Cubs Midterm Report Card
Here are MY overall Cubs midterm grades. Collectively, I give the team a C for staying in the hunt despite numerous injuries and atrocious situational hitting and RISP stats. Pitching has been the one "relatively" consistent area that has kept them in contention.
Cubs Midterm Report Card
Pitchers (20+ innings pitched)
Kevin Gregg: B
Angel Guzman: B
Rich Harden: C-
Aaron Heilman: C-
Ted Lilly: A
Carlos Marmol: C-
Sean Marshall: B-
David Patton: Inc.
Randy Wells: A-
Carlos Zambrano: C+
Catchers
Koyie Hill: D+
Geovany Soto: C-
Infielders
Jeff Baker: Inc.
Andres Blanco: C+
Jake Fox: B+
Derrek Lee: A-
Aaron Miles: F
Bobby Scales: C+
Ryan Theriot: C
Outfielders
Milton Bradley: C-
Kosuke Fukudome: C-
Sam Fuld: A-
Reed Johnson: B
Alfonso Soriano: D+
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I was going to do something like this in the next day or so.
So for now, I’ll pass on commenting.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Please do post something. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts...
Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis,
vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque,
Nunc et in saecula saeculorum...
Amen.
Tomorrow, tomorrow, I love you, tomorrow it's only a day away.
"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris
by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jul 13, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Here let me add the musical notes: ♪ ♫ ♪ ♫
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Agree
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
by tucsoncubsfan on Jul 13, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
yes,
Theriot is hitting right around .300 and handling the glove just fine. he isn’t too flashy, but he doesn’t make a lot of errors. he makes the plays he should. scrap that one yesterday looking into the sun, as the same thing happened to the Cards SS a minute later.
Hill has done well with the bat, and he seems to do a real good job with the glove.
Ryan
I think Theriot is one of the best all round players on the team. Not many should be rated higher.
by If we only had Hubbs on Jul 13, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions
100% agreed
I can’t stand when everyone keeps poking at him around here just because his defense is a little below average.
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 13, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions
And, per UZR careerwise, it's not.
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he's actually made some
throwing plays lately that I did not expect him to. Plus, he hasn’t gotten picked off lately. I think.
He’s improving.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 13, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Them Blinders at work again drew...
Theriot got picked off at 1st by Molina this weekend!
Go Cubs Go!!!!
I am
by far, not a Theriot supporter. Sometimes I think you have blinders, and they’re actually ON your eyes.
I didn’t catch all of the games. That’s why I said “I think” at the end of that. Either way, Riot is becoming a better shortstop.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 13, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe you should at least...
watch the games before arguing your opinion about the players that played in them!
Go Cubs Go!!!!
dood
chillax.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 13, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions
whether he watches the games or not
doesn’t matter…… he feels that each player is getting better each game.
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 14, 2009 1:21 AM CDT up reply actions
pete's sake
We’re 3.5 games out of first, 1 back in the loss column. That’s with losing our best hitter for 50 games, Lee slumping, Bradley slumping, Soriano slumping, Soto slumping, Fontenot slumping, Harden going on the DL, half the starters spending at least a week on the bench from one month to the next, and a bullpen that was easily the worst in the NL when the season started! The Cards are 3.5 games up with Pujols having a CAREER year in six months! What happens when Ludwick slumps? Or Carpenter gets injured, or Pujol’s arm finally falls off? They’re playing out of their MINDS — and they’re THREE AND A HALF GAMES UP!
How can you NOT look at that and say “we’ve got a chance.”
And I watch or listen to nearly every game. Up till a week ago, I was doing play by play for every game on this board. And it’s irrelevant.
Stop trying to make my level of commitment the issue simply because you don’t like the facts I use to support my arguments.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 14, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I have never once said they don't have a chance
This whole argument between you and I started over me giving Bradley a bad grade and saying that he was an epic failure. I believe he has been. I think we have a chance but were gonna have to have key players like him shut the hell up, go to the field and put baseballs into the bleachers and gaps period! He was brought here to tear covers off baseballs on a near daily basis. He is capable of that. If he can do that and just half of all others can produce to their normal levels we can make it to the playoffs!
