Out-Of-Control MLB Office Upholds Jermaine Dye Suspension
by Al on Jun 6, 2009 7:31 AM CDT
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These people really do have to be stopped. Check out the incident which resulted in a two-game suspension for the White Sox' Jermaine Dye:
Dye said he was somewhat surprised by Major League Baseball's decision not to reduce the two-game penalty for a May 13 incident in which he slammed his helmet after being called out on strikes by umpire Mike DiMuro with the bases loaded in a game at Cleveland. The helmet bounced, striking DiMuro.
Let me get this straight. He slammed his helmet down in frustration -- you've all seen other players do this, right? -- and it accidentally hits the umpire.
And for this he gets suspended? And the idiots in charge uphold the suspension even though there was NO argument, NO incident involving any umpiring decision, and the "contact" with the umpire was completely an accident?
This has to be stopped. This flies in the face of decency and common sense. The "rule" that any "contact" with an umpire is an automatic suspension must be eliminated.
This wouldn't have happened if Bart Giamatti were still alive. Come to think of it, it might not have happened if Bud Selig were still alive, either.
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I would reduce it to one game
Or maybe a severe fine, but I wouldn’t let it go entirely.
I get that in this incident, it was an accident. But I also get baseball wanting to make sure someone doesn’t throw a helmet, ball or bat overhand and then claim “IT SLIPPED!”
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by Worf on Jun 6, 2009 7:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
unbelievable.
why not simply have the umps go out onto the field and decide who gets hits and who strikes out and who wins? The players don’t need to be involved. After all, it’s not really baseball. It’s UMPBALL!
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look, I get that you want umps to be shot on sight
But at some point, reasonable people wish to protect the safety of officials
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by Worf on Jun 6, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hyperbolic comment is hyperbolic
the umpires are in far more danger of being hit with a wild pitch, foul ball, or line drive than anything else.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's part of the game though
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by Bricks and Ivy on Jun 6, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we should
place them in bulletproof cages. It doesn’t matter that they won’t be able to see every play, because they will have decided the outcome of the game already.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh boy
Hyperbole is claiming that MB was victimized or the story about the umpire charging Z who was retreating.
by ol Pete on Jun 6, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
MB got jobbed, and the Umpire clearly moved into Z.
You’re never going to get it. You’re unable to separate your personal dislike for the Cubs from your posts. And you’re never going to recognize the hypocrisy of coming over here and doing exactly what gets other people banned from the other BCB.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MB got a sweet deal
I like some Cubs a lot and there are others I admire for their abilities. You’re crying wolf with your claim that reasonable people get banned over at BCB or that I have said or done anything that is even remotely out of line.
by ol Pete on Jun 6, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re crying wolf with your claim that reasonable people get banned over at BCB or that I have said or done anything that is even remotely out of line.
Uh-huh. Keep digging.
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
need a new shovel?
you’ve about worn that one out.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Union
I’ve sad this before but it’s time for the players union to start making noise.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Jun 6, 2009 8:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes because THAT has always fixed baseball's problems
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by Worf on Jun 6, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
There usually is a fine for throwing equipment, not a suspension and especially not
two games. Did they even look at the tape? It’s obvious that he wasn’t trying to hit the umpire with the helmet. I think this is extremely excessive.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 6, 2009 9:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What are they trying to do? Come up with the world’s stupidest fine justifications? First Padilla now this? Good riddance to Bud Selig when he croaks.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jun 6, 2009 9:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He deserves
two games. If Bradley gets 1 for what he did, Dye should get 2. I don’t think they’re out of control in any way. He hit an umpire with his helmet. Accidental or not, there needs to be punishment.
Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.
by TCobb1911 on Jun 6, 2009 9:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Out of control
in any way on this matter**
Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.
by TCobb1911 on Jun 6, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree
don’t slam your helmet like a child and accidents like this won’t happen
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by Bricks and Ivy on Jun 6, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MLB 2009:
Don’t show any emotion. Don’t get upset. Don’t get fired up. Here, have this Xanex.
Great googly moogly. o.0
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
isn't xanex
on the list of banned substances?
by tim815 on Jun 6, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
honestly
I don’t know. But if a player were suffering from depression, I’m sure it could be prescribed.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm.
So you’d apply this rule to Milton Bradley, right? The guy you want to show some “passion”?
