Cubs All-Star Break Report Card
Expanding on BCB reader Zeke's "Midterm Report Card" posted yesterday, I thought I'd chime in with my own midseason grades.
I'll post letter grades and comments for the current 25-man roster plus four of the five players currently on the 15-day DL (I don't think you really need a letter grade for Chad Fox, do you?) -- Ryan Dempster, Geovany Soto, Aaron Miles and David Patton.
First, let's assign an overall grade for the team. That's got to be a C+. A team with an average record would, taking the grading system absolutely literally, get a C. Right? That's smack in the middle of the grading curve and the Cubs are quite literally exactly that. Not only do they have a .500 record, but they are very nearly dead even in runs scored and runs allowed. With 355 runs scored and 353 runs allowed, the Pythagorean run-projection system would predict a .500 record. It's not quite that simple, of course; the 353 runs allowed is the third-fewest in the National League (in fact, third-fewest in the majors, since the fewest in the AL is Seattle's 366).
So the pitching staff, despite injuries, gets an A-. The offense, though, ranks 15th in runs scored (and 14th in BA, 13th in OBA, and 13th in SLG). It's been, to use a phrase quoted here regarding Jake Fox's defense a while back, "a notch above horrific". D- for the Cubs offense to date.
Now, on to comments regarding individual players, separated by position.
Catcher: Geovany Soto, C-. Geo might have been worse had he not started to hit on May 12. From that date till he suffered the oblique injury in BP last week, he hit .264/.358/.507 with 8 HR and 23 RBI in 44 games, not too far off his pace from last year. That type of injury is tough to come back from, so who knows when he'll be back. Count this as a lost year for Geo; if he works hard next offseason, he could still come back to last year's level.
Catcher: Koyie Hill, B. That grade may sound high, but Hill has done exactly what he's been asked to do. .213/.300/.315 isn't a great line, but he's a backup catcher. Most of them can't hit. Hill plays good defense and every once in a while, comes up with a key hit. This is one offseason move that actually worked.
First base: Derrek Lee, A-. D-Lee got off to a horrendous start and was hitting .189 on May 1. Since then he has posted a .313/.390/.591 line in 55 games, with 16 HR and 47 RBI -- MVP-type numbers. If he can keep this up in the second half, that's one part of the puzzle of getting those who have hit in the past to do so again.
Second base: Mike Fontenot, C-. Fontenot's numbers are down and you can't blame simply playing him every day -- he's hitting .236/.322/.369 vs. RHP. It was telling that Lou sat him for Jeff Baker vs. RHP the last couple of days before the break.
Second base: Jeff Baker, Incomplete. Baker is 3-for-14 as a Cub; too early to tell.
Second base: Aaron Miles, F. I can't think of a single time that Miles did anything to help his club win.
Shortstop: Ryan Theriot, B+. Theriot started driving the ball to hit with more power at Lou's suggestion, and after an adjustment period, he has kept his batting average up and still hit with more pop. His .299/.354/.423 line gives him a .777 OPS -- if he could bump that up just a bit to .800, he'd be a very useful player.
Third base: Aramis Ramirez, Incomplete. A-Ram was off to a fine start when he suffered the shoulder injury on May 8. He is 6-for-24 -- all singles -- since his return. I hope the break helps him get more strength back, as well as his timing. He may not hit for his previous power till next year.
Infield: Andres Blanco, B-. Blanco doesn't hit much, but he's not expected to. He plays good defense and can bunt when asked. He serves a useful spot as the 25th man.
Left field: Alfonso Soriano, D-. Wow, has he been bad this year. Or more correctly, for some of this year. On May 17, he was hitting .280/.343/.580 with 12 HR and 25 RBI in 35 games, seemingly on the way to one of his better years. The Cubs, not coincidentally, were 21-14, their high point of the season at seven games over .500. Since that date he's hit .196/.262/.280 with 2 HR and 8 RBI and the Cubs have gone 22-29. I'm not saying Soriano's performance is solely responsible for the poor play over that period -- but we all know how he can carry a team when he's hot. It does not seem possible that he suddenly forgot to hit or lost his abilities in the middle of a season. Therefore, the only conclusion I can draw is that he's been playing hurt and refusing to go on the DL. If he's still hurt starting Thursday, the Cubs have to seriously consider putting him there, whether he wants to go or not.
Center field: Kosuke Fukudome, C. Again, a mid-May stop in production. On May 15 he was hitting .340/.462/.557 with 4 HR and 17 RBI. Since: .190/.296/.327 with 3 HR and 10 RBI. His overall OPS of .787 is better than last year, and he still leads the team in walks with 43. Platooning seems to help -- he's got an .803 OPS vs. RHP.
Right field: Milton Bradley, C-. My position on Bradley is well-known, so I won't go into detail. I proposed the other day that he be tried at leadoff, since he is drawing more walks lately and in the absence of his RBI bat, why not use him where he could actually do the team some good? Since June 29 he is hitting .303/.511/.455 in 13 games -- note the OBA higher than the SLG -- so perhaps there is hope for Bradley.
Outfield: Reed Johnson, C. Johnson's numbers are down a bit from last year and he again spent time on the DL with back problems. If healthy (and he appears to be now) and if he can bump his production up to last year's level, he is one of the better 4th OF in the league.
Outfield: Sam Fuld, B. It's hard to give a grade for 16 at-bats, but Fuld plays hard and has produced while he's been in the lineup. I'd like to see him stick around.
Bench: Micah Hoffpauir, C+. Hoffpauir's numbers are down from last year, and I had hoped he'd hit closer to .300 than the .244 he's posted so far. His 8 HR have helped, including the three-run job he hit in Sunday's first game. His outfield play has been acceptable; I had worried that he'd be horrendous out there, but he's actually been a decent backup outfielder.
Bench: Jake Fox, B-. It was well-known that Fox could hit major league pitching, but there was that "notch above horrific" knock on his defense. Finally pressed into service at 3B after virtually everyone in the known universe said "TRY HIM THERE!", he was... well, not horrific. There's no reason he shouldn't have been playing there within a week of A-Ram's injury. Fox is better suited to DH'ing, but I'd like to see him stay anyway.
Starting pitcher: Carlos Zambrano, B. Z has had, as he often does, some good games... and some bad ones. He has pitched at least six innings in 13 of his 16 starts and his ERA of 3.53 is just about his career average. He's got to step that up in the second half. Give some credit for his hitting, too: 3 HR and a .719 OPS. In fact, among all pitchers who have at least 500 career plate appearances, Z has the fourth-highest career SLG (.393) and the best of anyone whose career began in the expansion era.
Starting pitcher: Ted Lilly, A-. Congrats to Ted on his All-Star selection, his second, well-deserved. He has gone at least six innings in 16 of his 18 starts. And look what the maitre'd of the Italian Village restaurant, celebrating 50 years in that job, said about Ted in today's Tribune:
Favorite recent visitor: "A pitcher for the Cubs was here, Ted Lilly, one of the most beautiful persons there is. Him and his wife both. Unbelievable."
Starting pitcher: Ryan Dempster, Incomplete. Despite the serious illness of his infant daughter, Dempster went at least six innings in 15 of his 17 starts before the bizarre broken toe incident. That'll heal and I expect him to come back strong in a few weeks.
Starting pitcher: Rich Harden, D. Harden has been far from the dominant pitcher the Cubs got from the A's last year. He's had a couple of dominant starts where you think he's going to get back there, and then he gets pounded again. The Cubs need him to get back on track.
Starting pitcher: Randy Wells, A-. I cannot say enough good things about Randy Wells, who was barely on the radar screen during most of his Cubs career; they thought so little of him a year ago that they let him go in the Rule 5 draft. Thanks to the Blue Jays for sending him back; Wells is a ROY candidate, and if he had enough innings to qualify, his 2.72 ERA would rank fourth in the NL.
Swingman: Sean Marshall, B. Marshall is being misused as a LOOGY by Lou, but he has done as he's been asked. Since June 1, when moved to the bullpen full-time, he has a 1.80 ERA in 15 innings covering 18 appearances. Only 5% of his inherited runners have scored, best in the NL.
Relief pitcher: Kevin Gregg, B+. After a rough start, Gregg has become one of the more reliable closers in the NL. He has saved 16 in 18 chances, and since that nasty meltdown vs. the Astros on May 16, he has a 1.48 ERA in 24 appearances covering 24 innings, with 6 walks, 22 strikeouts, and only 2 HR allowed. This has turned out to be another good pickup by Jim Hendry.
Relief pitcher: Carlos Marmol, C. Marmol's troubles with control have been well-documented and discussed on this site. He has to get that back to be successful in the second half, and the Cubs need him to do that. It's just that simple.
Relief pitcher: Angel Guzman, A-. Guzman, once heralded as "the next Zambrano" in the Cubs farm system, suffered through several years of injuries before becoming the most reliable reliever in the 2009 bullpen. He may be the closer-in-waiting, rather than Marmol. Keep up the good work!
Relief pitcher: Aaron Heilman, D-. If this man would ever learn to throw strikes on a consistent basis, he'd be valuable. Until then, I'd use him in mopup duty only. I read somewhere (can't find the link now) that he's never been the same since he allowed the game-winning HR to Yadier Molina in game seven of the 2006 NLCS.
Relief pitcher: Jeff Samardzija, Incomplete. Samardzija has been in only eight games this year, only three since his recent recall, and only one the Cubs have actually won. If they want him to succeed, they probably should send him back to Iowa.
Relief pitcher: Jeff Stevens, Incomplete. Stevens has talent, but it's impossible to grade him on one major league appearance.
Relief pitcher: David Patton, Incomplete. Patton, too, has talent; perhaps the Rule 5 rules need to be changed so pitchers like this don't waste half a season appearing in garbage time, then get stashed on the DL (I saw Patton throw in the bullpen on Sunday and he doesn't look injured.)
The overall grade may be middling now, but this team has more talent than it's graded out to be so far. There is still time for players with abilities they've shown in the past to do it again.
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Good point.
OK, here you go:
Manager: Lou Piniella C-. Lou has seemed disinterested at times. Is he embarrassed by the team he asked Jim Hendry to go and get for him? He’s looked bewildered and tired in the dugout. He needs to step up his own game in the second half.
GM: Jim Hendry D+. As noted above, Hendry got a couple of decent players in the offseason in Koyie Hill and Kevin Gregg. His signing of Aaron Miles was useless; he traded away Mark DeRosa and got only minor leaguers in return; he traded Jason Marquis for, essentially, nothing; and the signing of Milton Bradley has produced little to date. The grade could go up in the second half, but only if Bradley starts producing.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
These are dead on
Seems like Kevin Gregg over Kerry Wood was the only right thing Hendry did this season.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
Trading Marquis was the right choice and you can't really knock him for getting nothing for him
considering Marquis’ performance last year and his contract. Also, what Hendry got for DeRosa was actually pretty impressive. He actually got more for him than the Cards gave up a few weeks ago. Overall he did well on the trades over the offseason but the signings were horrific. Miles is a waste of money and space and Bradley’s contract was unnecessarily long considering the market.
