Soriano is...
by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 8:54 AM CDT
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This is your opportunity to share your opinions of Alfonso Soriano...if you so desire. I must say I have always maintained a fairly neutral stance on him yet after last nights game, I realized I am sick and tired of his lazy assed ways. Watching this guy fireld his position is painful. It isn't just the routes he takes to balls it is his weak excuse of an effort to make plays that in turn, cost this team runs.
Several plays this series already and even in Atlanta, I have watched him lolligag his way around LF and just plain suck as a LF. Yes he can also be a pain at the plate but this dude seems like he couldn't give 2 ______s about playing quality baseball when on defense. I know that the guy can hit when he is streaking but balance in a player is key and has this, he does not. Someone recently asked if he was the leader this team is looking for and to that I say...ABSOLUTELY NOT.
Dude puts in little effort. I say spend less time hopping around like a fool in LF and start learning to field your position.
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Did I hear Brenly correctly last night?
I could have sworn he said that Soriano seems disinterested in the field the last few days.
That alone bothers me…I’m for resting him for a couple days….maybe he can get that spark back.
by ak123 on Jun 7, 2009 9:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I know he said he takes horible routes
which is true but when he reaches for a ball, he just does it so half assed it seems like a big FU to anyone who cares whether he actually makes that catch.
I hate lolligaggers.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What Brenly said was he misjudged the play and played it badly. He did not say he was disinterested or lolligagging.
This is an example of typical runaway meatball fan.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Jun 7, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are the only meatball here...
I SAID HE WAS LOLLIGAGGING.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You LOLLYGAG AROUND THE BASES...
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jun 7, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jun 7, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love it.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO YOUR HEARING IS FINE.....
And from what I saw Brenley was correct . I however feel that nothing can be done about it . Given the state of shambles the team is in ….
by cubs north on Jun 7, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shambles
seems a bit hyperbolic, but I will say Soriano needs to get it in gear yesterday.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 7, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So who are you rooting for to win the division Cardinals or Brewers?
Brenley did not say he was lolligagging or even close to it.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Jun 7, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hoo boy, here we go again
you criticized the Cubs, therefore, you hate them
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 7, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
"Live and be happy, beloved children of my heart, and never forget that until the day comes when God will deign to reveal the future to man, all human wisdom is contained in these words: wait and hope!" - The Count of Monte Cristo
by Bricks and Ivy on Jun 7, 2009 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Diinterested in the field
and disinterested at the plate. I’ve been pretty neutral towards Soriano in the past and neutral towards him leading off. His outfield play is what it is. It’s never been good, but that’s not why anyone would sign him. It’s for his bat. His bat, however, is atrocious right now. I think it’s probably the main reason why the Cub offense has been soon bad these past few weeks. He hasn’t had 2 hits in a game since may 17. In that time, he’s also only had more than 2 total bases once, and that was the one game he hit a HR in.
Yes, the other guys haven’t been lights out either, but he has to move down the order, or, better yet, take a few days off. Piniella let Soto rest and it looks like that might be having some benefit. Soriano looks injured. I know the knee is bothering him, but he has to move down. he’s a professional and he has to learn how to hit lower in the lineup. This hot and cold can’t continue at the top of the order for the next 5 years.
While the White Sox seem to be sucking again, they won 10 out of 14 games when they moved Podsednick to leadoff. I don’t think he’s a guy who can be effective there for an extended period of time, but the did give the White Sox a nice burst of energy because he played the traditional leadoff spot well. .
by jerry morales rules on Jun 7, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Typical meatball fan. A player having a slump means he’s loafing or disinterested.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Jun 7, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know what?
I’ll say it for an untold number of posters here- I’m sick of YOU. I’m sick of occasionally defending you, only to regret it when you call other people names and general about them and their “hatred” or they “root” for some other team because they dare to criticize. Just shut up already.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Jun 7, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was cited as having “blind hate” the other day, in fact. Which was news to me.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jun 7, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes for posting a personal attack on a player. I don’t attack well thought out attacks on how they are PLAYING even if I disagree with it.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Jun 7, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The difference is that we are talking about players we will never meet and don’t know anything about.
You’re attacking me (and others), whom are real people, and participate in this board on a regular basis. Your protection and propensity to care more about people you will never meet over those that are real persons and active in the BCB board is quite silly.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jun 7, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was reacting to their posts. Find a post I said that about that wasn’t filled with personal attacks against a player.
And saying a player is disinterested because he is slumping is as meatball as they come.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Jun 7, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would suggest....
…. that you need to evaluate whether your reactions are proper and/or correct. I would suggest that you need to consider not calling every critical post on a player a “personal attack”, as you just did as I write this. I would suggest no one is rooting for the Brewers because they say they don’t like the way the Cub roster is constructed. I would suggest no one is rooting for Zambrano to fail because they think he’s got a screw loose. In fact, quite the contrary. I happen to think Zambrano does have a screw loose. However, I want him to do extremely well each and every time out, because that means he won’t be throwing tantrums and being a distraction to the team.
Finally, I would strongly suggest, if you don’t agree with the above, that you take the time to think it all over again and again and again.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Jun 7, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 7 recs
+ A LOT
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MAKE IT GREEN
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jun 7, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd again
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 7, 2009 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 7, 2009 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
a well paid left fielder who will be around Chicago for a long time
by rlpete on Jun 7, 2009 9:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe, Maybe Not
At this juncture, I think they’ve got him for a few more years yet, but best case scenario, with a year or two or three to go on his deal, possibly Soriano gets hot near the trading deadline and the Cubs unload him on some contending A.L. team, with the Cubs eating a portion of the contract. Unfortunately, that’s the best plausible thing I could come up with. Money portion aside, most of us were pretty happy when the Cubs signed him. Not so much anymore.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Jun 7, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good luck ever finding a team to take Soriano
Not with THAT contract when you pile on his current age and the fact that he disappears for long-stretches, to include the PLAYOFFS. Nope. Cub are stuck with that contract for 5 1/2 more years. It is an albatross around the neck of Jim Hendry and his successor (who by the way can’t replace Hendry soon enough).
You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little messed up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?
by BLou on Jun 7, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus injury prone
He’s been healthy for the most part this year (knee aside). I don’t think anyone will take on a contract that size with the chance he might only play 75% of the season.
by ak123 on Jun 7, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Did Say.......
… with the Cubs eating a portion (I didn’t say how much) and him getting hot. I also said with one to two to three years to go on it.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Jun 7, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't agree before, but in the last two weeks, I've come around on your assesment of Hendry
Probably a nice guy, lousy organizational builder, obsessed with fixing the problem du jour at the expense of the big picture. He needs to go.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 7, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
disregarding the NTC again?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 7, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again...
…I didn’t say now, I said later. If and when my scenario ever happens, things could be a lot differet. He might accept trade to be a DH somewhere, who knows.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Jun 7, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A guess hitting hack and one of the worst contracts in baseball for what he is
You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little messed up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?
by BLou on Jun 7, 2009 9:31 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Killing the Cubs!
Brenly did say he look disinterested in left field and I agree. He looked terrible on Friday and Saturday. His bat has not looked any better. Too me, if your the manager of the other team and your pitcher throws Fonzie anything but a slider away, they should be fined! Right now – Soriano is awful.
by jselinger24 on Jun 7, 2009 9:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I was pretty upset with him in the first inning last night.
The double that Chris Dickerson hit to the wall died on the first couple of bounces, yet Soriano jogged after it slowly as though he had no idea Hairston was burning around the bases like his hair was on fire. His relay throw to Theriot was fine (once he actually got the ball) and Ryan threw a strike to Geo, but it was just a second too late. A little more hustle on that play, just a little more urgency on Soriano’s part, and Hairston is probably out at home. That put me off quite a bit.
"I'll never forget how I felt last October." ~Kosuke Fukudome
by Goodie1969 on Jun 7, 2009 9:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
DISINTERESTED ????
