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The Nature Of Being A Cubs Fan, And A Request For Civility

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Don't be like this here.

In recent days, two people who post here who I have great respect for -- drewishdrewid and Shanghai Badger -- have made these two posts describing the nature of being a fan, how and why they became Cubs fans, and offered some of their thoughts on why the discussion here at BCB occasionally becomes contentious and tempers flare.

The latter is to some extent understandable. As was noted in those posts, "fan" is short for "fanatic". That's how most of us feel, I think, about the baseball team that brings us together on this website.

So I thought this morning I would post a few (OK, many) words on how I became a fan of the Chicago Cubs; many of you have been around here for a while and have a pretty good idea of who I am and the nature of my "fanaticism" about the Cubs. But if you are new here, this will give you a better idea of just who this guy is who runs Bleed Cubbie Blue.

I'm 52 years old. In sports blogging terms, that's ... well, let's just say that I'm the oldest blogger among the now more than 200 SB Nation sites. I like to think that being around all the twenty and thirty somethings who make up the bulk of the SBN bloggers helps keep me feeling young and plugged in to what's going on in the modern sports world. But I also believe that my age and the length of time I've been a fan helps give me some perspective on the Cubs and their long history... of failure, which will make the ultimate success, winning a World Series, that much sweeter when it happens.

I saw my first game at Wrigley Field on July 6, 1963; I was not quite seven years old. My dad took me, as do so many fathers with their young sons (and daughters, too). Perhaps preparing me for a lifetime of Cubs failure, they got shut out that day on two hits. But upon finding out that I could come home from school and watch the Cubs every afternoon on TV, I was hooked. WGN-TV created at least two generations of Cubs fans with daytime TV and Jack Brickhouse, and then another one with Harry Caray on national cable in the 1980's. And the Cubs were just beginning to become a good team after two decades of being awful. The late 60's baseball heroes my generation had -- Banks, Williams, Santo, Jenkins et. al. were supposed to be the ones to bring the Cubs back to victory. (Shameless plug: if you haven't purchased the 2009 Maple Street Cubs Annual, I've got a long article about the 1969 Cubs that will give you a good feeling of what it was like to be a fan that year, if you are too young to have experienced it yourself.)

The epic fail of 1969 only brought my friends and I who were Cubs fans closer together. In my college years, as happens to many, I set the Cubs in the background (good thing, too: the 1974-76 Cubs were awful) only to return in 1977 when that team raced out to a 47-22 start; that team finished at .500.

And so the story goes, familiar to all of you: tantalizing teases of potential triumphs in 1984, 1989, 1998, 2003, 2007 and 2008, all ending in disasters of varying types.

And yet we persevere. Why? Perhaps it is in part because of the years, decades, of losing -- it brings us together to support each other; we all know how every other Cubs fan feels, how generations have lived and died without knowing the taste of a title. My dad, now nearly 88, isn't as big a Cubs fan as I am, yet I know he reads this blog and follows the team so we can discuss them from time to time; many of you have family connections with the Cubs going back two or three generations. Wrigley Field connects families in that way, too; I know there are varying opinions on what should be done with Wrigley in the future (check out another article in the Maple Street annual for my take on it), but there is no doubt that the ballpark is part of the attachment to the team for many, myself included -- and for me, for the people I have met there and attend games with. They, too, are like family. When the Cubs do win, I'll get to celebrate in the bleachers with so many of my close friends.

Though I do understand statistical analysis and advanced metrics, I don't do a lot of such analysis, leaving that to others who know the numbers better. What I do believe is that there is more to winning baseball than numbers on a spreadsheet; it is played by human beings on a field, not on a computer, and that play can be only forecast by numbers. It can also be affected by a myriad of other factors, including personal troubles; we need only look at the recent revelation of the heartbreaking trouble that Ryan Dempster's young daughter has suffered to understand that such a thing could easily affect Dempster's on-field performance. In any work endeavor, each of us tries hard not to bring personal problems to the workplace. That's not always easy.

And that brings me to the discussion of "can't we all just get along". I have had numerous back-and-forths with statistically oriented posters who disagree with me on the effects of non-statistical factors in baseball. Most of those discussions are civil; some haven't been. All I ask of people on this site when you are disagreeing with someone else is to be nice -- stay clear of profanity and don't namecall. This shouldn't be that difficult. When you sign up for this site, you agree to the following (boldface added for emphasis):

When posting at this blog, please follow this one simple rule: Before hitting "post" to post your remarks, ask yourself: "Would I be embarrassed to say this in front of strangers who were physically present in the room with me and could respond to my face?" If the answer is "yes," then don't post. BCB encourages and welcomes all opinions, no matter how strong; however, personal attacks, vulgarity, and other uncivilized forms of expression are not welcome.

I don't think it should be that difficult to do that. Though some may disagree, I think I have been extremely tolerant here of people who haven't always kept that rule. If you break it, expect to be asked to leave. If your purpose here is to disrupt the site, make it about me rather than the Cubs, or to troll, expect to not be allowed here. Otherwise, this site is open for discussion, though I have asked and will continue to ask that religion and politics be left out of it. Those are polarizing topics and there are plenty of places on the interwebs to talk about them. We can get polarized enough just about our baseball team; let's leave those even more contentious things out of it.

So let's go on and focus on our ideas and thoughts on improving the status of this Cubs team, which despite its injuries, bad construction and other foibles, is only 3.5 games out of first place. Perhaps out of all this turmoil will come the ultimate victory this fall. Go Cubs.

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Good, I think we needed one of these, at least I did.

Third generation here. Grandfather and father grew up in Gary, Indiana, and before my grandfather passed, he gave me his Cubs hat and told me I had to see a World Series. That was enough for me. Hooked for life.

Dan

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Jun 9, 2009 8:58 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m the same age as you and been through the same things. I still cherish the late 60’s teams (or at least the players on those teams). It’s been tough being a Cubs fan in St. Louis the last 26 years. It probably would have been smart to switch my allegiance to the Cards back then, but I just couldn’t do it.

I did take my boys to Wrigley field for a games the last two years and the younger one decided he’d rather be a Cub fan. I hope he’s rewarded for that.

Go State!

by Spartan1979 on Jun 9, 2009 9:06 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm a touch older than you and Al (54) but I echo the sentiment of this post.

Well said Al and hang in there. The good people who participate in BCB far outweigh the “not so good”. And your story of growing up to be a Cubs fan mirror’s mine with the exception that I grew up in SW Michigan. Heck, I was probably six before I knew I didn’t live in Illinois. With only a small transistor radio and 5 VHF channels on our TV (2, 5, 7, 9 & 11), all our media WAS from Chicago. ;)

Go Green! Go White! GO STATE!
King Leonidas: Spartans! What is your profession?
Spartans: HA-OOH! HA-OOH! HA-OOH!

by Zeke on Jun 9, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice Post

I sit at home after the Cubs lose and wanna pound sand but I know I live in a state without that kinda land. I know in my heart Sori isn't a guess hitting hack and that Dero will never be back. Pitching is King, some do say and hopefully Aaron Miles doesn't play in a Cub uniform another day. By October this I know, to the playoffs we are for sure to go. Go Cubbies!!

by cubsluver22 on Jun 9, 2009 9:11 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice job Mr Word Smith!

I agree Al.

sidenote—my first game experience was similar to your own—Sept. 2, 1962—-soon to be 8 years old..my dad took our family to see Ken Hubbs set a fielding record for either consecutive chance or games—can’t recall—met Jack Brickhouse in the concourse before the game—Lou Brock and my soon to be hero, Ron Santo each had two hits for the the Cubs.

"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you also be like to him."
Solomon

by cubfever7 on Jun 9, 2009 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey Al.

I saw a kid named Yellon playing catcher for the Wrigleyville Eagles yesterday up in Loyola Park. Any relation?
I live across the street and sometimes watch an inning or two.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Jun 9, 2009 9:21 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You watched that game?

I was there. That’s my son. They won the game 8-6; that was the league championship. You should have stopped by to say hi!

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jun 9, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

I looked around, as I can recognize you by face, but didn’t see you. Perhaps you were in the stands along the 1st base side? It was kind of hard to see who was sitting up there from where I was standing.

