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Cubs Midterm Report Card

Here are MY overall Cubs midterm grades. Collectively, I give the team a C for staying in the hunt despite numerous injuries and atrocious situational hitting and RISP stats. Pitching has been the one "relatively" consistent area that has kept them in contention. 

 

Cubs Midterm Report Card

 

Pitchers (20+ innings pitched)

Ryan Dempster: C

Kevin Gregg: B

Angel Guzman: B

Rich Harden: C-

Aaron Heilman: C-

Ted Lilly: A

Carlos Marmol: C-

Sean Marshall: B-

David Patton: Inc.

Randy Wells: A-

Carlos Zambrano: C+

 

Catchers

Koyie Hill: D+

Geovany Soto: C-

 

Infielders

Jeff Baker: Inc.

Andres Blanco: C+

Mike Fontenot: D

Jake Fox: B+

Micah Hoffpauir: C

Derrek Lee: A-

Aaron Miles: F

Aramis Ramirez: A

Bobby Scales: C+

Ryan Theriot: C

 

Outfielders

Milton Bradley: C-

Kosuke Fukudome: C-

Sam Fuld: A-

Reed Johnson: B

Alfonso Soriano: D+

Poll
Are these grades about right?
Pretty right on the mark
28 votes
Close, but not quite
99 votes
Are you nuts? No way!
30 votes

157 votes | Poll has closed

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LEE
A

REST OF TEAM
D

MILTON
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C

"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks

by dtpollitt on Jul 13, 2009 11:55 AM CDT reply actions  

I was going to do something like this in the next day or so.

So for now, I’ll pass on commenting.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 13, 2009 12:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Please do post something. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts...

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis,
vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque,
Nunc et in saecula saeculorum...
Amen.

by Zeke on Jul 13, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tomorrow.

"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra

by Al Yellon on Jul 13, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tomorrow, tomorrow, I love you, tomorrow it's only a day away.

"Hats for bats.....keep bats warm." - Pedro Cerrano
"Hey bartender, Jobu needs a refill !!!!!!!" - Eddie Harris

by willie mays hayes' gloves on Jul 13, 2009 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here let me add the musical notes: ♪ ♫ ♪ ♫

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by daver on Jul 14, 2009 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agree

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by tucsoncubsfan on Jul 13, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

yes,

Theriot is hitting right around .300 and handling the glove just fine. he isn’t too flashy, but he doesn’t make a lot of errors. he makes the plays he should. scrap that one yesterday looking into the sun, as the same thing happened to the Cards SS a minute later.

Hill has done well with the bat, and he seems to do a real good job with the glove.

by Zakh on Jul 13, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ryan

I think Theriot is one of the best all round players on the team. Not many should be rated higher.

by If we only had Hubbs on Jul 13, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

100% agreed

I can’t stand when everyone keeps poking at him around here just because his defense is a little below average.

"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver

by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 13, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

And, per UZR careerwise, it's not.

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by daver on Jul 13, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

he's actually made some

throwing plays lately that I did not expect him to. Plus, he hasn’t gotten picked off lately. I think.

He’s improving.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 13, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Them Blinders at work again drew...

Theriot got picked off at 1st by Molina this weekend!

Go Cubs Go!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jul 13, 2009 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am

by far, not a Theriot supporter. Sometimes I think you have blinders, and they’re actually ON your eyes.

I didn’t catch all of the games. That’s why I said “I think” at the end of that. Either way, Riot is becoming a better shortstop.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 13, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe you should at least...

watch the games before arguing your opinion about the players that played in them!

Go Cubs Go!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jul 13, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

dood

chillax.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 13, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

whether he watches the games or not

doesn’t matter…… he feels that each player is getting better each game.

by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 14, 2009 1:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

some of them

can’t be much worse

Go Cubs Go!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jul 14, 2009 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

pete's sake

We’re 3.5 games out of first, 1 back in the loss column. That’s with losing our best hitter for 50 games, Lee slumping, Bradley slumping, Soriano slumping, Soto slumping, Fontenot slumping, Harden going on the DL, half the starters spending at least a week on the bench from one month to the next, and a bullpen that was easily the worst in the NL when the season started! The Cards are 3.5 games up with Pujols having a CAREER year in six months! What happens when Ludwick slumps? Or Carpenter gets injured, or Pujol’s arm finally falls off? They’re playing out of their MINDS — and they’re THREE AND A HALF GAMES UP!

How can you NOT look at that and say “we’ve got a chance.”

