MLB Draft Chat
Today marks the beginning of the three day extravaganza that is the MLB Draft. For those of you wondering, today the Cubs have the 31st, 79th, and 109th picks. The draft is scheduled to get under way at 5 PM CST with the Washington Nationals on the clock. The first two picks are expected to be SDSU RHP Stephen Strasburg and UNC 1B/OF Dustin Ackley. After that...it's anyone's guess what will happen.
Some links for your amusement:
BCB Draft Preview: Eric Arnett
BCB Draft Preview: The Rest of the Pack
Current rumors have the Cubs keyed on a handful of players with their first pick: Notre Dame OF AJ Pollock, Cal OF Brett Jackson, Indiana RHP Eric Arnett, Oklahoma State LHP Andy Oliver, LSU OF Jared Mitchell, KS HS RHP Garrett Gould, and MO HS RHP Jacob Turner.
However, the latest reports from the draft are saying that a number of the top high school prospects have dramatically increased their price tags. We could see a lot of really interesting names fall to the Cubs if teams decide to back off of guys like Tyler Matzek and Matt Purke.
So, use this thread to discuss the draft! This should be a fun couple of days.
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There will be a front-page post on the draft at 4 pm CDT.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
You doing another front page post for Days 2 and 3?
by Outshined_One on Jun 10, 2009 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Probably not...
… so either you or Josh feel free to make a fanpost.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Sounds good
I’m fine with using this one, but if Josh wants to make a new fanpost, I’d have no problem with it.
by Outshined_One on Jun 10, 2009 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions
There's a lot of mocking going on in this Fanpost...
…and I, for one, don’t appreciate it.
I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.
Thank you for these links
It looks like the discussion will probably move to the front-page post, but I had thought of asking for something like this.
Thank you again.
Fontenot (fon-te-no): Cajun for "scrappy"
Indeed
it was kinda nice to have all of the mocks put in one post to look over before the draft gets under way.
by CHCOWNTHECENTRAL on Jun 9, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Please pick best available collegiate position player
You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little messed up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?
In that case
Prepare yourself for Tyler Colvin 2: Electric Boogaloo.
This year’s crop of college position players is pretty bad.
by Outshined_One on Jun 9, 2009 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Too bad we can't get Dustin
He’s the one UNC player I ever liked. He reminds me a lot of Longoria, Smoak, and LaPorta in their college days when I followed them.
Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!
Funny you should mention that
since the most likely “best available” player this year would be a toolsy player like Jackson or Mitchell.
The free swinging hackers just don’t seem like your style.
Add Aaron Crow and Tanner Scheppers to the list
According to Keith Law and MLBTR they’ll drop because of money reasons. The Yanks I doubt will take them because they lose their pick all together if they don’t sign them, I believe.
Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!
Jim Callis at BA was also reporting the possible fall of Crow.
I can’t believe he would fall to the Cubs. Boston would likely take him.
Still BA was reporting numerous guys falling in the past 24 hours due to high bonus demands.
The TV/online broadcast is pathetic...
The first round of the draft used to be done in about 5 minutes. This time-filling, three minutes a pick thing is just stupid. Some events are just not made for TV, and the MLB draft is one of them.
Ladies and gentlemen! It's 1985 all over again, but this time the offense goes to hell!
Great insight from MLB A's Twitter page
“As each player is selected, a member of the A’s scouting staff takes their names off The Board.
OaklandAs 1 minute ago”
Wow. You mean they keep track of who other teams pick? What a great idea. Perhaps I will try this in my next fantasy draft. Thank God for Twitter, otherwise we never would have known.
Ladies and gentlemen! It's 1985 all over again, but this time the offense goes to hell!
So our pick
is an OF not athletic enough to play CF, not powerful enough for the corners and strikes out a lot? Terrific….Colvin 2.0 indeed
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Or
Pie 3.0 or Patterson 4.0.
I hate the words “5 tool player” or ·"toolsy" and that was one of the first things I read about this guy. I mean, there are some guys like that who are good, but they don’t get drafted/developed by the Cubs.
Less athletic than Pie or Patterson
Less power than Patterson as well.