I just watched a couple innings, as I often do, and kept moving along. I saw the 1st catcher blow up in steam, and throw his gear everywhere. LOL. Was kind of funny. Then I saw your son get a pinch hit walk, and sub-in for him.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Jun 9, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was sitting in those stands for a while, yes.

Sorry you didn’t stick around!

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jun 9, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh... and congrats on the Championship Win!

If I knew it was a championship game, I would’ve stayed till the end.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Jun 9, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Those Yellons... they're everywhere!!

Very exciting. :-)

There is no infinity button for failing in sports. At some point, things turn. They always do. - Bill Simmons

by Allie on Jun 9, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Congratulations, Mark and Al!

From another father with a catcher in a youth league. (We lost the league championship game this year, though, by a run.)

by Fraggin Judge on Jun 9, 2009 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He also pitches, though he didn't yesterday.

He’s on one other team that’s still playing. I’ll see if I can take some pics of him pitching later this summer.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jun 9, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really enjoyed your sharing of becoming a fan

I’m from the same era, and I didn’t become a Cub fan – I was born a Cub fan. I remember my Mom taking me every week during the summer to Friday "ladies day". She got in free, I was half price, we brought our lunch, usually the upper deck was closed, but the enthusiasm, even for terrible teams, was unforgettable.

When I started to go to games with my friends, and sit in the bleachers, it coincided with the fantastic ride in 1969. Looking back forty years, I remember that team not so much for the success and ultimate failure, but for the individuals. Not just the HOF’ers, but also Beckert and Kessinger, Hickman (he was my favorite that year), Selma (remember his signal to the bleachers) … so much more. There were no FA’s, no mercenaries, these were the guys we grew up with for a long period, and it created a bond that is hard to recreate in the current era.

Today, I can get mad, frustrated, and be critical; I think any fan that cares does that. But, never to the point of giving up, that part was locked in long ago.

BTW, I picked up the Maple St. Cubs Annual, and your 69 artticle was first rate. Really enjoyed it.

by BatCubFan on Jun 9, 2009 9:22 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Al, your site just might be the best sports-oriented thing on the web...

I read it every day – usually several times a day. I’m a long-time journalist and author and have written extensively about the Cubs. I made an initial comment here last off-season, suggesting the Cubs consider a deal for Jose Reyes. The response, if not overtly hostile or threatening, was smart-assed and snarky. To be honest, I’m never in the mood to be sniped at by anonymous types. I decided at that moment it wasn’t worth posting comments here. Too bad – I really, really want to engage in smart discussions with knowledgeable Cubs fans. I will keep reading, though. Keep up the great work!

Joe, you coulda made us proud!

by copingwiththecubs on Jun 9, 2009 9:23 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Like I said....

… I strongly encourage those sorts of smart discussions, as you put it. I hope this post will lead to more of those, and less snark.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jun 9, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't get me wrong...

The entire Internet is filled with people who express passive aggression. BCB is no more guilty of it than any other site. You have a ton of thoughtful people who post and comment. Sadly, though, when you lie down with dogs…. Anyway, this exchange might cause me to reconsider. Maybe I was being too sensitive. We’ll see.

Joe, you coulda made us proud!

by copingwiththecubs on Jun 9, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The FanPosts or Game Recaps are usually a good place to start.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Jun 9, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stay. Away. From. Game. Threads.

If things are going well, they are actually a fairly pleasant place to spend your afternoon or evening. I love nothing more than having my TV tuned in to the game while i hang out in the game threads. But the second things go awry, there are those here that lose sight of reality and boil over. And then, its no place for anybody interested in civil discourse.

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"

by AndrewJStone on Jun 9, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Give it a shot again.

More input makes things more interesting.

FWIW, I don’t remember the comments you’d posted, but I’d love for the Cubs to get Reyes . . . .

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 9, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As in Jose Reyes?

That would be awesome!

"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"

by HIGGY on Jun 9, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We already had him...

see

Oh…wait a minute…do you mean the OTHER Jose Reyes?

Never mind

Kasey

See what old Cubs Scorecards looked like at http://cubsbythenumbers.com/scorecards.html
Also, see the Cubs 2009 schedule at http://cubsbythenumbers.com/sched2009.html

by kaseyi on Jun 9, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boy, I wish we had him 5 years ago

“We did.”

This guy here is dead.
“Cross him off, then.”

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 9, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look at this f'n guy.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Jun 9, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, you may run like Hayes

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 9, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But you hit like s*@t.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 9, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What is...

…MAJOR LEAGUE??

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Jun 9, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sh#t, I've been cut already?

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 9, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too high, too high...

Believe or Leave ~Cubswynn 9/9/2008

by slcathena on Jun 9, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What does that mean?

Who gives a s$#t? It’s gone.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 9, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let me personally mention that is the kind of fan posts I am missing

Someone posting something that can teach me something.

"That's what you live for. You live for the opportunity and when that day comes, you better be ready," Soto said. "I tried to make sure that whenever they gave me a chance, I was ready and I knew I had to take advantage of the opportunity."

by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 9, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There used to be more of those

SouthernCub’s new one is interesting

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 9, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly.

Those are the fanposts that would draw me and then I would ponder these things w/ some of my real life baseball buddies.

"That's what you live for. You live for the opportunity and when that day comes, you better be ready," Soto said. "I tried to make sure that whenever they gave me a chance, I was ready and I knew I had to take advantage of the opportunity."

by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 9, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well said my friend.

What distinguishes this site is Al. Not only do you do such a better job than newspapers or other internet accounts of games, you bring your personal affair with the Cubs into consideration. You are not a faint of heart fan. I know if I personally go to a spring training game or a game in Chicago, I can find Al, share a conversation and usually get some information. I read this site every day, sometimes two or three times a day because I know if it happens, I’ll “hear” it here first. Being a couple of years older than Al, I like his perspective and knowledge because I normally agree with it. I like many posters opinions too! Al doesn’t take many days off….if any! I can count on this site being up to date and informative and we have one person to thank. As far as I’m concerned, let’s leave it that way. Follow the rules and follow the Cubs and let us know what you think. Al does this better than anyone.

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on Jun 9, 2009 9:30 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

+oo (infinity)

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: thank you Al for all your hard work.

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Jun 9, 2009 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks to both of you for your kind words.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jun 9, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Al, I was remiss in not saying thank you for the kind words in the main post

So, “thank you”.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 9, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're welcome.

I liked your post and thought it was worth adding my own thoughts.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jun 9, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great Post

Thanks, Al.

Its unfortunate that this is perhaps the 3rd or 4th posting you’ve made on etiquette and such so far this season, but its is always appreciative that the moderator takes a responsible role as parent and gaurdian to the rest of the family.

Also, there’s no question that the success of last year has led to high expectations and subsequent increased (f)analysis on this year. Its more than likely just been tough for the rest of us to express that disappointment in a civil way after last year’s success.

Ah well, the ups and downs are certainly a part of cubdom…onward and upward!!!

"I got a PBS mind in an MTV world"...Jimmy Buffett

by The Ryno and I Know on Jun 9, 2009 9:31 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Rock on.

My mother raised me to be a baseball fan. 2003 made me a Cubs fan, although I’d been watching them for years before that.

BCB made me a Cubs fanatic. :D

I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.

by drewishdrewid on Jun 9, 2009 9:33 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

exactly my story

I had been watching every summer growing up, but I never REALLY cared. It was just sort of something on the side. But 2003 It hooked me like nothing else. I knew then I was a Cubs fan. Then the Red Sox/Yankees Series of 2004 made baseball my favorite sport by a wide margin.

Great post Al, Go Cubs!

Albert Pujols for Cubs Starting 1B in 2011

by heine41 on Jun 9, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have

however, already indoctrinated my son. :D

I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.

by drewishdrewid on Jun 9, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good For You Drew!

My kids are still just figments of my imagination, but someday in the not too distant future :)

Albert Pujols for Cubs Starting 1B in 2011

by heine41 on Jun 9, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm very similar to you

In that 2003 made me a Cubs fan.

But where I differ is that I was a baseball fan before that, except that my mother did not raise me to be a baseball fan. Before 2003, I watched whoever I felt like. That year, my grandfather rubbed off enough Cubs on me to make me a Cubs fan.