And I watch or listen to nearly every game. Up till a week ago, I was doing play by play for every game on this board. And it’s irrelevant.

Stop trying to make my level of commitment the issue simply because you don’t like the facts I use to support my arguments.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 14, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have never once said they don't have a chance

This whole argument between you and I started over me giving Bradley a bad grade and saying that he was an epic failure. I believe he has been. I think we have a chance but were gonna have to have key players like him shut the hell up, go to the field and put baseballs into the bleachers and gaps period! He was brought here to tear covers off baseballs on a near daily basis. He is capable of that. If he can do that and just half of all others can produce to their normal levels we can make it to the playoffs!

I’m usually not Captain Negative but I have been pissed off about this team for weeks and had to get it out. I’m gonna sit here enjoy the rest of my day watch the All-Star game without any of our offensive guys in it and get ready for the 2nd half. The End!

Go Cubs Go!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jul 14, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought he was brought here

Because he had the highest .OBP in the American League. Last time I checked, while his hitting has improved so has his walk count.

by ak123 on Jul 14, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wait a second?

I thought you weren’t allowed to have an opinion since you don’t watch as many games as cubsluver?

So confused????

by ak123 on Jul 14, 2009 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know

it’s a conundrum, although all of this arguing appears to have ended with him basically saying “i was in a bad mood, sorry.”

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 15, 2009 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh I missed that post on here

I went on here, read the entire thing and got really turned off at how some people (not you) have to attack others opinions and claiming if you’re not as “big” of a fan then your opinion doesn’t matter.

by ak123 on Jul 15, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

might have been on a different post.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 15, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it was in a couple different threads.

Here’s one of them.

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by daver on Jul 15, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

My changes

Carlos Zambrano: B
Ryan Theriot: A-
Angel Guzman: A
Randy Wells: A

"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver

by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 13, 2009 12:17 PM CDT reply actions  

A little high for Theriot and Guzman

But not bad. I’d also give Marshall a B+.

by elgato on Jul 13, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why

Did anyone expect Guz to be this good? Plus, Theriot has supplied unexpected power.

"That pitch wasn’t down and in, that pitch was down and up." Tim McCarver

by wrigleyrocker12 on Jul 13, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

theriot's OBP is way down

And Guzman has been very good, but not great.

by elgato on Jul 13, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is your grade of Marshall

as a pitcher or as a left fielder?

"It's been my policy to view the Internet not as an 'information highway,' but as an electronic asylum filled with babbling loonies." - Mike Royko

by DTJchris on Jul 13, 2009 12:17 PM CDT reply actions  

LOL

A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings. ~Earl Wilson

by tucsoncubsfan on Jul 13, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh! I forgot about that! Then he gets an A+++++++++++ like in "A Christmas Story"...

Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis,
vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque,
Nunc et in saecula saeculorum...
Amen.

by Zeke on Jul 13, 2009 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

The team is at .500

The team should get a C- overall. Some things were out of their control. A healthy Aramis all season long would mean the Cubs would probably be in first or second place right now. The confidence level would also be higher. When I saw Aramis go down in May, my first reaction was, “There goes the season.” While that’s a knee jerk reaction, I think we don’t appreciate Aramis Ramirez enough. If he can at least get some of his power back, the Cubs have a fighting chance in the second half. They just need to stay in it and not lose too much ground because St. Louis is the real deal this year.

And the eighth and final rule: if this is your first time at Fight Club, you have to fight.

by Ace Venom on Jul 13, 2009 12:27 PM CDT reply actions  

D+ or C-

This team was supposed to waltz through this division and is only a .500 team. I know more than their share of injuries have hampered them but i think we should expect better.Soriano and Bradley are F’s for sure.How anyone could give them a passing is beyond me

by plenz on Jul 13, 2009 12:44 PM CDT reply actions  

I think grades should...

be proportionate to role.
Micah, Jake, Andres, Bobby, and Koyie have all done about as good as we can expect.

This season IS over. -BLou 6/30/09

by Kansas25 on Jul 13, 2009 1:02 PM CDT reply actions  

I disagree with Zambrano

He has 12 quality starts in 16 games started. He’s had some bad outings, but he’s been fairly consistent.