I’m usually not Captain Negative but I have been pissed off about this team for weeks and had to get it out. I’m gonna sit here enjoy the rest of my day watch the All-Star game without any of our offensive guys in it and get ready for the 2nd half. The End!
Go Cubs Go!!!!
I thought he was brought here
Because he had the highest .OBP in the American League. Last time I checked, while his hitting has improved so has his walk count.
Wait a second?
I thought you weren’t allowed to have an opinion since you don’t watch as many games as cubsluver?
So confused????
I know
it’s a conundrum, although all of this arguing appears to have ended with him basically saying “i was in a bad mood, sorry.”
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 15, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh I missed that post on here
I went on here, read the entire thing and got really turned off at how some people (not you) have to attack others opinions and claiming if you’re not as “big” of a fan then your opinion doesn’t matter.
might have been on a different post.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 15, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, it was in a couple different threads.
My changes
Carlos Zambrano: B
Ryan Theriot: A-
Angel Guzman: A
Randy Wells: A
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 13, 2009 12:17 PM CDT reply actions
A little high for Theriot and Guzman
But not bad. I’d also give Marshall a B+.
Why
Did anyone expect Guz to be this good? Plus, Theriot has supplied unexpected power.
"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver
by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 13, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions
theriot's OBP is way down
And Guzman has been very good, but not great.
Is your grade of Marshall
as a pitcher or as a left fielder?
"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko
LOL
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson
by tucsoncubsfan on Jul 13, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh! I forgot about that! Then he gets an A+++++++++++ like in "A Christmas Story"...
Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis,
vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque,
Nunc et in saecula saeculorum...
Amen.
The team is at .500
The team should get a C- overall. Some things were out of their control. A healthy Aramis all season long would mean the Cubs would probably be in first or second place right now. The confidence level would also be higher. When I saw Aramis go down in May, my first reaction was, “There goes the season.” While that’s a knee jerk reaction, I think we don’t appreciate Aramis Ramirez enough. If he can at least get some of his power back, the Cubs have a fighting chance in the second half. They just need to stay in it and not lose too much ground because St. Louis is the real deal this year.
And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.
D+ or C-
This team was supposed to waltz through this division and is only a .500 team. I know more than their share of injuries have hampered them but i think we should expect better.Soriano and Bradley are F’s for sure.How anyone could give them a passing is beyond me
I think grades should...
be proportionate to role.
Micah, Jake, Andres, Bobby, and Koyie have all done about as good as we can expect.
This season IS over. -BLou 6/30/09
I disagree with Zambrano
He has 12 quality starts in 16 games started. He’s had some bad outings, but he’s been fairly consistent.
I also disagree with Marshall. In terms of relieving, he has been great.
Incomplete for Ramirez; F for Soriano; C for Team
He hit well before the injury. He hasn’t played enough to give him an A. Sori showed signs of life over the weekend at the plate. Overall, he has been dreadful this season. I’d definitely give him an F. The team as a whole gets a C for being an average .500 club so far.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
He's Been the Reverse of D-Lee
Sori hit 12 HR’s early on while D-Lee looked pathetic in April. I would have given D-Lee an F for his April performance. Since then, Lee has been hot, and Sori’s been cold. I didn’t expect Sori to be hitting in the .230’s. He’s a better hitter than that. He no longer bats leadoff. Sori’s been a real disappointment this season. Sori did hit the ball better over the weekend, so I believe he can get on another one of his hot streaks in the second half. Even with his April included, his first half was terrible.
"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray
D+ for Koyie
seems a little bit harsh. He, to me, seems to have done a nice job filling in for Geo when asked. The pitching staff seems to be relatively comfortable with him behind the dish and while I know his bat isn’t going to draw any comparisons to Joe Mauer, he seems to step up with a big hit every now and again. Meh, my $.02 anyway.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jul 13, 2009 1:32 PM CDT reply actions
Theriot at least a B
The guy has been solid, especially as of late. He’s put together some nice games at the plate and has been good in the field (lost fly ball in the sun aside).
