A Full Day And Night Of Baseball: Cubs vs. Cardinals Day-Night Doubleheader Preview, Sunday 7/12, 12:05 & 7:05 CT
by Al on Jul 12, 2009 10:00 AM CDT
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Believe it or not, split doubleheaders aren't a newfangled thing at Wrigley Field. During the 1920's, the Cubs would occasionally do so by having a morning game, then a midafternoon game. This could be done easily even without lights because games in those days were almost always less than two hours, and often 90 minutes. One famous such DH was played on May 30, 1922; between the morning and afternoon games the Cubs and Cardinals made a trade. The Cubs sent Max Flack to St. Louis for Cliff Heathcote. The players switched clubhouses and played for their new team in the second game. (It was a good deal for the Cubs; Flack was out of baseball after 1925, while Heathcote had several decent Cub years and was a useful bench player for the 1929 pennant winners.)
The practice of split DH's ended after 1931; it took 71 years for the next split doubleheader to be played at Wrigley, and the first in the lights era, on August 31, 2002 vs. the Cardinals. That awful Cubs team lost the day game and the night game of that twinbill en route to a 95-loss season.
It was a far different story the following year, with yet another day/night doubleheader vs. the Cardinals -- and that DH, played in the heat of a pennant race on September 2, 2003, saw the Cubs split, winning the first game 4-2 on a Sammy Sosa walkoff HR in the 15th inning, and losing the second game 2-0, the only game they lost in that five-game series which is widely credited for giving the Cubs the impetus for the great September (19-8) they had that year on their way to the playoffs.
And the last doubleheader of any kind at Wrigley Field was on August 3, 2006, a regular DH makeup of the previous night's rainout vs. Arizona; that also resulted in a split, a first-game loss followed by a second-game win.
Enough of the history lesson. This is the biggest day of the year so far in many ways, and a sweep would put the Cubs in great position for the second half. Here's how it's going to go at BCB today: this thread will be the only preview thread posted. Overflow threads and first pitch threads will be up at the normal times -- see below the fold for details. There won't be a recap or "inter-game" thread posted after game one since I will be out all day and who knows when game one will end? (The first game of the 2003 DH went 4:47. Here's hoping today's games are way shorter than that!) A recap of BOTH games will post on Monday morning as usual, as we enter the All-Star break.
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First game:
Kyle Lohse has been on the DL since June 4 with forearm problems. He has made several good starts this year but got hit pretty hard by the Cubs at Wrigley Field on April 18. This would be a real good day for some Cubs who have hit Lohse hard in the past to do it again: Alfonso Soriano (14-for-37, .378, 3 doubles, 2 HR); Ryan Theriot (10-for-19, .526, 2 triples), and Aramis Ramirez (7-for-13, 3 doubles, a HR). Players on the current Cub roster are hitting .381 vs. Lohse (59-for-155).
Z gave up a ton of runs to the Cardinals at Wrigley Field on April 17, but the Cubs won that game in extra innings. Albert Pujols has hit five HR in 56 AB vs. Z, but only averages .250 against him. Skip Schumaker, of all people, hits Z the best of those who are likely to play today -- 8-for-22 (.364, 2 doubles, a triple, a HR).
Second game:
Adam Wainwright has already started three times vs. the Cubs this year; St. Louis won all three games and Wainwright is 2-0, 2.49 in 21.2 innings. The only game of the three in which the Cubs hit Wainwright well was April 16 at Wrigley Field, a game won by the Cardinals, but the Cubs got six hits, four walks and four runs off Wainwright that day. Aramis Ramirez -- who has started to hit the ball hard, and the power, I think, is coming -- is 10-for-25 (.400) vs. Wainwright with four doubles and a HR.
Randy Wells made one relief appearance vs. the Cardinals last September 21, the day after the Cubs clinched the NL Central. This will be his first start against our division rivals. For the record, he did face Pujols and got him to hit into a double play.
Today's first game is on WGN; today's second game is on ESPN. For other games today see the MLB.com Mediacenter.