However, the point is...
… that the DeRosa and Marquis deals were made, at least in part, to clear salary to sign Bradley (and perhaps Miles, too). In that sense, those deals are failures.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
True, I still think there was a way to keep DeRosa and sign Abreu in the budget but
I don’t think that was every seriously considered. Hendry should have waited the market out. Contract values were dropping fast and he should have seen that and held off signing an OF.
But I understand why he wanted Bradley I just don’t get why he signed him for so long, and I still think Dunn was the obvious choice offensively and should have been signed over Bradley any day.
Agreed.
Even if Bradley was the one he wanted, no one else was after him. He could have waited and signed him for much less money.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I keep making this point
Bradley, with the contract he has, could be on this team WITH Mark DeRosa. DeRo’s $5.5 million could have been covered if the Cubs hadn’t signed Miles, tendered Gaudin a contract and signed Joey Gathright.
That’s the biggest failure of the offseason — losing DeRo to sign three guys who are no longer on the team or who have contributed nothing.
How much does Heilman make? You could probably throw him in that group.
I don’t think you’d see much of a difference between Gaudin’s stats and Heilman’s. I still don’t understand why they felt the need to trade for Heilman.
Hendry has a personal vendetta against me
and he did it to spite me.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
at least Heilman is on the active roster
But, yeah, he’s horrible.
Agreed.
Aaron Miles could’ve been Bobby Scales and Gathright could’ve been Sam Fuld.
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Fuld really struggled last year. I can understand not counting on him to do
anything this year.
Yeah, maybe that one's a stretch.
I’m tempted to suggest they could’ve held on to Pie instead of signing Gathright, but I’m not sure I want to open that can of worms again.
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not sure you can call them a failure yet
out the gate, they have looked bad, no doubt. no one can say they are a failure until we see what the young arms from Cleveland can produce down the road. In two years we may be calling the DeRosa trade amazing for the Cubs, who knows….
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Yes I can. Moving Marquis to save money
was an acceptable option. I don’t have the exact numbers in front of me, but Hendry ate dollars on the contract and took back Vizcaino and all of his contract. If Vizcaino produced, or was expected to produce, the deal would not have been so bad.
However, if the Cubs were going to eat the Vizcaino contract and the dollars on the Marquis deal anyway, the the Rockies money the Rockies are paying is a pretty good deal for a durable pitcher with a decent bat. I was all for moving Marquis, but how it’s turned out, Jim might as well have kept him to pitch innings 5/6/7/8 of the Harden starts.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
The Cubs saved 5 mil on the deal. I don't think they had high hopes for Vizcaino which is why
they dropped him so fast and kept Patton instead. Moving Marquis was the key to any other major signing this offseason and had to be done. It was a good deal for the Rockies and for us. The Marquis trade was fine regardless of the eaten salary. It was the subsequent signings that have backfired, so far anyway…
Marquis wasn’t going to be in the pen to finish the Harden starts if that’s what you mean. He was going to start and I’d rather have Wells over Marquis as it turned out. The Cubs haven’t missed Marquis.
I guess my point is Marquis is probably worth the $5M.
If they had to dump $4-5M to get rid of him, he probably wasn’t worth getting rid of.
I am on record as saying last year he’s a decent 4th/5th starter/swingman, but not at the $9M. If he’d been signed at $5M originally, most of us, me included, would never have complained so much.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
Wasn't Hill in the organization already?
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
Yes, but...
… letting Henry Blanco go gave Hill the opportunity to win the backup job.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
C- for Lou is pretty generous
At most he deserves a D, He is not the manager from the last couple of years and has fallen into a state of inertia through most of the first half. He finally has done a couple things lately of actually doing something, but that has not made up for most of the year just sitiing and waiting for something to change.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
Variation on Al
Soriano — F minus
Fukudome — D plus
Bradley — D minus
Soto — D plus
Fontenot — C minus
Miles — F
Marmol — C minus
Harden — C minus
Zambrano — C plus
Dempster — C
Hendry — F
Piiniella — D
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
Wow, a team like that should be in last place, right?
Hmmm. They’re not. Must be doing better than their grades.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Baseball's most underperforming team and you're going to attack my grading curve
Whatever. How anybody can assign greater than a failing grade to the Cub outfield is very suspicous indeed.
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
I note you give a C- to your pal Harden...
… who is having a horrendous year. I might have been generous with the D.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
So if Pujols...
Went down for the Cardinals, or Braun for the Brewers, and they played .500 ball would they be underperforming?
most underperforming team
That is a false statement when you lose your best hitter for 6-7 weeks. Do the Cubs have underperforming players, absolutely. But to call the TEAM underperforming is just you being you, over the top.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
i love rammy, but let's not put him in the Pujols category.
i like the Braun comparison though. i think his point was that we were expected to win the division walking away. we were worried about picking up left handed hitters for the post season….a lot of good that will do you if you don’t make it there
Who was expected to win the division last year?
I mean seriously – who makes these expectations? Did anyone think the Rays were gonna make it last year? Doubt it.
As far as the Pujols comparison – he is their best hitter right? So if they lose him are they the same team? That was my point – i was not comparing the talent level of hitting, i was compairing the importance to the team.
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we have way more high priced proven veterans than just Rammy, so someone should
have stepped it up. Lee did, but it was a little late. Soriano, Bradley, and Fukudome (i call him a vet because of his age and experience in Japan) are supposed to be a much better “supporting cast” than anything the Brewers/Cards or any other team besides the Yanks/Red Sox have to offer. that is why this is an underperforming team. nobody is having a career year, most are way off their career average.
I understand...
your point but you honestly the one player this team is build around is Ramirez. That is clear. So yea, he is a big deal, but Soriano is in his typical career slump right? He does this EVERY season. Then he will get hot. Bradley, well i hated the signing to begin with, but he had a career year last year (i think almost all offensive catergories for him last year were career stats). But in all fairness he was suppose to be protecting Ramirez, so that changed.
The only player to say fairly is down is Soto, he obviously has struggled. But other than that everyone is basically playing the way they do. So i am not sure at the shock value of this. We are a .500 team. At the beginning of the season if i said what would the Cubs record be at All Star break without Aramis in the lineup for 6-7 weeks, what would you say the record would be?
When you rely on a guy like Ramirez to be in the lineup, and he is not, you cannot call the TEAM underperforming, because the pitching is still performing, it is the hitting that is not.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
This is a prolonged slump for Soriano and the STARTING pitching has performed
I don’t think you can put the bullpen in the same category as they blew a lot of leads the first few months.
OK fair enough...
Take away the losses in relief, and take away the wins in relief. Guess what – you are still at .500!!! 13 wins in relief, 13 losses in relief.
BTW – Soriano has actually gone HRless for a longer time already in his career. So it is not like this is a first time thing.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
Homerless isn't the only measure of production. He .216 in May and .198 in June
He’s never had back to back months like that over the last 6 years. I don’t care if he hits a homer. Just get a hit! sheez!
Taking wins and losses away from the bullpen doesn’t really show how it’s doing. You can get a win the same day you blow a save. Use your eyes. How do you believe the bullpen is doing?
Good deal.
Ok, the team is built around Soriano my bad.
The bulpen has had a few good pitchers and a few bad ones, with Marmol underperforming. How is Heilman underperforming? So because Marmol is underperforming the entire bullpen is, come on.
This is my problem with a lot of this. We have players doing what they have always done, we sign players with obvious holes in there performance. But for whatever reason we think as soon as they become Cubs they will change.
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by HIGGY on Jul 14, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I didn't even mention a single name in regards to the bullpen. All I said
was the BULLPEN was underperforming, as in a collective unit.
I never said the team is built around Soriano. You’ve posted that a couple different times on this thread simply because someone pointed out that Soriano is in the longest slump of his career. The truth is the Cubs would have been better with Soriano out of the lineup than in the lineup the last couple months because he’s actually hurt them, especially when he was still leading off.
Got it...
I just dont see how 2 struggling bullpen pitchers leads to an underperforming bullpen (especially when there are 4-6 other pitchers down there).
I will leave the Soriano thing alone.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
The bullpen has been better lately, even Heilman until the last couple games
but we’re talking about the whole first half. Gregg struggled for a while along with some of the other pitchers who are not on the active roster any more.
If you do not
consider Heilman underperforming, it is only because you expected him to be pretty bad. He hasn’t performed well by any standard of relief pitching. His WHIP is 1.63, and he allows (it seems) every inherited runner to score.
He was acquired to fill the role vacated by Bob Howry, and he has basically only been Howry at his worst. He cannot be trusted in any situation of significance, and for 4 mil and the players we had to trade to get him, that’s underperforming.
DEJESUS!!!
He was one of the 5 worst relief pitchers in baseball last season
So really thats about what i expected. That’s me though.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
Right...
he was garbage last year. And just because management made a poor decision to give him 4 million, doesnt meant he is underperforming that is pure stupidity and a poor business decision.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
Yeah
Point to Marmol if you want. Cotts (though that was another situation that was never good) too. Heilman was always going to be horsecrap. David Patton was always going to be a Rule 5 filler.
I think the bullpen as is can be really good. Guzman, Marmol, Marshall, and Gregg may have to get every big inning, but they are all pretty good.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
Well, he was also one of the best relievers in baseball...
…in 2005, 2006 and 2007. I thought a change of scenery might do him good, but he appears headed for another subpar season.
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i don't think you can underestimate Rameriez's impact, but this team was a team
buit to survive a couple of injuries. every team has to deal with them. Soto is not the only person struggling. This is as big a slump as anyone has ever seen Soriano in. i realize he goes through his down month every season, but this is going on two, and he doesn’t look like he is going to be able to turn it around anytime soon. I wasn’t exactly for the Bradley signing either, but when i looked at his numbers i was assured he would be a .280 or so hitter with some pop. that hasn’t been the case. a lot of people (myself included) were for giving Fontonot a shot (maybe not for dumping Dero like we did, but giving Fontonot more of an opportunity). he isn’t underperforming because he really didn’t have much of a track record.
i would say Soriano, Bradley, Soto, our Third Base fill ins, and our Second Base options are all underperforming compared to expectations. if you want to toss salary, i would say Soriano, Bradley and Fukudome are underperforming, the rest aren’t making much more than the min.
OK.
Soriano has never been a streaky slumpy hitter. He usually hits around .315-.330 and that is what we should expect.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
come on man, you know this is worse than a slump.
everyone knows he is a streaky hitter, but you cannot have a streaky hitter take you down for this long. he is reminding me of Sosa 2003, which is scary as hell.
