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Please stop the "Hendry's hands are tied" argument

Jim Hendry has been permitted to explode the payroll up to $136 million, or third highest in baseball and first highest in the National League.    What we have gotten for his wondrous spending spree is a .500 style ballclub that is playing more or less to that expectation level.   But for the love of God nobody sit there and pour out the excuse that the dilemma right now is that Hendry's hands are tied.    His hands weren't tied en route to spending $136 million !!!    You say a GM's hands are tied if you live in Milwaukee, Cincinnati or a whole host of baseball cities where there are legitimate restrictive financial limitations.   You DON'T pour out that sorry-ass excuse when explaining what has gone wrong with this ill-constructed roster.    It's like a long-addicted crack addict saying that they need to be allowed a couple more crack hits and then they will have the addiction thing conquered.  




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wtf?

Free Ronny Cedeno

by Kansas25 on Jun 7, 2009 12:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope......

…. he’s got enough toilet paper for what just happened.

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Jun 7, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously...

… I thought I knew what your point was but then you lost me. Are you trying to say his hands aren’t tied right now and he could fix this, or are you trying to say with all the money he had to work with no one could reasonably make an argument his hands were tied while he made this roster?

"When they signed Fukudome, I knew they were trying to get me fired". - Ron Santo, January, 2008

by BeerCub on Jun 7, 2009 1:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

not sure I understand what the point is here. I do think Hendry failed miserably this offseason but..well…I don’t know.

Kwa...Ki...Sur...Pee...Nee...Ku?

by Kinky Reggae on Jun 7, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fine let me make a trade that would give us a lot more monies

Zambrano to the White Sox
Poreda, Richard, and Egbert to the Padres
Peavy to the Cubs

Now we have lots of monies and an upgrade.

Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!

by Cub Style on Jun 7, 2009 1:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

god

no.

I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.

by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Personally I prefer Peavy to Zambrano

Even this year, Peavy has obviously settled down from his bad start and has only had 1 bad start since. Zambrano is an inconsistent, head case, who will probably end up on the DL at least once a year, and has an arm slot that seems to get lower by the day.

Plus you can’t tell me that Zambrano is far and away better than a former Cy Young winner who is still an elite pitcher.

Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!

by Cub Style on Jun 7, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Z won us

that game in Cincinatti. Peavy won’t be hitting too many home runs.

I wouldn’t trade Z for Peavy. I’d trade to get Peavy, but not Z.

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by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Check out Peavy's away splits.

He’s pretty inconsistent, too – away from Petco. And, as Drew mentioned, he can’t hit home runs.

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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 7, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But in his best years he's great everywhere

Also in May he had 3 Road starts.

LAD 8.0 IP 2 H 0 ER 8 K 115 pitches
CHI 6.0 IP 6 H 3 ER 9 K 111 pitches
ARI 6.2 IP 8 H 4 ER 5 K 95 pitches

Overall he’s good for at least 6 innings on the road of great ball. The start in Arizona wasn’t as bad as it looks since he had 5 straight scoreless with 2 hits to start the game and after the 3 runs scored in the 6th he settled down and go 3 straight outs. Against the Cubs he started 4 straight scoreless with 2 hits and Peavy did the same as he did against Arizonia in their 6th in this 6th inning.

All in all he was pretty solid.

Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!

by Cub Style on Jun 7, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Small sample size alert!

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jun 7, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok fine I'll reference stats I've said time and again. Road stats from his best years.

2007- 2.57 Road ERA 10-1 101 K .195 AVG
2.51 Home ERA
2005- 2.98 Road ERA 6-4 86 K .226 AVG
2.81 Home ERA
2004- 2.33 Road ERA 8-3 78 K .246 AVG
2.22 Home ERA

Started his good stretch in 2004 and had an off year in 2006.

Oh and it doesn’t help that he’s on a bad theam that he knows is shopping him

Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!

by Cub Style on Jun 7, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're cherry-picking numbers to back up your argument instead of looking at the whole picture.