MLB.com Gameday for the day game
MLB.com Gameday for the night game
Baseball-reference.com game preview for the day game
Baseball-reference.com game preview for the night game
SB Nation game preview for the day game
SB Nation game preview for the night game
Overflow comment threads will post today at the following times: for the day game at 1 pm, 2 pm and 2:45 pm CDT; for the night game at 8 pm, 9 pm and 9:45 pm CDT.
Discuss amongst yourselves.
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I love doubleheaders!
Baseball needs more of them!
by kanderber on Jul 12, 2009 10:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It'll be my first!
Game one in the stands, game two in the bleachers. Work is gonna hurt tomorrow.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jul 12, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mentioned this at the end of the game recap thread just a few minutes ago...
… but i sat LF bleachers yesterday, and it seemed to me Sori was slow on his first step and often took it off his left leg, which seems odd. If the injury rumors are true, i’d guess something with his right leg.
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jul 12, 2009 10:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pitchers
Light em all up!
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Jul 12, 2009 10:16 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Pitchers
Light em all up!
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Jul 12, 2009 10:16 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Pitchers
Light em all up!
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Jul 12, 2009 10:16 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
A post so nice, you did it "thrice"...
Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis,
vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque,
Nunc et in saecula saeculorum...
Amen.
by Zeke on Jul 12, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
3 times = odd
it does mean two wins though
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Jul 12, 2009 10:17 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
BTW
that 15 innong Cub game was the best game I ever went to in my whole life. With two out in every top half of the inning the fans were going crazy since about the 6th. When the game ended I was exhausted
Best game ecer
"Hey.....Cubs win!!!" ---Harry
"Swung on belted!!!"---Chip
by Hammer on Jul 12, 2009 10:20 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
was that the game where
Baker said Tony was “selling wolf tickets”? Whatever the hell that meant.
by thermal54 on Jul 12, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
any word on lee?
is he going to play?
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie
by buckmulligan on Jul 12, 2009 10:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Just in on twitter from @lenandbob...
Soriano 3rd in L/U for Game 1. No Lee (not sure about Game 2 for him), no Ram (he’ll be in Game 2 L/U). Len #Cubs
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jul 12, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Commenting not working well on here today... ugh.
Soriano 3rd in L/U for Game 1. No Lee (not sure about Game 2 for him), no Ram (he’ll be in Game 2 L/U). Len #Cubs
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jul 12, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
according to cubs.com
we says he will be in the lineup today
Careful Son, They will break your heart. And then stomp on it. But I will be a Cubs fans until I die. Its your fault Harry!!!
by deployedcubfan on Jul 12, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a feeling
We are going to see two of the best games of the season today…crossing my fingers. Let’s go get ’em!
Oh Baby!
by cubswgnrocks on Jul 12, 2009 10:44 AM CDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Let's play two!
I’d love a sweep, but I’ll settle for a split.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jul 12, 2009 11:00 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Anybody else find it weird...
…that Game One’s pitchers are both looking over their left shoulder, and in Game Two, both pitchers are looking straight ahead? Is this how rotations are decided? By headshots?
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jul 12, 2009 11:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It was a good deal for the Cubs; Flack was out of baseball after 1925, while Heathcote had several decent Cub years and was a useful bench player for the 1929 pennant winners.
So I guess you could say the Cardinals got a lot of flak for that trade, but didn’t get much Flack.
"You have to have short-term memory, no matter who you are in this game. There's always tomorrow." ~Derrek Lee
by Goodie1969 on Jul 12, 2009 11:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We also had Rogers Hornsby in 1929
Big difference
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
by Ace Venom on Jul 12, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Game 1
is the game we better win. Nothing gets me more angry than watching Kyle freakin Lohse shut us down.
by CalCalender on Jul 12, 2009 11:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Its gonna be tough.....
If Lee and Rami both are on the bench, like its says above…..man…..
by ankeith15 on Jul 12, 2009 11:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm guessing that means Hoff and Fox will be in Game 1
And if Sori’s playing LF in Game 1, I wonder if Lou’s gonna put Fuld out there for Game 2. We’re pretty well carrying 6 guys who can play the outfield at the moment (Sori, Dome, MB, Fuld, Hoff, and Cliff).