But better walk rate than either player, for whatever that’s worth.
I always find it amusing
That whenever a player is described as “toolsy” it usually implies that he sucks at hitting… which, to me, is a pretty important “tool”.
Quick Summaries of the Cubs' Picks so Far
Focus Area Comments
Hitting ability: Jackson has a solid, balanced approach at the plate. He doesn’t have a big load to the ball and sometimes looks like he’s rushing a bit.
Power: Shows average raw power now, but the way he swings it, he doesn’t tap into it. He slaps at the ball a little more as Cal’s leadoff hitter. But he does have some pop in there.
Running speed: Has above-average speed, with a football player’s stride; someone who runs hard.
Base running: It’s OK and he should be able to steal some bases in the future.
Arm strength: Has a plus arm from the outfield.
Fielding: He’s fine in center now, but if he gets bigger and slows down, he might have to move to a corner spot.
Range: Runs gap-to-gap well.
Physical Description: Jackson is a big, athletic outfielder with good overall body strength.
Medical Update: Healthy.
Strengths: Strength, athletic ability. Some hitting ability and good speed to go along with good overall actions in center field.
Weaknesses: Strikes out a little too often for a leadoff hitter, but can he hit for enough power to be a No. 3 type. If he gets bigger, he may not be able to stay in center.
Summary: It’s not a great Draft class for college bats, particularly in the outfield, so one with the athleticism Jackson has is bound to be noticed. He runs well on both sides of the ball, has a decent approach at the plate and plays a good center field right now. Some may see him as a tweener who isn’t a leadoff hitter or a No. 3 type. If he gets bigger he will have to move to a corner, where how much power he actually has becomes a bigger question. He’s got more value if he can stay in center, and the team that takes him may be hoping he can stay put.
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Hitting ability: LeMahieu has a solid approach up the middle and uses the big part of the field well with a line-drive stroke.
Power: He might have average power, a touch better, but he’s better gap-to-gap.
Running speed: An average runner once underway; he might slow down as he gets bigger and matures.
Base running: Has good instincts on the bases.
Arm strength: His arm is solid average in the infield.
Fielding: Hands work well, but he may not be able to stay at shortstop.
Range: His range is a little short for his position. He lacks first-step quickness
Physical Description: LeMahieu is a tall infielder with wiry strength.
Medical Update: Healthy.
Strengths: Good baseball instincts, solid hitting approach.
Weaknesses: Lacks the quickness and range to play shortstop, but doesn’t have the pure raw power you’d like to see from a third baseman.
Summary: As a shortstop from a major college program, LeMahieu is going to get plenty of looks. Like most LSU products, he plays the game the right way and makes the most of his average tools. He’s got a solid approach at the plate, but doesn’t have a ton of raw power. That wouldn’t matter, except for the fact he might have to move to third as he matures. Still, as a real “baseball player” who’s excelled in a major program, he’s bound to be drafted well.
Consistent lefty that was dominant this year at the high school level with an overpower fastball with late movement. Throws in the low 90s, but upped his stock a bit by being clocked as high as 95 mph in the state semifinals. Sharp breaking ball coupled with a solid changeup give him three quality pitches to keep hitters off balance. Struck out 111 with only 21 walks in 62 innings this spring. Has signed with OU.
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Not as good as his rotation teammates Paxton and Meyer, but he’s got the kind of stuff that’ll allow him to move quickly through the system, which is good for a senior sign. He works fastball/curve/change with the FB in the upper 80s, touching low 90s on occasion with excellent command of his stuff. He has a bit of an injury history due to arthroscopic elbow surgery this past offseason and has a deceptive, albeit unusual, delivery that may have contributed to it.
by Outshined_One on Jun 10, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
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A bit on the raw side and probably an overdraft, Darvill is an intriguing player who will probably end up moving to 3B due to his large stature (6’3 175 pounds). He hasn’t quite hit for the power you’d like to see out of a future 3B, but his bat speed and his arm suggest that he could get the job done at 3B. It’s mostly a matter of seeing how his power develops. As a left handed hitter, he seems to fit the Cubs’ ongoing mission to get more lefties in the organization.
