This team is more disappointing then the 2004 Cubs.
by ccav23 on Jun 30, 2009 9:11 PM CDT
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PrintThis team is pathetic, unwatchable, and the most disappointing team I have ever witnessed. Even more disappointing then the 2004 Cubs. I hope they dont make the post season so i dont have to watch them get swept again. I cant stand to watch their offense not produce anymore. The pitching is mediocre at best, and they are clumsy defensively. How bad can this team possibly get? Oh and good job getting rid of Derosa. Hope your happy Hendry.
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I think it’s pretty self explanatory, are people allowed to vent on this website? I mean cant we say when were disappointed in a team that is playing way under their potential and expectations? Or should we just be passive and sit back and not say anything? The way this team is playing people need to vent, thats all were accomplishing, a place to vent, if that is okay with you. But I guess keep waiting for next year.
it's a fine line, i guess
venting is ok, but sometimes the negativity can be overwhelming. Especially when there’s not a constructive idea given that can improve the team, it’s like what’s the point, ya know? We are ALL frustrated, but if we all posted things like this after every loss this site would be overrun.
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jun 30, 2009 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions
After every loss
Is precisely the point. Every loss based on inept managing, poor fielding, and embarrassing plate appearances. The team that was supposed to be a big improvement over last year is driving this Cub fan to other summer pursuits. No, I don’t want to suffer through another maddening loss. This summer is going to be over before we know it and I won’t have anything positive to show for it. I love you all dearly, and I am very content to let you all dream of another Central Division title while the Cubs organization pisses it all away. Me, I think I’ll hit the beach and bike trail.
You're welcome to vent...
…but please don’t use a Fanpost to do it every time the urge hits.
I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.
another vote for sainthood for DeRo?
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Jul 1, 2009 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions
No doubt about it
In 32 years of following the Cubs this is without question the most disappointing and most truly unlikeable teams team. Far worse than 2004. At least with that 2004 team it was likeable.
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
How was it likeable?
The injury prone Prior? The Crap out in Cincy and New York to end the season? Bob Howry proclaiming the Cubs had 5 aces? That team was far and away the most disappointing I’ve seen. This team has lost one of its best offensive players. Much more understandable.
Howry wasn't on that team.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 30, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
It was the most UNLIKEABLE Cubs team I've ever followed
Kent Mercker whining about Cubs TV announcers were saying
Todd Walker whining about what announcers of BOTH teams were saying
Hawkins throwing tantrums and bizarre press conferences
Alou having hissy fits on every called strike
Bitching about newspapers, umpires, announcers, fans
Dusty Baker supporting all of that B.S. instead of reining it in
Sometimes I agree with your points, but this is bizarre
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 30, 2009 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly right
The 2004 team was the most thoroughly unlikeable Cubs team I’ve ever seen, for all the reasons Shanghai cites. It also was more talented than the 2003 team, which made the ‘04 team’s failure more disappointing.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 1, 2009 1:30 AM CDT up reply actions
The 04 club was more talented...
…than the 03 club, but they were not a better TEAM!
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Baker lost all credibility with a lot of people that year
If they hadn’t gone as far as they did in 2003, people would have been clamoring for him to get fired.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 1, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions
In 2004...
We had a pretty good team and we were in it until that collapse the last week; this feels way more like 2005. Two years of pretty good seasons that ended with disappointment, and now a very mediocre season with a possibly 3rd place (or worse) finish.
Someday we'll go all the way...
Do I hear 2006 ?
Now that was a BAD year. This is not even close.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
I would say there's a big difference though...
I’m going to do a FanPost on this very topic, but I’ll just say with a year like 2006, the expectations weren’t as great, the team wasn’t under the microscope this team is under, the payroll wasn’t as huge, and the personalities on the team were vastly different. I think it’s worse when all signs point towards the team doing well, and then inexplicably they’re terrible, not to mention there’s a few personality issues thrown on top of the team doing bad. When you know the team is going to be bad, or at least, not even going to be good, then your expectations are far lower and whatever happens becomes easier to swallow.
by Craig in South Bend on Jul 1, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Is it really
disappointment when your expectations aren’t as high??
granted, every preseason publication had the Cubs being the “class of the central”
but deep down, I didn’t expect much…. I still would love to be proven wrong, but I wasn’t going to let myself be disappointed.
this feels like a mix of 2004, 2005 and 2006.