Not sure I want to see Hoff’s bat for 16 innings today, though.
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jul 12, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Per WSCR (taken from another blog):
Fukudome, Theriot, Soriano, Hoffpauir (IB), Fox (3B), Bradley, Baker (2B), Hill, Z
by ankeith15 on Jul 12, 2009 11:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Piniella understands that if the Cubs are to win the division
Soriano has to be key in the 2nd half. Moving him into a run producing opportunity where he is patient at hitting ‘hittable pitches’ is part of the process.
Piniella: "This is a tougher job than I thought it would be, I'm going to be honest with you."
by Ivy Walls on Jul 12, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, we know Fox is gonna play both games then
One at 3B, one at C.
Quick speculation on Game 2 L/U: Dome (RF), Fuld (LF), Lee, Rami, Fonty, Fox ©, Andy White, Cliff, Oh
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jul 12, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aha!
A capital C inside parenthesis makes a little Cubs logo. Neat!
(or a copyright symbol, you pedants :P)
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jul 12, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here ya go
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jul 12, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yikes.
"If you play more than two chords, you're showing off."--Woody Guthrie
by buckmulligan on Jul 12, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From ESPN.com
Dome
Theriot
Sori
Hoff
Fox
Bradley
Baker
Hill
Z
"This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell outta here." --Michael Scott
by Reddevil on Jul 12, 2009 11:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's Play Two!
Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb.
by junkhorse on Jul 12, 2009 11:46 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I knew that was going to come up
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 12, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wish he was in the line-up...
Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis,
vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque,
Nunc et in saecula saeculorum...
Amen.
by Zeke on Jul 12, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm betting he's lost a step
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jul 12, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone here
remember seeing him play SS? I only knew him as a 1B.
by thermal54 on Jul 12, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He moved to SS in 1962
I only remember hearing about him playing SS as I was only 2 that year lol
by LT on Jul 12, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with Zeke on this one.
I still wish he was in the lineup, even if he has lost a step.
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 12, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is this our first double-header since we split a twin-bill at St. Louis in late 2007?
Cubs record since April 2004: 4-0
by Vermont Cubs Fan on Jul 12, 2009 11:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Who is this?
And where’s BB?
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jul 12, 2009 12:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Keith Moreland
Good player for the Cubs back in the 80’s
by LT on Jul 12, 2009 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He hit 0.281
in 6 Cub seasons. Not bad.
by thermal54 on Jul 12, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Game 1 First Pitch Thread is live!
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
by Clutch16 on Jul 12, 2009 12:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't the first split doubleheader at Wrigley...
…on August 20, 2001 against Milwaukee? Cubs won the first game 7-4 courtesy of a Delino Deshields three run triple, and lost the second 11-2 in Carlos Zambrano’s first career start.
I was at both games that day and could swear that was the first, unless we’re talking day/night gigs instead of twi-night gigs. If so, then you must be right about the 2002 games, which I also attended, and really wish I never did…
by ZachenFoot on Jul 12, 2009 3:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The August 20, 2001 doubleheader was not a split DH.
Note here that there is only one attendance figure for the two games. For split DH there are two.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
by Al on Jul 13, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not only did he hit a home run today...
But Big Z also wrote the recap for MLB.com!
by aphoward on Jul 12, 2009 3:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL!
Good catch.
"Nothing is easier than self-deceit. For what each man wishes, that he also believes to be true." ~Demosthenes
by Goodie1969 on Jul 12, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great first game
I hope the second one is turns out the same.
by sue369 on Jul 12, 2009 4:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Really impressed by the
B team in game 1. Who knew an IF of Hoff, Fox, Baker and Riot would be web gem material?
Bring on game 2! Lets go Wells!
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
by Allie on Jul 12, 2009 5:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Go to this horrible FanPost and help hijack it for Game 2 pre-game discussion!
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
by dtpollitt on Jul 12, 2009 6:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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