I swear, MLB wants to turn players into mindless robots.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 6, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think there is a small space
between punishing players for throwing equipment towards umpires and “mindless robots.”
by ol Pete on Jun 6, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one "threw equipment at umpires" in this situation.
Now I see you for who you really are. You’re not just anti-Cub; you’re anti-anything on this site.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 6, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 6, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
about time.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you're going to use quotation marks
you should actually use quotes. Of course he threw equipment towards an umpire.
by ol Pete on Jun 6, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, really?
Got proof? Or are you just here to antagonize?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 6, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would apply
the rule 100% if it were Bradley. Bradley tapped the umpire with the bill of his cap. That is completely accidental. When you throw you helmet down you know it can bounce anywhere. He hit an official with his helmet. Its uncalled for. And I’ve seen the video multiple times. To me, it seemed like it was spiked on the ground intentionally to get near the umpire. He knew the ump was directly behind him. I can’t believe that anyone would have a problem with a guy getting a 2 game suspension for hitting an umpire in the chest with his helmet.
What if it hits the umpire in the face? Causes a gash, or something of that nature? Intention has nothing to do with it. It has nothing to do with being a robot. Its funny that you Al, as many, are getting tired of Zambrano, but don’t take issue with a guy, intentional or not, hitting an umpire with his helmet.
I would be fine with a one game suspension, but since Milton eventually got one game out of it, I think Dye surely deserves two.
Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.
by TCobb1911 on Jun 6, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It appeared accidental to me....
… it could have easily bounced in the other direction, away from the umpire.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 6, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is irrelevant Al...
If someone throws something out of frustration and it strikes someone in the workplace, there will be discipline. It wouldn’t matter if he meant to hit the person or not.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." --Alvin Dark
by preachermancubsfan on Jun 6, 2009 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the discipline
is based on the intent. that’s why there’s a difference between murder, manslaughter and unintentional manslaughter.
Not that bouncing a baseball helmet is anything like those crimes. o.0
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, to be fair...
Ill use your murder, manslaughter, and unintentional manslaughter. All the three are felonies, right?
If throwing a helmet was killing someone…
What dye did=unintentional manslaughter, couple games suspension
Throwing a helmet in the vicinity = manslaughter, few more games (10?)
Striking an umpire maliciously with a helmet=murder, many games suspension/50-75-100 games?
The crime fit the punishment. You can expect something like this to go undisciplined. If you do think it can happen, go throw something out of frustration where you work, hit someone. Then tell everyone you didn’t mean to, and see if you get into trouble.
I know this is nothing like murder, or anything else. I was simply making a point.
Of course throwing a helmet isn’t murder or anything else,
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by preachermancubsfan on Jun 7, 2009 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
*can't expect*
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by preachermancubsfan on Jun 7, 2009 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think a fine would be warranted, not a suspension.
All I’m saying is that the knee-jerk idea that ANY contact with an umpire, no matter what the intent or the situation, warrants automatic suspension, has to be revisited. Each situation needs to be analyzed individually. This situation warranted a fine, not suspension.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 7, 2009 5:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With all due respect...
Your the only person I’ve seen that wrote about this incident that has been on dye’s side.
Your opinion is yours, my opinion is mine. Just because they are our opinion, it doesn’t make either right.
I don’t think that ANY contact should warrant a suspension, but this isn’t just ANY contact. He hit an ump with a piece of equipment. Whether it was intentional or not, it is different than something like the Bradley incident.
I think that you are trying to find any incident you can to try to prove your thesis. While I probably agree with your contact idea, this incident should not be used to try to proveyour point. It is different than something like the Bradley incident.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." --Alvin Dark
by preachermancubsfan on Jun 7, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, he didn't "hit an ump with a piece of equipment".
He threw his helmet down in anger. It bounced and hit an ump. That was an accident. You are writing as if it was intentionally thrown. It wasn’t.
A fine is justified. A suspension wasn’t.
Your opinion is different from mine, yes. Each of us is entitled to it.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 7, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, ill just agree to disagree
I’m not referring that he did it intentionally, I’m identifying the fact that it happened. Even though it was unintentional. It happened.
You are in the minority of opinion of this isolated incident. It’s a sportsmanship issue, work ethic issue, safety issue, and setting a good example to young fans issue.
