Bullpen Meltdown Dooms Cubs: Heilman Awful In 8-3 Loss To Cardinals
by Al Yellon on Jul 10, 2009 6:15 PM CDT
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PrintThere's absolutely nothing good to say about the Cubs' 8-3 loss to the Cardinals this afternoon, so I'm not even going to try.
Wait. Yes, there is ONE good thing. Derrek Lee slammed a three-run homer in the fourth inning that gave the Cubs a brief 3-3 tie and some hope that even though Rich Harden had no command nor control, the Cubs might pull this one out anyway. (Harden ranked pretty high on the cliche-meter in the postgame news conference, saying all the right things about "getting them next time" but not really having any answers for why his ERA is heading toward six.)
Even after Albert Pujols poked a wind-aided HR into the CF basket in the fifth inning, the 4-3 deficit didn't seem insurmountable -- until Aaron Heilman came into the game. Really, Jim Hendry -- this was a completely worthless acquisition. Heilman simply can't throw strikes -- he issued three walks in the inning. 34 pitches, 14 strikes. That's just not major league quality. And back to Harden for a moment -- what on Earth was he doing walking Chris Carpenter? Coming into today's game, Carpenter had a lifetime BA of .097 and 8 -- EIGHT -- walks in 282 career plate appearances. How can you walk a guy like that?!?!? Just throw him strikes!
Back to the sixth inning, if you can stand it -- Alfonso Soriano made this ridiculous inning worse by calling Ryan Theriot off of a popup into short left that Theriot had a bead on, and dropping it. Oh, sure, he managed to throw to second to force a very surprised Rick Ankiel, but a run scored. No run would have scored had Theriot caught the popup -- it was too shallow. Then Heilman wild-pitched in another run.
If those two plays don't happen, maybe they get out of the inning down only 6-3 and, since it was just the top of the sixth, the Cubs could have come back. But I'm sure you have seen many times when a team plays that badly and puts up a huge deficit and it simply deflates them -- that's what happened here, as the next eight Cubs went down meekly. Carpenter struck out the side in the sixth, after having only three K's before that, and no Cub got a hit until Soriano plunked a meaningless double down the line in the eighth.
I don't know what more to say -- this team isn't that bad, but the play of certain players is mind-boggling. Could Soriano really have declined this quickly, or is he hurt? Could Harden be hurt still? He's not anything close to the lights-out guy who threw so well last summer. Could Heilman be -- OK, let's not get carried away, Heilman probably is this bad. And after putting Kosuke Fukudome in the leadoff spot for several days, Lou sat Milton Bradley today. Sure, that's fine if that's what he wanted to do, but if you are trying to establish Fukudome at leadoff, leave him there and move other players around.
Jeff Stevens made a decent ML debut, having a 1-2-3 ninth inning, though it was the bottom of the Cardinals order and it took a nice running catch by Fukudome (who made a couple of those today and who looks much better in RF than CF) on Joe Thurston's drive to do it. In the battle of the Hoffpauirs, Micah had a pinch-hit double and the Cardinals' Jarrett had a pinch-walk, but then got thrown out trying to take third base after Jeff Samardzija threw a bunt attempt away. (Maybe I should stop here.)
The game was rain-delayed for 38 minutes. This isn't an excuse, but the weather this spring and early summer has been worse than I can remember. I checked my scorecards. In addition to the three rainouts in half a season, there have been no fewer than eight other games that have had various lengths of rain delays -- 11 of the scheduled 45 home games so far (42 have been played), nearly a quarter, affected in some way by rain.
The Cubs are still looking for players. As you know, Geovany Soto was placed on the DL today and may be out a month. The Cubs put in a claim for the Phillies' Chris Coste, who was waived. Unfortunately, the Astros, who started today 1/2 game behind the Cubs and who thus were ahead of them in the claim line, also filed a claim and so Coste will become an Astro.
All the Cubs can do is try to even the series tomorrow. Until then.
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Rather have lost like this to Carpenter
Than any other pitcher on the Cardinals. I know that sounds strange to some, but our best chances to win are the next 3 games anyways.
True but we did have a shot today.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 10, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes we did
But it would have been frustrating if one of our better pitches threw a good game and then bullpen coughed up 5 runs. Whatever, at least this game didn’t happen at night so I don’t feel like I wasted a part of my weekend :)
We had a shot
after Lee’s HR.
But if you noticed, with two outs and RISP, several times – Soriano, and RJ, and I believe A-Ram, couldn’t get it done.
Same story the entire year.
They really were outplayed the entire game with a big help from Met’s reject, Aaron Heilman.
Mets fans are laughing at us now.
Met fans don't know how to laugh this year
They’re probably the only team with as high hopes as us doing worse!
We actually
Got him from the Mariners fro Ronny Cedeno, and speaking of him, the Mariners traded Yuniesky Betancourt so Cedeno can start.
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 10, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions
That .180 BA will help them
He must be there for his “glove”/
I know who we got him from
And he was also despised in New York. Which is where Seattle got him from.
No they're not.
They just traded FOR Frenchy today. He sucks a bit less than Milton Bradley and gets 500+ ABs every year, along with 152+ games played.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jul 10, 2009 9:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
What did Harden and Hill talk about?
Before Pujols led off the 5TH, they had a meeting on the mound. I can hear Hill saying “Don’t throw him a strike” but Harden still grooved one right down the middle on the second pitch. That was demoralizing after Lee’s 3-run HR.
Get 'em on, Get 'em over, Get 'em in!
This is a disgusting loss
Fukudome should be leading off, period. Enough Reed Johnson nonsense. Let him bat 7th if we have to get him in there.
Please don’t bring up the weather again, Al. The Cardinals are a warm-weather team and managed to do just fine today.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
Why WAS Cliff leading off against a righty?
That didn’t make sense when I saw it… and makes even less sense now.
I’m fine with playing him… but let Dome lead off. He’s doing fine.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
who knows, this year it seems the theme is 1 step forward, 2 steps back
wells4roty
by jesus christos on Jul 10, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Like I said, it wasn't an excuse.
I was simply making an observation that there has been a freaking lot of rain this year.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I still can't get over the idea
that we traded for Heilman on purpose!
I turned off the game when he came in and did laundry instead…
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
One bad thing about Hendry
When he’s of a mind to get somebody, regardless if said player has talent or not, he doesn’t rest until he gets his man.
I envy you
I watched Heilman, and now i still have wash to do. I should know better than to try and expect good things from H***man.
If you like Selig's handling of the steroid issue, you'll love his choice for next Cub owner.
I've never seen a more fundamentally sound team
Than the Cards.
They make up a lot of talent gaps with their intelligence.
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Cards and the Twins
both really solid on the little things.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
Nice observation...
…with the Twins it clearly starts in how they teach their young guys in the minors and I am sure much is the same with the Cards (maybe to a lessor degree).
IMO, if you have to spend a lot of time teaching major league players fundementals, you got problems.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
The Cubs clearly don't teach them well in the minors
So I guess some never learn them.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
They like tools...
…but too many of their guys lack the tool box to go along with it.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Cards are close
but clearly not on the level the Twins are as far as fundamentals. This is a team that let David Ortiz go because he didnt want to hit opposite field. Tom Kelly was a son of a bitch
I've been harping on that for a long time
It’s a constant trait of LaRussa teams… and a constant polar opposite of Cubs teams.
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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It's all LaRussa
I hate to say it, but I think if he were managing Cubs this year we’d have a better record.
I'm not sure why you hate to say it
I think most of us would agree. Lou has made a lot of, shall we say, questionable managerial decisions.
July: New month, new team
by chitownhawkeye on Jul 10, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Only hate saying it
Because it means I’m admitting the Cardinals have better management :)
truth hurts sometimes
"We got some pretty good chemistry here. We got some toughness, and it's starting to show." - Lou Pinella
You may be right...
…but I think the Cubs long track record of not being fudementally strong teams, runs deeper than the manager.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Long track record yes
But in 2009 I think LaRussa would be leading this team with 5+ more wins.
That's possible...
…and LaRussa is only one of a handful where I would say that was feasible.
No manager looks good when players aren’t performing, but LaRussa is (IMO) one of the top 2-3 in the game. I think Lou is top tier, but LaRussa is probably a notch above.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
LaRussa is a HoF manager
Piniella is not despite all his wins. There’s the difference.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
I think if he and Duncan had been managing
we’d have been to a world series in the last 60 years
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
The Cardinals are like a successful NCAA "program"
The players come and go, but they always seem to fit into the overall organizational scheme and philosophy. Sort of like Duke basketball and the Tom Osborne-coached Cornhuskers. It’s the brain trust running the program that’s responsible for their consistent success.
Perhaps...
While you can’t forsee how a team will play in October, I do believe their management could have led Cubs to more division titles.
However, I won’t be greedy, I know I’ve seen more post season appearances for the Cubs in the last 10 years than my grandfather did his entire life and I’m thankful for that.
thats absolute crap
the players are underperforming. Its true what they say, coaches get all the credit when they win and all the blame when they lose
Wow am I glad I missed this debacle today....
….and if were depending on 3 run HR’s from Lee everyday to win games, its going to be a long 2nd half.
Something has to be done about Rich Harden
He isn’t good at pitching anymore. He has always had control issues, but man something has to be done.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
Well, since Toe Man is injured and will miss multiple starts
Hard to see what can be done. You’re talking about 2/5 of our rotation being out. We don’t have the minor league talent to make up for that.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
Yeah I know
Thanks again Dempster, just walk around next time. The thing with Harden is that he is supposed to be a luxury with a backup plan. Right now he sucks and isn’t close to this “ace” that he is supposed to be.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
It's a good thing
That Rogers wanted to waive Zambrano a couple of weeks ago.
