The Return of Juan Pierre?
Would you like to see Juan Pierre return to the Cubs?
With Manny coming back, it’s obvious that Juan Pierre will be returning to the bench. What’s sad is that he is having a career year. I wonder if part of the reason he has been busting rear is because he wants to play FT. With Manny coming back, do you think the Dodgers might shop him around as trade bait? If so, should the Cubs look into re-acquiring him? Or is there better options out there of Hendry to look at? Could he be the Kenny Lofton of '09?
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OMG
this gets worse every day
DEJESUS!!!
by tomas21 on Jul 1, 2009 12:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Crap... didn't see the one up above...
can delete this if you want…
by TheHawkRules on Jul 1, 2009 12:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What are you referring to?
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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 1, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Al had a post that Juan wants to be traded...
…its 3 months old… Don’t mean to make anybody mad.
by TheHawkRules on Jul 1, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
revisiting a topic three months down the road, especially after Juan’s resurgence in LA, is probably ok. :D
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by drewishdrewid on Jul 1, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, OK.
Just as an FYI: You can delete your own Fanposts. Look just below the red bar above.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 1, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just getting used to the Ben Zobrist ideas
Yeah! f’n Ben Zobrist! — jeezus now it’s Juan Pierre?
who’s next Jerome Walton?
Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb.
by junkhorse on Jul 1, 2009 12:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
you take that back!
you see this man … it says Topps All-Star Rookie … that means he’s freakin solid!
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by junkhorse on Jul 1, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Juan Pierre is having a big year...
Look at his stats. I have no idea if his contract expires soon though. He may not be a good piece of the puzzle, but to think that his stats wouldn’t look good on this Cubs team…well, you must not want the Cubs to win.
Like I said, he may not be the best piece of the puzzle, but his stats would look good. Who knows if he could keep it up though. He may be having his career season, like Dempster and MB did last year. Still, if he had it with us… would be nice.
In my opinion.
by TheHawkRules on Jul 1, 2009 12:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Who would you suggest Hendry trade for him?
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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 1, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea what the Dodgers want/need...
…. I just wondered if the Dodgers might seriously want to get rid of him now with Manny returning, and if this would be something Hendry should look into. I was wondering what you all think on BCB.
by TheHawkRules on Jul 1, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, well, I say absolutely not.
Pierre’s stats this year are mostly based on an absurdly high BABIP earlier in the season. Not sure where he’s at now. He is a pretty decent defensive centerfielder in terms of range – IIRC, his UZR numbers are pretty decent – but his arm is bad. Mythically bad. And, as others have noted, the Cubs have plenty o’ outfielders. The team needs a bat and – his remarkable ’09 aside – Juan Pierre is not a bat.
But all this is academic, because Jim Hendry would never even consider trading for Juan Pierre again after getting burned so bad the first time.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 1, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well then
First of all, Juan PIerre isn’t the answer to a lot of questions but if the question is whether he’s better than the Cubs current leadoff hitter, the answer is yes. Soriano’s baseball card may look better on the back than Pierre’s but Pierre has been much more produtive than Soriano over the past two months. Will that continue? Who knows but if he’s cheap he’d be a fine alternative to the fly-swatter they currently have in LF.
So you’d substitute a guy that can still run, will get on base at a decent but not spectacular rate that can actually catch a fly ball and play a competent LF while having to kick it in from the OF for a guy that has been absolutely lost at the plate for nearly 8 weeks, loafs in the OF, refuses to hustle, can no longer run but can throw with the best of them.
I’m not sure how you want to value the two but I’d say the answer is far less definitive as you’d believe it is.
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by krummy12 on Jul 1, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, it's definitive...
because the Cubs aren’t going to pay another OF $10 million per year for the next 2.5 years.
by SouthernCub on Jul 1, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fine. Drop Soriano from the leadoff spot...
…and Juan Pierre still sucks.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 1, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
our OF is crowded enough already
with Fox, Houff, Fuku, Bradley, Sori, Johnson, etc. … where the hell is Pierre going to play and when?
Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb.
by junkhorse on Jul 1, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's if none of them would be in the trade...
… or would be in another. Obviously if Hendry did trade for him, there would be a place for him to play.
by TheHawkRules on Jul 1, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless I'm missing something...
…it seems unlikely the Dodgers would want any of the Cubs current crop of outfielders and quasi-outfielders (Fox, Hoffpauir).
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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 1, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are prolly right...
… I dunno…
Maybe Pierre isn’t a good fit… that’s why I brought it up. I dunno… For whatever reason, I just don’t have much faith in Hendry right now. I used to, but this season has been bad. I dunno…
by TheHawkRules on Jul 1, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Pierre isn't the answer.
And, like I said, Hendry is not going to risk further damage to his tattered reputation by re-trading for a player he got burned on the first time.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 1, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Makes sense
…. yeah, with the facts brought forth, especially the $ involved… it probably wouldn’t be a good deal.