I am also trying to indoctrinate someone I know into Cubs nation, though the person really does not understand baseball that much. I’ll keep at it, though!

Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 9, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Al, you and I have similar experiences

My first game was when I was 8, and the Cubs got shut out by the Phillies. I was in upper deck in right field and the only player I could actually see through my binoculars was Ron Cey.
I went to college during the mid 90’s and put the Cubs in the background, which was also probably a good thing (the strike year was the year I graduated from highschool).

by daeviant on Jun 9, 2009 9:36 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I view us all as one big Corleone family

Al is Vito.

We squabble. We despise each other at times, like Connie and Michael despised each other, or Michael’s kids despised him.

But when the Cardinals (Barzinis) or Brewers (Tattagalias) come calling, then it’s all hands on deck.

Even BLou, who is the closest thing we have to a Fredo, is part of the family. (Until he breaks our heart and we have to kiss him on the lips and send him fishing)

You NEVER speak against the family to others. When those wayward Cardinals fans stray in here, I change my tune.

Yes, I just recently re-read and re-watched Godfather. I may have to post an OT about how it’s the greatest movie in the history of the universe at some point.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jun 9, 2009 9:37 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1 from anaolgy police

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on Jun 9, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

analogy (sorry)

This is only the beginning....Lou Pinella end of '07 season and Chicago Transit Authority (the band when they were really good).

by mrcubsfan on Jun 9, 2009 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

GREAT MOVIE....MAYBE THE BEST EVER....

Kids got it for me Christmas about 10 yrs ago..then hit it and the book as they knew that all I would do on x-mas day……Still a classic isn’t it ???

by cubs north on Jun 9, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

actually, I would have pegged BLou (or the old Worf) as Sonny... ;-)

What BCB really needs is a Luca Brasi for the game threads to help “keep the peace”.

As for who is Moe Green… well, there’s no shortage of choices that drift down from evil BCB. ;-)

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jun 9, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll be Sonny

Coolest death scene EVER!

Al can choose his own Luca Brasi.

There is no such thing as an ugly female breast

by Worf on Jun 9, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You NEVER speak against the family to others. When those wayward Cardinals fans stray in here, I change my tune.

A Brewers fan came in here recently, after the Cubs lost to the Reds last week. I followed your example when he came in here, so it’s not just you.

Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 9, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I did, too - unfortunately

I should have just ignored him. That particular one only comes here to stir up trouble. TedSimmons’SpeedCamp is capable of having a discussion; FlagUp just likes to taunt.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 9, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

only had 298 more saves left in his arm.

That kinda made me cry, and laugh at the same time. Good story.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Jun 9, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd for:
There are a lot of unavoidable bad things in life that you have no control over: health, family issues, economy, war, etc. Following the Cubs (or any sports team) is a choice. If it adds to your life, go for it. If it takes away from your life, do something else. Frustration at the events will be inevitable. Personal sniping and negativity help nobody.

Perfect. Just perfect.

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"

by AndrewJStone on Jun 9, 2009 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent, I agree +1

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Jun 9, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lee Smith

Believe me in 1991 and 1992 when the Cubs didn’t have anything resembling a solid closer, I was disgusted looking at Lee Smith atop the NL in saves with the Cardinals. His 12 blown saves to go along with his 36 saves in 1987 in Chicago didn’t look bad at all to Cubs fans in the early 1990’s. To make matters worse, the Cubs could have had Bob Welch for Lee Arthur. Instead, they ended up with Calvin Schiraldi and Al Nipper from Boston. That was one of the worst trades in Cubs history.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Jun 9, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Smart discussions often get derailed around here by Drewish and a handful of instigators

Until you are prepared to stop instigators from posting horseshit remarks to literally every post of certain others then problems will prevail.

You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little messed up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?

by BLou on Jun 9, 2009 9:45 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Amazing.

You managed to violate everything I wrote about in one sentence.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jun 9, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because you refuse to stop the practice of Drewish posting crap remark to literally every one of my posts

You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little messed up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?

by BLou on Jun 9, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Give it up man. You sound like a five-year-old.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 9, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My perspective of your posts...

Usually i dont respond to your posts mainly because i dont have the energy.

But a tip – your postings are usually only one way and that is it. You except no one elses thoughts, because you are right and they are wrong. If you knew so much about the team, the players, and MLB, you would not be on this site, you would be in the front office or something.

I am just saying maybe being a little more open to other peoples ideas, and more open to the idea of discussing and not telling us how bad the team is and how much you know about the team. it gets old and tiring.

"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"

by HIGGY on Jun 9, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

By definition, an anonymous message board is about sharing of PASSION and OPINIONS for the subject matter (in this case the Cubs)

I have never held myself out to be the world’s authority on baseball or the Cubs. Everything that I state (and everybody else states) is an opinion colored by perspectives, knowledge of the game, etc. If you need the qualifying term “this is an opinion” attached to every one of my posts, then sorry I can’t help you. It’s implied of course.

You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little messed up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?

by BLou on Jun 9, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's exactly right.

Others’ opinions are just as passionate as yours and colored by the same perspectives and knowledge.

Respect them, and you might be surprised to see you’d get that respect back.

If you can’t do that, ignoring those you don’t care for is the next best thing. I will NOT tolerate any further personal attacks from you.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jun 9, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have not personally attacked a single soul

If you can point out specific examples then I would love to see them. Just one in fact.

You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little messed up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?

by BLou on Jun 9, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Instead of that...

… why don’t you just vow right here, right now, that you will not personally attack anyone on this site.

In return I suspect they’d do the same for you.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jun 9, 2009 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jun 9, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, this is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard...

coming from a guy who has been banned six times specifically for repeatedly attacking other posters.

by SouthernCub on Jun 9, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

NOT TRUE

and you know it.

by sue369 on Jun 9, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You just proved my point....

Clearly this is all opinion, but you come off as telling people their opinions are wrong and yours are right.

All i was doing was making a suggestion, as an outsider who stays away from your postings.

"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"

by HIGGY on Jun 9, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Personally if I got banned even once (or 4 times)I won't come back to BCB

Thankfully I don’t think I ever have to worry about that.

Al I think your site is great. It is different from so many of the other sites out there

"That's what you live for. You live for the opportunity and when that day comes, you better be ready," Soto said. "I tried to make sure that whenever they gave me a chance, I was ready and I knew I had to take advantage of the opportunity."

by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 9, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks.

You always add positive contributions. Good to have you here.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jun 9, 2009 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, like that cardinals site

holy jeez, have you ever read the the post on the main page?? the guy doesn’t even realize who could be reading it

Albert Pujols for Cubs Starting 1B in 2011

by heine41 on Jun 9, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This isn't going to go over too well...

…but Mike, you don’t bother me, and frankly, I don’t really see why everyone cares more about what you say than others. Not to demean you or your comments, but I think people attack you much more than you attack them. Your comments may be blunt and to the point, but they RARELY call someone names, but if I had to tally name-calling, you would be on the receiving end much more than the dishing out end. My $.02.

Dan

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Jun 9, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Count me in, Dan.

I think the truth is somewhere in the middle.

There are posters that do, indeed, automatically attack everything that Mike says simply because of who is posting.

However, he worked hard to get that reputation. And, while the attacks are unfair, it will take a long time to change the perception – and responding in kind is not the way to change it.

The way to change it is for him to self-moderate his comments. And if he feels that he is being attacked unfairly, the best response is an unemotional, civil reply – not, “he started it!”

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 9, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed...

BLou (or, more accurately, his previous incarnations) worked very hard for a long time to earn the wrath he’s getting now. You don’t get banned multiple times for nothing. And now that he’s earned the reputation, he’s doing very little to avoid perpetuating the problem.

by SouthernCub on Jun 9, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And the onus is on him to change that rep

That, IMO, is fair. He made the bed . . . .

However, I think that Al’s right in that BLou would be surprised if he kept it above board how much the perception could change. It’s got to start with him, though.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 9, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am on a very unrelated forum.

I am on there under a very different name.

There is a poster there who consistently threadjacks, and goes on at mind-numbing length about his pet peeve – which may on rare occasion be somewhat related to the topic at hand – and has recently found himself piled on, in fact nearly mobbed. He then began playing the victim, beginning a very lengthy private pity party – at the metaphorical top of his lungs.