But what is the difference...
If he slumps 2 months back to back, or slumps 1 month then hot for a month, then slumps again the following. There isnt any difference.
I think my main point here is getting missed. To say the ENTIRE team is underperforming is silly, just silly. There are some bad spots and good spots. But with the lineup, Ramirez has been out, and this offense is/was/has always been strong when he is in the lineup. So yea, that is gonna have an effect. Do i like Soriano, never have never will for this reason. Do i like Bradley, never have never will. And if you look at those players years the year before they were signed with the Cubs, you definitely could call those career years for both Soriano and Bradley, but expectations of the two were set very high for by Cubs fans, but we are getting what we should have expected (maybe not as much with Bradley because i think there is still hope for him).
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
not the entire team....the team as a whole....
look where we ranked in offense last year and where we are ranked this year and then look at the record, and the fact that we cannot put together a decent stretch of winning, and you should see that with all the hype built around this team, they are UNDERPERFORMING
and i am sorry, 1 player doesn’t bring you from the best to one of the worst (i think i heard we were 1st last year and 15th this year in the NL), no matter how good he is.
and to say you never will like Bradley is kind of childish. if you are talking about attitude issues, i really don’t think he has proven to be the worst cancer on the team. he hasn’t proven himself to be a good Cubs RF so far, but if we are giving Soriano a chance to break out, he should get his. i have not been his biggest fan, but if he hits .350 with 20HR in the 2nd half, he can marry my sister for all i care!
Disagree...
1 player can make a difference, especially a player of Aramis’ caliber.
Childish? Come on. I guess i should have rephrased it. I dont like Soriano or Bradley in Cubs uniforms because there were better options out there.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
alright...that sounds beter...i don't like the way they are playing either,
but it doesn’t mean i disaprove of them overall. as you said Soriano has helped the team in the past when he goes on his spells. sure he canmake a difference, just not that big of one.
I so dumbfounded that I don't have a response
Wow. Just wow.
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
Why?
You dont have a response because what i said was stupid? Or you dont have a response because you never respond to anyone who calls you out?
You are the guy from the movie Major League that bitches all season long, and then celebrates at the end when something good happens. Yea yea i know – save it, nothing good is going to happen.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
by HIGGY on Jul 14, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
It can be argued those guys represent to their teams
what Rami does for the Cubs. Rami going down hurt, probably to the tune of 3-4 wins worth.
But:
Soto’s very slow start
Soriano slumping badly
Bradley not close to last year
Fontenot not an everyday guy
Harden afraid of pitching at home
…are 5 solid examples of why the Cubs are underachieving by another 8-9 wins.
Other examples that could be argued as important as the 5 above are:
Marmol walking a batter an inning
Domer being Mr. April
Zambrano not up to par (DL taken into acct)
Dempster not up to par (DL also taken into acct)
So overall I believe Rami hurt is the single biggest issue, but the underperforming players together far outweigh just Rami being hurt.
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Jul 14, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Respond:
Soto – Agreed he is slumping. But some of this could be tied to Rami because of where Soto batted in the lineup. I dont hold too much to that but a little.
Soriano – as i stated Soriano usually gets hot, then slumps, gets hot then slumps. So this season he has gone hot, slumped, slumped. If he goes hot again – then it is virtually the same as last season.
Bradley – How in the world could we expect him to be any where close to his career year? Honestly? I think almost every offensive category for Bradley last year was a career best. Come on. Then take into account the team he played for, the park, and the league. So to expect numbers from last year? No way.
Ok Fontenot and the ‘struggling pitching staff’’:
Fontenot – this is a Lou problem, it was a failed experiement. DeRo was the guy – and i am not rehashing that. Fontenot was a solid sub last year, and Lou made him an every day guy. It failed, so be it.
The pitching staff. I understand most people hate Zambrano, but he has not been as bad as everyone thinks. Ok so he is not a Halladay or CC, but he has put out good numbers (and lets be honest when has he been an ace as a starter stat wise?). Dempster and Harden – just because they are paid like aces doesnt mean they are. Dempster i dont know what to say with his personal issues, so i will not address him. Harden on the other hand, of 14 starts he has given up 3 or fewer runs in 8 games. 4 runs in 3 of the 14, leaving him with 3 really bad starts. I will take that from my number 3 starter every season easily. If the offense was more productive, his record might be 8-3 and have the same stats and it would be a non-issue.
Overall, with the pitchers, again we are getting what we should expect from them. I cannot say this enough, just because they are paid like aces doesnt mean they are, if someone is gonna offer them ace money, you bet they will take it.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
I agree with a lot of what you're saying. Zambrano is definitely not getting
enough credit this year. He’s been great for the most part. And you’re right about Harden. He’s been up and down as well, but when he’s down it has been awful. He’s got an ERA close to 5.5. That’s not what he’s capable of, hopefully he can be more consistent the rest of the way.
Bradley is definitely coming around and I hope no one expected him to do what he did last year, but he’s definitely better than what he’s done so far. Soto on the other hand struggled even when Ramirez was in the lineup, so I place most of the blame on the fact that he was/is out of shape since that was his track history in the minors.
There we go...
We agree. BTW i enjoyed our discusion above – i know i came off chippy my bad if you thought that.
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incorrect
“Soriano – as i stated Soriano usually gets hot, then slumps, gets hot then slumps. So this season he has gone hot, slumped, slumped. If he goes hot again – then it is virtually the same as last season. "
You have made this point a couple times, and it is not correct.
Soriano’s OPS this year have been .955, .657, .585, .648.
So his OPS for the past 3 months has been lower than all but one other month since he’s been here.
He has never had an OPS under .700 more than one month in a season since he’s been here, and this year he has 3 straight months.
His OPS those 3 months is lower than any other other left-fielders season OPS, and only Wily Tavares has a lower OPS for the season than any of Soriano’s OPS’s the past 3 months.
So to say anything about Soriano’s season is the same as it’s ever been is factually incorrect. He has never been this bad this much or for this long.
DEJESUS!!!
Higgy and I went back and forth on this earlier. This is definitely the worst slump of his
career. It’s just a matter of whether or not he can turn it around. Hopefully he can, because if he does get hot and return to his career numbers he’s going to have one heck of a second half.
What I'm saying is
the predominant force behind the 43-43 record IS the under-performing team, not Rami.
The one player with the most impact by his situation can be argued is Rami. But the under-performers – for whatever reason – far outweigh Rami’s absence.
I’d like to think a healthy Rami and it’s 4 more wins. Better performance by the others and it’s 8 more wins. That’s all I’m saying.
So in summary yeah, I’m believing 12 more wins; 55-31 (.640). Not too much of a stretch when you think how well the pitching has been, especially the starters.
Just win the next game...!
Fair enough...
I just have a tough time calling it a team when Rami is out…But i see what you are saying.
"I love this world. I hope hell is as much fun!"
Suspicious?
Interesting choice of words there….
Ladies and gentlemen! It's 1985 all over again, but this time the offense goes to hell!
A C+
for Zambrano is just foolish. Plain stupidity.
Its funny, you spend most of your life gripping a baseball. And in the end, its almost always the other way around.
What would you give him, then?
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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 14, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions
solid B
at least.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 14, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd say B-
But I wonder what TCobb says.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 14, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
uh
BRRRAAAAAAAAAAAIIIINNNNSSSSS…
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 14, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
wait, sorry.
I thought you were wondering what TY COBB says. :P
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 14, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
He'd probably say something racist, misogynistic and then of course...
…BRRRAAAAAAAAAAAIIIINNNNSSSSS!!!
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Bradley a D minus?
No, he hasn’t driven in runs like he was supposed to do, but he has the highest OBP of anyone on the Cubs….average isn’t totally useless, but it is definitely overrated, OBP is more important than average….that doesn’t show his OPS, but it still shows he hasn’t been as bad as everyone has made him out to be.
by HardForharden on Jul 15, 2009 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions
you gotta grade
BLou on a bell curve.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 15, 2009 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Most of these seem fair to me
but Dempster deserves a C-. Sure he’s had some off the field things to deal with, but for $14 mil a year his 4.09 ERA isn’t going to cut it. That isn’t money paid to eat innings, which for large portions of the season it seems like Dempster has done.
I would probably give Geo a D- or F because of his terrible approach to the offseason, his drug test, and the injury that getting fat caused.
Soriano-D, Dome-D, Milton- C-
A-Ram- no grade, Theriot B, Fontenot- F, Lee- A-
Ted- A, Z-B, Wells-A, Harden- F, Gregg B, Marmol C-, Marshall B
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
Agreed on Dempster.
If we grade Harden down for injuries and substandard performance, we should do the same with Demp.
This season IS over. -BLou 6/30/09
agreed
and if ARam gets an incomplete, how can we grade Fuld or Fox who have less ABs (for example)
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
I'd rate Soto lower on the possibility that the injury is related to his lack of fitness.
Otherwise the grades look reasonable.
You have a point.
I gave him a bit of credit for having a good couple of months after the slow start.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I am getting close to being disgusted with Soto
for his offense and his lack of training.
HOWEVER, you have to give him some credit for the starting pitching being so good.
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
So?
Is there a rule that says you don’t have to do sit-ups in your second year?
There is no such thing as an ugly female breast
not at all, but it seems like you are giving up on a player that was Rookie of the Year last year
you may not be saying that, but disgusted is a pretty harsh term. He is still learning, which includes conditioning. if you think he is going to come into camp next year in the same shape, you are dead wrong
If you are going to grade for this year, next year is irrelevant
He doesn’t get a pass on conditioning because it’s his second year. Joe Mauer never seemed to have that issue.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 14, 2009 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions
And so is last year
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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 14, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions
or did Soto give up on himself
and Worf is reacting?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
You mean Sophomore slump
rather than being chunky and cranking up the bowl a few times??
He clearly came to camp out of shape; in more than one aspect.
Just win the next game...!
by blackhawk24 on Jul 14, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Lilly to A+
Ted has been rock solid and the only Cub to play up to his potential this season. I’d give him the best grade in the class, A+
Ya gotta love a team with a shortstop named TheRiot ...
A+ for Wells too....
could anyone have expected wells to do what he is doing? What a great surprise.
I worship TRL
but while he is lights at home, he has gotten blasted a few times on the road. He also really needs to on
his defense.
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by Doggie Stalker on Jul 14, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
I gave him some credit for leading the team in OBA.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
“Statistics are like mini skirts – they look good but hide the most important things”
Not my opinion, but its a good line…
by MadHatterBlues on Jul 14, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions
i know
those damn stats showing him as leading the team in getting on base are misleading us all from the truth!
Which is that Milton Bradley leads the team in getting on base.
by CalCalender on Jul 14, 2009 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Has he played in a equal number of games??
How many game winning hits has he had? He has 21 rbi and 6 homerun and a .230 avg. That’s horrible for a starting right fielder and I don’t care how many walks he has.
