Zambrano gone after contract?
MLB.com is reporting here that Big Z will RETIRE after his contract is up.
"After this contract, I'm done," said Zambrano, who is signed through 2012 with a vesting option for 2013. "I'm serious. I don't want to play. I want to help this team, I want to do everything possible to win with this team, but after five years or four years, or whatever I have left on my contract, I just don't want to play.
"I want to stay home and see my daughters grow up and hang out with my family more," he said. "Do you know how many Mother's Days I spend with my mother? Do you know how many things I've lost in my life?
I don't know how I feel about this. I mean, if he wants to do that I can respect wanting to see your family. I think very few of us actually realize how much baseball players are away from their families both during the season and in the off season.
But this quote sounds like he already has one foot out the door. Maybe he should have thought about this a year ago when he signed this deal. Maybe he should have taken a shorter deal.
I just really hope this doesn't effect his performance. If he is saying these kinds of things right now with 4 years left who is to say that in 2 years he doesn't just completely stop performing to his ability. Not the kind of quote I want to see after his suspension and missing a team charter.
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Oh is this where the Zambrano Bashers Club is meeting now?
That’s not a dig at you, gizmo. I’ve got no problem with this fan post or anything you’ve said. It’s just that I’m 15 hours ahead of Chicago, so I’ve seen the future of this thread… :P
Maybe he’s being pissy because he’s gotten in a bit of trouble lately…
Maybe he just recognizes that living in a foreign country away from most of his family and friends is going to continue to take a toll, so he’s arrived at a rational decision about what will be best for the long-term happiness of himself and his family…
Maybe, maybe, maybe…
But there’s simply not enough information in that article to know one way or another… but let the Zambrano mind-reading begin again…
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by CubFanInCanberra (9387milesfromWrigley) on Jun 6, 2009 2:26 AM CDT reply actions
I just see no point in saying this
Unless he’s hoping for people to say “Please Carlos don’t go” and other kinds of attention he is seeking. I love Z. I didn’t even mind his tantrum or his hustling out the bunt. It just worries me that we are stuck with him for 4 or 5 more years and it seems like (if this quote is really how he feels) that he’s already planning on living it up with all his money and not thinking about a World Series.
Maybe he shouldn't have said it
Personally, I know that if I had reporters shouting questions at me every day, including days were I just failed miserably on national television, that I’d probably say some stupid things too. Actually, I’m sure I would.
However I think it’s a big stretch to go from his statement that he wants “to stay home and see my daughters grow up and hang out with my family more” and turn that into your statement that he’s “planning on living it up with all his money”.
Finally, Carlos has always seemed like an intense competitor and I assume he’s as hungry to get to a WS as anyone else on the team…
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by CubFanInCanberra (9387milesfromWrigley) on Jun 6, 2009 4:15 AM CDT up reply actions
How ridiculous
You’re right he doesn’t care he just wants to live it up in 5 years.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by puckishcubsfan on Jun 6, 2009 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions
If he's planning on liviing it up with all his money, why isn't he entitled too?
If this man fulfills the terms of his contract which he intends to do, why isn’t he entitled to spend his money any way he sees fit? It’s interesting that people would begrudge a man who says he would like to see his children grow up. I don’t know if it occurred to you but maybe all the recent criticism he’s been given has made him think that he doesn’t need it once his contract is up. I don’t blame the guy. He gives the game all he has when he’s on the field and he’s still one of the most criticized players in this organization. He’s just put together 100 wins in a Cubs uniform but fans still want to bash the guy.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jun 6, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Just wondering
Where does someone – anyone – say that he shouldn’t watch his children grow up?
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 6, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Z said part of his reason for walking away would be to spend more time with his daughters.
Above, gizmo completely discounts this and claims that “he’s already planning on living it up.” Where in Z’s statement does one get the impression that he just wants to quit playing and go live the high life? gizmo discounts Z’s personal reasons and I was trying to point out that there’s no reason to believe that he’s not being honest about how he feels right now. I also added that Z is entitled to walk away no matter what his reasons may be. I never put words in anyone’s mouth.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jun 6, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Gizmo also said
I mean, if he wants to do that I can respect wanting to see your family. I think very few of us actually realize how much baseball players are away from their families both during the season and in the off season.
I still don’t see where he – or anyone – said that Zambrano shouldn’t watch his children grow up.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 6, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Again, when he says Z is "already planning on living it up," it's implying that he is retiring to live the high life not for the reasons he stated.
You seem to think I’m twisting someone’s remarks and in the process are twisting what I said. When the man says he wants to quit to be more involved with his family and gizmo claims, “he’s already planning on living it up,” I find that to be stating that Z isn’t going to retire for the reasons he claims. I don’t know if Carlos will even feel this way when his contract is up but to imply he wants to blow off his career to live it up seems far-fetched to me. Evidently you agree with gizmo and find some need to defend his remarks, got it.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jun 6, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions
No, I'm not trying to twist your remarks
As I’ve said elsewhere in this thread, I’m just tired of people finding fault with others who dare to criticize any aspect of a Chicago Cub.
And, by your logic, couldn’t you be accused of twisting Gizmo’s words?
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 6, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess we have something in common then cause I'm tired of fans making unfounded remarks in their criticism of players.
Criticize a guy’s play all you would like but when you contend that you know a player’s motivation, well you just don’t know enough to say that. I think the remark I pointed out was mindless speculation and felt compelled to voice my opinion. I’m certainly not a mindless defender of all things Cub. Quite the opposite actually.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jun 6, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Then again....
….. it’s his opinion, and he’s entitled to it.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
anyone
has the right to an opinion. No one has the right to an opinion without contradiction.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly, and while anyone is entitled to their opinion it doesn't mean their opinion has validity.
People also like to pawn off their opinion as fact. I never said anyone isn’t entitled to their opinion but I certainly don’t have to agree with it or respect it.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jun 7, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Respect it, yes.
Because how do you expect anyone to respect YOUR opinion if you don’t respect theirs?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Seems there are a few that don't
if the other opinion is critical of their favorite Cub
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 7, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Where did I contend that I KNOW a player's motiviation?
voice all you want. as an adult who has been beyond my front door, I am comfortable making some assumptions based on observations. I also am comfortable admitting that I could be wrong . . . seems you aren’t comfortable admitting someone else could be right.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 7, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions
That comment was directed at people in general and not specifically at you.
I wasn’t accusing you of this behavior, I was referring more-so to what I disagreed with in gizmo’s remarks whom you were defending. I also never claimed that I’m right and someone else is wrong. I don’t agree with gizmo randomly assigning motivations to Zambrano, when there really isn’t enough evidence to make those assumptions. I don’t have a problem with people being critical of players I just get really tired of all the negative b.s. that’s assigned to certain players. The way certain players get attacked around here wouldn’t happen if these people actually had to say it to the player’s face.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jun 8, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I love it
How when a story about Zambrano comes out that his cult doesn’t like, it’s “We don’t have enough information”
“Enough information” is clearly code for “What we want to hear”
By the way, there are a lot of police officers, fire fighters, hospital employees and cab drivers who have to work holidays too, Carlos. You’re not special.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
No the anti Zambrano therefore anti Cubs once every 5 games crowd is showing what kind of people they are by the reaction they have to this story.