I also would argue that Aramis should be an incomplete, because he’s missed so many games … while he’s been good since his rehab, he’s only played 24 games.
Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb.
My Opinion
Cubs Midterm Report Card
Pitchers (20+ innings pitched)
Ryan Dempster: C agree
Kevin Gregg: B agree
Angel Guzman: B agree
Rich Harden: C- agree
Aaron Heilman: C- DO NOT AGREE Heilman gets an F Dump him now
Ted Lilly: A should read A+
Carlos Marmol: C- Let’s remember he is next in the majors in holds I believe. He needs help in that pen. He shouldn’t have the weight of the team on his shoulders every game!
Sean Marshall: B- agree
David Patton: Inc.
Randy Wells: A- He should only have 1 loss maybe 2. He gets an A+ keep up the good work Wells. Fine player
Carlos Zambrano: C+ should be a D carlos you have been a failure!
Catchers
Koyie Hill: D+ Heavily disagree, been a wonderful backup; I give him a B+
Geovany Soto: C- agree stop smoking the good stuff and get back on that weight loss program
Infielders
Jeff Baker: Inc.
Andres Blanco: C+ agree he is what he is
Mike Fontenot: D Not really his fault but I gotta agree.
Jake Fox: B+ He gets a A+ Nice job Jake
Micah Hoffpauir: C agree
Derrek Lee: A- A little high but I will agree
Aaron Miles: F agree dump this bum
Aramis Ramirez: A agree
Bobby Scales: C+ ahhh was a great story scales.
Ryan Theriot: C Disagree cheap ss who is a tweener. Not a great hitter or fielder but does a good job everyday for near minimum money. Work on that damn baserunning!
Outfielders
Milton Bradley: C- (way to high, He gets an F)
Kosuke Fukudome: C- agree
Sam Fuld: A- agree but let’s stop getting so caught up in these types
Reed Johnson: B I love Reed
Alfonso Soriano: D+ Sori has had times he has carried us so I will give him a C
I’m gonna add 1 (LOU) Epic Failure—I like you Lou but your constant lineup changing is way past old. Stop using Marmol so much, especially when it’s basically a mop up role. Get a little more ascertaive (however you spell it Sue is gonna yell at me) with your team. If Alan Trammel can’t correct the baserunning blunders fire his ass! We can’t keep giving away outs!
Go Cubs Go!!!!
Zambrano is a failure?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 13, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I think he has been!
He’s being paid as a #1 starter. He’s been given the #1 starter role. Well you know what I think he should pitch like it! Anything less is unacceptable and a failure! That’s his job—by golly go do it!
Go Cubs Go!!!!
His job is to be a really good pitcher.
At that he generally succeeds.
Not only is the “He’s paid as a #1 starter” thing really dumb and meaningless, it’s not true, unless you consider AJ Burnett and Derek Lowe #1 starters.
He’s being paid comparably to other pitchers of comparable value.
by Wreckard on Jul 13, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Agreed, rec'd.
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...
um. Well, I think he’s certainly doing his best. I always find it interesting how fans are so ready to blame players for being lazy or not-motivates.
ps: “assertive”.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 13, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
An F? Really?
Milton Bradley: C- (way to high, He gets an F)
He’s been about league average this year in RF. He hasn’t been the hitter we’d hoped, but appears to have finally started figuring things out. In the meantime, he’s gotten on base almost 4/10 times he’s come to the plate, and played quality defense if right.
The only thing he’s failed to do is mend your broken heart over Derosa leaving. He should have sent the fans all greeting cards or something. Maybe with a haiku in it or something.
About Derosa
He’s just above average
Your man crush is dumb
From: Milton To: Cubsluver22:
I know I replaced
someone quite dear to your heart
Here. Have OBP.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 13, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
yes really
Milton Bradley has been freaking awful! On top of that are his circus side shows. Stop wearing blinders!
