Sorry, Sori
Jim Hendry, by all accounts, is a nice man. Apparently, he also has, or had, some professional competence: He is responsible for adding Aramis Ramirez, Derrek Lee and Ted Lilly to the Cubs.
But has anyone ever assembled so bad an outfield at so high a price? For some $200 million, you have:
Kosuke Fukudome, whose offensive game clearly does not translate to the major leagues in the States.
Milton Bradley, who was benched last week so the batting coach could teach him how to hit. How to hit! The man is 31 years old, for goodness sakes. The fact that six previous teams dumped him might have offered a clue that he wasn’t a hidden gem.
Alfonso Soriano. Sorry, Sori, but you are the biggest problem, seeing as how you’re signed through 2014. The man can’t run anymore (the 40 stolen bases guy of yesteryear is long gone; he’s tied for 75th in the majors this year.) The man can’t hit anything but a batting practice pitcher: His last home run was June 7. He has three runs batted in since June 19. Until the Cardinals series, it had been 10 games since he crossed home plate, if you don’t count futile lunges after low, outside sliders. His on-base percentage trails Rich Harden’s by 35 points. If he’s hitting this way at 33, imagine how good he’ll be at 38.
And in the field he is appalling. He has more than twice as many errors as any other left fielder in the league, even after the Cub-friendly official scorer didn’t tag him Friday when he (a) played Albert Pujols’ double into a triple because he couldn’t pick up a ball that had stopped rolling and (b) dropped a pop fly. His RZR rating (that’s a sophisticated measure of how a fielder covers the ground he’s supposed to cover, never mind range) is lowest among qualifying National League left fielders. So, by old fashioned stats, by newfangled stats, and by the ever-reliable smell test, he is the worst left fielder in a league that include Carlos Lee, Ryan Braun, Manny Ramirez, Chris Duncan and Raul Ibanez. That’s quite an accomplishment. Hendry quote when he gave Soriano that $136 million, eight-year contract: "He can play anywhere out there and play it above average."
Dump him, Mr. Hendry. You’ll have to throw big bucks at whatever American League team wants him as a DH and is willing to take Cubs money to help pay his salary until midway in President Obama’s second term (or President Palin’s first). Take whatever prospects you can get, and hope that one surprises down the road. Replace him in left field with someone cheap who can catch a fly ball or get on base once in a while.
The Soriano Cubs aren’t going anywhere. It’s time to start again.
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And it begins...
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jul 13, 2009 7:18 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
What'd you expect? There's no meaningful baseball til Thursday night.
We gotta amuse ourselves somehow.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
dont you mean continues?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
hendry needed to make a splash
in 2006. he did. the team was terrible in ‘06. with soriano as the (filthy rich) principle leadoff man, hendry’s cubs did something no cubs team had done in a lo-o-o-ong time. they reached the playoffs twice in a row.
could the cubs have won in 2007/8 without soriano in left? not sure. we will hear arguments both ways. but without a splash, the prospect-less cubs were dead in the water.
yeah, he paid too much. way too much. but the cubs had to overpay. they couldn’t offer anything but playing time to prospective free agents. jacque jones, jason marquis, and others to be included below were overpaid to get them to arrive. without getting overpaid by us, they’d get overpaid by someone else. or get a reasonable rate from a good team.
we’re saddled with soriano. and dome. and bradley. sadly, outfield isn’t an organizational strength. the cubs will endure. maybe they’ll make the playoffs a few times before soriano takes his sori defense and strikezone awareness elsewhere. after his deal is done.
the questions are, will management finally ‘get’, ‘commit to’, and ‘excel at’ player development? if so, the soriano experiment will be a tempered success. if not, the sign’s numbers across the street will increase.
Milton Bradley, who was benched last week so the batting coach could teach him how to hit. How to hit! The man is 31 years old, for goodness sakes. The fact that six previous teams dumped him might have offered a clue that he wasn’t a hidden gem.
Every good hitter has slumps in their career, and it doesn’t hurt to take a day off to analyze what needs to be tweaked. I think Milton is actually the least of our problems in the OF- I think he’s coming around.
As noted in my recap...
… why not try Bradley leading off? His OBA leads the team.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I think he should be hitting #3
I understand the point of a leadoff man, I do, but I think you want the guy who can get on base the most in front of DLee with the way he’s been hitting.