Needless to say, serious attempts by some of the other posters to point out to him that a more temperate approach, seasoned with a bit of friendliness, and a willingness to let others have their say, could moderate his negative reception were not well received.

Things there are still reverberating.

That is not good.

It’s about give and take. We all have ideas, sometimes we’re right, sometimes we’re not. And sometimes hindsight is the only measure of that we have.

Still, when anyone presents as a pure antagonist, or even nearly so, expecting a positive response is wishful thinking.

by MN exile on Jun 9, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well said and good example

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 9, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good thoughts Al.

This was nice to read. Refreshing. And you know what being a fan is just that, we throw everything that we have into this team, well everything that is left over from, kids, work, and other family things. Basically whatever life leaves for us we put into this team, and that is the fun part about it! That is what being a fan is all about. The Cubs lose a game, we lose our minds. The Cubs win a game we celebrate as if we are going to the world series. That is what makes it fun, and this site does too.

"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"

by HIGGY on Jun 9, 2009 9:47 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think posts like these are often important to post and repost over and over again

I think recently with all the success they’ve had in relatively recent years, it’s often to forget that most of us came into Cubs fandom when they Cubs were down. Being born in the 80s, I would argue that I’ve seen just as much success as my grandpa would have seen before he died after the 2003 season. That’s a sad, but also somewhat true as well and open to interpretation.

The point is that I came into this world a Cubs fan. I don’t remember my first Cubs game. Before 1998, it was all about the promotions with me. I liked keeping score with my batting helmet on my head, oversized baseball cards in my pocket, or my beanie baby on my lap. Before 1998, I don’t think I saw them win a game. I didn’t care though. Our family has only started going on vacations recently because I’ve been traveling to do marathons. Instead of blowing money to go to Disneyland, my dad would take us to where he could be a kid again: Wrigley Field. To this day my brother (mjk83) and I go to Wrigley with our dad and can see the transformation as we walk up to the gate. He remembers being brought to the games by our grandparents. Only difference now is that he’s the one dishing out the green for some dogs and soda. I stopped asking for the malt years ago (I pony up now). Win or lose though, for three hours our family goes back to when we were all younger. I still keep score at every Cubs game and still try to see if I can lose my voice during an exciting game. Win or lose though, our family still can at least enjoy a day at the ballpark.

I think we all have similar stories and have similar goals for the Cubs. There’s no reason to challenge people’s beliefs and fandom on here. Like Al, I’m not crazy about the numbers. I get confused by all the different stat lines. At the end of the day though, I’m just like everyone else: a Cubs fan.

"You just don't know understand how frustrating this is"- Kevin Borseth

by TkGoUWGB on Jun 9, 2009 9:49 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well said

I wrote many articles for InsideTheIvy in 2003-2004 that received positive feedback from likely many of these posters. I really enjoyed covering the team – and this Board has been a great extension of that passion since I stopped writing. There were a couple Summers in the late 80s/early 90s when I spent as many as 60 games a year in the RF bleachers and certainly wish I could get out there as often. But all of that is neither here nor there.

I’ve found it disappointing that certain people on the Board have annointed themselves ‘super fans’ and labeled some frequent cynics as ‘trolls.’ The term troll is about as demeaning as it gets, implying these people aren’t real fans and do not sweat out each game as others do. I think most of us know that is not the case.

Another individual on this board recently has, and I assign no blame, gotten enough of a rise out of me that I did something a few days ago that I’ve never done in thousands of posts which was use improper language. It is one thing to be a person who rips on the team non stop, it is another to offer educated criticism based on baseball knowledge. I always felt that I fell into the latter category.

If this Board had me to the point of using bad language because this other poster feels the need to single out my negative posts then perhaps I think the best thing is for me to root for the Cubs just by watching them and leaving the Board. I apologize to the Board for that language and figure my last post should be a civil one – as I believe all my others had been. I don’t believe by ‘leaving’ the other poster has ‘won,’ but it is clear that poster would not allow any comment I made to go unattacked. Wish the Cubs and all the great fans here a great rest of the season.

by BeltwayCubsFan on Jun 9, 2009 9:51 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't let one person force you away from here.

That’s one person’s opinion, and your right, in fact your duty, is to ignore it and stick around.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jun 9, 2009 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Super Fans"

I agree with this….i usually like to call them know-it-alls. They know the inter workings of the Cubs better than the Cubs do.

In reality they dont have a clue as to what is going on. There is a lot that goes on that we as fans or “superfans” dont even know about.

"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"

by HIGGY on Jun 9, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly.

And you, for one, should know.

(For those who don’t, HIGGY was a Cubs BP pitcher in 2006.)

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jun 9, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Holy crap, that's awesome!

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Jun 9, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Thats really neat.

"That's what you live for. You live for the opportunity and when that day comes, you better be ready," Soto said. "I tried to make sure that whenever they gave me a chance, I was ready and I knew I had to take advantage of the opportunity."

by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 9, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL!

Thanks for the plug Al! I am starting my decent in my career – some would call it washed up!!! HAHA 2006, was 3 years ago!!

"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"

by HIGGY on Jun 9, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's awesome!

Do you have stats on how many BP home runs you gave up and to whom?

by daeviant on Jun 9, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wish!

I didnt throw too much on the field really, mostly in the cage, so it was tough to gage. I think the onion though (the satire paper) wrote an article one time that i almost threw a no hitter until, i think it was Cedeno broke it up because i could not get around the L screen in time. Pretty funny stuff.

"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"

by HIGGY on Jun 9, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LMAO at this one
“I guess their strategy of benching Ronny Cedeno so he could write all the news didn’t pan out.”

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jun 9, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here is the one i saw...

http://lukateake.blogspot.com/2006/05/higgason-no-hits-cubs-in-bp-debut.html

And no i did not get interviewed for it, it was all made up.

"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"

by HIGGY on Jun 9, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh man, that's priceless

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Jun 9, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Beltway

I have been around the threads and have seen some of your comments. I, for one, do not mind the cynic nature of your posts. What I do mind is saying after we are down 1-0 in the 2nd inning that this team has no chance of winning. That’s all I object to really.

But please stick around, I think this site is more enjoyable with a wide variety of opinions, both from a sunshine perspective and from a frustrated fan perspective. Hey haven’t we all suffered through these seasons, I can understand how different people will react differently. Complain about the bad play from the team, from the player, just don’t give up on the game nor the season. And don’t go away.

Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton

by KaliCub on Jun 9, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Revisionist history

Comments like this (among others)

Game over. Can’t wait for Reds to take 4-3 lead and cubs offense to bend over once again and go down 1-2-3 in the ninth.

aren’t very endearing.

Here’s a good metric I go by when evaluating myself (because there’s no way for me to be objective about it). If one or two people dislike my posts, then probably it is just those people with a problem. But if several users, especially people who frequently contribute to the community, are responding negatively to my posts, then the problem most likely lies with me.

by dr stabbingworth on Jun 9, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What video game is your sword from? It's bothering me.

Zelda?

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Jun 9, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good eye

It is from the original. I forget whether it was referred to as the Master Sword at that point or the Magic Sword.

/massive video game nerd

by dr stabbingworth on Jun 9, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, especially when the game threads are akin

To sitting at a bar watching the game. Most people don’t want to hear that.

A big reason why I rarely go to game threads.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 9, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know exactly what you mean

Half the comments wouldn’t be said if we were all in a room together.

I stand by everyone of my comments (except for one profane post). I bleed blue. This is the ONLY sports franchise that I live and die with. If someone is going to tell me its over when we are down by 6-1 with two outs in the ninth, im going to tell them otherwise :-p

Albert Pujols for Cubs Starting 1B in 2011

by heine41 on Jun 9, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My last game thread was the Big Z blowup...

Doubt I’ll join another game thread this year. Just too much… Sensory overload.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on Jun 9, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was asleep in China

I can only imagine what those threads were like…I think we saw a little carry-over.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 9, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was horrible.

Anger like that should be reserved only for tragedy and wronging of epic nature. And no, the cubs losing does NOT count in either of those categories.

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"

by AndrewJStone on Jun 9, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If MLB monitored the thread...