Well that is a nice way to put it…Cubs are stuck with Soriano for at least 5 more long years . His defense is getting worse and he is again swinging at some real poor pitches . Wonder if his bat will ever get hot again ????
by cubs north on Jun 7, 2009 9:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A maddeningly frustrating player to follow
Supremely talented, oft injured since he came here, good enough to transform himself into the best LF in the NL and a spot of worry as the years roll by
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jun 7, 2009 10:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the best LF in the league.
Period.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 10:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
Wait…sarcasm?
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nope.
by now, you should know how I feel about Alfonso Soriano. He got this team to the post season last year. He did it the year before. He can carry the team for weeks at a time. And he’s becoming a better lead-off hitter every game.
He’s the best LF in the league.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ouch!
I suppose then that I disagree 110%. Yes the guy can hit (at times) and I am fine with him as a leadoff hitter though I am surprised that you completely discount fielding skills as a major factor in what makes “the best LF in the league”.
The guy is plain shite in the field and he is lazy. I have trouble swallowing those characteristics as part of who the best LF in the league is. I would say he is one of the absolute worst LF in the entire game. He is a great offensive ballplayer at times but…
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you and BeerCub
must not have been around for a while, when the posts here had all the stats showing Drew to be correct
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 7, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
crickets
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 7, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually crying kids to be exact...
I don’t come around here much anymore but do know that I cannot remember one outfirld assist yet. I could be wrong but even if I am close, he is declining fast from what he was last season.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well its a bit like Deion Sanders in the NFL
Word has gotten around the league that you dont run on Soriano, so its only natural his assist numbers will drop, much like Deions INTs dropped b/c people knew better than to throw his way.
Sorianos arm makes up for whatever he might like in terms of routes to the ball or any perceived lack of range
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jun 7, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually I have seen several plays where he threw off line
or he chose not even to throw…despite the fact that the play would have likely been close.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
case closed
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Jun 7, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay?
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not really.
:D
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess so
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Jun 7, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the numbers
don’t lie. Soriano has the best arm in LF. He is moving back on the ball a lot better. He’s made several running and diving catches. There is no way to quantify “lazy”, but I don’t believe that he is.
He’s slumping now. Slumps effect both sides of play. He’ll come back and carry the team.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok then how about this
Overall this season he has not been lazy.
Last few games…he’s been lazier. I think he could have prevented atleast 2 runs with a little more hustle. One last night and one I think in Atlanta (I don’t remember the 2nd game I’m thinking of off the top of my head).
by ak123 on Jun 7, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll suggest
that over the last few games he hasn’t been playing as well as he could.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your blind loyalty.....
… while admirable, sees about as well as my, well, blind brother at times. If you’re talking left fielders as we argue over this, then I’ll take Raul Ibanez.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Jun 7, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you can take him
but not for the Cubs, please.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't take a 37 year old Ibanez.
But I get your point.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jun 7, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
carry the team for weeks?
he can also strike out everytime at the plate for weeks. From May 19th to yesterday’s game, Soriano has a .162 batting average in 74 PA , 11 H, 4 2B, 1 HR, 1 RBI, 5 BB, 24 SO. not so great
by lexmarklover on Jun 7, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure
he’s an amazingly streaky hitter.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
drew you're blind.
He’s not even the best left fielder in his division. That belongs to Ryan Braun, which pains me to the umpteenth degree to say.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jun 7, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm having a hard time understanding this logic.
Soriano’s defense is better, that’s clear. Both player’s total WAR over the last two full seasons and this one are comparable. Braun does a bit more with everything than Soriano does (proably because of age), and Braun is damn more consistent when he does it. The grass is always greener, but at this point I’d prefer someone who gets hits on a regular basis to someone that goes 2-29 then 14-20. It’s more than frustrating, it seems like a career lack of mental preparation.
It’s hard to take your comment seriously when I can name no less than two other DIVISIONAL left fielders that perhaps are better than Soriano, but you want to claim him as the best out of 29 other LFs.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jun 7, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the record:
2007-current WARs:
Braun: 9.1
Soriano: 8.9
From FanGraphs
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jun 7, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um
Adam Dunn
Ryan Braun
Carlos Lee
Raul Ibanez (the 2009 version at least)
Would all like a word with you.
I would take each of these guys in a second over Soriano. You want to say he’s the best defensive LF in the NL, fine, you win, that stat that showed up a while ago on here said that he saved the most runs from LF in the league.
But he doesn’t hustle, and I’d take all four of those guy’s bats over his any day of the week.
by WittyUserName on Jun 7, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They can get in line
behind the best LF in the league.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
What in the world are you talking about. He isn’t even an elite player if he’s not putting up another 40/40/40 campaign.
Do I think the Cubs need to dump him? No.
But he isn’t an amazing player just because of the uniform he wears. I have absolutely no idea how you can think he’s the best LF in the league.
by WittyUserName on Jun 7, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blind faith that the Chicago Cubs are the greatest team EVAAAAAAAAA
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jun 7, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nope.
at this point, that honor goes to the Yankees, who have won 26 Word Series Championships.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
because
the numbers support me. This is what I think. He’s SLUMPING right now. Ryan Braun will slump too. Dunn is a butcher on defense.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boy oh boy, you opened Pandora's box
In my opinion, he can be as good as he is bad. He’s able to carry the team alone for extended periods of time, as well as become a glaring hole, both offensively and defensively.
I’ve seen him dog it for 40 games, then lift the Cubs to first place within 30 games (circa 2007). This year, he hustled before his knee became injured. He’s as maddening as any player in the league, but his our maddening player.
This incarnation of the Cubs has other, bigger problems. I’d much rather focus on those.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jun 7, 2009 10:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Soriano is who he is.
A really talented, streak hitting, sometimes lackadaisical fielding player that will be on our team for years to come.
If you like him, yea, you will get more of him. If you don’t, then let me tell you that you’re stuck with him.
But the question should be how do we use him, move him down in the order so when the cold spells happen it doesn’t hurt the team as much. Yesterday has now been the 16th straight game without a multiple hit. That is a long stretch and hurts us on top of our lineup.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
by KaliCub on Jun 7, 2009 10:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He has to move down the order
and he has to learn how to hit there. He’s a professional and he must see how his play is hurting the team. Perhaps he really doesn’t care.
by jerry morales rules on Jun 7, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he wouldn't move down there anyways
but he should stay in the leadoff position because the cubs are at their best when he hits there
by lexmarklover on Jun 7, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cubs are at their best when he hits anywhere in the lineup.
If he goes on a streak batting 3-4-5 then he can carry the team there too.
And he has moved before, just this year in fact. We just need to give it more than 2 games.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
by KaliCub on Jun 7, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And we have to give it more than just 2 games.
That way he will get accustomed to the new position. It will happen eventually, why not do it now when the team is struggling.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
by KaliCub on Jun 7, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry, but that's incorrect.
Soriano has hit 1st, 3rd, and 5th for the majority of his career, and he hits significantly worse in any other position than lead-off.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jun 7, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did a post about this last week
He has not been tried any other spot for longer than a couple of games since 2005. If you are saying that the results of 2004 and 2005 are the ones to go by, then the results are mixed between those years. One year he hit better and the other he hit worse.
I’m just saying we haven’t given it a try of say…more than 2 games.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
by KaliCub on Jun 7, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can we stop it
about Soriano batting leadoff or not?
The evidence shows he bats better at leadoff than anyplace else. Period.
I don’t understand why people keep trying to put a square peg in a round hole. Kind of like Dusty did with LaTroy Hawkins as a closer.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 7, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, not really.
My position about him moving out of the leadoff spot is for the better of the team. IMHO it would actually help the team in his cold spells and …dare I say…the playoffs.
I made a post about this, but if you’ll want to close your eyes and not listen then that’s your right. But I won’t stop to continue to argue something I think is better for the team overall.