Go Cubs Go!!!!
Please elaborate
You clearly have a nuanced, well-versed and complex opinion of the Cubs, as well as an esteemed eloquence when it comes to expressing your opinions.
Awful would indicate that he’s been worse than league average. In what way? His slugging is in the tank, but in the mean time he’s fought through it by getting on base at a good clip and playing good defense.
And what “circus side shows”? He argued with an ump (many players do this and don’t get accused of being Barnum and Baily members), had one lapse of concentration in the outfield, and got insulted by his manager but handled it without losing his temper. I just don’t understand what he’s done that’s been so bad. Any other player does these things and they’d be forgotten about in a week.
by Wreckard on Jul 13, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
and, in fact
they have.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 13, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
how nuanced
well-versed and complex.
Your signature should be “Go Cubs Go (offer not valid for those Cubs I unreasonably dislike.)”
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 13, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions
My favorite pasttime is baseball
My favorite team is the Cubs. I’m all things Cubs. I watch almost every single game and have for the majority of my life. I spend alot of money on memorabilia etc. I don’t usually moan and groan too much but this current team is very disappointing. Sorry I’m not you I won’t say a player is good when their not. I realize your outlook is always positive and that’s fine but don’t flame me for stating the truth as I see it.
Go Cubs Go!!!!
I don't mind
reasonable criticism. So far, you’ve been proven wrong about everything you’d said about Bradley. Some perspective would be nice.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 13, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions
6 hr's 21 rbi horrible avg
I don’t think I have been proven wrong about anything. Ask around to fans of other teams and see what they tell you about Bradley. I have numerous friends of various other teams. The consensus of their opinions is Wow Milton Bradley is awful. Your defending a player that shouldn’t be defended. I want him to light it up after the break and don’t see any reason why he can’t but again I will state my opinion—thus far he has been an epic failure!
Go Cubs Go!!!!
But you've barely mentioned his performance as the reason you dislike him
You’re a lot more concerned about who he is than what he’s doing on the field.
Watching you try to explain your irrational personal dislike of Bradley is like watching a clinical film explaining what cognitive dissonance is.
Why is it sickening?
You’re acting like I’m defending a murderer. Again your reaction to Bradley is so out of whack with his crimes that there must be more to it.
once again
you fail to bring legitimate criticism to bear. Lee was batting terribly before he got hot. Rami missed FIFTY GAMES, and hasn’t done anything big since he got back. Nobody on the team was hitting well for a while.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 13, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions
fans?
I’m not going to take a fan’s word for it. Not when I have a list of a dozen players and more who all say that Milton Bradley is a stand up guy, who plays hard and wants to win, and is a good team-mate.
Once again. Perspective. Getz some.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 13, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions
lmao
Stand up guy!! —-Yeah stand up and cry!
Wanting to win and doing what it takes to actually do it are two different things.
Once again take off your blinders and stop letting your team allegiance rule the facts.
Go Cubs Go!!!!
so a fan's word
about a player is more valid then a team-mates. Got it.
o.0
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 13, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
and you see
perhaps 15% of what’s actually going on. You’re not in the clubhouse. You’re not at the practices. You’re not on the plane or in the hotel. You’re not in Lou’s office.
By all reasonable and knowledgeable accounts, Milton Bradley is a stand-up guy who plays hard and wants to win, accepts responsibility for his part when he doesn’t, and is a great team-mate.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 14, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Your opinions aren't facts.
I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.
It may be a fact...
…that a consensus of your friends who follow other teams think Milton Bradley sucks. But that doesn’t make it true. It’s still just their opinion – and yours.
I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.
Here's a fact
In this fan-post your personality sucks.
And that’s just from reading your responses to people who disagreed with you.
Absolutely. Recommended....btw....
"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.
Loud standing ovation!!!
I’m calling for an encore!!