I’ll simply point out that pitching isn’t the Cubs’ problem right now and I don’t want to decimate the farm system and pay $70 million to solve a problem that doesn’t exist.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jun 8, 2009 3:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A lot of things can change with a trade

By the way, I wouldn’t use 2006 just like I wouldn’t use 2007 or 2008 to evaluate Zambrano because they’re very average years. And 2008 is the notorious basis for this argument.

Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!

by Cub Style on Jun 8, 2009 6:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And a lot of people on GROTA

Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!

by Cub Style on Jun 7, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good for them.

Glad they’re not in charge. That would be a horrendous trade.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jun 7, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Zambrano

Zambrano is dropping his arm slot. And has been since he got hurt in 07. The results haven’t been great. These articles show some differences.
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/carlos-zambranos-lower-arm-slot-cause-for-concern/
http://www.drivelinemechanics.com/2008/9/1/605323/carlos-zambrano-s-dead-arm
http://www.drivelinemechanics.com/2008/8/29/603653/comparing-carlos-zambrano

Zambrano’s Home/Road Splits
2009- 4.62 Home ERA 1-1 23 K .273 AVG
2.97 Away ERA 3-1 30 K .231 AVG
2008*- 3.77 Home ERA 7-2 62 K .253 AVG
4.07 Away ERA 7-4 68 K .229 AVG
2007*- 4.96 Home ERA 80 K .256 AVG
3.06 Away ERA 12-4 97 K .211 AVG
2006- 3.75 Home ERA 7-6 128 K .209 AVG
2.97 Away ERA 9-1 82 K .208 AVG
2005- 2.77 Home ERA 7-2 93 K .211 AVG
3.78 Away 7-4 109 K ERA .213 AVG
2004- 2.38 Home ERA 10-2 89 K .198 AVG
3.13 Away ERA 6-6 91 K .251 AVG
2003- 3.00 Home ERA 5-6 84 K .249 AVG
3.22 Away ERA 8-5 84 K .230 AVG
2002- 4.09 Home ERA 2-5 61 K .234 AVG
2.98 Away ERA 2-3 32 K .237 AVG

*Overall an average year.

The guy is getting worse as well, especially since becoming the ace.
I’m not saying the guy is not a great pitcher, I don’t think he’s elite as most people here do.

Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!

by Cub Style on Jun 7, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As I've said many times before...

…I don’t think Big Z is an “ace.” He’s just a very good pitcher – much like Jake Peavy. So the 3-way trade proposed above would seemingly be only a lateral move that benefits the White Sox and Padres more than the Cubs.

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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 8, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well it would give us more wiggle room to make a move now.

But I’m glad someone agrees with me about Z.

Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!

by Cub Style on Jun 8, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i am confuzzled

this was like trying to read a bowl of spaghetti

baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out

by Cubbie-Tim on Jun 7, 2009 1:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What about Spaghetti-Os?

Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!

by Cub Style on Jun 7, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ummm

His hands are tied b/c he doles out NTC clauses like M&Ms on Halloween

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jun 7, 2009 2:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think his point is...

that the reason Hendry has no salary room to maneuver is that he overspent in the past, and the only one to blame for the current situation is him. I agree to a certain extent, as I think a few of the contracts he signed were excessively large (Soriano and Fukudome’s contracts in particular are going to look real bad in hindsight). However, that argument isn’t entirely fair, as the Cubs would not have made the playoffs the last two years running without those guys. The Cubs had as good a shot as they ever did to win it all last year, and if that had happened, all those massive contracts would have been worth every penny. Unfortunately that didn’t happen, but I don’t think you can blame Jim for trying.

by Poloplaya14 on Jun 7, 2009 2:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sure you can

He was bidding against himself for Soriano, and God only knows what he thought he saw in Fukudome…not that hes not capable, but he’s not 48M capable.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jun 7, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Word has it

that Dome turned down larger offers to play in Chicago because he wanted to play for a contender and a team with a long tradition.

Hendry isn’t the only GM who went after Dome, and he’s not the only one to offer a ton of money. This is the market. It’s crazy — NO baseball player is worth $48 million dollars. It’s not about worth, it’s about what the market will bear.

