Micah Hoffpauir, Your Table Is Ready: Cubs Beat Braves In 11, 3-2
by Al on Jun 4, 2009 8:34 AM CDT
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It's official: I am on the Micah Hoffpauir bandwagon.
Now, that doesn't mean I think he should be starting and I still cringe a little when I think of him surrounding a baseball in right field. But last night, he had an absolutely perfect pinch-hit at-bat; rather than trying to overswing and smash the ball over the right-field fence, he went with a pitch up and out over the plate and flared it to the opposite field. It dropped for an RBI single, scoring Derrek Lee. That's exactly the kind of thing a pinch-hitter needs to do in that situation; if Micah can continue to do this, he's perfect for the role.
Then, Kevin Gregg, who had been so horrible just one day before, threw 12 pitches (eight strikes), got three quick outs for his ninth save and the Cubs quickly righted the ship, defeating the Braves 3-2 in 11 innings. It broke a seven-game road losing streak.
Once again, they got outstanding starting pitching. Ted Lilly, who has been the team's most consistent starter all year and also appears to be becoming the leader of the staff (the "ace", if you will, and I know that remark may begin a controversy), threw seven solid innings. While his 10 homers allowed in 11 starts seems like a lot, four of those were served up to the Astros in his first start of the year (and the Cubs won that game anyway). The only aspect of Lilly's game that I think needs work is his defense; the sight of him falling down attempting to field a bunt and then throwing it away is one we've seen before. The error helped make one of Atlanta's runs unearned.
Kudos are also deserved this morning for the bullpen's work beyond Gregg; Carlos Marmol settled down from his wild appearance on Tuesday to throw a scoreless inning, and I can't say enough good things about Angel Guzman. Here's one move that was debated on this site during spring training (whether to keep Guzman, who was out of options, or Chad Gaudin) that has clearly worked out to the benefit of the Cubs. Guzman has become the most reliable reliever in what otherwise has been a shaky relief corps. He has issued only eight walks in 25 innings while striking out 23 and allowed only 15 hits. While Marmol may have "earned" the right to be considered for closer in 2010 when, presumably, Gregg will have departed to free agency, I think Guzman should be given consideration for the role.
Also give credit to D-Lee, who had two hits last night and also made a couple of fine stops in the field. Whether his power will return or not is still an open question, but there is no question that his defense is still outstanding.
This win was one that, if the Cubs do go on to have the playoff season we're hoping for, could be labeled as "character-building" or a "turning point". Bad teams would come off a loss like Tuesday's and start a long losing streak. A turnaround win like last night's could start a similar winning run, presuming, of course, that Carlos Zambrano -- who almost defines the term "mercurial" -- can put his head in the game tonight long enough to beat a tough pitcher in Jair Jurrjens. The Braves made bigger news than their loss last night; just a couple of days after I asked Martin at Talking Chop why Tom Glavine was still attempting a comeback, the Braves released him. They had offered him the chance to gracefully retire as a Brave, but he declined. I can't imagine anyone else signing him, so he probably should have accepted the offer.
More importantly and perhaps more relevant to the Cubs, the Braves sent three minor leaguers to the Pirates for center fielder Nate McLouth, who presumably will be in Atlanta's starting lineup tonight against Z. McLouth just signed a three-year deal with the Bucs this past February, giving everyone the impression that Pittsburgh might be trying to lock up their good young talent at fairly reasonable prices and build around them. The fact that they shipped McLouth away so quickly means, perhaps, that the Pirates are trying to dump salary and that Freddy Sanchez might indeed be available.
Go get him, Jim Hendry. You've had fine luck trading with the Pirates in the past, and Sanchez would solve several Cubs problems, for now and for the rest of the season.
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One more thing to credit Lee with
Taking second on the fly ball in the 11th. Not every runner would have the presence of mind to do so.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 4, 2009 8:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My only disappointment
was once again, the Cubs were incapable of executing a sacrifice bunt. I was only watching on Gameday, but, like Scales the night before Fontenot failed in his attempt to lay down a bunt.
Kudos though to Lee for being aggressive and taking second base.
"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg
by gwood on Jun 4, 2009 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Theriot struggled as well...
I don’t get it. We had to replace our catcher to attempt a sac bunt last night (only to see the replacement fail at it), and our middle infielders struggle/fail to lay down a bunt.
Does this team not work on fundamentals?
I realize that a bunt is often a bad use of an AB, as it gives away an out. But it’s still a functional part of the game. Unless you’re Aramis Ramirez, you should know how to do it at least remotely well.
by SouthernCub on Jun 4, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Greg Maddux (I think) said it best
Pretend you are catching the ball with the bat. I think Tom Emanski (the guy who made all those cheesy yet effective videos) actually glued a mitt to a bat to exaggerate the point.
I know it’s not exactly the same thing, but if a catcher can receive 140 or so pitches in a game, why is it so hard to bunt? And if Ryan Dempster, a pitcher, can do it so successfully, why can’t the professional hitters?
by dr stabbingworth on Jun 4, 2009 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lack of focus...
i guess is the only thing you can draw to it.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
by HIGGY on Jun 4, 2009 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lack of PRACTICE
Maddux still practiced bunting EVERY day when he played sometimes for 30 minutes or more straight.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 4, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The bunt thing is seriously bugging me.
It’s a basic skill, they should all be able to do it.
Believe or Leave ~Cubswynn 9/9/2008
by slcathena on Jun 4, 2009 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they don't practice it enough.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 4, 2009 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wells put down a nice bunt on Tuesday.
But, unfortunately, he doesn’t play every day.
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 4, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He could bunt every day.
Just sayin’
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jun 4, 2009 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So,
Bring him in as a pinch-hitter and have him sac bunt? If he keeps laying down good bunts, it’s fine with me.
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 4, 2009 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As long as he doesn't try to leg 'em out...
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jun 4, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't
Lou use Dempster as a pinch hitter to lay down sac bunts last year?
"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg
by gwood on Jun 4, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
using a pitcher to pinch-bunt is fine...
As long as it’s in place of another pitcher. Using a position player to pinch-bunt for another position player is completely unacceptable and a waste of limited resources.
by SouthernCub on Jun 4, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless that player is going to stay in the game replacing the original one.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 4, 2009 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the time you reach the majors, though . . . .