People can’t stand players like milt and z simply because they want to hate someone…
Hater…lol
by bilbosbuttons on Jul 13, 2009 4:23 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
People can't players Like Milton
Because he is a crybaby who always finds ways to rub people the wrong way. Instead of brushing the chip off his shoulder and do his job, he seemingly goes into every day with the though that everyone is out to get him. We signed him to be a great hitter. Ryan Theriot is out hitting him. All I want as a fan is for Milton to shut up, go out every day and and deposit balls into the bleachers or gaps, so that we can win.
Go Cubs Go!!!!
oh, come on
The situation against the White Sox was a LOT more than Bradley getting insulted by Lou and handling it without losing his temper. Setting aside the mental mistake (meh), there were a few things Milton did to bring out Lou’s wrath:
1) Be among the team leaders in helmets thrown, bats slammed, etc.
2) Complain to and about umpires, to and about the media and talk about how he felt isolated in the club house.
3) Not perform to expectations.
No one else on the 2009 Cubs has had that marvelous trifecta. Soriano has been really terrible, but he’s not committed acts one or two (at least, not that often). Z is crazy, but he has pitched better than Milton has hit. Aaron MIles is amazingly bad, but he is so quietly. I could go on …
Describing the situation last month at the Cell as Milton getting insulted without losing his temper doesn’t really see the forest for the trees. That said, I’m probably rooting for Milton more than any other Cub right now, because I think a big second half from him is more than possible and hugely important.
But you say that these actions, by another player, would be forgotten about in a week. Well, his past actions (this season and throughout his career) make future mistakes a bigger deal. Think Drew Peterson.
But see that's the thing
Well, his past actions (this season and throughout his career) make future mistakes a bigger deal.
None of his actions throughout his career are really that big. There are players on this team who have done far worse than he has (Zambrano and Lilly attacking people in their own dugouts for example) who don’t get this echo chamber of media scrutiny put on everything they do and say.
Think Drew Peterson.
Um….
Think Drew Peterson.
… so the other day, someone compared Soriano to Robert Mugabe.
I can’t decide if this is worse or not. Seriously? A murderer? Milton Bradley is like a cop who murdered at least one woman and probably two?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 13, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions
All that is overkill
but Milton is just wanna those people whether his fault or not that trouble seems to find. He’s exactly what we don’t need!
Go Cubs Go!!!!
let's see
if you’re saying that in December.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 13, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions
6 Hr's 21 RBI .243 avg for Bradley
Heck even Theriot is beating that with 7 hr’s 30 rbi and .299 avg. That’s awful!! He’s hurt constantly. He’s been suspended already this year. He’s been sent home. He cries about everything. Poor Milton. Oh and let’s not forget his defense. I can think of several blunders this year. I’m all for him getting better in the 2nd half but he’s been awful the 1st half.
Go Cubs Go!!!!
He’s hurt constantly.
He’s been extremely healthy this season, apart from a 10 day stint 2.5 months ago…
He’s been suspended already this year.
For 2 games. Why does that bother you so much?
He’s been sent home.
Because his manager lost his shit and called him a name.
He cries about everything.
Again, why does that bother you so much? Bradley’s biggest problem is that he says what’s on his mind. He probably overshares. But don’t people want candor from their athletes?
The one thing I'll say about Bradley...
and i’ll admit, I’ve been against his signing from day one, is that he really wants to win. He genuinely cares what happens to this team, and I think that’s what gets him in “trouble” sometimes. I’m definitely rooting for the guy, and though he wasn’t my first choice, he’s here now…so let’s remember what uniform he wears and treat him like a hometown guy.
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jul 13, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions
And he often says really humble, insightful things -
- but those things never really get much play around here.
"I’ve been working ever so hard to get my stroke, get my rhythm, get my eye, and to end it like that was disappointing," Bradley said, calling the last at-bat [last night against the Cardinals] "terrible."
"I walked about 37 times today," he said. "Suddenly, I’m going to take a third strike right there? I got my rhythm, I feel good. I’m sure on [ESPN’s] ‘K-Zone’ it was a ball. It’s disappointing, but what can you do? You move on. It ain’t the first time, it won’t be the last."