I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.

by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No one is worth that, yes

but its proportional….he isnt a 12M/yr player…so it is about worth relative to the rest of the league

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jun 7, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think

you can’t make that assessment in the first third of the second year of a contract.

I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.

by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the writings on the wall

guys who hit 270 with 10 HRS arent worth 48M

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jun 8, 2009 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not just about batting average and home runs.

It’s also about OBP and great defense.

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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 8, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well if those are his only 2 positives, hes still vastly overpaid

which I suppose was my point, b/c as we’re seeing, he’s begging his summer swoon

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jun 8, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

beginning

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Jun 8, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We'll see.

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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 8, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we don't know

what we’re seeing yet. It’s the eighth day of June, Dome has had very few PAs.

I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.

by drewishdrewid on Jun 8, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When can we make the assessment?

At the end of this year, the contract will be halfway over. At that point, will we know?

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by D98 on Jun 8, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we at least need to wait

to see if the June fall-off was a one-time thing, or if it is something Dome will do every year.

I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.

by drewishdrewid on Jun 8, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please stop creating posts that lack "facts" argument

Unless the Mets have switched to the AL, the Cubs are not the highest in the NL. How hard is it to do a simple google search to find out that it goes

Yankees
Mets
Cubs

I suppose being accurate would get in the way of stomping your feet and screaming.

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Jun 7, 2009 3:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

For the record, the Cubs are NOT the highest NL payroll.

Mets – $149M
Cubs – $134M

From Cot’s.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Jun 7, 2009 3:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe not this year....

"Pounding sand since 1982...."

by cubswynn on Jun 7, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They are now...

I think Pirates swept ’em and they gave a win to Nationals.

Plus Reyes is now more hurt than expected.

by ak123 on Jun 7, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Apologize for the needless wordiness and confusion

My point? Saying Hendry’s hands are tied as the excuse is like saying a 350 pound fat lady isn’t being allowed to eat more Twinkies. Hendry has spent and spent and spent and spent and spent already. And it has gotten us nothing but a .500 type ballclub playing .500 type baseball. Cub are saddled with so many big and bad contracts that it is depressing to contemplate the next few years.

You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little messed up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?

by BLou on Jun 7, 2009 6:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What you say makes sense in a way.

Yes, Hendry has overspent. Unfortunately, he can’t spend any more right now. Why is that so hard to understand?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jun 7, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hendry has been given a very, very generous payroll to work with

And he has completely blown it. The Cubs have in my view the worst payroll situation in baseball. The Soriano, Kosuke, Bradley, Lee and Dempster contracts are all bad. And I for the life of me would like to understand how some of you think the payroll will actually go up with Ricketts takes over given that the family is financing $450 million of the purchase price.

Fire Kenney, Hendry, Flieta, Wilken. Let Lou go home. Blow this thing up.

You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little messed up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?

by BLou on Jun 7, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is no way they blow it up

Even though I agree to an extent. Not until this ownership deal goes down don’t expect any changes. When that goes through and depending on where the club sits in the standings you may see moves.
 Cubs don’t make the playoffs I can see both Hendry and Pinella gone.

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by Grockcubs on Jun 7, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

never mind that

the new owners will be beholden to the existing player contracts anyway, including all the NTCs.

Ricketts has lots of money. He’s financing this deal the way he is because that’s the way Zell is demanding it. If Ricketts wants to raise the payroll, he’ll do it.

I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.

by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jun 7, 2009 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That may happen....

…and I hope Rickett’s does open up the wallet. But if he does, I hope he has the foresight to correct issues at the top of the baseball operations, so they don’t keep making the same mistake over and over again.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Jun 8, 2009 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BLou

Haven’t you made this point many times in the past?

by leothelip on Jun 7, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you saying the Cubs should do this right now?

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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 8, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hendry took some chances...

…and they may end up costing him his job, we’ll see.

I don’t really blame him for being aggressive in free agency (if you got the dough, spend it), although the type of contracts he dolls out (back loaded, no trade etc.) will be like bright lights in his rear view mirror if the Cubs don’t accomplish something big this year. In fact, both Dale Tallon and Hendry may both be in the same boat (losing their job) even though they have had some success, because both of put their clubs in precarious positions with the structure of certain contracts.