July: New month, new team
by chitownhawkeye on Jul 10, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah Phil Rogers is certainly a smart one
I think generally everybody should take what he says and do the exact opposite.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
Rogers is a fucking idiot
sorry but that is the only way to put it. Z might be a headcase, but he is the closest thing we have to a big game pitcher. Bring up the playoffs all you want but I thought he pitched very well in both of his starts. Ted Lilly is the most consistent, but if we absolutely had to win a game Zambrano would be my guy
Walk way too much for a big-game pitcher
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
I mean "walks"
"A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." -Sir Winston Churchill
"meekly" is the word I had in my head today
as I watched the Cubs go down lifelessly after Heilman’s inning. I want this club to start showing heart CONSISTENTLY. When they do, they’ve proven they can be a special team. Let’s hope today is just a blip on the radar screen and we take this series, but to be honest I’m not too optimistic based on what I’ve seen so far this season…
One more thing I must mention, and I don’t mean to stoke a fire or bring BLou back into form, but for a guy that was supposedly upset about a benching, what in the world is Soriano doing out there? Dropping the pop up aside, he looked awkward chasing Pujols’ triple in the corner, and looked to me on TV as if he was grimacing as he ran towards second on his double. I truly believe that something is bothering him, but it is his responsibility to relay that to the trainers. He is doing nothing to help this team right now.
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
Agreed.
Soriano needs to go to the DL. So does Harden, I think.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al Yellon on Jul 10, 2009 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Who are the starters at that point?
Zambrano, Lilly and Wells and then what, Stevens? Marshall? Shark? Hart?
Not good enough. Not nearly good enough.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
Al, I know you sit in that corner
but didn’t it appear to you as if Soriano ran towards that triple very, very awkwardly? and have you seen any other indications that something is bothering him? I definitely saw a face on TV as he ran towards second on his double, and it looked to me like a grimace. It also seemed to take a while for him to get to second, he should’ve been in there standing and he didn’t beat the throw by much…
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jul 10, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, I agree with you.
I’ve seen a lot of this recently — running slowly on the bases, bad jumps in the field.
I think he needs to go on the DL, as does santo4hof below.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
He looks really gimpy
I appreciate him trying to gut it out… but it might be “shut it down” time.
Even his step in the box isn’t anywhere near as big as I remember it… Sure thats not helping his hitting. Or I’m imagining things, hard to tell sometimes.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
And we can't be the only ones that notice this
so either the trainers and Lou know and aren’t saying anything, or Soriano is giving viable explanations to them. All I know is Lou keeps running him out there day in and day out, when it’s obvious to me that he’s nowhere near 100%. I think the team would be much better served playing RJ, Hoff, or Fox out there until this is done bother him though.
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jul 10, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions
*bothering
typos tend to creep into my rants. :)
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jul 10, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Thats why I'm wondering if this knee thing isn't something
permanent. I mean… he’s over 30 and signed a pro contract at 16. Thats a long time. It might be a thing he needs to just adapt to.
God I hope not, though.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
if he's torn cartilige
in his knee, it’s probably season ending.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 10, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
He could be hurt...
…and I have to admit I haven’t seen a lot of games this year. But, the other day I watched, and he didn’t seem to be laboring at all.
If he has been hurt, I don’t understand the reasoning behind not putting him on the DL, because he hasn’t hit in a long long time.
I really don’t get this one.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Unless Soriano has completely lost his abilities at age 33, and virtually overnight...
… or he’s injured.
One of those is a logical explanation and the other isn’t. DL time.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
If he were hurt
He’d be on the DL. Soto and Dempster are examples. Lou isn’t keeping anyone on there if they aren’t healthy.
and yet, the alternatives are even more scary
If he’s not hurt, then he’s either lazy, baseball-stupid, or just isn’t any good anymore. I’m sure there are nicer ways to phrase all that, but I really can’t think of any other options.
At least if he were hurt, he could get better and then hopefully get better.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
IMO...
…I would say he definately is not baseball smart and he does loaf. What I don’t know is whether he is hurt.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Problem with his loafing
If Soriano were hitting like he should, we wouldn’t care as much about the loafing. He just has to start hitting bombs again…
He jogged after the Pujols hit
into the corner. And his easy double was almost an out.
Knee?
Hammy?
Leg?
DL. Now.
Yup, I am just waiting to hear "Harden to the DL" PR....
….that one night we had our opening day lineup in place was sure nice while it lasted.
Fine but...
that’s his last excuse before the reality really sets in with even the most ardent of his supporters. This guy is in major decline. He’s an awful outfielder and becoming an all-around awful baseball player.
Who needs a stinkin' tag line? What are they for anyway?
And before somebody says "Soriano is too young to decline"
Name this former Cub LF:
- Reached MLB during Age 21 season
- 3 time all-star, 1 time MVP
Age 31: .285/.323/.468, 52 XBH, 10 GIDP
Age 32: .255/.294/.418, 52 XBH, 29! GIDP
Age 33: .217/.243/.363, 30 XBH, 14 GIDP, only played about 2/3 of the games
Age 34: out of baseball
Over the last three seasons, Fonzie’s “most similar by Age” comps at Baseball Reference are Matt Williams (essentially a part-time player by age 34), and HoJo Johnson, who as we all know “completed” his career with a .195/.330/.355 mark on the bench of the 1995 Cubs.
Answer to the question above: George Bell. Also from the Dominican Republic, for what it’s worth.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on Jul 11, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Forgot to mention
HoJo was 34 when the Cubs released him.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on Jul 11, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
I'll write this game off as most likely they weren't going to beat Carpenter anyway
3 runs was more than I expected actually. I’m glad I did miss the general sloppyness.
What to say about Harden? He’s simply not as good this year as he used to be. Seems to be a theme with the whole team outside of Lee.
no fire
Lou has lost interest is his team and he shows no fire, the other day when Dome was called out at 2nd , no emotion at all, a year or so ago he would have been out to 2nd base before Dome got to his feet…LOU MUST GO NOW
That photo sums up Soriano in LF
"You win because of the quarterback. We have to get that position stabilized. We're fixated on that." -- Jerry Angelo (12.30.2008)
Jerry Angelo trades for Jay Cutler! (4.2.2009)
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Haven't had the courage to go through them yet, but does this photo sum up the game threads?
Allie, that’s not you, is it? ;-)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
I joined at a particularly hillarious point in the GT
It was before Sori’s misplay, so people were kinda freaking out, then Heilman flaked out, and then people really went all, “RRRRRRARRRRRGHH HULK SMASH THIS TEAM, ooh, Peeps! RARGH!”
I also wanted to say thanks to those who rec’d me in the GT. That’s my first green post. Thank you!
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by Craig in South Bend on Jul 10, 2009 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions
definitely not me
i can’t even do open stairs without feeling like a panic attack…. no way in hell i’m ever stepping on something like that!
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
it's funny - glass-bottomed ledges like this are really cool to me...
…but get me on one of those spiral staircases like you see in fancy homes and I freak out.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
You would hate the one in the statue in downtown Indy.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jul 10, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't do heights
I get panicky if I’m too close to a railing. Like the clear cut outs you have on the second level of a shopping mall?
Hate those.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
Is that that new
Attraction at the Sears Tower? I want to go on that, it looks pretty cool.
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 10, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions
yes and yes it does.
The CN Tower in Toronto has an area of their observation deck where it’s a glass-bottom floor, but it’s big glass blocks and very solid looking, It’s still freaky standing on it and looking down but your safety is never in doubt.
These glass ledges at the Sears Tower though don’t look nearly as safe/solid. I’m sure they are, but when you’re up there, I’m guessing that glass looks pretty thin… Adrenaline rush!!!
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
I went on the glass-bottom floor at the CN Tower in Toronto in 2003....
… but there’s no way I’m going on one of those ledges at the Sears Tower.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
In happier news
Did you guys know Hermione is now legal???
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
i have a joke about magic potion
that is probably inappropriate for this board
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
expelliARmus.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 10, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh yes, I've known this.
I’ll link to her Letterman interview from Wednesday night; she was bloody brilliant. Held her own with Dave, who clearly has never seen Harry Potter.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jul 10, 2009 9:55 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
She is admitted into Oxford
So yes, I’d say that fine young lady is a rare combination of exceptional talent, beauty and intellect.
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
Not to mention gratuitous crotch flashing.
"You have to have short-term memory, no matter who you are in this game. There's always tomorrow." ~Derrek Lee
She's going to Columbia.
And here’s her interview with Letterman. She held her own, if not “gunned” Letterman a few times.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
I think I might be the only person
who doesn’t think Letterman is funny, at all.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
He hasn't been funny to me for a long time.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 10, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Good
b/c in my circle of friends everyone’s decided he’s hilarious.. and I don’t see it at all.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
Guess what.
I’m right there with you. Never thought he was funny — always found him pompous and mean-spirited.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Me either.