I understand he says he’s comfortable, that is why we have to give it longer than 2 games.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
by KaliCub on Jun 7, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has over 600 plate attempts at 3rd and 5th in the order. That’s enough to satiate my sample size appetite, yes, if that’s what you’re asking. I’m not gonna screw with a guy that’s a career 115 OPS+ [sheesh, are we really paying a guy $136,000,000 that’s only OPS+ 115? WOW.], and mainly because he’s lead-off when he’s producing those successes.
If you want quantitative data, it’s there; there is factual evidence Soriano performs better in the lead-off spot. If you want qualitative data, ask Lou or ask Soriano—Alfonso prefers to bat lead-off, and Lou prefers to have him there. I don’t see the discussion point.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jun 7, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm saying those PAs you're talking about happened 4 years ago.
Hasn’t been tried since then. So someone else tried something 4 years ago with mixed results, so we shouldn’t try it even though it may work for us. I don’t see that logic.
My whole point is when he is cold, that it is a drag on the team as a whole. Last years OPS for wins was 1.031. Last years OPS during losses was .582. This year wins .960 and losses .570. Those losses are like having Aron Miles leading off.
Why would you want to put your most streaky hitter on top of the lineup?
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
by KaliCub on Jun 7, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't the Cubs lead off the first
with a Double? Who hit that?
Or do you mean multiple hits in a game?
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, multiple hits in a game.
No surprise that this is his longest such streak as a Cub.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
by KaliCub on Jun 7, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares about the leadoff double?
Other than you of course. The dude goes 1 for 4 (or 5) and costs runs in the field. Unless that doube is a HR, he didn’t push. He is just lazy these days and I am sick of watching him play.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I care about it
because if that run scores, the Cubs win and we’re not having this conversation, most likely.
All I hear is bitching about Soriano not doing what a leadoff man should do. Then he does what a leadoff man should do and the response is “who cares”?
You might be sick of watching him play, but I’m sick of reading ignorant posts.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 7, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow...
“reading ignorant posts”?
Hmmm…all I said was that his defense makes me sick and he seems like he couldn’t give a shit out there. Not one word about his salary, not one word about spot in the order.
Reading huh?
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Who cares about the leadoff double?"
strikes me as being an ignorant thing to say.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 7, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did the run score?
ANd…I supported that by saying if his play costs a run and that run doesn’t score because of him, his play doesn’t balance out. Ignorant? Seems well thought out actually.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That the run didn't score
was no fault of Soriano’s.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 7, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the run didn't score because of him?
are you accusing him of not stealing home from second base?
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, saying it wasn't a HR
which is the only way, IMO, that he makes up for his crap fielding that DID cost the run.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Drew, does this make
any sense to you? Because I’ll admit to be completely flummoxed.
How can you debate someone like this?
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 7, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how can you debate
with someone who uses no logic of evidence to his opinion?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 7, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay
let me slow down…his hit was a double and it did not score (admittedly not his fault). He butchers a play that clearly cost a run. So with respects to that single run differential…he did not balnce out. Is that really so hard to understand?
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, ok
that’s a more understandable statement. I’m not sure I agree with it. Again, it’s not HIS responsibility to drive himself in.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course not Drew but
I never complained about his offense. That is why I don’t understand why I got the response I did. I gave credit where it was due, I just don’t think he is evening out currently and it is frustrating the hell out of me.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
most players
don’t even out. Usually it’s in the other direction.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he hit a double
it’s up to the batters after him to drive him in.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea where you stand on Theriot.....
….. since you’re taking this tact with Soriano, please don’t be one of those who get on Theriot because he hits too many singles to right or gets hits that aren’t productive but serve to hike up his average.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Jun 7, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was asking
what multi-hit meant. I’m not getting on Soriano for hitting the double, I was asking an honest question, because I didn’t understand what had been said.
I wish Riot would get back to poking singles into right more, and stop swinging for the fences less.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, alright then
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Jun 7, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL Theriot just hit a homer
But I agree with you
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Jun 7, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you know what i'm sick of?
these stupid posts that come up every year. i’m sick of these kind of cubs fans that forget about when he’s red hot. sick of fans that forget he’s got a cannon for an arm. sick of fans who can’t get over the fact that he’s over paid. sick of BB who licks every catchers behind but has some beef with sori.
move on and don’t read your post you say? nope. if you’re going to give your crappy opinion about something, i’m going to tell you that you’re an idiot.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 7, 2009 11:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+ 1,000
And it’s not just the Soriano posts that qualify for your derision.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 7, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s runaway meatball dom notbruce. A player not performing means he doesn’t care.
You have to realize this is a city where this type of fan thinks the Bears won the super bowl in 1986 because Ditka had the fire.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Jun 7, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, that
And I’m sick of the “Soriano is overpaid” meme, too.
He probably is overpaid. And a big part of that is because the Cubs had to show their fan base evidence that what happened in 2006 was not going to be repeated, that they were serious about winning. If he makes a few more shekels than he should just to make that point, fine by me.
This site has plenty of meatball fans. But I listened to the postgame show last night on WGN, and even the most meatball poster here looks brilliant compared to even the best phone call. Those people are dumber than a sack of hammers.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 7, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Makes you wonder who calls in, ya know?
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jun 7, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I’m sick too of fans who think a player in a slump is disinterested or doesn’t care.
The guy has been playing on a bad knee for awhile and it’s obviously affecting him.
And BB never said he was loafing it he said he made a bad play.
I don’t think a player who doesn’t care takes work before every game at 2nd base to see if he could start playing it if the team winds up doing that.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Jun 7, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is there any Cub that isn't worthy of your knob polishing?
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
woah
out of line, dood.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay...whatever...
is there?
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I will reply that you are a complete douchebag who
should take his own tongue out of Soriano’s arse and wake the F up. This post is 100% legit. If Soriano is slumping, then fine, players do…especially him.
If he lazily plays his position, then that is not okay and you need to either choke my opinion down, or start your own blog for douchebags who can’t tolerate anyone else’s thoughts.
Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?
by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
way out of line
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 7, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grow a pair people...
he tells me I have a moronic opinion and I am an idiot and I have no right to take it down a level in maturity?
Buncha softies man…
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re calling a misplay loafing it. That is meatball fandom.
I bet if you’re a Bears fan you want Lovie Smith fired because he lacks the fire and the Bears would have been 16-0 last season if he had the fire and you think the reason the Bears won the SUper Bowl 23 years ago was because Ditka had the fire.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Jun 7, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
First off, this is a Cubs site...not Bears
second, I said HE APPEARS TO BE LOLLIGAGGING, I didn’t say cause he butchered the play. I claim he sucks at fielding AND he has been lazy!
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and your claim is wrong
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 7, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh okay, well why didn't you just say so.
Had I known that you know all here, I wouldn’t have engaged at all. Talk about ignorance…
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
start
by reading this then get back to me. you offered NO EVIDENCE in your opinion other than what he has done this series. His defense does not suck. Show me some proof behind your opinion besides “well, i know he sucks”
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 7, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
forgot link
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/best-outfield-arms-of-2008/
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 7, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the beauty...
I stated that this was an opinion post. Which excludes me from having to gove you numbers to make you feel warm and fuzzy.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
here is the beauty
if you give an opinion that is proven wrong, then what does that make your opinion?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 7, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still my opinion..and
how can you prove the laziness wrong?
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
youa re right
being lazy and horrible at defense is how you become one of the elite OFers in the game.
(rolls eyes)
i am done with you, you are willing to throw FACTS out the window to support your “opinion” and provide nothing intelligent to a conversation
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 7, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bad defensive play does not mean he’s loafing it means he isn’t very good.
And he is better than he was when he came here.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Jun 7, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i know
and agree with you, Sorinao is not a bad defensive player, he is not lazy, he is not loafing.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 7, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NO...
she said he “isn’t very good”. No wonder you and I are disagreeing, you can’t read…
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will quote YOU here
and this is why I say you are wrong 110%
I have watched him lolligag his way around LF and just plain suck as a LF.
so, care to try again?
some people should have internet rights revoked for ignorance
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 7, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay friend
just one more favor…please point to where I said, “Fact, he sucks as a LF”. As far as the lolligagging and laziness, what part of that is NOT an opinion?
