does it to everyone
He was not Maddux’s #1 "protege " for the last few years for nothing ( every time he showed up in LA Lowe’s ERA would drop in half so Lowe joked he wanted to take Maddux with him wherever he went)
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 3, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions
holy shit, did they really release Glavine?
I'm a lefty, maybe Lou should give me a shot for a position in the bullpen!!
yikes, think he'll go anyway else?
I'm a lefty, maybe Lou should give me a shot for a position in the bullpen!!
Might as well.
Several teams are pretty desperate. Would be interesting to see if the Mets might bite.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 3, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think he'd return to the Mets
I think he’s done, IMO
I'm a lefty, maybe Lou should give me a shot for a position in the bullpen!!
I think it his call
There are clearly teams desperate enough to give him a try.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 3, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, I don't know if he wants to move though
I'm a lefty, maybe Lou should give me a shot for a position in the bullpen!!
Yep.
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 3, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Lowe looks like he did...
in game 1 of the NLDS last year… :(
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 3, 2009 6:44 PM CDT reply actions
By Mark DeRosa
who is no longer here…
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 3, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Brutal
Absolutely brutal. Despite what Lou may believe, this is absolutely one of the worst offenses in baseball. They continue to run these ragamuffins out there on a regular basis, even the statistics will show it. And no, it doesn’t have to get better….it can stay this bad all season long.
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
What the HELL is a ragamuffin?
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Something similar to a...
rapscallion, perhaps?
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by Chris Dobbertean on Jun 3, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
And it can get better, we'll have to stay tuned.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
what are the options?
Bradley is hurt, ARam is hurt, Soriano is hurting…What do you suggest?
I guess you could say a bunch of Krummy options.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
Go ahead
Blame me for the complete inability of this team to hit. You guys are good at blaming others. I’ll take it.
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
who is blaming you?
no one is blaming you. Please check your martyr complex at the door.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 3, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Just makin a funny
I see the bad play / bad hitting but not ready to write them off as worthless as you have above.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
Well then
Seriously…tell me where I’m wrong here. I want to know exactly what signs you’ve seen that this team is improving. Any sign. I’ve seen enough to know that there isn’t one. But I’m certainly willing to listen.
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
Lee is hitting better.
Soriano is hitting better.
Bradley is hitting better.
The starting pitching continues to excel.
Guzman has become a real force in relief.
Soto, Fontenot, Riot, all hitting under their levels, and are likely to improve.
Without our best hitter, we’re only 4 games out.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 3, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow
Lee is hitting .250.
Bradley is hurt.
Yes, I agree, the SP has been good but not good enough to overcome an awful offense.
Guzman has been fine. Hardly a savior but a viable option. Again, he doesn’t hit either.
Soto, Fontenot and Theriot are just as likely to not hit anything the rest of this year. There are no guarantees they will even be marginally better.
Injuries are not an excuse. They could be without their best hitter all year which would translate into being down by more than 12 games at the end of the season at the current pace.
Hardly exciting clues for a turnaround. But I appreciate your effort.
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
Yes, Lee is hitting .250
And he’s hitting well over .300 in May, and off to a good start in june.
Soto, Fontenot and Theriot are just as likely to not hit anything the rest of this year. There are no guarantees they will even be marginally better.
No. that’s not true. It’s called an average for a reason.
There is hope. You don’t have to believe. It’s there anyway.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 3, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions
So what?
He hit well under .300 in the first month and a half. Don’t those games count? He was just as responsible for hurting the club in the first six weeks as he was for helping it a bit the last couple.
Average means nothing. If a guy hits .100 for three months and the team is buried and then goes on a tear when it doesn’t matter, at the end of the year you can’t say he had a good year.
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
For the record
And for the record, I loved Fontenot’s 2B. I would love to see a thousand more.
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
argh
THAT’S WHY I SAID HE’S HITTING BETTER!
That’s not a reason to think things can improve? Derrek Lee pushes his AVG up .100???
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 3, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 3, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Unreal
Dude, you’re unreal. As I said before, taking things personally on here is really unbecoming. If Lee raises his average another .100 points this year, I’ll pay off your mortgage.