"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." ~ Frank Sinatra
No you are not
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
Well, after reading all these comments, I think I might be the only person
who thinks Letterman is funny. And a great interviewer. Sure, his laugh and other mouth noises can be annoying, and sometimes he does schtick just for schtick’s sake (which can also be annoying), but I’ve enjoyed watching him evolve & mature over the years whether he’s sharing quadruple bypass experiences with Robin Williams, putting McCain on the spot for blowing off an appearance, or cracking wise with Bud Melman, Biff Henderson, or his mother. I just think it’s a combination of comedy and insightfulness that we haven’t seen the likes of since Johnny Carson left.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jul 11, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think David Letterman is fine
I just never get a chance to watch.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 11, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Letterman is brilliant.
Jay Leno is amongst the worst of the worst. Letterman is very intelligent and is often self-deprecating to the great success of his guest. He’s an excellent interviewer.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Insightfulness?
LOL.
"You have to have short-term memory, no matter who you are in this game. There's always tomorrow." ~Derrek Lee
Bachelor party part 1 of 2 tomorrow
If they play this bad again, at least I won’t remember it…
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by Craig in South Bend on Jul 10, 2009 6:47 PM CDT reply actions
Wouldn't it be funny if Tom Hanks did Bachelor Party 2 today?
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
There already was a Bachelor Party 2
So it would have to be 3. I think it would be more sad than funny though, but he seems like a really, really on the level guy so I could see him doing it even if his career stays as strong as it is.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jul 10, 2009 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Additional thought, he could be the father of a soon to be son in law
It would be gold, Jerry, GOLD!
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by Craig in South Bend on Jul 10, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Nothing wrong with Harden
except that he’s not on the juice anymore. And before anyone calls me out…he’s from my home town, and we have mutual friends…enough said.
Should I being saying this? Probably not, but it’s the truth. I wouldn’t doubt if his name is on the list of 103 players.
I have nothing funny or creative to write.
by Canadian Cubs Fan on Jul 10, 2009 6:53 PM CDT reply actions
I'm sorry
but i’m sick of this “juice” crap everytime somebody declines in performance. The guy has lost his command so far this year, what exactly does that have to do with this rediculous accusation?
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jul 10, 2009 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm with you
I really, really can’t stand the steroid accusations. If you don’t know, then you don’t know, and you need to not be commenting on it. Someone in the thread made a comment about Pujols being popped for roids would be a good thing, and I thought that was uncalled for. It’s ridiculous.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jul 10, 2009 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't buy it.
His velocity is fine. He is always throwing to hitters at 2-0 or 3-1, His stuff is fine, throw the shit over the freaking plate.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
what's the truth?
That he’s from your home town? Ok.
That you have mutual friends? Ok.
That he’s on steroids because he’s from your home town and you have mutual friends? Sorry, that’s not enough said.
If you’re willing to proclaim that as the truth then I think you should back up that “truth” with a little more evidence. Actually, I think you shouldn’t have said anything at all, but if you’re going to come out halfway, keep coming. Let’s hear it all. And if you don’t want to tell us, then go tell the media. And give them the proof that will back up your claim. And then come back and tell us “I told you so”.
Otherwise, limit your rips to his control.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
You're totally right
I shouldn’t have written it. I was pissed off, and hit post before thinking it through.
His control sucks. :)
I have nothing funny or creative to write.
by Canadian Cubs Fan on Jul 10, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Props to you, sir, for the reply
Your explanation got me thinking about perhaps a new SBN feature – a time-delay “POST” button option. ;-)
If you (the collective you, not you personally CCF) don’t trust yourself to think things through, you turn this feature on and the next time you rip somebody a new one and hit “POST”, a little egg-timer icon appears and this calm, soothing voice (think “HAL” from “2001: A Space Odyssey”) starts talking to you. It can be pre-programmed with several messages, depending which Cub you’ve just crucified. For instance:
“Look Dave, I can see you’re really upset about this. I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill, and think things over.” (Lou)
“Just what do you think you are doing, Dave?” (Bradley)
“I’m sorry, Dave. I’m afraid I can’t do that.” (Soriano)
“Dave, this conversation can serve no purpose anymore. Goodbye.” (Hendry)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
by ballhawk on Jul 10, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
I like
except for the part where it tries to kill me
July: New month, new team
by chitownhawkeye on Jul 10, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Isn't that why you hit the "preview"
button?
It gives you a chance to re-read what you wrote.
Course the whole “I’m just venting” thing doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. It takes more than a fraction of a second to type a sentence and hit enter. If you’ve written 1 word, then maybe its venting. If you’ve written a paragraph talking about why so-and-so should DIAF… thats not venting anymore.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
Considering the list of
103 players was from 2003 and Harden was nails last year I’m not gonna buy it.
Not that its impossible or even unlikely… but I don’t think its his problem now.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
If it's true or not
Posting something like this on a Cubs fan site isn’t the smartest move.
You don’t know who might be on here reading this and what kind of detrimental affect it could. Unless you have facts to back this up, don’t post this crap.
huh?
he’s still throwing 95mph. He’s just not throwing it where he wants the ball to go.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 10, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions
You're right
I was writing that when I was pissed off. I shouldn’t have written it. If I could take it back, I would. My question is, if he’s still throwing 95, then why are people saying he should be going on the DL? Didn’t think lack of command was reason enough to go on the 15 day…
I have nothing funny or creative to write.
by Canadian Cubs Fan on Jul 10, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions
If he doesn't have control
b/c he’s compensating for an injury…
Its possible.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
I don't know if I was imagining things yesterday....
but it looks like his arm slot is a lot lower than it used to be?
You could be right – he might be adjusting his arm slot to compensate for discomfort??
Or maybe I just had too many Old Styles during the game ;-)
"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day." ~ Frank Sinatra
Too bad Houston claimed Coste
he’s a serviceable cathcer, career .282 hitter. We definitely could’ve used him for a month…
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
What else can you say.
Win 3 of 4, lose 3 of 4, sad feeling this is what the rest of the season will be.
It looked like Johnson was calling for the ball then our gold glover in left called everyone off.
Heilman is brutal. He had two decent years and now is just horrible. I remember Met fans last year just wanting to run him out of town, now I can see why.
Dome should stay in the leadoff position, that is on Lou.
Biggest start of the season and Harden comes up empty.
Funny Cubs sign Milton to hit against righthanders and good ones, and today he sits, just great. Hendrys moves this off season will go down as the worst since the refusal to sign Maddux.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
Why Why Why
Does it take Jim Hendry so long to do anything? Heilman sux. Dump him. Why do we keep running him out there over and over and over again? Why the constant lineup change every single day. Pick a lineup and stick with it already. This team is dreadful.
Go Cubs Go!!!!
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As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 10, 2009 7:00 PM CDT reply actions
She really STUCK the landing
Ahah…haha…yeah.
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by Craig in South Bend on Jul 10, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Ahhh...memories.
"Chicago baseball fans, who are composites of scar tissue and mortifying memories..." - George F. Will
Soriano just aggravates me more and more every day.
Loafed it on the Pujols triple, ball freaking bounces off of his glove in a very key situation… come on man, get your head in the damn game. I will give him credit and say that he looked much better at the plate today, and hit a couple balls hard.
Heilman is, and has been, trash.
Harden sucks. Has all year. I’m all for signing BJ Ryan, which will allow Marshall to move into the rotation and for the Cubs to make up some injury for Harden.
Ramirez looked sloppy at 3B today too.
I can't help but wonder...
…What if this is as good as it gets?
"You have to have short-term memory, no matter who you are in this game. There's always tomorrow." ~Derrek Lee
does that mean we're no longer in the [helen] hunt?
dreamy vixen-like picture of Helen Hunt omitted to placate cubsluver22 even though it’s only 21K. Click here instead. (SFW)
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
This
is Buckman.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 10, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions
the headline is pretty deceptive
in terms of why we really lost. Even if the bullpen didn’t give up a single run we still would have lost 4-3, so I fail to see how the bullpen doomed the Cubs today. It was, as it always has been this year, the terrible offense which by my count has managed to score in 5 of the last 37 innings they have played, barely better than 1 inning per game where we have scored runs. The bullpen was BAD, but it had nothing to do with why we lost. You can play the “well if we were only down by a run the Cubs offense might have mustered something” game until the cows come home, but it is all conjecture.
Little different
ballgame when down 1 run instead of 5, you the play the game different. I am sure if you ever played being down 1 run instead of 5 your approach is different, your natural outlook is different, the momentum of the game is different, no conjecture, just how the game flows.
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
that and losing 8-3 looks a whole lot worse than losing 4-3
wells4roty
by jesus christos on Jul 10, 2009 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Getting beat....
is getting beat…….4-3, 9-3, 16-3……..BUT to put it all on OldStyle isn’t fair…yea…he had a bad game when the Cubs needed it most….BUT who/what facet of this team does that not apply to?
This team is severly offensively challenged. They have no idea (cept HR) how to get guys across the plate to score.
The Pen…is pretty bad. That said…OldStyle is one of the big enigmas…..he holds well quite often….just…when you need him most…he completely implodes….
The OFFENSE….needs to score….PERIOD.
AND THE PITCHING STAFF NEEDS TO QUIT GIVING UP SO MANY FREE PASSES…(and throwing so many pitches)
Frankly..they 15th best offense in the league…is going to have a lot of exposed flaws in the dregs of their pitching staff.