Go Cubs Go!!!!
by cubsluver22 on Jul 14, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
stop
moving the goalposts. You said the stats are misleading and they aren’t. Bradley leads the team in getting on base and thats the truth.
by CalCalender on Jul 14, 2009 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
And
to further show how absurd your comment was Milton Bradley is 2nd overall on the team in BB. So even with him playing in less games than some his elite batting eye makes up for it. He isn’t leading the team in OBP because he has played in fewer games he is leading it because he has the best strike zone judgement.
by CalCalender on Jul 14, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Someone should also point out...
…that RBI and batting average really aren’t good ways to judge a player. I guess that someone will be me.
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Counterpoint.
Bradley was signed, in part at least, to be a big bat in the middle of the lineup. At that, he has failed.
This is why I’d like to see him tried at leadoff.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
the problem
is Milton is going to start hitting. We know his swing the from the RH side is just as good as ever. When the LH swing corrects itself you are going to be using up a helluva lot of offense in the leadoff spot.
RBI’s happen because guys hit with men on base Al. Bradley IS going to hit. We might as well have him do so when guys like Lee and Aramis are on base.
by CalCalender on Jul 14, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
OTOH...
… if Bradley were to lead off, he’d have (among others) Lee and Ramirez hitting behind him, with a chance to drive him in. We got virtually nothing out of the leadoff spot for six weeks while Soriano was there and not hitting.
It couldn’t hurt to try.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
it wouldn't
be the end of the world to try it. He would be on base a lot. I kind of like the idea of Fukudome batting leadoff and see if he can adjust his game. Now THAT was a signing that didnt fit what the Cubs wanted him to be. If you recall he was a left handed middle of the order bat too.
by CalCalender on Jul 14, 2009 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
This is basically the same arguement used for why Soriano shouldn't hit leadoff
Now I don’t know if Milton hitting leadoff is the best idea, but why not maximize his OBP while he isn’t hitting and as his hitting gets better drop him back into a run producing role.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
Yeah, that's true...
…and Bradley has failed for the most part at driving runners in with any consistency, but RBI are still a team-dependent stat that I’m not comfortable “blaming” a player for lacking. I’d actually blame the whole “lefty middle lineup” failure on Hendry rather than Bradley.
Milton’s always been more of an all-around hitter, high-OBP guy than a typical thumper. If Jimbo really wanted a middle of the order lefty bat solely to drive in runs, he should have just signed Adam Dunn, whose picture appears in the dictionary next to the term “left-handed run producer.”
That’s why I do agree that Bradley should be batting either leadoff or No. 2 as a lefty vs. RHP. For consistency’s sake, I’d rather see Dome stay in the leadoff spot and Bradley No. 2, but there are a few ways to set it up.
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I think Milton
is a great 3 spot hitter. One flaw he might have batting 4th or 5th is that Milton will not swing at bad pitches. Ever. This leads to him getting called out on poor 3rd strike calls when he could have expanded the zone to make a sac fly.
That isn’t a knock on Bradley, the sad fact is that he knows the strike zone better than most umps, but the Cubs would avoid this by batting him 3rd or even leadoff if they wanted to get radical.
by CalCalender on Jul 14, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I see Bradley as almost a perfect No. 3 - when he's hitting.
Maybe he’ll get there this season. If so, Dome could stay in the leadoff spot, perhaps Theriot could bat No. 2 and Bradley third. Then Lou could maintain his precious L-R-L alternating order, at least at the top.
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Milton Bradley
has started 59 games and played in 71. And his OBA% accounts for the number of games he’s played in, duh.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 14, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
LOLZZZ
re OBA being a misleading stat
I’ll put it very politely…you can trust me that I’ve played at levels much higher than you might otherwise believe. You may not like my criticism but you cannot question my resume. I suggest you leave it at that.
by krummy12 on Jun 24, 2009 1:03 PM EDT
even more LOLZZ
cubsluver: “stats can be very misleading at times” (referring to OBA)
cubsluver 1 hour later in the same thread: citing low HR, RBI and AVG totals to support proposition that a player sucks.
that cannot be for real. bravo, cubsluver, for your masterful fishing performance.
I’ll put it very politely…you can trust me that I’ve played at levels much higher than you might otherwise believe. You may not like my criticism but you cannot question my resume. I suggest you leave it at that.
by krummy12 on Jun 24, 2009 1:03 PM EDT
I can't decide
if I want partial credit for your sig or not. :P
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 14, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
i forgot that was to you
hilarious
I’ll put it very politely…you can trust me that I’ve played at levels much higher than you might otherwise believe. You may not like my criticism but you cannot question my resume. I suggest you leave it at that.
by krummy12 on Jun 24, 2009 1:03 PM EDT
LOL, hilarious quote.
Didn’t krummy say the Cubs would be, like, five and a half games out after the Brewers series or something?
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AT A HIGH LEVEL!
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 15, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Gimme a break.
Milton has compensated for a horrible left-handed hitting slump with a good eye at the plate. And, overall, he’s played good defense in right field. Plus, don’t look now, but he’s been doing a pretty good job of keeping himself on the field.
Don’t get me wrong – he’s been a disappointment. But I think a C- is a fair grade – I could even live with a D+. After all, he’s been well below his career averages and not particularly successful at driving in runs when given the opportunity. But an F is not fair. I still think Lou should put him at the top of the order vs. RHP and in the middle vs. LHP.
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I'd say for the most part these look good, however,
I don’t understand how you can give Dempster an Incomplete. He’s played enough to have earned a letter grade. I’d go with a C.
yeah, i'd say he has been pretty average...i would say more a C-, because of the expectations.
that is the hard part about these grades….do you decide to grade them upon their expectations, or their season only? i think we all have been throwing the expectation grade out there, because if you show me a SS with stats like that i would give him a A-
If youre basing your team grades on preseason expectations
Its gotta be an F. They were nearly 20 games over .500 and had an increasing lead over StL and this year they’ve been mediocre at best
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
over StL last year*
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Well, I don't think you should base grades on preseason expectations.
I think you should base them on performance, which Al has done.
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that's fine, but a strong majority of the players have performed under their
career averages. that shows what they do on an AVERAGE basis. they aren’t even achieving a C based on their own personal history.
Well, I think Al was allowing himself some subjectivity in addition to the numbers.
I don’t have a problem with that. Someone could probably do a purely stats-based grade, which would be interesting.
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I think your player grades are spot on, the team grade however
I agree with bren and have to wonder if the team should be graded against results or expectations frankly. I mean would you give a team like Pittsburgh with a fraction of our payroll a “C” grade if they had a .500 record? I’d say no, because given their talent level and investment in the team a .500 record would be a pretty darn good team.
So to me expectations, paper talent, all of those things need to factor into our record. Given that, I’d notch it down to a C-
A- for Lee is way too generous
Yes, he’s been great lately, but on May 16th he was still hitting under .200 with a 615 OPS. So, he was just brutal for half of the first half. But at the same time he has carried this team lately. I’d give him a solid B. Agree with most of the other grades.
C+

I agree with your overall grade.
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by katie casey on Jul 14, 2009 9:04 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Um...?
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It's the grade Ralphie got on his theme in movie "Christmas Story."

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by katie casey on Jul 14, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Ha, I love that movie.
I didn’t recognize it from the first pic.
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Haha!
Nobody cares about your fantasy baseball team
by carmen_fanzone on Jul 14, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Al, if Soriano is injured, as you continue to insist...........
then why would Jim/Lou continue to play him and risk ruining his career? They’ve placed him on the DL before so it would make sense that they would DL him again if injury was the cause of his horrific performance this year. Maybe he hasn’t forgotten how to hit, but instead, pitchers have finally learned to throw him nothing but sliders away to which he hasn’t made adjustments.
Defensively it could be argued that he’s the worst left fielder in the majors this year.
He’s earned a F- at best
"We got some pretty good chemistry here. We got some toughness, and it's starting to show." - Lou Pinella
Perhaps, if he had played the entire season like the last 51 games
But, as Al pointed out, he did hit 280/.343/.580 with 12 HR and 25 RBI in the first 35 games, during which the Cubs were 21-14. That deserves some credit, albeit a miniscule amount. Al’s grade is accurate.
With Sori out of the lineup last year the Cubs played .500 ball, with him in the lineup this year
and struggling the Cubs are 7 games under .500. That tells me they’d be better off with him out of the lineup then in it and struggling. If he does have a sore knee, even if it’s only minor, it is clearly affecting his play and he should be on the DL for a bit.
Yes, the grade can be argued, but.....
my point is whether or not his performance is injury related, and I think not, or they would have DL’d him.
"We got some pretty good chemistry here. We got some toughness, and it's starting to show." - Lou Pinella
I have to believe he's hurt, because...
… a player doesn’t simply lose those skills overnight. It’s just not possible.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Yeah, but if he really is hurt
His performance leaves him absolutely no footing to refuse going on the DL. Yet, he continues to not go on the DL. Perhaps it’s because he hasn’t told anyone he’s hurt, but, again, with the way he’s perform, I don’t see how he could keep that a secret.
I’m worried that his problem right now is between the ears.
players
don’t make the decision to go on the DL. The Manager makes the decision. He may be involved, but it’s not like refusing a minor-league rehab assignment.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 14, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Looking at fangraphs
It’s fairly obvious that the league has finally adjusted to him. Is it because there’s less to fear behind him, so now pitchers can get more creative against him?
he’s seeing nearly 8% fewer fastballs. And that’s making up for the larger quantity of junkballs being thrown to him.
The only pitches he’s been worth anything on are fastballs and cut fastballs. Until this year, he’d also been able to hit the changeup as well (occasionally). Looking at fangraphs, he’s also seeing one ppt less changeups.
It seems to come down to, pitches that move he just simply can’t hit. Now pitchers just aren’t throwing those straight pitches anymore.
agree completely
"We got some pretty good chemistry here. We got some toughness, and it's starting to show." - Lou Pinella
Why, though....
… did it take the league more than three years to figure this out?
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I think they did, but............
Soriano went to right more often in the past and laid off those pitches more than he has this year.
"We got some pretty good chemistry here. We got some toughness, and it's starting to show." - Lou Pinella
Absolutely, and soon I hope
"We got some pretty good chemistry here. We got some toughness, and it's starting to show." - Lou Pinella
Obviously.
Anybody that is batting under .200 for a whole month needs to make adjustments.
The problem is, he isn’t making those adjustments
I don't think it's a matter of him losing his skills, but
rather pitchers throwing him nothing but crooked pitches to which he is unable to adjust.
As far as his defense he just flat out fails at all levels, except his arm strength of course.
"We got some pretty good chemistry here. We got some toughness, and it's starting to show." - Lou Pinella
I would have given an 'A' to one player:
Randy Wells. He’s far surpassed my expectations this year and certainly been a consistent silver lining.