"Don’t read the newspapers, don’t watch TV, just play," he said. "We’ve got everything we need right here. If we stay together in here, cut out all the outside [stuff], we’ll be fine. There’s way too much hoopla, there’s way too much talk, there’s way too much speculation.
"We’re a team—25 guys going out there every day, grinding. You play 162 games for a reason. It doesn’t matter where you’re at right now. The Cardinals haven’t won jack."
"I understand what I’m doing wrong," Bradley said. "I looked at my tape from last year. I feel it now. So when I tell you I’m back, I’m back. You can mark it down. I’ll be hitting for the rest of the year. I’m back."
By all acounts
from everything I’ve read, his teammates have always really loved him. That certainly says something. I think it’s more the media/front office that has a problem with his intensity.
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jul 13, 2009 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions
heh
“The Cardinals haven’t won jack.” — Milton Bradley
If we take the division from them, I may make that my signature. :D
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 13, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions
one game
actually. The suspension was reduced to one game.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 13, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh Geez
Don’t blame that mess on Bradley. Poor Bradley got what he deserved for throwing his little temper tantrum. Poor baby!! stop making excuses for him.
Go Cubs Go!!!!
I'm not making excuses.
I’m pointing out what happened and asking why you dislike him so much.
Like a lot of people on here your dislike of him far exceeds anything he’s ever done. Which would be hilarious if it weren’t so pathetic.
Because he's a great, exciting player.
Because the way Cubs fans have treated him this season has made me embarrassed to identify myself with them.
But most of all it’s because I think it’s hilarious to watch people squirm and spit out excuse after excuse as to why they’re filled with such vitriol on the subject.
I think it's hilarious
to watch fans like you defend an under performing player who is a circus side show on and off the field!
Go Cubs Go!!!!
because
he deserves defending.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 13, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Your really not worthy..
of discussing player’s performance with me since you just told me that you haven’t even been watching all the games. You stated Theriot hasn’t been picked and again I proved you wrong. Watch the games and don’t be a highlight reel or boxscore fan. Then come back and will discuss player’s performance.
Go Cubs Go!!!!
are you serious?
I took the first three or four innings off of three games, and this is what you’re going to say?
Wow. You sure got a big-ass chip on your shoulder, son. Box-score fan. That’s gotta be about the funniest thing I’ve heard all day.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 13, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
you stated
Theriot hasn’t been picked off in awhile—right or wrong? I then corrected you yet again. He got picked of by Molina this weekend.
Go Cubs Go!!!!
I said
“I think.” I forgot. So what?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 14, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
So you watch every single inning of every game?
I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.
I certainly don't argue opinions
about a player’s in game performances without seeing with my own eye
Go Cubs Go!!!!
by cubsluver22 on Jul 14, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
He made a mistake, which he admitted to.
And you didn’t answer the question.
I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.
Pretty Close, but here's what I'd change:
Gregg: C (he’s been an average closer)
Marshall: B+ (his role is consistently undefined, but he’s been outstanding at times)
Soto: C (he’s been an average catcher)
Hill: C (average backup catcher)
Ramierez: D (hasn’t contributed much to the team)
Scales: B (unexpected contributer)
Theriot: B (already a career HR year)
Dome: B (great april and july, generally an A defender, obp leader)
Neither Heilman or Bradley should get passing grades: D
Come visit me inside Wrigley along the Addison side mezzanine fence straight up from 1st base.
You're giving Ramirez a D for being hurt?
Ridiculous.
Or an incomplete,
though he’s been on the 40-man roster the whole year.
Critical, yes.
Ridiculous, please. So is the notion of giving letter grades to baseball players.
Have you ever passed a class after missing roughly 75% of the tests?
Come visit me inside Wrigley along the Addison side mezzanine fence straight up from 1st base.
by section229beer on Jul 13, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions
incomplete, sure
But Ramirez, while he’s been on the field, has played very well. As far as giving grades to baseball players, you weighed in on this, too. You accepted the premise.
