Where we are compared to last year offensively...
With all the talk about trimester grades and whatnot, I thought I'd take a look at things relative to last year. Some of this should be fairly obvious, but with so many faces in different places, maybe it'll be interesting. I'm comparing last year's full-season totals to the projected totals at this point. Obviously projections are likely to be wrong, but they'll give us some idea of what we've done so far compared to last year. Caveat: the count stats will clearly depend somewhat on who's playing and the spot in the batting order. But the slash stats allow for a good comparison, and to some degree so do the count stats.
C:
last year: 599 AB, 80 R, 170 H, 26 HR, 93 RBI, .284/.353/.482 (.836 OPS)
this year: 558 AB, 51 R, 126 H, 12 HR, 60 RBI, .226/.341/.323 (.663 OPS)
1B:
last year: 662 AB, 102 R, 196 H, 23 HR, 97 RBI, .296/.365/.480 (.845 OPS)
this year: 630 AB, 75 R, 162 H, 24 HR, 93 RBI, .257/.336/.433 (.769 OPS)
2B:
last year: 619 AB, 97 R, 178 H, 17 HR, 91 RBI, .300/.378/.458 (.836 OPS)
this year: 582 AB, 66 R, 123 H, 6 HR, 39 RBI, .211/.277/.299 (.576 OPS)
3B:
last year: 619 AB, 110 R, 175 H, 32 HR, 129 RBI, .283/.372/.519 (.891 OPS)
this year: 597 AB, 54 R, 159 H, 24 HR, 117 RBI, .266/.339/.442 (.781 OPS)
SS:
last year: 656 AB, 95 R, 199 H, 2 HR, 53 RBI, .303/.379/.364 (.744 OPS)
this year: 645 AB, 102 R, 186 H, 18 HR, 69 RBI, .288/.353/.447 (.799 OPS)
LF:
last year: 673 AB, 114 R, 190 H, 35 HR, 109 RBI, .282/.348/.508 (.856 OPS)
this year: 702 AB, 114 R, 165 H, 42 HR, 81 RBI, .235/.300/.470 (.770 OPS)
CF:
last year: 587 AB, 95 R, 170 H, 23 HR, 101 RBI, .290/.374/.484 (.858 OPS)
this year: 603 AB, 102 R, 183 H, 21 HR, 87 RBI, .303/.391/.507 (.899 OPS)
RF:
last year: 603 AB, 100 R, 151 H, 15 HR, 71 RBI, .250/.350/.381 (.731 OPS)
this year: 588 AB, 87 R, 150 H, 24 HR, 78 RBI, .255/.362/.418 (.780 OPS)
We're getting a LOT less from catcher, 1B, 2B, 3B, and LF. We're getting better production from SS, CF and RF, but not nearly enough to offset the other positions.
Some of this is obvious: Soto has struggled, Lee had a terrible start but is bouncing back, Fontenot/Scales/Blanco/Miles have not matched DeRosa/Fontenot, Ramirez has been hurt, and Soriano has been slumping since May. Interestingly, the edge in CF is small, but just as interestingly we've gotten better production in RF in spite of Bradley's struggles.
Sorry for the long post. Hopefully you all find it worthwhile and illustrative.
P.S. The stats come from espn.com's team batting stats page using the filter options for position and year. For example, here are the current C stats for 2009 (which I then multiply by 3 to get a full-season projection):
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/aggregate?sort=runs&split=78&group=8&season=2009&seasonType=2&statType=batting&type=reg
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(Two quick questions)
How do you project 597 AB for 3B? Is that everyone who has played the position? How come you project more ABs at CF and less at RF, considering the “everyday” RF should bat 4th or 5th? Thanks!
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jun 9, 2009 9:29 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I simply took what has happened to this point and multiplied by three...
It’s just a simple projection based on the fact that we’re 1/3 of the way through the season.
Also, the everyday CF should get more AB (or at least more PA) than the RF, as our CF has been batting 2nd or 3rd, while the RF has been batting 4th, 5th, or 6th.
By the way: in the interest of full disclosure, I got the 2008 full-season stats and 2009 current stats from ESPN.com. I then multiplied by 3 to get a full-season projection for 2009.
by SouthernCub on Jun 9, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotcha, thanks!
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jun 9, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And hence the dilemma
The 2008 Cubs were blessed with a great many players producing solid and/or career high type production. And that isn’t happening again in 2009. In fact, the drop-off of this magnitude could not have been predicted by even the most pessimistic of sorts.
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by BLou on Jun 9, 2009 10:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Career high?