Overall, great assessment as per usual, Al.
Not Lilly, too?
"Who ever heard of the Cubs losing a game they had to have?" -Frank Chance
"If [Ruth] had [called his shot], I would have knocked him down with the next pitch." -Charlie Root
No grading scale
is high enough for Lilly
Linus: Life is rarely all one way, Charlie Brown. You win some, you lose some. Charlie Brown: Really? Gee, that'd be neat.
by CyberCyclist on Jul 14, 2009 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Sure, maybe Lilly too
But if I only had one ‘A’ to give, I would give it to Wells, if only because I expect great things out of Lilly.
I want Dan to post his grades for the Cubs using the O.W.L. system
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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 14, 2009 9:31 AM CDT reply actions
I agree with the grades mostly
any differences I may have would be minimal.
The past few weeks the team seems to be hitting and scoring better, but they still throw in some stinkers. I think we all know the magic number for the Cubs is 4. When we score 4 ore more runs, we win consistently .
I didn’t expect Aram to be the savior for the second half of the season, and from indications, he’s still not where he wants to be in regards to his shoulder. I hope te break will help him heal a bit more. If the Aram we see now is what we get the rest of the season with a few HR’s thrown in, it may not be enough.
We’ve said before, as Sori goes, so go the Cubs. If we have any hope of winning the division, Soriano is the key. When he’s raking, we are winning, period. No offense to Aram or anyone else, but to me, he’s the straw that stirs the drink. When he’s hitting lead off bombs, the team responds.
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So
you got a team that has been acceptable or above average except for Soriano, Rich Harden, and Aaron Heilman?
Yet, you have an offense that
ranks 15th in runs scored (and 14th in BA, 13th in OBA, and 13th in SLG
Where I went to school
‘C’ was average, and anything below ‘C’ was below average. A lot of the Cubs’ offense (especially the starters) falls in in the C-D range, so I think Al’s grades are harsher than your generalization.
The 15 players that have grades
(throwing out + and -) combine for a 2.133 GPA. Which, on a 4 point grading scale, is above average.
An offense that basically ranks in the bottom 4 in the naional league is obviously below average.
Therefore, I think Al’s grading is more lenient than what mine would be.
The average doesn't make sense, unless...
… you weight it for playing time. Which I didn’t do.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I thought
you did weight it for playing time, which is why Sam Fuld received a B.
Well...
… I didn’t go through and actually calculate grade weights based on playing time. It’s not a numbers game here; my grades are more subjective than based strictly on numbers.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Gotcha
Make sense, then.
My objections to the grades.
Hoffpauir – D+. Has provided a decent bench bat. Good power, would’ve hoped for more average. Defense he’s horrendous. Bad zone rating, bad arm. The only position he should be playing is first base.
Fontenot – D. This may come from being overexposed. I think a lot of people would agree that he’s not a MLB starter. Good utility role player, but not a starter.
Agreed on Fontenot being overexposed.
Regarding Hoffpauir, he is playing out of position in the outfield. He’s been… not horrendous. With Sam Fuld on the team, there’s no reason for him to play there any more.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Horrendous was harsh
That word should be reserved for Manny, Dunn, and Chris Duncan.
Let’s say he’s been well below average. The only position that he’s not a defensive liability is 1st base.
I see your point, jxmetal
But your GPA would have to take into account other factors, like playing time; otherwise, you’d be weighing Koyie Hill’s ‘B’ the same as Milton Bradley’s ‘C-’, and they would average out to +2.0. In reality, MB’s “C-” should be weighted a lot heavier than KH’s “B”.
In any event, I think this goes beyond what Al intended for this exercise ;)
Right
Which makes the whole thing just a cluster-fock.
I was assuming that Al had all the grades weight based on the Sam Fuld grade/comment.
but
the pitching has been in the top 4….if you do the math, combining those 2 equals average.
by HardForharden on Jul 15, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I like your comparison
During my undergrad and grad studies, C was a failing grade. In college, one C would mean you needed to take the class again and they put you in the “doghouse.” One more C in any other class and you would not earn your degree from that department. In grad school, one C would get you kicked out of the program.
With that in mind, the Cubs should never earn a C, just because their expectations are much too high. One C means they should be kicked off to the curb.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
How can you give Demps an "Incomplete?"
Was it because he’s injured? He has the second most innings pitched on the Cubs at 105… I’d say that’s enough for a grade, and quite honestly I’d give him a C-, maybe a C. Demps has reverted considerably to his old starting pitcher habits… falling behind batters, trying to throw instead of pitching… he had a really good thing going last year, and I just wonder if maybe the league has caught up to him… I really hope he was distracted (although that’s a horrible thing to say, given the circumstances behind his distraction) but now that things have cleared up and he got in the fight with that railing, maybe he can come back even stronger…. although I think Demps has traditionally been a first half pitcher.
Not arguing, but
Dempster’s “distraction” hasn’t “cleared up” just yet. The fact that the child is at home is a great relief, but she still needs 24-hour care and there’s a chance she will have life-long repercussions, should she make it out of infancy. So I think he’s still pretty “distracted.”
And yes. Dempster does deserve a grade.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
The distraction for Dempster was more....
… that he had to keep flying to Arizona to be with his wife and daughter until the beginning of May. From May 1 until he got hurt, he was 4-4, 3.57 and had 10 good starts out of 12.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
good grades, Al
Three small gripes …
Fuld doesn’t deserve a grade after so few at-bats. That’s not to say he shouldn’t get more playing time.
Fox deserves a better grade.
Dempster has played enough to get fully graded. I’d give him a B-/C+ (without looking at his numbers too closely).
If I were grading Dempster I'd say C+.
Fuld got one because he helped win one game almost singlehandedly.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
I see your point
I hope Fuld gets a chance to play more in the second half.
What do you think about the DeRo point I made above? To me, the Miles/Gaudin/Gathright signings (with money that could have been used to keep one of our best players) is right up there with the Juan Pierre trade.
It's a good point. I think Hendry had something in his head he wanted to do and went out to
complete it, which he did. Clearly, the Gaudin tender offer happened pretty early in the offseason before the market was taking shape. If he hadn’t offered Guadin he probably would have signed someone else for the bullpen at 2 mil.
Hendry moved to quick this offseason. He could have had Joe Beimel for the same price or less than Gaudin and he could have had Hudson for the same price as Miles! Ouch! If he had waited out the market more he could have gotten a lot more for his money, but he resolved the roster to quickly and completely handcuffed himself. That’s okay if it works out, but it hasn’t so far.
interesting point
Frankly, I wouldn’t be surprised if Hendry’s fate hangs entirely on whether the Cubs turn the season around. He was smart regarding Gregg and Wood, but almost every other thing he did in the offseason looks pretty terrible.
It seems that Hendry overpaid to do what appeared to be smart moves at the time (trading Marquis for nothing, signing Bradley to a contract that went against the market, etc.) that look REALLY bad now that they haven’t panned out.
His moves werent 100% failures
But he did sign people for more than they were worth and that just makes these moves look so much worse.
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I honestly think
That the sale of the Cubs is dragging the team down. Think about it this way. If your company that you worked for was “for sale” and the prospect of new ownership was over your head on a daily basis, that might effect your performance.
Not trying to make an excuse but I think that has to be on the minds of some players.
With that said. I believe that the Cubs are going to catch fire in the 2nd half and become a very dangerous team with the pitching and hitting that we know that Cubs have.
Eh.
Do you really think the players worry about who the owner is going to be? They’re getting paid regardless.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Well, maybe
Perhaps, and again this is just a theory nothing more.
But seeing how teams get dismantled and so forth with these types of situations, It might make some players a little leery of what the hell is going on exactly.
Think of it being like a comfort level I guess you could say.
If I made bank like an MLB player
I wouldn’t care if Bernie Madoff owned the team and wanted me to play in Cuba City, Wisconsin.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
Hilarious how the excuse makers have convenient answers for this wretched season
Ramirez going down should not have torpedeod this team. Where was the $136 million man in Soriano to pick up the slack? Or Kosuke? Or Bradley? Or Soto?
The Cubs are NOT constructed around one player in the lineup. They are the 3rd highest payroll in baseball built around a stable of high paid position players.
How Soriano doesn’t earn a F minus from Al is company is beyond me. Luvable Loser syndrome rearing its ugly head on BCB all over again. Maybe we can have more diatribes on how the friggin weather has sabotaged things.
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
Al gave Soriano a D-
Not exactly an endorsement.
But I agree with you about the weather excuse.
FWIW, it doesn't seem to be an "excuse" to me...
… as much as an observation. Nobody is claiming its OK that the team hits more poorly when cold, just that it is happening.
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by AndrewJStone on Jul 14, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I could do without the Glenn Beck-style histrionics, but
I agree with the first two graphs.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
Right on!
I love how the Cubs lack of hitting is always blamed on weather. Because, somehow the sky is blue and the weather is warm when the opponent bats. Give me a break with that excuse.
BLou, many people here don’t like you,but I enjoy your no BS, speak the truth attitude.
You act like this team deserves an F
The only two teams that deserve an F are the Nationals and the Indians. This team is playing like a .500 ball club and that is exactly where they are.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
Sure
They have a C record (500). But based on expectations, it’s underachieving. If the team was graded against potential, skill, and expectations, then it deserves a much lower grade.
Sure if you are grading against expectations
But how often are expectations right? These grades were issued on the teams performance so far this season
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Right
This wasn’t a discussion.
Just stating why he sounded like the team deserved an F.
The amount of money spent on this team is an expression leading to a team that should be better than it is playing.
If expectations are brought in I still only give this team a D
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
I think a D- for Soriano is fair...
…because he did have an excellent March/April (.955 OPS in 99 PAs). That may sound silly, but if you wrote three papers for English class and the first one was A, the second one was a D (.657 OPS in May) and the third was an F (.585 OPS in June), you wouldn’t get an F. Or would you?
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It depends on if they're weighted.
If the second and third papers were worth more for the class than the first, then sure, you could wind up with something approximating an “F.”
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by Bill Potter on Jul 14, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh, right. Good point.
Not surprisingly, I did well in English – not so good in math.
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Math was the reason I avoided business school
I went the safe route of Communications.
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by Bill Potter on Jul 14, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Weather Grade: D-
There ya go…
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by carmen_fanzone on Jul 14, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
+1 for that deal :)
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I can confirm that deal was NOT the rumor I heard.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Strictly a guess...
… not till tomorrow. Bud doesn’t want any deals interrupting the ASG.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
There's been murmurings that the Cubs are looking into a trade for an AL catcher.
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Throw F-'s at Soriano all you want...
but my guess is we’d be at least 5 games under without him. He had three, IIRC, 7th inning or later HR’s to start the season that were absolutely huge.