Rights revoked Timmy boy, for being illiterate!
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are somethign else
are you Blous illegitimate child? Look at your last words in my quote of you
just plain suck as a LF
not go climb under the brigde you came from Troll
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 7, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha!
Probably been here longer than you Timmy but hey who expects you to know what a troll is?
As for the statement…I really think we are wasting our time here cause you think a blue box around my words makes that a statement of fact. It really is a waste of breath with you.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You keep saying you're done and then post more...
I wish you would go cause I am STILL entitled to my opinion no matter how much you vomit onto my screen.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since when is Soriano elite?
He doesn’t scare anyone. He doesn’t beat the best pitchers. He doesn’t do anything overly special. He can still only hit fastballs, he chases everything, which is why he doesn’t walk, etc… He’s not elite, but he is very good though.
Out of all NL OFs I think I could classify 3 as elite.
Ryan Braun
Adam Dunn
Carlos Lee
Maybe Justin Upton soon
Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!
by Cub Style on Jun 7, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just meant that example of the kind of meatball fan that permeates the Chicago sports scene.
Another difference is Kinky I consider you meatballish in this discussion. I see now where you saw it as lolligagging but I see no evidence that it was,
Calling it lolligagging usually is meatball. But you went further into your stance below and while I still think it’s wrong to say it you backed it up.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Jun 7, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meatball fan?!
wow, move along already. We’re tired of hearing your same old rants. Seriously…
"Why do you always point to the sky when Zambrano starts?" My girlfriend.
"You just wouldn't get it...it's a Cubs thing..." Me.
by cubs2k8isnxtyear on Jun 7, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kinky Reggae
please review this before posting more. Seems you are not aware of this
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 7, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubbie Tim
Please re-read the post I was responding to. I am fairly certain “idiot” and “moronic” are persoanl attacks. Unless you know something I don’t. Been here a long time and quite aware of Al’s policies. Thanks though for the guidance.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you might want to review
this as well so you can post it easier next time
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 7, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again typical meatball fan thinks misplaying a ball makes it loafing. He misplayed the ball he was not loafing.
and you proved what kind of person you are.
Misplaying a ball does not mean he was loafing.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Jun 7, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, you ar entiltled to your opinion...and I mine.
Loafing it is.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
your entire post here is negative
disregarding what he has accomplished as a Cub. We will not agree on Sori, and that is fine. I will no longer discuss this with you, since you are watching with blinders
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 7, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, I needed that.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How was it loafing? Was he standing there admiring some pretty girls when the ball went to left field?
He’s also playing injured.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Jun 7, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he's injured.....
… and hurting the team with his play, he should sit.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Jun 7, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s playing better than any of the alternatives would. Maybe if Bradley comes back soon we can put Hoffpauir out there for a few days.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Jun 7, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take my chances with...
Johnson-Fukudome-Hoffpauir right now, if Soriano is playing hurt to the point where he can’t run after a ball.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Jun 7, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed 100%
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ENOUGH WITH THE NAME CALLING ALREADY
STOP IT.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Jun 7, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was responding to his post. I think it is typical of the new runaway meatballdom in sports fandom calling this loafing. A misplay is not loafing. I
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Jun 7, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Comprehension issues?
That still doesn’t escuse name calling.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Jun 7, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or eXcuse it, even
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Jun 7, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But I get called out for mine so that makes sense.
Just cause my names aren’t as dumb as “meatball”, doesn’t mean she is less at fault.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We both are at fault but I was responding to the thinking like this being typical runaway meatball.
I read your posts as saying a slump meant a player was not trying. As a matter of fact sometimes slumps get longer because the player is trying too hard.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Jun 7, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to suggest
that there’s a difference between calling someone a meatball and suggesting that she “polishes knobs”.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well at least mine was a suggestion...
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Kinky didn’t realize my point calling this a meatball post. I should have said typical meatball post not typical meatball fans.
There are some meatballs here and I don’t think kinky usually is one.
That’s why I didn’t report what he said. One thing Al will see it anyway and B. I’m not sure Al has the final decision always on banning. I think he does but if he doesn’t I don’t think want some outside SBNation person to not look at the whole story and ban him. I don’t think he should be banned.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Jun 7, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you keep responding to every single
person who writes a post critical of the Cubs or critical of players with personal attacks, then perhaps you should be banned. Please, move on already and come up with something new.
"Why do you always point to the sky when Zambrano starts?" My girlfriend.
"You just wouldn't get it...it's a Cubs thing..." Me.
by cubs2k8isnxtyear on Jun 7, 2009 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beer it’s not just this post. It’s people saying a player missing his family is bad. A few weeks ago the same people complaining about lack of fire and trying were calling Z out for running out a bunt.
And I even went back on my DVR to see the play again before I said anything. I actually keep games for about 24-36 hours in case I want to see something that comes up for discussion.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Jun 7, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again....
… and I feel very silly acting like you dad here, when you’re not that much younger than me, but that still doesn’t address name calling. Don’t do it.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Jun 7, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is crazy
are you crying at your keyboard? These are grown adults. Not sure what anyone said about families but you are the most sensitive person I have ever encountered…and ytou repeat yourself!
Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?
by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im referring to the post about Z talking about retiring and people saying bad things about him missing his family.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Jun 7, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the most part, people said he was full of it
You went off the edge when someone suggested that he was merely shooting off his mouth. That’s not a personal attack, but you felt the need to ride to Zambrano’s defense.
Find ONE POST where someone said it was bad that he missed his family. ONE.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 7, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
for what it's worth
there were several people who basically said “so what, be a man”.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 questions
Is that the same as someone mocking someone else for missing their family?
Why won’t you let her answer the questions? I realize she won’t be able to, but this is going to validate her claims in her mind.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 7, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that the same as someone mocking someone else for missing their family?
I think they’re fairly similar, yes.
It’s essentially a chat room. I’m not preventing her from answering the questions. There’s not only one reply per comment.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think they are similar
There’s not a reply limit. She’s not going to be able to answer for herself, anyway. The assertions that I’ve seen posted in the last few days are beyond absurd. If someone criticizes a Cub in the least, it’s akin to hating them.
This used to be a site where differing opinions could be debated on their merits alone. Seems that’s not the case anymore. Every freaking issue is polarizing, and so many comments seem to prompt personal attacks.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 7, 2009 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again there’s a difference between saying players don’t care, or are stupid or making fun of them for missing their family and saying the play is bad,
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Jun 8, 2009 6:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, there is a difference
And you still haven’t supported your claim.
I know you think that’s “being nasty”, but I really don’t think you realize how much venom is in your posts. You take arguments to the extreme, and what you accuse people of saying goes way beyond what they actually said.
You’ll probably think this is me picking on you; it isn’t. I’m really trying to make you see how your remarks get interpreted by others; I’ve seen a few comments from other people over the last few days doing the same.
I really thought I’d stay away from BCB for a few days, but it’s a slow morning, so I’m trying again.
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 8, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So he's lazy and doesn't care...
…yet it’s his goal to play 156 games this year. Clearly you’re right.
I didn’t say that I didn’t tolerate your thought. In fact I said just the opposite. With that being said I’m not going to “choke down” your opinion when it’s foolish. Using the word douchebag only backs up my opinion of you.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 7, 2009 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
words! He “said” that’s his goal? Well, why didn’t you just begin with that? that “clearly” makes YOU right. And you are a douchebag…that’s on you.
Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?
by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
What are you talking about? The only thing that made sense in your response is that you think I’m a douchebag. I love the tough guy who hides behind his keyboard and wouldn’t say half the stuff they do on a blog in real life.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 7, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trust me, I'd say it to your face big man...
and your post is more of a tough guy hiding of you ask me.
As for the post itself, the point was…and I’ll slow things for you…just…cause…he…said…it…doesn’t…make…it ….the ….truth.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why would he lie?
why would a guy who is fundamentally lazy lie about wanting to play 156 games to his manager, the media, and the fans?
