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Glavine: I can still pitch


 Tom Glavine says he still believes he can be an effective major league pitcher despite the Atlanta Braves' contention that his rehab was a failure.

Glavine said Friday that "a couple" of teams have expressed interest in him as a pitcher and others have called about consulting or other jobs. He wouldn't name the teams but said "it's going to take a lot" to convince him to pitch for another team.

Glavine, speaking in depth for the first time since he was released by the Braves on Wednesday, said he was incredulous when told by general manager Frank Wren, "You're not good enough to get guys out."

I, actually, would like to see the Cubs take a flyer on him. Maybe put him in the bullpen. His contract is rather small (1 year, 1 million) not that it's an issue. I guess we will just have to see how this plays out. 

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"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 5, 2009 3:06 PM CDT reply actions  

Nope.

Glavine can not pitch anymore contrary to his beliefs.

by lexmarklover on Jun 5, 2009 3:14 PM CDT reply actions  

I actually think

he could a decent back-of-the-rotation starter for some team. We don’t need one of those though, and I bet he’d rather retire than pitch in the pen.

by Poloplaya14 on Jun 5, 2009 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't be surprised

if the Nats took a flyer.

I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.

by drewishdrewid on Jun 5, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love you Tom Glavine, but no you can still not pitch

The arm is a mess and your effectiveness went bye-bye last year. You’ve had a great Hall of Fame career. A World Series Championship, all those divisional titles in Atlanta, 2 Cy Youngs, 5 times a 20 game winner, 305 career victories….time to fade off into the sunset and wait for the induction ceremony in Cooperstown. Randy Johnson and you should be going in at the same time.

You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little messed up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?

by BLou on Jun 5, 2009 3:28 PM CDT reply actions  

I can pitch too

but that doesn’t mean I am ML caliber. Hey, so I guess that makes me equal to Glavine!

I'm a lefty, maybe Lou should give me a shot for a position in the bullpen!!

by Chanman25 on Jun 5, 2009 3:47 PM CDT reply actions  

Maybe he's referring to his advertising and marketing abilities

Perhaps he can come up with a new billboard, something other than the “C’Mon!” ones anyway.

by Craig in South Bend on Jun 5, 2009 3:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Last thing we need is starting pitching.

"Live and be happy, beloved children of my heart, and never forget that until the day comes when God will deign to reveal the future to man, all human wisdom is contained in these words: wait and hope!" - The Count of Monte Cristo

by Bricks and Ivy on Jun 5, 2009 4:02 PM CDT reply actions  

I think he can still pitch, but still don't want him..

Too much tinikering with the team, and the chemistry on the team – we have to start working with the guys we have on the 40 man roster to solidify this corps of people.

But I can’t agree that Glavine can’t pitch. Tom Glavine can most definitely pitch effectively in the ML level. He was dinged up last year, but had a nice A-ball start (6 scoreless) and looked ready to go. Too bad he can’t stay in ATL with his family if he wants to continue to play, and I think the Braves were pretty disingenuous with him.

by DisCUBbobulated on Jun 5, 2009 4:09 PM CDT reply actions  

So he can get A-ball hitters out.

Great. Let him pitch there.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 5, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

He'll be a decent option...

 for many teams looking for a decent draw. The Nats and Pirates come to mind, and there is still a chance someone takes a flyer for him as a reliever/#5.

Free Ronny Cedeno

by Kansas25 on Jun 5, 2009 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bill Clinton:

“I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss. Lewinsky.”

We all tell white lies from time to time. Have a good retirement, Tom.

by lswaidz on Jun 5, 2009 4:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Bob Ryan on Around the Horn nailed it Thursday

He said that someone who can hit in Class A will generally be able to hit in the bigs.

But effective pitching in Class A is absolutely no barometer of pitching in the bigs.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jun 5, 2009 4:27 PM CDT reply actions  

I like Glavine. But although he's

a class act and a classy guy, I think he’s all but done.

I initially thought maybe the Cubs ought to explore a signing, hoping maybe ala Jimmy Ballgame lightning might strike twice. Who knows, with the insanity of the past few weeks, you never know.

But I don’t think so in Tom’s case. The gamer in him wants to keep going .. but I don’t know if there’s much else in the tank, though.

I’m just glad I was there to watch him pitch against the Cubs a year ago and to watch them have his lunch. I think that’s probably the last time we’ll probably see him in the majors.

Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!

by cubnational on Jun 5, 2009 4:37 PM CDT reply actions  

Eh, just an idea.

The bullpen needs help. Just an idea to give ‘em some help, that’s all.

Chicago Cubs > Milwaukee Brewers

by CUBSfaninYANKEEcountry on Jun 5, 2009 4:46 PM CDT reply actions  

He may not want to pitch out of the bullpen.

Has he ever?

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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 5, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not once.

682 appearances, all starts.