Boo F**king Hoo.
I’m so sick of hearing about Mark DeRosa. The guy was a super sub. Get the hell over him.
He has more RBI’s then anyone on our team? Oh and how is his batting average compared to oh, lets say Soriano, Soto, Lee, Bradley, should I keep going?
RBI's?!?!?!
Do you have a brain? Do you choose not to use it?
RBI’s are a product of who gets on base in front of you. If DeRosa was on the Cubs, he wouldn’t have half that RBI total. Cleveland has had 200 more baserunners than the Cubs, and his a much better offense. That’s why his RBI totals look like that.
And since you asked, his batting average is 17 points lower than Lee’s. Try again next time.
half right.
we have left PLENTY of men in scoring position. So yes, DeRo would have more than half the RBI’s he had on Cleveland. the “not using your brain” comments were uncalled for, especially since you were incorrect.
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jun 30, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
How was I incorrect?
Yes, we have left plenty of men in scoring position. But I provided a fact as to why DeRosa would have fewer RBI’s. Cleveland has had 200 more baserunners. 200 more. That’s the reason for his higher RBI totals.
Yes. Undoubtedly yes.
They both are bad defensively. Now look at their career numbers offensively. Eat some crow.
Career numbers. seriously, how many games has Bradley missed in his career. Again Derosa is a better player FOR THIS TEAM then Bradley is. It was a mistake letting him go because we signed Bradley.
Bradley wasn't signed to replace DeRosa's supersub ability.
If you can’t see that, then I can’t help you.
but, even if that figure is correct
all 200 of them weren’t on base in front of him. All i’m saying is getting men on base is only half the battle, you have to knock them in. He made a valid point about how he would be leading the team in RBI’s. Perhaps a better figure would be to look at his average with RISP and see how that compares to the rest of the team…that would probably be a better measuring tool.
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jun 30, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions
It isn't a valid point.
We have no idea where DeRosa would be batting, and if the RISP would be on for him. Who knows. RBIs are a stat of opportunity. Obviously all 200 weren’t on in front of him, but some were, and when you combine that with the overall higher offensive output from Cleveland, that explains his high RBI total. He wouldn’t have that many on the cubs.
That's stupid.
If you’re going to argue that DeRosa has had more opportunities, fine. But to cite the total team baserunners doesn’t tell you anything.
How do their numbers compare in terms of AB’s with RISP?
How is that stupid?
The team has had more baserunners, so DeRosa has had more RBI chances. Quite simple.
Because you said earlier...
that RBI’s are a team stat, which I obviously agree with. But then you go on to reference… team total baserunners? What kind of terrible logic is that?!
Wow.
RBI’s are a TEAM stat, and therefore are influenced by TEAM total baserunners.
Ya think?
You’re missing the point. If you really want to know why DeRosa has more RBI’s you should be looking how many more at bats with RISP position he has had. Looking at team total baserunners is pointless, as the majority of those baserunners are on base when DeRosa ISN’T up to bat. Why look at that when you can just compare the number of at bats with runners on or with RISP?
How can you compare that?
How many more at bats than whom?
This was never about Bradley!
ccav threw him in at the end, but all I said was that DeRosa would have fewer RBIs on the Cubs. I never brought Bradley up.
That might have changed this week , in regards to Lee and Derosa’s BA, but are you that bent out of shape that you cant see how big this mistake was? I mean I dont see Bradley playing third since ARam got hurt, Derosa could, and there would be alot less drama. So seriously since you couldnt grasp my comment Mr. Stats, I will put it more simple for you: The Cubs were a better team with Derosa, he was a great utility guy that you could have plugged in to almost any position. We got rid of Derosa because of the Bradley signing, were all witnessing how that is turning out.