I also disagree with Marshall. In terms of relieving, he has been great.

by cufban2522 on Jul 13, 2009 1:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Incomplete for Ramirez; F for Soriano; C for Team

He hit well before the injury. He hasn’t played enough to give him an A. Sori showed signs of life over the weekend at the plate. Overall, he has been dreadful this season. I’d definitely give him an F. The team as a whole gets a C for being an average .500 club so far.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Jul 13, 2009 1:06 PM CDT reply actions  

He's Been the Reverse of D-Lee

Sori hit 12 HR’s early on while D-Lee looked pathetic in April. I would have given D-Lee an F for his April performance. Since then, Lee has been hot, and Sori’s been cold. I didn’t expect Sori to be hitting in the .230’s. He’s a better hitter than that. He no longer bats leadoff. Sori’s been a real disappointment this season. Sori did hit the ball better over the weekend, so I believe he can get on another one of his hot streaks in the second half. Even with his April included, his first half was terrible.

"The big possums walk late." - Harry Caray

by memphiscub on Jul 13, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

D+ for Koyie

seems a little bit harsh. He, to me, seems to have done a nice job filling in for Geo when asked. The pitching staff seems to be relatively comfortable with him behind the dish and while I know his bat isn’t going to draw any comparisons to Joe Mauer, he seems to step up with a big hit every now and again. Meh, my $.02 anyway.

"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark

by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jul 13, 2009 1:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Theriot at least a B

The guy has been solid, especially as of late. He’s put together some nice games at the plate and has been good in the field (lost fly ball in the sun aside).

I also would argue that Aramis should be an incomplete, because he’s missed so many games … while he’s been good since his rehab, he’s only played 24 games.

Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb.

by junkhorse on Jul 13, 2009 1:38 PM CDT reply actions  

My Opinion

Cubs Midterm Report Card

 

Pitchers (20+ innings pitched)

Ryan Dempster: C agree

Kevin Gregg: B agree

Angel Guzman: B agree

Rich Harden: C- agree

Aaron Heilman: C- DO NOT AGREE Heilman gets an F Dump him now

Ted Lilly: A should read A+

Carlos Marmol: C- Let’s remember he is next in the majors in holds I believe. He needs help in that pen. He shouldn’t have the weight of the team on his shoulders every game!

Sean Marshall: B- agree

David Patton: Inc.

Randy Wells: A- He should only have 1 loss maybe 2. He gets an A+ keep up the good work Wells. Fine player

Carlos Zambrano: C+ should be a D carlos you have been a failure!

 

Catchers

Koyie Hill: D+ Heavily disagree, been a wonderful backup; I give him a B+

Geovany Soto: C- agree stop smoking the good stuff and get back on that weight loss program

 

Infielders

Jeff Baker: Inc.

Andres Blanco: C+ agree he is what he is

Mike Fontenot: D Not really his fault but I gotta agree.

Jake Fox: B+ He gets a A+ Nice job Jake

Micah Hoffpauir: C agree

Derrek Lee: A- A little high but I will agree

Aaron Miles: F agree dump this bum

Aramis Ramirez: A agree

Bobby Scales: C+ ahhh was a great story scales.

Ryan Theriot: C Disagree cheap ss who is a tweener. Not a great hitter or fielder but does a good job everyday for near minimum money. Work on that damn baserunning!

 

Outfielders

Milton Bradley: C- (way to high, He gets an F)

Kosuke Fukudome: C- agree

Sam Fuld: A- agree but let’s stop getting so caught up in these types

Reed Johnson: B I love Reed

Alfonso Soriano: D+ Sori has had times he has carried us so I will give him a C

I’m gonna add 1 (LOU) Epic Failure—I like you Lou but your constant lineup changing is way past old. Stop using Marmol so much, especially when it’s basically a mop up role. Get a little more ascertaive (however you spell it Sue is gonna yell at me) with your team. If Alan Trammel can’t correct the baserunning blunders fire his ass! We can’t keep giving away outs!

Go Cubs Go!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jul 13, 2009 1:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Zambrano is a failure?

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 13, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think he has been!

He’s being paid as a #1 starter. He’s been given the #1 starter role. Well you know what I think he should pitch like it! Anything less is unacceptable and a failure! That’s his job—by golly go do it!

Go Cubs Go!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jul 13, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

His job is to be a really good pitcher.

At that he generally succeeds.

Not only is the “He’s paid as a #1 starter” thing really dumb and meaningless, it’s not true, unless you consider AJ Burnett and Derek Lowe #1 starters.

He’s being paid comparably to other pitchers of comparable value.

by Wreckard on Jul 13, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Agreed, rec'd.