What I blame Hendry for (and always have) was and still is his inability to develop a farm system that could develop a consistant flow of talent to the big league club. If he could have accomplished this, the Cubs wouldn’t have had to spend like drunken sailors to get competitive.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Jun 8, 2009 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree - time will tell.

A disaster this season could cost Hendry his job. On the other hand, no one would be complaining about backloaded contracts if the Cubs had brought home a championship in the last couple of years – or if they do it this year.

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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 9, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly.

That’s just what I said when the Cubs signed Soriano to the eight-year deal. Sure, the last couple years of that deal look real bad, but if the Cubs win it all in the first 2-3 years no one will care.

This is the third year. Time to win.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jun 9, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree...

…if the Cubs bring home the prize, it would have been well worth it. With minimal flow from their farm system, they really didn’t have any choice to take the FA route to give themselves a shot. The problem with this approach is – you eventually hit the wall with either aging players who aren’t worth much anymore, or completely untradeable deals where you have to eat big money to unload guys. Without a decent flow from the farm, you will eventually hit some lean years.

Let’s hope they can find the magic soon, because the window is starting to crank shut on this core group.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Jun 10, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like it or not, though

Hendry’s hands are tied. I do see your point that he can’t really use it as an excuse, and yes he is the one that signed all those contracts, for better or worse, but right now Hendry has no payroll flexibility. It’s not entirely Jim’s fault though. The economy is in bad shape and the sale of the Cubs has gone on longer than expected. Those two factors definitely put an additional strain on the payroll.

by Poloplaya14 on Jun 7, 2009 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly.

That’s why we say “his hands are tied”. Were they before? No, and he made both good and bad decisions with the money.

Now, though, there’s no money to work with. Not sure why BLou doesn’t get this.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jun 7, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What happened to the Hendry I knew...

I am debating whether Jim Hendry is going an injustice to us Cubs fans by not making a move to pick up a third basemen. To see the failure that this offense has produced over the entire season, and to announce that we will continue to wait for the return of a-ram is unacceptable. Very discouraging….

by cliffyhoops03 on Jun 7, 2009 6:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agree

 A lot of people are putting there stock in " Well as long as we stay close until Ramy gets back" who knows what type of Ramirez we will get. To expect him to come back where he left off is unrealistic.

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Jun 7, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Miles was supposed to be that backup.

So was Freel. I don’t see how Hendry can go to the club and say “I want to get another infielder.” The roster already holds

Lee (1b)
Fontenot (2b/3b)
Scales (2b)
Blanco (2b/SS)
Miles (2b/Suck)
Freel (2b/3b/Farney)
Riot (SS-that-should-be-at-2nd)

That’s 7 players.

Plus, where does this mythical all-star replacement 3b come from? What do we have to trade that we can afford to give away, and where does the money that BLou says we don’t have come from? No one’s gonna take Miles off our hands and pick up all of his salary.

I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.

by drewishdrewid on Jun 7, 2009 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We obviously need to fire JH...

and hire a sorceror

Free Ronny Cedeno

by Kansas25 on Jun 7, 2009 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Care to name a name?

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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 8, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that moves/trades are limited at best.

By far and away the biggest hurdle, in my opinion, is the sale of the Cubs. Until the sale goes through there is little that Hendry can do trade wise to help cover the holes. Ideally once the sale is final then we’ll see what kind of leeway Ricketts gives Hendry to do something.

The NTC contracts also present a problem also as Hendry can make a great deal only to have it shot down by a player who doesn’t want to be traded or at least not traded to to the team Hendry has struck a deal with (see Peavy to the Sox). Then of course there is the problem of just how much will you have to give up minor league talent wise to get a deal done. I don’t think any trade would just include players on the 25 man ML roster.

Would I like to see a deal to bring a real 3B to the Cubs to bridge the team to Ramirez’ return? Of course. Two that could be available Kouzmanoff and Atkins? But, who goes to make the trade? Don’t think the Padres or Rockies make a trade without getting some good young players back….just how many do we have in the minors? Then what do you do with guys on the 25 man roster to make room….Miles, Freel…they’re not going back to the minors. DFA them and pay them to play somewhere else? Or worse…pay them to sit home? Obviously that is not a solution to solve payroll problems.