There were two positions last year that would qualify for that — catcher and second base. Last year’s right fielder had a horrible second half, the left fielder missed 1/3 of the season and the shortstop declined in September. The first baseman also had a mediocre 2nd half.
This year’s team had more trouble early. Maybe they’ll turn it around later.
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by Al on Jun 9, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Despite the late-season decline
I would still say that last season was a career high for Theriot (this year will be a new one if he keeps it up).
by Poloplaya14 on Jun 9, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Career high in BA, yes.
Not in SLG, though. This year’s numbers are much better for Theriot because he’s hitting for a bit of power without his average suffering too much.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jun 9, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At the time, though...
last year was definitely a career high for Theriot (which is I think Polo’s point).
But yes, this year has clearly been better (to this point) than last year for Theriot. And if it continues, it will be his career best.
by SouthernCub on Jun 9, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
career years
Fontenot, DeRosa, Blanco, Dempster, Wood, Marmol (unfortunately…)
by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 9, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd argue that last year was NOT Marmol's career year...
I’d say his 2007 was better.
I agree on the rest of them.
by SouthernCub on Jun 9, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
splitting hairs
better pitcher per inning in ’07, 18 more innings in ’08
by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 9, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is why I'd call 07 his career year...
I think he was a better pitcher in 07. He pitched plenty of innings, and was just untouchable. Last year, he pitched more innings but wasn’t quite as dominant.
by SouthernCub on Jun 9, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was just as dominant
minus that one rough stretch in August. Take out that patch, and his numbers are equal to his ’07 numbers, more or less.
by Poloplaya14 on Jun 9, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Completely disagree...
No one should have predicted Ramirez missing several months. Therefore, the dropoff at 3B would be gone, and the dropoff at 2B would be small (probably less than 75 OPS points). No one should have predicted the dropoff at LF to be so great. And 1B appears to be heading back to minimal dropoff, as Lee appears to have righted the ship after a horrendous April.
The only position in which a big dropoff should/could have been expected was C. And that should have been (and probably will be) offset by the improvement in RF. The offense should have been expected to be slightly worse (worse in CF, 2B, and C, better in RF, and about the same in 1B, SS, 3B, and LF).
I realize that you enjoy being overly pessimistic, but even the most overly pessimistic folks shouldn’t have reasonably predicted this start.
Fortunately, things should get better. We should get better production from 1B, LF and RF, and Ramirez will improve 3B and 2B. That doesn’t mean we’ll get the same production as last year. But it means things should get much better.
by SouthernCub on Jun 9, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"The only position in which a big dropoff should/could have been expected was C"
I disagree. I think most of us expected Soto, as a young developing player to get better. The declines at all the other positions (other than 3B/2B, which is due to Ramirez)are all age-related, which can be expected to some degree.
by Poloplaya14 on Jun 9, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not nearly to the degree that they've happened...
LF and 1B have been much worse than should have been expected (though both should get markedly better).
The “should” part of the Soto expectation could be dropped. But one could have expected a sophomore slump to some degree.
But none of the dropoffs should have be expected to be remotely close to this severe.
by SouthernCub on Jun 9, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, after analyzing...
I believe last year’s team was a bona-fide offensive juggernaut. Some of those numbers are gaudy. But other than 2B and C, this year’s numbers aren’t horrid.
Now, my main concern is (and I’ve said this many times here) the numbers Aramis Ramirez will be able to provide once he comes back. The only improvement he may provide is OPS, as I believe he’s been proven more patient than any of his subs. But the power will not return this year. (dear Jeebus, I hope I get to eat all sorts of crow on this).
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jun 9, 2009 10:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm worried that you're right about Ramirez
They say the injury wasn’t that serious, but there’s really no way to know until he plays.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 9, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even a "doubles power" Ramirez will greatly improve the offense...
as we’ll replace a .576 OPS at 2B with a .700 OPS (or better) from Fontenot and a platoon partner, and replace the .700 OPS from Fontenot at 3B with maybe a .775-.825 OPS from Ramirez (or better). That’s a pretty substantial upgrade.
by SouthernCub on Jun 9, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We were #2 in MLB in offense last year.
Hard to compare that when there’s 29 other spots we could be in…and 28 of them are worse.
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by dtpollitt on Jun 9, 2009 10:42 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I got a question......
This is really interesting to see what Cub averages are for this year. Where do I find what the average 1st baseman in the NL is batting for example.
"That's what you live for. You live for the opportunity and when that day comes, you better be ready," Soto said. "I tried to make sure that whenever they gave me a chance, I was ready and I knew I had to take advantage of the opportunity."
by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 9, 2009 10:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You can get a feel from the site I linked...
it gives the team performances by position. We’ve gotten the 12th best production from 1B so far this year, driven largely by DLee’s horrendous April. The middle of the pack is around an .810-.815 OPS, whereas we’ve gotten a .769 OPS. I expect our number to go up some and perhaps jump into the upper half.