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by daver on Jul 13, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

...

um. Well, I think he’s certainly doing his best. I always find it interesting how fans are so ready to blame players for being lazy or not-motivates.

ps: “assertive”.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 13, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

An F? Really?
Milton Bradley: C- (way to high, He gets an F)

He’s been about league average this year in RF. He hasn’t been the hitter we’d hoped, but appears to have finally started figuring things out. In the meantime, he’s gotten on base almost 4/10 times he’s come to the plate, and played quality defense if right.

The only thing he’s failed to do is mend your broken heart over Derosa leaving. He should have sent the fans all greeting cards or something. Maybe with a haiku in it or something.

About Derosa
He’s just above average
Your man crush is dumb

by Wreckard on Jul 13, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

From: Milton To: Cubsluver22:

I know I replaced
someone quite dear to your heart
Here. Have OBP.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 13, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

yes really

Milton Bradley has been freaking awful! On top of that are his circus side shows. Stop wearing blinders!

Go Cubs Go!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jul 13, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

and, in fact

they have.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 13, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

You wear blinders

So even having a conversation with you is a waste of my time!

Go Cubs Go!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jul 13, 2009 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

how nuanced

well-versed and complex.

Your signature should be “Go Cubs Go (offer not valid for those Cubs I unreasonably dislike.)”

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 13, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

My favorite pasttime is baseball

My favorite team is the Cubs. I’m all things Cubs. I watch almost every single game and have for the majority of my life. I spend alot of money on memorabilia etc. I don’t usually moan and groan too much but this current team is very disappointing. Sorry I’m not you I won’t say a player is good when their not. I realize your outlook is always positive and that’s fine but don’t flame me for stating the truth as I see it.

Go Cubs Go!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jul 13, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't mind

reasonable criticism. So far, you’ve been proven wrong about everything you’d said about Bradley. Some perspective would be nice.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 13, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

6 hr's 21 rbi horrible avg

I don’t think I have been proven wrong about anything. Ask around to fans of other teams and see what they tell you about Bradley. I have numerous friends of various other teams. The consensus of their opinions is Wow Milton Bradley is awful. Your defending a player that shouldn’t be defended. I want him to light it up after the break and don’t see any reason why he can’t but again I will state my opinion—thus far he has been an epic failure!

Go Cubs Go!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jul 13, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

But you've barely mentioned his performance as the reason you dislike him

You’re a lot more concerned about who he is than what he’s doing on the field.

Watching you try to explain your irrational personal dislike of Bradley is like watching a clinical film explaining what cognitive dissonance is.

by Wreckard on Jul 13, 2009 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

and watching you all

trying to defend him is sickening.

Go Cubs Go!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jul 13, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why is it sickening?

You’re acting like I’m defending a murderer. Again your reaction to Bradley is so out of whack with his crimes that there must be more to it.

by Wreckard on Jul 13, 2009 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

once again

you fail to bring legitimate criticism to bear. Lee was batting terribly before he got hot. Rami missed FIFTY GAMES, and hasn’t done anything big since he got back. Nobody on the team was hitting well for a while.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 13, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

fans?

I’m not going to take a fan’s word for it. Not when I have a list of a dozen players and more who all say that Milton Bradley is a stand up guy, who plays hard and wants to win, and is a good team-mate.

Once again. Perspective. Getz some.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 13, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

lmao

Stand up guy!! —-Yeah stand up and cry!

Wanting to win and doing what it takes to actually do it are two different things.

Once again take off your blinders and stop letting your team allegiance rule the facts.

Go Cubs Go!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jul 13, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

so a fan's word

about a player is more valid then a team-mates. Got it.

o.0

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 13, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dont expect a teammate....

to point all the bad. I call it like i SEE IT!

Go Cubs Go!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jul 14, 2009 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

and you see

perhaps 15% of what’s actually going on. You’re not in the clubhouse. You’re not at the practices. You’re not on the plane or in the hotel. You’re not in Lou’s office.

By all reasonable and knowledgeable accounts, Milton Bradley is a stand-up guy who plays hard and wants to win, accepts responsibility for his part when he doesn’t, and is a great team-mate.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 14, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Your opinions aren't facts.

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by daver on Jul 14, 2009 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

It may be a fact...

…that a consensus of your friends who follow other teams think Milton Bradley sucks. But that doesn’t make it true. It’s still just their opinion – and yours.

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by daver on Jul 14, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Here's a fact

In this fan-post your personality sucks.

And that’s just from reading your responses to people who disagreed with you.

by ak123 on Jul 14, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Absolutely. Recommended....btw....