I think it’s a grin and bear it for now. Hope the Cubs can stay somewhat close until they get healthy and make a run at the division title. If it doesn’t happen……we can always say “wait ’til next year.”

by Rkfd Die Hard on Jun 7, 2009 8:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

They won 97 games last year.

They are underachieving. A few key players have spent time on the Dl though.

"Live and be happy, beloved children of my heart, and never forget that until the day comes when God will deign to reveal the future to man, all human wisdom is contained in these words: wait and hope!" - The Count of Monte Cristo

by Bricks and Ivy on Jun 7, 2009 11:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

They need to develop a farm system

that can supply some everyday players. Right now, the system appears to mirror the Sahara. If Hendry has failed, that’s where he has come up short. The Cub farm system has not produced position players since the days of Dallas Green

"I still don't know what happened"- Fergie Jenkins on '69

by tommy veryzer on Jun 8, 2009 6:48 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Except for Soto and Theriot, two productive starters.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jun 8, 2009 7:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not to mention all of the pitchers they have produced

from their farm system and all of the players they traded for productive players like Lee and Ramirez.

Hey, it's a new century!

by cowsarecool220 on Jun 8, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed- that's why I said position players

Even though those trades featured Hee Sop Choi and Bobby Hill, who, along with Cory Patterson and Felix Pie, were total busts at the major league level. They did perform in the minors, though

"I still don't know what happened"- Fergie Jenkins on '69

by tommy veryzer on Jun 8, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In the last 15 years...

…Soto and Theriot are about all they have to show in regards to position players.

The Cubs have failed in this area miserably, and Hendry has been involved in the farm since 94. You can not be consistantly competiitve without a solid farm system (unless you spend 200 mil), and the Cubs could be heading for some lean years when the window closes on this current core group.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Jun 9, 2009 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even the Yankees have a good farm system!

Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!

by Cub Style on Jun 9, 2009 6:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They do?

Since when? Since the Yankees got Jeter, Posada and Rivera out of their system in the mid-90’s, the only good player they’ve developed is Robinson Cano. That’s it.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jun 9, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed- to a point

Both came out of nowhere and suceeded. But aside from Vitters, is there anything there that can help in the next few years? Other teams- Brewers, Cards and Reds in particular, have far more productive systems that ease the pain of losing the occasional regular to injury- the Cubs just don’t have that. Iowa’s line up looks like an old timers game for B list players

"I still don't know what happened"- Fergie Jenkins on '69

by tommy veryzer on Jun 8, 2009 11:29 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You shouldn't be looking at Iowa.

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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 8, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you are looking for help now, you should

"I still don't know what happened"- Fergie Jenkins on '69

by tommy veryzer on Jun 8, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The help has already arrived.

His name is Jake Fox. And Andres Blanco. And Jose Ascanio. And Jason Waddell. There is no cavalry. There will be no rescue mission.

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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 8, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And not much help there

n/t

"I still don't know what happened"- Fergie Jenkins on '69

by tommy veryzer on Jun 8, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's funny, we call up the hottest minor league hitter to sit on the bench.

Kind of reminds you of Felix Pie doesn’t it.

Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!

by Cub Style on Jun 8, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, it does.

What’s funnier is that the two players are perfect opposites. Felix could play great D but couldn’t hit consistently (in very limited playing time). Jake has hit with some consistency (in very limited playing time) but can’t play D.

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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 8, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now we have to do it with pitchers!!!!!

Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!

by Cub Style on Jun 8, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sad pathetic truth of the matter is that Josh Vitters is the only positional prospect who you can geniunelly feel good about right now

And Vitters is all the way down in Low-A ball. It is pathetic and inexcusable that there is not a single other positional prospect in the system that generates any sort of buzz or where all the talk is about his upside and potential. Not a single God-damned one. Which leaves the dull-witted Jim Hendry to keeping taking risky and very expensive moves in free agency.