Am I disappointed in his performance? Naturally, but it still doesn’t take away the first month and a half of the season.
And I don’t believe the heralded F- even exists.
This season IS over. -BLou 6/30/09
Take that back
And I don’t believe the heralded F- even exists.
We have a man named Aaron Miles on our team.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living."
I came up with one way Miles contributed to a win.
On June 20, Miles singled on a hit-and-run with Andres Blanco, sending Blanco to third. Blanco then scored on Wood’s wild pitch to win the game.
Other than that, I can’t think of a single instance in which he helped the team.
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by Bill Potter on Jul 14, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
I had forgotten about that.
That might, though, be the only time.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
If I hadn't been at the game I wouldn't have remembered it.
That play alone comprises the Aaron Miles 2009 Greatest Hits DVD thus far. An “F” is warranted.
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by Bill Potter on Jul 14, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
He did help the other team win
With his “defense” at second base and his “hitting”
I wonder if the ball was thrown right down the middle and Miles swung as hard as he could, does he hit a homer?
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
I'm sure he could - it happened last year a few times.
Even the blind squirrel can find a nut on occasion.
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by Bill Potter on Jul 14, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Aaron Miles, believe it or not, has 16 career homers.
Here is a list of all the pitchers he has homered off of (1 each):
Daisuke Matsuzaka
Al Leiter
Bronson Arroyo
Elmer Dessens
Tony Armas
Ryan Madson
Randy Johnson
Ian Snell
Micah Owings
Stephen Randolph
Ramon Ramirez
Brad Penny
Jeremy Bonderman
Edgar Gonzalez
Bryan Corey
Lance Cormier
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
How the hell did he hit one off Randy Johnson?
Also its never good when a starting pitcher has more homers in his career than the guy playing second base.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
I think you answered your own question
I wonder if the ball was thrown right down the middle and Miles swung as hard as he could, does he hit a homer?
Plus, Randy Johnson was supplying some of the power for Miles.
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by Bill Potter on Jul 14, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm very disappointed in Randy
Perhaps his HOF status should be re-examined now that this has come out.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
Here's the detail on the Miles HR off the Big Unit.
September 15, 2004 at Arizona. D’backs were leading 3-0 at the time; Miles hit one with a man on, making it 3-2, in the 8th inning.
Take a look at the season records of the two teams and you might have an idea why the Big Unit left a ball in the zone that Miles could hit.
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Charity softball tournament?
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
That would imply he supplied nearly all the power...
…and that simply is not true.
Just win the next game...!
I'm pretty sure the home run off Al Leiter...
…was in the MLB Network studios.
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by daver on Jul 14, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Wow we agreed 90%
I wrote a lengthy report card on the other forum, love to have you take look Al.
We agreed on 90% of the people on here with grades. I was a bit too generous with Heilman looking back though.
Interesting thing I noticed looking at the Soriano injury from last season
Aramis batted .207/.272/.466 with Soriano out.
Alfonso batted .204/.259/.348 this year
The Cubs actually went 26-25 with Aramis out this season, 14-17 with Alfonso out last year. Both injuries dropped the team’s production about the same.
My point? Lets not be so quick to anoint Aramis the most important hitter on this team. Its a burden him and Alfonso share. Both players suffered without the other in the lineup.
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
by nji232 on Jul 14, 2009 10:58 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Unbelievable
An “F” grade to Alfonso Soriano is lightyears different than a “F” grade to Aaron Miles. The former is being paid and counted upon as a franchise player while the later is a stiff utility player.
BCB has devolved into debate masturbation on the non-strategic issues with this ballclub !! Sure, Miles sucks and we all wish he weren’t here. But it is the massive suckage of integral players like the guess hitting hack that is the ISSUE.
Crikey.
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
So you're gripe is that people aren't giving Miles a higher grade?
You’re raving . . . an “F” is an “F”. Failure. There is no such thing as “Failure minus”. It’s a failure. Just like your comment.
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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 14, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Except for the fact that I continue to screw up the use of "your" and "you're"
What’s up with that?
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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 14, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Really?
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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 14, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
What a dumbass.
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by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jul 14, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't see how the comment is a failure
He’s right. The issue here is that soriano is being paid obsurd amounts of money to produce and he hasn’t, he’s failed. We all expected miles to fail, but not soriano.
Yes an F is an F but when that F is coming from someone you’re expecting to give you B+ to A its a little more serious than when its coming from Aaron Miles.
by cubsfaninatl on Jul 14, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
That still doesn't make sense
If two people fail, and they both get F’s, what’s the issue?
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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 14, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions
blah blah blah blah blah
I believe it is totally unfair for us to have to endure repeats in the same freaking thread.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 14, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions 4 recs
Rec'd
Why anyone responds to the exact same comments repeated over and over is beyond me. Seeing the same posts without any new thoughts is mind-numbing.
I'm sure he does so, privately though
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
The "Troll" grades mean the same here as they do in the wizarding world . . .
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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 14, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Someone is apparently in
full Potter mode.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
Detention
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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 14, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Did you know
that BLou thinks 135 million team should play better? That Cubslover22 thinks stats are misleading? That a lot of people hate Milton Bradley? That a lot of people think Soriano is the worst LF in history?
Because these themes pop up time and time again. And its old.
Did YOU know
That Reno is further west than Los Angeles?
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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 14, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I ♥ PV.
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I hope the Cubs ♣ PV
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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 14, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions
You hope they club him?
He’s already injured! Geez!
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No, no. Not like that. On the ♦
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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 14, 2009 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Submitted for your approval
Fielder, after having won the home run derby:
Fielder started out using a bat that belonged to injured Milwaukee teammate Rickie Weeks, then switched to Braun’s stick.
“It was a little longer,” Fielder said. “Once I grabbed his bat, it felt pretty good.”
Life is parallel to hell but I must maintain
by dr stabbingworth on Jul 14, 2009 11:38 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm sure once he grabbed his bat...
his eyes bulged a little bit more.
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Trying...to...hold back...BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Okay, I'll bite...
Been at Disneyworld for the last week – no BCB.
What is the inside tip/rumor Al heard??
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by The Jade Scorpion on Jul 14, 2009 11:39 AM CDT reply actions
Uh-huh.
And while we’re at it, let’s ship Milton Bradley to the Cardinals for Albert Pujols.
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by The Jade Scorpion on Jul 14, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
That was discussed
but the Cardinals wanted Aaron Miles and Andres Blanco back in return… and Hendry put the breaks on it.
Gotta side with Hendry on that one, Galvan.
We can’t sell the farm. Not to mention, who knows if new ownership would approve of that move..
Damn Jim Hendry..
…for killing our over-the-top ridiculous, absurdly one-sided trade rumor!
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by The Jade Scorpion on Jul 14, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
You should know, Galvan, that pursuant to recent precedent, all trade talk HAS TO BE POSTED IN ALL CAPS
Bwaaaaahahahahahahahahaha!
See how easy it is to spread rumors on the Interwebz?
This made my day. Thank you Galvan. Good to see you back here.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
No one knows...
Al doesn’t want to throw his source under the bus. So he’s keeping quiet. We do know it’s an AL catcher.
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Correct.
And I have no new information on this as of today.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Maybe Al is trying to send cryptic hints in his posts
For instance, in this post, he says “no new information,” which perhaps could mean that it’s not a “new” catcher, i.e., he’s a veteran. And if you look at Al’s signature, he has a quote by Yogi Berra, who has nine letters in his name.
Not a “new” catcher + 9-letter name = Gregg Zaun?
Alternatively, “no new information” could mean that the catcher is not a “new” cub. And if you look at one of his above posts, Al blatently mentions Henry Blanco.
Not a “new” cub + mentioning Henry Blanco = Henry Blanco? The problem there is that he’s not an AL catcher. But, then again, perhaps what Al meant by “AL catcher” is a catcher that he approves of, which would seem to include Blanco?
Ugh. These hints are hard to work with. I feel like Robert Langdon.
I'll take it...
….just to watch Sox fans bleed.
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by The Jade Scorpion on Jul 14, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Knowing what we know
we could do some detective work. One would have to assume the catcher would have to meet the following criteria: a non-contender (a contender wouldn’t deal their catcher), not young (non-contenders don’t trade youth), not expensive (because we can’t take on salary), adequate offensively and defensively (because why make a trade for a lateral move).
In the AL, the teams that are clearly out of it are Oakland, KC, Baltimore, Cleveland, and Toronto (not out of it, but if they are fielding Hallady offers they will be).
Al has already said it’s not Greg Zaun, and it’s not going to be Wieters, so Baltimore is out.
Oakland isn’t going to trade Kurt Suzuki, who is young, cheap and talented. Their backup catcher is also cheap, so he is likely to stay.
The Cubs don’t have the payroll or prospects to get Victor Martinez. Shoppach is bad, so the Cubs shouldn’t want him, and the Indians might keep him around since VMart needs days off behind the plate.
That leave KC and Toronto.
KC has Miguel Olivo and John Buck. Olivo has a nice bat, is older (30), and not too expensive (.270). The problem is KC has nothing at catcher that’s close in the minors to replace him. However, perhaps a Jake Fox might interest an AL team with another catcher who can split time. John Buck would not be of much use to the Cubs, imo.
Toronto has Rod Barajas and Raul Chavez. Barajas is older (33), not too expensive (2.5 mil), and reasonably productive offensively. Chavez is 36, I couldn’t find salary info, and pretty awful offensively. He has only 260 ABs at age 36.
Therefore, my predictions are either Miguel Olivo or Rod Barajas. This is all predicated on Hendry looking for someone who has some value, and being able to fit in around a mil (prorated) into the payroll.
DEJESUS!!!
My money is on
Jose Molina from the Yanks. They have Posada and the young guy whose name I can’t remember.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
I thought you wouldn't reveal the name. ;-)
(Calm down, everyone. Al is answering Allie, not telling us who the Cubs are after.)
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by Shanghai Badger on Jul 14, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
What about a fukufriend in Johjima from Seattle?
He’s 33 and backing up these days at a heavy freight of $8M per through 2011. Supposedly the entire clubhouse can’t stand him.
I could see Hendry looking to acquire this guy if Seattle took back contracts and ate some cash. Heilman, Miles and $8M?
Not sure if I want to see him in Chicago, but man is he available.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
If the entire clubhouse in Seattle can't stand him, why would the Cubs want him?
Especially at that money.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
Doubt the Cubs would take the money, but if they could move a couple of contracts with no future here
and Seattle ate money the way the Cubs have been, there may be a way.
I’m guessing rather than advocating.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
Marshalls 6'7"
he ain’t crouchin’ for long
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
The way I look at it.