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 4, 2009 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I was watching their warmups...
on that Wrigley live-stream camera that someone posted on here a while ago, I noticed that all the pitchers were practicing bunting for quite a while. And Wells actually seemed pretty good at them.
I didn’t notice any of the position players practicing it, but then again by that time I wasn’t really looking for it so I might have just missed it.
Anyway, just my 2 cents…(ie not worth much).
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 4, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ron Santo
made an observation on the radio last night about the bunting. He said that most of the players today when they are called upon to sacrifice bunt will try to do so for a hit. They try to bunt while beginning to run towards first and therefore are moving making the bunt a far more difficult thing to do. He emphatically pleaded with the bunters to stop trying to disguise it. Turn, get your feet set, and bunt the ball.
I couldn’t agree with him more. If you are being asked to sac bunt in a situation like that, your job is not to beat out the bunt to first. Your job is to successfully move the runner to second base. That is MUCH easier to do from a squared up and stationary position. Just bunt the damn ball and focus on getting your job done and done well.
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
by Archie on Jun 4, 2009 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very true observation.
Believe or Leave ~Cubswynn 9/9/2008
by slcathena on Jun 4, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Many players
On this team who bunt don’t wait for the pitcher to throw them a bunt-able pitch. They take their shot at a first-pitch ball at the letters or above, then pop out. That’s inexcusable at the big-league level.
by NWIowaCubFan on Jun 4, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
YES IT'S THE PRACTICE....
I played 15 yrs of fast pitch ball ..You did not go home on Mondays after practice until you got 5 good bunts down….( A coach stood a watched each one )
by cubs north on Jun 4, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Precisely.
Last night, I watched the championship game in the Diamond Classic at Olds Park in Lansing (DeWitt vs. Grand Ledge) and for goodness sake, these high school kids certainly could bunt.
So why isn’t the same attention to “team” paid in the majors? Oh, right. Multimillion dollar contracts aren’t built on “doing the little things” it takes to win as a team. It’s all about the “me”.
Too bad, because that’s the part of baseball that makes teams winners.
Oh, and for those interested, the Comets beat the Panthers 12-1.
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by Zeke on Jun 4, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, 2 BB...
The guy has quietly gotten back up to a respectable stat line (.262/.345/.443) after a truly horrendous April. And he’s hitting for adequate power. Since April, he’s had 10 extra-base hits in 75 AB (5 2B and 5 HR). That’s pretty solid.
I’m not going to project a 30 HR season or anything (thanks to that atrocious start to the season), but 20+ HR with 30 doubles seems reasonable.
by SouthernCub on Jun 4, 2009 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And that's the kind of season we should expect...
… from a player of his abilities and age. The 2005 season, an outlier, raised expectations for him. It was a career year, but his real level is what he did in 2007 and 2008.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 4, 2009 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The most important thing
Is that he has stepped up when Aramis went down and everybody else was struggling.
by dr stabbingworth on Jun 4, 2009 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's doing really well
it’s good to see.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 4, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al.........
Welcome aboard!! I agree he shouldn’t start, but Lou needs to get him in the lineup more often as situations dictate.
If you had to choose just one characteristic that would get you through life, choose a sense of humor.
by Clutche on Jun 4, 2009 8:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You think he picks that throw from Theriot in the 11th?
I like Hoffpauir. Very good hitter.
But since you go out of your way to be critical of Lee, you ought to be able to give him credit when it’s due.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 4, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even more than his hitting
Lee’s ability to dig Theriot’s crap throws out of the dirt make him special.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 4, 2009 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not only Theriot's
but Rami’s too.
"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg
by gwood on Jun 4, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad to see Lee step up and he did have a very good May..............
but a player of his age needs to be rested more often and Hoffpauir affords us the opportunity to do so.
If you had to choose just one characteristic that would get you through life, choose a sense of humor.
by Clutche on Jun 4, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, that's a reasonable statement
You were all over him for Tuesday’s error, and I thought it was a bit much. Glad that you can be a little more moderate.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 4, 2009 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Lee’s aggressive base running was outstanding. Anyone else notice how critical Brenley was of the Cubs baserunners not moving against Lowe?
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue." - George F. Will
by Slakkr on Jun 4, 2009 8:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Brenley has been critical in general
Not that I blame him. He seems to want to manage pretty bad now that he’s been away for a while.
by dr stabbingworth on Jun 4, 2009 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure if he still does
He seems content in the more secure job to me. Supposedly, he wasn’t that great of an interview for the Brewer job — maybe he doesn’t want to manage again.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 4, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
B.B. SEES MISTAKES BEING MADE.....
And yes he chimes right in…Hope someone but us listens to him….
by cubs north on Jun 4, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope he appreciates the irony
I seem to recall him not appreciating Mark Grace’s commentary on BB’s managing.
by dr stabbingworth on Jun 4, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are a very bad baserunning team
not scoring runs has been annoying, but making lots of stupid outs on the bases might annoy me more.
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
by Allie on Jun 4, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Paging Ryan Theriot
Ryan Theriot to the white Courtesy Phone, please.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jun 4, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
I just hope this incarnation of the team doesn’t throw him under the bus. I wouldn’t put it past them…
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jun 4, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm. Might we be referring to another Cubs broadcaster of semi-recent times?
Mr. Stone perhaps?
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by Zeke on Jun 4, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
With recent struggles and perceived and alleged strained chemistry in the clubhouse, I wouldn’t be surprised if somebody would explode at his critics.
I adore Brenley in the booth and would be very sad if he left because of strained relationships with team members.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jun 4, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really don't think
that this team is like that team.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 4, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
Pitt’s fire sales usually don’t start until July. I wonder if that franchise is in deep trouble.
by thermal54 on Jun 4, 2009 8:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think they gave McLouth away
But I’d be interested to hear what Josh thinks.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 4, 2009 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
they gave him away, either, but they had signed McLouth to a long-term contract. Shipping him out didn’t seem to make much sense to me.
by thermal54 on Jun 4, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They got
three of the Braves top ten prospects. Plus, the Bucs apparently have a centerfielder, McClutchen (I think) waiting in the wings to take McClouth’s spot.