Hopefully once Aramis gets back into full swing (I believe he might have returned a week early) and Soriano looks to be hitting better we have a 2-6 in our lineup that can score some serious runs.
If stayed healthy, this lineup will play to its potential. Just a shame Soto will be out of the lineup for another month (ESPN 1050 NY reported that this morning oddly enough).
Your #3 and #4 guys should both be RBI guys.
Bradley appears to have lost that ability. Let him lead off, since as of now no one else appears to be able to do that.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I say Theriot-Bradley-Lee-Ramirez
makes the most sense.
DEJESUS!!!
I said put bradley in the leadoff 3 weeks ago
I think it makes a lot of sense. He isn’t going to steal any bases but he has decent speed.
Bradley
Theriot
Lee
Ramierez
Soriano
Fukudome (Johnson)
Soto (Hill) (Fox) I think Fox looked good behind the plate last night
Fontenot ( Baker)
Pitcher
by Cubsfan Waveland on Jul 13, 2009 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions
plus he sees a lot of pitches
which would bode well for the rest of the line up
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
i dont think ive seen someone slump for half a season
wells4roty
by jesus christos on Jul 13, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Well screw it.
I say we trade them for Jason Bay, Josh Hamilton and Ichiro. And have the Sox throw in Beckett too.
I guess you left out
That he’s been hitting .265 in the month of July (would have been batting .300 if it weren’t for the night game he didn’t hit). While that’s still not great, he’s been hitting better with 3 multi-hit games for the month (he only had 5 for the month of June).
He might be getting out of this cold streak so give it a break for a week….
I guess.
It’s still awful, and not even close to acceptable. Hell, it’s still very far from league average.
Yes but
it’s only 20 points below his batting average. The power will come back.
Right now, it might sounds weird but perhaps this how he would have played in 2007 and 2008 had he been healthy. I just look at is Soriano’s been out for 2 months.
I know, I have my own way of looking at things…
who says
the power will come back. unless you know why if left, you can’t say with certainty it will come back. Soriano has never “slumped” this long or this bad, so there is so point of reference to say “see, he’s done this before and caught fire”.
DEJESUS!!!
there's also therefore
no point of reference to say “he’s an albatross around our necks”.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 13, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
The truth is probably somewhere in the middle
I have a hard time believing that he’s going to hit .230 or lower for the next 5 years. But I also think the days of him being the force that he was in his peak years are gone.
.270 with 30 HR’s is plausible for 2010.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 13, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
not worth $30 mill, I suppose
but I wouldn’t kick him out of RF for eating crackers, either.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 13, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Or LF, even :)
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 13, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
exit...
stage left…
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 13, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions
If he gets hot after the break
Soriano can carrying this team on the winning streak that the Cubs have been desperately needing.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
If the Cubs hadn't been worried about Joe DiMaggio's knee
We probably would be flying a few more World Series flags at Wrigley. Of course Soriano getting on a hot streak is a big if at this point with the problems he’s had this season, but it’s a realistic if that we can hope for in the second half. He’s due.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
Here come the endless useless All-Star break posts
What are you trying to say? The Cubs should trade Soriano?
It isn’t going to happen! “Throw in big bucks”? Do you really think the Cubs will pack up Soriano with $100 million dollars?
By the way, Soriano is not the worst left fielder in the league. Have you ever watched Manny?
yes, and Soriano is definitely worse
no question.
by seesdifferent on Jul 22, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Typical Rookie Post
Sorry Dude, but your solution is pretty far-fetched. You want JH to let Soriano walk whilst owing him tens of millions of dollars? And who is the cheap OF to replace him? I think you ought to formulate a scenario that actually could work.
"Ask Dad. He'll know. And on the off chance he doesn't, he'll make something up"
I hate to say it...
…but most teams that have relied heavily on FA signings to compete, end up dealing with the dissappointment of an underachieving club at some point.
So far in 09, the Cubs appear headed down the same road a lot of other clubs have gone (who have used FA signings as a cornerstone).
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
Maybe Soriano could get bitten by a radioactive spider
We’d get Spider Sori. He’d be hitting balls all over the place with those powers. But would that be performance enhancing?
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
This demands a photoshop
Now I actually want to see Spider Sori.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
AWESOME!
Imagine him scaling the outfield walls to prevent XBH and then using the foulpouls to swing his way up into the air so he can cut off home runs! THIS IS GONNA BE SO COOL!