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
Things that need to happen:
1. Soriano DL
2. Fuld re-called, play left field permanently until Soriano feels healthy and really to play real ball
3. Harden DL
4. Rotation for near future: Zambrano, Marshall, Lilly, Wells, Hart (but i prefer signing a free agent/trade)
5. Trade Heilman, he does absoultely nothing for this team, he walks too many batters,
6. Sign Toby Hall, Javier Valentin, or Johnny Estrada and put as your full time catcher until Soto gets back.
7. Fukudome vs. RHP, Johnson vs. LHP
8. Bradley plays RF every single day
9. Send Fontenot down to Iowa, Blanco plays 2B vs. RHP, Baker vs. LHP
My lineup looks like this:
Fuld
Theriot
Lee
Ramirez
Bradley
Fukudome
Free agent catcher
Blanco
Pitcher
Now, those are my thoughts. Agree or disagree.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
I like all of your thoughts
except for 8. I’d rather see Fox or Hoff in RF, but certainly don’t want Bradley playing every day.
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jul 10, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fuld rather than Fox?
Strongly disagree
Is Estrada really a FA? Haven’t followed his career too closely, but that’s a big surprise.
There's one more FA catcher option.
Paul LoDuca.
Discuss.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
At this point, probably not much.
… considering no one signed him in the offseason.
He’s 37, probably not with much left, but likely worth a flyer. (He’s only a year older than Chris Coste, who the Cubs wanted to claim on waivers today.)
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
that's why i don't really like Lo Duca as the catcher. He didn't really have anything last year.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 10, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Eh.
He’s got to be better than any of our minor league options. Or Fox.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Isn't there another Molina brother out there somewhere that we can sign?
Of course, when Lilly pitches, Hill would have to be behind the plate. The temptation would be too great, even for Ted…
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
99MPH heater at molinas head
cant risk it
wells4roty
by jesus christos on Jul 10, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions
true
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 10, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions
if the Cubs really wanted to go old school, Henry Blanco should be available
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 10, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Perfect.
He’ll fit right in.
"You have to have short-term memory, no matter who you are in this game. There's always tomorrow." ~Derrek Lee
by Goodie1969 on Jul 10, 2009 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm leaning towards Javier Valentin
but LoDuca wouldn’t be a bad third option. I’d put Estrada slightly ahead of him.
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jul 10, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions
LoDuca
Now here is a guy that whose career truly was the product of PEDs.
For once, this is not malicious rumor, this is documented fact. Once he went off the juice, his career disappeared. And that is why nobody signed him. Neither will the Cubs.
Chris Synder in Arizona, maybe?
they’re pretty much out of it…i’m sure they’d be willing to trade for some minor league talent.
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jul 10, 2009 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Chris Snyder
is on the DL and word is he won’t be ready for a rehab assignment until well after the All Star Break.
Chris is solid defensively, but has been struggling offensively this year. The way things are shaping up here in Phoenix, he may well be available for a trade before the deadline, but I’m not sure it will be in time to help the Cubs.
didn't know that
thank you! I’ve always been impressed with him…
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jul 10, 2009 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Paul LoDuca
is the name of a Chicago restaurateur; he owns Vinci and Adobo Grill. And the head chef at Adobo Grill is named Freddy Sanchez. I kid you not.
Can anyone at Adobo Grill pitch?
We could use the bullpen help.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I hate to say it
but today is the first time I felt this team has no realistic shot at the postseason. There are only 79 games left and this team still shows no discipline, heart, or talent that leads me to believe we are going to meet any of the preseason expectations. I agree that nothing is amust win in july, but winning 2 of the next 3 seems incredibly important from my perspective
Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
Enuff Said ---
The comments about Heilman have been ringing in this blog for almost the entire season. Some have commented about his good outings — far and few between.
Bottom line — the Mets got rid of him after his horrendous ‘08 campaign. Seattle took him off their hands. Then the Cubs accommodated the Mariners and took him off their hands. This guy is nothing but a clone of Bobby Howry. A straight as an arrow fastball that every batter waits for because he can’t get his breaking ball over the plate.
For crying out loud — cut bait and get rid of him !!!
What’s even worse is Lou trotting him out there in a one run game !!! Then he sits on his hands and lets the game get completely out of hand.
As for Soriano — I really do not care if he is hurt or not. He is absolutely awful right now in the field.
Lenny kept going on about how Pujols is such an excellent base runner. Maybe so — but watching anything hit in Soriano’s direction would make Hector Villeanueava look like Ricky Henderson on the bases. Soriano jogs after everything that is in front, to the right, or to the left of him.
And on the pop fly that Soriano called off Theriot — what the hell was Johnson doing ??
Soriano is cutting to his left and has no momentum to home — Theriot has his back to the plate and could never turn and throw. Johnson should have taken charge and would have been in an ideal position to throw to home. Just brutal fielding.
Right now — just really fed up with Lou just sitting and watching Heilman trudge through that inning. I just wanted to reach out and slap him — wake up and smell the cofee !!
If he can’t figure it out, maybe he should be be back in Tampa rolling cigars.
This game was winnable until Lou decided to trot Heilman out to the mound. That guy has absolutely no business coming out of the pen for the Cubs or any other supposedly contending team.
I am with you
It seems Lou just says “screw it, I did my best and he failed” I more and more feel Lou needs to go.
And I love the Hector Villeanueava reference!!
"Have You heard of the Boom on Mizar 5?"
This sums up
Heilman perfectly.
While sitting there watching him face a LH hitter today, I wondered aloud to my friend, “Is Lou sticking it up Hendry’s ass?” Like, “See Jim!” “This is the crap you gave me!”
Or – he is just plain stupid.
Or – he realized the game was over, and wanted to save the pen for three more games. I don’t think this holds much merit with the ASG, tho.
Considering that two of the next three are on the same day
he was very likely letting Old Style take one for the team. I’d like to think that he was trying to stick it to Hendry a little bit, though. That makes it at least a little funny. At this point, laughter is all we’ve got left.
"You have to have short-term memory, no matter who you are in this game. There's always tomorrow." ~Derrek Lee
If I were lou I would throw....
Hendry in front of the bus too……
I despise Hendry….but Lou isn’t any einstine either…..Cubs are the Yankee’s of the NL…all the financial resources….but terrible decisions/mismanagement…….SEE EPSTINE/BOSTON RED SOX
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
IMPORTANT WEEKEND SERIES......
Well so far todays game was a disaster . There are three more games left with St. Louis I dread to think of the results if things don’t change quick. It appears Lou is in some other world . Offense, Defense, Bullpen what else can go so wrong ???
A name that i find very interesting, could be a good fit in the pen instead of heilman
Rafael Betancourt, makes about 3.5 mi this year.
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
wasn't he traded today??
Go Cubs Go!!!!
by cubsluver22 on Jul 10, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Yuniesky Betancourt was traded yesterday
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 11, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Did Lou say anything in his postgame conference?
“What can I say ….” i hope not….
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
POSTGAME....
Did not see it yet maybe it will be on the 9 pm news. Will be more of the same ." What can I say baseball is a funny game you know ."
Look, sir
what can i say? We gotta swing the bats. Look, we had chances. And after, uh, Derrek, hit the homer, the home run, we were feeling pretty good. But look (throws hands up), baseball is a funny game, what can you do?
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jul 10, 2009 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess I don't know
exactly what you guys want him to do. He can yell at them. He can encourage them. He can be stern with them.
He can’t field the ball for them.
He can’t hit the ball for them.
He can’t pitch the ball for them.
I say, let’s go get ’em tomorrow.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 10, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I love Lou, Drew...I really do
but he really hasn’t shown he has control of this team. he has Soriano complaining to the media about being benched for a day, he had a blowup with MB, and he’s made jabs at Von Joshua in press conferences. Lou is the skipper, and maybe I’m old school for my young age, but I believe that the manager is the boss and whatever he says, goes. IMHO, he needs to show this team that he’s the boss, and if they don’t like it then too bad.
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jul 10, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with that.
He doesn’t have the team under control. No, he can’t get the hits when they matter and he can’t execute the pitches. But this team, aside from the 2004 team, is as big a mess as I’ve ever seen.
I agree with both of you.
This isn’t the take-charge Lou we saw the last two years. I’m not quite sure who’s managing this team.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I respect his career
tremendously, but I will be happy if he retires after this year.
Yeah, I want the old Lou back.
The guy in the dugout now reminds me of Dusty, and that’s not good.
Hey Lou, we're long overdue.
by deadcatbounce on Jul 11, 2009 7:19 AM CDT up reply actions
again
what exactly is he supposed to do?
I’m not being snarky. I’m asking.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 10, 2009 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions
well, first let me say that's it not so much what should he do now
as opposed to what he should’ve already done. But I definitely would’ve liked to see him have a talk with Sori about his comments to the media. And to be fair, he very well may have for all we know. But I think it’s summed up best by the little incident with MB at the Cell a couple of weeks ago. Lou saw him throw his equipment, said that’s enough, and told him to take a shower and go home. In the postgame, his comments were as follows (and I’m paraphrasing): “look, i’m not into discipline. I’m really not. I’m going to write his name in the lineup tomorrow and that’s that.” NO, that shouldn’t have “been that”. Lou shouldn’t have called him a “P.O.S.” as he allegedly did, and he should’ve disciplined Bradley. That’s just one example, but these things have a tendency to snowball. Other players see these things, and it’s become a damaging cycle, imho.
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jul 10, 2009 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Bench Sori
Not a day, not 2. For a week. And call it what it is when asked. He’s not helping the team, so he’s going to sit for a while.
I’m not saying that will fix anything, much less everything, but I have the feeling that he’s stuck with these players, and has no interest in fighting with them any more.