Every person who bashes him here has made it clear that they want him to not win when he pitches.
Not necessarily for the Cubs to lose but you don’t want Zambrano to win.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by puckishcubsfan on Jun 6, 2009 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh, come off it
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 6, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
i consider him our version of Manny
and I love Z to death in Cubbie Blue
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Please stop this.
You are so off target on your “people who bash him have made it clear that they want him to not win when he pitches”. For me I get very tired of his childish behavior. He’s a grown man and needs to act like one. No where did I say I don’t want him to not win when he pitches. Just because someone says they don’t care for Carlos does not mean they don’t like the Cubs once every five days. That is just silly and you are making yourself look foolish every time you say it.
Exactly
This would be a pretty boring place to discuss the Cubs if we all agreed. But we should be able to have different opinions without being attacked.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 6, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I am on record
as saying I think the Cubs would be better off in the long run, if they cut ties to Zambrano. I’ve also said I think a 2004-Red Sox shakeup is what this team needs to break the drought.
I don’t expect that to be popular. I don’t expect that to be agreed with.
But my entire premise is that I think that is what is best for the Cubs.
If we get four more years of the Zambrano we got last night, then I will eagerly and happily re-evaluate.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
I have no issue with you saying that, although I disagree
What I’d like – and maybe it’s happened – is for a teammate to pull him aside and get him to focus. I don’t want him losing his passion, just focusing it.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 6, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions
The difference between you and most here and worf and blou is you don’t post something every day to bash him and don’t make it personal.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by puckishcubsfan on Jun 6, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I love it, too
You’re saying I’m part of a Zambrano cult. Show me a single instance where I’ve demonstrated my worship of the Great and Powerful Carlos.
This is becoming typical behavior around here: Rather than responding to the individual poster and the ideas expressed in the post you’re replying to, just place a derisive label on them and respond to your conception of what that label means. Saves time and thought, right?
And yeah, I used the same kind of label in my original post (i.e., “the Zambrano Bashers Club”) but the difference is that I wasn’t applying that label to any particular person — in fact, I was explicit that I wasn’t applying it to gizmo.
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by CubFanInCanberra (9387milesfromWrigley) on Jun 6, 2009 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions
everyone is special.
Zambrano has a talent not not one man in a thousand has. I wonder, Worf, if you could take the heat of being the focus of so many people. I’ve been in much smaller situations where I was the focus of a lot of people, and it wasn’t easy.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Except he and his
family want to become US citizens. If he doesn’t want to live here I wonder why he’d want to become a US citizen? Of course maybe he’s changed his mind on becoming a citizen too.
I already thought
he was a US citizen. Hmm.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions
From what I understand he is becoming a citizen the week of the 4th of July possibly as part of a pregame ceremony at Wrigley.
Maybe he wants to bring more of his family here.
And when he retires even if they are back in Venezuela he will have more time with him. As of now Chavez hasn’t cutt off travel.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by puckishcubsfan on Jun 6, 2009 5:31 PM CDT up reply actions
He sounds like he's in crisis..
If so, I know how he feels, especially with family and what not. Let’s forget for a moment that he’s a professional baseball player and imagine him as a man – a dad and a husband. To us, they’re baseball players, but there’s a lot more going on for these guys than baseball (except for maybe Pujols – I don’t even think he’s gotten laid yet). I’ve always thought guys like Bradley and Big Z are only vocalizing what a lot of guys in the same position feel – but we don’t really handle people doing that so much in our culture so they get ridiculed and what not.
Z.. you pitched a hell of a game today, dude. I hope you’ll stay with us a long time.
by DisCUBbobulated on Jun 6, 2009 2:55 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
+1
especially for making me laugh with the Pujols comment… :)
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by CubFanInCanberra (9387milesfromWrigley) on Jun 6, 2009 4:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Albert Pujols' wife would like to have a word with you.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Probably his 3 kids too..
do we know for sure they weren’t adopted though? lol
Pumping sunshine for the Cubs since 1968 (yeah, that's right I was a Cubs fan in the womb!)
by CubFanInCanberra (9387milesfromWrigley) on Jun 6, 2009 4:19 AM CDT up reply actions
at least one of them was actually adopted by him
she has down syndrome. that is as much as i know about jose pujols
Pujols is 100 times the man on and off the field
That Carlos has ever thought about being.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
Your basing this on what?
The media hates Zambrano and loves Pujols.
Yes Pujols is a better player but there is no basis to judge their off the field behavior and say Pujols is 100 times or even 1 time or any better off the field.
And I have a tremendous amount of respect for Pujols as a man and all he’s done for people with Down Syndrome. I happen to be involved with Little City here in Chicago.
But I also know a lot about Z’s endeavors and what he does for charities both here in Chicago and in Venezuela. You could almost have a weekly full page for what he does but he doesn’t publicize it.
One thing I like what Z is doing in his home country is donating money to restore churches and other houses of worship. He started just with catholic churches but expanded it to include churches of all denominations as well as other houses of worship of other faiths.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by puckishcubsfan on Jun 6, 2009 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions
He's basing it on his close personal relationship with both men.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 6, 2009 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't say the media hates Zambrano.
They love the guy. He gives them stuff to talk about.
Nobody in this entire thread
has said anything about comparing Zambrano to Pujols — other than you right here.
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by CubFanInCanberra (9387milesfromWrigley) on Jun 6, 2009 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions
According to Worf because Pujols is a better player that makes him a better person.
No it doesn’t. Actually from what I heard Pujols is a very good guy off the field but we have no reason to think Z isn’t either.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by puckishcubsfan on Jun 6, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions
I didn't know that
I had just googled him and saw that he had 3 kids… :)
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by CubFanInCanberra (9387milesfromWrigley) on Jun 6, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Of course, you're right.
I’ve often thought that one of the things that would really destroy baseball is if Pujols tested positive for PEP’s. He is absolutely the epitome of a great player and a great person, and my jab at him was just that. That fact that he’s a Cardinal and I can say without a flinch how great he is really says how good he is.
by DisCUBbobulated on Jun 7, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
No, he's playing for the White Sox
after his contract is up. Oh wait, that was last week.
Zambrano changes his mind more than a pre-teen girl deciding which Jonas Brother is her favorite.
Who knows?
It’s three or four years away. He may change his mind. Again. This is a non-story.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
MAY change his mind ?
You think ? Oh C’mon this is Z being Z and on a scale of 1-10 it is not even a blip. Just imagine Z at 33 retiring and staying home
to hang with his family ?
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 6, 2009 7:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Ryno retired mid season to “be with his family”. Actually he retired because his wife was suing him for divorce and he wanted to help deal with his kids,
Michael Jordan retired to “be with his family” suddenly before a season started but it was to deal with his father’s death and have more time with bimbos.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by puckishcubsfan on Jun 6, 2009 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions
It was very well publicized.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by puckishcubsfan on Jun 6, 2009 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Very well publicized?