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
amazing.
you said “what reasons are there to see improvement?”
and I showed you a guy who went from hitting around the mendoza line to hitting over .300 in the next month.
And you say I’m the blind one.
I’m not taking anything personally. But you’re being EXTREMELY… narrowminded.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 3, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions
you gave it up! :D
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 3, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Math
I think you need a math lesson. When you’re hitting in the low .200’s, or worse, a few hits a week will drive your average up considerably. Never mind average does not take into account whether you’re hitting the ball hard or when you’re getting the hits. I would suggest using alternative measures to support what I believe may be your argument….that this team is somehow improving at the plate. I’ll use runs scored as the true measure and I fail to see how that is getting a great deal better.
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
he hit
over .300 in May. After sucking in April.
You said they couldn’t improve.
You’re wrong.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 3, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Okay
if they are “worthless” then how can they be just 4 games back of the lead with all of the piss-poor play? You can def say they have underperformed as a team, but to say the team is worthless, the season is over then that is an overstatement.
There are about a gazillion variables that could happen. You are watching so you must think there is some kind of hope.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
Truth
I’m watching because I’m a fan. Believe it or not. But I’m also a realist and I can certainly discern good teams from bad. This one happens to fall in the middle. Maddeningly inconsistent. I do indeed want them to do well but unfortunately, I’ve seen this script before and more often than not, the ending is a horror.
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
i understand that
but you can look on with grim and get an ulcer, or look on with hope and have a beer
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Good point
But I think all of us have already been conditioned that if you’re a Cubs fan, you have already had ulcers or are good at going without.
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
or as I said before
to be a Cubs fan, you need to be 95% scar tissue
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Long enough
Since birth. Nearing 40.
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
Okay
Can’t you at least agree that this is better than all those times we were at this point in the season and like “The Cubs are 7 games under .500, oh boy”?
Believe or Leave ~Cubswynn 9/9/2008
or the 1990's
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Yeah, that's sort of what I was remembering
I will never forget being excited over Turk Wendell of all people, because he had 3 scoreless innings in his first start, and that was at least something. This team is definitely better than that.
Believe or Leave ~Cubswynn 9/9/2008
Better
Of course. Good enough? No. If the bar is set as low as the futility regularly trotted out in the 80’s and 90’s, then you could throw 25 guys warm bodies out there and be as good. There have been times that Cubs teams were indeed out of it by now, and time proved that correct. It’s not unheard of for a Cubs team to be buried by early June no matter how many games they had remaining.
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
I'm with you...
I hate seeing them struggle and play like they have. (especially yesterday). And you don’t know the ending to this story.
Look at last year, everything was roses through the whole year and then we still fall flat. The Cards won with a world series with a mediocre team in 06.
I don’t mind your frustration, juts don’t say the season is over or the team is worthless. We can be better.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
I agree
But by the same token, they can be worse. That’s the problem with the “it’s early” routine. Next week they could have four SP’s on the DL or more position players on the shelf. Or more guys not hitting or still not getting any breaks. The “it has to get better” routine is fool’s gold. Nothing has to get better. It can just as easily get worse. Really.
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
that can happen
to ANY team. You don’t get injured because you suck.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 3, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions
True
But this team has plenty of guys that just aren’t very good. I don’t like the term “suck”. It’s ignorant.
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
you don’t get even a call up to the MLB when you’re 30 without being a good athlete.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 3, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Huh?
What does being a “good athlete” have to do with anything? I can find you a million good athletes that couldn’t tell you the difference between a baseball and the third base line. Being able to hit and being a good athlete are entirely different things.
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
it doesn't have to
but I believe it will.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 3, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
and herrrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeee we go again.
This line from a movie, television show or other piece of popular culture pretty much sums up my entire personality.
I understand your frustration
but you have to come to acceptance that this is a .500 team and even if they want to improve this team there are absolutely zero options. None in Iowa and with the ownership situation no big trade possibilities also.
If you accept the above it will not be as frustrating to watch this team. Our chances to win this division are very slim. Hopefully 2010 will be better.
Having said all that I really really hope for things to turn around because many a time baseball proves us all wrong.