Now, with how the year has gone thus far, watch Hendry make a trade and get him! lol That would be messed up.
by TheHawkRules on Jul 1, 2009 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on
Please look through the numbers to see how Hendry got “burned” in the Pierre deal. A season of good starts from Nolasco, a strikeout and walk based LH reliever and a guy out of baseball. Hardly the huge package people believe was dealt for Pierre.
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by krummy12 on Jul 1, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was referring to Nolasco alone, of course.
Starting pitching is valuable. More valuable than a season of 200 inconsequential slap singles from Juan “Uber-Leadoff Man” Pierre. And I know Nolasco has struggled this year – but don’t count him out just yet. He had a pretty good June and is sporting some pretty sick K numbers. His FIP is under four, too.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 1, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was my question
What would you do with Pierre and please don’t say trade Fukudome for him. That isn’t happening. The Cubs owe $8 mil more in 10/11 than the Dodgers do Pierre. i don’t see the Cubs sending $8 mil to the Dodgers.
by rlpete on Jul 1, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
play him...
What do you think I would do with him? I don’t know if the Dodgers would want Fukudome, but, he needs to sit on the bench because he isn’t cutting it…especially against lefties.
by TheHawkRules on Jul 1, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Juan Pierre bats left-handed.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 1, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pierre isn't that good, and his contract is very big, and so are the contracts in our OF...
Pierre is making $10 million this year, $10 million in 2010, and $8.5 million in 2011. That’s too much money for a guy who has a career 85 OPS+. Yes, he had a fabulous May when Ramirez first went out. But he’s gone .264/.319/.309 in June. It appears that he’s returning to his typical mediocre OBP and no power form (i.e., below average offensive player).
But just as importantly, we have a full OF picture through the length of his contract. We have close to $50 million invested in our starting OF. The reason he wants out of Dodgertown is because they have too many OF. He’d be moving into the same situation here.
We aren’t going to get Juan Pierre.
by SouthernCub on Jul 1, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yuck
Yeah, i didnt know his contract status. I don’t like it and it, as it is, wouldn’t work for this team.
by TheHawkRules on Jul 1, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do. Not. Juan.
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by digitalbenjamin on Jul 1, 2009 12:39 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!
"He can't hit, he can't field, he can't run—all he can do is beat you."
by Itchy on Jul 1, 2009 12:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Stats
Pierre is hitting… .324. Has 21 steals. His OBP is .385. By the way… he has more RBI’s than Milton. Maybe there could be some sort of trade there…
Bradley for Pierre? Haha… what do you all think of that?
by TheHawkRules on Jul 1, 2009 12:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Aaaaaaand his OPS is still under .800, though just barely.
Look at his numbers in June – he’s come back down to earth. He’s put up a paltry .628 OPS in 122 PAs.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 1, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those numbers are buoyed by an unbelievable May...
check out what he’s done in June. And then check out what he’s done the past four years. He’s not as good as his numbers suggest.
Bradley, on the other hand, despite having a terrible start, is only 60 points behind Pierre in OPS. So while Pierre is likely to decline back to his norms, Bradley is likely to improve. And Bradley’s norm is much better than Pierre’s norm.
You’re basically suggesting that we buy high and sell low. That’s not a good move.
by SouthernCub on Jul 1, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MB for Pierre...
… may not be a good deal, but, the Dodgers would likely get more for Pierre than we would for Bradley. That’s my opinion…
by TheHawkRules on Jul 1, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess we'll see if/when Pierre is traded.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 1, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only if Bradley is traded too...
…which prolly won’t happen.
by TheHawkRules on Jul 1, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, we could get a rough idea...
…if Pierre alone was traded.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 1, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right now? Maybe, maybe not...
but that doesn’t really matter. Perceived value isn’t a good reason to trade FOR a player – it’s a good reason to trade AWAY a player.
by SouthernCub on Jul 1, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 1, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
When I saw this...
my initial thought was “please God let it just be this person’s idea, don’t let it be an actual rumor.”
Thank you, God.
by kanderber on Jul 1, 2009 1:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hilarious.
The only downside here is that it’s not just one person’s idea. Apparently 9 other people agree according to the poll. But maybe a few of them were just joking. Clearly, we need a sarcasm button for polls now.
Randy Wells - You continue to astound me.
by DGU on Jul 1, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd actually like to know the 9 people that think it would be a good idea.
63 to 9 is just about as definitive as it gets.
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by KaliCub on Jul 1, 2009 1:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Identify yourselves!!!
Or we will find you!!!
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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 1, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, we might be able to infer
these are a subset of the people who want trade/bench/dfa soriano, bradley and dome.
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by drewishdrewid on Jul 1, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd trade Dome.
