It's official Sammy retiring
I would be a hypocrite if I said he was not one of the best and most exciting Cub players I saw but it was SUCH an ugly ending.
He owned this town and even with corked bat and suspicions of steroids he could have stayed an icon if he had not been such a jerk in the end.
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just about to post this
I think eventually he is a HoF
I'm a lefty, maybe Lou should give me a shot for a position in the bullpen!!
by Chanman25 on Jun 3, 2009 8:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If Bonds, Big Mac get in...
..then sure, I think he’ll get in. I don’t think any of them deserve it though.
by TheHawkRules on Jun 3, 2009 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody has fallen farther, faster
as I look at it. He had some good endorsement pull. He was a one-name star. Then he just faded away. I say no on the HoF for now. The voters seem to be in no mood to vote in steroid users. And, yes, I think we can comfortably say that.
by Nibbles on Jun 3, 2009 10:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There is not one shred of evidence that Sammy used steriods...
There is widespread speculation. Speculation should not, and in the final analysis, I do not think it will not keep Sammy out of the HOF.
Big Mac? Proven user. Bonds? Proven user, proven liar. Sammy? Speculation, and jerk behavior… All this equals Sammy in the Hall.
I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 3, 2009 11:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dream on.
Every time Sammy’s name comes up for discussion among the voters for the HOF, the first thing that will come to mind is that they can’t let Sammy in and leave Big Mac and Bonds out. You can say there’s no proof of his use (and that’s up for debate), but it doesn’t matter. He’s thought of in the same way and both Big Mac and Bonds were better at Sammy’s own game, not to mention that they put up numbers at a HOF plate before they ballooned into the human charicatures they became. Sammy’s only chance for the HOF is that Bonds and Mac get in first. If they’re in, he’s in. If they’re not, he’s got no chance.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 4, 2009 6:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Up for debate?
Go find me concrete proof right now. All people have is pictures that they make assumptions on.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 4, 2009 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Actually, Sammy’s HoF candidacy might be the most interesting among the steroid-era guys. There is a lot more evidence against Bonds and McGwire. The only cheating WE KNOW Sosa did was corking a bat.
Even Canseco qualified his statements by saying he had no first-hand knowledge of Sosa’s drug use. Besides his weight gain (which is really hard to ignore), the biggest argument is that Sosa’s home-run totals shot up from a career high of 40 to 66. But, he hit 40 in 1996 and missed nearly 40 games that season.
I’m not saying Sosa SHOULD make it, and I’m not predicting that he will. But I don’t think voters should reject his candidacy the way they will reject Bonds’ or McGwire’s.
by elgato on Jun 4, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Actually, Sammy's HOF candidacy might be the most intersting of the steroid era guys."
Probably true, mostly because he never held the major HR records. Those records make Mac and Bonds symbols of the era, and to the old players and coaches in the HOF and the writers who covered them, the fact that they held or hold those records is offensive, which is why they won’t get in until those guys start to die off. Not trying to be cruel or insensitive, it’s just the truth.
That, and Sosa was a guy lots of people liked, unlike Bonds and even Mac to a lesser extent.
It may not be fair, but the HR hitters of the 90s and early 00’s are the symbols of the era, and they’re going to pay the biggest price for it.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 5, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No.
Pictures are proof, and so are numbers both before he ballooned up and after the leagues started testing. You’re not convinced by that, and that’s your right, but quite frankly my point is that what Cubs fans think, and even what reality is, DOESN’T MATTER. If he was clean, it will be a great injustice if he doesn’t get in. But widespread perception among the public (and I’m assuming, the people with a vote) is that he was using PEDs. It’s my belief that the voters won’t put anyone they believe used in the hall, or at least they won’t put anyone even loosely associated with the ridiculous home run totals in the 90’s and early 00’s in the hall. That’s what I think. If I’m wrong, good for Sammy.
Do I think he used? Of coures I do (so do you, if you’re honest enough to admit it). But that hardly makes him extraordinary given the era in which he played when MLB and the union was all but telling players it was ok, even beneficial to the game, to use PEDs. But to suggest it’s not going to effect his chances for the hall when it’s clearly the only thing keeping McGuire out when McGuire was superior to Sosa by virtually every measure is just ridiculous.