This really getting boring
We make Lowe look like Cy Young!
"He can't hit, he can't field, he can't run—all he can do is beat you."
Not just Lowe
Pretty much anyone listed as a SP the last month or more.
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
bull
We had a winning record in May. Sheesh.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 3, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Insanity
It just floors me to see that you are that bothered by comments that don’t paint some rosy portrait that this Cubs team is anything but run of the mill mediocre. Seriously.
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
It floors me that you revel in it.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 3, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm reveling on the floor of my apartment in your admiration.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
did we or did we not
win more games in May then we lost? Yes.
Then how do you square that with the comment “pretty much anyone listed as a SP the last month or more [looked like Cy Young against us]”?
Make comments. But make freaking REASONABLE comments! We all know this team is struggling. But we did not make EVERY FREAKING STARTING PITCHER WE FACED OVER THE LAST MONTH OR MORE LOOK LIKE FREAKING CY YOUNG.
Get some god damned perspective!
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 3, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Word for word
I guess we’re entirely literal here now. Fine by me. I’ll just stick with the fact that this team isn’t very good and you can sort out the rest. Fool yourself into believing something is right around the corner to make this team better. That’s your prerogative. And I won’t even lambaste you like you’re so fond of doing when your cure-all never comes.
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
you are
consistently and continually negative. This team IS very good. It’s simply not playing like it. They are not playing to their potential. That means there’s room for improvement.
You could see the glass as half full. YOU CHOOSE to see the glass as broken on the floor. Don’t bitch to me about how terribly this team is when you cannot see that this team is capable of better.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 3, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow
The standings say otherwise but since you say so, I believe….
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
the standings say
we’re 4 games out of first place with our best hitter on the bench.
And you don’t appear to be able to read.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 3, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Clutche?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Keep the faith
Things will turn around if you believe they will.
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 3, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Well that beats making some rookie call up
Look Cy Young. He is pretty damn good.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 3, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes but couldn't we step up and whack him once in a while?
"He can't hit, he can't field, he can't run—all he can do is beat you."
TWHS
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
I'm out
Gotta run, but see you all back here tomorrow to toast tonight’s “W”!
Fingers firmly crossed
by Tangled Up In Blue on Jun 3, 2009 6:46 PM CDT reply actions
Incredible that they would release Glavine like that
I'm a lefty, maybe Lou should give me a shot for a position in the bullpen!!
I'd take him in our bullpen.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 3, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Or Gregg?
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 3, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions
did the Braves announcers just say that Glavine asked for the release?
by LT on Jun 3, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions
TWIH
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 3, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Doesn't his family live in ATL though?
do you think he just wants to hang it up?
I'm a lefty, maybe Lou should give me a shot for a position in the bullpen!!
They said it was after the Braves told him
he wouldn’t start anymore
by LT on Jun 3, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I mean I would request my release then too I guess
I guess he thinks he might catch on somewhere. But who would want him that he’d seriously consider?
Boston: no…
Yankees: they don’t need him
White Sox: hah, he’d hate it there
Mets: maybe, but I don’t know if they’d want to pay for him
Nationals: They’d gladly take a fading star as a face, but would he really want to go there??
I'm a lefty, maybe Lou should give me a shot for a position in the bullpen!!
Out of the box but
Rangers. THey are trying to trade Padilla and I hear their pitching coach knows him pretty well.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 3, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions
but why would he want to be a Ranger though?
It’s an option, but what would it prove to go there?
I'm a lefty, maybe Lou should give me a shot for a position in the bullpen!!
Well a bit complicated
Ex Wife and kiddies live in Atlanta. He and wife and new kids live in CT
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 3, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions
'cause agents NEVER spin anything.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 3, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions
just ask thier attorneys
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
well it seems like an agent would say that he requested the release
so that he could help benefit another team..
I'm a lefty, maybe Lou should give me a shot for a position in the bullpen!!
Great shot of Cox loading up the lower lip with skoal.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 3, 2009 6:54 PM CDT reply actions
Soriano grounds out
One away.