by Outshined_One on Jun 10, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Baseball Prospectus
Was divided on this pick. Kevin Goldstein though he was a steal whereas Bryan Smith didn’t like it at all.
by Josh Timmers on Jun 10, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
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Raley was arguably the best two way draft eligible player coming into the season. Most scouts thought he’d end up as a LHP, especially given his sinking fastball that he works with in the high 80s/low 90s and a biting slider, although he also offers a curveball and changeup which have been workable pitches. He has a fantastic presence on the mound and very good command of his pitches. The biggest problem with him has been that he just completely collapsed down the stretch, both as a pitcher and as a hitter. Some worry that his body might not be able to take the workload that would come from being a starter, although others think he still has room to grow and mature as a pitcher.
As a hitter, he profiles more as a slap-happy CF. His primary value is on the mound and the Cubs should stick with him there.
by Outshined_One on Jun 10, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Raley
When asked who some of his favorite picks were, Keith Law had this to say:
“Stassi, Krol, Songco, Bailey, Hagerty (let the man catch!), Ryan Jackson (off my 100, but good value for that pick). And Brooks Raley at 200 – wow.”
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Raw, Raw, Raw. An unheralded prospect out of Illinois, he has enough tools to dream on as a potential SS/OF down the line. He’s a good athlete, fast, could hit for a bit of power, and has a strong enough arm to play SS without much trouble. The Cubs should be able to buy him out of his commitment to Illinois State without much trouble.
by Outshined_One on Jun 10, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions
8th Round - RHP Robert Whiteneck (SUNY Old Westbury)
by DartmouthCubsFan on Jun 10, 2009 12:05 PM CDT reply actions
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Sleeper prospect out of New York whose fastball works in the high 80s to go with a terrific knuckle curveball and two passable pitches in a slider and change. At 6’5 185 pounds, he has a wiry frame that has room for projection, although there are some questions as to whether his body could add more muscle onto it. Good value here.
by Outshined_One on Jun 10, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
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Think Jake Fox from the left side. He’s a power hitter through and through, with contact possibly being an issue down the road. He’s not going to stick at catcher due to defensive failings, although his arm is good enough that a move to 3B is a possibility.
by Outshined_One on Jun 10, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
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Can’t find much on him. There’s talk that he might have a future on the mound, as he’s been clocked in the low 90s on the mound.
by Outshined_One on Jun 10, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Also
After this point, my info is kinda sparse. I’ll post what I can if I find anything, but usually the information gets really difficult to track down after this point.
by Outshined_One on Jun 10, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Fourth, actually
I can’t count. Third American HS
by Josh Timmers on Jun 10, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
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Two-way player who’s committed to USF. That’s about all I got.
by Outshined_One on Jun 10, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
For what it's worth
Brooks Raley was rated as one of the best available when today started
by CHCOWNTHECENTRAL on Jun 10, 2009 1:34 PM CDT reply actions
Does anybody think
that Stassi signs or does he go to college if he doesn’t get first round money
by CHCOWNTHECENTRAL on Jun 10, 2009 1:34 PM CDT reply actions
He'll sign
The A’s apparently have devoted more of their resources to their draft budget. If Stassi’s not asking for crazy money, he’ll get signed.
by Outshined_One on Jun 10, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
He's asking
for 1.5 million, which is end of the first round money. I bet Oakland gets “Barney Rubble” to sign for about 1.2 million.
by Josh Timmers on Jun 10, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
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He’s a two sport player and could actually end up playing DB for a BCS school next season. As a baseball player, he has a lot of great athletic tools both in the field and on the mound. However, he is incredibly raw and would need a decent amount of time to tap into his potential in baseball. He’ll be hard to sign this far down.
by Outshined_One on Jun 10, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
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He has a questionable past, to say the least. Last year in the Cape Cod League, a drunk teammate ran him over and pinned him under a truck. He was also suspended from the UNC baseball team for violating team rules, although the specific violation was never made public.
by Outshined_One on Jun 10, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
a drunk teammate ran him over and pinned him under a truck.