"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg
by gwood on Jun 4, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, but...
… signing the guy to a longterm deal and dumping him four months later makes little sense unless you’re in financial trouble.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 4, 2009 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, I think they are being realists (in addition)
The Pirates front office knows that they suck and will continue to suck for years. Maybe in 2-3 years their pitching will have matured enough that they can compete.
Perhaps they knew locking Mclouth into a deal would make him more tradeable.
by dr stabbingworth on Jun 4, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the Post-Gazette story:
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09155/975012-63.stm
“We’re out to win a championship.” Bwah!! Maybe in hockey!
by thermal54 on Jun 4, 2009 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not in hockey THIS year fella! Go Wings!
Go Green! Go White! GO STATE!
King Leonidas: Spartans! What is your profession?
Spartans: HA-OOH! HA-OOH! HA-OOH!
by Zeke on Jun 4, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not Halloween yet!
Go Green! Go White! GO STATE!
King Leonidas: Spartans! What is your profession?
Spartans: HA-OOH! HA-OOH! HA-OOH!
by Zeke on Jun 4, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm. Apparently the Pens didn't get the memo that they were supposed to LOSE game 4.
Looks like we have a whole new ballgame hockey fans! With 2 of 3 in Motown, I like the Wings’ chances…
Go Green! Go White! GO STATE!
King Leonidas: Spartans! What is your profession?
Spartans: HA-OOH! HA-OOH! HA-OOH!
by Zeke on Jun 5, 2009 7:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and we are in bankruptcy
so I dont know if we are “financially” stable
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 4, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not an expert on the Braves system
but although they gave up three of their top ten prospects, they didn’t give up Tommy Hanson, Jason Heyward or Jordan Schafer, wo are their blue-chip prospects.
It reminds me a lot of the package we gave up for Rich Harden, actually. It’s not cheap, but not stuff that they really couldn’t replace.
by Josh77 on Jun 4, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They solved two problems
Offensive production in CF, and The Charlie Morton Problem. Morton is perhaps the very definition of a AAAA player – well, now he gets to play for a AAAA team.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jun 4, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems to be good deal for both sides
They knew they were going to dump McClouth sooner or later. McCutchen will come up and should be pretty good. At the very least, McCutchen will be a beter defender than McClouth was in center.
The Pirates got a couple decent prospects too. I’ve never been a fan of Gorkys, but he is an excellent defender and is hitting pretty well this year. Locke has struggled a bit, but has good stuff and should be a middle of the rotation guy down the road.
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by MJMars on Jun 4, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
McClouth did have a gold glove
"Manny Trillo is coming in to pinch run. You know, for a lot of teams, you would pinch run for Manny Trillo." - Harry Caray
by Archie on Jun 4, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not necessarily indicative of better defense
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 4, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
McLouth is an awful center fielder
-14.5 UZR last season, most undeserved Gold Glove ever.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 4, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rafael Palmeiro would like a word with you
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 4, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
They need to stop giving out Gold Gloves to people just because they are good hitters.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 4, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or take the voting away from coaches and managers
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 4, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
who should decide?
Certainly not people who think that UZR is evidence of much.
by ol Pete on Jun 4, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure, but surely not people who vote for a guy
who played about 20 games at a position.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 4, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adam Everrett should have 3
and Jeter 0
churchofbaseball.com
by MJMars on Jun 4, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If someone
could please explain to me our sequence of pinch hitters in the 9th, I would appreciate it.
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue." - George F. Will
by Slakkr on Jun 4, 2009 8:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lou had a list of names
and just picked them randomly.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 4, 2009 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That seems
about right.
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue." - George F. Will
by Slakkr on Jun 4, 2009 8:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Reply is your friend
:)
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 4, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
...and Mr. Rogers is your "neighbor"... :)
Go Green! Go White! GO STATE!
King Leonidas: Spartans! What is your profession?
Spartans: HA-OOH! HA-OOH! HA-OOH!
by Zeke on Jun 4, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Won't you be my neighbor?
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 4, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So I sez to the guy next to me...
“Man, Chipper’s playing way too off the bag. Micah’s a good slap-hitter.”
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jun 4, 2009 8:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good call
Lot’s of hand-wringing last night, huh?
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jun 4, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You could say that
You could also say that I live in the Northern Hemisphere. It’s tough when you like both teams playing in the game. ’Course, I was wearing my Cubs cap.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jun 4, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+11
Bring on Sanchez
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Jun 4, 2009 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To play where?
He’s only played SS once in the last two years, and 55 times since he became a major leaguer. He has been a 2B almost exclusively.
I know the guy can hit, but we are a team stocked with 2B options and I don’t see how another really helps.
by dr stabbingworth on Jun 4, 2009 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'd play 2B...
and he’d be a huge upgrade. And when/if Ramirez returns, Fontenot goes to the sub role strengthening the bench.
The benefit of getting a guy like Sanchez is clear. The problem is that it may be cost-prohibitive.
by SouthernCub on Jun 4, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It will be interesting
to see what the Cubs do w/ Miles once his DL stint expires.
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue." - George F. Will
by Slakkr on Jun 4, 2009 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully release him
I never understood that signing anyway.
by Cubs and Hawks fan on Jun 4, 2009 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 4, 2009 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
YES.....
Purchase him a ticket fast to get him out of town,,,,,
by cubs north on Jun 4, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see them eating that contract
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 4, 2009 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What is the amount of the contract?
by Cubs and Hawks fan on Jun 4, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
$5 M over 2 yrs, IIRC
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 4, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe something can be worked out
where the Cubs pay part of his salary if they release/trade him
by Cubs and Hawks fan on Jun 4, 2009 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The players' union would never allow that if they release him
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 4, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps, then, they can eat up SOME of the contract
if they can trade him
by Cubs and Hawks fan on Jun 4, 2009 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe, but --
Who would want him?
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 4, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the kicker there
I haven’t a clue
by Cubs and Hawks fan on Jun 4, 2009 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Yankees?
They need a backup for Jeter. And they can afford him
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
by Musicdude10 on Jun 4, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you could get the Yankees to take Aaron Miles...