Ryan Dempster: B- Dempster hasn’t been as effective as last year but he’s still a solid starter but there’s room for improvement.
Kevin Gregg: B He came into Chicago with an aurora surrounding that he was the Kerry Wood replacement. He’s been effective on most accounts in closing but to get an A you should be perfect in saves.
Angel Guzman: A- For the most part he has done everything asked of him. He came onto a team where he could have easily been sent down to AAA. Instead, he’s found a niche at being a 7th or 8th inning reliever and has offered needed competition to Heilman and Marmol.
Rich Harden: C When Harden is bad, he’s bad. When he’s good, he’s our best pitcher. He’s been on the DL once but it was very minor. There’s all the reason to believe he’ll improve and there’s room for improvement. I would have given him a C- but he moves up a grade for working on his batting this year.
Aaron Heilman: B- I’m being generous. He gets a B- because Lou should know how to use him better. Heilman is not good when he has inherited runners. In fact, last night he probably shouldn’t have been pitching in the 9th. However, when Heilman starts in innings, he’s been effective and had a very good June.
Ted Lilly: A Lilly has been great this year. Anytime you have a win/loss well over .500 with a .500 team you’re doing your job (see Zambrano in 2006). Lilly is on pace to have over 15 wins again for third straight year as a Cub.
Carlos Marmol: D If it were anyone else I’d give them a D. Our most feared reliever by batters is now most feared by fans. Lose the walks and you get a B+. He still has only given up like 25 hits in 42 innings which is excellent.
Sean Marshall: B+ This guy takes everything in stride. He moves to bullpen and contributes. He starts and he does OK with little run support. However he seems to have found his niche as a reliever and left fielder.
David Patton: C He might not be major league ready but he’s on the team. He’s pitched some bad games but there have been times when Cubs have needed him to step in for 2 innings and he’s done great. He’s in over his head at the time but has performed at what we all thought he would.
Randy Wells: A Who knew what to expect from Wells. He surpassed every expectation so far. He’s had only 2 poor games (if you want to count last night as poor) and should have 3 more wins than his record says. He might end up having best ERA at end of the season.
Carlos Zambrano: B He’s pitched very well for most of the year. He’s done even better in the last 5 starts. We know what to expect from Z and had he been healthy all year, it might be better.
Catchers
Koyie Hill: C He’s hit and caught as expected and no better. So he gets a C.
Geovany Soto: D+ He should be playing better. There was an improvement and when he returns from injury he might be in old form. Who even knows how long Soto was hurt before being on a DL. That might explain his slow start.
Infielders
Jeff Baker: Inc.
Andres Blanco: B- C for his bat and B+ for his glove = B-.
Mike Fontenot: C- He can only improve and has over the last 10 games. He was in a tough spot this Spring working at 3B for many games.
Jake Fox: B – Still too small of a sample size. He can’t be any lower than a B but by end of the season I’ll hopefully give him an A.
Micah Hoffpauir: C+ He hasn’t hit well, strikes out a lot and doesn’t talk walks. But the hits he has had have been game changing. I can’t give below a C+ for someone who has helped us win games.
Derrek Lee: A . I’d give him an A+ if we were in first place. DLee has done all he can to get this team winning. Without him, we could be 10 under .500.
Aaron Miles: Inc. He’s been injured. We might not even see him for rest of the season. And I dislike him too much to want to write anymore.
Aramis Ramirez: INC – In a month I can re-evaluate this.
Bobby Scales: C A nice spark plug and story but he wasn’t doing anything to help the team.
Ryan Theriot: A- Nice bit a power, solid batting average, nice defense lately. He has done well. Anyone who gives him below a B just doesn’t like him and will never give him credit for his hard work.
Outfielders
Milton Bradley: C – He’s improved and his .OBP has jumped. He’s heating up and should do better. Plus, Chicago is not a good city for him with the media but he hasn’t cracked yet.
Kosuke Fukudome: C His OBP in June was even more horrific than his batting average. He seems to do well in the leadoff spot so there is hope.