Z most certainly would have got suspended for inciting the thread.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on Jun 9, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I explain this to people several times a year

My dad used to play trumpet at Wrigley Field – not every day but maybe once or twice a year – and I’d sit with the band behind home plate and watch the balls roll down the net over our heads. Almost every year my elementary school and my summer day camp (Portage Park) had a field trip to Wrigley and I spelled “Go Cubs” with paper cups in the fence on Waveland. Don Kessinger came to my cub scout meeting and signed autographs. WGN, Jack and later Harry were the soundtrack of my summers. As much as they drive me nuts – I still watch them or keep track of the score for every game. Its sick.

Cub fan since 1969 and Im not taking my avatar down until they show up in a playoff series.

by tedinSoCal on Jun 9, 2009 9:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

And

This has been a frustrating season so far, though compared to others its nothing. Its too bad some folks just come here to spew when things are bad and attack other posters.

I appreciate this site.

Cub fan since 1969 and Im not taking my avatar down until they show up in a playoff series.

by tedinSoCal on Jun 9, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

TRYING TO BE POSITIVE ....

At times is hard with bonehead trades, injuries ect . During the off season I stick in the Cubs Legends DVD’s ……THen and only then resort to the Godfather …….( Have to admit I saw it three times the first week it was released )…..

by cubs north on Jun 9, 2009 9:56 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thank you for sharing, Al

it was a good read, and nice to get a little bit of insight on how you became a fan. Thank you for all the time you spend on the site also, it’s my main hub for anything and everything Cubs related, and I really appreciate all the work you put into the site.

"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly

by ambrosiadreams on Jun 9, 2009 9:58 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well put, Al.

I feel like I’ve been in my own personal sophomore slump on BCB this year (my comment rate is definitely not where it was in 2008), not posting as frequently or appearing in game threads (coaching high school baseball is pretty time-consuming).

There have been days where I’ve missed popping into the threads, and days where I’ve definitely thought to myself “Boy, am I glad I’m not in there today,” and I find that kind of sad as being part of the Cubs’ fan community in good or bad times is truly fun.

Anyways, I’ll do my best to break out of this slump, and thanks for reminding me of why I became a Cubs fan and eventually joined this site, Al.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Jun 9, 2009 10:02 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What school do you coach at?

What level too?

"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"

by HIGGY on Jun 9, 2009 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I coach at a high school in Indianapolis

By day, I’m a sports information director, and then I head to practice in the afternoon/evenings. I coached JV until their season ended, then I was with the Varsity for a month, and now it’s on to the Incoming Freshman Team.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Jun 9, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How did your teams do this year?

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jun 9, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

JV was 18-4 and won their end of year tournament

Varsity was 26-0 before Saturday, losing in the Regionals of the Indiana High School Tournament (sweet 16).

The incoming kids, let’s just say they’re a work in progress – though they’re competitive against kids 2-3 older than them, so it’s promising.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Jun 9, 2009 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice work!

With an 18-4 JV, your varsity should be just as good next year.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jun 9, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We'll see.

We’re losing 9 seniors, but if some of our JV kids step up, we’ll be alright.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Jun 9, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice...

I coach at Loyola Academy. JV as well. It is great, personally i think JV is the best level to coach because that is where the kids learn the most about life, and baseball.

"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"

by HIGGY on Jun 9, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I'm lucky enough to be coaching at my alma mater

and we really try to focus on teaching baseball and life at the same time. The JV kids can be frustrating at times (I try to avoid the “when I played here…” spiels, but can’t help it sometimes), but I really enjoy watching them learn throughout the year and apply it with the Varsity.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Jun 9, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Same here...

I coach at my alma mater which makes it even better.

I also agree with the applying it to varsity, that could be the most fun!

"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"

by HIGGY on Jun 9, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I hadn't coached in about 4 years

so coming back was nice – every March I missed it too much to pass up when I got the opportunity this year.

Plus, with all this high school baseball talk, I think I’m breaking out of the comment slump.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Jun 9, 2009 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You Bet, Al!

I’ve had my anti Cub friends all pestering me about, “what’s wrong with your boys”. I tell them 2009 will be for the Cubs like 2006 was for the Cards. As crappy as we’ve played, we’re right in it. Bring it on home in August and Sept, get in the playoffs, and then stand by. No magical season like last year, no insane pressure like last year, just get in and win. It’s too early for any negative stuff. My wife bought me an Aramis jersey for my birthday in May. I haven’t put it on yet cause he’s hurt. I can’t wait for Captain RBI to come back! Milton, you can come back too.

by Fully Kreusened on Jun 9, 2009 10:10 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Great post, Al

I’m not a huge poster, but I’ve been around the site for a few years now and I’ve been shocked recently more times than before at the over-the-top vitriol of some of the responses. There’d be a relatively innocuous post and then followed up with a hate filled diatribe from someone else. That level has to be tuned down.

As for my Cub fan past … I grew up down Addison. I can’t remember my first Cub game as I was problaby 2 or 3. My earliest Cub memory though was with my brother sitting with my back against the outfield wall on Sheffield waiting for the bleacher ticket sales to begin. I was reading the Sun-Times and the big news from the day before was the death of Elvis Presley. That would have been Aug 17, 1977. That day, Rick Reuschel, in a CG, beat Jim Rooker of the Pirates 4-2.

by jerry morales rules on Jun 9, 2009 10:10 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I totally agree

I feel like we are becoming better prepared for a playoff run through adversity rather than kicking the tar out of everyone

Albert Pujols for Cubs Starting 1B in 2011

by heine41 on Jun 9, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great post, Al. I am a year younger than you and it sounds like we became Cub fans

at about the same time. I grew up in southwest Michigan and every year our little league would sponser a trip to Wrigley. That trip was one of the best times of my childhood. We would ride on school buses and the whole bus was a madhouse the whole trip. I don’t see how the coaches made it. They weren’t allowed to drink beer and we usually went in July. I suspected they would grab on cold one on their “bathroom and smoke break”. I remember listening to Pat Piper announce the starting lineups and me scrambling to write down the names. My brother finally gave me the secret, just write down the numbers and then match them to the names on the back of the score cards. I thoght he was a genius.

We grew up listening to Jack on TV and listening to Lou and Lloyd on the radio. We would go crazy when Ernie or Billy or Santo would hit a home run. I loved to here Jack give his “Atta boy Ernie!” as he rounded the bases. We were die hard Cub fans from day one and would fight anyone who said the Cubs weren’t the best team in baseball. I was a fan from day one and my devotion has never wavered. I wouldn’t want to have it any other way.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 9, 2009 10:23 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Al, Looks like you just beat me, by a few weeks for Game 1

As far as I can remember — I have no actual proof, my first game was probably just a few weeks later , in 1963 — in a 3-game series against the Milwaukee Braves. I am pretty sure of the year….I have no idea of the outcome of the game, I remember we (father & brother) were in a field box behind 1B, and it was warm. Just too young for other details.

I probably had a Frostie Malt.

by San Diego Smooth Jazz Man on Jun 9, 2009 10:35 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I once had a scorecard from that game that my dad kept.

It got lost in a series of moves. But I had remembered the score of the game and the opponent — from that, years later, it wasn’t too hard to find the boxscore.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jun 9, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Al, solid as a line drive in the gap.

Great words, I wish I had the ability to do the same. Married to an English teacher for 25 years you would think it would help, no such luck.
 I have been frustrated this year more than the past, and it can show. I can’t stand the Bradley and Miles signings, however that does not take away from the fact I want them to perform at a high level and help this team win a World Series.
 The point you make about the “human side” of the game is a good one. Numbers, stats, OPS, OBP, SLG, WHIP, and the rest are useful and can be a good indicator. But who knows what goes on in 180 days and 162 games. It is a grind, and these players have lives beyond the field.
 Great post Al.

"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"

by Grockcubs on Jun 9, 2009 10:42 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Great post

And, as someone already suggested, it would be great to frequently repost this to remind people of the importance of treating other. sometimes divergent opinions, with maturity and respect.

As for me, I’ve been passionately devoted to this team since I was eight years old in 1971. I didn’t choose to be this way; the Cubs were basically encoded in my DNA thanks to a Cubs crazy father and two equally passionate grandfathers.