… I would personally give you a medal.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 4, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if we mention...
that he’s scrappy?
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 4, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Yankees are into scrappiness....
… maybe we can convince them that he’s really David Eckstein in disguise.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 4, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
keep him there
Forever
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 4, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Miles? Miles? Is he still on the team?
Go Green! Go White! GO STATE!
King Leonidas: Spartans! What is your profession?
Spartans: HA-OOH! HA-OOH! HA-OOH!
by Zeke on Jun 4, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, he would be a huge upgrade, but
2B is pretty far down the list of concerns. We have limited resources and the bullpen, although better, is not great.
Jim Hendry just traded away our 2B this last offseason. I just don’t think he’d be looking for another one.
by dr stabbingworth on Jun 4, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez can also play 3B.
That’s where I’d use him till Ramirez comes back.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 4, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jim Hendry loves 2nd basemen.....he collects them like old coins
……the only problem with Freddie is he isnt left handed!
by JB 23 on Jun 4, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TEH HORROR!!!!
Opposing teams may have to face two righties in a row!
by dr stabbingworth on Jun 4, 2009 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that allowed?
I’m gonna check the rulebook.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jun 4, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He plays a very adequate 3B
And I think moving Fontenot back to 2B would make him more comfortable and maybe start hitting better
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
by Musicdude10 on Jun 4, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd only work
if we sent some of our 2B options over in a trade. Miles would be a good fit for Pittsburgh…
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
by Allie on Jun 4, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm curious,
Who would we trade to Pittsburgh for Sanchez?
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 4, 2009 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's Pittsburgh
A bag of balls and Al Albuquerque should do it.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jun 4, 2009 8:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In other words...
Miles, Scales, and Blanco should do it
"Chicago Cubs fans are ninety percent scar tissue." - George F. Will
by Slakkr on Jun 4, 2009 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd really rather keep Blanco
Love his glove… and if the “big boys” ever warm up we could live with his offense.
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
by Allie on Jun 4, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The GM that made those trades now works for the Cubs
Sorry, not going to happen.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 4, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We can always hire this GM too
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 4, 2009 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't he always?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jun 4, 2009 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Touche
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 4, 2009 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neal Huntington
Will be much better for the Pirates org.
churchofbaseball.com
by MJMars on Jun 4, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably not
Since they just pried 3 top prospects from Atlanta for their other star, I doubt it.
by dr stabbingworth on Jun 4, 2009 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You forgot the first R
It’s Al Alburquerque, which is as good a reason as any to trade him. No one can spell it.
by Josh77 on Jun 4, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True.
Let the hacks at the Post-Gazette confound their spellcheckers, instead.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jun 4, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would, but
the Cubs don’t have the pieces they’d want or, it’d cost too much.
I sincerely doubt they’d take Miles/Scales/Blanco+a semi-decent pitcher and Heilman as a giveaway.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jun 4, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+100
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 4, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How can the Cubs add significant salary at this point?
Sanchez is making $6.25 mil this year. The Cubs would presumably have to pick up the entire remainder of that.
With the sale of the team up in the air, and all of the money moving moves Hendry had to make this off-season to add Bradley, how will they be allowed to add more?
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
by SackMan on Jun 4, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez
is only making $4 this year and $6.1 next year with an $8 mil option for 2010
"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg
by gwood on Jun 4, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correction
he is making $6.1 this year (forgot it was 2009 momentarily)
"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg
by gwood on Jun 4, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, but almost 1/3 of the season is gone.
That makes the remaining exposure about $4 million (plus a buyout for next year). I’d do it.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 4, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would too
if we had the prospects/players to make it happen
"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg
by gwood on Jun 4, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is why the Vizcaino dump was a head scratcher...
They just absorbed that money… didn’t they? And money is a bigger issue now, then it used to be.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
by SackMan on Jun 4, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but will Zell sign off on it
that is more money spent by an ownership ion bankruptcy. He has to be looking (IMO) at what will make him money, and the salary being lower is that. He knows that the Cubs tickets will sell, and doesnt matter who is at 3B, it could be any member of BCB for all he cares since the ticket sales are not going to decline.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 4, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zell and Ricketts
would both have to sign off on it at this point.
by Josh77 on Jun 4, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember 2010 being a major sticking point in the Peavy negotiations
I don’t see how the Cubs can take on Sanchez’s salary, pay raises to our youngsters, and additions this club will need to make after the season.
by dr stabbingworth on Jun 4, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually that's a good point as well...
How would getting Sanchez impact our pending move for Peavy :-p
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 4, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would preclude
our acquisition of Roberts entirely.
"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg
by gwood on Jun 4, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But what about post-season revenue?
Don’t get me wrong – I don’t see the team getting Sanchez, and I think money will have a lot to do with it. So let me caveat there.
But it’s not as simple as saying “tickets will sell.” You also have to consider the potential for postseason ticket sales (which will pay better than regular season tickets) and merchandise revenue that would come if the team improves and can make the playoffs.
by SouthernCub on Jun 4, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The postseason is a MLB event.
I’m not sure the Cubs get anything from that.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 4, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The individual team's get a good portion of the money...
40% of the “required game” revenue (i.e., the first three games in a 5-game series or the first 4 games in a 7-game series) goes to the team (the other 60% goes to the players. Any money from games hosted after the required games goes entirely to the team.
by SouthernCub on Jun 4, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks.
I was not aware of how the split went.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 4, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
does that guarantee
revenue > expenses
I will not say it does, until I see the numbers proving that. Since most owners of a sports team does not make theie money on the team, they usually make their money elsewhere and the team is a “Hobby”
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 4, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are ignoring merchandise revenue...
and the potential to raise ticket prices next year.
I feel pretty confident in saying that making the playoffs makes you money – assuming you have a loyal fanbase that will attend games (which we do).
by SouthernCub on Jun 4, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
which does Zell how much good?
if the sale is expected tobe done before next season? Also, you continue to miss the fact that Zell is not 100% in charge of this, nor is Ricketts, the Bankruptcy Court still gets to drill Zell for moves that basically equate to throwing money away, when he cannot pay creditors.