Sam Fuld: A-
Reed Johnson: B- He just hasn’t played enough to get a higher grade even with his excellent defense.
Alfonso Soriano: F Even with a torrid April, he has failed in almost everything else. He has improved since moving down the lineup but with a gigantic salary, he must do better. The big question is, would Cubs have been better had he gotten his “annual injury” for the last 40 games?
very well written.
I give you a Lilly-like grade!!
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jul 13, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Thank You
I didn’t realize how much I wrote until after I posted this. I hope others have the time/patience to give it a read.
I agree w/ most of yours
1) !Aaron Miles doesn’t deserve an INC. Deserves and F
2) Theriot deserves a B, to give him an A would to me mean that his defense was stellar. It’s just not.
by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 14, 2009 1:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Well I did Theriot an A-
I’ve been very impressed with Theriot this year. And I also felt there was a week he single handindly won a bunch of our games for the team with a bat alone. I dunno, just personal opinion I guess.
I would have given Miles an F but I read his injury has hurt his performance this year. I’d rather just give him a grade based upon his performance if he returns at the end of the season.
too hard to give grades
because of injury, but I think you did a fine job.
If someone would have told me that Soriano, Ramirez, and Bradley had 24 HR and 71 RBI between them on July 13, I would not have believed it. And it’s no wonder why we are a mid-level team right now?
We most certainly expected about 45 HR and 155 RBI at this point from those 3.
My edits
Guzman A-
Harden D
Heilman D
Lilly A++++++++++++
Zambrano B
Koyie Hill C+
Blanco D
Scales D
Theriot B
Fuld C What are you smoking? A- implies all-star quality in my book. Fuld is a mediocre backup.
Fuld may well be a mediocre back up someday
but so far he has hit over .400 and made several outstanding defensive plays. In the 3 games he was actually allowed to start he played way, way better than Soriano. I don’t expect him to be a permanant starting OF for the Cubs but the team would to better in the short term to bench Sori or put him on the DL while they try to figure out why he is doing so poorly at bat and in the field.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 13, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah, incomplete I can accept
but there’s no way he deserves a C. He has been very good for the Cubs so far, and done everything that the team’s asked him to do and has done it well.
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jul 13, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Fair enough
Personally I am getting a chuckle out of Fuld mania. I have been following for 3 years and got lots of grief from many folks on this group and elsewhere for just believing he would be an effective bench guy. What he has done so far is beyond my wildest hopes but I really do think one should ride the hot hand and he has been exeptional at lead off even for just those 3 games.
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 13, 2009 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey Jessica!
i think you and I are two of Fuld’s biggest supporters around here. But 2 weeks ago when I suggested he get called up and got completely bashed, where were you??? I could’ve used the support. :)
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly
by ambrosiadreams on Jul 13, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions
maybe I was off the net that day
because you would have had it. I suggested the same thing around that time only to have a certain blog “owner” write " Give it up Jessica, Fuld will never be a major league player" . In fairness he has since admitted to the error of his ways.
However did you spend Jan watching the Tigres on ESPN Desportes just to see him bat ?
"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux
by Doggie Stalker on Jul 13, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Fuld mania...
…sort of reminds me of what Chicago fans have usually thought of the backup QB on the Bears.
"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel
I kinda gotta agree with
the TEAM grades…
OFFENSE F
RISP F
STARTING PITCHING A-
PEN C/C-
DEFENSE – A-
SCRAPPY-NESS – B
Starting Position Players – ALL F’s & D’s save for DLEE, Theriot, and A-Ram (of the regulars)
BENCH – C-
BTW - on M.B.
MB has been trending upward. A good sign.
Yesterday after smoking a double off Wainright, of course he gets stranded with one out in a key moment. The bottom of our order blows.
Just how its going this year so far.
How can you give Theriot a C??
Also, Patton and Baker are inc. but you gave Aramis an A? Seems like that may be going on history a bit more than the first half of this year. I’d also bump Harden’s grade to at least a D, maybe a D-, but other than that not bad. All in all I agree with most of these!!
"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly

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