"I'm not much of a chemistry guy, you know. Chemistry to me is a pinch-hit double with the bases loaded"--Jim Frey, Chicago Tribune, 1985.

by zevkalman on Jul 13, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Loud standing ovation!!!

I’m calling for an encore!!

People can’t stand players like milt and z simply because they want to hate someone…

Hater…lol

by bilbosbuttons on Jul 13, 2009 4:23 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

People can't players Like Milton

Because he is a crybaby who always finds ways to rub people the wrong way. Instead of brushing the chip off his shoulder and do his job, he seemingly goes into every day with the though that everyone is out to get him. We signed him to be a great hitter. Ryan Theriot is out hitting him. All I want as a fan is for Milton to shut up, go out every day and and deposit balls into the bleachers or gaps, so that we can win.

Go Cubs Go!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jul 13, 2009 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

oh, come on

The situation against the White Sox was a LOT more than Bradley getting insulted by Lou and handling it without losing his temper. Setting aside the mental mistake (meh), there were a few things Milton did to bring out Lou’s wrath:

1) Be among the team leaders in helmets thrown, bats slammed, etc.

2) Complain to and about umpires, to and about the media and talk about how he felt isolated in the club house.

3) Not perform to expectations.

No one else on the 2009 Cubs has had that marvelous trifecta. Soriano has been really terrible, but he’s not committed acts one or two (at least, not that often). Z is crazy, but he has pitched better than Milton has hit. Aaron MIles is amazingly bad, but he is so quietly. I could go on …

Describing the situation last month at the Cell as Milton getting insulted without losing his temper doesn’t really see the forest for the trees. That said, I’m probably rooting for Milton more than any other Cub right now, because I think a big second half from him is more than possible and hugely important.

But you say that these actions, by another player, would be forgotten about in a week. Well, his past actions (this season and throughout his career) make future mistakes a bigger deal. Think Drew Peterson.

by elgato on Jul 13, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

But see that's the thing
Well, his past actions (this season and throughout his career) make future mistakes a bigger deal.

None of his actions throughout his career are really that big. There are players on this team who have done far worse than he has (Zambrano and Lilly attacking people in their own dugouts for example) who don’t get this echo chamber of media scrutiny put on everything they do and say.

Think Drew Peterson.

Um….

by Wreckard on Jul 13, 2009 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Think Drew Peterson.

… so the other day, someone compared Soriano to Robert Mugabe.

I can’t decide if this is worse or not. Seriously? A murderer? Milton Bradley is like a cop who murdered at least one woman and probably two?

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 13, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

All that is overkill

but Milton is just wanna those people whether his fault or not that trouble seems to find. He’s exactly what we don’t need!

Go Cubs Go!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jul 13, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

let's see

if you’re saying that in December.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 13, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

6 Hr's 21 RBI .243 avg for Bradley

Heck even Theriot is beating that with 7 hr’s 30 rbi and .299 avg. That’s awful!! He’s hurt constantly. He’s been suspended already this year. He’s been sent home. He cries about everything. Poor Milton. Oh and let’s not forget his defense. I can think of several blunders this year. I’m all for him getting better in the 2nd half but he’s been awful the 1st half.

Go Cubs Go!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jul 13, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

He’s hurt constantly.

He’s been extremely healthy this season, apart from a 10 day stint 2.5 months ago…

He’s been suspended already this year.

For 2 games. Why does that bother you so much?

He’s been sent home.

Because his manager lost his shit and called him a name.

He cries about everything.

Again, why does that bother you so much? Bradley’s biggest problem is that he says what’s on his mind. He probably overshares. But don’t people want candor from their athletes?

by Wreckard on Jul 13, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

The one thing I'll say about Bradley...

and i’ll admit, I’ve been against his signing from day one, is that he really wants to win. He genuinely cares what happens to this team, and I think that’s what gets him in “trouble” sometimes. I’m definitely rooting for the guy, and though he wasn’t my first choice, he’s here now…so let’s remember what uniform he wears and treat him like a hometown guy.

"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly

by ambrosiadreams on Jul 13, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

And he often says really humble, insightful things -

- but those things never really get much play around here.

"I’ve been working ever so hard to get my stroke, get my rhythm, get my eye, and to end it like that was disappointing," Bradley said, calling the last at-bat [last night against the Cardinals] "terrible."

    "I walked about 37 times today," he said. "Suddenly, I’m going to take a third strike right there? I got my rhythm, I feel good. I’m sure on [ESPN’s] ‘K-Zone’ it was a ball. It’s disappointing, but what can you do? You move on. It ain’t the first time, it won’t be the last."