I don’t know. There have just been so many fundamental errors, so much poor plate discipline…I guess what I’d like to see him do is something definative. It took this long just to get a new lead off hitter, so what I’d like to see is for him to say that this isn’t working, so we’re going to try something new. Sori isn’t the only issue, but he’s an easy target right now.
July: New month, new team
by chitownhawkeye on Jul 10, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions
It's all perception...
…and when a team is not going well, I don’t know of too many managers who look good.
With that said, Lou does appear to be a little disinterested at times. I don’t know whether that is because he is making a concerted effort to be more calm, but I understand why people are wondering what is going through his mind.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Time was when you could bench a guy who didn't perform
but those days went out with the Seitz Ruling in 1975. If somehow Lou could get away with sitting some of the millionaires and play the Fulds and Hoffpaiurs on a regular basis, I’d be all for that.
I have a feeling that what we saw today is the beginning of the end
It’s not that I mind losing to a great pitcher like Carpenter; it’s HOW we lost and how unforgiveably sloppy we looked. This is not a team that’s getting into postseason.
The Bears can’t start training camp soon enough for me.
From the desk of Alfonso Soriano
Dear Albert:
Please be advised that I require 24 hour advance notice of intention to hit a line drive to left field. I wasn’t ready to play left field today and you embarassed me.
Regards,
Alfonso Soriano
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
by BLou on Jul 10, 2009 9:44 PM CDT reply actions 7 recs
As much crap as I give you
this actually made me chuckle.
Well done, Blou.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
Pretty damn funny!
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Season has been over for 6 weeks
This is a 79 win ballclub that might get to 83 wins. Regardless, it will not make the playoffs.
The silver lining is that this colossal failure of a season will indeed result in Tom Ricketts cleaning house in the front office. Then a real rebuilding program can happen as we wait for all this God awful contracts to unwind.
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
Rediculous.
We are 2 games back in the loss column.
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jul 10, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Stick a fork in this team
I’m not going to argue with you. This has been a dead listless ballclub for weeks. Jim Hendry spent his way into a hole that can’t be climbed out. The sobering thing is an extreme rebuilding job is in order for his successor. It’s going to be several years before the Cubs are once again back into contention status. HOPEFULLY.
Yes, I concede the NL Central to the St. Louis Cardinals or Milwaukee Brewers or Cincinnati Reds. Cubs will finish the season in 3rd or 4th place. I don’t like saying that, but I shall not let my heart overrule my head.
As a great old Cub fan said tonight on WGN Radio this 2009 team is the most unlikeable and thoroughly dislikable groups in franchise history. I happen to agree completely. I hate this current team. And I know I’m not alone in that sentiment.
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
I'm not asking you to argue
and I understand everything you said. But to say that this season was over 6 weeks ago is absolutely ridiculous. This division is still very winable. Not saying it’s going to happen, or even that I think it’s going to happen, but I’m not so willing to throw in the towel just yet. And as for not being in contention for the next several years, I couldn’t disagree with you more.
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jul 10, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I do not care one iota about the mathematical reality that says the Cubs are 2 games out
I am entitled to my opinion.
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
You absolutely are.
And, I respect your opinion. I am also entitled to mine, and as I listen to yours I’d appreciate you listening to mine.
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jul 10, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
respecting his opinion is
like respecting a piece of shit. We are all entitled to one but his are better off flushed and erased from the memory
the fact that you choose to completley ignore math and numbers shocks no one.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 10, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm funny that way
And to think I have an undergraduate and masters degree in finance of all things.
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
No wonder the economy is in the shape it's in.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 10, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Ben Bernacke is a sabermagician?
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
You just said
a couple days ago it was a .500 team to 85 wins, didn’t you?? Which is it?
3rd or 4th place and 79 to 83 wins
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
17th or 30th place and 26 to - 9 wins
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 10, 2009 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, then go game-to-game
with a new prediction cause it seems to me you keep changing your predictions.
Heavens to mergatroid
I changed the “upper range” from 85 wins to 83 wins. So friggin shoot me.
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
bang!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 10, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Crikey!
you forgot Crikey!
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jul 10, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Guess Hack Record Prognosticator!
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 10, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Did you intend to go to Vegas pending my prediction?!?
WTF. It’s a MESSAGE BOARD Francis. Lighten up.
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
that's some irony
right there.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 10, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you should flag my use of WTF, don't you??
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
Baseball Prospectus simulation odds
After 10k simulations of the rest of the schedule, they have the Cubs and Brewers most likely fighting it out for 2nd.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/ps_odds.php
They think 87-88 wins is going to be necessary to win the division. That means going 46-33 the rest of the way. The model is subject to a bit of fluxuation on the odds at any particular point in time for any team, but by now they’re usually pretty accurate on how many wins it is going to take to win each division, and less accurate on the wild card.
I think the only way the Cubs can possibly win the division is if going 44-35 and getting to 85 wins can get them into a one-game playoff. And with the current batch of injuries to Soto and Dempster, and Soriano, Bradley, and Harden all playing awful, I don’t think they can go 44-35.
It's a simple question, Doctor: would you eat the moon if it were made of ribs??
by Invalid User on Jul 11, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I think even if we make the playoffs
we’re not a good team.
I also cannot believe we traded for Aaron Heilman on purpose. Really, Jim?
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
We're not making the playoffs...
…because we’re not a good team. It’s as simple as that.
by bluekoolaide on Jul 10, 2009 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
We could
the division isn’t exactly overwhelming.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
Yeah...
teams with so-so records in the playoffs NEVER do well.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 10, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah
exactly. it’s not like the Cards won the world series after 83 wins or anything…
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jul 10, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Here
Cub teams with so-so records in the playoffs NEVER do well.
Fixed that for you.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
How about
Cub teamswith so-so recordsin the playoffs NEVER do well.
Fixed it even more.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 10, 2009 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh...sortha like last years NL's best record team...
had a stellar showing?
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
It's possible...
…and I’m thinking 85-88 wins will take the division. To do that, the Cubs will have to put together a decent run at some point. The question is whether they be consistant enough to do that.
At this point, they haven’t shown that and I don’t know if they ever will.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
They've shown the pitching to do that
2 of the big guns start hitting (it doesn’t even matter which two, but I think 2 gets the role players going) and we could reel off a streak of 14 out of 16 wins.
I think it could happen… I don’t know how likely it is, though.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
I'll bet right now...
a case of oldstyle and a bag of white castles…….it takes 89+ to win the NL Central…and bout the same (89+) to get the wild card.
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
From what I have seen...
…that would surprise me, but you may be right.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
are you done being served
or do you want cake?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 10, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll say one thing
You might be a goofy son of a bitch, but at least you provide high entertainment. lol.
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
funny
I wish I could say the same thing about you.
The Cubs looked bad today. It’s true. But Soriano is starting to put the bat on the ball. So is Bradley. In fact, if your boy Rich Harden hadn’t utterly screwed the pooch today, we could have had a completely different result.
This team is two games back in the loss column. 85 wins can take this division. We contend.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 10, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Anyone been to Deerfield Illinois?
They said the only way to make that downtown nice was to blow it up and that’s pretty much what they did.
If this team doesn’t click anymore, it might have to happen.
But I believe that they can gel together once All Star Break is over. Sorry, I just don’t give up until they have an E next to their record.
Funny thing...
After getting frothily booed after his dropped ball while coming to the plate, Sori then hits a double and the crowd cheers!
Aaron Heilman was the most hated New York Met in 2007 and 2008
Why therefore did Jim Hendry have long-standing interest for this stiff. Why? This is yet another example of just how totally and completely in over his head Jim Hendry has really been.
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
+10000000
I’ll never understand that.
And worse, I hate that I actually thought he was pitching well last month.
actually
up until yesterday, he’d been doing fairly well.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 11, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
I know he had
That’s the bad part. I disliked him so much from the signing that even I was admitting he could be used in games.
I blame Heilman's woes on Yadier freaking Molina.
He’s never been the same after that HR he gave up to him in the 2006 NLCS. (just thinking about that series makes me want to throw things; I’ll never get over suffering through the Deadbirds winning a World Series.)
As a longtime fan of Heilman (from watching the Mets for a long time, even though I don’t root for them; also, he’s a fantastic human being, if not such a great pitcher), I wish he’d stayed in Seattle instead of being flipped to the Cubs; it would have allowed him to regain his confidence.
I’m really happy about D-Lee’s resurgence lately. As for Soriano, I’m just going to bite my tongue.
I know how unpopular this is going to be...
but at this point I’d have to seriously consider trading Lee if the right deal came along. Might as well start the rebuilding process asap.
by bluekoolaide on Jul 10, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
San Francisco would have DEFINITE interest
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
Do you know what a no trade clause is?
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jul 10, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Blou doesn't care one iota about NTCs he's entitled to his opinion.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 10, 2009 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Lee is from northern California
He’d waive that no trade to get out of Chicago and go to a San Francisco. His no trade clause won’t get in the way of something like that. The Angels are another team to consider.
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
The giants have ishikawa
and Sandoval who can play first (both young up and comers). They also have Rich Aurilia. So why in the hell would they want to trade for Derrek Lee?
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jul 10, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
They would also have to GIVE US something of value for him....
and he’s about to enter the twilight of his career.
As I've told you before, I never repeat myself.
by santoswoodenlegs on Jul 10, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Obviously they wouldn't be trading for Lee as a long term solution...