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How could he scale walls? He won't go near them.
♪♫
Spider Sori, Spider Sori
Gets near walls and starts to worry
Swings at slop, poor batting eyes
Does a hop before dropping flies
Look out! Here comes the Spider Sori
Can he run?
Listen, jeez,
He’s got creaky and achy knees.
Can he swing a 10 pound bat?
At least he’s not throwing his batting hat.
Hey, there
There goes the Spider Sori.
In the last of the ninth
When the bases are stacked
He’ll swing with all his might
He’s a guess-hitting hack.
Spider Sori, Spider Sori
LakeView neighborhood Spider Sori
Wealth and fame
He adores
An 0-for-4’s our reward.
To him, life is a great car stero
Wherever his a car stereo’s
You’ll find the Spider Sori.
♪♫
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 13, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions 9 recs
♪ ♫ Reeeeeeeeeeeeeec'd! ♪ ♫
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Don't let this get lost in this thread
Make a FanShot or whatever, but let everyone see it.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
Wow, Shanghai this is a work of art!!!!!
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
These posts
Are really getting old.
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 13, 2009 10:39 AM CDT reply actions
just wait
it’s only Monday. By wednesday, this post will be a fond memory.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 13, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
and replaced by 17 more identical
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Sori is hitting better. Bradley is hitting better. Dome saves plenty of runs with his gloves, and hooks back up with his hitting coach over the break.
Ever go to the batting cages? I have. Hitting even a 50mph ball with a stick is hard. I can’t imaging doing it to a 95mph fastball or 90mph cutter.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
My prowess in the batting cages is well-documented...
…which reminds me to Google “batting cages” so I can find one in my locale.
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come on out to Melrose Park
we’ll go this weekend.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 13, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
cmon down
I got a backyard and everything.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 13, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I hate it when people blame Hendry for assembling what they call "the worst outfield in the major leagues"
Prior to the great spending spurge, the Cubs did not spend a ton of money. Be happy we are able to spend such money.
We brought in Soriano after his explosive 40/40 year. He has been productive for us, hitting .299 and .280 in his first 2 years here. Yes, he is doing terrible right now, but some people on here are calling him a bust? He has the 2nd half to heat up, and he has been productive throughout his career.
Milton was a big risk that hasn’t panned out thus far, in fact, it has been a complete failure all together. There are some promising signs for Milton in the 2nd half, as he continues to take walks and is starting to look a lot better on the left side of the plate.
Fukudome flat out sucked in his first year. This year, he’s starting to look a lot more comfortable out there, and you can’t deny that he is a fantastic centerfielder. We brought him in, expecting a 20 hr, .300 avg type of player, and we haven’t gotten that yet.
Signing players is based of prediction based off a player’s history. Historically, we have an outfield that can be one of the most potent in the mlb. So far, they have not been that. But stop blaming Hendry.
You raise good points...
…but it doesn’t change one fact, most major league team’s who have had to rely heavily on FA signings have had limited success and can often get stuck with ugly contracts.
I agree it is good to have an owner who will spend, and it’s also clear the Cubs don’t win the division in 07 and 08 without spending. The problem comes in when you pick players who may not be the right match for what your club needs and or they decline in performance from age injury or other reasons.
Most clubs who have experienced long term success and are competitive year in and year out, have used FA as a compliment, not a cornerstone to their success.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
then we need to do a better job on the scouting/player development/farm system front of things
which I think is very obvious. But if we waited for something good to come by every year, such as Josh Vitters, we would not be a competitive team if we didn’t rely on FA’s.
Completely agree...
…but just imagine how strong a position the Cubs would be in if they had a nice stream of position player talent over the last 10 years or so? Some of those guys could help the major league club win, and be able to perform for several years at bargain prices. Then, you could go out in the FA market with less desperation, and really pick your spots. Also, they could have used some young talent to acquire more established players by trading that young talent.
It’s all water under the bridge now, and you can only hope the guys with the big contracts produce they way they can, otherwise, you could have a costly cleanup process to go through.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
like you said, it's all water under the bridge now
the cubs will continue to rely on a top 5 payroll until they can actually produce above average major league talent down in the farm system.
Soriano's history was BAD
and Hendry should have known it.
see this.
by seesdifferent on Jul 22, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions
And once again...