If preseason someone told me that a majority of the Cubs would be injured, seems like a new one every week. Along with many players underperforming, including bradley, soriano, soto, and even d lee for most of the first half. Even Carlos Marmol has been underperforming. And even with all that we would be .500 and only 3.5gb, I would have taken it
Thats all I can say, heres to the NL winning the ASG and the cubs correcting themselves in the second half.
Yes, here's to that.
I just hope that they really are underperforming this year, as opposed to overperforming last year.
Fontenot
and Soto are the only two players i think overperformed last year.
And fontenot was just a bench player last year.
by cubsfaninatl on Jul 14, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Re Soriano injury??
I believe it was May 18 when Soriano wound up on some WWE show and took a verbal beating by The Miz… If you look at his average from that date forward hes has experienced a continued downward trend.. Words do hurt.
jk
There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.
Actually, if his knee isn't really bothering him all that much...
…you may be on to something.
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sure but...
WHY?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 14, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I still say knee
Phillips talked about how much lower Fonz’s leg kick was, that could be him trying to make an adjustment thats easier on his knee but changes his eye level.
That might explain why his pitch selection is so much worse than normal.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
Probably.
Or (deep breath) a professional wrestler publicly humiliated Soriano to the point where his self-esteem was lowered to such depths that he no longer felt strong nor confident on the playing field vis a vis baseball diamond, resulting in an ability to produce offensively, aggravating both spectators and teammates alike, and sending him into a shame spiral the likes of which none of us have ever seen or would ever wish on our worst enemies. (exhale…pant, pant, pant)
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You should be on Mythbusters
Great description!
There goes one over the fence...a Tru-Link fence.
by truelinkfence on Jul 15, 2009 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions
"We need to swing the bats better. What can I say?"
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
"We need to start hittin', and we need to get healthy. If we can do that, ya know... I mean, look, what else can I say?"
Needs a "Look"
at the beginning.
But otherwise perfect. Well done!
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
It would be nice not to hear
“What is goin on?” from Ron Santo either.
"Fasten your seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
by katie casey on Jul 14, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
GOSH!
GEE WHIZ!
"Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end"
by AndrewJStone on Jul 14, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
"I don't know."
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jul 14, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
You all forgot..."And we'll go from there"
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
I think
the grades are to generous. This team is underperforming at an alarming pace. I am not saying the year is done, but if some of these guys do not get back to their career norms, the second half will be ugly.
"You can't take life to seriously, you don't get out of it alive"
Al,
you said
Second base: Aaron Miles, F. I can’t think of a single time that Miles did anything to help his club win.
does going to Iowa count as helpnig Chicago win?
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Well, Miles going on the DL has resulted in an improvement in the infield.
"You can observe a lot just by watching." ~ Yogi Berra
so we can agree
addition by subtraction
baseball is a game of outs......pop out, ground out, line out, pitch out, strike out, fly out, and Fox and Bud's favorite black out
Ugh.
It is so very sad that some of the signings have turned out this ridiculously poorly, isn’t it?
Here’s to a better second half……….!
"Bite my shiny metal ass!" -- Bender Bending Rodriguez
"Life is just one crushing defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead."
by The Jade Scorpion on Jul 14, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
How about "grading" the Cubs announcers??
I’ll yield the mic on this one (pun intended?), except to say that I have enjoyed (and continue to enjoy) BB in the TV booth. I was so bitter after Stoney was let go, but Bob has quickly become one of my favorites. I learn so much from him. And I’ve heard that he has a pretty intense pregame study regimen, which makes me like him even more since he could probably just wing it if he wanted.
I’m still “meh” about Len.
Share the luv for BB
Don’t get to hear them too often out here in Cal, but his criticisms are refreshing from the booth and mostly spot on.
Say this much for big league baseball - it is beyond question the greatest conversation piece ever invented in America. ~Bruce Catton
This one's pretty easy
Len: A. He is studious and respectful of the game. Defers to Bob on issues pertaining to player/managerial experience. Cheers without being a ham. Points out flaws without being personally aggressive. Knows the city and its relationship with the Cubs.
Bob: A. Has affable personality and great knowledge of the game and its players. Plays along nicely even in uncomfortable situations, i.e. the Poncharello interview. Is not overbearing with his comments. has sharp wit.
Pat: B+. The voice of the Chicago Cubs for many years now. Calls on long drives can be excruciating. Folksy but not a ham. Plays well with Ronnie.
Ron: A+++. Whomever has anything bad to say about him will be hunted down.
Judd: F. Total and utter failure at every aspect of game calling, score reading, interviewing and being Ron’s “driver.” He’s the Milton Bradley of radio.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
by chilango2 on Jul 14, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Admittedly,
I laugh every time the screamer comes on, because I picture my grandpa wincing and going, “What the hell?”
Of course, that’s not an ideal trait for an announcer to have.
I never thought
I’d beg for Dave Otto.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 14, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
REC'd!
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 14, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't really agree on Ron
He’s a great fan and a great guy… but he’s not a very good broadcaster. And its even more noticeable when Pat isn’t with him.
He’s great if you’re a Cub fan and you don’t mind listening to your own heart on the radio… but don’t make him more than what he really is.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
by Allie on Jul 14, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Tend to agree with
ya on the Ronny front. While I’m not gonna call for the Cubs to can him or anything like that, I would love for them to drop a 3rd guy (read: color guy) into the booth to provide the insight into the game that sometimes Ron lacks. Ideally I would’ve loved them to go out and get the “Stone Pony” (// rolls eyes //) or try and pry Sutcliffe away from the golf course.
Both of those guys seem like guys who would fit well in that booth. Be able to provide the good color on the radio-side that we’ve been lacking, while at the same time playing around and bustin’ Ronny’s hump a little bit. You figure Stone woulda just been perfect at that kinda thing after working with Harry during those latter, “Luis Saladbar”, years.
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by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jul 14, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with that thought, too
A third guy would make a difference. Probably would have to be a former Cub to play off Santo — how about Eric Karros if Sutcliffe wouldn’t want it?
I know Karros was only a Cub for one (special, almost VERY special) season, but he loved his time in Chicago. And, he sounds great on FOX broadcasts.
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Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 14, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
3 man booths are sooo hard
Karros does a pretty good job on Fox but radio and being a 3 man is a different animal… but it could be worth a shot.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
I love Pat
He’s very good… until you get a medium fly ball and he makes you think its going out. :-P
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
AKA, the Pat Hughes Psych
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it's what I use
to get my heart-rate up so I burn more calories while sitting in front of the radio.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 14, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
And, of course, not to be confused with the Judd Sirrott Delay.
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And the batter swi
…
…
…
HOME RUN!
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 14, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
That doesn't surprise
me at all. Pat is a pro. Although I agree with others who have pointed out that he’s gotta work on his “not a home run” call.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jul 14, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
That almost sounds like a Lillyism
I heard Pat do the show by himself once.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 14, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
They are tough, I know
I think Karros has the humility to pull it off by being deferential when needed, yet offering up insight.
I do wonder if they’ve thought about it or even discussed it with Ronnie. It could be a blow to his ego, but it could be presented as maintaining continuity for when he’s not up to road trips.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 14, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
That would be cool
Karros is a good broadcaster, plus he’d probably enjoy being back in Chicago.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
Exactly
I can’t speak to the ego of one Ron Santo, but I just can’t imagine him having a problem with bringing in another former ballplayer to call games with.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jul 14, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Ya hafta remember though
that it would probably be more akin to a 2 1/2 man booth than a 3 man. Pat and Eric or Sut or whover would provide the normal p x p and color and Santo would add his sound effects, grunts and cheers and jump in when he felt compelled. Plus, he could then focus more on counting how many people are in the stands for the always compelling attendance game (if they even still do that).
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jul 14, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Definitely
Really like the Karros option as well. Honestly, I’d be good with just about anyone, as long as they steered clear of Otto. That guy, for me anyway, is best in small doses.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jul 14, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I've got to agree with Allie on this
I’ve posted this on BCB before, but —
Ron should be in the HoF – one of the 10 best 3B’men ever. Battled a lot of adversity in his personal life and seems to handle it very well. By all accounts, a really good person.
In the mid to late 1990’s, he was actually a competent color announcer. But now, all it is are utterances like, “Jeez! GAH! Gee, whiz! Aw, man!” or “YES, SIR!, OH YEAH! C’MON!”
It’s obvious that he does no research whatsoever before games and often doesn’t know how a runner reached, etc.
What I don’t get is, during delays, he speaks articulately and intelligently about baseball and the Cubs; 30 minutes of prep time would enable him to do that during the game, too. Well, that and paying attention.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 14, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agree with Allie on Ron
I love the guy, but find him hard to listen to.
"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill
Allie, Shanghai Badger, DamonBerryhillsMitt,
You will be hunted down by Mexican ninjas from Uzbekistan.
One day I hope to come up with something worthy of this space.
It won't be the
first time.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jul 14, 2009 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
First the Chinese mafia, now this . . . .
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 14, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Well thats new
I finally got the albinos to leave me alone!
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
Oh, Allie
I don’t think that’s politically correct anymore. I believe they like to be called pigmentally challenged.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jul 14, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Haha!
Maybe.. but thats me in the middle and guess what both my best friends are?
Maybe.. but thats me in the middle and guess what both my best friends are?
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
Ha, well then I will defer to you on that one
FTR, I was just joking. Not out to try and offend anyone…
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jul 14, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions
No offense taken
J (the one on the left) calls me her “pigmented dork” and I call her “my clear little friend”.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
humans?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 14, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
they haz a flava?
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 14, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
wouldn't
YOU like to know… I can get a handy-man outfit, if you like…
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 14, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I mute the TV and listen to the radio.
But the other day Ron wasn’t on and I couldn’t face the 5th listening to Dave Otto with Judd. So rather than risk my ears bleeding, I listened to Len and Bob. I really enjoyed them. I too have missed learning from Steve Stone. I could see that I’d learn a lot from Bob as well. I may have to switch over to them more often.
Pat Hughes-A+ Love his descriptions of everything from the weather down to the minutest detail of the uniform. I feel like I’m there.
Ronnie-How do you grade Ronnie? He’s in a class by himself. He can be hard to listen to when they are doing poorly. But then again if they are doing really poorly, you won’t have to because he gets conspicuously quiet. I love him though.
"Fasten your seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
Judd-F
I wish you all could have heard my son’s imitation of him. It was something like “Omygosh, Ron Santo, Omygosh, I can’t believe I’m in the booth with Ron Santo!” He’s so star struck it’s nauseating.
"Fasten your seatbelts"-Pat Hughes
Speaking of announcers...
…how did Keith Moreland do this past weekend? I was out of town most of the time, so I never did really hear any of his broadcasting skillz in action.
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he stuttered a bit
but he definitely got better as the weekend went along.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
With Keith Moreland getting his tryout in the booth
Is Ron Cey up next?
"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill
Cubs movie..
Wasn’t there supposed to be a movie/documentary released on the 2008 Cubs? A film crew apparently followed the daily routines of several players last year.