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by preachermancubsfan on Jun 7, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
line me up with Al, then. Intent matters. Clearly, Dye did not have any intent of hitting the ump. It’s not like the mass/intertia dynamics of a batting helmet are common knowledge.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, intent does matter...
I agree with you…if the MLB thought he intended for the helmet to hit him the suspension would have been much more severe…
mlb DID take into consideration intent.
All my disagreement with Al and youself is simply this…I believe the suspension was ok, you two do not. I can agree to disagree and go on…
If u knew me personally you’d understand better. I’m a stickler for following rules, hardcore. I also don’t really feel alot of pity for those punished people who break the rules. Thats just how I was raised.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." --Alvin Dark
by preachermancubsfan on Jun 7, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand and accept your position.
Me, I think common sense and analysis of each situation is better than blindly following “rules”, especially when the “rules” don’t make sense.
Have you ever been falsely accused of doing something and punished because you broke rules, even when you knew you didn’t? If so, you’d understand why this sort of “zero-tolerance” thing is unacceptable.
My personal opinion, of course, nothing more.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 7, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you ever been falsely accused of doing something and punished because you broke rules, even when you knew you didn’t? If so, you’d understand why this sort of "zero-tolerance" thing is unacceptable.
I think I’ve had this discussion with Max. :D
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I sit at home after the Cubs lose and wanna pound sand but I know I live in a state without that kinda land. I know in my heart Sori isn't a guess hitting hack and that Dero will never be back. Pitching is King, some do say and hopefully Aaron Miles doesn't play in a Cub uniform another day. By October this I know, to the playoffs we are for sure to go. Go Cubbies!!
by cubsluver22 on Jun 6, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fine
There is an automatic fine for throwing equipment. You will generally see the umpire make some kind of gesture pointing out that the action will result in a fine.
But, Bud’s idiot in chief of discipline, Boob Watson (no it is not a typo) just doesn’t get it. Now, I hate the sux with a passion. But this is wrong. However, if the sux lose both games, I can live with it (I kid, I kid.)
Baseball really needs to get under control the umpires and disciplinary actions. The feeling is that umpires can act with impunity. A player or manager? The slightest slip and boom, you’re suspended. You need to look at intent. A fine is warranted, a suspension? No.
Bud and Boob really screwed this up years ago with Robby Alomar. Alomar spit in the face of an umpire. There is no doubt. Look at the video. He got seven games )he should have gotten 70.) That’s one more than Z got for bashing a Gatorade machine and heaving a ball into left field.
I feel that ever since the Alomar incident, they have been trying to get a grasp on this and have been failing misreably.
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by cubfred on Jun 6, 2009 9:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And that is when you can really trace the umpire aggressiveness
Umpires ever since that day have acted as if they have no confidence that baseball will protect them.
So they get aggressive. Players react. Baseball tries to look as if it had done something.
I do agree that two games is too much, but the penalty for throwing things is a valid one, if only because when you throw things in anger, you don’t know where the objects are going.
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by Worf on Jun 6, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with the fine, but does Bud really think the players are going to
start chucking equipment at players if he doesn’t sit Dye for two games? Did they even look at the tape? It was clear that he was tossing the helmet out frustration and was not directing it at the umpire. If you bump an ump in an argument you have to be in close proximity with him arguing a point. He was walking in the opposite direction. This is crazy.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 6, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate to say it
But baseball (and the other sports) could take a page from hockey.
I really am surprised more sports haven’t incorporated penalty minutes.
I bring this up because I feel that even one game, in this situation, is a bit much. But I also know that fines mean little.
He gets three innings!
Commence flames!
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by Worf on Jun 6, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now there's an idea I haven't heard yet.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 6, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So after the three innings he gets to come back in the game?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 6, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or he gets to be used as a pinch-hitter
or whatever. I haven’t really worked it all out.
The idea comes from Jeff Van Gundy, who has suggested suspending players for a quarter or a half instead of a whole game.
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by Worf on Jun 6, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I'll make a FanPost about it later
But I have to go… that lawn isn’t going to mow itself
Until then, good people!
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by Worf on Jun 6, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TECHNICAL BALK!
the umps need to have LESS control over the game, not more. They’re not there to effect the outcome. They’re there to call balls, strikes, safes and outs.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The umpires wouldn't issue inning suspensions
Baseball would
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by Worf on Jun 6, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
based on calls that your perfect
angelic, evenhanded imaginary umpires.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The umpires are there to control the game.