Maybe, over time, when folks settle down on this issue, the doors will open and McGuire, Bonds and Sosa will end up in the hall. But I just don’t believe Sosa’s got much of a chance of getting in while McGuire and Bonds are blackballed. That opinion, and my belief that Sosa used steroids, are just my opinions based on the evidence I obtained with my own eyes and the numbers he put up, and timing in which he put up those numbers. If that’s not enough for you, that’s your business, because like I said, what I think and what you think just doesn’t matter. If Zogby ran poll right now on whether Sosa used, I bet the totals would be 70/30 saying yes. Among HOF members and writers, the percentage is likely to be a lot higher. The only question is, whether that matters to them. Base don their behavior so far, it appears to matter to them, and that means Sosa isn’t getting in until there is a cultural change in the voters, and McGuire and Bonds get in before him.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 5, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
pictures
aren’t proof of anything other than the fact that he got bigger. He used Andro.
There’s no proof he used illegal drugs. Till there is, I won’t believe that he did, and that’s me being utterly honest.
Sosa is the only player to hit 60 hrs in three seasons in a row. He won the silver slugger FIFTEEN times. He’s in.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Sammy should be in
as well as McGwire and Bonds. People may think they “obviously” took steroids, but it hasn’t been proven and until it is, I believe all 3 should be in the Hall.
by Cubs and Hawks fan on Jun 4, 2009 8:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If you honestly think that it hasn't been proven that Bonds used...
… then you simply don’t want to believe it.
I still think he should be in the hall, though. Just put on his plaque that he used steroids. Just like Rose should be in the hall with a placque that says he has more hits than anyone who ever played the game and he was given a lifetime ban for betting on games as a manager.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 5, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lets say all three are guilty (for sake of argument)
and they are denied based on that. What do you do with players in the HOF who used greenies, or the spitball to be successful? Do you remove these players, for ethical and moral reasons, orleave them in and state that it is not prejudice against the current crop of cheaters that the older cheaters are being left in?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 5, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
An excellent point.
I’m for honesty, I guess, and that means for the most part that if a player has the numbers he should get in and their bust or placque or whatever should indicate the things they did that might diminish those numbers. Whether it’s gambling, spit balls, steroids, amphetamines, or whatever.
I do happen to think that it’s steroids are different that spit balls, because the substances used were illegal, and if you commit a crime to help put up HOF numbers, that seems to me to be a fairly legitimate reason to keep a guy out of the hall. But yeah, some of the amphetamines and other substances used in the 70’s and 80’s before steroids were as commonly available were likely illegal as well. Should those guys get pulled if the voters won’t put known steroid users in who would otherwise qualify? That makes me uncomfortable, which may be hypocritical.
I’m not sure that I think they shouldn’t get in, I was just trying to say I don’t think they will. At least not for a while. And I do think that includes Sosa.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 5, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As A Cubs fan trying to pull for the guy
would rather not have read this:
He last played for the Rangers in 2007, a season he called his most fulfilling, hitting 21 round trippers and batting in 92 runs in only 114 games.
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by tony412 on Jun 4, 2009 8:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice comment
about how he will wait for his HOF induction. That article just spews how self centered he is.
by AndHart120 on Jun 4, 2009 9:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't choose to suspend disbelief
There is more than ample evidence Mac and Bonds used. And, yes, one’s own eyes can be used to determine use. Some people want to cling to the wonderful story of how Sammy the shoe shine boy from the DR came to the US and made it big. We all loved his personality, beaming smile, and homers. But, let’s be honest. He used. He got gigantic. If you think this about just letting everyone in, then say that. If you don’t care guys used steroids, say that.
All the evidence I really need was when Sammy clammed up when offered a free test. And, there was the little incident with the bag of steroids and his gofer a few years before that. You made your bed, Sammy. Lay in it.
by Nibbles on Jun 4, 2009 10:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You speak....
Of a test that you and I both know he could not have taken even if he had said yes due to the CBA and Players Union.
In Heaven there is no beer, That's why we drink it here, and when were gone from here, all our friends will be drinking all our beer!!
by By Santo's Grace on Jun 4, 2009 3:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's absolute true.
Selig’s going to take a lot of blame for the steroid era, and rightfully so, but I hope people don’t forget that Don Fehr played a bigger role in protecting players who were juicing.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 5, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs





