If you're upset about salary limitations,
then blame the Trib Co. Also, “I will put it more simple for you”??? Why don’t you pick up an English book. The Cubs weren’t better because of DeRosa. If they had Bradley last year, they would have been better than they were for having DeRosa. See, I can play meaningless speculation games too!!! DeRosa is worth about 2 or 3 wins a season. Ryan Theriot can do that.
Sorry Mr. English, always one on every blog, I thought you can’t compare numbers because Milton played for the Rangers last year, an A.L. team. I mean that was your argument with Derosa this year, right?
Don't try to equivocate with me.
I said you can’t compare RBI numbers because they were different teams. I said nothing about AL/NL. But thanks for helping me with my point, because if Bradley played for an NL team instead of Texas last year, his OBP and SLG numbers would have been even higher. Thanks for playing.
Well he is doing awesome this year, I mean he is hitting the hell out of the ball. Face it, Bradley is garbage, why has he played for like 11 teams throughout his career? I know your going to give me the exact number of teams mr Stats, so give or take. Seriously Derosa is a better fit for this team then Bradley, simple as that .
Bradley is garbage, yeah. That's it.
Uhh, and Mark DeRosa has played for a hell of a lot of teams too.
Derosa – Braves,Rangers,Cubs Indians/Cards. Listen Aram is good for 1 DL stint a year, just like Soriano and Lee. It was nice to have a guy that could play all of those spots, and still not lose a ton of productivity. Bradley has better offensive numbers, no doubt, but there is a reason that he has played for so many teams. Plus he is just terrible this year, i mean he went like 10 games without an RBI before last night. I just think the advantages of Derosa are more then the advantages of Bradley. Sorry if you cant handle that.
Believe me, I can handle your opinion.
As they say, everybody is entitled to an opinion, yours just happens to be wrong.
Dont know if you can... guy
You seem like kind of freakout, one of these "I’m always right " types. Use your above response as an example. You should really try not to be such a tool.
I happened to be right about this.
And I’m not going to stoop to your petty namecalling. I’m perfectly fine knowing that I’ve bested you on this.
I don't think so
It wasn’t about being bested. It was purely an observation that I think this team is more disappointing then the 2004 team. I think the Bradley deal has played a huge part in that. I don’t think Derosa is the greatest player in history, but he was more of an asset to the Cubs because of his ability to play several positions. I mean if you want to think you bested me, then fine, but it’s not about besting, it is about an opinion.
So according to you, dont post anything negative, unless we have ideas on how to improve the team. Should we wait until the end of the year before we post negative thoughts. Seriously It’s not about tonights loss, its that they are 2-6 this past week, 2 games under .500 for the season, its pathetic. And when the Cubs start paying me GM salary, then I will suggest how they fix this.
I'm telling you guys
This DeRosa fetish has turned among many Cubs fans from a weird obsession into a full-blown mental illness. Never seen anything like it.
Some of you DeRosaholics should seek psychiatric help.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jul 1, 2009 1:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Both years sucked...
And the years inbetween them sucked. Yes, even last year because of how it ended. I can’t tell you how irritating it is when somebody tells me that last year was a success. No, it was in the regular season. But you know what, the regular season didn’t mean a damn thing when it mattered the most.
Lou Piniella got them back to back division titles, also his back to back division titles became 0-3, 0-3
Meh.
It’s difficult to judge an entire season before the All-Star break.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Jun 30, 2009 9:38 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
So far the 09 team is worse
The 03 team making the playoffs was still a bit of a surprise, whereas last years team was dominating in many aspects
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
None of the above.
Still, I point to the 1997 Cubs. The season was over by April 20. How could anything be worse?
by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jun 30, 2009 10:05 PM CDT reply actions
Hey aren't you the guy
Who wrote this 2 hours ago and Al deleted the post?
Didn’t get the hint huh?
Don’t accidentally fall off the ledge when you start bitching tomorrow morning.
I guess you cant post negative stuff about the cubs? And i think it was because I used Suck in the title. Not worried though.
calm down buddy
There was no stalking if I remembered replying to your first post that got pulled.