…but as a guy who could help them right now.
by bluekoolaide on Jul 10, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Giants farm system is ranked among the best and deepest in baseball right now
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
Sandoval is a mini Albert Pujols in the making and entrenched at 3rd base
Ishikawa is a dud at 1st base. Rich Aurilia is older than dirt. Giants are a bat or two away from being a very serious NL playoff team.
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
ishikawa
is hitting .273 with 9 hr’s. far from a dude, if you ask me. He’s also young, DLee is entering the twilight of his career as SWL said above. I’m sorry, but I don’t see why SF would make this trade, even if the Cubs wanted to trade him (not smart) and he waived his NTC (not going to happen).
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jul 10, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
How do you know he wouldn't waive it?
I mean, to go from the Cubs to a team in serious pennant contention? That has to at least tempt him.
by bluekoolaide on Jul 10, 2009 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions
he's already on a team in contention
honestly.
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jul 10, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions
The only reason he's in contention is because
up until now, no team has taken command. With the injuries and subpar years mounting, I don’t think the Cubs are going to stay in contention much longer.
by bluekoolaide on Jul 10, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions
and what makes you think
DLee shares this opinion?
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jul 10, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Probably because he's a veteran and a professional
He must see how deeply flawed this team is and then add on the injuries, etc., and it’s not a pretty picture.
by bluekoolaide on Jul 10, 2009 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions
You do realize
that if DLee really feels this way (or any current Cub, for that matter) that this is exactly what we complain about as fans? “the team doesn’t care”, “they’re lifeless”, “they’ve given up”. I simply can’t believe that any of the current Cubs feel like the division is not winnable. I hope that I’m right about this…
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jul 10, 2009 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope you're right too
But everything I’m seeing tells me the opposite.
by bluekoolaide on Jul 10, 2009 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions
What doesn't bode well...
…is the fact that one of the team’s leaders – DLee, wasn’t able to help bring the offense to life with his recent hot streak.
To me, that’s a bad sign and I hope I am wrong.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
it's like a manual transmission
that’s sputtering. We just need to figure out how to pop the clutch.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 10, 2009 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions
the Cubs
ARE in contention.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 10, 2009 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions
who cares WHY?
what matters is that they ARE. If they can get it together, and go on a tear of even 15-7, that could net them first place.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 10, 2009 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jul 10, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions
if
starting to. maybe. hopefully. might. am I leaving any out?
Go Cubs Go!!!!
by cubsluver22 on Jul 10, 2009 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions
and what should we do?
give up? Sorry. That’s not me.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 10, 2009 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Not me either
but it comes a time when reality needs to set in. As much as i hate it reality is on my doorstep.
Go Cubs Go!!!!
by cubsluver22 on Jul 10, 2009 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions
not till
we’re mathematically eliminated. We could have to win 20 in a row to get the wild card, and I would still believe.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 10, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
This from the same screwball that thinks Sammy is an innocent man
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
by BLou on Jul 10, 2009 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thats exactly why
the Cubs can do w/e they want because people like us will continue to shell out endless amounts of money to follow them.
Go Cubs Go!!!!
by cubsluver22 on Jul 10, 2009 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions
what money?
I get the radio for the cost of electricity. I get four different channels that show Cubs games as part of my cable package. I pay very little to follow the Cubs. I did get tickets to a game, and if I’m lucky, I’ll get to go to two, maybe three more games this year. But in the grand scheme of things, I pay way more in gasoline to get to work then I do on the Cubs.
And what exactly do you think it is that they’re doing? Do you think they LIKE to play poorly? Not for a second.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 10, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Must be really nice not to have that little voice
telling you its time to give up for the year.
I’m not there yet… but too many more games like this and I may be.
I like you Drew, but your hectoring of everyone for expressing doubt is getting really tiresome.
We’re not all you.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
by Allie on Jul 10, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
no, we're not.
But I’m not hectoring anyone. I simply hate to see people give up, and even more so, I hate to see people try to talk OTHER people into giving up.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 10, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions
well said, Drew
and you know that we don’t always agree. But you’re absolutely right about this one. Everybody is entitled to their opinion, but I don’t like hearing others’ preach that we should all give up on this team. Not for a second.
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jul 10, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Read your stuff
just as it appears.
Everything you’ve written for the last few days has had an annoying “the sun’ll come up tomorrow” ring to it.
Which is fine, usually. But EVERY comment doubting the Cubs doesn’t need it. Nor is “So, what? You’d give up? Not me! I”m here to win".
Thats great… I doubt really anyone here WANTS the Cubs to lose.
Combating every comment with shiny-happy cheer isn’t doing helping.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
yabbut
come on Allie, I think Drew’s comments are coming off like that because of how negative the others are. I don’t think Drew is saying for a second that there’s nothing wrong with this team. But, realistically, we are TWO DAYS away from being 1.5 games out of first place. There’s no reason to not be optimistic.
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jul 10, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Allie
I’ve actually been letting the lion’s-share of posts go by.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 10, 2009 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Allie
I’ve actually been letting the lion’s-share of posts go by.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 10, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Come on Drew...
Have you honestly seen anything in this team that says they’re capable of going on any kind of a tear?
Now we have one of our main starters out…we’re missing our starting catcher….sorry, but I can’t be at all optimistic
by bluekoolaide on Jul 10, 2009 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Sure.
Bradley is a better hitter then this.
Soriano is a better hitter then this.
Fontenot is a better hitter then this.
Rami is less than a week off the DL.
It’s not going to be a walk in the park, but if they can get it together, they can grit this out.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 10, 2009 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Fontenot is exactly the hitter he’s shown to be this year. Bradley has had seasons like this. Soriano is really the only one whose performance has come out of nowhere
by WanderingWanderer on Jul 11, 2009 9:20 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Sure that's possible...
…but the way they have looked, they could very well lose 10 of their next 15 after having a good streak.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
absolutely.
This is a frustrating, on and off season. But I’ll believe we have a chance till we don’t.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 10, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Would they actually do that this year, even if he was amenable to waiving his NTC?
by owllover711 on Jul 10, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Getting him to publicly
waive his NTC would be a white flag… and might even be the signal of blow up start over phase 1.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
It would definitely be a white flag
but, under the circumstances, that might not be such a bad thing.
by bluekoolaide on Jul 10, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions
I forgot to add:
A loss like today’s is made infinitely more painful by being a loss to the Deadbirds. I loathe, detest, despise and abhor that miserable abomination of a team. Losing to them gives me hives and indigestion, especially when Pujols has a central part in it.
I’m glad I can vent a little about that here, since I’m the only Cubs fan in my immediate vicinity and none of my family or friends get the Cubs-Deadbirds rivalry.
by owllover711 on Jul 10, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Honestly I'd rather StL wins the division than Milwaukee
At least the Cards aren’t a bunch of young smart-asses who worry as much about looking and acting cool as they do about winning.
While I'm no fan of Ryan Braun and his antics,
I still would prefer seeing the Brewers win over the Deadbirds. I think Brewers fans would stop hating us if they won a WS in the near future; Deadbirds fans will never let up even if they won 50 of them in the next century (God forbid!).
by owllover711 on Jul 10, 2009 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Could be worse - you could be a Tigers fan like me
Why the hell Detroit’s pitching staff suddenly decided to throw the ball away during the World Series is beyond me. They win in six without making all those errors.
Believe it or not, I am a Tigers fan.
I lived in Oakland County for part of 2003 and 2004 and came to adopt the Tigers as my second AL team by 2006. That WS was doubly painful!
Yeah, the pitching meltdown was totally astounding; especially Verlander.
by owllover711 on Jul 10, 2009 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Haha
You admitted you like Heilman.
Sorry, I don’t think there’s a fan club for him but I’m sure if there was you’d be member #1.
LOL, that's ok.
A Mets friend of mine is also a fan of his. More of the person than the pitcher, though; apparently he’s an incredibly nice guy. I figure we’re the only two fans of his left on the planet.
June 1st I was
feeling the Cubs were not going to be in it.
Not Bruce Froemming talked me off the ledge as it really is a long season.
When they get to 9 out – which is entirely possible – and they have too many teams to climb over – then I will agree the season is toast. But they are not there yet. It is however, really maddening to watch their offfense become worst in the NL in one year.
I am very jealous of the Cards small ball/long ball lineup.
Brendan Ryan even bunted successfully with two strikes today.
That's what depressed me the most today...
Seeing a team as fundamentally sound as the Cardinals and comparing them to the mess we have here just underlines the fact that we’re going nowhere.
by bluekoolaide on Jul 10, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep...
Cardinals in the NL, and the Twins in the AL. Two solid, winning organizations.
And they make it look so easy...
That’s why we have to hope against hope that the new owner will copletely clean house and bring a new organizational philosophy to the Cubs.
They just need to find the right guy to oversee it. Like I’ve said before, it’s too bad Dallas Green isn’t ten years younger.
by bluekoolaide on Jul 10, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope we can raid the BoSox organization
they’ve really turned it around… I’d like to see us do that.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
It's funny...
Many people figured the Twins taking Mauer #1 was a terrible decision. Would the Cubs have grabbed Mauer at #2 should the Twins have taken Prior #1?
Probably not...
The cubs can usually be depended on to do the wrong thing in the first round of a draft. It’s almost like Jerry Angelo’s calling the shots for them too.
by bluekoolaide on Jul 10, 2009 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Well said...
We know how good the Cubs are when it comes to evaluating young talent
Soto
Marmol
Theriot
Marshall
Wells
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 10, 2009 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
None of them first rounders...