By the same media you so despise?
"I'll never forget how I felt last October." ~Kosuke Fukudome
Back when these things happened the media was more trustworthy. The media started to real fail starting in about 1999.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by puckishcubsfan on Jun 6, 2009 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Two thousand zero zero, party over oops, out of time
I love that song.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
A Prince fan in the house! His royal badness rocks!
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 6, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions
It's just good clean back and fourth. Nothing personal. I like the fact
that you have good solid opinions and you stick to your guns. I respect that.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 6, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Dearly Beloved... we are gathered here today
Still the best workout song ever
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
I saw him at a small theatre back in the mid-80's right after I got out of college. He
must have played for three hours. The crowd was mostly college kids and the place was really rocking. I thought the place was going to fall down. Best concert I ever saw, by far.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 6, 2009 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions
The Lovesexy tour was unbelievable...
Sheila E. had a drum solo that blew my mind. Her kit rotated 360-degrees and she was doing drum rolls on the dual kicks while standing up. This would later be topped by the Purple One’s guitar interlude in “I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man.” Sheer musical genius!
"I'll never forget how I felt last October." ~Kosuke Fukudome
Back then, The Time was his opening act and they did a nice set before he
came on. The crowd was about 70% female and they were going nuts. By the time Prince came on and started gyrating around the stage, they were going crazy. If you didn’t get laid that night, it was never going to happen.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 6, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Ah... the Time
“Keep the change!”
“Jerome… go get my change!”
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
I don't know which one was a worse actor, Prince or Morris Day. Purple Rain
and Under the Cherry Moon have to be two of the worst mvies of all times. People raved about Purple Rain, but I thought it sucked.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 6, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions
I was 14 when it came out
And loved it. I was crushed Prince didn’t get Best Actor.
I don’t think I could watch it today. Well, except for the Appollonia parts.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
Yeah, he was robbed. He probably would have turned it down
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 6, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
He won Best Original Score for Purple Rain though.
I still think he gave the best acceptance speech ever.
“Thank you.”
"I'll never forget how I felt last October." ~Kosuke Fukudome
The media started to lose it when the internet started to really hit big and sports radio really exploded.
The internet and sports radio have done good for sports but also bad.
The media members in this city think they are the story.
I trace it back to the mid to late 90s.
The last responsibly covered story in this city was Sandberg’s retirement.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by puckishcubsfan on Jun 6, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Something in the water does not compute...
"I'll never forget how I felt last October." ~Kosuke Fukudome
No, it wasn't
Jordan was protected like no one else since John F. Kennedy while he was in Chicago. It wasn’t until later, much later, when Juanita finally had enough, that most of it came out.
And that was after his playing career.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
Sorry it was very well known.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by puckishcubsfan on Jun 6, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions
So it was reported by the pre-1999 media
Clearly, you have an issue with Jordan. Because apparently diving into his personal life is A-OK, but diving into Zambrano’s is verboten
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
Jordan was very public about what he was doing.
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by puckishcubsfan on Jun 6, 2009 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Typical Z
He makes impulsive statements and does impulsive things. I wouldn’t put much stock in his comments. It’s probably how he felt at 10:03 PM on Friday June 5th.
I can't imagine
Carlos speaking before he thinks, of course that is like the rest of us.
When his contract runs out, and someone offers him ( health considering) a 4 year deal worth 75 Million, I am sure he would reconsider.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
And I'm sure his family would say
Sign that damn contract. We’ll manage just fine without you.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
In part because...
… if he does pitch till he’s 40, he has the chance to be remembered as the greatest pitcher in Cubs history, not to mention putting up a Hall of Fame career. Not saying he WILL do that, only that if he retires at 32, neither of those will happen.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
As I said below
As I said below I’m worried something is going on with his family that may have a connection to the missed flight and being an extremely private person about his family he might not want to reveal what is happning and it prompted what he said.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by puckishcubsfan on Jun 6, 2009 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Ridiculous
Z will be pitching past his 40th birthday if he is healthy and able …. this is just more Carlos being Carlos. Even though he is set for life already, tens of millions of additional dollars make anything else very, very improbable.
If It Takes Forever ....
He's exceptionally frustrated right now
With the team, with himself, with his suspension, and I’m sure with fickle fans. We’ve all had those times where we just want to say “F it, I’m gone”… The difference is that after his contract is up, Carlos will have the money to do it; I certainly don’t.
Jackie likes the smell of cut grass, he used to play ball on Saturdays, Playin in the sun...
Remember when Andy Pettite retired?
If Zambrano wants to see his kids grow up then I fully understand this but it’s 2012 and that’s such a long time away.
I just hope
I just hope there’s no connection between the missed flight and this meaning I hope nothing is wrong in his life that has prompted what he is saying.-
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
The fan reaction by some
Good people see this as a man struggling with time away from his family. Others bash him for it.
It’s sad how low some fans have sunk where they call this being pissy.
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I would like to see the link
where Ryan Dempster, Derrek Lee and other players with documented family problems threatened retirement over it.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
All he said was he right now will retire when his contract is up. He is not threatening to retire right now or anything.
Lee and Dempster’s families are here as well. Z’s wife and kids are with him but the rest of his family is a 16 hour plane ride away.
It really takes a lowlife to bash someone who misses his family. There is nothing lower than that..
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by puckishcubsfan on Jun 6, 2009 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions
First off...
He is NOT derrek lee or dempster. He is his own person. If something was wrong with his family and he couldn’t deal with being away from it, and had the money to be there full time, that is what he has the right to do. You do not have the right to tell him what he should do outside of baseball.
I think it would be very refreshing to see someone be so stand-up about his personal life, and family. Especially professional atheletes.
Don’t compare him to other players when it comes to personal lives, everyones different. Btw, lee and dempsters’ family live here in the USA don’t they? Does Z’s? Also, while I’m on a role, demp and lee’s under a contract. Z would not be if his contract was to expire. He wouldn’t be obligated anything to the team. Even if I was in favor of comparisons like this, it wouldn’t be fair!
Don’t criticize people if they are doing something like this, your not them!
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." --Alvin Dark
by preachermancubsfan on Jun 6, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Z’s wife and kids are here with him in fact they are going to be citizens later this summer which a caller to WGN said shouldn’t happen because of the gatorade incident.
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by puckishcubsfan on Jun 6, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
His mom and other families are back in Venezuela.
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by puckishcubsfan on Jun 6, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
It's still not right
To compare him to lee or demp…he is carlos, not anyone else.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." --Alvin Dark
by preachermancubsfan on Jun 6, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
How is this a "threat"?
He’s talking about honoring his contract, honoring his employer by playing hard, and then retiring when it’s done because there are things in this world more important than playing baseball.
by Wreckard on Jun 6, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
+100
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." --Alvin Dark
by preachermancubsfan on Jun 6, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh please, hes not going anywhere
hes too competitive, he probably just shooting his mouth off
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Again
Again shouting his mouth off what a really nasty term to use.