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 3, 2009 6:56 PM CDT reply actions
ouch
When I began playing the game, baseball was about as gentlemanly as a kick in the crotch. -Ty Cobb
arm.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 3, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Looked like ribs on replay
can’t believe they did that with bulldog Ted on the mound.
by LT on Jun 3, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions
let's hope kosuke can make lowe pay for that
When I began playing the game, baseball was about as gentlemanly as a kick in the crotch. -Ty Cobb
and he does
Glad theriot didn’t try to run on Francoeur though…that guy has an arm
When I began playing the game, baseball was about as gentlemanly as a kick in the crotch. -Ty Cobb
Dome singles.
First and second, one away. Let’s score some runs here!
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 3, 2009 6:59 PM CDT reply actions
I like Dome. He's good.
This line from a movie, television show or other piece of popular culture pretty much sums up my entire personality.
TWSS
When I began playing the game, baseball was about as gentlemanly as a kick in the crotch. -Ty Cobb
Really?
I thought it was decent
When I began playing the game, baseball was about as gentlemanly as a kick in the crotch. -Ty Cobb
Nevermind
Let’s just forget about that, shall we?
When I began playing the game, baseball was about as gentlemanly as a kick in the crotch. -Ty Cobb
it worked for me
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
got lucky there, i thought he went around
When I began playing the game, baseball was about as gentlemanly as a kick in the crotch. -Ty Cobb
Runners go
Lee walks. BASES LOADED!
Wow. Riot would have been out.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
Lee walks!
Bases loaded, one out. Time to score some runs!!!!!
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 3, 2009 7:01 PM CDT reply actions
FONTY!
off the wall! TWO RUNS SCORE! Fonty to second, Lee to third!
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
LBR!!!
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by Chris Dobbertean on Jun 3, 2009 7:02 PM CDT reply actions
Font with the RBI double
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
YEAH!
Little Babe!
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 3, 2009 7:03 PM CDT reply actions
YES!
That’s what I’m talkin’ about!
This line from a movie, television show or other piece of popular culture pretty much sums up my entire personality.
Fontenot, RBI double!!!!
Cubs lead, 2-0!
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 3, 2009 7:03 PM CDT reply actions
I think he is probably actually happy
Assuming they will suck is kind of a defense mechanism but deep down I think he is a fan.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 3, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Enjoy!
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 3, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions
What's for dinner?
Hey, it's a new century!
by cowsarecool220 on Jun 3, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions
im running over
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Don't leave
Didn’t several folks do that yesterday ( WORF I am talking to you) and bad things happened ?
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 3, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions
train the dog to fetch it for you
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Get a TV dinner and eat it while watching
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 3, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions
hope this is a sign of him really coming around. Nice contact on that gapper
When I began playing the game, baseball was about as gentlemanly as a kick in the crotch. -Ty Cobb
Jeez...
It seems like forever ago that Derrek Lowe pitched for the Red Sox.
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 3, 2009 7:06 PM CDT reply actions
I know, I'm in Red Sox country.
How long ago was it?
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 3, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I think his last year with the Sox was the championship year ('04). But I'm not certain.
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 3, 2009 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions
correct, was '04. Went to LA in '05
When I began playing the game, baseball was about as gentlemanly as a kick in the crotch. -Ty Cobb
Hill
takes strike three called. 2-0 Cubs, 2 LOB.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
Agreed.
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 3, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Called strike was a little outside,
According to MLB gameday. Ah, well, I’ll take the 2-0 lead!
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 3, 2009 7:08 PM CDT reply actions
Man, these last 24 hours have been HORRIBLE game threads.
Just painful. Too much crap.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
hey Dan
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Drew
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
yo, Danny!
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 3, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions
reply fail
DREW!
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Hey Dan!
Gotta agree with you about the game threads … last night was ugly.
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 3, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Today's recap, tonight's game thread, all painful.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Jump
Greg Maddux could put a baseball through a Life Saver if you asked him. ~ Joe Morgan
by Sioux City Cubs Fan on Jun 3, 2009 7:10 PM CDT reply actions
New York weather is weird
Mets game cancelled and it is not even raining here in lower Manhattan.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
I'm in Queens. Not a drop here, either.
Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers
by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 3, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions
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