Merch sales, how are those split? What about the overhead that each game costs them as well.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 4, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know the specifics...
but I’m betting they still make good money. Merchandise still benefits Zell, as it would happen this year.
Teams make about $1 million per playoff game hosted according to the site I posted. I’m guessing that overhead doesn’t exceed that. And that’s ignoring the merchandise.
by SouthernCub on Jun 4, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley is off the books after next year
There’s no way we keep him. Cubs fans will have Hendry’s head
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
by Musicdude10 on Jun 4, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll bet you a dollar.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 4, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I wonder what the threshold is to make 2011 guaranteed...
Does someone know what the games played (or plate appearances) minimum is for the $12 million in 2011 to be guaranteed?
by SouthernCub on Jun 4, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley's Contract
- 2 years/$20M (2009-10), plus 2011 option
* signed by Chicago Cubs as a free agent 1/6/09
* $4M signing bonus
* 09:$5M, 10:$9M, 11:$12M option
* 2011 may become $12M club option with $2M buyout based on Bradley’s health
* 2011 option vests with 75 games played in 2009
Info from Cot’s Baseball Contracts
"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg
by gwood on Jun 4, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's already played in 39 games this season
and there’s 110+ games left to go. He’ll make his 75, easy. I still think he plays over 100.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 4, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he's pretty certain to meet that threshold...
I agree he’ll be playing for the Cubs in 2011.
P.S. – Thanks gwood.
by SouthernCub on Jun 4, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
barring injury.
ba-bum, tsss.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 4, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Real Nice win
This doesn’t make us anything more than a .500 team, but its nice to see some things come together.
Just when Lee seemed to hit rock bottom, he has turned back to being a solid reliable hitter. Marmol still needs to get his stuff together, but last night was more like the Carlos we all know.
The real nice thing is Angel Guzman, who has become our stud relief pitcher.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 4, 2009 8:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Um, yeah, getting Sanchez would be great!
We are stockpiled at 2nd base, but none of the guys we do have is as good as Sanchez. Offer them Heilman and Fontenot/Scales/Blanco.
by Cubs and Hawks fan on Jun 4, 2009 9:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I think that's too little
Heilman+Blanco+Waddell+[some other name]=Sanchez. I don’t think Pittsburgh’s brass is quite that shortsighted though.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jun 4, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's just not going to happen
Pittsburgh wants somebody who actually has a chance of being productive.
by Poloplaya14 on Jun 4, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
More likely..
… the Pirates would be interested in some of our lower minor leaguers who actually have the chance to be good, rather than our table scraps.
You could start with Steve Clevenger. Maybe Clevenger/Archer would do it.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 4, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh no.
Archer was a great acquisition, please Jim, don’t ship him out.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jun 4, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think that's worth it
Sanchez isn’t that good. He’s been hot this year, but over his career, I see a guy with an average OBP and limited power. He’s not worth 6 million AND 2 decent prospects.
by Poloplaya14 on Jun 4, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al, if SB Nation is going to...
Automatically include links to player pages, can you tell them to make sure the pages are actually current?
Lilly’s numbers are from three starts ago.
by kanderber on Jun 4, 2009 9:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Two starts ago, actually.
Last night was his 11th start. But I’ll pass the word along.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 4, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Slightly OT
Is there a central database of stats that all websites like SBNation or ESPN or CBS Sportsline access? As an aspiring information architect, I’d love to see how they handle things like this.
by dr stabbingworth on Jun 4, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All I know is...
… SBN gets stats from a “data provider”. I don’t know the process or the source.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 4, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a magic talking Hamster
with an abacus.
by Josh77 on Jun 4, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A Wonder Hamster?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 4, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, great W
I don’t know the exact number but I believe the CUbs have only won a few games while scoring 3 runs or less. Hopefully this game will be one of many. Good teams win the close and low scoring games and I think the Cubs are good enough to win at least half of the games where they score 4 or 3 or less runs.
by Cubs and Hawks fan on Jun 4, 2009 9:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Won with <4 runs
and with a error.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jun 4, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lilly...
He’s not getting enough credit. His ERA is now 3.28, and his WHIP is 1.079.
by kanderber on Jun 4, 2009 9:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
when he gets his Cy Young award this year
That will be reward enough.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 4, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately...
I don’t think the Cubs’ offense will comply with that quest.
by kanderber on Jun 4, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sadly they won't
This should be his 20 win season.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 4, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's still early...
…if the Cubs can start putting up more runs in games, Lilly could win 20 games.
Is it Leiber who was the last starting pitcher for the Cubs to win 20 games?
by Cubs and Hawks fan on Jun 4, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup.
Probably his career year, too.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jun 4, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Goodness!! When was that?
2001 or 2002?? It’s definitely time for a Cubs pitcher to get 20 W’s in one season. Seems like it’s been a decade since it’s happened.
by Cubs and Hawks fan on Jun 4, 2009 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2001
Remember, though, 20 game winners aren’t as common as they used to be, with 5 man rotations from the opening of the season and more specialized bullpens.
Yeah, I know it still happens. Would like to see Ted get 20.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 4, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lots of luck involved
Look at Randy Wells. Not a win to show for it. Lieber’s numbers weren’t even that spectacular in 2001. Or, I wouldn’t have guessed he would get 20 wins if you showed me those numbers.
Too bad the voting for Cy Young is done with crap stats like ERA and, even worse, Wins.
by dr stabbingworth on Jun 4, 2009 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
And it’ll take a long time before the voting changes. Sometimes saves get it; that’s worse.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 4, 2009 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why 20 wins shouldn't be the holy grail of measurment for the Cy Young award
But… alas, they are.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
by SackMan on Jun 4, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dempster shouldve gotten it last year
by Poloplaya14 on Jun 4, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Over Lincecum?
No. Santana over Lincecum could maybe be argued, but I don’t think Dempster’s year was better than either of theirs.
There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons
by Allie on Jun 4, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Dempster just didn’t match up. Santana and Lincecum were better in so many categories. They outperformed Dempster in IP, ERA, WHIP, K/BB, and quality start %. Heck, Lincecum even got more wins despite playing for an inferior team.