Some people on this site have absolutely no idea what the umpires job is and isn’t.
"Live and be happy, beloved children of my heart, and never forget that until the day comes when God will deign to reveal the future to man, all human wisdom is contained in these words: wait and hope!" - The Count of Monte Cristo
by Bricks and Ivy on Jun 6, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
yes, but if you wait long enough, Cubbie Tim will come and post
what an umpire’s actual job is.
Here’s a hint: it’s NOT control the game.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hint: it is to control the game
and that is without question. Tim likes to post chapters that are irrelevant. His conclusion that umpires should retreat from all players is and was completely unsupported by his posting of huge segments of text.
by ol Pete on Jun 6, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are incorrect.
as usual. The ump’s job is to OBSERVE the game, call balls and strikes. The players control the game.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Baseball rules
9.04
The umpire-in-chief shall stand behind the catcher. (He usually is called the plate umpire.) His duties shall be to:
(1) Take full charge of, and be responsible for, the proper conduct of the game;(2) Call and count balls and strike;
(3) Call and declare fair balls and fouls except those commonly called by field umpires;
(4) Make all decisions on the batter;
(5) Make all decisions except those commonly reserved for the field umpires;
(6) Decide when a game shall be forfeited;
(7) If a time limit has been set, announce the fact and the time set before the game starts;
(8) Inform the official scorer of the official batting order, and any changes in the lineups and batting order, on request;
(9) Announce any special ground rules, at his discretion.
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/umpires/rules_interest.jsp#9.00
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by Worf on Jun 6, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you have fallen into the trap of the clause.
take out the parts between the commas, and you have:
“Take full charge of the proper contact of the game.”
That means making sure that the game is played according to the rules, NOT to control the game itself.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the idea that the players run the game
good stuff
by ol Pete on Jun 6, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone would bat .800
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by Worf on Jun 6, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's not my fault
if you can’t read.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Drew there is no reason to
Pete ignored them last time also
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 6, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You failed to make an argument
despite repeated requests. You just posted huge sections of text, asked if they were read and wondered why anyone disagreed with you. The text didn’t say anything remotely like what you claimed or you would have actually used sections of text to make your argument. I can’t ignore what doesn’t exist.
by ol Pete on Jun 6, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what bogus lies from you there
more than once I pointed where you were ignoring the facts and you continued to do so. I got tired of feeding a Troll named Pete, and quit replying.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 6, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and for the record
before Ol Pete tries to run circles around it, here is the exact post he stopped replying to, where I point out his rubbish here
you have commented here on two of the three MB and the Ump
Z and the Ump
Maggs and the Ump
You are so full of it, saying
I’m not sure what the 3 situations are you’re referring to.seeing as I start me comment with
Ol Pete Please tell me, do you truly feel that the Ump in this incident (as well as the one with MB and Maggs) that the Umps involved followed the following
Of course there was rules and regulations that were in the thread that the Umps DID NOT follow, and I was asking Ol Pete about them.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 6, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea what you're getting at there
but your dramatic condemnation of the umpires with posts of long segments of regulations never provided substance to your claim that umpires were supposed to retreat in the face of aggressive players.
by ol Pete on Jun 6, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and your brilliant
inability to actually have a discussion here, you direct ability to avoid facts and statements that show your ignorance, and the fact you only come into a conversation here that you can stir shit up. you seem to look for ways to avoid any reasonable conversations, and I have never seen you in a thread where the conversation is respectable. until you can show me one reason to give a rats behind about you, I will just ignore you and accept that you are one notch below BLou.
and what was i getting at above is simple. When you flat lied adn played stupid in the post above it, and I called you out for it, you disappeared from that thread. Why cant you disappear again?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 6, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clear?
To the contrary it looks like he was throwing it in the direction of the umpire.
by ol Pete on Jun 6, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and it looked like Dempster hit Braun in the head too, right?
Please Ol Pete, just go back to your BCB and leave us alone
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 6, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree it's an Alomar backlash
and Bud is part of the problem. Until we get a decent commissioner, this is what we have.
I wonder if an NHL player got pissed at a call and slammed his helmet, accidentally hitting a ref, what would happen?
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by BigJohnAZ on Jun 6, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's a different sport.
if i fight breaks out in hockey they usually don’t get suspended.