…hence the Jerry Angelo/Bears comparison.
by bluekoolaide on Jul 10, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
but all
picked up by the Cubs. Pujols was picked in the teens, wasn’t he?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 10, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions
The question was about the Cubs picking in the first round
Not an overview of their (or other teams’) drafting history.
by bluekoolaide on Jul 10, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions
The comment I responded to was
We know how good the Cubs are when it comes to evaluating young talent
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 10, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions
The comment I responded to was
We know how good the Cubs are when it comes to evaluating young talent
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 10, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions
True
but the number of first rounders who are actual slam dunks is low.
Fontenot was a 1st round pick. See how well that worked out?
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
You guys with the "clean house"
mantra – HENDRY BURIED US with shit contracts that would result in tremendous financial loss.
Soriano, Fukudome, and Bradley!
Not to mention Dempster got an amazing deal off his career best year that we will be regretting.
The team cannot “clean house” for a number of years. We are Stuck as far as I can see it.
Reply uses a "sequence order"
so sometimes when one replies, it does not appear right under a comment.
?
I hit reply to your message right here. Click UP on your comment and you’ll see it goes to Allie’s comment.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 10, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions
If this team fails to win anything...
…and the window is closing fast, your comments could make things very difficult (and expensive) for the next GM and owner.
They will clearly have to eat a lot of money to rid themselves of some of this mess.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Over Hendry's tenure...
…which goes all the way back to his days as director of player development (1994), their problem has been position player development.
In that 15 year span, it has been absolutely woeful. Pitchers are easier to scout than position players, and easier to project. The lack of position player development has forced them to overspend and take risks which could put them in a very tough spot if they don’t turn it around.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I can agree with the general sentiment.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 10, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions
For that matter....
How many are scattered about the league (ooopppss…I mean the Marlin org)
Doing things???
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
kemp just hit a grand slam
12-6
wells4roty
by jesus christos on Jul 10, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Braves picked up
Ryan Church – has this been mentioned?
In this particular thread?
I don’t think so… but its gotten posted as a fanshot.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
see fanshots
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jul 10, 2009 10:11 PM CDT reply actions
sorry, meant to be a reply above
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jul 10, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Ted Lilly pitching tomorrow...
But St. Louis has some guy who I’ve never hear of, so I’m thinking his line will be 7 innings, 4 hits, 8 K’s 0 runs.
The Cubs are in a horrible position right now. No owner, backloaded contracts tying down the team, a GM who hands out no trade clauses like free samples, and very, very few, if any, blue-chip prospects. I know that there’s Vitters, but I’ll hold judgement.
Gotta give Hendry credit....
no matter how much I despise him….he knew how to take the money and run.
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
Considering the new owner...
…will probably be eating a lot of dough (to get rid of aging players with no-trade clauses), he mine as well have to eat the last 3 years of Hendry’s deal as well.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Runs
Today’s game was an example of what happens when Cub pitching doesn’t come through. Before today, at 41-41, who scored more runs – the Cubs or the opposing teams? Answer: the Cubs by a slight margin of 2 runs. Over the last 10 games, including today’s, the Cubs went 5-5 and who scored the most runs? Answer: the opposition by a margin of 5 runs. That’s because the last time Harden pitched the Brewers scored 7 runs in his 2 innings of work and the Brewers beat the Cubs 11-2.
I think they might be as well off or better trading Harden if they can. With Hart needed in the rotation till Dempster is back, they might be short in the bullpen without Heilman. So, pitch Heilman in blowout situations and not before. Heilman is getting more respect than he deserves.
They also have to play Fox because he is most likely to provide some power lacking when Soriano and Ramirez and Soto aren’t slugging. Fox has so far had a decent OBP. Fox won’t be that much worse in LF. Give Ramirez a week after the all-star break to start hitting with some authority and field his position better. Play Fox in LF, or later at 3B if necessary. Sit Soriano. To make a run for the division, they can’t wait around for Soriano or go with low OBP players. Losing Soto is bad, but if he is going to be on the DL for 15 days I wouldn’t go through the trouble of bringing in another catcher. Try to trade Bradley. He isn’t right for the middle of the Cub lineup and there aren’t enough places in the lower half of the lineup to put everybody there. Go with Lee/Ramirez or Lee/Fox hitting in the 3-4 spots.
Entertainment alert !!!
This should get good now because Drewish has joined the party !!!! I’m in need of a laugh.
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
The telltale sign that this team is toast???
The starting pitching. Fact is the Cubs have had remarkably good starting pitching for months, BUT WEREN’T ABLE TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT IN THE STANDINGS. Any of you who have played or followed baseball over the years understand that the worst thing that can kill a season is not seizing upon good starting pitching when it happens.
And that is PRECISELY what has happened to this Cub team.
It’s been over for 6 weeks folks.
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
again, ridiculous.
how you can call it “over” when we are 2 games back in the loss column is beyond me. Even for you, BLou, I don’t understand how you can justify that statement.
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jul 10, 2009 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions
For me it's not so much where they are in the loss column as it is...
…how badly they’re playing. Then you stack them up against a great fundamental team like the Cardinals and it’s very hard to find something to be optimistic about.
by bluekoolaide on Jul 10, 2009 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions
And see, I can understand somebody saying
that they don’t feel like the team is going to win the division. That I can see. But, to say the season wsa over 6 weeks ago is simply not true no matter which way you slice it.
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jul 10, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Sadly I agree...
I really hope I’m wrong. Although, this could save the pain of watching another playoff sweep.
Right. At least the Cubs are breaking our hearts early this year
..and are seeing that we’re not distracted from watching Jay Cutler lead the Bears to the Super Bowl!
by bluekoolaide on Jul 10, 2009 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions
On a side note...
What’s been the worst Cubs off-season move so far?
Replacing Kerry Wood with Kevin Gregg, and trading Jose Ceda for that matter
Trading for Aaron Heilman
Joey Gathright
Aaron Miles
Resigning Dempster for $52 million!!!
Picking up Harden’s 7 million (I believe) option
Signing Milton Bradley 30 million
Trading DeRosa
Too many bad off-season moves to really pick just one
I will, however, give Hendry a pass on Kevin Gregg for Kerry Wood (Gregg’s been okay for us and Wood has been brutal in Cleveland-and a lot more expensive too).
by bluekoolaide on Jul 10, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Sadly - rephrase
What single “move” that Jim Hendry made this off-season has worked out for him?
I can think of only one: Not signing Woody.
Everything else has bit him.
there's no way to evaluate
till the season is over.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 10, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions
People evalute
Halves of seasons in professional baseball.
I understand that.
but I don’t agree with it.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 10, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Then your waering
blinders
Go Cubs Go!!!!
by cubsluver22 on Jul 10, 2009 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't agree with that either.
If Bradley hits .350 for the rest of the season, will you consider it to have been a bad signing?
What if this is a down year for Soriano, and he hits 30 HRs, 30 doubles and 120 RBIs next year and the year after that?
The worth of contracts can be estimated on a year by year basis; the true worth can’t be estimated till the end of the contract.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 10, 2009 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions
But, it is still a team
game.
And, since the people you mention are cogs in the worst NL offense (at least NL RISP worst), I can evaluate them for their lack of production to this point.
And, sorry, but Bradly, Soriano, Fontenot, Fukudome all suck now.
I will agree that we can evaluate them at the end of the year to see if they made it to their career norms – but what they’re doing now is really bad.
Don't forgot Soto...
…and I know he was improving, but I have to think him getting way out of shape played a role in him being hurt right now. If he doesn’t get serious with his conditioning, he won’t last long as a catcher.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
As bad as it looks now...
…you are 100% correct.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Lets see
The Gregg trade was fine.
Heilman is teh s uck.
Cable was useless.
Miles is a joke.
Dempster is fine, just… don’t jump the railing for a while buddy.
Going for 1 more year of Harden after last year wasn’t ridiculous, pretty reasonable, I think.
No one expected Bradley to completely forget how to hit or count to 3.
DeRosa trade was fine and reasonable too. If MIles is what we was last year, we don’t really miss DeRosa as much.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
For me I'd have to say that the Milton Bradley signing stands out as the worst
Especially since Lou seems to have wanted Ibanez (who been a big contributor for Philly) and Hendry apparently overruled him
by bluekoolaide on Jul 10, 2009 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Ibanez is 37!
And hurt.
Philly was getting shocking production from him… but I never would’ve given him a 3 year deal at his age.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
Didn't realize he was hurt
can I change that to Adam Dunn then?
by bluekoolaide on Jul 10, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess you could
but I really personally would’ve hated that signing.
He’s a butcher in RF.
But, considering I was on board w/ the Bradley signing… maybe my opinion shouldn’t count. :-P
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
sadly, the lack of a true #1 receiver
will probably be the death of that dream….
"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb
by TheRiot Police on Jul 10, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Probably
But let me cling to my delusions a little bit longer-I need them right now!
by bluekoolaide on Jul 10, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I am right there with ya
though…
"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb
by TheRiot Police on Jul 10, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I think that concern is overrated
its all going to start with Marinelli’s boys up front on defense and offensive line on offense.
Those areas aren’t hugely bettter, we’re going nowhere.
Can football start? Like… tomorrow?
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
It's sad that I'm thinking about the Bears and it isn't even the all-star break yet
by bluekoolaide on Jul 10, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I think about football year round
I love it way way more than baseball.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
I'm a baseball guy first and foremost
although this year is putting that to the test
by bluekoolaide on Jul 10, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions
You got to be
able to stretch the field in order to prevent teams from stacking the box against Forte. Devin Hester has the speed to do that…just not the hands or the route running skills.