    "Don’t read the newspapers, don’t watch TV, just play," he said. "We’ve got everything we need right here. If we stay together in here, cut out all the outside [stuff], we’ll be fine. There’s way too much hoopla, there’s way too much talk, there’s way too much speculation.

    "We’re a team—25 guys going out there every day, grinding. You play 162 games for a reason. It doesn’t matter where you’re at right now. The Cardinals haven’t won jack."

    "I understand what I’m doing wrong," Bradley said. "I looked at my tape from last year. I feel it now. So when I tell you I’m back, I’m back. You can mark it down. I’ll be hitting for the rest of the year. I’m back."

by Wreckard on Jul 13, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

By all acounts

from everything I’ve read, his teammates have always really loved him. That certainly says something. I think it’s more the media/front office that has a problem with his intensity.

"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly

by ambrosiadreams on Jul 13, 2009 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

heh

“The Cardinals haven’t won jack.” — Milton Bradley

If we take the division from them, I may make that my signature. :D

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 13, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

one game

actually. The suspension was reduced to one game.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 13, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh Geez

Don’t blame that mess on Bradley. Poor Bradley got what he deserved for throwing his little temper tantrum. Poor baby!! stop making excuses for him.

Go Cubs Go!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jul 13, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not making excuses.

I’m pointing out what happened and asking why you dislike him so much.

Like a lot of people on here your dislike of him far exceeds anything he’s ever done. Which would be hilarious if it weren’t so pathetic.

by Wreckard on Jul 13, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because he's a great, exciting player.

Because the way Cubs fans have treated him this season has made me embarrassed to identify myself with them.

But most of all it’s because I think it’s hilarious to watch people squirm and spit out excuse after excuse as to why they’re filled with such vitriol on the subject.

by Wreckard on Jul 13, 2009 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it's hilarious

to watch fans like you defend an under performing player who is a circus side show on and off the field!

Go Cubs Go!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jul 13, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

because

he deserves defending.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 13, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Your really not worthy..

of discussing player’s performance with me since you just told me that you haven’t even been watching all the games. You stated Theriot hasn’t been picked and again I proved you wrong. Watch the games and don’t be a highlight reel or boxscore fan. Then come back and will discuss player’s performance.

Go Cubs Go!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jul 13, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

are you serious?

I took the first three or four innings off of three games, and this is what you’re going to say?

Wow. You sure got a big-ass chip on your shoulder, son. Box-score fan. That’s gotta be about the funniest thing I’ve heard all day.

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 13, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

you stated

Theriot hasn’t been picked off in awhile—right or wrong? I then corrected you yet again. He got picked of by Molina this weekend.

Go Cubs Go!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jul 14, 2009 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

I said

“I think.” I forgot. So what?

Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.

by drewishdrewid on Jul 14, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

So you watch every single inning of every game?

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by daver on Jul 14, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

I certainly don't argue opinions

about a player’s in game performances without seeing with my own eye

Go Cubs Go!!!!

by cubsluver22 on Jul 14, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

He made a mistake, which he admitted to.

And you didn’t answer the question.

I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.

by daver on Jul 14, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pretty Close, but here's what I'd change:

Gregg: C (he’s been an average closer)
Marshall: B+ (his role is consistently undefined, but he’s been outstanding at times)

Soto: C (he’s been an average catcher)
Hill: C (average backup catcher)

Ramierez: D (hasn’t contributed much to the team)
Scales: B (unexpected contributer)
Theriot: B (already a career HR year)
Dome: B (great april and july, generally an A defender, obp leader)

Neither Heilman or Bradley should get passing grades: D

Come visit me inside Wrigley along the Addison side mezzanine fence straight up from 1st base.

by section229beer on Jul 13, 2009 1:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Or an incomplete,

though he’s been on the 40-man roster the whole year.

Critical, yes.
Ridiculous, please. So is the notion of giving letter grades to baseball players.
Have you ever passed a class after missing roughly 75% of the tests?

Come visit me inside Wrigley along the Addison side mezzanine fence straight up from 1st base.

by section229beer on Jul 13, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

incomplete, sure

But Ramirez, while he’s been on the field, has played very well. As far as giving grades to baseball players, you weighed in on this, too. You accepted the premise.

by elgato on Jul 13, 2009 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ryan Dempster: B- Dempster hasn’t been as effective as last year but he’s still a solid starter but there’s room for improvement.