You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little messed up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?

by BLou on Jun 8, 2009 12:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think his hands are tied..

His hands are only tied by the moves that haven’t worked out for him. One of the biggest ones not being talked about is Lou Pinella. Lou is a great manager and HE DID get us to the NL central title the last two years. However, our team wasn’t prepared either year for the playoffs and Lou got OUT MANAGED both times. Sorry, I love Lou, but his insistence on Mike Fontenot playing 3b, Soriano leading off, NOT sitting GEO earlier, allowing Soriano to play LF the way he has, come on. How many times do we have to watch these guys score little to no runs and try to win a 2-1 game that the bullpen can’t hold down, leading to an extra inning game that we win or lose.

As long as this team is “in contention” Jim won’t make any moves. What moves can he make? You can’t trade Soriano, you can’t trade DLEE, can’t trade FUKU/Bradley, and you can’t trade DLEE. In the Tribune company’s attempt to make this team more marketable to a buyer they handed out a ton of CASH. Yeah, some of the deals seemed great at the time, but to be paying a guy $18million a year to loaf after balls in the outfield, not be able to pick up the baseball in the outfiled, hit .250 and strikeout on the low and away breaking ball half the time. COME ON. sorry for the rant, frustrated.

by IVYHOPESDreams on Jun 8, 2009 3:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

who would you play

at third? Freel’s on the DL. Miles can’t do it. Scales can’t do it. I don’t know if Blanco could do it, and SOMEONE has to play second when Fonty’s at third.

I’m not going to start another endless argument about Alfonso Soriano, but he’s not the black hole people make him out to be.

I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.

by drewishdrewid on Jun 8, 2009 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would rather...

I would rather see Soriano at 2b, Fox in LF and Hoffpuair in RF. I know Fox isn’t the savior and he won’t hit up here as well as he did in Iowa, but this team is desperate for some hitting. WHY SIT him on the pine. He’s been given one shot to play a game in RF and didn’t get a ball hit to him and 5 innings to play 3b. The coaches should be working with him on his D and getting him game ready. What the heck are they doing. This lineup would look much better:

Sori 2b
Theriot ss
Hoff rf
Lee 1b
Fox lf
Fuku cf
Fontenot 3b
Soto/Hill c

by IVYHOPESDreams on Jun 8, 2009 3:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh boy...

Do you have any idea how bad a second baseman Alfonso Soriano is? Do you have any idea how poor that outfield would be defensively? Dome would probably injure himself trying to cover left and right fields. And you’ve still got Fontenot at 3B. I thought you said that was a bad thing.

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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 8, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

now there

is a way to write off a season. Egad.

Fox is a ready-made DH. His defensive skills are very poor. When he played in right field, Reed Johnson came over, what, 100 feet to catch a ball that was CLEARLY in right field so as to not have to let Fox try to catch it.

I can see putting Hoff in to the OF to rest players every so often, but his role is off the bench. The only reason Fox is up is because Rami is on the DL.

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by drewishdrewid on Jun 8, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and Alan Trammell HAS been working with Fox...

…on playing third base. The fact that Jake hasn’t appeared at that position for more than the odd inning or so probably indicates how that’s coming along.

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by dat cubfan daver on Jun 8, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

then this team NEEDs to make a move

Why not make a move. ARAM coming back WILL NOT turn this entire offense around. I do agree that teams are able to pitch to our hitters differently without ARAM in there, but ARAM coming back will not change Soriano swinging at the low and away pitch.

by IVYHOPESDreams on Jun 8, 2009 6:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

why not make a move?

because we have little to trade. Because there’s no money. Because there’s nothing out there on the market that will make us better.

It’s not like fantasy baseball where I get to say “Give me Peavy and I’ll give you Murton, Fox, Hoffpauir, Gathright and Bako” and you actually do it.

I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.

by drewishdrewid on Jun 8, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow what kind of fantasy league are you in?

Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!

by Cub Style on Jun 9, 2009 6:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not

but I’m sure similar transactions have happened. :D

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by drewishdrewid on Jun 9, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Care to name some names?

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