So you’re saying he’s durable? :P
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jun 10, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
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Solid, but unspectacular player at catcher. He’s good behind the plate, but he’s not all that great when it comes to throwing out the runner. His bat is nothing to write home about.
by Outshined_One on Jun 10, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
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Dropped due to signability concerns, he could have gone 10 rounds higher. However, he has very good power in his bat and could be an asset behind the plate. He needs to get in better shape and log more time behind the dish before he can get to that point, though.
by Outshined_One on Jun 10, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
20th Round - LHP Eric Erickson (Miami)
And with that, I’ve got to get back to work. I’ll probably post some more stuff later tonight if anyone’s interested.
Oh, we're interested
And it keeps me from having to look this stuff up.
by Josh Timmers on Jun 10, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
not a lot of activity in here today but what you’re doing is definitely appreciated
by CHCOWNTHECENTRAL on Jun 10, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
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Had elbow surgery and missed the 2009 season. He was expected to have been one of the better pitchers for Miami this past season, so his incentive to go back should be fairly high. However, with the Cubs selecting only a handful of guys dropping due to signability, he could be had.
by Outshined_One on Jun 10, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions
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Oozes tools, but he’s hit .212 this season while striking out 53 times in 179 ABs. Seems like a good ceiling guy, but his bust potential is pretty high. As a 23rd rounder, you can’t ask for much more.
by Outshined_One on Jun 10, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes
In the 23rd round, you’re looking for either sleepers, or guys who are going to be good teammates for your actual prospects.
by Josh Timmers on Jun 11, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
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Sleeper! He has a strong commitment to Kansas State, but he’s got a good frame for a young pitcher. He currently works high 80s with a developing slider and change. He could add some velocity as he gets older. Should be interesting to see if the Cubs go over slot to get him.
by Outshined_One on Jun 10, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions
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Should hit for power and average, has pretty good defensive tools at 1B. Might not be a bad pick.
by Outshined_One on Jun 10, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I like the look so far
6’4" 250 1B that hits from the left side with power
by CHCOWNTHECENTRAL on Jun 10, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I saw him
I think his freshman year at Mason, during a period when he hit something ridiculous like seven homers in seven days. He’s a big kid no doubt (his legs looked like tree trunks) but I don’t know about defensive tools…he may have developed since then, but at that point he looked like his range was probably measured in inches not feet. he had very good college stats, though, so i hope he’s one of these fly-under-the-radar heavy hitters!
by PrincetonCubs on Jun 10, 2009 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Just seeing pictures of him
I had questions about his range. He definitely looks like he has DH written all over him do to lack of defensive ability. You know what they so you can’t judge a book by it’s cover. No question the kid has a sluggers frame though
by CHCOWNTHECENTRAL on Jun 11, 2009 3:14 AM CDT up reply actions
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Potential relief prospect. Throws a good fastball and not much else. He’ll probably return for his senior year to up his draft stock.
by Outshined_One on Jun 10, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Quick Note
Don’t know anything about him except that the Cubs drafted him last year in the 41st round and didn’t sign him. Considering the Cubs need permission to re-draft players and they picked him here, I’m guessing he’ll sign.
by Outshined_One on Jun 11, 2009 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions
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Another relief prospect, he saw his stuff decline this season in terms of velocity and command after flashing a fastball in the low 90s and a good cutter/slider. Was hitting low to mid 80s and subsequently ended up in the bullpen as a result.
by Outshined_One on Jun 10, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions
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And a pretty good one! He’s advanced defensively for his age behind the dish and has the potential to be a masher at the plate. He needs exposure to better pitching, though, since he’s been feasting on some decidedly mediocre IL HS pitchers. However, he’s very strongly committed to Iowa and the Cubs might have to dip into their pockets to buy him out of it.