Personally, I’d love to see empty buzzwords like “troll” and “ledgejumper” disappear completely from our lexicon. I can understand how excessive negaivity can be annoying but, at the same time, when a simple, non-confrontational post questioning a move the Cubs made, etc. is immediately met with comments like “You’re an idiot and ignorant about baseball” or “people like you should be banned from this site” it gets more than a little bit ridiculous. I might criticize but I also cheer (which is what I’d much rather be doing). Just because some of us might criticize something doesn’t mean we love it any less.

As the great Studs Terkel once said, “There’s no such thing as a cock-eyed opinion”.

by bluekoolaide on Jun 9, 2009 10:43 AM CDT reply actions   2 recs

Well said.

Maybe I’ll add this post to the sidebar.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jun 9, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I grew up in...

the Sandberg, Dawson, Grace, Dunston, Domingo Ramez era… okay, maybe not so much Domingo Ramez.

I also have fond memories of watching the Cubs after school as a kid. I loved the Shawn-O-Meter.

This was a great post… I think that being a Cubs fan is as much about the memories growing up as it is about wanting them to win so badly today.

Being a Cubs fan is something you're born into... Nobody would be a Cubs fan by choice. - Me

by Scruff0082 on Jun 9, 2009 10:46 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Domingo! The 1989 Cubs' secret weapon!

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 9, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man, all along I thought...

the secret weapon was Mitch Webster!

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on Jun 9, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought it was Vance Law's glasses.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Jun 9, 2009 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My next door neighbor actually got glasses like his...

So when we would practice turning double plays in the yard. He was Law and I was Sandberg. Hilarious… Probably not too many other styles of glasses than the ones Law had.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on Jun 9, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Those glasses were all they had in the 80's

Though I never understood while he didn’t just rock the RecSpecs, a la Chris Sabo.

Law is now the head coach at BYU – looks like he’s ditched the glasses, though.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Jun 9, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome!!!

Check out the picture to the right though… Above Couger tv… Looks like he just picks and chooses when to wear them!

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on Jun 9, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice.

It looks like they might be on in games, which would make sense.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Jun 9, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

All part of putting the game face on for V. Law

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on Jun 9, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was the 1988 team!

Always liked Vance – too bad he had his career year one year before the Cubs overacheived as a team.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 9, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vance saw 130 games for the '89 Cubs

though his overall badness that year did pave the way for Luis Salazar, so we need to be grateful to him for that.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Jun 9, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but he had such a great 1988

I was really hoping he’d repeat.

Of course, I was 16 at the time and maybe not the best talent evaluator. But he was nice to me at the Cub Convention . . . .

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 9, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

His 1988 was ridiculous

He was one of 6 Cubs on the all-star team, too. He went from an OPS+ of 117 to 80 in a season.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Jun 9, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just wondering - do you know what Kirk Gibson's OPS+ was in '88?

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 9, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

148.

Those new Baseball-Reference pages are nice for finding that information right off the bat.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Jun 9, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cool - thanks

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 9, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not a problem.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Jun 9, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, I suppose he was, too

It’s amazing to think about how they were able to piece together ridiculous runs by Webster, Smith, McClendon and to a certain extent, Dascenzo.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 9, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

McClendon had a pretty good year in 89 though...

12 bombs and 40 some RBI in limited playing time. Not bad for a utility guy.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on Jun 9, 2009 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not bad at all

Everything just fell into place, when you look at the careers of the major contributors of that team.

On the pitching side, how about Lancaster? Even Pat Perry had a good run before they released him.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 9, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I always liked Lancaster...

I got to meet him and thought he was a cool dude.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on Jun 9, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

One hell of a season in '89

One of my favorite moments from that year was a Monday night ABC game where he doubled in Curtis Wilkerson to beat the Giants, 4-3 in extra innings.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 9, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes!!! I always smile looking back at that team...

Our family vacation was to SF that year to watch the Cubs play at Candlestick. Dad always had a knack for scheduling vacations around the Cubs. Went to spring training one year. I’ll never forget that. Even though I was little. We still have the pictures of Dad with Buckner. Me with Murcer and Mom and Dad with Lou Boudreax.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on Jun 9, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've had a few of those Cub vacations

Went to Montreal and saw a very bad 1991 Cubs team sweep a decent Expo team. Game tied in the 9th by Ced Landrum, IIRC. A knowledgeable Expo fan in front of us just turned and said, “Ced Landrum??”

Lots of pics of Cubs in their hotel lobby from that trip.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 9, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do share

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Jun 9, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll have to see if I can find them first!

But I’ll share a story that I may have posted a while back.

Was walking downtown, when my mom saw someone walk across the street, and she said, “Isn’t that Shawon?” Sure enough, Dunston gave a friendly wave as he went on his way.

We continued walking, and saw the aforementioned Luis Salazar walking with Ivan Calderon and, well . . . I forget. (Hey, it was 18 years ago.) I asked Salazar if Dawson would be able to play, and he answered in the affirmative – Andre was feeling much better. (Knee issues, IIRC – safe assumption, anyway.)

Followed the trio to the hotel, and waited in the lobby. Got several pictures as players walked in. Santo was eating lunch and we waited for him to finish eating, then asked for a picture. He was very gracious and friendly.

Assenmacher was stand-offish, Bell was too cool for school – but they both took pics. Vizcaino (Jose, not Luis) was there, McElroy (I think) – but the best was Chico Walker.

Walker was so surprised that someone recognized him that he nearly fell over when I yelled, “Chico!” After the picture, he thanked me.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 9, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's great

Chico Walker… Hadn’t thought of that guy in years.

The Stadium in Montreal is removed from downtown and there are, IIRC, no hotels near there. Where did they stay?

One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.

by chilango2 on Jun 9, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't remember what the hotel was

But I think it was a chain – Hilton, Hyatt . . . if I remember, I’ll dig up my old media guides when I’m home and see if it lists the hotel.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 9, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love this stuff

You think it would be worthy of a post for all those fans to tell about meeting any player in public?

Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton

by KaliCub on Jun 9, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I think it makes for a good story forum

And I agree – it’s fun stuff.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 9, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I however, am going to lunch

So you could post one with a story of your own and I’ll read it when I get back!

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 9, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm in California...

so mine would only be the story of drinking with James Worthy. It should start with a Cub’s fans story. It can wait til tomorrow or whenever you or someone else has the time.

Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton

by KaliCub on Jun 9, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where in California?

I’ll be out there for Cubs games in August and September?

Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 9, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In Santa CLarita, it's NE of LA.

I usually go to a game when the Cubs come out to play the Dodgers. This year they come out August 20-23. Are you going to the one of those games?

Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton

by KaliCub on Jun 9, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Possibly the game on Thursday night.

Friday night is impossible, because I need to get back to San Diego. I leave SD early on Saturday morning, so Thursday night is the only game I can go to in LA.

Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 9, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I prefer the weekends obviously.

But I could do that Thursday. It would be cool to meet a fellow BCBer.

Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton

by KaliCub on Jun 9, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would like to meet a fellow BCBer too

If you think you can make it as the time gets closer, we could exchange emails add figure out how to meet up.

Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 9, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just have to figure out how to exchange emails without displaying for all to see.

The game will be easy, I can buy the tickets and we can meet there since we are coming from 2 different directions.

But we have time to figure it all out.

Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton

by KaliCub on Jun 9, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you can put your email address

in your profile. Then you two can set up your date. :D

I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.

by drewishdrewid on Jun 9, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay you just made it icky and awkward. :)

Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton

by KaliCub on Jun 9, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey!

I’m going to visit California, and see ballgames. It will be my first vacation since what happened over the last few weeks in my family.

Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 9, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That sounded bad, I hope it wasn't too serious in your family.

My email address is posted now on my profile.

Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton

by KaliCub on Jun 9, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was bad, we had two deaths within days of each other.

My email address is also listed now.

Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 9, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry to hear about your family.

I’ll be in touch.

Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton

by KaliCub on Jun 9, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

too much of that going around these days

please accept my condolences as well.

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jun 9, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, I'll try to remember to do that later this week

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 9, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome...

My wife and I are going to start our tradition of heading out to see games in visitor parks next year.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark

by Fishbone2 on Jun 9, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also have been to Cincy and St. Louis a couple of times

The old parks, not the new ones.