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse
Yes, there is.
It’s called We Believe. I took a quick look at the site but didn’t notice a release date. Incidentally, I didn’t know that it’s going to be narrated by Gary Sinise. That’s pretty sweet.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jul 14, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Right?
Looking forward to it. BTW, just re-watched the trailer and at the end it says that it’ll be in theaters Summer 2009 (no specific date).
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jul 14, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, and
Ted Lilly will be playing himself. Can you say Oscar??
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by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jul 14, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Continuing with the slightly
off-topic questions; I’m having a hard time remembering. Before the whole “this time it counts” nonsense, home field in the World Series just alternated back and forth between leagues, correct? Or was it based on the better record of the two teams who squared off for the championship?
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jul 14, 2009 2:25 PM CDT reply actions
alternated
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 14, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
That's what I thought
Got into an argument at work this morning and I was starting to question myself.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." ~Alvin Dark
by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jul 14, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Room for improvement
I think both Marmol and Heilman have been D pitchers. Gregg doesn’t deserve a B+; perhaps a B because he’s gotten his act together. These pitchers are the ones who have to be better or more consistently effective to finish the season. Marshall is A out of the bullpen. I can see the logistical issues with using the one lefty out of the pen for long relief and as a LOOGY. I don’t assume Marshall would be as effective in long relief or if forced again into a starting role.
Soriano had a good April, so D it is. Lee had a bad April, so B or B+ is what I think he deserves.
The team’s offense has to play defense, and that complicates things. Assuming the same cast, they should go with defense over offense up the middle including catcher. See how Baker does at 2B. Rest Theriot more in the 2nd half with Blanco. For other field positions go with offense. Immediately after the break the big contract players have to start carrying the team like they should be doing, or there is going to be a problem with handing over playing time to the call-ups. With the same cast, they are going to have to keep everybody on a short leach and not ignore the 1st half. They are also going to have to play better on the road.
They will be scared of being kept on a short leach
"When you're going through hell, keep going." - Winston Churchill
Hope the AL wins tonight.
Then when the Cubs get into the WS, they will have a chance to complete the sweep at home.
"Hey-Hey! Home Run! Attaboy Ronnie!" ~ Jack Brickhouse
Cubs to acquire C Ron Hassey
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
Dang. I was hoping for Jim Sundberg.
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 14, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Hector Villanueva was on my wish list.
"Every player should be accorded the privilege of at least one season with the Chicago Cubs. That's baseball as it should be played - in God's own sunshine. And that's really living." - Alvin Dark
Barry Foote was not willing to waive his no-trade, hence Hassey
$136 million payroll for a .500 style ballclub. Good work Jim.
Nice! Already in uniform too!

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by DamonBerryhillsMitt on Jul 14, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Huh, wha?
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forget it
he’s rolling.
Forget all that other stuff. I gotta believe.
by drewishdrewid on Jul 14, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
EVERYONE TAKE NOTICE
BLou MADE A JOKE – LSA
Take a bow, BLou. You’ve earned it.
Linus: Life is rarely all one way, Charlie Brown. You win some, you lose some. Charlie Brown: Really? Gee, that'd be neat.
by CyberCyclist on Jul 14, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Can somebody help me out?
When the heck is first pitch tonight??
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
When's your O.W.L. report on the Cubs?
Game time is 7 PM. Supposedly. (Pre-game, etc.)
I'm singing, "GO CUBS GO! GO CUBS GO!" -- DrCrawdad on Jun 12, 2009 7:23 AM CDT
Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true! -- Homer J. Simpson
by Shanghai Badger on Jul 14, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions
There's no way it's 7 pm.
It’s gonna be like 7:27 or some crap like that. I can’t find it ANYWHERE.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
And I'm working on my OWLs.
I’m hosting an all-star game party tonight, then going to the midnight showing of HP6. I’ll get it out soon.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
Dan gets a party and Potter
and I get stinky llama barn.
Sigh.
Bright side though: last 4H night!! woohoo (-:
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
Think Fox coverage starts at 7
first pitch probably half an hour after that with intros and Obama and all that.
Nobody who ever gave his best regretted it. -George Halas
I just asked MetaFilter. It knows all.
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
A little harsh on Fukudome
That OPS is still plenty above average for a center-fielder and I’m pretty sure his defense has been better than many of us expected
churchofbaseball.com
OT: Anyone listen to The Score...
In the mornings? Bruce Wolf is filling in for Mully and Hanley, and it is absolutely the most brutal thing I have ever heard; I was literally cringing and had to turn it off. I’d rather listen to a Joe Morgan and Hawk Harrelson morning show over that (serious).
Someday we'll go all the way...
They talked about...
The Arturo Gatti killing, and Wolf said something along the lines of “Well it’s gotta be consolation that his wife acted alone and didn’t have a friend help her, and that she used her purse strap.” Definitely a morning of WTF? from him.
Someday we'll go all the way...
by CubsBullsBears on Jul 14, 2009 5:25 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Heard about 2 minutes this morning
Said no thank you. Listening now talking about Rich Harden, doesn’t Rich understand that you have to be better in a contract year?
Just say no to players named Aaron on the Cubs.
Ha ha ha ha.
I flipped over and heard whomever it was say “Here filing in is Bruce Wolf.” I choked my coffee and changed the station pronto.
if this was still new to me, i wouldn't understand
I think I would rather
beat myself to death with a 3lb sledge
Linus: Life is rarely all one way, Charlie Brown. You win some, you lose some. Charlie Brown: Really? Gee, that'd be neat.
by CyberCyclist on Jul 14, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions
At least it's
DEJESUS!!!
We seem to be close on some grades and no-so-close on others Al.
I tried to give the benefit of the doubt where I could and in retrospect, I may have been overly harsh on some grades and not strict enough on others.
“Upon further reflection”, I’d modify the following grades that I gave yesterday as follows (allowing for extra credit materials to be turned in by some Cubs after grades were submitted ~ and special Lugnut bonus points)
Cubs Midterm Report Card
Pitchers (20+ innings pitched)
Ryan Dempster: C (no change- wasn’t a Lugnut long enough to earn bonus points)
Kevin Gregg: B (no change- a few blown games, but overall, better than I expected)
Angel Guzman: B (no change- a pleasant surprise, bordering on a B+ with Lugnut points)
Rich Harden: C- (no change- a disappointment, bordering on a D+)
Aaron Heilman: C- (no change)
Ted Lilly: A (no change- I’d give Ted an A+ IF he had won the game against the Tigers I saw him pitch in. He had a 3 run lead in the 1st and lost it in his worst outing of the season in 93 degree heat. At least he got to go sit in the shade when he was lifted. We still had to sit in full sun…)
Carlos Marmol: C- (no change- Carlos is the “little girl with the curl”. When he’s good, he’s very, very good. When he’s bad…; would have been a D+ without his Lugnut points)
Sean Marshall: B- (CHANGE: Up to a B. He’s done better than I expected in a swing role AND bonus Lugnut points)
David Patton: Inc. (Who?)
Randy Wells: A- (no change- he’s just short of an A just missing out on his Lugnut points)
Carlos Zambrano: C+ (no change. Your team “Ace” ought to pitch like it and be almost unflappable- and too often, Carlos doesn’t and isn’t. Would have been a C without Lugnut points)
Catchers
Koyie Hill: (was) D+ (upgraded to a Final of C)
-allowing for him being thrust into a role he isn’t really suited for: STARTING catcher. He’s a backup at best…)
Geovany Soto: C- (no change, but a shaky grade. CLose to a D+)
Infielders
Jeff Baker: Inc. (Who?)
Andres Blanco: C+ (no change, but if I were so inclined, it would be a B- for overachieving in a role position)
Mike Fontenot: D (no change- he was going to be our everyday 2nd baseman, remember?)
Jake Fox: B+ (no change- yeah, I know it’s a small sample size, but he’s a Lugnut and I give him extra credit for that…)
Micah Hoffpauir: C (no change- some days better, some days ugh)
Derrek Lee: A- (no change- if not for the bad start at the plate, it’d be an A for sure)
Aaron Miles: F (no change- but the best 1-3 out in MLB)
Aramis Ramirez: A (I know, small sample size, but Rami gets an A in my book for the diving effort that put him on the DL. Talk about giving your all…)
Bobby Scales: C+ (no change- hope we see him back)
Ryan Theriot: C (CHANGE: C+ ~ Lugnut bonus)
Outfielders
Milton Bradley: C- (no change- I waffled between a D+ and C- and I gave him the benefit of the doubt because I believe I’ve seen an honest effort to focus and improve- plus,
Kosuke Fukudome: C- (no change- BIG drop-off after May; would be a D+ if not for his defense)
Sam Fuld: A- (I know, small sample size, but A- for ENERGY)
Reed Johnson: B (no change- that “energy” thing again…)
Alfonso Soriano: D+ (no change, although it easily could be a D)
Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis,
vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque,
Nunc et in saecula saeculorum...
Amen.
meant to also say for Bradley, he has the second highest OPS on the team...
Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis,
vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque,
Nunc et in saecula saeculorum...
Amen.
Cupcakes!
I haz comedy show in August. You come seez it please?: Hot Beans Delivers
by digitalbenjamin on Jul 14, 2009 5:08 PM CDT reply actions
Is that the word you're using to sum up the first half of the Cubs' season?
I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.
I’ve somewhat confirmed that the first pitch will be @ 742 central time. Not that this is a certain, but MetaFilter is pretty trustworthy.
Dan
"The riches of the game are in the thrills, not the money." --Ernie Banks
All of these grading threads are causing me
the most terrible nightmares. You know, the one where you find out your in a class you didn’t know about and that because you never came to class and never handed in work you failed it. Eek.
you forgot to mention that you're late for the final exam but you don't know where it is and you're naked too...
Quia tuum es fatum titulis discidiis,
vexillinis limbis nationalis,
gloriam seriis mundialisque,
Nunc et in saecula saeculorum...
Amen.
I'm almost 40 and long out of school and I still have those occasionally.
It’s almost always a math class.
I've committed to tweeting about the Cubs for the rest of the season. (Does that sound as ridiculous as I think it does?) Anyway, if you're on Twitter, you can follow me here.
Cubs mid-season report card
Patton, Baker, Ramirez, Fuld all get INC
Dempster C
Gregg B-
Guzman B
Harden C
Heilman C
Lilly A
Marmol C
Marshall B
Wells A-
Zambrano C
Hill C
Soto C-
Blanco C+
Fontenot C-
Fox B
Hoffpauir B-
Lee A-
Miles F
Scales B-
Riot B
Bradley C-
Fukudome C-
Johnson B
Soriano C-
If I were Lou, I would keep Soto at AAA until he gets his fat ass in shape. No excuse for coming into Spring training that out of shape.

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