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Becuse the alternative
wouldn’t exactly win over fans and his manager. People say things every single day that they don’t mean for the sake of coming off the way that they should be. That said Drew, the point as more that I am being ripped for stating my opinion without fact to back it up and then somone goes and makes a statement like this. Hardly seems that because he said it, that it is fact. Only he knows right? Just like the laziness.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly how many games has he taken off this year?
Actions speak louder than words.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 7, 2009 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather him take them off if
he can’t give it his all.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 8, 2009 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
either he’s lying and it’s all a grand conspiracy to make us think that he’s really putting out effort…
or you take him at his word.
The fact is that he said he wanted to play 156 games, in public. He’s played in 51 games so far. Since today is 1/3 of the season, he’s on pace to play 153.
It seems like an awful lot of effort for three games…
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
IMO
just because a guy plays in games doesn’t mean he is giving it his all. Why do so many players get benched for not giving 100%? Fact is, I am not a conspiracy theorist, simply saying millions of people every day say what people want to hear. No grand plot here, the guy is simply saying what people want to hear, especially at 136 million dollars. He could mean it, he could not…just sayin they are words and I can’t understand why it is so hard to comprehend that he could just be goin through the motions.
Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?
by Kinky Reggae on Jun 8, 2009 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what players
are benched for not giving 100%?
A guy who is going through the motions doesn’t dive. Soriano has. A guy who is going through the motions doesn’t tape his wrists and not tell anyone so that he won’t get benched. Soriano has.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 8, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know that answer...
I am not calling for a bench. I know this thread has gotten confusing but I was simply venting and offering the opp to others. Others called for a bench, called him overpaid, called him a guess hack. Me…just lazy as of late. And the diving thing Drew, come on dude…once? And it looked like a fall more than a dive.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 8, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
more than once.
Running plays, going back on the wall, going over towards the foul wall. He’s getting more aggressive on his defense.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 8, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope
Cause I rarely see him leave his feet except for that ridiculous hop. It may have been in games I missed, though I do have a nice tv outside my office that helps me see the action during the weekday at times.
I tell you what though, I saw Hoffpauir dive the other day, I see Reed Johnson do it quite a bit. Fukudome many times, and even Bradley dives a ton.
Tell you what…the closest can come to measuring laziness is by measuring number of dives. If we can do this, I am all for it cause I am almost certain he will be dead last out of those I mentioned, minus Hoff cause he is not a regular OF (I hope). I mean Bradley dives all the time. AND Bradley is HURT all the time so…
And again, please don’t say he takes good routes and therefore doesn’t have to dive. Fukudome takes great routes and still leaves his feet at times.
Here is my take for what it’s worth (not much with some)…
Soriano is a player who is way more focused on his offense cause it scored him a humungous contract. Especially with the streaks, he has to put in the time and effort to produce or he will feel like a flop. Just like Manny however, he is valued for that and not the D. people have always overlooked it so they can benefit from the O. He stunk as a 2B too right?
Just sayin man, he is simply not here for D and appears to be putting in less effort these days.
Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?
by Kinky Reggae on Jun 8, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok.
I’m not sure where this is getting us. We’ve shown proof that he’s a good defender, and you refuse to acknowledge it. I’ve shown that if he keeps up the paces he has, he’s going to perform better numerically behind the plate than last year.
I’m not going to base my evaluation of an outfielder on the number of times he dives.
We’re just going to have to agree to disagree. But I have to say, I find this whole thing vaguely ridiculous. Numbers do not lie, and it’s not like there’s a whole lot of interpretation going on.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 8, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
that this is ridiculous. I cannot state my opinion many more times. You may base your assessment on “he’s on pace for”s all day long. Currently, he strikes me as lazy. And one last time Drew, I have not even complained about his Offense. Simply the D.
Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?
by Kinky Reggae on Jun 8, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and yet below
you say you’re NOT calling him lazy.
Sheesh.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 8, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where?
I am saying it is my opinion that he is lazy in the field. Lazy in the field is not an attack on character the way you all have taken such offense to. Drew, this is freaking ridiculous.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 8, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
I agree that it’s ridiculous.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 8, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh and feel free to comment on Kansas25's post below...
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 7, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+2000
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 7, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
fonz
soriano makes sosa look selective at the plate.but boy when he,s hot look out.
by NOMAR on Jun 7, 2009 11:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Apparently a lot of the meatball fans
showed up in Cincinnati. A post from Hal McCoy’s blog at the Dayton Daily News Web site (Hal is an excellent read, BTW):
Went to the game last night – great game, loved it! But I would hate to be a Cubs player. I was on the third base line and the drunk Cubs fans cussing out Soriano in left field were completely obnoxious…I think I may skip future Reds-Cubs games.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 7, 2009 12:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think kinky is like that. In fact before the last 2 weeks I thought he was an excellent poster and had a lot of good points.
But I get really tired of this mentality that players who are slumping don’t care. That is the very definition of meatball.
Although I think a better one may be
Sox playing the Brewers who do you want to win?
Meatball says Brewers because the Sox are the evil south siders.
Real fan says Sox because it is more important the Brewers lose those games.
Sox losing does nothing for the Cubs while the Brewers losing helps them.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Jun 7, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I think kinky will be saying Go Sox for 3 games I believe it’s next weekend right?
I used to adore the Score (that rhymes) but it’s been permeated by meatball hosting with meatball callers. I can’t even take B&B much anymore although they are the only ones who will get on a caller but even they are meatballing it sometimes.
Maybe Danny Mac’s return will rejuvenate things.
I hope things change because Bob Sirrot, Jerry Agar and Garry Meier one more show of either of these 3 and I’m going to shoot myself in the head.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Jun 7, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Should make sure people know I mean he will say Go Sox against the Brewers because he cares more about the Cubs. Meatball fans care more about the Sox losing than what’s good for the Cubs.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Jun 7, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look
I just don’t understand why you are so sensitive about players. I said nothing about Z, or anyone else…except….Soriano looks lazy and like he doesn’t care. I never sold it as anything more than my opinion…which I am entitled to. That’s all. Sorry if I offended.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read it as you saying it because he misplayed that ball. There are people that think that. But you went more into why you thought that and I don’t agree with it but that’s difference.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Jun 7, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also I get mad when it’s personal and people use terms like they don’t care because they don’t shoot themselves after every loss.
And there are quite a few people here that think bad play makes a player a bad person.
And I agree we are overpaying Soriano but there’s nothing that can be done about it now.
There’s all these people that want to get rid of him they don’t even care if his replacement is any better but forget that we’d have to eat some of the salary and pay a new left fielder and any player even close to Soriano plus what we eat would add up to much more than what he makes.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Jun 7, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And there are quite a few people here who are rational and don't
think a bad play makes a player a bad person. Your derisive comments on numerous posts is simply out of line.
People are entitled to their opinion. Try to respect that for once.
"Why do you always point to the sky when Zambrano starts?" My girlfriend.
"You just wouldn't get it...it's a Cubs thing..." Me.
by cubs2k8isnxtyear on Jun 7, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not only that
But she’s worn out “meatball” faster than she wore out “hate”
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jun 7, 2009 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow I was really interested in this topic
I’m 25 and I think I’m younger than most of you on here yet I can act more mature than most of you on here. Wow….grow up everybody.
by ak123 on Jun 7, 2009 12:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Congrats bro...
you really are head of the class.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks!
If anyone needs some tips on how to actually talk to people I’m around all afternoon. Some people who go here are hopeless though.
And for the record…I didn’t think there was anything wrong with your post. I think discussing what Soriano has brought to the team lately is important to talk about.
by ak123 on Jun 7, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, or I wouldn't have posted it...
the response I got was less than impressive though. Yes I brought it down a notch…only in response to being called a mron and an idiot though…oh and meatball.
We’ll talk later about the communication honing though.
Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?
by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to drop this
I’m going to drop this because
A. I want to go watch the game.
B. I have some good writing to read and write.
C. I want to delete that stupid freaking game off my DVR and I’m going to go blind if I watch that stupid play one more time.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Jun 7, 2009 12:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Peace...me too.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soriano is...
and has been the most valuable player on the Cubs for the last few seasons, this one included. Maybe he’s not THE best LF, but he’s top 4-5 in all of baseball.
People love to hate Soriano when he’s off and then quickly become “neutral” as so many on this thread have said when he’s cranking home runs and carrying the team.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Jun 7, 2009 12:47 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Minus infinity
You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little messed up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?
by BLou on Jun 7, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's humorous...
that you did not say a single word about Soriano the first month of the season when he was hot and winning games by himself. But his slump brought the “guess-hitting hack” attacks right back out. Hilarious.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Jun 7, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well he's not a guess hitter
He looks for the fastball because he is an elite fastball hitter, but he just can’t hit the breaking ball well.
Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!
by Cub Style on Jun 7, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he golfs
breaking balls into the stands all the time. Just not lately.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wanna let you know...
…I was at the student recreation center yesterday, and about 80 guys walked in. The entire men’s basketball team was hosting a summer camp for teenagers. Self, Manning, and almost the entire team was there practicing/coaching/camping. I quit lifting weights and sat and watched a free practice for about 90 minutes.
And then I saw Self and Manning @ The Sandbar last night. Ridiculous.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jun 7, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of my roommates...
works the KU basketball camp every summer. He’s an assistant coach here in Emporia, and went down to hang out with Manning last week and get him to sign a few balls for a charity auction. Self takes all the coaches out on the town during the camp and is supposedly a really good guy.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Jun 7, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Sandbar only holds 49 max capacity...
…and I think we counted 8 or 9 KU coaches/dads/etc. It was weird; I haven’t seen any of the guys out in a long time, then saw the entire team at the gym and at the bar in one day. Are you in Lawrence?
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jun 7, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
such insight
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
rec'd
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 7, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Top four or five in all of baseball?
Sizemore
Braun
Dunn
Carlos Lee
Quentin
Manny Ramirez
Carl Crawford
Granderson
Adam Jones
BJ Upton
Justin Upton
Nick Markakis
Soriano
Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!
by Cub Style on Jun 7, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well.....
You’ve got a few guys in there that don’t play left, at least not regularly.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Jun 7, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just did OF overall
Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!
by Cub Style on Jun 7, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and one who is a proven cheat
and not playing at all right now
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 7, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That still leaves 11 players.
n/t
"Why do you always point to the sky when Zambrano starts?" My girlfriend.
"You just wouldn't get it...it's a Cubs thing..." Me.
by cubs2k8isnxtyear on Jun 7, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Read the post...
Left-fielders. Left-fielders. Left-fielders.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Jun 7, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why I said I did OF overall...
Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!
by Cub Style on Jun 7, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fine here's LF
Braun
Dunn
Lee
Quentin
Ramirez
Crawford
Soriano
Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!
by Cub Style on Jun 7, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what are you basing this on?
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BAA, HR, RBI, SB, R, OPS, IsoP, RC, SECA, and BB over a 3 year span but for guys like Jones and Upton just this year.
Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!
by Cub Style on Jun 7, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well and potential as well for those guys
Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!
by Cub Style on Jun 7, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Questionable...
Here are the WAR totals for this year and the two previous years combined:
Soriano – 8.9
Braun – 9.0
Dunn – 4.7
Lee – 7.6
Quentin- 4.5
Ramirez- 8.7
Crawford- 8.1
So Soriano is second in WAR for the last three years, yet all those players are still better than him? Braun has a small edge and Manny’s certainly a better hitter, but I don’t see anything to suggest that Soriano is any less than a top 5 left fielder, which happened to be my argument. Thanks for playing.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Jun 7, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
But wait
that’s his opinion. You have to respect it and not prove him wrong with facts because it’s his opinion….
I’m going to guess that you won’t hear any kind of intelligent response.
Rec’d Kansas25.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 7, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dont use facts against his opinoin
or you will become a hated poster, like he proclaimed me to be.
and to those who hate my posts, I apologize
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 7, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops, the only rec I guess. Please come again.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And yet it obviously wasn't...
You are wrong. Move on please.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Jun 7, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey good job!
I am proud of you.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You had me at...
“I suppose then that he is not as bad as I originally stated”
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Jun 7, 2009 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still waiting for you to explain to me why
Kansas25’s post above is wrong and your opinion about Soriano is right.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 7, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You shouldn't be...
seems like a waste of time while I was sleeping. My response was that I guess he isn’t as bad as I had previously stated…didn’t take the time to read huh? Kansas did.
I did add though, I guess I have to look down a bit on this class of OFs then cause he still strikes me as a bad fielder.
I am not alone either. When I am in the bleachers, all I ever hear is how bad he is. No one feels the need to whip out their stat sheet, it is based on many observations of people who have been watching baseball longer than you. That’s all.
But feel free to “wait” for my response to another post all day while I work. :)
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 8, 2009 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose then that he is not as bad as I originally stated but...
the last few games would suggest otherwise. Come on, people take notice when a a guy half asses plays in the field. If it weren’t a possibility, why am I not completely alone in my opinion?
All I is sayin.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's hurt
he’s slumping. And today, he won the game.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+12
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 7, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And yesterday lost it IMO
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The last few games?
That’s about as idiotic a statement as one can make about baseball. It’s all about sample sizes. Even Pujols will run across and 1-16 now and then. If you want to condemn him and hate him, go ahead; but when, like he did today, he does produce like the MVP-caliber player he is, please feel free to admit you were wrong.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Jun 7, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude are you really this f-ing dense???
I never complained about his offense genius. I complained about HIS DEFENSE! I still think he is not good. If he went “1-16 now and then” I wouldn’t complain. I am complaining about his DEFENSE. And for the record, Pujols does not streak like Soriano in case you were trying to make a point. Pujols is so much better than Soriano.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm aware...
Pujols is better than Soriano. I’m not dense. Soriano’s offense outweighs his defense, but his defense is average to above average in left. I’m sure your eyes are more valuable tools than stats though.
Oh well, I’m done. I proved how valuable Soriano is, and you agreed and admitted you were a touch off base. Case closed.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Jun 7, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please though
don’t go to bed thinking I said he was “above average”. I don’t but given the stats, I guess comparably, he isn’t horrific. I do look less fondly upon the rest of the class though if this is “top 5”.
Oh well, the MLB OF has seenbetter days I guess.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you did OF overall
I actually think we have 2 OF who are better in their position on the Cubs that you left off.
by ak123 on Jun 7, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Show me PROOF that he sucks and is loafing and lazy
you state your opinion, now give proof supporting it. Without proof, how can you expect ANYONE to take it serious. The burden is on you to prove it, not the other way around.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 7, 2009 12:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
NO IT ISN'T
Only burden here is that you keep posting and cause me to miss good parts of this game. Here is your proof…
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
prove your opinion
or are you unable to? Basing it on a few plays is not proof. Show me some stats to back it up
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 7, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know.....
….. not all opinion can or needs to be supported by proof. That’s why it’s an opinion and not a fact. Facts definitely have proof behind them.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Jun 7, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You are preachin today Beercub!
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and he has no facts to prove himself
since it is an opinion based on a few select plays.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 7, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But see.....
…. that’s why it’s just an opinion, He’s not stating it as fact. it’s why they say opinions are like a-holes,everyone’s got one.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Jun 7, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
but when you open your opinion up for debate
you are now going to need proof to back it up.
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 7, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No I don't actually
all I have to say is that it is my opinion. You can say you disagree but that is about it. I can listen and just disagree myself. Which is why I didn’t say anywhere in my post that I expect facts and stats. Just your opinion. You think he is great, I don’t. Get over it.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so basically
you believe it is cool to throw facts out, and just base it on nothing, and no one should question it?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 7, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well cool is your word...
I think I had had it watching what I thought was laziness and horrid fielding so I chose to post. You are the very person many people here do not like because you cannot allow me to have an opinion in an open forum on the internet where I was certain I was entitled to it.