So you’re saying he was shouting this at the reporters?
The reaction here by you and others is exactly why if something is going on with his family he would want to keep it private.
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by puckishcubsfan on Jun 6, 2009 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions
First of all
I said “shooting”. Zambrano likes to talk about many things, and in this instance, I believe hes just talking for the sake of talking; he knows he has a chance to go down as one of the best of his era, so I find it hard to believe he’d walk away from that.
so why dont you read a bit closer before you try to denigrate me
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
The term shooting is just as bad.
Bashing him for saying what he did is completely wrong.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by puckishcubsfan on Jun 6, 2009 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions
You really are just about off the rails, aren't you?
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
No bashing someone for missing his family and talking about it is being a completely lowlife person and off the rails.
There is absolutely no justification for it.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by puckishcubsfan on Jun 6, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Again...
my point was, he’s just running his mouth; thats what he does. I have no doubt he misses his family, as most pro athletes do, but to suggest hes going to retire at the end just seemed like he was flapping his gums for the sake of it
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Okay but you appeared to be bashing him for saying he misses his family.
I would feel differently if he was saying he wasn’t going to live up to his contract.
His children are right now if I’m correct under 10. In 4 years they’re going to be starting to hit their teens. I think they’re all girls and quite pretty. can you imagine being a 16 year old boy picking up one of his daughters for a date?
Yes Mr. Zambrano I’ll have her home by 10, 9, 8. 7 forget it let’s have dinner here!
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by puckishcubsfan on Jun 6, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
If he misses his family, he could retire now
I think he was just venting. Bruce Miles thinks that according to his blog. Al thinks that.
Why is that so implausible to you?
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 6, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Players threaten retirement all of the time. They get frustrated just like everyone else and want
to do something else. They are human beings that act differently to different situation, just like the rest of us. Ususally, something happens to reinvigorate them and they forget about the retirement talk. It’s silly to complain about a player making an announcement about something 5 years into the future. A myriad of things will happen between now and then. This is a non-story.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 6, 2009 8:40 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Lou Pinella threatened retirement dozens of times
It got to where the New York reporters didn’t even want to write about it. He’d go home to his wife and she’d talk him out of it.
It’s all in the book, “Damned Yankees.”
There is a hilarious story about Pinella insisting at the end of the West Coast road trip that he was done and the reporter, not wanting to miss his plane, refused to write it and Pinella was dumbfounded.
Then he went home and Anita talked him out of it again.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
Yeah, that retirement talk usually lasts until the next months mortgage bill comes.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 6, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions
I got the impression from the book
That the secret to the Pinella’s marriage was Lou being gone a lot.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
It's amazing how well that works sometimes.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 6, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions
This is truly sad
This is a TRULY SAD thread,
The reaction by some is purely sad. Saying he was shouting his mouth off or being pissy.
The guy was talking about his personal emotions and he’s having trouble dealing with being away from his family.
The lack of deceny exhibited here is truly sad. Some people I thought were good people are not.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
Lighten up, Francis.................
it’s just people responing to what he said. I agree with Al- non story. Z will say many contrary things over the next 3 years.
"I still don't know what happened"- Fergie Jenkins on '69
by tommy veryzer on Jun 6, 2009 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions
And people making nasty comments about someone expressing his missing his family.
Ssaying its a non story is not bad. Anyone calling him pissy is bad.
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by puckishcubsfan on Jun 6, 2009 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Where did I react to people calling it a non story?
I reacted to those bashing him for missing his family.
And it would be different if he was saying he was going to retire now and walked out of the clubhouse.
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by puckishcubsfan on Jun 6, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions
So let me see if I get your point...
…you’re saying it’s sad?
"I'll never forget how I felt last October." ~Kosuke Fukudome
It’s sad that people criticize him for missing his family and talking about how it affects him.
No decent person would.
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by puckishcubsfan on Jun 6, 2009 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Is it Old Yeller sad?
Or just, “Damn, I was hoping for cereal but the milk is expired” sad?
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
The payroll better keep going up
The payroll better keep going up because if I was a player I would not want to come here because of fans such as Worf who would bash me and call me pissy because I miss my family.
They are going to have to pay people extra to come herre when in the past players would either take a slightly smaller amount or if everyhing was equal chose the Cubs because of the fans.
Now the opposite will start happening.
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I highly doubt free agents check SBN blogs when deciding where to sign
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 6, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
It’s not here in fact if anything 99 percent of the time this place is not like other places.
It’s the fan behavior at the park and other things.
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by puckishcubsfan on Jun 6, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions
It's amazing
It’s amazing people think it’s wrong to miss your family and wish you had more time with them and say you will retire when your contract is up.
I’m waiting for someone to justify why that’s okay.
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I think you may be overstating this just a bit. It's really not that big of a story.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 6, 2009 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions
I suspect
.. at this point, that at least one person in this thread is just trying to “rattle your cage”.
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by CubFanInCanberra (9387milesfromWrigley) on Jun 6, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions
You think?
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 6, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions
It's OK
because
1) No one believes him.
2) No one cares. There are plenty of EMTs, police officers, and even video store employees — Ever rent a movie on Thanksgiving? Who did you buy it from? — that have to work holidays for a LOT less compensation. There are plenty of people out there whose families live thousands of miles away and they do not have the resources to fly down, or fly them up, at a whim.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
Well put. I don't think the press release says much about the man, positively or negatively. It just
sounds like frustration.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 6, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions
I feel safe in saying
that I’m a lot farther away from most of my friends and family than 99.99% of all those people.
And guess what, we all complain about it now and then. It’s not a crime.
But I am mystified that you think “no one believes him”. He doesn’t miss his family? Or am I misunderstanding you?
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by CubFanInCanberra (9387milesfromWrigley) on Jun 6, 2009 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions
No one believes he'll retire in five years
I believe he misses his family.
But I also have little sympathy for a man who gets from mid-October to February (in other words, the major holidays) entirely with his family and can fly his family to where he happens to be for the other holidays.
A lot of nurses who work Mother’s Day somehow manage to take their mothers out the Saturday night before or the Monday after.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
OK
and thanks for clarifying that you have no sympathy for Carlos — we were wondering.. :P
But I’m actually more curious to hear your responses to my comments up near the top of the thread.
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by CubFanInCanberra (9387milesfromWrigley) on Jun 6, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions
This should not be a contest
pitting Z against nurses or video store employees. The stresses on the family of a baseball player are serious and often devastating. Yes they make a LOT of money and get a nice 3 1/2 month break which includes Christmas but they also spend 8 months or more traveling all over the country and can often be forced to move on short notice. Many like Carlos marry and have children at a fairly young age. All the money in the world is not going to save you from having a hard time dealing with family issues under those circumstances. Players and their wives have to decide if the family will move to the city they play in during the season which is often very difficult with school age children, or have the wife kids stay “home” and visit when they can.