I am also severally concerned about safety and corner positions…an improved D-Line would help that but if they continue to struggle getting to the QB, things are going to be rough on the old Peanut.
"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb
by TheRiot Police on Jul 10, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm anxious to see how Hester's going to look with a QB who can actually...
…hit him on the run. It seemed like he had to pull up and wait way too many times last year.
by bluekoolaide on Jul 10, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Hester has good hands
Did you see some of the OTA footage on bears.com?
He really picked the ball outta the air nicely.
I thought his routes improved a lot last year.
We’ll just have to see though, I guess.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
Missed the footage...
Maybe Cutler will be the difference….
I do think that Forte and Olson will be key cogs to the passing game as they should be the ones open when Cutler tries to make plays with his legs. It would have been nice to grab a Torry Holt…not a game breaker anymore…but the position receiver who can break off a route and get open when Cutler starts to scramble.
"When two Whales Fight, many Shrimp Die" - Korean Proverb
by TheRiot Police on Jul 10, 2009 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions
oh boy
broxtons falling apart
wells4roty
by jesus christos on Jul 10, 2009 10:40 PM CDT reply actions
The Truth of the matter as I see it is......
Bradley is doing what he’s always done. He continues to be a cancer of different forms. He’s always been a good hitter and I think he will put up respectable numbers before the season’s out. The fact of the matter is, he will continue to bog the team down with his oft-injured body and side shows.
There’s not a doubt in my mind Sori is playing at far less than 100%. We will continue to deal with that. Our overall bullpen is awful. Our starters continue to have nagging injuries that will more than likely continue on. We haven’t hit on all cylinders all year long. From the looks of it I don’t ever see how we will. Hard to be optimistic when the truth has become a reality.
Dome is unpredictable at best. Lou shuffles the lineup more than a casino card dealer shuffles cards. We have backups playing all over the place and some of them are playing in spots they should never play.
We have no money or prospects to make any deals. From the looks of it the deals out there to be made will cost dearly. Hardly can be called a deal!
Go Cubs Go!!!!
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See y’all tomorrow.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
by Allie on Jul 10, 2009 10:58 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
There is little standing in the way of the Cubs finishing in 5th place in the NL Central
In case you haven’t noticed the Houston Astros have come out of nowhere. The real pisser for the Cubs is that the Cardinals, Brewers, Reds and Astros all operate with a payroll a fraction of what the Cubs do. To finish in 5th place in THIS division would be a whole other magntitude of disappointment. We don’t have the Yankees, Red Sox and Rays competing in our division folks.
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
And 68
to 85 wins, right? Or, 86, depending how they play the rest of the weekend. lol
Either 5th, 4th, 3rd place. Right BLou?
You might want to sit the next couple plays out
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
it's your new
catchphrase! It’s very cute.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 11, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
It might get Hendry fired.....
And perhaps some reasonable and “working” organizational direction…….
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
BTW....anyone know....
Was Marquis in a “contract year” this year???
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
I believe so...
…because the Cubs are paying a nice chunk of his last year so they could deal him.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Darnt it all shucks.....
those innings would look real nice on the Cubs stat sheet….
The best defense is a good offense.....Lou Pinella...still hasn't managed the Cubs to a post season win. D. Lee still doesn't have a post seasson RBI for Cubs...ditto for Soriano
damn johnathon sanchez just lost his perfect game
wells4roty
by jesus christos on Jul 10, 2009 11:20 PM CDT reply actions
Soto out a month
Missed that above and just read it in the Tribune. Assuming it is true, then that explains Lou’s lightheartedness. The team is going to show up each day and finish the season. Less frustration or disappointment and more surrendering before games are over. Like today and like the play-off series. Soto was the last straw. They’ll be 5 or more games under .500 in no time. Bring on the young players for auditions. Trade Harden, trade Bradley and anybody else not in the plans for next year. Pray alot for new ownership to take over real soon.
These posts are depressing
I’m so glad that in NY, FOX is playing the Yankee’s game tomorrow.
Do yourselves all a favor and enjoy the outdoors or spend some time away from the TV. Don’t put yourselves through this again. If you have a DVR record the game. This way if they do win, you can rewatch it later.
St louis year
The cardinals are just a winning franchise and the cubs are aloser one. Thats just the way history has proven and the red birds will be on top as usual this year. Houston is also due to finish higher than the Cubs. just face it Cub fans you hired an awful outfield
take it easy
Easy there fella
We signed the outfield, didn’t hire them… it’s not a janitorial service or anything, even though we need one for the mess Sori is making in LF. Everyones got a sour taste in their mouth at the moment, but all it will take is a winning series, a few good bounces, and everything could turn around very quickly. The cubs aren’t 15 games back or anything, the season isn’t a write off.
Rami is going to make a difference very soon, Bradley will wake up, and if we get a series win here or there, all of this will be in the rear-view mirror. Also, Heilman blows. That is all
If it weren't for the gutter, my mind would be homeless.
Go back under your bridge, troll.
"You have to have short-term memory, no matter who you are in this game. There's always tomorrow." ~Derrek Lee
LOL cute comment
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 11, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions
cubs
much work to do in the offseason to fix this bullpen. outside of every hitter on this team underacheiving the pen has hurt us the most. such an unexciting season so far and as the injuries pile up it gets worse. had a ball last season but this team is almost not worth watching. sorry.
uptight
There are seemingly so many issues on this team right now. Based on who is available via the trade, some cubbies will improve for various reasons once a move or two is completed. There is just no way to speculate on a deal for me. Believe me I would love to speculate. This team at least needs to loosen up. One of the most festive atmospheres in baseball and one of the most uptight teams in baseball is a bad combination. We seriously need a good laugh. A Jay Johnstone moment. Lou ripping his pants in front of God and everybody. A pie fight, I dont know anything to get these guys loose and have a laugh then get back to baseball. Every issue seems to stick and not wash away. The Central is weak and there is a serious chance of getting in the post season. My 2
There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.
I think you're on to something...
When you stop and think about it, there’s really not that much difference between the Cubs dugout these days and the Delta House living room right when they find out they’re all getting suspended and somebody says “it’s over”.
Bluto: Over? Did you say “over”? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
Otter: Germans?
Boon: Forget it, he’s rolling.
Bluto: And it ain’t over now. ‘Cause when the goin’ gets tough…
[thinks hard]
Bluto: the tough get goin’! Who’s with me? Let’s go!
[runs out, alone; then returns]
Bluto: What the fuck happened to the Cubs I used to know? Where’s the spirit? Where’s the guts, huh? This could be the greatest night of our lives, but you’re gonna let it be the worst. “Ooh, we’re afraid to go with you Bluto, we might get in trouble.” Well just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I’m not gonna take this. LaRussa, he’s a dead man! Pujols, dead! Molinameyer…
Otter: Dead! Bluto’s right. Psychotic, but absolutely right. We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody’s part.
Bluto: We’re just the guys to do it.
D-Day: Let’s do it.
Bluto: Let’s do it!
Of course Belushi is no longer with us, but maybe Bill Murray could pull it off.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
Perfect!
There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.
by truelinkfence on Jul 11, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Now in all seriousness...
If I were Crane Kenney, I’d hire Blue Man Group to come pay the Cubs a visit right before pre-game. Don’t tell anyone – not even Lou.
Think about it. Cubs are on the field, stretching, loosening up, playing catch. Lou and some coaches are walking around, hanging out behind the cage, media and other team officials are standing around in front of dugout…
All of a sudden, one Blue Man pops up out of the dugout. Another Blue Man comes out of the visitors dugout and walks towards home plate. A third Blue Man comes out through one of the Under Armor doors in the outfield.
Obviously they don’t say anything. But imagine what they could do with baseballs, bats, gloves, those screens and a bunch of foreign-born ballplayers that may have no frickin idea who or what a Blue Man Group is. Oh man, it’d be hysterical.
My only concern is Z pulling an oblique from laughing so hard.
Lou Brown: "My kinda team, Charlie, my kinda team..."
I swear everywhere Marquis goes, the team will always be in contention.
There’s a stat that says, in his 12 yrs or whatever, the team he pitched for has always made the playoffs. That’s certainly not based on his pitching but interesting nonetheless. Who would have thought the Rockies would even sniff Wild Card. I’m not saying i want him back. Chill out :) !
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
nahhhhhh
Milton ...... see the ball hit the ball
by lexmarklover on Jul 11, 2009 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions
I know I'll
get flamed for this but I’m not giving up on this team. Let them rest and get a chance to clear their heads and enjoy their break. If they come back and continue this downward spiral then it is what it is.
The game threads yesterday were awful. If they are like that today I will start a seperate thread for thoseof us who don’t enjoy all the negativity that filled the threads yesterday. Is that still ok Al?
amen, baby!
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 11, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
You won't get flamed by me. I still have hope too.
Faith is belief of the unseen. On the other hand, insanity is the belief that repeating the same action over and over will yield a different result.
So I don’t know what to make of this. My head says this is just a “lost” Cubs team and season. My heart says ANYTHING is possible until you are mathematically eliminated from the postseason.
I just wish I LIKED this team roster better. I’d make it easier to root for them.
But Cubs fans are used to things NOT being easy. Year after year.
Sigh…
Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis,
vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque,
Nunc et in saecula saeculorum...
Amen.
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