What is cool is that you said you were leaving an hour ago and you are still here arguing a point that is not valid. I am still entitled to my opinion and if you disagree, fine. Drew did and that is fine, so did CTS…
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no problem with an opinion
but if you open it to debate and discussion, you should be prepared to back it up, just saying
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 7, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Tim
if you read my post, I didn’t ask for your debate, I opened up a forum to share your opinions on Soriano. If you had said, I think he is one of the better ones out there, all I could have said is well, I don’t think so.
You said my opinion was wrong though. Anyway, it’s all done here.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
you are correct I opened it up for debate by posting but I truly do not have to prove my opinion w fact. That is what an opinion is…that’s my point Tim.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that doesn't mean
you can profess your opinion and then not expect to get called on it.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But i did Drew and you even understood my point...
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand
that he’s slumping, and his defense yesterday wasn’t great. I’ve never agreed that he’s lazy or doesn’t care.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No not agree...
I know you don’t agree with me. But you said I clarified more what I was saying which I did. We can disagree.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Try this...
… it’s your opinion based upon your observations watching him play. You don’t need anything more than that, as that’s what makes it your opinion. Someone else can watch the same play and arrive at a different conclusion, but it’s all still just opinion. What would make it a fact is if Soriano actually came out and said “I’m loafing”, which isn’t going to happen. I hope.
"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008
by BeerCub on Jun 7, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually he said it...from the Chikago Triboon...
“When asked about his play in the field, Alfonso Soriano replied, Dude I am loafin AND lolligagging out there. Why would I try, I am already making more money that it would take to buy me new legs every time I hop out there and injure myself”.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm hungry for meat balls all of a sudden.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jun 7, 2009 12:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What we need
What we need is a nice winning streak because the tension here is so thick right now you can cut it with a knife.
Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.
by cubstoseriesby100 on Jun 7, 2009 1:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Know what else you can cut with a knife?
MEATBALLS! I kid.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Polarizing.
And if his bat doesn’t get hot soon, he’s going to be benched.
by smash! on Jun 7, 2009 2:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No. He. Won't.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 7, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks. For. Sharing!
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you telling me Lou is going to bench the $136 million dollar guy?
Oh wow that’s funny.
"Pounding sand since 1982...."
by cubswynn on Jun 7, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Lou
will bench whoever Lou wants to bench.
"Why do you always point to the sky when Zambrano starts?" My girlfriend.
"You just wouldn't get it...it's a Cubs thing..." Me.
by cubs2k8isnxtyear on Jun 7, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
Especially with our outfielders hitting the ball. It’s not like Sori’s defense is going to keep him in the game. If you suck on D and you’re slumping on O, take a seat for a week son.
by smash! on Jun 7, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has this ever happened?
NO. Soriano is a streaky hitter. He’s had slumps before. Slumps he works through by playing. He may get an extra day off here and there, but he won’t be benched.
And, to respond to cubs2kisnxtyear, Lou will not bench whoever he wants to bench. He’s a players manager and he, unlike some people in this thread, realize that the Cubs ONLY chance of succeeding comes with Soriano playing. Simple as that.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Jun 7, 2009 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+10
Make it +20 cause cubswynn is ridiculous and you get an extra 10 for having to read his whining.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are actually the funny one here...
I have gotten quite a few laughs from you today. Thank you.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lou will not bench Soriano.
Period. If he continues to slump, they’ll give him an extra day of rest now and then. But he won’t be benched. It’s ridiculous to think he will be.
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Jun 7, 2009 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Once again
responding to me as though I made that statement. Sorry, never said he will bench him. Though I do not think it is something Lou hasn’t cosidered at times.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's extremely unlikely
Lee didn’t get benched. Soto was “sat” for two whole games. I’m not saying that Soriano won’t get rest, but benched like Dome did last year? VERY unlikely.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prob not
but we really don’t ever know with Lou.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soriano is not and probably will never be
a fundamentally sound player. He will always take bad routes in the outfield, do stupid things like take that hop before catching a ball, and swing at bad pitches. That said, he has more than enough talent to make up for it. His stats (both offensive and defensive) prove he’s been a great player throughout his career. He’s struggled this year, that’s for sure, and if these struggles continue, we have a $100 million dollar problem on our hands, but assuming he snaps out of his slump, he’s as good as it gets.
by Poloplaya14 on Jun 7, 2009 3:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Soriano is ...
… the guy who hit the winning home run Sunday.
I’ll take it.
by Not Bruce Froemming on Jun 7, 2009 6:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I love Soriano but
hes fielding is irritating. I say leading into our next away series against an AL team, we bench him 2 games. Then when we get to the interleague series, DH him all series, and see how he feels…
"I can accept failure, but I can't accept not trying" - Michael Jordan, the one and only...
by LPLancer23 on Jun 7, 2009 6:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
how about I finish the title of this post...
soriano is…
Leading the team in HR, RBI, runs scored, and runs created. And the only players with higher slugging percentage than him is big Z, and Aram…
Soriano is leading almost every major offensive category. Please, stop bashing him…we would be alot further away from first place without him
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." --Alvin Dark
by preachermancubsfan on Jun 7, 2009 7:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, that slg% stat is for those
Who think he strikes out way too much.
Yea he strikes out alot, he here more pa than anyone else….DUR DA DUR!!
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." --Alvin Dark
by preachermancubsfan on Jun 7, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
*has more PA than anyone else*
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." --Alvin Dark
by preachermancubsfan on Jun 7, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again, the guy hits...usually.
I am always happy that he can help the team win, my point is and has been, he appears to be helping the team lose lately IMO. I still think he looks lazy in the field. I suppose I should consider his injuries but this is not a new opinion I formed. Many people do thinnk he is lazy.
Kudos to him today, he won the game for us. Wish he could have done so early enough to get Wells a W but we’ll take it.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Many people do thinnk he is lazy.
Which doesn’t make any of them right.
Last year, he was so eager to play that he came back early from his first DL trip — and proceeded to play very poorly. Why would a lazy man insist on coming back and play like that? The year before, he injured his wrists late in the year, and instead of even telling the TRAINERS, he taped the hell out of them so that he could continue to play.
Say he takes poor routes to the ball. Say that he strikes out a lot on the low outside slider. But I just don’t think “lazy” is a term you can throw at him.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still think he is lazy..
and I even said he looks worse this year above. So I didn’t make statements like this last year because he WAS throwing guys out at home and coming back early. Sorry, I still think he lolligags. All it is is my opinion.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah but
the problem people have with this opinion is that there’s very little to BASE it on. The numbers don’t support it, just like they don’t support having him bat lower in the lineup.
A lot of people will agree that he’s slumping, and not playing well.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems like people have the right to say that
as I have the right to say it doesn’t appear he is giving it his all. Why is this so hard for people to swallow? It is a general statement not claiming to be based on anything other than my observation. I am not attacking his character off the field, I am not saying he hates his family, I am not saying he has a conspiracy to mislead Cub fans and really just half ass it all career.
Simply to me, it looks like he is lazily going after balls. If he came out and said his leg is bothering him fine, but he hasn’t so all I can go by is what I see.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 8, 2009 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no one is arguing that you have the right to say it.
I just don’t understand why you think it’s so mean of us to respond back and say “but wait, that doesn’t make any sense at all.”
He’s talked about his knee giving him problems. It hasn’t been a big story.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 8, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mean? Who am I cubstoseriesby100?
Come on dude, never got offended. When I get called an idiot and moronic, then I get offended. But I respond as is my right. No mention of “mean” dude. I am not hurt.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 8, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually you are attacking his character
saying he is loafing, lazy, not caring, those are attacking his character
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 8, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No.
I am attackinghis play. I am sure he is a great guy otherwise. Lately he has disappointed me a great deal. I am sure he could care less. Which is why reactions to our statements in a sensitive way (like, “hey they’re people too!”), seems ridiculous.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 8, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
except
in this comment, you say: http://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2009/6/7/901537/soriano-is#16704462
Just sayin man, he is simply not here for D and appears to be putting in less effort these days.