This is a silly idea. Glavine should retire.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 5, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

HE SHOULD TAKE HIS GOLD WATCH

or what ever else the Braves might give him and fade away…The Cubs do not need his medical problems……..

by cubs north on Jun 5, 2009 6:00 PM CDT reply actions  

I do not blame Glavine on iota

if he wants to keep playing. I don’t blame anyone who wants to keep coming to the ballpark and keep getting paid to do it.

But he shouldn’t be a Cub.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jun 5, 2009 10:47 PM CDT reply actions  

That's well put.

If Glavine wants to pitch, then let him. A playoff team might just take a flyer, and if not, the Nats or someone would be glad to have him to draw fans, be a decent #5, and mentor the younger players.

Side note: Glavine’s autobiography is a really good read. Ironically titled “None but the Braves” I believe, but there is some great insight on Maddux. I think Glavine almost went pro in hockey before choosing baseball.

Free Ronny Cedeno

by Kansas25 on Jun 5, 2009 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Glavine is not what the team needs

Glavine was and might still be a great pitcher.

That being said, he is not what the Cubs need right now. I hope Glavine doesn’t have to retire on the closing note that the Braves released him. I also hope he doesn’t sign to an NL Central team and resurrect the year.

But for anyone that thinks Glavine is needed….we have Zambrano, Lilly, Dempster, Harden and Wells in the rotation. All 5 of them can out pitch Glavine at his age. I’m fairly confident of that.

Plus, didn’t we do enough for him 2 years ago when Cubs bats went cold and gave him a 300th victory at Wrigley?

by ak123 on Jun 6, 2009 1:13 AM CDT reply actions  

Here is a very good reason to stay away from Glavine.

He’s apparently selfish:

Braves icon Tom Glavine(notes) remained bitter Friday that he was released after completing his rehab assignment, claiming that the decision was financially motivated. The Braves, who re-signed Glavine for $1 million plus incentives in February, would have owed him $1 million upon adding him to the 25-man roster, and then an additional $1.25 million apiece for 30 and 60 days spent on the roster. Glavine made no mention of the fact that the Braves paid him $8 million in 2008, when he won only two games before elbow and shoulder problems sidelined him.

GM Frank Wren insisted that the decision was driven by performance, not dollars, that top prospect Tommy Hanson deserved his promotion. Braves scouts, meanwhile, had Glavine topping out at 84 miles an hour and pitching at 80-81. "We gave him an opportunity to come back from elbow and shoulder surgery because he was Tom Glavine," a Braves executive said. Sentiment may have gotten in the way of a baseball decision then; it was painfully set aside this week.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 6, 2009 5:30 AM CDT reply actions  

Glavine is not selfish

He is a professional and the Braves totally mishandled the situation which they now admit. It is unlike the Braves to have screwed up like this but Shuerholtz has now apologized to him. I think this from Glavine certainly explains his anger and the Braves outrageous handling of his release.

“Glavine, still seething as he talked in depth for the first time since his release on Wednesday, said the Braves knew they were going to release him on Tuesday afternoon but “still paraded me out in Rome to a sold-out crowd” for his minor league start that night."

Here is the rest of the article http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/baseball/mlb/06/05/glavine.talks.ap/index.html

The Braves may have made the correct decision for them to release him but they F(*%$$ed up how they did it and Glavine of all people
deserved better from them.

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on Jun 6, 2009 7:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

They did offer to let him announce his retirement.

… and given the fact that he said he has to “think” about pitching for another team, maybe he should have done that.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 6, 2009 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

That is not the point

Why did they have him pitch in the minor league game Tuesday already knowing they were going to release him. Why didn’t they
tell him THEN and let HIM make the choice. This was totally botched and for all his flaws something Hendry would never have done.

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on Jun 6, 2009 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe because they paid him $4 million a win in 2008

and wanted to recoup some of the costs

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jun 6, 2009 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree that this was poorly handled by the Braves

but I think Glavine should quit complaining and stating that he was released over money. He was a true blue Brave… yeah right that’s why he went to the Mets because he could get paid more money. What goes around comes around some times.

by LT on Jun 6, 2009 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I am really leery

of labeling people selfish because they want to get paid.

By I also am skeptical of calling a business heartless because they don’t want to pay without return.

In short, I don’t blame Glavine for wanting to play and get money. I don’t blame the Braves for saying “You know, we just aren’t getting enough”

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jun 6, 2009 7:43 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Yep.

Rec’d.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 6, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

WOW!

You’re telling me a guy lost 1 million dollars and got angry? He must be a jerk.

Seriously, wouldn’t you be a little pissed off in Glavine’s situation.

by Poloplaya14 on Jun 6, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Competitive Fire And Pride......

…. two things that drove Glavine, are now his worst enemy.

It likely kills him to see Jamie Moyer still pitching effectively, much less for the defending champs. I’d hate to see Glavine end up like Steve Carlton.

I have to wonder though, if Greg Maddux wanted to pitch for the Cubs this year, would as many people say no to him as they are to Glavine?

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Jun 6, 2009 9:43 AM CDT reply actions  

I can't imagine Maddux WANTING to pitch this year.

but if he came out, I’d give him a uniform, stick him in the pen, and give him all the time he wants to talk to our pitchers. Let him pitch one inning a month. Can’t be worse than Heilman.