…someone writes a whiny Fanpost like this and then, apparently, doesn’t stick around to support his or her views. That’s starting to annoy me more than the whiny “Trade Soriano/Bradley/Fukudome/Gregg/Marmol/Piniella!” Fanposts themselves.
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You don't need to apologize to Soriano.
He doesn’t care what you think.
This season IS over. -BLou 6/30/09
Ignore
for a moment Soriano’s salary. He is horrendous this year, regardless of the cost. He is hitting worse than most pitchers for the past 2 months, and dare I say Sean Marshall was an upgrade in the field last night when Soriano came out.
I think I saw somewhere that Soriano was hitting over ..300 for some recent stretch. I don’t buy it. 2 of those hits were bloopers that the outfielder dropped and they gifted them as singles. I haven’t seen any improvement other than he seems to be watching more pitches. But when he does swing, it still looks brutal.
DEJESUS!!!
Splits
BA/OBP/SLG/OPS
.353/.450/.412/.862 — Last 7 Days
.243/.317/.297/.614 — Last 14 Days
.244 /.306/.300/.606 — Last 28 Days
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=soriaal01&year=2009&t=b
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 13, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Not a bad week's work.
Maybe he was getting his timing back a bit this week. Naturally, now he has three days to lose it again. Maybe we should have voted him into the All Star Game after all.
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heh
hopefully, they’re actually still practicing during the break. Do they have the option? Or do they look at it as an actual vacation?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 13, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Seems like most of them look at it as a vacation.
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So he has
had one good week (again, aided by some bad calls), but otherwise has shown no signs of improvement. In the past week he is 6 for 17 in 20 plate appearances.
Take away those 2 hits that really weren’t hits (honestly, I know you are a Soriano supporter, but they were errors), and his average for the week is down to .235. I know you can’t “take away” hits in the record book, but if we are looking for signs of improvement, I am finding none.
DEJESUS!!!
I'm sorry
but you cannot just pick and choose the statistics you want and then say “See? No improvement.”
The trend is visible above. He is getting better. His SLG jumped by 100 points!
It has nothing to do with me being a Soriano supporter. Those are the numbers you will see at Baseball-Reference.com. 6/17 IS a .353 Batting average!
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 13, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
He seems to have changed his approach. He is certainly taking a lot more pitches
and making a conscious effort not to swing at breaking balls in the dirt. I think that if he would concentrate on hitting the ball up the middle, his stroke will probably come back. The thing that concerns me is that he is getting beat on good fastballs. Last year, it was easier to get a pork chop past a junkyard dog than it was to get a fastball by him. He really hasn’t squared up a good fastball in weeks. His bat is still a bit slow.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jul 13, 2009 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions
he needs
to bite the bullet and get a lighter bat. But I’ll give him two weeks after the break to prove me wrong. :D
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 13, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions
That's for sure. It looks like he is swinging a telephone pole. A lighter bad would certainly
speed things up. He’s not hitting for power, so he wouldn’t be losing anything. I don’t think his ego would allow him to change now.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jul 13, 2009 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions
So bench em...
If Soriano and Bradley don’t get hot, bench em! Put the Hoff and Fox in the corner OF spots and see what happens! Sure it’s a stretch, but at least those guys are mashing the ball. Let’s at least go down with a fight and not a silent fart….
by Fully Kreusened on Jul 16, 2009 6:03 AM CDT reply actions
Why is anyone Defending SORRY AZZANO
My question is are u just delusionally optimistic or blind and deaf when u defend sorry azz.
1. He will never bunt
2. He cant steal
3. hes stupid on the base path and gets picked off (if he somehow ever gets on a base)
4. He IS the worst fielding left fielder(STATS FACT) in the national league and if you ever watch a game when have u seen him catch any ball over his head to the right or left or in front of him HES Lucky if he hops into a catch hit right at him
5. He hits 196 with runners on base…. great 16 million dollar clutch hitter..i cringe when WGN ads say and " this week its AS and the chi cubs taking on" …GEZZUZ when has sorry azz been a clutch for the cubs? when?
6.HE CANT HIT…. ITS JULY 18…so if he goes on a hitting streak for 2 weeks all is forgiven?
I just want to know why you SORRY AZZ defenders are defending him
You put that so eloquently that I can't even put up and argument.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jul 18, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions

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