And I’m not getting banned. I at least bring constructive conversations to this board.
Well the 40 some people that replied must not be to constructive for your likings, maybe you should jump on another conversation.
oh
And i dont know what your looking for in a conversation, but I do believe that talking about how disappointing this team is, is something that should be posted on a Cubs Blog. I mean if your a fan shouldnt you be a little upset right now? I mean c’mon, The Pirates.
This season is half-over, not 3/4 over
The Cubs have plenty of time to pick up ground. All they have to do is start hitting, which I believe is going to happen in the begining of the second half. Also, the pitching is a little better than mediocre.
What's the opposite of a ledge jumper?
Someone who doesn’t even see the ledge and walks right off?
Ledge walker?
<< ledge walker
I hope they do pick it up, and your right maybe I was off on the pitching, it just seems lately that nothing is working. Baserunning was horrible tonight, and situational hitting has been bad all year it seems, the starting pitching was the one thing tht was the bright spot, but even that looks shakey lately.
At this point, does it really matter?
I’m not trying to be snarky to the original poster. I’m just tired of having somewhat pointless debates — i.e. devoting attention — to a team that has let me down so much.
Lots o' grumpy people on BCB this morning, eh?
I haz comedy show in August. You come seez it please?: Hot Beans Delivers
by digitalbenjamin on Jul 1, 2009 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions
The grumps are some of the post-writers
Let’s see what we can bitch about next…
Just win the next game...!
Bad Speling!
I haz comedy show in August. You come seez it please?: Hot Beans Delivers
by digitalbenjamin on Jul 1, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
In the end,
2008 turned out to be way more disappointing to anything that happened in ’04 or ’09. We rode a incredible high for 6 months and then it all came crashing down on our heads and we were given a raft of bullshit excuses and half-thoughtout remedies that led us to this disaster of season we are currently embroiled in. Somehow, we ended up with a worse team on the field and in the bullpen, yet spent more money? The next few years are going to be rough ones as well unless the new owner completely guts that incompetent front office from the top all the down through the chain.
"He can't hit, he can't field, he can't run—all he can do is beat you."
I was even more disappointed in 2007
Even thought the regular season wasn’t as great as the 2008 team, I went into the playoffs with higher expectations. The way that team did a 180 in June was great. It felt like we were unstoppable.
When we went into the playoffs in 2008 I had a twinge of doubt (what if we don’t get past the first round again) Halfway through game two, it seemd like we were already out of it.
"There are no curses here...Games are won and lost on the baseball field" - Lou Piniella
I think you may be onto something there
It did feel like we were unstoppable late in ’07 and then it was gone.
"He can't hit, he can't field, he can't run—all he can do is beat you."
2004 was the lowest point ever as a Cubs fan
That team made me not only hate the Cubs, but hate baseball players and all athletes in general.
That team was evil on a stick.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
Was that the year
Fans through billy goats into the outfield on the last day of the season?
Live billy goats? Dead ones?
I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.
Hm, I don't remember that.
I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.
Bernie Madoff evil?
I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.
If I recall
It was done to RF. I’ll look for a link today if I get a chance.
At the time it was obnoxious, looking back it was probably deserving.
I voted for 2004 because...
…that season is over and this one is not. That doesn’t mean I’m filled with optimism about this team because – quite frankly – I’m not. But there’s still three months of baseball to go, so let’s take our full dose of suffering (or, perhaps, enjoy a thrilling surprise) before we rank 2009 anywhere.
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by daver on Jul 1, 2009 11:40 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm recc'ing this as it was my thought on seeing the premise and
I really like people who agree with me.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
The only reason Im going to say 2009 is that
we spent alot of money on players that suck. And everyone is failing. But, we aren’t going to finish as bad as 2004
No one goes there anymore, it's too crowded. - Yogi Berra
The 2004 team finished 89-73.
That just might win the division this season.
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Are you kidding? That record would probaby run away with this division.
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"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jul 2, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions
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