Kevin Gregg: B He came into Chicago with an aurora surrounding that he was the Kerry Wood replacement. He’s been effective on most accounts in closing but to get an A you should be perfect in saves.

Angel Guzman: A- For the most part he has done everything asked of him. He came onto a team where he could have easily been sent down to AAA. Instead, he’s found a niche at being a 7th or 8th inning reliever and has offered needed competition to Heilman and Marmol.

Rich Harden: C When Harden is bad, he’s bad. When he’s good, he’s our best pitcher. He’s been on the DL once but it was very minor. There’s all the reason to believe he’ll improve and there’s room for improvement. I would have given him a C- but he moves up a grade for working on his batting this year.

Aaron Heilman: B- I’m being generous. He gets a B- because Lou should know how to use him better. Heilman is not good when he has inherited runners. In fact, last night he probably shouldn’t have been pitching in the 9th. However, when Heilman starts in innings, he’s been effective and had a very good June.

Ted Lilly: A Lilly has been great this year. Anytime you have a win/loss well over .500 with a .500 team you’re doing your job (see Zambrano in 2006). Lilly is on pace to have over 15 wins again for third straight year as a Cub.

Carlos Marmol: D If it were anyone else I’d give them a D. Our most feared reliever by batters is now most feared by fans. Lose the walks and you get a B+. He still has only given up like 25 hits in 42 innings which is excellent.

Sean Marshall: B+ This guy takes everything in stride. He moves to bullpen and contributes. He starts and he does OK with little run support. However he seems to have found his niche as a reliever and left fielder.

David Patton: C He might not be major league ready but he’s on the team. He’s pitched some bad games but there have been times when Cubs have needed him to step in for 2 innings and he’s done great. He’s in over his head at the time but has performed at what we all thought he would.

Randy Wells: A Who knew what to expect from Wells. He surpassed every expectation so far. He’s had only 2 poor games (if you want to count last night as poor) and should have 3 more wins than his record says. He might end up having best ERA at end of the season.

Carlos Zambrano: B He’s pitched very well for most of the year. He’s done even better in the last 5 starts. We know what to expect from Z and had he been healthy all year, it might be better.

Catchers

Koyie Hill: C He’s hit and caught as expected and no better. So he gets a C.

Geovany Soto: D+ He should be playing better. There was an improvement and when he returns from injury he might be in old form. Who even knows how long Soto was hurt before being on a DL. That might explain his slow start.

Infielders

Jeff Baker: Inc.

Andres Blanco: B- C for his bat and B+ for his glove = B-.

Mike Fontenot: C- He can only improve and has over the last 10 games. He was in a tough spot this Spring working at 3B for many games.

Jake Fox: B – Still too small of a sample size. He can’t be any lower than a B but by end of the season I’ll hopefully give him an A.

Micah Hoffpauir: C+ He hasn’t hit well, strikes out a lot and doesn’t talk walks. But the hits he has had have been game changing. I can’t give below a C+ for someone who has helped us win games.

Derrek Lee: A . I’d give him an A+ if we were in first place. DLee has done all he can to get this team winning. Without him, we could be 10 under .500.

Aaron Miles: Inc. He’s been injured. We might not even see him for rest of the season. And I dislike him too much to want to write anymore.

Aramis Ramirez: INC – In a month I can re-evaluate this.

Bobby Scales: C A nice spark plug and story but he wasn’t doing anything to help the team.

Ryan Theriot: A- Nice bit a power, solid batting average, nice defense lately. He has done well. Anyone who gives him below a B just doesn’t like him and will never give him credit for his hard work.

 Outfielders

Milton Bradley: C – He’s improved and his .OBP has jumped. He’s heating up and should do better. Plus, Chicago is not a good city for him with the media but he hasn’t cracked yet.

Kosuke Fukudome: C His OBP in June was even more horrific than his batting average. He seems to do well in the leadoff spot so there is hope.
Sam Fuld: A-

Reed Johnson: B- He just hasn’t played enough to get a higher grade even with his excellent defense.

Alfonso Soriano: F Even with a torrid April, he has failed in almost everything else. He has improved since moving down the lineup but with a gigantic salary, he must do better. The big question is, would Cubs have been better had he gotten his “annual injury” for the last 40 games?

by ak123 on Jul 13, 2009 2:04 PM CDT reply actions  

very well written.

I give you a Lilly-like grade!!