Per above I don’t really take this statement by Carlos too seriously but I also don’t think one should make light of difficulties baseball players face in balancing family and work.
PS As in most things baseball they might look to Maddux ( and his wife Kathy) to see how to do it best , as in wait till you are older and established to start a family, let the kids stay in one place after they hit school age and spend the summer break with you and always know what really matters.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 6, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Uh oh..
You’ve just expressed empathy for Zambrano… which officially makes you a member of the Cult of Carlos… welcome! You’ll find koolaid and other refreshments in our meeting room/temple down the hall… ;)
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by CubFanInCanberra (9387milesfromWrigley) on Jun 6, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions
We all have cramps in our forearms and point to the sky after every post.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 6, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions
It’s actually the real reason I work at home.
My coworkers were poed at me because everytime I completed a project I’d point to the sky. And everytime I start one I pray. So my boss made me work at home :).
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by puckishcubsfan on Jun 6, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
A lot of people have to make these calculations
for a lot less money.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
They absolutely do
but that is no reason to make light of the problems baseball players have in balancing their jobs and family.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jun 6, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
indeed
Carlos isn’t competing for sympathy here. If baseball were easy, everyone would do it. Remember what happened to Dome last year? Oh, wait, I’m pretty sure Worf reacted with his usual empathy to that one, too. o.0
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions
You don't think he wants sympathy?
Really? Then why say what he did?
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
I missed 12 Mother's Days!
That’s a cry for sympathy
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
he said what he said in response to the question
“Will you go on to win 300 games?”
“Three hundred? Me?” Zambrano said. “No, I’ll be out of here in five years.”
How does he know?
“After this contract, I’m done,” said Zambrano, who is signed through 2012 with a vesting option for 2013. "I’m serious. I don’t want to play. I want to help this team, I want to do everything possible to win with this team, but after five years or four years, or whatever I have left on my contract, I just don’t want to play.
“I want to stay home and see my daughters grow up and hang out with my family more,” he said. "Do you know how many Mother’s Days I spend with my mother? Do you know how many things I’ve lost in my life?
“It’s good to be here, it’s good to play baseball — don’t get me wrong,” Zambrano said. “But five years, four years, whatever I have left in my contract, I will retire. That’s it.”
Once again, context is important. He’s not asking for sympathy. He’s saying why he’s retiring.
And in the face of Worf’s “everyone will come back for more money,” I would be perfectly happy if Z retired when he says he’s going to.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
So you'd rather me be wrong
than to have a pitcher you say is a benefit to the team stay with the team
And people question MY priorities?
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
Yeah, that didn't come across so good, Drew
Maybe it was an emotional posting ;-)
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 6, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
nope.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
it's not a matter of rathering anything.
He said what he said in response to a question. And if Z wants to retire when his contract is up, then I say “thank you for giving us the best years of your life, for always playing hard, for pushing this team to win.” We don’t have any right to say anything differently.
It is HIS life. He gets to do with it as he chooses. And I don’t think he’s looking for sympathy from anyone.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
When be brings up......
’’’’ things he’s “lost in his life” and Mother’s Day, it’s entirely reasonable to say he’s looking for sympathy.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
no. it's not.
When he says “I’m looking for sympathy,” THEN you can say he’s looking for it.
He was giving his reasons for retiring at the end of his contract. He has every right to do so. He owes us nothing. He leaves EVERYTHING on the field, and I find it utterly ridiculous that people seem to think that we have a right to know about, and decide whether we approve of, his personal decisions.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Someone looking for sympathy and hoping they get it
Probably isn’t going to say, “I’m looking for sympathy”
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 6, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
you guys crack me up.
He was asked “are you going to go for 300 wins?”
He said know. I’ll bet you $100 that the followup, or implied followup question was “why?”
And so he tells them, and they print it and here we are — with people questioning his dedication, suggesting that he’s weak, suggesting that he should simply quit now.
It’s amazing.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Drew, why are you trying to pick a fight with me?
Because if you’re not, you sure as hell are acting like it.
Am I one of “you guys” because I don’t agree?
I did not question Zambrano’s dedication. I did not say he should quit now. I did say if he really missed his family, that he was free to do so.
I’ve tried to frame this nicely, but perhaps a bit too subtlely:
There are certainly people that are predisposed to focus on the negative in any situation. However, there are times that you go out of your way to ignore potential issues, too.
I can’t read Zambrano’s mind, but I wasn’t born yesterday, either. His actions come across as someone looking for attention, and his behavior has seemed petulant on more than one occassion.
Frankly, I don’t give a rodent’s posterior if that offends people. I also no longer care if people are going to accuse me of being less of a Cub fan, because anyone that’s actually met me knows how much of a Cub fan that I am. I have biases like anyone else, but I try to be as objective as I can. I think Zambrano could stand to grow up. Anyone that has a problem with that can realize it’s just that — their problem.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 6, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I’m not picking a fight with you. But it appears that you’re falling into the same trap these other folks are.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I've felt that way about Zambrano for a long time
I’m not angry with you, but the comment above frustrated me. If I can’t have a discussion with a person – online or in person – without being able to disagree civilly, then I can’t have a discussion with that person.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 6, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
well, ok
I think I’ve been civil. I’m also frustrated, but not with you.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions
You have indeed been civil with me
I’ve just grown weary of the, “you said ‘x’ about player ‘y’, so you hate all that is good and holy” stuff.
You haven’t been the biggest contributor of that sentiment (and haven’t gone completely off the deep end), but you do sometimes get defensive on behalf of Cubs if anything at all negative is said.
Just as I’m sure you are tired of some people who never seem to say anything positive.
There is a middle ground.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 6, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
For Chrissakes...
If you’re going to keep responding at least respond to what I said. As Shanghai Badger told you, no one is going to say “I’m looking for sympathy”. But again, in my opinion, when someone says what Zambrano did, he’s definitely looking for some. You disagree, fine. But it doesn’t make me wrong.
As for the part you wrote about “owing us” anything, where the hell did I say anything like that? Where did I ever say he doesn’t leave EVERYTHING on the field? Where did I ever say we need to approve of his “personal decisions”? If you’re going to rant, at least rant about something someone actually wrote.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
I'm pretty sure
I’m on base here.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Good for you
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say
the suspension and the missed flight have as much to do with his comment as your contention that he just came to realize that he wants no part of missing his family.
Why do you think he was joking about Soto in Lou’s office thing with him saying that Lou has a bat and there is going to be big news. Maybe he was sore about being chewed out from the missed flight.
And if someone misses their family, why doesn’t he retire now and get to spend all the special time with them. I am not dissing Carlos, I love the guy, I want him to pitch for the Cubs until he is no longer effective(hopefully at age 40). But for you to come down on posters for saying he was pissy, there is as much evidence for their reaction as there is for your reaction that his comment has to be genuine about missing his family.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
Maybe he’s struggling with his commitment to his family and his commitment to baseball.