You could argue that Santana got robbed by a bad bullpen (his numbers were comparable to or better than Lincecum’s everywhere but Ks), but not Dempster.
by SouthernCub on Jun 4, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't mean Cy Young
I meant he should’ve gotten 20 wins. He pitched well enough.
by Poloplaya14 on Jun 4, 2009 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2001
He was 20-6 with a 3.80 ERA and a 1.149 WHIP.
by dr stabbingworth on Jun 4, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cy Young would have been lucky to earn one Ted Lilly award…
"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett
by The Ryno and I Know on Jun 4, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have uncovered my main motivation for wanting Ted to win the Cy Young
I can forever call it the Ted Lilly Award.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 4, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The "THEODORE ROOSEVELT LILLY" award...
…you need all three names for the FULL effect.
Go Green! Go White! GO STATE!
King Leonidas: Spartans! What is your profession?
Spartans: HA-OOH! HA-OOH! HA-OOH!
by Zeke on Jun 4, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the TRL Award
does it come with a guaranteed lieftime of awesomeness?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 4, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is made entirely
Of win and awesome.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jun 4, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Would you give him a musket or something along those lines as an award? Teddy Roosevelt loved hunting and being out in the wild
"If I were playing third base and my mother were rounding third with the run that was going to beat us, I'd trip her. Oh, I'd pick her up and brush her off and say, 'Sorry, Mom,' but nobody beats me." ~ Leo Durocher
by Musicdude10 on Jun 4, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
tobring the Musket and Wild together
the trophy will be of Mitch Williams hunting.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 4, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
He had some sick stuff last night. Couple of real knee-bucklers for Ks
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jun 4, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He rights the ship a lot, too
Or seems to. A good outing when it was really needed after Tuesday’s game.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 4, 2009 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
25-11 after Cubs losses in his career I think
Thats not too bad. I think that is the team record.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 4, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you saying Lilly's record after a Cubs loss is 25-11?
by Cubs and Hawks fan on Jun 4, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've confused myself
I think that is the Cubs team record not Ted’s.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jun 4, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ted Lilly has been rock solid three years running
You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little messed up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?
by BLou on Jun 4, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Hoffpauir bandwagon
was largely based on him being the STARTING 1B…. over Derrek Lee, whom without last night we wouldn’t have scored at all….
I think Hoff is in a nice spot the way he’s being utilized now, but lets not confuse that with what the Hoff bandwagon around here really was….
it was not only in support of Hoff, but rallying against DLEE
thus if you’re on THAT bandwagon, you’re jumping aboard one that was saying HOFF NEEDS TO START
by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 4, 2009 9:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No, I'm on the bandwagon that says...
…. Hoffpauir is a useful player for the role he’s been given, which is part-time 1B/OF and PH. I wasn’t even sure he could do THAT before this season started.
Hope that makes more sense.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 4, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
basically
the jury was out in your eyes, and so far it has worked. now the questions is will it continue thru the season or will it slowly diminish
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 4, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and i think that's what "the other side"
of the bandwagon was saying
the people on the bandwagon seem to overstate the demise of DLee in favor of Hoff, while most were simply saying Hoff has a place on the squad, but not as an everyday player
by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 4, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He should've been in Daryle Ward's role last year
Ward was getting older, fatter, and more injured… and had his worst career year last season.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Jun 4, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ward had a bad year, true.
But he did win a game with a walkoff, and also drew a ton of pinch-walks.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 4, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He did... but, he was clearly in rapid decline.
As evidenced by his poor, poor season, and the fact that he’s not on a major league roster right now.
The big Hoff would’ve likely been a much better contributor in Ward’s role.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Jun 4, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
except Hoff was given more than once chance to come through in that position
and didn’t. That’s the reason I DIDN’T want him this year, was his performance with the bigs as a pinch hitter last year. That four HR game with the mets doesn’t count — he was in the starting lineup.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 4, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two HR game vs. the Mets.
His four-HR game was with Iowa.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 4, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry.
but the point stands…
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 4, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I agree with your point.
Just nitpicking.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 4, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see it
His numbers last year in the bigs included a .357 average (or thereabouts, I didn’t look it up). From that I’m sure, he failed more than a few times — 64.3% of the time to be exact. He also came through more often than could be expected.
There are reasons to be skeptical of Hoff. Poor performance in his call-up is not among them.
by Orval Overall on Jun 4, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
those numbers
include when he was batting as a starter. My concern about him was AS A PINCH HITTER.
As a pinch hitter, he was NOT GOOD last year.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 4, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe, but I count him going 4/14 as a PH
which is a .285 average. See for yourself:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?n1=hoffpmi01&t=b&year=2008
I suppose you could dig into game logs and point out particular failures that were bothersome, but even on a small sample I don’t count 4/14 as a failure for a guy who was coming in cold.
by Orval Overall on Jun 4, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just remember him
failing in key situations.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 4, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course you do...
Players fail 60% of the time. Pinch hitters are expected to fail probably 70% of the time. So the vast majority of your memories of his pinch hitting should be failures.
by SouthernCub on Jun 4, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not clutch players. or players who try hard.
they only fail when it doesn’t matter.
by Orval Overall on Jun 4, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure
but it was the key situations that stand out. Games when we were behind, with a runner on. Of course, that’s when you put your pinch hitter in.
It doesn’t matter anyway — he’s figured it out for this year, and he’s helping, and as long as people recognize that he’s not going to start over Lee, it’s all good.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 4, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Daryle Ward batted a whopping .216 last year
The guy didn’t even hit his weight.
It’s hard to convince anyone, that Hoff wouldn’t have done a better job.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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by SackMan on Jun 4, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
last year
It felt to me that Micah Hoffpauir would do a worse job.
Obviously, he’s proved me wrong. I’m ok with that.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 4, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
But Ward did have a .319 OBP. So he was more valuable than his BA would indicate. Plus, Hoff looked really bad in most of his pinch hit at-bats prior to this year, as I recall.
Based on those at-bats and Ward’s OBP, I was not certain that Hoff could do better than Ward. I am very happy to have been wrong about that.