Went to two Cubs games at Shea as part of a larger baseball trip 10 years ago.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 9, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and my first Cub game was at Chavez Ravine

I don’t remember much – I was 4. I think they lost, 4-3 and Reuschel may have homered.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 9, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm going to see games 3, 4, and 5 in visitor parks this year.

Game 1 was in San Diego in 1989 (Cubs won), and game 2 was in Milwaukee in 2007 (Cubs also won).

The games this year are in San Diego and Los Angeles in August, and San Francisco in September.

Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 9, 2009 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me too!

The earliest games I remember (very vaguely) were in 1984. The 1989 season is vivid, as are most of them since. :)

Believe or Leave ~Cubswynn 9/9/2008

by slcathena on Jun 9, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

1984 = good year.

Cubs nearly made the WS, year I was born too!

Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 9, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Al

for the post and running this great site. I came across this site last November looking for some hot stove info for the Cubs and their off season. I was wowed by the intelligent conversation and the many learned fans that you have here. I decided to participate during the season. Occasionally this site does have it’s flareups, alot lately, but for the most part it is a great place to talk about our beloved Cubs and baseball in general.

I would only ask the posters that try to keep this site respectful, as the unofficial policemen of the site, that you would not only keep the posters that you disagree with civil but also the posters that you agree with civil.

Thanks Al, you do a great job here.

Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton

by KaliCub on Jun 9, 2009 10:57 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

As always, great job. And GO CUBS!!!

Wait a minute... who am I here?

by malicedoom on Jun 9, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well said

Al, excellent post, as usual. I was eight when my dad took me to my first Cubs game. The things I remember were that Fergie was pitching and the ivy was so green! B&W TV didn’t do it justice. But I was hooked even before I stepped into Wrigley. It just sealed my fate as a lifelong fanatic. However, unlike you, I did not put the Cubs on the back burner when I left for college in Ohio or when I lived in Atlanta for 20 years. In fact, those Cubs became more important to me. In college the guys who were all Reds, Indians and Pirate fans, really respected me for my knowledge of baseball and passion for the team and the game. When I moved to Atlanta, I have the Cubs to thank for being able to make friends so quickly and easily! It’s all going to be in my book, whenever I get it fiinished.

My biggest regret is that my dad was not able to see his beloved team win a World Series. I thank the Cubs for bringing my dad and me very close together — especially after I moved back to Chicago.

Also, being part of a number of online communities, and being a former Community Supervisor at a non-sports related site, I have seen the very best and worst of people. I’ve been personally attacked by people over actions I had to take because of their flaming. I’ve also very recently been personally attacked by someone after posting one of my own Cubs columns elsewhere. I love the passion I see here for the team and have learned so much from reading many different opinoins. I may not agree with everyone, but those opinions are helpful in giving me greater insight into what makes a Cubs fan tick.

Keep up the great site!

"I'm a Cubs fan. I'm very, very patient." -- from a Shoe cartoon.

by No Southern Belle on Jun 9, 2009 11:04 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

My Cubs Fandome...

… started in Des Moines, where i grew up. My grandparents started taking me to Iowa Cubs games as a member of the Knothole Gang. Sec Taylor Stadium (Principal Park now, i guess) is amazing for a AAA park, and I was lucky enough to attend maybe a dozen or so of the games during the iCubs 1993 American Association Championship. I continued to attend during high school (my younger brother was also a Knothole Gang member, and i got to tag along), and even in to college when i returned home for vacations. I also was fortunate to see various members of the big Cubs (Corey Patterson, Carlos Zambrano, Kyle Farnsworth, Kerry Wood, Mark Prior, Derrek Lee, Daryle Ward, Alfonso Soriano, Ryan Dempster) as they came up through the system or made rehab stops. My grandfather followed the cubs religiously on WGN, making sure every game was on in the barbershop he started after returning from WWII. Grandma was a bigger basketball fan, and loved the MJ / Pippen era Bulls, and i can truly thank them for my membership in these fan groups.

That made bringing them to their first game at Wrigley all the more special. My grandfather was beside himself, finally getting to see in person what he’d watched on TV for so many years. He wanted to circle the field, see it from every angle, take in everything he could, even though at well over 80, the stairs and the walking and the drunk kid dodging was stressful for him. He loved being there, he truly appreciated the chance to see it all.

And that is the frame of mind i try to keep as i root for the Cubs. This is something to enjoy. This is something that generations before me have loved without seeing a World Series. This is supposed to be fun, and the second i stop having fun with it (as a few posters here seem to have done), i’m out. I suspect that won’t ever happen in my case, but it breaks my heart to see those who it has. Ultimately, this is a game. One we are all invested in, sure. But a game none the less. And if this game, this contest of using a stick and leather glove to knock and toss around a tiny ball, become so horrible for you, such a detriment to your happiness, you should just step away. When you are to the point that you are belittling your fellow fan, literally ruining the fun others are having because you can’t have any yourself, you must step away, reevaluate, and consider why you are here at all.

"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"

by AndrewJStone on Jun 9, 2009 11:04 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

My "origins"

My dad grew up pre-Milwaukee Braves, so the Cubs were the closet team. He would follow them on the radio, driving trucks for the Kenosha News.

I’m the youngest of 4 children, and the other 3 never caught the disease as badly as I did. I have to think that a big part of it was having a teacher in elementary school who was over-the-top in her love for the Cubs.

I was crushed in 1984, but a few weeks short of 12. I was really upset in 2003, because for the first time since about 1984, my dad really allowed himself to get excited about the Cubs’ chances – and I was old enough to understand it better. Last year was as disappointing, but in a different way – and tempered by the health problems my mom had and losing my job hours before game 1 of the NLDS.

Some of us have lost family members/friends that played a big part in our love of the Cubs…my dad’s in his 70’s, and I really want him to see them win at least once. If it happened later, I think I’d need to be alone instead of celebrating with a group.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 9, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

*closest, not closet team

We’ve never been ashamed of being Cub fans…

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 9, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No Shame Ever

As a fellow Wisconsinite, I’ve never backed away from my origins either. But I also grew up south of Madison, back when the Crew were Junior Circuit. There was no discernible Cubs-Brewers rivalry then, so I spent my formative years more or less free from my classmates’ scorn. That’s got a lot to do with it being southern WI. In fact, then there was even a split between the Packers and the Bears in that part of the state, owing to the Bears’ Spring Camp in Platteville.

No, the only thing that I’ve ever been ashamed of is my mother’s unfortunate condition: she’s a Cards fan.

by wallrock on Jun 9, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Aren't the Brewers still Junior Circuit?

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Jun 9, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha!

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 9, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It wasn't THAT funny . . .

Don’t know why that posted twice.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 9, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not showing up that way to others.

A comment of mine just looked the same way. I closed the tab and re-opened and it went away.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on Jun 9, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, I'll try it

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 9, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Much better

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 9, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you doing drugs again Badger?

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Jun 9, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he stopped?

How can I be this outta the loop on things. hehehe

"That's what you live for. You live for the opportunity and when that day comes, you better be ready," Soto said. "I tried to make sure that whenever they gave me a chance, I was ready and I knew I had to take advantage of the opportunity."

by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 9, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not out of the loop

Just loopy :)

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 9, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm trippin' maaaan

It was so weird. The subject line was multiple-posting. I think N Oakley had the same issue. I exited and went back in a couple of times, but it kept happening.

Freakin’ me out, dude . . .

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 9, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Brewers were in the A.L. when I was a kid, too

But I still heard about it from them. Of course, Kenosha is a lot closer to Milwaukee than Janesville/Fitchburg or wherever you’re from

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 9, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Make it stop!

What’s with the multiple posts?

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 9, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's a glitch on the site...

… that makes it LOOK as if you have duplicate posts. It happened to me a couple times, too. If you reload the page you’ll see the duplicates aren’t really there.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jun 9, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its funny,

my first post shows up PDT then the duplicate shows up as CDT. I thought someone got my password in Chicago. lol

Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton

by KaliCub on Jun 9, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the PDT/CDT note...

… that might be helpful. I’m sending this on to support.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jun 9, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

another glitch I'm having

is clicking on a post that says it has unread comments, but then there’s nothing unread when the post comes up.

I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.

by drewishdrewid on Jun 9, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Glitch I'm having

I can’t seem to post comments all of a sudden.

Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 9, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's because Daver stole your quota of comments

sheesh… that guy will do anything to be the number one poster here…

Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."

by ballhawk on Jun 9, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

DD: 30752
DCD: 23614

He’s a piker. :P

I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.

by drewishdrewid on Jun 9, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My reply function doesn't work

Oh, wait.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 9, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just throwin this out there for discussion...

It’s not really fanpost worthy…

Josh Fields. The White Sox just demoted him to bring up Beckham, and we could use a real fill-in while A-Ram is still out. Fields value has been lessened heavily by the demotion. Any chance we can deal equal spare parts with the Sox?

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Jun 9, 2009 11:18 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Two questions

What would the Cubs give up?

Would Kenny Williams help the Cubs?

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 9, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jake Fox.

Thome has to retire sometime, and Fox can DH. I think it might take more than just Fox, though.

Hendry and Williams have dealt before – Aardsma for Cotts was basically a wash, so it could happen, I suppose.

I love to play baseball. I'm a baseball player. I've always been a baseball player. I'm still a baseball player. That's who I am. - Ryne Sandberg

by Trey2317 on Jun 9, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually... when I think about it...

If Fox works on it for a couple of weeks, he might be able to play 3rd base as poorly as Fields can. LOL.

Ehhh… forget I mentiond Fields in the first place.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Jun 9, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, we've dealt with Kenny before in the past.

If Feilds is gonna ride the pine and make way for the Beckham era… there’s gotta be some inquiries along the way by someone. Might as well be us.

BTW… I said “demotion.” I should have just referred to it as a benching. Not to be confused with being sent down.

Myabe they have a need for Cotts again? Or Fox as a DH

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Jun 9, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd give them Cotts and Fox straight up if they'd do it

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 9, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know...

I was thinking more along the lines of a straight up 1 for 1 deal. Fields really isn’t a very good 3rd baseman. But, sadly he’d be an upgrade over Fontenot (who just started playing 3rd base 3 weeks ago).

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Jun 9, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cotts, though . . .

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 9, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ugh. I dunno Badger.

Career -10.8 UZR/150, and career OPS+ 85. Fox is better offensively than that (assumingly), and you can’t get that much worse defensively.

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Jun 9, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd say Cotts for Fields straight up...

but, the numbers don;t match up well for the Sox. Fields is making the minimum $410,000. Cotts is making $1.1 mil.

"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)

Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
.

by SackMan on Jun 9, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe not, I was considering Cotts as a throw-in

I know he makes me want to throw up

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 9, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I was a bit hasty

Just thinking of getting something for Fox, and not really looking at what it was.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 9, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Josh77 says

he pitched pretty good in Iowa last night.

I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.

by drewishdrewid on Jun 9, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cotts? Well, ok, but

He may be a 4-A pitcher.

Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! --Homer J. Simpson

by Shanghai Badger on Jun 9, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Usually I don't pay a lot of attention when fans propose trades...

…but this one actually makes a certain amount of sense for both teams. Personally, whether I was Kenny or Hendry, I’d do it in a minute.

by bluekoolaide on Jun 9, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brandon Allen is the heir apparent to Jim Thome

Next year the Sox would like to have Konerko and Allen split duties between 1st base and DH. They are very high on Allen.

You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little messed up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?

by BLou on Jun 9, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Al

I mostly lunk, but post once in a while. But I’m here several times a day to check out the news. Great site.

"I won't be like A-Rod" - Z, 3/17/09

by Ihatethecards on Jun 9, 2009 11:19 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

And did anyone mention, that after all the angst

and bad blood in the game threads here and mediocre play on the field that doesn’t meet our expectations, that this team that we care about and anguish over is only 1 game out of second place and 3 and a half out of first?

I like our chances this season boys and girls.

As that corny, overplayed cliche of a song goes, “Don’t stop believing!”

by JFCubFan on Jun 9, 2009 11:33 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sorry had to do it.

Don’t stop Believing!

Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton

by KaliCub on Jun 9, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I heard a lot of that song over the last few years.

Lots of Red Sox fans here in Vermont.

Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 9, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And worse...

… White Sox fans used it as a theme song in 2005. Best left there, I think.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al on Jun 9, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, it worked for them. :)

I’ll start liking eminem if that means more Cub victories.

Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton

by KaliCub on Jun 9, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d listen to Barney music if it helped the Cubs. Barney songs sung by Jim Belushi wearing a Barney suit.

Jay is our Quarterback. I REPEAT JAY IS OUR QUARTERBACK. Did I mention we have a Quarterback who happens to be named Jay?.

by cubstoseriesby100 on Jun 9, 2009 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Forgot about that

I was thinking of the famous blackout scene form the last episode of The Sopranos when I made the above comment.

by JFCubFan on Jun 9, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Further, any song that has people in

South Detroit is flawed anyway.

if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand

by N Oakley on Jun 9, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Best site for Cub news

Long-time Cubs fan. First game for me was probably in late 1950s, with my dad, and I’ll always remember the bleachers’ bouquet of old men sweating in the sun combined with the aroma of cheap cigars. And Smoky Links.

Now out in Colorado, but still follow the Cubs as if I still lived on Wellington and Clark……

by chucolo on Jun 9, 2009 11:41 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I love the stories this post brought out.

I’ve been coming on this site every day for about a year, at the suggestion of my die-hard Cubs fan father. I’m a relatively young fan (at 23), compared to many of the other members in this community, and I think that fact deters me from posting on here sometimes.

I really enjoyed reading your Cubs history, Al, as well as the several other stories your post inspired. My dad, the 3rd child born to an English war-bride and a GI of Italian descent, grew up on the North side of Chicago and spent many childhood days listening to and watching baseball games. He occasionally tells me the story of his initiation into CubFandom, and I can’t help but laugh. When he was 8 or 9 years old he followed the Cubs, the Sox and the Cards all pretty religiously, but that year he decided he needed to pick one team to follow. He turns 53 this year and has been a Cubs fan for over 4 decades. His biggest reason for becoming a Cubs fan? His dad.

I think that’s the best thing about being a Cubs fan. The history. My grandfather passed away in 1999 and almost all of my memories of him somehow involve the Cubs. I now have a 4-month old son who we are already priming for a long history of indigestion, heartbreak and overwhelming joy (he currently owns more Cubs paraphernalia than both my husband and myself). Now he gets to share Cubs wins and losses with his grandfather just like I did, and that’s the most important thing.

by CubsGirl on Jun 9, 2009 11:43 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't let your age keep you from participating here!

Daver and I act like junior high school girls all the time.

As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.

by santoswoodenlegs on Jun 9, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha!

I’ll try not to let it get me down! Thanks.

by CubsGirl on Jun 9, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you kidding? Have you ever seen a bunch of crybabies like this? Maturity is defintely not a

common trait among poster to this site!

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 9, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's more because

of what Al said about the stats and the numbers. I care more about the game itself than the numbers or the draft, so sometimes I get lost in the analysis.

by CubsGirl on Jun 9, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't let the stats freaks keep you away either.

There are plenty of people that just like the game played on the field rather than just on paper. All are welcome.

Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton

by KaliCub on Jun 9, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

People say that baseball is a game of numbers, but I don’t buy that. Baseball is about the feeling you get when you see you favorite player get a hit or strike someone out. Kids don’t care about numbers, they just want to see their heros play the game. Sats are for the eggheads amoung us to compare player performance, but it’s not a substitute for the feeling you get of seing one of you favorite player stretch a double into a triple, hit a game-winning home run or rob someone with a diving catch in the gap. Baseball is about passion. As long as you have that passion, you will be one of us. feel free to express that passion at any time. We all will be the better for it.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jun 9, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I could not agree more

While i understand stats and value the information, I trust my eyes more than anything

Albert Pujols for Cubs Starting 1B in 2011

by heine41 on Jun 9, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not so much that I trust my eyes more

It’s just that I enjoy watching the plays unfold and know the whole time that anything can happen

If the world didn't suck we would all fall off.

by carolinacub on Jun 9, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right

Plus, stat books don’t tell you Jacque Jones hit all his doubles with two outs and nobody on

Albert Pujols for Cubs Starting 1B in 2011

by heine41 on Jun 9, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True,

But baseball-reference can say that.

Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0

by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jun 9, 2009 1:10 PM CD