Also the nurses and such people refer to most of their families aren’t a 16 hour plane ride away living in a country where people disappear rather frequently under Chavez. (I work with a woman from Venezuela who fears for her family’s safety every day because they are against the government).
He got his wife and kids out now he wants to get his other family out from what I’ve heard.
Again I worry something is happening to trigger this suddenly coming out that may be related to the missed flight.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by puckishcubsfan on Jun 6, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Folks have to take care of their own.
All I’m saying is that you are reading into his statements same as the other posters are. You just don’t like what they said, there is just as much evidence either way. Is there a coincidence that the suspension and the missed flight just happened within a week?
I think one of the other posters was right. Carlos is just an emotional person and doesn’t give much thought to things coming out of his mouth at the time.(and with reporters always trying to get "the good quote out of you) I’m sure he misses his family, but to say 4 years from now, I will retire is something I don’t think even he knows what he will do.
But at least I will say, I’m speculating because I am not his BF and I don’t know the man.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
Carlos is clearly very emotional...
…and I wouldn’t hang your hat on too much that he says or does – because it’s usually fleeting with emotional people.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
by MPH73 on Jun 6, 2009 9:29 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
This one-sentence response...
… sums it up better than just about anything else. Rec’d.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
For some reason, the term "drama queen" comes to mind.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 6, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Big Z
When his contract expires, I am sure someone, maybe the Cubs maybe some other team, will give him several million reasons to continue to play.
Cry me a river, Carlos
I don’t care. How many things he’s lost in his life because he was a professional baseball player? As if no one else in the history of humanity missed out on more than a few things too? There are 24 other guys on the Cubs right now with similar stories, not to mention all the players on every other major leage team, plus the minors. Ask Bobby Scales about sacrificing. And then grow up.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
everyone's lives
are unique. I’d suggest that Bobby Scales would tell you that he hasn’t sacrificed any more or any less than Carlos Zambrano has, and he’s done it under much different pressure.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Suggest it all you want..
… but you don’t KNOW that. Sorry, had to do it.
Much evidence is available to suggest that Scales sacrificed much more than Zambrano to get to the majors. The difference between Scales and Zambrano, and what would go to support your answer, is that Scales,by all accounts, has his head screwed on much better, is humble, and wouldn’t think it proper to mention it. Zambrano, obviously, has no such thought processes.
Living here in Long Beach, CalifornI-yay, I’ve followed Vlad Guererro’s career. He solved any homesick issues by bringing his mother and the rest of his brood to live with him here. His mother is well-known for cooking much food for both the Angels, and whatever road team is in town. No one hears nary a peep from Guerrero about anything. He just plays. AND, he’s been hurt a lot lately too, but he never broods about, at least not to where anyone would ever know. I’d suggest Zambrano could easily afford to bring whoever he misses to wherever he is.
Baseball now is heavily populated with players that share a background just like Zambrano’s. Most are not nearly as talented nor as sucessful. Why does it seem it is only ever Zambrano we read about, with these myriad of issues?
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
because
the media makes Z the story. Because he IS better than a lot of other players. Because it’s not really about making your readers more aware of the issues facing latin-american players, it’s about selling papers.
And you’re right, I’m speculating on what Bobby Scales would say. I don’t agree with your characterization of Z not being humble or not having his head screwed on right. Everyone has their head screwed on differently.
Z isn’t crying out for help. He’s telling people why he’s going to retire when his contract is up. That’s no license for people to start screaming that his head isn’t in the game, either.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Just wondering
If it’s about better players, why do we never read things like this about Pujols, Santana, Wright, Rollins, Howard, etc.?
If it’s about better players, and as one poster would have us believe, the big bad Chicago media, why no stories like this about Thome, Quentin, Lee (sorry, Clutche — Hoffpauir), etc?
And if it’s about selling papers, why does Miles state in his DH blog today and earlier in the year that he likes Zambrano?
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 6, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
doesn't matter if Miles likes him or not
Miles’ job is to sell papers.
There have been stories about other players. Lee gets attention for his Project 3000; yet even though he started that foundation to fight what he thought was his daughter’s eye disease, no one ever accused him of being selfish.
I just think that’s interesting.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Why would anyone?
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
why would anyone what?
accuse Lee of being selfish for starting a charity aimed at helping cure the disease they thought his daughter had?
I don’t know. But I can easily see people ripping Zambrano or Bradley for doing something similar.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Sigh
I am reminded of the first episode of “King of the Hill”. Hank is accused of not liking his neighbor because of Khan’s (sp?) ethnicity, and he wonders to himself why someone can’t dislike someone just for who they are without being accused of something else.
I have no doubt that some people accuse Bradley and Zambrano of things based on repiutation alone. However, that doesn’t mean that every observation is borne out of some bias. Nor does it mean that they don’t actually do irresponsible things sometimes.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 6, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
none of which validates
a fan’s desire to know everything possible about a decision a player makes.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Moving target
You’re not addressing what I wrote, which is ok, but a fan’s desire to know things is not paramount to the discussion.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 6, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
it's not?
“we” don’t like it when Z doesn’t talk to the press. “We” don’t like it when Bradley talks to the press TOO MUCH, or at least when he says something “we” don’t like.
Everyone makes mistakes. It would be a lot better if we could simply learn to accept the flaws in others.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions
This is what I'm talking about above....
If you’re going to keep respond, respond to what was said. Don’t make up something Lee, assume someone else’s position, and then argue with me about a figment of your imagination.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
I'm pretty sure
I’m on base here too.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I have to ask....
….. which base? Off base?
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
no
on base.
I’m pretty sure you know what that means.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess I have to ask again
Why don’t we read stuff like that about the other players that I listed?
Wouldn’t a scandal about Thome or Lee sell a lot more papers, because no one would expect it?
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 6, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
it's hard to manufacture a scandal
about Thome or Lee.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think the contract thing is a scandal
I think it’s a non-story
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 6, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
192 comments
in this post. I looked at the MLB article, and some of the things said about Z are disgraceful.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
The MLB comments are unmoderated
You get all kinds of garbage with that stuff
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 6, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
A lot less pressure for Scales, I would think
Money doesn’t solve everything, but there had to be tremendous pressure on Scales to get a “real job”. Carlos has been set financially for a long time.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 6, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't stand these type of comments
Boo frickin hoo that he can’t spend every minute with his kids. My guess is that major league baseball players have the opportunity to spend way more time with their kids than most fathers do. They get at least 3 months off in the winter and they have the financial ability to have their family travel with them on business trips during the summer.
When Buehrle said this crap earlier in the year I thought it was a negotiating tactic so that he could play with the Cardinals. I still think that’s true in his case. As for Zambrano, I think he’s just a prima donna. If his desires are elsewhere then go. Get out now. Get someone in here who is willing to develop his talent and become a great pitcher. Maybe it’s this sentiment that prevents Zambrano from being as good as his talent allows. His real focus is elsewhere.
I will always respect guys like Randy Johnson who will leave everything they have on the field. Sure he’s not the pitcher that he was, but he is still contributing to the Giants winning ballgames. It’s an affront to the game for Zambrano to have this attitude.