"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg
by gwood on Jun 4, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you're on board with me
because that’s what I’ve always said about him—or at least, since last season. Before that I said he was headed for Japan.
Micah Hoffpauir is simply not a starting first baseman for a team planning to win more than 65 games.
by Josh77 on Jun 4, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now this I will quibble with.
I don’t want him to start either, because for him to do so it means our current 1B (a player I happen to like very much) would have failed or gotten injured. And I think the team as currently constructed is probably a 90 win team. What in Hoff’s current performance has shown you that the difference between him and Lee — changing nothing else — would cost us 25 games? (Or insert the difference between where you think they are with Lee and where they would be with Hoff)
I respect your depth of knowledge about the minor league system and its players. I can’t come close to competing with you on that. But I just think that’s a ridiculous statement, borne out of some sense that unless he fits your archetype of a hot minor league prospect, he can’t possibly help you win games at the mlb level, even when he is doing just that.
by Orval Overall on Jun 4, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Apologies
You’re taking a flippant comment a little too literally. I don’t believe Lee is 25 games better than Micah Hoffpauir. That would be silly.
I believe that most pennant winning teams have strong offensive first basemen. Certainly there are exceptions, usually in the American league where they often put that first baseman at DH and get a good glove at first—Scott Speizio comes to mind here. But Hoffpauir isn’t a good glove at first, either.
So yes, technically you could win a pennant with Hoffpaiur at first. But it would be a whole heck of a lot tougher.
by Josh77 on Jun 4, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh.
This is completely untrue.
Al, welcome aboard, glad to have you.
by Orval Overall on Jun 4, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, no, it wasn't.
The Hoffpauir bandwagon was never about him starting at 1B over DLee. I think I’ve read 87 or more comments just like this one since Hoff started doing well, and each time the summary of what the “Hoffpauir” bandwagon was about has been completely wrong. The number of people who ever said they thought Hoff should start at 1B over Lee, or that Lee should be demoted/released/traded, etc., could be counted on Mordecai Brown’s right hand. Its simply not what the “bandwagon” was about, no matter how many times people who WEREN’T on the bandwagon insist that it was.
I think Al has it right in his description of that bandwagon, but to summarize from the perspective of someone who was on it a little earlier, there were four basic, and (at the time) shockingly controversial points: (1) He can really, really hit at the mlb level; (2) His defense is acceptable, not nearly as bad as advertised, and worth enduring to have his bat in the lineup; (3) He has earned a roster spot; (4) the team would benefit from him getting enough bats to have an impact, including periodic starts in the OF or spelling Lee at 1B. That’s it.
Those points seem obviously true today, but but at the time there were very critical responses. A lot of people responded as you are doing now, mischaracterizing the argument as an “either/or” choice between Hoff and Lee, suggesting that to support Hoff meant to cheer for (or predict) Lee’s imminent demise as a useful player. That was a canard at the time, and it remains one today. But even among the people who accepted what the pro-Hoff crowd was asking for, there was still a lot of push back on each of those 4 points, which boiled down to: (1) over his career in the minors he was a poor hitter, and he is “projected” by rating agencies to be mediocre to poor over an extended mlb stay, so expectations that he will hit .300 or have any power are misguided; (2) His defense will cost us games, a lot of them, meaning there’s no reason to take a chance on this mediocre prospect; (3) MAYBE he would have earned a roster spot in a different year, but the way Hendry constructed this team, a one dimensional “all bat no glove” guy like Hoff is a luxury we can’t afford; and (4) since he can’t play OF without costing us the game in the field, every start you give him will come at the expense of Lee, and there’s no way you can tell me we’re better off with that ever happening.
Don’t believe me? Go back and read the Spring Training threads. These were our arguments, those were the responses.
by Orval Overall on Jun 4, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Career minor-leaguer!"
“29 year old rookie!”
Happy to say my skepticism was misplaced. Guy’s doing the job.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jun 4, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The reason I wasn't on the "bandwagon" before now is...
… and, to go through your four points:
1) I knew this.
2) I wasn’t convinced of this, particularly in the OF, where he had little experience.
3) Granted
4) I wasn’t convinced he could handle the outfield.
He has won me over on all four points. He has turned into a fine major league bench player. Kudos to him.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 4, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
now he just needs more walks
only 86 more to go
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 4, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What sauce goes best with scorecard?
Or was that a different bet?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jun 4, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty sure that one was about
Gathright and him hitting a leadoff HR
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by jkobus on Jun 4, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm all for Micah Hoffpauir
being the Daryle Ward replacement. He’s a bat off the bench, and someone who can adequately back up Lee at first. He should NOT start over Lee, and he should NOT spend much time in the outfield.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 4, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soooo happy we got the W last night
I didn’t quite understand pitching to Chipper last night, but whatever. They still won.
And, after this start by Lilly, and looking past Marshall’s last start, this starting pitching rotation is really, really good. It’s nice to not even care that Harden isn’t starting right now when Wells has awesome stuff, Lilly has awesome stuff, Marshall is usually pretty consistent, Z is Z, and Dempster seems to have righted his ship as well.
by Craig in South Bend on Jun 4, 2009 9:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I wondered about that too...
…did they forget the previous night’s 12th inning?
by sniffy the bee on Jun 4, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to . . .
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 4, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's turn to our good friend Bender for some advice
Reality is what you make of it.
by dr stabbingworth on Jun 4, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was a cool intro
but I’m afraid I must say “Simpsons did it”!
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jun 4, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What the heck was that rocket eating? Yikes!
Go Green! Go White! GO STATE!
King Leonidas: Spartans! What is your profession?
Spartans: HA-OOH! HA-OOH! HA-OOH!
by Zeke on Jun 4, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just hope
that Z understands we need a long outing out of him today and that he should pitch to contact.
"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg
by gwood on Jun 4, 2009 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wells doesn't have awesome stuff...
He has marginal stuff – on stuff alone, he probably shouldn’t be in the majors. But he’s fearless and has pitched smart, and thus has had good results (just bad fortune with the wins). Stuffwise, he’s low man on the totem pole with this rotation.
I’d also hold off on the “Dempster has righted his ship” statement. One good start following four mediocre starts isn’t strong evidence. Hopefully he has, but I’m still waiting to see some consistent good performances from him before I’m convinced.