You also call him lazy in that same comment.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 8, 2009 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DREW!
LAZY IN THE FIELD! Attacking a character is sayinghe is a bad man, he doesn’t care about dying children, he likes to steal things from disadvantaged people and hurts defenseless animals.
All I am saying is that he appears to not put in the effort I feel he should be. Come on man.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 8, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's
attacking his character. You’re saying he’s deliberately not doing his job.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 8, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm saying he doesn't appear to give a shit lately.
I can be accused of that at times and I don’t take it as an attack and guess what, even if i were, why is it yours, Timmy’s, and CTSB100’s job to protect a grown man?
Dude, this is getting annoying. Would it make things easier if I were to just say I think he is a very bad person and I wish he would get permanently injured so I never have to watch his good for nothing ass in Wrigley again?
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 8, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
you gotta say what you gotta say. But I think it’s not a valid conclusion to say that he’s deliberately not doing his job.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 8, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
careful Drew
or he will state that you are one of the hated posters here for not accepting his opinion without asking for any proof to support it
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 8, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow!
You are so sensitive Tim. Get over it man. No one is hated and you can disagree. Period.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 8, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
In April and I think early May he had some clutch hits including late inning HR’s that won the games. I haven’t been happy with his fielding lately or many of his at-bats but he does help the team more than he hurts it in the long-run.
That being said, he needs to bring up that batting average.
by ak123 on Jun 7, 2009 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has anybody else read this FanPost in the following manner?
“Soriano is…Kinky Reggae”.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jun 7, 2009 9:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Soriano is
- 1/3 of the way through the season, but has hit nearly 50% of the home runs he hit last year (14 so far this year, 29 last year), and is on pace to hit 42 Hrs this year.
- on track to equal his SB total for last year and the year before
- on track to have about the same number of Ks as he did last year.
- on track to play 44 games more than last year (109 last year, on track for 153 this year
- On track to have 717 PAs, his fourth most ever, and the most since 2006
- on track to walk 54 times, the second most of his career
- on track to get 160 hits, 30 more than last year
- on track for three GIDP
So he’s playing in more games, batting more, striking out less, walking more, hitting more…
and all with this terrible slump for the last 20 or so at bats.
Something to think about.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 11:29 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I sure hope all you "on track for"s
pan out Drew. Seems like a lot to bet on. Hopefully I see changes in what I think is lack of effort. I was happy to see him hit the HR yesterday, or hear it at keast, and expected some to say…“see, he isn’t lazy!”
That proves nothing to me as I merely made statements about his play in the field. Should he all of a sudden choose to leave his feet to catch a ball, which I believe I have seen maybe once since coming here…I will concede.
Speaking of…Reed Johnson..THAT is “not lazy”. Reed Johnson he will never be. Soriano is too busy hopping to catch balls (even after he injured himself doing so) to consider diving for a ball. All I am sayin…also something to think about.
PS, and please don’t say he never has to dive because he takes such great routes to flyballs. :)
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 8, 2009 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's had
several running and diving plays this year. I expect you don’t watch every game, I know I don’t. You can’t base this on your personal experience.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 8, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am basing this on his entire time on the Cubs...
I mentioned that I have seen him once that I can remember and it looked more like a fall to me but again, just my opinion. Drew, let’s face it, you and I are just completely on two different ends of the spectrum as to what type of player he is. that’s cool I can respect that.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 8, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
...
well, ok. I just don’t see how it can be that much of a difference of opinion.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 8, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It happens man...
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 8, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As noted in another thread...
he’s actually been LESS productive across the board. The only thing he’s doing better this year than last year is staying healthy.
He’s been a league average hitter to this point this season. That’s likely to get better as he’ll go on a hot streak at some point. But your facts, as presented, are very misleading. And in fact, in some cases (such as striking out less) you’ve even presented the wrong conclusion based even on the facts you’ve presented.
by SouthernCub on Jun 8, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think they are.
if he keeps up these paces, then those are the numbers he will produce. All I did was take them and multiply by three. How is that wrong? What did I get wrong about him striking out less? If he’s having more at bats, and he’s getting the same number of strikeouts as last year, then on average, he’s striking out less, proportionally.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 8, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's not striking out less...
he’s striking out more. He has 60 Ks in 246 AB (1 per 4 AB). Last year, he had 103 Ks in 506 AB (1 per 5 AB). That’s substantially worse. He’s on pace to strike out 180 times – by far a career high.
And what is misleading about your presentation is that you are presenting his COUNT stats in a manner as to suggest he’s playing better. That is not the case. He’s playing worse, but more often. That means that his count stats are bound to be on a better pace.
His hit rate is down, his walk rate is down, his HR rate is slightly down, his K rate is up. He’s just going to play more games. He’s been a league average hitter this season (100 OPS+). Last season, he had a 121 OPS+.
by SouthernCub on Jun 8, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice
don’t have the time to track all this down and put it together but I am glad you do! I just thought he was being lazy.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 8, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the record, I don't agree that he's lazy...
I think he tries hard. He’s just limited defensively and overaggressive offensively.
My beef with Drew’s post was just that I think it’s misleading to compare a (projected) season’s worth of stats to 2/3 of a season’s worth of stats and imply that he’s doing better based on that. The facts simply don’t agree – Soriano is playing worse at the moment across the board.
I do, however, expect Soriano to play better offensively moving forward, as he’s a streaky player who has just had a cold stretch. I expect the season numbers to turn out somewhwere close to his career averages. Maybe a little lower in average, but higher in OBP.
by SouthernCub on Jun 8, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also expect that...
I have not attacked his offense at all, despite his slump. I do however think he is a lazy OF..at least as of late. Perhaps I am misreading lack of skill with laziness but either way, I have been attacked here for saying both…I said he is bad and he appears to be lazy lately. “Limited defensively” would actually be in agreement with my original statement that Drew so vehemently defended his honor on…based on his numbers.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 8, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's lack of confidene defensively, not laziness...
I really believe that what you’re perceiving as laziness/indifference is actually tentativeness and lack of confidence, due to a lack of comfort/ability.
The guy is a pretty prideful guy. I really don’t think he’s lazy. It’s just that tentativeness can often look like laziness to a third-party.
I could be wrong, but that’s how I see it.
by SouthernCub on Jun 8, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
all I know is
that if he keeps on playing the way he is, he will play in more games, get more hits, drive in more runs, get more HRs, get more walks. I don’t see how you can point to that and say that it’s worse.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 8, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can do that because you're comparing apples to oranges...
You’re comparing what would be a full season’s worth of performance to 2/3 of a season’s worth of performance and saying he’s playing better. That’s not a logically valid argument. Honestly, this shouldn’t be that difficult to understand.
Last season, he had an OPS+ of 121. This season, he has an OPS+ of 100. Last season, he had a higher hit rate than he does this season. Last season, he had a (slightly) higher HR rate than he does this season. Last season, he had a higher walk rate than he does this season. Last season, he had a lower strikeout rate than he does this season. All of those things point to Soriano playing better last year than this year.
The ONLY reason that he is on pace to do better in HR, BB, and H (not to mention having almost twice as many Ks – I’m still not sure where you came up with the idea that he’d have about the same amount of Ks as last year) is because he’s on pace to play in about 40 more games.
He could have an OPS+ of around 85 and still be on pace to put up more HR, H, and BB than last year. I wouldn’t call that improvement, would you? Last year, when healthy, he was a top-notch offensive player. This year, he’s been exactly league average.
by SouthernCub on Jun 8, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe comparing last year at 1/3 of the way through the season?
That seems fair.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 8, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ooooooooooooo
the plot thickens! Thanks for sharing.
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by Kinky Reggae on Jun 8, 2009 10:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I am closing comments on this post....
… because it has degenerated into pointless sniping by readers of this site at other readers.
Everyone take a deep breath. It’s an off day and the Cubs won yesterday. Relax a little.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 8, 2009 2:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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