If he want to go, go now. I’m serious. Retire now and have the Cubs go with a rotation including Wells and Marshall.
by jerry morales rules on Jun 6, 2009 10:57 AM CDT reply actions
You must be joking.
MLB players have more time with their kids that most fathers do? You do realize that they play a 162 game schedule full of travel? The financial means are there to have their family travel with them, sure, but try to imagine that. Taking kids on arduous road trips? Why don’t you take your kids on your next business trip, and tell me how that turns out…
It’s an affront to the game that Z wants to retire at the end of his contract and be with his family? Please… As far as Z retiring now- yeah let’s have the guy that almost by himself put last night’s game in the W column for us retire now. Whatever. I simply don’t agree.
I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 6, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Do you have 3 1/2 months off every year?
I have a 240 game schedule every year. That’s 48 weeks at 5 days per and I have to travel.
I’m positive – absolutely positive – that MLB players have more time and more resources than I do towards a family. I don’t personally know people in major league baseball, but I do know people in the NFL and NHL and yes they do have more time (and more resources) with their family than “9 to 5”ers.
Zambrano is an incredibly talented player, but what I’m saying is that if he’s this conflicted about playing MLB baseball, then go now. The Cubs could use him, sure, but they can get by without him.
by jerry morales rules on Jun 6, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Does your family live a 16 hour plane ride away in a country that could blow at any moment?
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by puckishcubsfan on Jun 6, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
In the late 50's
My parents moved to the US from Poland. So, yes, my family does live many hours away. They came here for the financial and political freedom that the US provided. They worked and provided for their family. One thing they didn’t do is complain about how much they had to sacrifice because they got so much more in return.
Zambrano could move every one of his family members here if he wanted to.
All I’m saying is that if he’s this conflicted, then go. A person has to do what he thinks is right for his family. Maybe this is what’s causing his erratic behavior. If so, expect he erratic behavior to get worse.
Go now. The Cubs can get another pitcher.
by jerry morales rules on Jun 6, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
You say Z is conflicted about playing he never said anything to indicate that.
Z said he doesn’t see himself continuing to play after his current contract expires. That’s certainly his right and doesn’t mean he doesn’t want to play now. It’s interesting that people project these things onto the player when he’s simply answering a question posed to him about the future of his career. It’s not like he came out and said he’s been thinking about wanting to quit playing. You are right the Cubs can get another pitcher but I doubt if he’ll win 100 games over the next 7 seasons.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jun 6, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
He's the one
who brought up “Do you know how many Mother’s Days I spend with my mother? Do you know how many things I’ve lost in my life?” That to me sure sounds like a guy who’s lamenting.
You’re right that I don’t know what is going on with him. I have no way to know what is going on in his head. If he tells the Cubs that he wants to continue playing than I’ll root for him to win. However, if he really is as conflicted as they quotes make him out to be, both him and the Cubs are better off parting.
by jerry morales rules on Jun 6, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions
brought up
in context of “why” he is retiring.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I see your point
but I don’t see how that’s relevant. He’s the one that’s still having those feelings whether in answer to a retirement question or him ruminating about life in general.
by jerry morales rules on Jun 6, 2009 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I just don't see it as
an indictment that he’s not playing with his head in the game. Carlos Zambrano is one of the most dedicated players I’ve seen. He’s talking about retiring at the end of his contract. That’s all.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
It does seem pretty simple doesn't it?
The guy says he wants to go at the end of his contract and gives a couple of reasons why. Because he says he will probably retire at the end of his contract he’s now being accused of not having the passion to play now. It really doesn’t seem to matter what he says or does because certain people are going to bash the guy no matter what. It’s even more remarkable that he’s taking all of this heat after his 100th win in a Cubs uniform. The guy seems to give his all every time he takes the field so I won’t accuse the guy of being conflicted as to whether or not he wants to play baseball.
by Acapulco Taco Pie on Jun 7, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Can Zambrano afford to re-locate them?
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 6, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey, no politics
;-)
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 6, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
are you sure?
can you provide stats to support it? after all, maybe his wife is a murderer and has a sheet a kilometer long keeping her out
SARCASM
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Maybe she doens't pay her bills
;-)
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 6, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
You can’t just bring family here at the click of a finger. It’s more complicated than that or at least you can’t do it legally.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by puckishcubsfan on Jun 6, 2009 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not that hard either
You hire a good Immigration lawyer and he’l;l get it done. t may take a year, but he’ll get it done. Also, I have a good feeling that the Cubs probably know more than a few good lawyers that could help poor old Carlos out.
by jerry morales rules on Jun 6, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions
My friend from Venezuela is trying to bring her family here. Yes it can be done but it’s not that easy.
Carlos can probably do it illegally with his money but he wants it to be above board.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by puckishcubsfan on Jun 7, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Imagine that. Myself in agreement with a Brewers fan. Stupefying really...
I'm a truth teller, I'm a risk taker, I'm like Johnny Cash - I walk the line...
by Jimmyeatworld on Jun 6, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
"Boo frickin' hoo that he can't spend every minute with his kids."
Wow. Holy callousness, Batman!
“As for Zambrano, I think he’s just a prima donna.”
Well, yeah, but….
“If he want(s) to go, go now.”
As a Brewers fan, I agree.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jun 6, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not trying to be callous
I’m sure that his kids are better off financially and from the perspective of time they get to spend with their parents than most everyone. Most US parents have to work, both the mother and father. It’s not the kids that are suffering here.
What would happen if Zambrano actually had a job like the rest of us have? He’s so money and he doesn’t even know it.
by jerry morales rules on Jun 6, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
One big difference people miss
One big difference between Carlos and a lot of players is Carlos’ family is living a 16 hour plane ride away in a country that’s likely to blow at any moment (I have a coworker from Venezuela who says things are getting bad there sorry it’s not the utopia the media will lead you to believe. This is not only from her but we’ve become friendly enough I’ve spent time with her friends and other people from that country. I became curious because of Carlos and what she’s told me would really make you be very happy you don’t live there)
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
I apologize if this is political. I wanted to convey how bad things are getting without being political and how bad it would be to live 16 hours away from your family in a situation like this.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by puckishcubsfan on Jun 6, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think it's political to point out the obvious.
Hugo Chavez is a dangerous menace to his people and an enemy of the United States. That’s a pretty apparent fact. Which also apparently doesn’t bother this guy.
"I'll never forget how I felt last October." ~Kosuke Fukudome
Easily Solved
As I suggested elsewhere. Move them here. Next.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
well
sure. But that’s because your reason is your opinion.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, clown is a bit strong
I don’t think Carlos is a bad guy. I’m sure this will go over well, but I do think he’s immature. Of course, at leasat one person (not Drew) will read that and claim that I’m rooting for him to not win.
I hope Carlos figures it out and stays with the Cubs for 10 more seasons or longer. And I think this is a non-story.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 6, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
is that cuz he makes you smile
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Funny how?