"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly

by ambrosiadreams on Jul 13, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thank You

I didn’t realize how much I wrote until after I posted this. I hope others have the time/patience to give it a read.

by ak123 on Jul 13, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree w/ most of yours

1) !Aaron Miles doesn’t deserve an INC. Deserves and F
2) Theriot deserves a B, to give him an A would to me mean that his defense was stellar. It’s just not.

by Madison Cub Fan on Jul 14, 2009 1:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well I did Theriot an A-

I’ve been very impressed with Theriot this year. And I also felt there was a week he single handindly won a bunch of our games for the team with a bat alone. I dunno, just personal opinion I guess.

I would have given Miles an F but I read his injury has hurt his performance this year. I’d rather just give him a grade based upon his performance if he returns at the end of the season.

by ak123 on Jul 14, 2009 7:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

too hard to give grades

because of injury, but I think you did a fine job.

If someone would have told me that Soriano, Ramirez, and Bradley had 24 HR and 71 RBI between them on July 13, I would not have believed it. And it’s no wonder why we are a mid-level team right now?

We most certainly expected about 45 HR and 155 RBI at this point from those 3.

by socalbob on Jul 13, 2009 2:07 PM CDT reply actions  

My edits

Guzman A-
Harden D
Heilman D
Lilly A++++++++++++
Zambrano B
Koyie Hill C+
Blanco D
Scales D
Theriot B
Fuld C What are you smoking? A- implies all-star quality in my book. Fuld is a mediocre backup.

by Poloplaya14 on Jul 13, 2009 5:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Fuld may well be a mediocre back up someday

but so far he has hit over .400 and made several outstanding defensive plays. In the 3 games he was actually allowed to start he played way, way better than Soriano. I don’t expect him to be a permanant starting OF for the Cubs but the team would to better in the short term to bench Sori or put him on the DL while they try to figure out why he is doing so poorly at bat and in the field.

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on Jul 13, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

All right, changed my mind

Fuld should get an incomplete since he’s been here for all of 1 week.

by Poloplaya14 on Jul 13, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, incomplete I can accept

but there’s no way he deserves a C. He has been very good for the Cubs so far, and done everything that the team’s asked him to do and has done it well.

"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly

by ambrosiadreams on Jul 13, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

Personally I am getting a chuckle out of Fuld mania. I have been following for 3 years and got lots of grief from many folks on this group and elsewhere for just believing he would be an effective bench guy. What he has done so far is beyond my wildest hopes but I really do think one should ride the hot hand and he has been exeptional at lead off even for just those 3 games.

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on Jul 13, 2009 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey Jessica!

i think you and I are two of Fuld’s biggest supporters around here. But 2 weeks ago when I suggested he get called up and got completely bashed, where were you??? I could’ve used the support. :)

"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly

by ambrosiadreams on Jul 13, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe I was off the net that day

because you would have had it. I suggested the same thing around that time only to have a certain blog “owner” write " Give it up Jessica, Fuld will never be a major league player" . In fairness he has since admitted to the error of his ways.
However did you spend Jan watching the Tigres on ESPN Desportes just to see him bat ?

"I daydream just like everybody else, I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."- Greg Maddux

by Doggie Stalker on Jul 13, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Fuld mania...

…sort of reminds me of what Chicago fans have usually thought of the backup QB on the Bears.

"I don't like them fellas that drive in two runs but let in three" Casey Stengel

by MPH73 on Jul 13, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I kinda gotta agree with

the TEAM grades…

OFFENSE F

RISP F

STARTING PITCHING A-

PEN C/C-

DEFENSE – A-

SCRAPPY-NESS – B

Starting Position Players – ALL F’s & D’s save for DLEE, Theriot, and A-Ram (of the regulars)

BENCH – C-

by The E-Man on Jul 13, 2009 6:36 PM CDT reply actions  

BTW - on M.B.

MB has been trending upward. A good sign.

Yesterday after smoking a double off Wainright, of course he gets stranded with one out in a key moment. The bottom of our order blows.

Just how its going this year so far.

by The E-Man on Jul 13, 2009 6:38 PM CDT reply actions  

How can you give Theriot a C??

Also, Patton and Baker are inc. but you gave Aramis an A? Seems like that may be going on history a bit more than the first half of this year. I’d also bump Harden’s grade to at least a D, maybe a D-, but other than that not bad. All in all I agree with most of these!!

"Yes, dear. You're right. I'm sorry." -Bob Brenly

by ambrosiadreams on Jul 13, 2009 7:04 PM CDT reply actions  

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