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by Bricks and Ivy on Jun 6, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fighting is a part of hockey so that doesn't compare
Hockey players also don’t go after the ref, they bitch and moan on their way to the penalty box. Baseball players tend to get in the ump’s face. If a hockey player threw his stick, puck or helmet, you can bet he’d get a game misconduct.
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by BigJohnAZ on Jun 6, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Z got suspended for the Gatorade machine and the ball throw?
by ol Pete on Jun 6, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
6 games
The news made it to Racine . . . didn’t it get to Milwaukee?
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 6, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no it didn't
I know all about his huge tantrum. I know about his suspension. Where was it reported that he got suspended for smashing the Gatorade machine?
by ol Pete on Jun 6, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't you think it was for his actions in their entirety?
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 6, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd think there were specific actions that were actionable
Gatorade coolers and machines get smashed with regularity and I’m unaware of anyone ever getting suspended for it. Arguing that Z was suspended for smashing the machine and throwing the ball ignores the gorilla in the room and is almost certainly false.
by ol Pete on Jun 6, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, the Gatorade cooler likely had nothing to do with it
And you likely realize that the original poster understood why Zambrano was suspended. However, it’s more fun to throw rocks at a hornet’s nest, isn’t it?
You do come across as someone who’s not really interested in discussion so much as stirring the pot.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 6, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You always complain about facts
The original poster made a claim that was almost certainly false.
by ol Pete on Jun 6, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yawn
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 6, 2009 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the gorilla in the room
are you sure it isnt a Yeti, or Bigfoot?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 6, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
my guess
contacting the umpire, failing to leave the game when ejected, delaying the game – that’s off the top of my head
by ol Pete on Jun 6, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
“Inappropriate and violent actions on the field and in the dugout”
The contact was never cited. “In the dugout” is specifically cited.
by redward on Jun 7, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
in fact
you could make the argument that the contact with the ump (which was caused by the ump) wasn’t part of the suspension at all.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but at least
with alomar, they delayed the suspension from the playoffs until games the next season. that was beyond stupid.
by tim815 on Jun 6, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come to think of it, it might not have happened if Bud Selig were still alive, either.
Line of the day.
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by Goodie1969 on Jun 6, 2009 9:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If MLB hadn't mandated that players must wear helmets...
this would be a non-issue!
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by digitalbenjamin on Jun 6, 2009 10:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Could Have Poked An Eye Out
Accident or not, JD should have gotten into at least a little bit of trouble. That helmet could have came up and really poked the umps eye out. We don’t need blind umpires in baseball. Hold it… um… well… it still could have poked an eye out.
by TheHawkRules on Jun 6, 2009 12:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes
with it’s smooth sloping sides… :P
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The bill man... that's dangerous!
Could maybe cut a head in half… if it was sharpened and stuff.
lol (my cold medicine is kicking in.)
by TheHawkRules on Jun 6, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what if the ump wasnt paying attention
and his back was to Dye, and the helmet got stuck in the Umps read, causing him to need surgery. Thisnis a serious issue, and should be corrected with all batters needing to have a strap on their helmets and forced to wear them in the field of play as well as at bat
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 6, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus, they need to be cushioned on both sides.
can’t ever be too careful.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good call
maybe they should wear the foam sumo outfits for safety, dont want anyone to get hurt sliding
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 6, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that the new standard wear?
oh, nice helmet too….
by TheHawkRules on Jun 8, 2009 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, that suspension is complete crap.
New poster btw, hi guys!
by ARob1 on Jun 6, 2009 12:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Welcome aboard. Do you hate Big Z too?
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"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 6, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not at all.
I’m was entertained by what he said… as long as he keeps pitching well, I’ve got no problem with the big guy.
by ARob1 on Jun 6, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just kidding. Most of the posts lately have been about him and Sammy. Good to have you on the team.
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"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 6, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is pure insanity
Dye is not known as a ass, he is a classy guy IMO. His helmet bounced into the ump, OMG stop the presses….What is next, suspend a SS for a ball skipping past the first baseman and landing in the crowd?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 6, 2009 12:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
clearly
throwing at the fans is not to be tolerated. Intent has no meaning.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watching the Mets game last night
and there were two terrible call in one inning. The first allowed the Mets to score a run without which they would have lost, the second had a Mets runner out who was clearly safe.The broadcasters were beside themselves at how BAD the umpiring was and they did not care if it helped the Mets win the game. They said that it had never been this bad and went back to the strike after which many of the best umpires were fired. I used to have a lot of respect for umpires but this is out of hand and the MLB office is mostly to blame.