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 6, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
like a clown :-)
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Does he amuse you?
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 6, 2009 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Carlos is our version of Manny
this is just Carlos being Carlos. Ask him again in a week, he will change his mind
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
This is not even close.
For one thing last time I checked Carlos is not serving a 50 game suspension for doing drugs.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by puckishcubsfan on Jun 6, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I meant in his antics at times
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Uh-oh
Now you’re rooting against him, too…
/sarcasm
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 6, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
he has some antics we all can see
and calling him out Manny is not 100% a negative thing. he plays with passion, and takes every pitch like it is the most important one. Sometimes he is goofy, sometimes over the top, sometimes makes us all scratch our heads no doubt.
I still love him in Cubbie Blue and believe we are a much better team with him than we would be without him.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
I agree - the Cubs are better with him
(Depending on who they could get for him)
What I’d like to see is, how could they – and he – would be if he matured.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 6, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I think we are a better team
WITH Good Carlos.
I just fear Bad Carlos will take over. For a while, it was four or five gems per incident. Then it kinda became even money.
Right now, we’re in a stretch where there are more incidents than gems. If that continues, we’ve got a major problem.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
riiiight.
he’s 4-2. His WHIP is 1.401. His ERA+ is 120.
Last night, he clearly won the game on both sides of the plate. o.0
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
really?
three incidents? And what are these three incidents?
1) Legging out a bunt single, something we expect of every baseball player.
2) Getting suspended for 6 games for contact that was incited by the umpire
3) Missing a plane for reasons unknown.
And don’t remember, the game he got suspended on was one where he battled back without his best stuff, and didn’t lose it until he felt that he’d gotten a bad call — and even then, he was turning away when the ump bumped him.
I know. You don’t believe any of that. Zambrano’s so SELFISH.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Nope, those are the three
1) Legging out a bunt single and getting himself injured
2) Getting suspended for 6 games for acting like three-year-old
3) Missing a plane in violation of team rules
Three incidents for one gem isn’t a high rate of return.
I’d even take one for one at this point.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
at this point
I don’t think I give a damn what you’d take.
Because in the end, you’ll either take what you get, or you won’t. And it won’t make a damn bit of different.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
A WHIP of 1.4 is bad
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 6, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
it's
middling. If it were up around 1.8, that would be bad. But I included it because I figured that if I didn’t, someone would accuse me of ignoring the bad.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I can see where
you’re coming from on this Tim and I agree with you. He drives me crazy at times but I’m glad he is a Cub.
Bottom line, IMO.
Zambrano’s a little bit nuts. I love him and he’s my favorite active Cub, but there’s no denying he’s got one or two screws loose. When he says something like this, I don’t think you can take at face value, just like when Lou says he’s gonna do something like play Soriano at 2nd. Zambrano is not able to predict his own feelings 3-4 years down the line. Maybe he retires, but I doubt it. It’s hard for any competitor to walk away from a game they can still play well. Look at Brett Favre. Look at Tom Glavine’s comeback attempts. If he does retire, oh well, it’s a sad day, but that day’s not coming up for a long while.
+36
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
and there is a good chance
Zambrano was saying this tongue in cheek, and is laughing his ass off at the results of it
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 6, 2009 3:36 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
that would be
awesome.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
If he did.....
… then he truly is an ass, because given his history, he does enough stuff to create controversy without trying.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
Maybe the next time he decides to make a joke, he will consult you and let you know when he's not being serious.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 7, 2009 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions
actually if he is joking
that is a good thing, means he is in good form after the media ripped him apart.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Read the story about Ryan Dempster in todays' S-T
for a story about real sacrifice and agony.
Brought to you by the evil media.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
I see where you missed the part where the article says
Dempster, who has tried to keep his family’s ordeal separated from his professional and public life, consented to the Sun-Times article, in part to help raise awareness for a condition that often goes undiagnosed or misdiagnosed in infants for lack of a genetic test.
Also:
’It’s not fair for me to be a different exception,‘’ he said. ’’I don’t know what somebody else is dealing with in their personal life. You’ve still got to go out there and do your job.
Quite. And so is Carlos Zambrano. And we could do well to remember that.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions
I really don't see where that helps your position
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
of course you don't.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
I knew you'd say that
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
I don't, either
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 7, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I know.
Somehow, it’s ok for Demp to not tell people about certain things, but not Z.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Dempster hs a legitimate issue
Reply whatever you want; I’m done with this.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 7, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions
and the only reason you know about Dempster's issue
is because a reporter let it slip.
Maybe we don’t know about Z’s issues because he’s not talking about them, because he doesn’t want a reporter to let them slip.
Be done with it, if you like. The fact of the matter remains, we have no right into these guys’ private lives, and we cannot speculate without facts.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Dempster has no reason to mistrust the media in this city. Carlos does.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by puckishcubsfan on Jun 7, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Unless the media is David Kaplan . . .
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 7, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Right... Dempster is stoically and even heroically
dealing with an issue that is the worst nightmare of every parent
Zambrano is whining about missing Mother’s Day.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
I should be so lucky
Met my mother? She looks like the mom on Everyone Loves Raymond and has the personality of the mom on Two and Half Men. I wish I was kidding.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
LOL
This redeems this entire thread. Kudos, BeerCub!
"I'll never forget how I felt last October." ~Kosuke Fukudome
I would have agreed with you
until my mother passed, now I regret every mothers day I didnt spend with her
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
you don't know
what Z is or isn’t missing. That’s the point. No one knew about Dempster’s daughter’s issue till a reporter let it out accidentally.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Z said himself
That he had missed 12 Mother’s Days.
He said it himself.
I’m sure that won’t be enough evidence for you, because it conflicts with your world view.
It was guys like you, screaming EVIDENCE! EVIDENCE! EVIDENCE! for things that are plainly obvious, that caused scientists to get burned at the stake centuries ago.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
sigh.
hyperbolic comment is hyperbolic.
You don’t know WHAT ELSE Z is missing. And if he’s unhappy about missing Mother’s Day with his mother, what right do you have to suggest that he shouldn’t feel that way? Geez.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Damn, Drew...
Were you part of the Spanish Inquisition? Burning people isn’t cool…
Pumping sunshine for the Cubs since 1968 (yeah, that's right I was a Cubs fan in the womb!)
by CubFanInCanberra (9387milesfromWrigley) on Jun 8, 2009 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions
The Inquisition!
What a show!
The Inquisition! Here we go!
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
No one expects the Spanish Inquisiton
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 8, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
He has every right to his feelings
And I have every right to point out that they are irrational, whiny, and insignificant.
I have EVERY right to suggest that he get damn over it and suck it up like the rest of the workforce that has to miss holidays.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
how can you
have any idea if someone’s feelings are irrational, whiny and insignificant? Good gravy.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 8, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Because he TOLD us what he was feeling
Unless he was lying, and then he is using his mother to vent about God knows what else.
He’s a whiner or a liar, I guess.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
he told you what he was upset about
you’re the one applying the judgment call without any relevant data.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 8, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions

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