That’s three IL prep prospects on the day for the Cubs. This has been a rather unusual draft so far since the Cubs have mixed in a number of high school products.
by Outshined_One on Jun 10, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Oooh
That’s a tough one for me. Do I want him for the Cubs or do I want him for the Hawkeyes?
by Josh Timmers on Jun 11, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Rec'd
This post and, especially, yesterday’s picks deserve far more consideration than they’ve been given…
…the Cubs’ draft didn’t conclude with the selection of Brett Jackson and I’m surprised, considering that it was the #31 pick, at the amount of attention that so many readers have apparently placed on that choice. The selection of Austin Kirk is far more intriguing to me….a teenaged lefty that gets his fastball into the 90s? I don’t follow the draft, the minors, or the general prospect hype as closely as many other BCB readers, so I have three questions…
1) Is this guy legit? In other words, absent financial concerns, would he rank much higher among the draft-eligible players?
2) Does anyone have any idea, even speculative, as to how much it will cost the Cubs to buy Kirk out of his Sooner scholarship?
3) Kirk aside, is Raley that much of a steal? Why did he fall so far down? Money? Hiding an injury?
"I'd rather play baseball than eat." - Andy Pafko
I agree with lack of coverage
I was wondering if anybody was going to do a post after the draft was completed tomorrow to grade the draft as a whole. Also possibly hit the highlights of the draft. I know that there have been just a few that have actually posted in here but believe more might be interested in seeing a draft review. I know the minors are kinda your thing Josh but don’t know how much you know about the prospects. I have a feeling somebody has to follow these prospects and be able provide some input though.
by CHCOWNTHECENTRAL on Jun 11, 2009 3:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Matt
is going to do another complete draft wrapup in a day or two. GIve us a chance to catch our breath.
by Josh Timmers on Jun 11, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Raley fell
because he stunk for the final two month of the season, so I understand. He’s also wants a lot of money and is a sophomore-eligible player, so he’s got a lot of leverage as far as going back to Texas A&M.
by Josh Timmers on Jun 11, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Day 3 Picks
31st Round: 1B Andrew Clark (Louisville)
32nd Round: RHP Kenneth McNutt (Shelton State CC)
33rd Round: LHP John Lambert (North Carolina State)
34th Round: RHP Joseph Varner (Texas-Arlington)
35th Round: C Kevin David, (Oklahoma State)
36th Round: 2B Brandon May (Alabama)
37th Round: SS Peter Mooney (Palm Beach CC)
38th Round: 1B/3B Robert Wagner (Panola JC)
39th Round: RHP Nick Struck (Mt. Hood CC)
40th Round: RHP Eric Whaley (FL HS)
41st Round: RHP Jacob Schmidt (Concordia (Minnesota))
42nd Round: SS/3B Trey Ford (AZ HS)
43rd Round: RHP Colin Kaepernick (Nevada-Reno)
44th Round: RHP Frank DeJiulio (Daytona Beach CC)
45th Round: RHP Addison Dunn (PA HS)
46th Round: CF Glenn Cook (Miami (FL))
47th Round: 3B Joseph Jocketty (MO HS)
48th Round: RHP John Nasshan (Niles West HS (Skokie, IL))
49th Round: OF Christian Segar, (NY HS)
50th Round: RHP Zach Cleveland (Central Arizona JC)
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Not much to note about this group. The Cubs usually don’t sign a whole lot of their picks from 31-50 since most of these guys would rather continue their amateur careers (either through going to school, going back to school for senior year, or transferring) in order to up their draft stocks. The information on a lot of these guys is almost non-existent, to boot.
However, one interesting thing to note is that 47th rounder Joseph Jocketty is Reds General Manager Walt Jocketty’s son.
by Outshined_One on Jun 11, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for the work the last couple of days
Looks like there were a lot more HS players drafted than in recent years should be interesting to see who signs and who doesn’t
by CHCOWNTHECENTRAL on Jun 11, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Colin Kaepernick from Nevada?!
Seriously?! This guy was the WAC 2nd team QB for Nevada. Guy has a great arm and a lot of mobility in football…very intriguing pick.
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"You just wouldn't get it...it's a Cubs thing..." Me.
by cubs2k8isnxtyear on Jun 12, 2009 1:46 AM CDT up reply actions
He also hasn't played baseball
since high school, according to his Wikipedia entry.
He’d probably work well with Samardzija, though.
by Josh Timmers on Jun 12, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions

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