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by Doggie Stalker on Jun 6, 2009 1:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dye deserved a suspension...
… maybe it should have been reduced to one game, but he got what he deserved. I don’t buy Dye’s claims of innocence. He may not have meant to hit the ump but he tossed it towards where he knew the ump was standing. The helmet hit the ump. Intentional or not, he did hit the ump so suspension was justified.
With Quentin on the DL and the Sox offense sputtering the timing hurts the Sox even worse. Dumb move on the part of Dye.
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by DrCrawdad on Jun 6, 2009 2:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No date set yet
By the foot: While he would not set a return date, injured Carlos Quentin said his left plantar fasciitis was “getting better everyday. Some days are better than others. But it’s improving overall.”
Quentin, on the DL since May 26, has been taking some swings with a bat, “but it’s limited because I’m wearing a [protective] boot.”
Foot pain is as aggravating as it gets for an athlete.
“I’d say that’s accurate,” Quentin said. “There’s pain involved. You kind of look at the area and wonder how it can have so much impact. You feel better and then it [gets] aggravated.”
I’ve got plantar fasciitis. It’s been a constant irritant the last year for me. Hopefully since CQ is quite a bit younger than me he’ll get over it but it can be a nagging injury.
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by DrCrawdad on Jun 6, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's another fascinating tidbit from the official rules
9.02
(a) Any umpire’s decision which involves judgment, such as, but not limited to, whether a batted ball is fair or foul, whether a pitch is a strike or a ball, or whether a runner is safe or out, is final. No player, manager, coach or substitute shall object to any such judgment decisions.
So in theory, the umps could eject anyone for questioning any call. The umps actually show quite a bit of patience with these rulebreakers!
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by Worf on Jun 6, 2009 3:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
find the part
where it says that the ump can bump a player, and then eject that player for contact.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is no part
But the ump could have ejected Zambrano the second he protested the call. Zambrano actually got plenty of say in the matter.
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by Worf on Jun 6, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
the ump could have. Instead, the ump chose to instigate contact, and make an actual incident of it.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And you would have been soooooooo supportive
of the ump had he ejected Zambrano straightaway
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by Worf on Jun 6, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
probably not.
but if I have to choose between Z getting ejected prematurely and the ump goading Z into a suspension, I’m pretty sure I know which one I’d pick. Hindsight is 20-20.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 6, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zambrano...
… may have been suspended w/o the alleged contact by the ump because he was so over the top. Pile on Zambrano’s history of such conduct (conduct too that could be seen as trying to incite Cubs fans) it’s no surprise that he got the suspension.
Zambrano’s a great ballplayer. He really needs to cool it. If not he’ll likely do something even more over the top. Although some would say he already has.
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by DrCrawdad on Jun 6, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But if they were to say that
Half this board would say they are hating him or rooting for the Cardinals or Brewers
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 7, 2009 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hardly half.
One or two people, perhaps.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm apparently in the minority on this...
but it doesn’t seem to me out of line to enforce a rule that aims to discourage players from chucking equipment in the immediate proximity of an umpire. Whether or not the technicality of which rule they applied was the right one, the spirit behind “don’t chuck stuff near an umpire” sounds within the bound of the rules.
For one, intentionally chucking equipment near an umpire seems to me about the same level of attempted intimidation as it does to chest bump him.
As for this case being an “accident.” Well that may be, but “hard cases make for bad law.” It’s the reason why you still get a ticket for running a red light, whether you meant to or not.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 6, 2009 5:23 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree.
"People shouldn’t bust your chops just because you’re a Sox fan on a Cub board — but I know it happens. FWIW, I think sites like this are more interesting when fans of other teams join in the conversation." by Shanghai Badger on Mar 13, 2009
by DrCrawdad on Jun 6, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to disagree with you here al
Your wrong. I use wrenches at my work and if I got angry and threw one that hit someone, I’d be in trouble. Even if i meant to hit them or not. If a person does something at the workplace that hurts someone else then there has to be discipline.
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by preachermancubsfan on Jun 6, 2009 6:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not disagreeing with you re: some sort of discipline.
Just the type of discipline.
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by Al on Jun 7, 2009 5:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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