That said, I’m pretty happy with the rotation assuming Harden returns to form. It should remain a solid to strong part of this team. And if Dempster, Harden and Zthat’s still a big “if” though.
by SouthernCub on Jun 4, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wells
The kid keeps the ball down and has a hard sinker and a slider that he doesn’t locate particularly well. That was a Maddux-esque performance the other night. I’m not saying he’s Maddux, but the kid has certainly pitched like a very good big leaguer. And that sinker will play very well in Wrigley.
by dr stabbingworth on Jun 4, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with the first and last sentence but not so much with the rest...
Wells definitely didn’t keep the ball down in his last start. The majority of his outs came on fly balls. I’d say that his start last only resembled Maddux in terms of the pitch count.
But my previous post was merely commenting on the statement that Wells has “awesome stuff.” His stuff is not awesome, it’s mediocre. His approach has been awesome to this point though, which is why he’s had such great results.
by SouthernCub on Jun 4, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Z has great "stuff"...
But his approach can be awful at times, therefore he struggles out there. I’ll take a good approach and knowing how to pitch over great stuff anyday, because you can’t take that away.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 4, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed...
Again – I was merely commenting on the incorrectness of the statement that Wells has “awesome stuff.” I’m very pleased with his performance so far.
by SouthernCub on Jun 4, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course
stuff-wise, Jamie Moyer shouldn’t have be in the majors the past decade, and Greg Maddux should have retired when he was about 34 too.
by Josh77 on Jun 4, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree on Moyer, disagree on Maddux...
Maddux’s stuff was better than people think. He didn’t throw hard, but he was able to get phenomenal movement on his pitches. He ALSO had tremendous command and knew how to pitch. But you don’t win 350 games and dominate the way he did without having tremendous stuff.
by SouthernCub on Jun 4, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maddux' "stuff" wasn't that great.
His COMMAND and CONTROL was what got him the 350+ wins.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 4, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maddux had great stuff
when he was younger. He didn’t have great stuff by the time he reached his mid 30s, which is why I wrote “after 34.” But he still won a ton of games after that point because he was so intelligent a pitcher.
by Josh77 on Jun 4, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing indicates he won't
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jun 4, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes,
Zambrano vs. Jair Jurrjens tonight.
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 4, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big matchup...
Hopefully Z can step up and get the win and we can win the series.
by SouthernCub on Jun 4, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Freddy Sanchez would look real good as everyday 2nd baseman batting # 2 in the lineup
He would solve a critical need on this team if this team still wants to pretend it can compete for World Series crown and isn’t really a .500 style ballclub like I believe it is.
You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little messed up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?
by BLou on Jun 4, 2009 9:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He would look pretty good at second
but, realistically speaking, do we have the prospect necessary to acquire him and what would it take to get him?
We’d have to somehow get rid of Miles and his contract for this to even be a possibility though, IMO.
Sanchez is reasonably priced at just under $4 mil this year, $6 next, with an $8 mil option for 2010 (600K buyout).
"Respect" ~ Ryne Sandberg
by gwood on Jun 4, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think your years are off...
It’s 2009. He’s making $6.1 million this year, with an $8 million option next year.
by SouthernCub on Jun 4, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes...
We’d have to pick up the remainder of his $6.25 mil this year.
And, as I’ve opined before… I’m not sure the Cubs are in a position to add salary right now with the team sale scenario.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
by SackMan on Jun 4, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
I can see picking up a dumpster dive guy like Betemit, but I can’t see the team being able to afford to pay for a guy like Sanchez.
by SouthernCub on Jun 4, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We have to find a trading partner who is willing to swap salaries.
Say… Miles + another player, for a salary in return.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.
by SackMan on Jun 4, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love to have Sanchez.
I don’t think it’s at all realistic though.
by kanderber on Jun 4, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're probably right...
DeRosa would probably make more sense financially (no emotions involved) just because of the smaller salary and expiring contract.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jun 4, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez's contract is also expiring...
it’s just that he costs about $1 million more. The 2010 portion of Sanchez’s contract is a team option with a $600k buyout. So he’s basically a $6.8 million player this year (or about $4.7 million left to pay). DeRosa’s contract is $5.5 million this year, or about $3.8 million left.
by SouthernCub on Jun 4, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Cubs could afford either...
… I’d take Sanchez, as he is younger than DeRosa, and possibly worth keeping — you could renegotiate the buyout and give him an extension if you want to keep him.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 4, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
If the Cubs could afford Sanchez, I’d love to have him. I’m just skeptical that the Cubs can afford him.
But the infield would look fantastic with him in the lineup once Ramirez returned.
I just don’t see the salary (or prospects) being affordable.
by SouthernCub on Jun 4, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
move
I’d like to see Blanco play ss for awhile, as he can actually play the position defensively. Since it appears Fontenot is playing 3rd for time being, have Theriot move to 2nd. What do you all think?
"It's a funny old world. Man's lucky if he gets out of it alive." W.C. Fields
by KedzieKid on Jun 4, 2009 10:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I've been impressed with his range this year
Seems to me that he is getting to many more balls. I know having lee at first helps some errant throws, but thats part of the job
Albert Pujols for Cubs Starting 1B in 2011
by heine41 on Jun 4, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sold!
I’d take that in a heartbeat, given the make-up of this team. Scales can spell Fonty at 3B, as need be.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jun 4, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blanco is doubtful to be able to hit .175 in this league
You can’t have an automatic out in the lineup. Especially this offense.
You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little messed up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?
by BLou on Jun 4, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless we get Betemit, we're going to have a likely automatic out...
Because either Scales or Blanco will have to play. So assuming that Blanco plays, it would seem that he should play SS and Theriot should play 2B, based on defensive abilities.
by SouthernCub on Jun 4, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
So much hinges on Ramirez pushing the mediocre players back to the bench and/or AAA.
by dr stabbingworth on Jun 4, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that would be fine
but I can’t imagine Lou doing it.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 4, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really good assessment on the Sanchez potential acquistion
Also like the Rosenbloom, “your table is ready” comment on Micah.
Sweet Lou for Mayor in '11.