By position in terms of OPS rank:
14th at C
12th at 1B
tied for last at 2B
3rd at SS
8th at 3B
8th in LF
2nd in CF
7th in RF
by SouthernCub on Jun 9, 2009 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow - poorly worded title...
that should have read:
“you can get a feel for it from the site I linked”
or:
“you can get a general idea about it from the site I linked”
oops
by SouthernCub on Jun 9, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats good that the site won't try to a feel from me. :)
Im not personally into those kinda sites. giggling
Where as one that I can get a general idea about baseball averages I will find interesting
"That's what you live for. You live for the opportunity and when that day comes, you better be ready," Soto said. "I tried to make sure that whenever they gave me a chance, I was ready and I knew I had to take advantage of the opportunity."
by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 9, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dang, I was all set to go to the site . . .
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by Shanghai Badger on Jun 9, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My sincerest apologies for misleading you...
by SouthernCub on Jun 9, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW southern cub.... no need for apologies.
you had must sitting here and giggling and took me a minute to come up with a good comeback :)
"That's what you live for. You live for the opportunity and when that day comes, you better be ready," Soto said. "I tried to make sure that whenever they gave me a chance, I was ready and I knew I had to take advantage of the opportunity."
by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 9, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, my sarcasm/sense of humor didn't come through...
I knew you folks were kidding – just playing along.
by SouthernCub on Jun 9, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why doesn't that surprise me Badger ^giggling evilly^
"That's what you live for. You live for the opportunity and when that day comes, you better be ready," Soto said. "I tried to make sure that whenever they gave me a chance, I was ready and I knew I had to take advantage of the opportunity."
by Madison Cub Fan on Jun 9, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Raise your hand
if you predicted SS and CF to be our offensive strengths in the preseason.
by Poloplaya14 on Jun 9, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that all of MLB
or just the NL?
Free Ronny Cedeno
by Kansas25 on Jun 9, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This years team is not last years team.
I think we can all agree on that. Statistically and performance wise, we were the best in the NL last year and yet we failed in the playoffs. I would rather this be a team that barely scratches into the playoffs with mediocre numbers if it means going further in the playoffs. Sometimes adversity during the year can help you prepare for the playoffs.
I would agree with Als’ take on this one, there are more than numbers sometimes. There are intangibles at play here and sometimes the numbers don’t tell the whole story. Sorry to those stats-lovin, baseball freaks. said nicely
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by KaliCub on Jun 9, 2009 11:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wait... so...
When Fontenot has started at 3B, his numbers from that game are included in the 3B totals right? Or is he looked at only as a 2B in these numbers? Just curious.
by kanderber on Jun 9, 2009 11:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's numbers produced by the person playing that position...
so Fontenot’s numbers when he was playing 2B are included in the 2B calculation, and his numbers when he was playing 3B are included in the 3B calculation.
So the totals for 2B include AB by Fontenot, Miles, Scales, Blanco, and Freel. The totals for 3B include AB by Ramirez, Fontenot, Scales, Fox, and Freel. And so on.
by SouthernCub on Jun 9, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm actually more interested
To see the pitcher projections for the rest of the year.
I feel like when we start the season they always have weak projections for our rotation and relievers (well they might have been right about some of our relievers).
by ak123 on Jun 9, 2009 11:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Here goes...
Here goes:
Starters:
2009: 3.79 ERA, 984 IP, 873 K, 345 BB, .242/.309/.396 (.705 OPS), 1.25 WHIP
2008: 3.75 ERA, 955 IP, 786 K, 362 BB, 237/.312/.383 (.695 OPS), 1.27 WHIP
Relievers:
2009: 4.43 ERA, 463 IP, 447 K, 297 BB, .233/.353/.386 (.739 OPS), 1.5 WHIP
2008: 4.10 ERA, 495.2 IP, 478 K, 186 BB, .251/.323/.418 (.741 OPS), 1.33 WHIP
So the starters are pitching a few more innings, walking fewer people and getting more Ks, but giving up a few more hits. They’re basically on par with last year.
The relievers are pitching worse. The are giving up a lot more walks, with a similar K rate. They are giving up fewer hits, but more total baserunners.
by SouthernCub on Jun 9, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
The starting pitching is the good news to all this, I suppose. Although I expect the SP to slip somewhat and the bullpen to improve somewhat.