I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.

by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maddux

Judging from the size of the spare tire around his middle, I would take a pass on Maddux, too. At least Glavine is in shape.

by lookingdeadred on Jun 6, 2009 9:51 AM CDT reply actions  

Maddux, at least, knew when it was time to go.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 6, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

You won’t see any comebacks from him. Unless it involves coaching kids at the local municipal ball field.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 6, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Heh- With that emerging spare tire....

… Maddux and I finally have something in common.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Jun 6, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well Maddux refers to his as "wine gut "

to distinguish from a beer gut as he is a serious connesseiur . Does bring to mind a recent comment by Bobby Cox about Maddux, Glavine & Smoltz and recent revelations of widespread steroid use among players during their prime. Referring to his prized
trio he said “they did it on hamburgers” . After a two decades in baseball not much doubt the Big Macs caught up with Maddux and the others but even with the big belly he still had some amazing movement on that ball.

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on Jun 6, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great Players...

…Especially like Maddux, Glavine, etc… deserve to play as long as they want too. There should be only one condition to that. They should be able to play! If Glavine thinks he can still pitch, and if someone is willing to give him a try, then let him. If he fails, the calls will stop coming. Is he the Glavine of old? No. Would he be a better pitcher than some of these relief guys out there? Maybe… if he wants to try for it, then he deserves the chance.

These guys are heroes in baseball. Children look up to them, they bring in $$$ just because of who they are. If they have anything left in the tank, and if somebody is willing to give it a shot, they should try for it and not be PUSHED into retirement.

That’s my 2 cents. (If I had the chance to see Glavine pitch one more time, I would try to go.)

by TheHawkRules on Jun 6, 2009 1:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Well

Topping out at 84 mph means he probably doesn’t have much left. I think he there’s a chance could do it, but it’s a longshot.

by Poloplaya14 on Jun 6, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

All I am saying..

… is that if somebody is willing to give him a shot, then he deserves it. Maybe he won’t make it, but, I would still rather have a slowed down Glavine out there than some of these other chaps in baseball uniforms.

just my two cents.

by TheHawkRules on Jun 6, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

And the Braves decided they weren't willing.

What’s wrong with them drawing that conclusion?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 6, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nothing.

I never said anything bad about the Braves making that decision. I just believe if Glavine wants to pitch, he should be given the chance to prove himself. It doesn’t have to be in a Braves uniform.

Also, to his defense, in his his rehab stint, he did give up 0 runs in 11IP. I know SOME of that 11IP was in class A ball, but still, what SHOULD he have done? Struck them all out? Even if his velocity was down, he should have been give more time in triple A. If he would have went there, then sucked, then maybe he would have came to a retirement decision on his own. Maybe not…. but still, he probably did no different in ERA than what he would have done if he was pitching his prime years in a rehab start in the minors.

So, because of that, he was pushed out… Obviously.

by TheHawkRules on Jun 8, 2009 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Heroes???

Maddux and Glavine are ballplayers, not heroes. Soldiers, cops and firefighters, to name a few, are real heroes.

by lookingdeadred on Jun 7, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

He did say "heroes in baseball".

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 7, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

the word hero

is grossly overused IMO. Baseball players are not heroic.

by lookingdeadred on Jun 8, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Glavine may file grievance

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9648536/Glavine-may-file-grievance-against-Braves

OK, Tom, I defended you wanting to get paid. But c’mon.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jun 7, 2009 7:04 AM CDT reply actions  

This is why I can't stand Tom Glavine.

He’s been very active in MLBPA affairs throughout his career. He made very strident comments during the 1994-95 work stoppage.

I am a union member. I can guarantee you that if my union ever was on strike or locked out, Glavine would not hesitate to cross the line if he were invited to my TV station for an interview.

According to his baseball-reference.com page, he has made over $128 million in his career.

Stop whining, Tom, and go home.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 7, 2009 7:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Men like Glavine

also stood front-and-center against any meaningful steroid testing.

I do not believe Glavine used personally. But he is an accomplice and he stood by and enjoyed salaries going up while steroid users had skyrocketing numbers.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jun 7, 2009 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think that was his main excuse for taking the money with the Mets

It wouldn’t be fair to other union members for him to have taken the smaller pay check from the Braves.

by LT on Jun 7, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

As you said, it was just an excuse, and a pompous one at that.

At his age, taking less from the Braves would have had zero impact on anyone else’s deal.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jun 8, 2009 3:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah

I was not taking up for him doing that. Glavine is sort of like Sosa to the Cubs. There are a lot of Braves fans who hate him and also a lot that think he was the greatest ever.

by LT on Jun 8, 2009 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

If he does....

…. he’s officially a male genital, and becomes yet another poster boy for the modern day, greedy, me forst ball player. Not that those types didn’t always exist, but like others have said, c’mon Tom, you’re 43, your last couple of years sucked, and I’d bet he didn’t take some broad hints during Spring Training about leaving gracefully.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Jun 7, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

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