If someone else took the contract, I’d trade him for a middle reliever. Right now.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 1, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok
but no one will take the contract.
I'm a Cubs FANATIC. They are my team, through thick and thin. When they play over their heads, and when they play under the gutter. When they win the division, and then get swept in the division series. When they get no-hitters and when they blow no-hitters. And some day, when they go all the way and get those rings. This is the kind of fan I am.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 1, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 1, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't mean we don't want to.
Get Peavy already! I want my #44 jersey!
by Cub Style on Jul 1, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know.
Nice double notwithstanding.
I did start with the premise, “If someone else took the contract” . . .
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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 1, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And, um,
who would play CF?
Randy Wells - You continue to astound me.
by DGU on Jul 1, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Johnson and Fuld
Tell me the offense would be worse than it is now.
I don’t dislike Dome and I hope he comes around. But he just looks flat-out awful.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 1, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I repeat:
Do NOT look at Kosuke’s June OPS.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 1, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ohhhh . . . I wish you hadn't told me that
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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 1, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 1, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I would slap someone in the mouth
just for suggesting this
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jul 1, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We get Juan Pierre back
And I will snap. You have seen warm and fuzzy Worf up until now.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
by Worf on Jul 1, 2009 1:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Suggested alternate poll:
Under what circumstances would you be interested in trading for Juan Pierre:
1) I still wouldn’t want Juan Pierre if the Dodgers were willing to trade him for Aaron Miles.
2) I still wouldn’t want Juan Pierre if the Dodgers paid his entire contract and Lou promised not to start him.
3) I still wouldn’t want Juan Pierre if the Dodgers threw in our pick of three pitching prospects as restitution for the original Juan Pierre trade.
4) I still wouldn’t want Juan Pierre if he could play top-tier SS defense.
Randy Wells - You continue to astound me.
by DGU on Jul 1, 2009 1:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If they'd do all four of those I MIGHT be willing to MAYBE consider it.
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by Al on Jul 1, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hm, yeah, none of the above.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 1, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Juanne Pierre?
……….tells us alot about the state of the cubs when it can actually be suggested that he’s an upgrade over what we’ve got now
plus………….he still sucks!
by plenz on Jul 1, 2009 2:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
actually
I’d take him back if they were willing to accept our entire starting OF along with their contracts in return
by plenz on Jul 1, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey, no crack smoking .. children read this blog doncha know
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
by cubnational on Jul 1, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A better question...
Does any one really believe that there is one attainable player out there who can “fix” this team?
I vote no.
"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott
by Reddevil on Jul 1, 2009 2:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Barry Bonds?
He could fix ’em up real good – if ya know what I mean.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 1, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone we add is going to succomb to our suck ass state.
The problem lies with our manager and him waiting for something to happen.
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by KaliCub on Jul 1, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Craig Monroe...
released by Cleveland…Get it done Jim….
Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.
by TCobb1911 on Jul 1, 2009 3:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You forgot something
/sarcasm
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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 1, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was actually DFA'd by the Pirates.
And he was already a Cub once – for, like, an instant.
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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 1, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And we got Doug "Dirty" Deeds for him!
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by Al on Jul 1, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not just for breakfast anymore!
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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 1, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he is exactly what we need
an OF who does not walk, and can run the ball back to the infield faster than he can throw it.
wait what?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
by Cubbie-Tim on Jul 1, 2009 3:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
23 people think Juan Pierre could help this team?
23?! Really?!
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by dat cubfan daver on Jul 1, 2009 5:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh shit, that means the Cubs are voting...except for Sori and Lou. :)
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by KaliCub on Jul 1, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If anything
I would wait until he is on the bench and not as needed as he was. The Dodgers wil obviously want to give Man Ram atbats for 25.4 million. If the Dodgers eat most of his contract and do it for a cheap prospect or a couple marginal ones, make the deal
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by trademan56 on Jul 1, 2009 6:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow .... boy has this season gone south
when this actually is being even tossed out as gossip fodder
course its nothing a few brewskis at Murphy’s might get spit up ..
Well, Next Year is here .. and Jack's century's gotta end some time .. GO CUBBIES!
by cubnational on Jul 1, 2009 9:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No point on acquiring Pierre
He’ll be insignificant for the Cubs because once Reed Johnson returns, Pierre will not get any starting time in CF/RF. I also don’t think MB will not be benched by Lou since they already invested a good amount of $$$ on him.
I really want this team to shore up on the pen during midseason because without a above average-decent bullpen this team will not make the playoffs.
by Geo4MVP on Jul 1, 2009 9:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why an outfielder?

"Check the magic of a winning season and there are always reasons beyond the talent." Ned Colleti
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 1, 2009 10:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
NO!
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--Winston Churchill
by lookingdeadred on Jul 2, 2009 8:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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