I still think this team is playoff bound. Although I was one of the few who still thought they could win the NLDS last year after the first two games…
by dr stabbingworth on Jun 9, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look at it this way. Runs scored.
In 2008, we scored 855 runs… 2nd in all of baseball behind Texas (901).
In 2009, we’re on pace to score 711 runs. That would’ve made us 23rd last year. And, we’re currently ranked 26th out of 30 teams in runs scored.
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by SackMan on Jun 9, 2009 12:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for this SC...
It is interesting. As you noted, I suspect that once factors like injuries, propable rebounds from slumps, etc. occur, we should see the numbers rebound some. Though I don’t tihnk we can (nor ever really should’ve) expected a repeat of our performance last year).
I think someone noted this above, but in some ways this year looks worse only because last year had such impressive production in several positions. Against the league average projections this year, I hope that we don’t look quite as anemic.
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 9, 2009 12:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ergh...
I meant “probable”…Stupid english skills…
by CubsWin!Oregon on Jun 9, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, though unfortunately we do look anemic against league averages...
See my reply to Madison Cub Fan.
But yes – a lot of this is going to change when the following happens:
- Lee and Soto have more distance from their horrific Aprils
- Soriano has a hot streak to offset his slump
- Bradley starts really hitting
- Ramirez gets healthy and bumps Fontenot back to a platoon at 2B
by SouthernCub on Jun 9, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you could probably do this easier (just for reference)
by using baseball-reference
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/split.cgi?t=b&team=CHC&year=2009
same numbers just all on one page as opposed to having to filter one position at a time
by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 9, 2009 1:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks... I'll use that site for future reference...
was just more familiar with ESPN’s stats page at the time.
by SouthernCub on Jun 9, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i just know the hassle
of flipping through espn’s filters one page at a time
by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 9, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I agree...
having it on just two pages is nice, rather than having to filter 8 times for 2008 and then 8 more times for 2009.
by SouthernCub on Jun 9, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank you, this is interesting
it would also be interesting to see the 1/3 season 2009 vs. 1/3 season 2008 (as opposed to full season 2008). i would think that offensive stats usually tend to be lower in the 1st third of the season in a cold, wind blowing in wrigley.
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by joeschmitt on Jun 9, 2009 2:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Very good point
Fontenot (fon-te-no): Cajun for "scrappy"
by zambranofan on Jun 9, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rough, not by position
BA OBP SLG OPS
0.286 0.367 0.450 0.817 Through May 30, 2008 (56 Games)
0.248 0.327 0.405 0.732 Through June 7, 2009 (54 Games)
It’s not just a problem of poor offense early in the season. Last year was better.
Fontenot (fon-te-no): Cajun for "scrappy"
by zambranofan on Jun 9, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is all interesting
and I use the ESPN filters (very handy).
What is pathetic to this point is the difference I would think in the success with RISP last year – to this year’s worst in the NL.
Tonight Bradley left 10 men on base BY HIMSELF!
He is really pathetic at the plate right now. If Hendry can trade him to an AL team for something useful (without much salary hit), it will equal one of his better corrections of an absolutely terrible decision.
by The E-Man on Jun 9, 2009 11:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Or move him down in the lineup
Looks like some other guys are warming up finally!
by ak123 on Jun 9, 2009 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or maybe Hendry shouldn't overreact to one bad month and one bad game...
For all your complaints about hitting w/RISP, Bradley (with a 1.018 OPS) has been one of our better hitters w/RISP.
The guy had a terrible April, a mediocre May, and a bad game last night. Trading him when his stock is at an all-time low is, well, a panic move, in my opinion.
by SouthernCub on Jun 10, 2009 6:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
one bad game
on the way back from not hitting for several days. If you traded him now, you’d get almost nothing in return, and you’d pay most of his salary.
Stupid move.
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by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2009 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley has not been in the lineup enough to produce...
…and the signing had inherent injury risk, no question, but he shouldn’t be traded either. He’s a very talented offensive player. He can help this team significantly. There were other players available that may not have had the same injury risk but right now we can’t just trade Bradley. We have to sit tight and improve the team at other positions, and wait for Bradley to get healthy enough to produce.
by DudeVf11 on Jun 12, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great work, SouthernCub
The other night I gave my wife the layman’s version of what you so thoroughly explained.
I told her “The Cubs are short five bats compared to last year”. Soriano is in a tailspin; Soto has been scuffling; DeRosa has been replaced by the underwhelming trio of Fontenot, Miles, and Scales; Bradley has been hurt and/or inconsistent; and ARam has been on the DL. That would certainly explain how a team can go from 2nd in runs scored to 26th in the span of one year.
by CaliCub on Jun 10, 2009 10:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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